1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Col's We Can Review, presented by Steel. Steel products are 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: available only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Dealers dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: A federal judge has decided to move a corner crossing 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: case in Wyoming from a state court to a federal court, 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: which could have nationwide implications for how we access public lamp. 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: We covered this issue here on Cow's We Can Review, 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: and Sam Longren has published three in depth articles over 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: at the Meat Eater dot com. If you haven't been 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: following the case too closely, here's a quick refresher. In 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: October of last year, four hunters from Missouri were charged 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: with criminal trespass in Wyoming after they used a ladder 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: to travel between two blocks of public land at the 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: point where the blocks touch. This is called corner crossing, 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: and it's often one of the only ways to access 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: huge chunks of public land and Western states, but it's 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: unclear whether the practice is legal because different states and 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: the federal government have reached contradictory conclusions. The hunters in 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: this case were charged with criminal trespass because while in 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: the process of climbing the ladder, they entered the airspace 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: belonging to the landowner of the adjoining blocks of lamp. Now, 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: if you're confused by this, keep in mind that if 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: you were to stand next to private property and inhale, 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: you could be inhaling private air. What's it gonna do? 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: What's it going to back? Can you imagine the infringement 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: of those private property rights? My goodness, somebody better get 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: on top of that. I find it absolutely ridiculous if 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: you cannot tell anyway, This particular criminal case is ongoing, 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: but there's another so okay, stemming from the same incident. 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: In February of this year, the landowner filed a civil 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: suit against the four hunters, seeking restitution for alleged damages. 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: The hunters did not damage property, but the suit alleges 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: they interfered with the landowners right to use, control, and 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: enjoy the property. Now keep in mind the hunters around 36 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: public ground, and this particular person is saying that their 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: use of public ground interfered with his right to use, control, 38 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: and enjoy his own private property. So you can imagine 39 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: the implications of this right. So anyone who's on public 40 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: ground within site borders private ground could be interfering with 41 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: a private property owners right to use, control, and enjoy 42 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: the property. They need to shut down the interstate next 43 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: to my condo. This civil case has now been moved 44 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: to a federal court, and here's where things get interesting. 45 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: There's no guarantee, but a federal court could issue a 46 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: ruling that settles, or at least begins to settle, the 47 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: corner crossing controversy across the West. There is a potential 48 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: for this decision to have a nationwide effect. Dave Williams 49 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: is an attorney and the senior director for Western Wildlife 50 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: at the National Wildlife Federation. He's also appeared on The 51 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: Mediator podcast to discuss the issue. At this point, there 52 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: are no guarantees about the outcome of the case. Wilms 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: Is stressed that this process is only beginning, so don't 54 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: expect a decision anytime soon. He also said that the 55 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: judge could issue a narrow ruling that only affects this 56 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: case without deciding the larger corner crossing issue, but the 57 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: possibility for a broader ruling is still there. If that 58 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: happens and the ruling favors public land users, future hunters 59 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: could be able to access millions of acres of public 60 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: land without worrying about harassment or prosecution. The state trial 61 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: has already begun in the criminal case, and we'll be 62 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: sure to keep you updated as both cases developed. We 63 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: should add a little addendum here and let you know 64 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: that this is not just about hunters accessing public land. 65 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: There's a lot of amazing public land out there that provides, 66 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: on top of clean air, freedom and the American right 67 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: to rome, plenty of opportunities for non hunters and anglers. 68 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: This is an American issue, not just a hunting issue, 69 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: and something we're gonna keep you updated on. This week, 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: We've got turkeys corner crossing and don't build your condo 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: on dead folks. But first, I'm gonna tell you about 72 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: my week. In my week was hot, I visited Tall 73 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: Timbers in between Tallahassee, Florida and Thomasville, Georgia. Tall Timbers 74 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: is a nonprofit not just a catchy name. They also 75 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: have a long history. But I learned about it through 76 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: a friend of mine named Brian Browdrick, who owns and 77 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: operates that archery company Days six and make arrows and 78 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: broadheads and stuff. Real good stuff. Give him look anyway, 79 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: he introduced me to this guy, Bill Palmer, who's the 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: CEO at Tall Timbers. And Bill started talking about fire, 81 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: fire on the landscape, lightning fire, human fire, catastrophic fire. 82 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: Fire that's good for birds, bees, reptiles, bad on ticks. 83 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: He had my attention. So last week I flew down, 84 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: got to meet with a bunch of folks ecologist, biologists, 85 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: and yeah, some folks who just like to light things 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: on fire. We hunted turkeys and burned. Super fun and informative. Fortunately, 87 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: we filmed the whole thing and you can watch it 88 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: all in the future episode of cal in the Field 89 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: only at the meat eat or YouTube channel. But until 90 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: you do think on this, we know that a lot 91 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: of this country was actively burned, either by people who 92 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: were here a long, long long time before us or 93 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: lightning on the landscape. We know this because we can 94 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: look at the old tree stumps and see the fire 95 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: scars on trees. Every two or three years, maybe every 96 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: five of years, there was a fire. Keep in mind, 97 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: not everything was burning at once. Things burned like they 98 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: do today. In an ideal scenario, a mosaic pattern kind 99 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: of like a puzzle laid out and then you pull 100 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of pieces out of it, and those missing 101 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: pieces would be like where there's no fire. Rough approximation 102 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: of a mosaic pattern. And because of this continual pattern 103 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: of burning, the landscape was probably a lot different back then. 104 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: There were a lot fewer ticks, forests were not nearly 105 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: as dense, and there was likely a lot more grass, 106 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: which is great for turkeys. And I can go on 107 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: and on and on about fire, and I'm gonna get 108 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: more into it maybe next week or something. But it's 109 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: very interesting that a lot of places in the West 110 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: have this idea that fire is bad all the time. Obviously, 111 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: if there's a raging fire heading towards your house, you're 112 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: not a big fan of it. But the narrative has 113 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: got to accept that fire has been a natural part 114 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: of the world's process for a long long time. And 115 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: it's only until less folks with the big brains came 116 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: around that we decided we knew better. Oh my god, 117 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: what hire your fire sale? Anyway, Moving on, Turkey season 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: is heating up across the country. Then we have that 119 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: sizzling turkey news you've been craving. First up, a joint 120 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: task force between Mississippi Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks and federal 121 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: law enforcement, perfectly named Operation Longbeard, recently led to a 122 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: rafter of convictions against the largest turkey poaching ring in history. 123 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: In a classic example of pride goes before the fall, 124 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Mississippi hunters Kenneth ray Britt Jr. Tony Smith, Dustin Treadway, 125 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: and Barney Bearfield started bragging in two thousand nineteen about 126 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: the extraordinary success they were having in the field. A 127 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: tipster passed these too good to be ethical claims onto 128 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Mississippi f w P, who secured warrants for an in 129 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: depth investigation. Turns out the group had developed a strategy 130 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: of securing permissions on private ground close by either to 131 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: public land or other private parcels managed specifically for abundant 132 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: turkey populations where they didn't have the right to go. 133 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: They would slip into these off limit spots, take turkeys, 134 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: then go back and take their gripping grants where they 135 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: did have permission. This was not limited to just Mississippi. 136 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: Operation long Beard tracked the ring to Kansas and Nebraska 137 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: as well. Twelve federal charges were also leveled in addition 138 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: to two eighty six charges at the state level, as 139 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the group transported poached birds across state lines in violation 140 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: of the Lacy Act. All in all, the ring will 141 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: pay more than one hundred thousand dollars in fines, as 142 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: well as the loss of hunting privileges for several years. 143 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: I guess it's true what they say, can't soar with 144 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: the eagles if you're surrounded by turkeys. Am I right? 145 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: Next up? Pennsylvania wildlife researchers recently discovered a turkey ham 146 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: still alive and strutting at the ripe old age of 147 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: twelve and a half years for contact. Most turkeys in 148 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: the wild don't live past two or three at the most. 149 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: As part of a wildlife study back in two thousand twelve, 150 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania conservation officer Chris I have a chick that's I 151 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: V I see, I see tagged the bird when she 152 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: was already one and a half. Then, after more than 153 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: a decade of dodging coyotes, SUVs, and freezing winters, the 154 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: same bird was trapped as part of another state turkey 155 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: research project, and that same beat up leg band from 156 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: the original study told the tale. According to Tony Musselman, 157 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: one of the texts on this year's study said quote, 158 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: I would have told you she was a three or 159 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: four year old hand. She looked healthy, she looked great. 160 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: In response, the Turkey hans said, what a gentleman, that 161 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Tony Musselman. Stop at stop at least that's how I 162 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: think Pennsylvania turkey hans talk. Moving on, you likely already 163 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: know that all birds are descended for dinosaur ancestors, but 164 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: according to a study of avian genomes by researchers at 165 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: the University of Kent in England, contemporary chickens and turkeys 166 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: are more closely related to their ancient lizard can than 167 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: any other bird alive today. The Kent researchers found that 168 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: both birds part of the order Galliforms and family Faziana 169 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: day experienced fewer gross genomic changes than other birds as 170 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: they evolved over millions of years. One anatomical clue bearing 171 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: out this genetic relationship between the turkey and the t 172 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: rex is the wishbone, also known as the fercula. A 173 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: big difference between your chest anatomy and that of the 174 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: tyrannosaur and velociraptor is that you have two separate collar bones. 175 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: This sacrifices some structural integrity in exchange for a wider 176 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: range of motion. But in these carnivorous dinosaurs, the fercula 177 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: formed a one piece collar bone with a more rigid 178 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: structure for gripping prey. Over millions of years, that same 179 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: bridge structure elongated and became more flexible to allow birds 180 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: to flap their wings with enough force and spring to 181 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: become airborne. Other birds like the zebra, finch, and kestrel 182 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: kept evolving further away from dinosaurs to become better and 183 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: better flyers, but chickens and turkeys changed more slowly, staying 184 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: on the ground and only flapping shorter distances. So maybe 185 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: this season, after you've called in that big tom and 186 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: are lining up the be to your shotgun on his waddle, 187 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: squint just a bit and imagine you've got a t 188 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: rex in your sights. You wouldn't be too far off. 189 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: Then imagine that wary bird with hardly the cranium space 190 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: for a brain, weighs in at about three tons and 191 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: is using that near three sixty degree vision to hunt 192 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: you or anything else that looks slightly edible and moves. 193 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: Moving on to the legislation desk, a US representative from 194 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: Tennessee introduced to bill this month that would ban and 195 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: so called wildlife killing contests on all public land in 196 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the United States. The bill, creatively titled the Prohibit Wildlife 197 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: Killing Contests Act of two thousand twenty two, was introduced 198 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 1: by Tennessee reped Stephen Cohen along with fifteen co sponsors. 199 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: It's also being promoted by a who's who of animal 200 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: rights groups, including the Center for Biological Diversity, the Humane Society, 201 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and Project Coyote. It's time for us to end the 202 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: mass slaughter contests of America's wild carnivores once and for all, 203 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: said Stephanie Curos, a senior policy specialist at the Center 204 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: for Biological Diversity. The senseless killing of our most persecuted 205 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: wildlife on public lands should have never been allowed. Congress 206 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: should pass this legislation quickly so we can finally spare 207 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: our get ready, this my favorite part, native animals from 208 00:12:50,080 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: these ruthless kill fests. Ruthless kill fests. Now, kill fast 209 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: is a great word, but ruthless has always confused me. 210 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: So I figured I would get ahold of our good 211 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: friend at Webster's Dictionary and help us all out. Ruthless 212 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: can be defined as without ruth or having no ruth. 213 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: The noun ruth are u t h means compassion for 214 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: the misery of another, sorrow for one's own faults, or remorse. 215 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: And just as it is possible for one to be 216 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: without ruth, it is also possible to be full of 217 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: ruth ruth full, meaning full of ruth or tinder. Ruthful 218 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: can also mean full of sorrow or causing sorrow. Ruth 219 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: can be traced back to the Middle English noun are 220 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: u t h itself from run, meaning to rue or 221 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: to feel, regret, remorse, or sorrow. Now you're welcome, no no, no, no, 222 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: no needs thank me, ruthless, ruthful. Now that we're all 223 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: on the same page, back to the topic of kill fests, 224 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: it's worth noting that not every kind of native animal 225 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: made the cut. If you read the bill, you'll notice 226 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: that it makes an exception for ungulus, turkeys, ducks, fish, shellfish, 227 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: and crustaceans. Representative Cohen and the Center for Biological Diversity 228 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: haven't explained why these animals aren't worthy of protection from 229 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: hunting contests. Of course, despite its name, the bill isn't 230 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: designed to protect all wildlife. It's designed to target predator 231 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: hunting contests for species like coyotes and bobcats. These competitions 232 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: take a variety of forms, but most give winning prizes 233 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: to the participants who bring back the greatest number of 234 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: animals or the heaviest individual. Supporters of these contests argue 235 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: that they help control predator populations that prey on livestock, 236 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: harm agriculture, and sometimes attack people. These contests do not 237 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: represent a population level threat to any target species, and 238 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: some are even promoted by wildlife management agencies. Representative Cohen 239 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: and his allies argue that predator hunting contests do not 240 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: accomplish any of these aims. Based on this claim, they 241 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: make the case that these contests have no legitimate purpose 242 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: and therefore break the principles set forth in the North 243 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: American Wildlife conservation Model. I won't spend much time diving 244 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: into this topic, but I am always amused when animal 245 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: rights groups take to contradictory positions at the same time. 246 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: In this case, they argue both that predator contests present 247 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: a threat to the environment and that these events have 248 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: no impact whatsoever. If these events help control populations, they 249 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: have a legitimate purpose. Under the North American Wildlife conservation model, 250 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: if they pose no threat to target populations, why are 251 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: animal rights groups so up in arms. Some try to 252 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: square this circle by arguing that we should ban predator 253 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: contests because it makes hunters look bad. While I appreciate 254 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: that animal rights groups are concerned about the perception of 255 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: hunters among the general public, I can't say I'm eager 256 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: to take pr advice from Peter. This is a national bill, 257 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: but similar bills have been considered in state legislatures across 258 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: the country. Eight states Arizona, California, New Mexico, Vermont, Massachusetts, Colorado, 259 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: and Washington already band predator hunting contests. New Jersey and 260 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: New York are considering similar bands right now. So this 261 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: is one issue to keep track of in your state capital. 262 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with your duly 263 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: elected about the pending federal legislation, the bill number is 264 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: HR seven three night. While you're at it, you can 265 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: also contact your U S senators about Utah Senator Mike 266 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: Lee's new bill, the Houses Act. We covered this bill 267 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: in episode one fifty two, but now it's been formally introduced. 268 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: The bill would make it easier for the federal government 269 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: to sell public land to state and local governments on 270 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: the cheap. The legislation is being sold as a way 271 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: to address the housing shortage, but I'm skeptical it will 272 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: do anything of the kind, and not just because Senator 273 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Mike Lee has a very clear record of wanting the 274 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: United States to get rid of public land. I'm also 275 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: skeptical that there's gonna be anything affordable about these houses. Now. 276 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: From a real estate perspective, I'll tell you this, If 277 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: every so often a bunch of folks rally and try 278 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: to get Congress to make it so somebody can buy 279 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: your land, that's land that you don't want to sell, 280 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: because it's just gonna get more and more valuable. I'm talking, 281 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: of course, about our public lands. Every so often, a 282 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: bunch of ye who's get together and try to figure 283 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: out ways that they can steal it from us. That's 284 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: because it's incredibly valuable and we shouldn't be selling it. 285 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: It's an incredible gift. To protect it. Tell Mike Lee 286 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: where to shove it. Speaking of houses, the U. S. 287 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: House of Representatives is considering a bill that would prohibit 288 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: the Department of Interior from entering into ease months lasting 289 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: more than fifty years. Permanent ease months on private land 290 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: are one of the most effective ways hunters and conservationists 291 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: have been able to protect critical wildlife habitat. These ease 292 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: months are always voluntary on the part of the landowner, 293 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: but they help make sure land that is protected today 294 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: stays protected for future generations. This bill would jeopardize this 295 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: critical conservation tool. Call your representatives today and tell them 296 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: how you feel about the land Owner Easemant Rights Act. 297 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: One more piece of federal policy news for you, The 298 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled five four last week to temporarily reinstate 299 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: a Trump error rule that limited a state or tribes 300 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: ability to veto development projects based on clean water concerns. 301 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: Rule prevented these entities from blocking projects for any reason 302 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: other than threat of direct pollution into the state's waterways, 303 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: and gave states and tribes only one year to act. 304 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: The rule had been struck down by a federal district court, 305 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: but the Supreme courts later decision reinstates it, and we 306 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: don't know why. Moving on to the city desk, the 307 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: City of Pittsburgh is asking residents to complete a survey 308 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: on their experiences with urban wildlife. The responses will be 309 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: used by a graduate student at Duquesne University to develop 310 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: a guide book to support city residents in their interactions 311 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: with wild animals. The survey asked residents to rate from 312 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: intensely dislike to enjoy very much how much they appreciate 313 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: seeing each kind of animal within city limits. Raccoons, deer, coyotes, skunks, snakes, crows, 314 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: and several other species make the list. The survey also 315 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: asked about whether residents have pets, whether they feed wild animals, 316 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: whether they feel safe, and whether they've trapped or killed 317 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: any animals on their property. The data hasn't been released yet, 318 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: but this survey is guaranteed to be very entertaining. It 319 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: also supposedly demonstrates that city folks are often just is 320 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: concerned about wildlife as wural people. Sometimes wild animals cause 321 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: even more trouble in an urban environment. We've covered on 322 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: this podcast, for example, how wild turkeys damage property and 323 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: attack postal workers. White tail cause over a million car 324 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: accidents every year, and the frequency of kyote attacks on 325 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: humans is increasing. That's just the mundane stuff. We aren't 326 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: even talking about escape zebras or the entire state of Texas, 327 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: but don't think that city residents always want to get 328 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: rid of their wild neighbors. Many, like Seattle University professor 329 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Mark Jordan's, think we should be working towards coexistence rather 330 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: than eradication. Treating every non human living organism in the 331 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: city like a nuisance is fighting an uphill battle. It 332 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: does not behoove you to try to eradicate all the 333 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: animals in the city. You'll never win. You need to 334 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: find better ways to coexist with them. Partly due to 335 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: that more welcoming attitude, more animals are living in city 336 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: centers than ever before. This gives residents a chance to 337 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: see and interact with wildlife without having to leave the city. 338 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: It could also offer residents hunting opportunities they've never had. 339 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: Meat eaters Mark Kenyon just published a super interesting article 340 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: on the meat eater dot com that chronicles his experience 341 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: hunting white tail in a ritzy neighborhood near Washington, d C. 342 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: Virginia allows archery hunting in certain urban areas, and he 343 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: got connected with a veteran hunter, Taylor Chamberlain, to show 344 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: him the ropes. Mark had to dodge hostile neighbors and 345 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: noisy landscapers, but he saw quite a few deer, including 346 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: several mature bucks. He got a shot off at a dough, 347 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: but she ran into a neighboring yard. When he asked 348 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: permission to recover the animal, the neighbor called the cops. 349 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: It sounds like she wanted the venison all to herself. 350 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: Moving on to the real estate desk on a property 351 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: slated to become an ultra luxury condo high rise in Miami, 352 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: prehistoric artific acts, including human remains, have been discovered, bringing 353 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: the multibillion dollar project to a standstill. News outlets have 354 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: been calling the fine quote unquote prehistoric, as they could 355 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: date to about two thousand years ago before any surviving records. 356 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: But we actually know quite a bit about the people 357 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: who left these artifacts that to quest of People, because 358 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: in fifteen forty nine, a thirteen year old Spanish boy 359 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: named Hernando de Esta was shipwrecked off the coast of 360 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: Florida and captured by the indigenous people there. He lived 361 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: among them for seventeen years, learned their languages, and wrote 362 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: a book about his experience. It is no accident that 363 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: both the Questa and the real estate developers were drawn 364 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: to this part of Miami. It's right where the Miami 365 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: River flows into Biscayne Bay. Today that makes for a 366 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: nice view, but back then it meant groceries. According to 367 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: Fontanada that the Questa consumed large volumes of seafood, seals, whales, turtles, lobster, porpoises, 368 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: sail fish, sting rays, and sharks and you guessed it, manatees. 369 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: Many to quest archaeological sites also contained large quantities of 370 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: deer bones, so you know their cuisine was likely right 371 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: up my alley. According to our contacts in the Miami 372 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: real estate market, the two things every developer dreads discovering 373 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: on a site are quote bald eagleness and Native American bones. 374 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: Anyone wanting to excavate a site in the city's historic 375 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: District is required to employ an archaeological consultant to determine 376 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: whether artifacts are present. The developer of this Brickle site, 377 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: the Related Group, issued a statement saying that the archaeological 378 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 1: find is quote not unusual for construction projects in this 379 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: area and has not delayed our development plans. Isn't that nice? 380 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: Despite the pr speak, this site is directly adjacent to 381 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: the location of a famous Miami real estate debacle remains 382 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: of a tequest to settlement were discovered just as a 383 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: developer was about to bring ground, and after a public outcry, 384 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: a plan to move the settlement was scuttled along with 385 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: the building project itself. But don't cry too much for 386 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: that developer. After buying the property for eight and a 387 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: half million dollars, he managed to sell it to the 388 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: state of Florida for twenty six point seven million, which, 389 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: unfortunately just proves that horrific line about real estate, which is, 390 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: if there's blood in the streets, by real estate. That's 391 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: all I've got for you this week. Thank you so 392 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: much for listening. Remember to let me know what's going 393 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: on in your neck of the woods by writing in 394 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: to a s k C. A L. That's asked cal 395 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: at the Meat Eater dot com. Now that spring has sprung, 396 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: don't let those neighbors get over the top of you. 397 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: You know you gotta keep up with them. Jones's hustle 398 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: down to the nearest steel dealer near you by going 399 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: to www dot steel Dealers dot com. They'll get you 400 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: set up with the leafblower, chainsaw, weed whacker, or anything 401 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: else you need to defend your property from nosy neighbors. 402 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: Most importantly, I'll get you set up with what you 403 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: need and they won't send you home with what you don't. 404 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: Thanks again, and i'll talk to you next week.