Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April fourth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hours brought to you by the Saint John's
Speaker 1: River Water Management District, now streaming the errors tour JP's version.
Speaker 2: J P Chackrack and welcome in. It's Jaguars halfy Hour,
Speaker 2: brought to you by the Saint John's River Water Management District,
Speaker 2: Florida's water it's worth saving and a busy hour ahead.
Speaker 2: We're three weeks to the NFL Draft, so we'll hear
Speaker 2: from Trevor Sikkhima, pro football focused NFL draft analysts, get
Speaker 2: his thoughts on a couple of position groups that could
Speaker 2: be in play for the Jaguars, cornerback and wide receiver.
Speaker 2: See what he has to say about that. The offseason
Speaker 2: program right around the corner as well. That's a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks, so ten days away or so eleven days,
Speaker 2: the fifteenth, whatever. Today is the fourth. He just said it.
Speaker 2: Joe just said it. It's the fourth. It's Thursday. Either way,
Speaker 2: that's coming up. We'll get to that. We'll keep it
Speaker 2: real as we always do. And microsoft questions from social media.
Speaker 2: That all is coming up on tenon XLAM Jaguars dot
Speaker 2: Com and Jaguars YouTube. JP Shadwick with Jeff Logoman from
Speaker 2: the Miller Electric Center the Hyundai Studios. Good afternoon, afternoon,
Speaker 2: How the heck are you. I'm doing great. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: first of all, the weather today is fantastic. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been the last couple of days, went raining, right and
Speaker 2: then go a little rain. But I mean it's a
Speaker 2: little nice and little chill in the air, a little breezy.
Speaker 2: This is kind of the last chill, right. Not a
Speaker 2: good day for fishing, but it's a good day to
Speaker 2: be outside. Well, we're in the day for football. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say today we're a football day. I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be like, oh man, it's perfect. Let's go. Hey,
Speaker 2: this is the last kind of chill. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: warm from here on. You think, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: We usually have a little bit of a one more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the rest of the month of April, we'll
Speaker 2: have some cool weather. Come on, JP, I'm not ready
Speaker 2: for summer yet. I'm not. I'm just I would I'm
Speaker 2: asking somebody who would know. I know you're excited about
Speaker 2: getting the the OTA stuff started. Yeah, okay, let's let's
Speaker 2: just calm it down. By the way the Chargers already
Speaker 2: started because they have a new head coach, right, And
Speaker 2: it was kind of funny listening to Jim Harbaugh speak,
Speaker 2: did you see any Everything's great, they're the best, The
Speaker 2: team's doing great. It's the best attitude I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: What else is he supposed to say? What else do
Speaker 2: you expect him to say? These guys stinks. It's just
Speaker 2: there's a reason I'm here. It's just funny. And the
Speaker 2: same thing in Washington. You know, it's the hope that
Speaker 2: you have with a new staff and and some new players.
Speaker 2: You know how many times we've heard that around here
Speaker 2: over the years. I know, I know what six head
Speaker 2: coaches in the last twelve years. Look, look, I'm happy
Speaker 2: with Doug Peterson, don't wrong. And I'm happy with the
Speaker 2: direction of this organization. I mean it's it's good. Just
Speaker 2: need to get better. But in years past there, you know,
Speaker 2: we'd have a change in the organization and we're like, yes,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get better, and then it wouldn't happen. It
Speaker 2: can always be worse, but you know, you can always hope.
Speaker 2: Spring is eternal. I guess, yeah, a good spot right now? Right,
Speaker 2: I mean back to back now, But I'm excited about
Speaker 2: the Ota is getting started soon. Quite ready for him
Speaker 2: to start yet, but you know, I'm excited about it
Speaker 2: for a couple of different reasons. One to see some
Speaker 2: action on the field, to see some of the new players.
Speaker 2: But then I always like it once the draft class
Speaker 2: comes in because then you get an idea of what
Speaker 2: this team, what their personality may be, what their characteristics
Speaker 2: may be. That's when you get a feel. And also
Speaker 2: you can get a feel as to Okay, now we
Speaker 2: still have a couple holes. What do we have to
Speaker 2: address in what I call the late free agent period
Speaker 2: Because there's plenty of opportunities for teams to get better
Speaker 2: once once you get past the draft, and some teams
Speaker 2: need to get better past the draft. The good teams
Speaker 2: sometimes wait until after the draft. Take a look at
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. They don't participate a ton in free
Speaker 2: agency at the onset, but they like to do it
Speaker 2: after the draft and into June because it helps with
Speaker 2: their compensatory pick formula. So they're one of the good
Speaker 2: teams at that. You also pick players right the first
Speaker 2: time in the draft too, that helps. That's what makes
Speaker 2: them good, right They pick good players, they develop them,
Speaker 2: and they lose them, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: they get a return on their investment, their initial investment
Speaker 2: because they're losing good players are getting get paid out.
Speaker 2: Did you see their compensatory formula for the year coming
Speaker 2: up in twenty twenty five? Lot of picks, it's really good,
Speaker 2: and this team right here grabbed a couple of them.
Speaker 2: That's helping their compensatory package.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: One position group that the Jags won't have to change
Speaker 2: anytime soon, as middle linebacker fo Yer looking good with
Speaker 2: the the extension four years, forty five million dollars reportedly
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million fully guaranteed at signing.
Speaker 2: He led the league in tackles, of course, in twenty
Speaker 2: one and twenty two, finished fourth last season in total
Speaker 2: tackles in the NFL. And you like this movie, I
Speaker 2: like it. I don't like it. I love it. Why
Speaker 2: Because he's a really good football player. He's always available,
Speaker 2: he's tough, he's dependable, he plays hard every snap. And
Speaker 2: if you look at his film, you can watch plays
Speaker 2: one through ten and then watch plays seventy through eighty,
Speaker 2: and they look the same, speed wise, effort wise, everything
Speaker 2: and trust me. There were some games where he had
Speaker 2: eighty snaps. And I'm not joking when I say that
Speaker 2: the first ten looked as good as are the last
Speaker 2: ten looked as good as the first ten. That's how
Speaker 2: good of a player he is now. I think there
Speaker 2: was some hope with the draft pick last year out
Speaker 2: of Florida Ventre Miller benre Miller, that may be a
Speaker 2: Ventro Miller could supplant a Foyer Lucan in the future
Speaker 2: and you would maybe have to expend a capital amount
Speaker 2: to keep an inside linebacker shot. Nobody's taken Foyer's job.
Speaker 2: Man's a stud, stud and he's a leader. That's the
Speaker 2: best part about it. Love the way he steps in
Speaker 2: front of the huddle, loves the way he holds guy's accountable.
Speaker 2: We're showing on jaguars dot Com and JAG's YouTube some
Speaker 2: of the highlights of Luca and I forgot about the
Speaker 2: pick six against the Saints, first ever touchdown in the ashell.
Speaker 2: It was great play, awesome. So yeah, he's all over
Speaker 2: the place and he'll be here for a while to come, sir.
Speaker 2: He's an every down linebacker and he fills every stat
Speaker 2: every category that there is okay, interceptions, sacks, tackles, of course,
Speaker 2: he fills that one for enough for two guys cause
Speaker 2: fumbles recovered, fumbles, tackles for losses. He fills every category
Speaker 2: that there is on the defensive sheet. And remember, I
Speaker 2: mean he's spent a season putting other people in the
Speaker 2: right place around it as well, and still do it.
Speaker 2: And you're talking about two years ago when Devin Lloyd
Speaker 2: was a rookie and he was having to get Devin
Speaker 2: lined up a little bit. And then this past year,
Speaker 2: Devon was doing a good job of handling that himself.
Speaker 2: And I thought, you saw the improved play by Foyer.
Speaker 2: Because I don't want to use this term, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to use it. He didn't have to babysit, yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's it's the only term that I can think
Speaker 2: of comes at the top of my mind, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to use it. But okay, and fortunately Devin
Speaker 2: grew up. Devin figured it out you're two of the system,
Speaker 2: and was handling it himself. And I expect that Devin
Speaker 2: starts to maybe tutor others or mentor others in the future.
Speaker 2: Now the trick is, with the system changing some does
Speaker 2: everybody adjust the same way. You know, that's something to
Speaker 2: worry about, right. I mean, Foyer is a student of
Speaker 2: the game, works hard at it, studies his playbook. Highly
Speaker 2: intelligent football player and not just a highly intelligent football player.
Speaker 2: He's he has instincts, football instincts, football intelligence, which goes
Speaker 2: above okay, looking at a sheet and being able to
Speaker 2: fill out a multiple choice or a fill in the
Speaker 2: blank test on a game plan. A guy, he's some
Speaker 2: guys just know and anticipate. When you watch Foyer play,
Speaker 2: he's always when you watch his reaction time to where
Speaker 2: the to what the play is actually gonna be, he's
Speaker 2: at least a half a step to a full step
Speaker 2: ahead of most people because he studies the game and
Speaker 2: he's got great instincts. Join us Tuesday, April sixteenth, from
Speaker 2: six point thirty to eight thirty pm at EverBank Stadium
Speaker 2: for the be Inspired by Jaggs Jobs. Event is presented
Speaker 2: by the Florida Lottery. Register now at Jaguars dot com,
Speaker 2: slash Bright Futures or on tentonexlam, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube,
Speaker 2: JP Shadwick, Jeff Logoman. We'll hear from every second of
Speaker 2: a pro football focus in less than ten minutes about
Speaker 2: where there might be some value at number seventeen. Overall
Speaker 2: three weeks to the draft logs, and I know, in
Speaker 2: the weeks leading up to the draft you start really
Speaker 2: grinding on this prospect tape. This is your time of
Speaker 2: year to get into these key position groups, certainly the
Speaker 2: ones that Jaguars could be after, but you really love
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks too, right, Yeah, when You're saying that this
Speaker 2: is the time of year that I'll be sitting there
Speaker 2: watching the film of these college prospects, okay with my
Speaker 2: with my Microsoft surface and you know, great sponsors. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, forty five minutes an hour into it,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's hit me in my nose, you know,
Speaker 2: because you know it's at night. You know, you're tired,
Speaker 2: You're trying to watch you know, four or five guys,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're sitting there and you're
Speaker 2: laying back on the couch and you're kind of holding it,
Speaker 2: you know, on your chest, and and all of a sudden, damn,
Speaker 2: something hit you. Waking up and you're like, oh, whoa wait,
Speaker 2: I fell asleep. But no, I enjoy watching I've been
Speaker 2: watching the quarterbacks and the quarterbacks I think I have
Speaker 2: a big impact on what will be available to the
Speaker 2: Jaguars at seventeen. And that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I've been watching him. Because of the potential for five
Speaker 2: quarterbacks to go before the Jaguars pick. It's pretty amazing, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't happen too often, even when there
Speaker 2: are really good quarterback classes. Sometimes it spreads out enough
Speaker 2: where there aren't that many in the first half of
Speaker 2: a first round. But who are a few yet your
Speaker 2: eyes on this week? I mean, obviously, Caleb Williams is
Speaker 2: the guy, former Heisman winner out of southern California, so
Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying, a lot of the
Speaker 2: pundits think he's going to be the number one overall
Speaker 2: pick to the Chicago Bears. So what stands out about
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams in the film that you've seen. He is
Speaker 2: so smooth. I mean when I say smooth, he's so athletic,
Speaker 2: and he is a total Joe cool, never gets flush, start,
Speaker 2: never panics, is super athletic to escape from something and
Speaker 2: then create something. And it's fun to watch a talented arm,
Speaker 2: live arm, accurate arm put all that together and then
Speaker 2: you have a generational player, fantastic player. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is probably I think one of the best quarterbacks since
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence to come out. And he's got it all.
Speaker 2: He's got it all. I love it. And what I
Speaker 2: think impresses me the most is what he does when
Speaker 2: the plays break down. So there's a lot of quarterbacks
Speaker 2: and in the NFL, you've got to survive in a system. Okay,
Speaker 2: but the exceptional ones. Take a look at Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: in Kansas City. The exceptional ones and I hate to
Speaker 2: use this term, but I'm gonna use it. Play above
Speaker 2: the x's and o's, and it's when things become off
Speaker 2: the written or off schedule plays and now the player
Speaker 2: has to create something on his own. And that's where
Speaker 2: Caleb Caleb Williams really really shot. It's because he's so
Speaker 2: athletic and then the arm talent from any position is
Speaker 2: there all the time. About the off the field stuff,
Speaker 2: there's some critics of him and his personality away from
Speaker 2: the game, and how does that trans what it's the
Speaker 2: criticism tell me that some of it. You know, there
Speaker 2: was a moment last year where he came off the
Speaker 2: field was went to crying with his mom was there
Speaker 2: in the front row. I remember Pete prisco on half
Speaker 2: the hour of the week after it was all over him,
Speaker 2: partly because Bisselli was here. But there's some of that, right,
Speaker 2: What do you make of that? Can can? Is that
Speaker 2: overblown because there's so much attention put on him because
Speaker 2: many people expected him to be the first overall pick,
Speaker 2: whether it bean last year or this year. So there's
Speaker 2: so much attention on him as a player because of that.
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it the microscope effect? Maybe? But you know,
Speaker 2: I think you're always going to find a flall with
Speaker 2: somebody if you look hard and long enough. But I
Speaker 2: think for the most part, this is an exceptional football player,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are maybe turned off because, Okay,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to go visit all the teams and
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to do stuff at the combine. I
Speaker 2: don't blame him one bit. I mean, he's he's the
Speaker 2: first overall pick, hands down. Does he need to go
Speaker 2: through all those hoops to be able to make people
Speaker 2: satisfied across the board? I'm okay with him not doing
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. Yeah, I mean, turn on the film, Okay,
Speaker 2: look at the class guy that he's been so far.
Speaker 2: Go watch the UCLA game from two seasons ago at
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl. It is unbelievable. I'm backing forth up
Speaker 2: and down the field, him and Dorian Timeson Robinson back
Speaker 2: and forth all game long. It was Okay, since we're
Speaker 2: talking about games, Okay, I'm going to go to another
Speaker 2: quarterback because he's on my list and he's not really
Speaker 2: I want to say he's in the top three, but
Speaker 2: I have him on this list to talk about today
Speaker 2: because this is a guy that could sneak in somewhere
Speaker 2: into the first round and maybe even before the Jaguars pick.
Speaker 2: Who Michael Pennix. And the reason I bring him up
Speaker 2: now is because you talk about Caleb Williams against you
Speaker 2: CLA two years ago. Did you watch Michael Pennix against Texas?
Speaker 2: Was fantastic? Holy cow, the deep balls that he threw.
Speaker 2: And what I love about him is that, I mean
Speaker 2: super live arm. Him and Drake May I think have
Speaker 2: exceptional arms. And I think that's what makes those two
Speaker 2: guys the second and third best quarterbacks I think in
Speaker 2: this draft. But Pennix has the size, he's athletic, he
Speaker 2: has exceptional deep exceptional exceptional live arm with deep ball ability.
Speaker 2: I like him, and I know that there are some
Speaker 2: concerns about him injury wise, and that's natural. But this
Speaker 2: is a guy that if all of a sudden, he
Speaker 2: ends up slipping up in front of the jack Wars
Speaker 2: and some of the other quarterbacks go as expected Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, if all of a sudden, all those guys
Speaker 2: go up ahead of the Jaguars as well, the Jaguars
Speaker 2: are going to have a lot to pick from that
Speaker 2: they really like. And it's not going to be an
Speaker 2: easy decision because a lot of players are going to
Speaker 2: get pushed back because the quarterbacks that are in the
Speaker 2: top of the draft. Let's get one more quarterback in
Speaker 2: you've been watching, and it's from Chapel Hill and from
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Drake May. Yeah big. I mean, he's got
Speaker 2: all the measurables right, six ' four, two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty pounds, got an arm that is lights out, and
Speaker 2: what I like about him, does a really good ball
Speaker 2: job of getting the ball out faster than like a
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. You know, as far as reading reacting Caleb.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason why he takes a little bit
Speaker 2: longer to get the ball out on average. Also is
Speaker 2: because he extends the play and uses his athleticism. But
Speaker 2: May does a good job of really staying within the
Speaker 2: structure of the scheme and getting the ball out reading defenses.
Speaker 2: Now there are times that he has a miss, but
Speaker 2: it's not because of a flawed footwork or flawed arm
Speaker 2: or any of that nature. If Caleb Williams is not
Speaker 2: in this draft, Drake May is the hands down top
Speaker 2: of the class, first overall pick, and it's not even
Speaker 2: a debate because he's that talented of a quarterback. I
Speaker 2: want to end on this question here. You mentioned Caleb
Speaker 2: Williams is a generational prospect or could be, I believe,
Speaker 2: so how many times how many generational players can you
Speaker 2: actually have in one generation? I feel like it's an
Speaker 2: overused terms. Trevor was the one, right, that's only like
Speaker 2: four years ago. If we go back and say, okay,
Speaker 2: would generational quarterbacks okay and use of that label. I
Speaker 2: used it on Caleb Williams, I've used it on Trevor
Speaker 2: Lawrence and I've used it and then it's just me personally.
Speaker 2: I don't know if other people have you that are
Speaker 2: not Patrick Mahomes just because of and I said this
Speaker 2: a few years ago, I said, he's the greatest quarterback
Speaker 2: I ever watched film on. I remember that, and I
Speaker 2: think that those three guys in recent time, Now, how
Speaker 2: can you have three in one generation? Understand your you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, understand your totally. I think it's
Speaker 2: an overused term. I think there's a way to say it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know what that term would be. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's the point is that you think he is
Speaker 2: up here with those caliber plays. I believe he is,
Speaker 2: and but yeah, I mean, I think it's a better
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you asked a question because it kind
Speaker 2: of clarifies what my definition of a generational talent would be.
Speaker 2: And so by giving people those ideas, Peyton manning generational
Speaker 2: talent when he was coming out. I wasn't a big
Speaker 2: fan of Ryan Leaf, you know. I mean, let's go
Speaker 2: back to the early eighties, right, Marino and Elway were
Speaker 2: in the same draft. Well, many people didn't view Dan
Speaker 2: Reno as a generational talent, and he slid because they
Speaker 2: thought the marijuana stuff or whatever. He slid down the draft.
Speaker 2: John Elway, there was a little bit of question him
Speaker 2: about his commitment to football with baseball sitting out there,
Speaker 2: so a lot of people didn't view him as that,
Speaker 2: but he was the pick and he was yeah, and
Speaker 2: turned out turned out to be a Federational Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame player, Hall of Fame player Jim Kelly, many people
Speaker 2: viewed as a one of those types, one of those
Speaker 2: great players. But it's a good that you asked that
Speaker 2: question and you bring that up, because I think it
Speaker 2: clarifies that it's not necessarily once per generation. It's probably
Speaker 2: more it's another upper category. These are the top of
Speaker 2: this tworeation exactly back in the moment, plenty more ahead semantics,
Speaker 2: I guess at this point. Yeah, but that's a big
Speaker 2: that makes a big, big difference. I think if you
Speaker 2: far as definitions go back, we've got to invent a
Speaker 2: new name or a new term or new category. JP.
Speaker 2: It's up to me and you. We've got forty one
Speaker 2: minutes to figure out. The masters of the English language.
Speaker 2: Can we figure this out within forty five minutes, We're
Speaker 2: about to find out. Jaguars Happy Hour brought to you
Speaker 2: by the Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water.
Speaker 2: It's worth saving Jaguars Happy Hour brought to you by
Speaker 2: the Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water It's
Speaker 2: worth saving, JP Shadrick, Jeff Logman. Glad you're with us
Speaker 2: on this Thursday. It's April fourth. We are three weeks
Speaker 2: of the NFL draft and music lives here. Just announce
Speaker 2: shows that Daily's Place include Stone Temple, Pilots Live, Lindsey Sterling,
Speaker 2: Two Door Cinema Club, Slightly Stupid, that's your favorite Logs
Speaker 2: I like them, the Dirty Heads, and more. And get
Speaker 2: your tickets at Dailiesplace dot com or call six three
Speaker 2: three two thousand and learn about vip seating. We're on Tintonexlam,
Speaker 2: Jaguars dot com and Jaguars YouTube. What's that look for
Speaker 2: dip V? You said, d V I very very important
Speaker 2: for people. Yeah, I thought you were a little confused there.
Speaker 2: I was like, hmm, it's possibly coming up with a
Speaker 2: new term the proceeding. We've got to figure out a
Speaker 2: new term for generational. So I figured we get started, right,
Speaker 2: what do we you know, how do we figure this
Speaker 2: out the next what thirty eight seven? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but we're going to work on it. Generational we're going
Speaker 2: to work on it. Quarterback of a decade every I mean,
Speaker 2: how do you do that? What's the just the definition
Speaker 2: of a generation twenty years? I don't know it twenty
Speaker 2: or is it third twenty five? I don't know. That's
Speaker 2: first of all, we've we got to find generational Yeah,
Speaker 2: well let's take a few minutes and we'll work behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. When we hear from Trevor six, we'll let
Speaker 2: Joe figure that out. Yeah, our crack research staff. Yes,
Speaker 2: three weeks to the draft, and it's of course a
Speaker 2: busy time for everyone in the pre draft process, but
Speaker 2: certainly those at Pro Football Focus and NFL Draft analyst
Speaker 2: Trevor Sikhim earlier today caught up with him and discuss
Speaker 2: the Jaguars at number seventeen and the possibilities of a
Speaker 2: why receiver or a top tier cornerback in the first round.
Speaker 3: Those are three receiving corps now that the Jaggers have
Speaker 3: to go up against twice a year.
Speaker 2: That is tough.
Speaker 3: I mean, as deep as talented, and like you said,
Speaker 3: it puts a little bit more pressure on them potentially
Speaker 3: going corner in the first round at number seventeen. Overall,
Speaker 3: maybe they feel aggressive enough to maybe move up and
Speaker 3: go get the top CBCB one in this draft, because
Speaker 3: it feels like it's hard to believe that no corner
Speaker 3: would go before number seventeen. But I again, any of these
Speaker 3: guys would be on the board for them to play
Speaker 3: opposite Tyson Campbell. I like Quinion Mitchell a lot from Toledo.
Speaker 3: I think that he's probably gonna be the first cornerback
Speaker 3: off the board. It's just hard to not look at
Speaker 3: what he has done over the last two years and
Speaker 3: feel like there was something that he left on the
Speaker 3: table or that there was a box that was unchecked.
Speaker 3: He's got good size, he's got incredible speed. He saw
Speaker 3: him in off coverage rolls over the last two years
Speaker 3: elite PFF grades in coverage, which is extremely impressive. Had
Speaker 3: the most forced incompletions of any cornerback in college football
Speaker 3: over the last two years, a handful of interceptions as well,
Speaker 3: with good ball skills. The really the only question with
Speaker 3: him was, hey, can you play him in press? Can
Speaker 3: you play him in man? Because he was a big
Speaker 3: off coverage defender at Toledowen. You know, I think that
Speaker 3: they did a really good job of the senior bowl
Speaker 3: of saying, Okay, we've seen you play off coverage a lot,
Speaker 3: now come in and what do you like in press?
Speaker 3: And they lined him in press.
Speaker 2: And what did he do well?
Speaker 3: He basically just shut down every receiver that he went
Speaker 3: up again, so checks all those boxes. I think he'd
Speaker 3: be phenomenal choice for Jacksonville if they have the opportunity
Speaker 3: to take them. Your tear around Arnold from Alabama Kole
Speaker 3: Ay mckinstrey, his teammate at Alabama as well, could be
Speaker 3: really solid players, especially again in a situation where you
Speaker 3: already have Campbell, who is an ascending young cornerback and
Speaker 3: one of the best young corners in the game. I
Speaker 3: think that getting that elite outside cornerback duo is paramount to,
Speaker 3: like you said, being able to keep pace with a
Speaker 3: lot of the teams in this division. And you don't
Speaker 3: always want to make more your moves based on someone else.
Speaker 3: But I do feel as though Jacksonville kind of made
Speaker 3: a lot of their moves in and kind of like
Speaker 3: what they wanted to do in free agency and so
Speaker 3: the draft. Could you could argue that, Okay, it could
Speaker 3: be a little bit more reactionary, and that's not necessarily
Speaker 3: a bad thing, especially if you get a really good
Speaker 3: football player on your team. So I think that, yeah,
Speaker 3: when you look at the rest of that division, having
Speaker 3: to play all those teams and those offenses at least
Speaker 3: twice a year piece, that definitely ups the pressure to
Speaker 3: make your secondary as good as it can be.
Speaker 2: Trevor second and Pro Football Focus at Tampa Bay tray
Speaker 2: on X. Well, that's one philosophy is to defend it
Speaker 2: a little bit better. Well, the other one is to
Speaker 2: you know, fight fire with fire and add some more
Speaker 2: offensive weaponry for Trevor Lawrence at wide receiver and the
Speaker 2: Jaguars historically in the early rounds have not drafted a
Speaker 2: lot of wide receivers. Only nine all time in the
Speaker 2: first three rounds have been selected by the Jaguars. Only
Speaker 2: one of those, Trevor has made it to a second contract,
Speaker 2: and that was Marquise Lee. The last first round draft
Speaker 2: pick for the Jags at wide receiver was Justin Blackman
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. So they haven't historically fared well in
Speaker 2: this department. But if they were to go the wide
Speaker 2: receiver route, is there something there middle of the first round?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there absolutely is. And the good thing
Speaker 3: about it is. You know, Jacksonville's sitting here, They've got
Speaker 3: a second round pick, they got a third round compick
Speaker 3: right now. I think that you could even maybe get
Speaker 3: an impact receiver in the second and third round as well.
Speaker 3: But I don't, you know, the big question is, Hey,
Speaker 3: this wide receiver class is so good, it's so deep,
Speaker 3: it's so talented. Does that deter you from taking one
Speaker 3: in the first round because you think you get win
Speaker 3: a little bit later. I think it's an interesting conversation
Speaker 3: for teams to have, but I would tell you that
Speaker 3: I wouldn't really let the thought of that get in
Speaker 3: the way of me taking a guy who I think
Speaker 3: could be a wide receiver one on my team. And
Speaker 3: I think that when you look at an ad Mitchell
Speaker 3: from Texas Brian Thomas Junior from LSU, those are two
Speaker 3: of the wide receivers that I think could be in
Speaker 3: that sweet spot off still available, but really high impact
Speaker 3: players for them at number seventeen. If they don't move, it's.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 3: I think that both of those guys their games aren't
Speaker 3: perfect yet, you know, it's not as well rounded as
Speaker 3: it could be for either of them. But I mean,
Speaker 3: you just look at the athletic baseline for both of
Speaker 3: these guys. I mean, Ady Mitchell, relative athletics scorer, one
Speaker 3: of the best wide receivers that we've seen over the
Speaker 3: last you know, five six years. You know, you look
Speaker 3: at Brian Thomas junior. Okay, primarily a vertical threat type
Speaker 3: of guy. But while he is hopefully rounding out what
Speaker 3: he could be as an all around receiver, what he
Speaker 3: does now is that vertical guy is pretty dang unstoppable.
Speaker 3: And we saw that in the SEC at LSU this
Speaker 3: past year, almost two hundred and ten pounds runts of
Speaker 3: four to three, three forty yard dash. And it was funny.
Speaker 3: I was looking over some Jaden Daniels film the other day.
Speaker 3: I was looking at how he was as a quarterback
Speaker 3: when it came to throws on the run and scrambling.
Speaker 3: So I was looking at a handful of those plays,
Speaker 3: and there's just one throw where he just absolutely fits
Speaker 3: it straight into the bucket, right in the bread basket
Speaker 3: for Brian Thomas Junior. He's got about forty forty five
Speaker 3: yards before he gets the end zone. He puts his
Speaker 3: foot in the ground and he accelerates and you go, WHOA, Okay,
Speaker 3: there it is, there's the four to three three we
Speaker 3: see it. That's a difference making level speed, even at
Speaker 3: the NFL level. So you can't help but think about,
Speaker 3: all right, if your picture and that guy in Jags
Speaker 3: colors and a Jags jersey, what it could be with
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence looking deep for him and connecting with him
Speaker 3: in a vertical threat for this offense. So those are
Speaker 3: the two guys that consistently go to if they're gonna
Speaker 3: stick in the middle of the first round. You're hoping
Speaker 3: that one of Brian Thomas Junior or Aby Mitchell from
Speaker 3: Texas is going to be there for you. And they also,
Speaker 3: because of their athleticism, feel like Trent Bulky types. So
Speaker 3: I feel like they're gonna both be on the Jags radar.
Speaker 2: As well as Trevor Sikoma of Pro Football Focus at
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, Trey on x JP Shadow, Jeff Logoman. They
Speaker 2: have full conversation coming soon on Jaguars dot Com Jaguars
Speaker 2: social media. Yeah, I mean those are two position groups
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are picking to the Jaguars logs,
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm still kind of on the corner
Speaker 2: train myself. I mean, you can't have too many good cornerbacks,
Speaker 2: especially with a division that's loading up on wide receiver talent. No,
Speaker 2: and the good thing is is that the team kind
Speaker 2: of filled some holes at both of those positions and
Speaker 2: free agency, and so that helps, I think going in
Speaker 2: the draft. So you feel like that, hey, if you're
Speaker 2: making that call, hey, we're comfortable with what we have.
Speaker 2: Let's just take the best player that's on our board.
Speaker 2: If it's a wide receiver, great, if it's a defensive
Speaker 2: tackle great, if it's an offensive tackle, great. I'm okay
Speaker 2: with that. Just take the best player, the ones that
Speaker 2: are going to give you the best chance to succeed,
Speaker 2: because you know, at the end of the day, when
Speaker 2: you have the best players, that's all that matters, because
Speaker 2: you can end up getting compensatory picks for other players
Speaker 2: that move on or you know, look, this team has
Speaker 2: tried to fill holes in the past by drafting for need,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't always work out and you end up
Speaker 2: having a player who never even gets to a second
Speaker 2: contract sometimes. So that's why you always draft the best players. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned that wide receiver stat in the question
Speaker 2: to I looked that up earlier today because I knew
Speaker 2: obviously it wasn't great, and so I just tried to
Speaker 2: figure out how not great it was. Repeat that again,
Speaker 2: because I mean some people might not have heard that,
Speaker 2: and you're seeing it on your screen on Jaguars dot com.
Speaker 2: The Jaguars in rounds one, two, or three all time
Speaker 2: have selected nine wide receivers in that stretch. Only one
Speaker 2: of them has signed a second deal with the team,
Speaker 2: and that was Marquise Lee. The others, for one reason
Speaker 2: or another, never made it to a second deal or
Speaker 2: never made it through their first deal with the team,
Speaker 2: Justin Blackman being one of those twenty twelve, Well, and
Speaker 2: leave that chart up there. I mean, let's let's talk
Speaker 2: about them. RJ. Soward, some players you don't get to
Speaker 2: a second contract because look, you're you're in some kind
Speaker 2: of financial straits to where you can't afford to do that,
Speaker 2: right right, So two thousand Soward, Matt Williams, Okay, No, No, RJ. Soward,
Speaker 2: Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Hey bus across the board, Bus
Speaker 2: three of them. Bus all first round picks, by the way.
Speaker 2: Oh seven, Mike Simms Walker the third round pick twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: Justin Blackman, first round pick plus he had issues. He
Speaker 2: was an incredible player when he was out there, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't out there long. Uh. Twenty fourteen, two different
Speaker 2: second round picks, Mark Eastlee and Alan Robinson, and both
Speaker 2: of those guys good football players that could have warned
Speaker 2: a second contract. So Marquise did he got They made
Speaker 2: a choice there, they picked one of the other. They
Speaker 2: chose Mark Eastley and then Alan Robinson moved on and
Speaker 2: Lee got hurt after that and pretty much was done
Speaker 2: by the way, and it was Davante Turpin whoever it
Speaker 2: was Atlanta Falcons, total cheap show. It was like a
Speaker 2: preseason season game, and he took him out at the knee. Terrible,
Speaker 2: I remember that terrible. DJ Shark twenty eighteen second wasn't
Speaker 2: by the way, it was somebody else. You're just accusing people.
Speaker 2: I can't remember it. He was CAZy. It was Caz
Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, Chark was a good player but didn't
Speaker 2: get a second deal here. Well, good player, but really
Speaker 2: it's not like he left here and put up big numbers.
Speaker 2: Kind of been a journeyman the rest of the time.
Speaker 2: So I mean in Leviscus chanal H who just picked
Speaker 2: him up to do to add him to maybe do
Speaker 2: some kick returning stuff, because he when when they traded
Speaker 2: him to Carolina, he has really had very few catches total.
Speaker 2: Seahawks just signed seat and they were kind of pumping
Speaker 2: them up, like, oh yeah, with the new kickoff return rules.
Speaker 2: He's a good acquisition. And I'm going I mean, there's
Speaker 2: one way to find out preseason and then if it
Speaker 2: doesn't work out. But I mean that that's staggering. I
Speaker 2: mean drafts now, remember a lot of this time in
Speaker 2: the mid two thousands, this was a run first team, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, d and Maurice doesn't matter. David Garrard is
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Terrible job of drafting in rounds one, two,
Speaker 2: and three at that position. Terrible. Yeah, and in the
Speaker 2: league has become a passing league. That's the whole point.
Speaker 2: I think the reason why this team was run heavies
Speaker 2: because the draft picks that we just saw were not
Speaker 2: very good, and the quarterbacks picks weren't very cut. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons why they weren't very good some years.
Speaker 2: The Jaguars are celebrating their thirtieth season this year, though,
Speaker 2: and the time to get your twenty twenty four season
Speaker 2: ticket membership is now be at the bank for every
Speaker 2: touchdown and secure your seats at Jaguars Dot catam Slash
Speaker 2: tickets or call nine oh four six three three two thousand.
Speaker 2: But you can't sit there because you're working. No I know,
Speaker 2: but I got them, gotta have them, got them. Jaguars
Speaker 2: Happy Hour brought to you by the Saint John's Ripper
Speaker 2: Water Management District, Florida's water It's worth saving.
Speaker 4: After the thirty business, we want to make sure that
Speaker 4: everyone has all the information that we need to have
Speaker 4: on the player, all the background information checks out, if
Speaker 4: they've had any character issues in their background.
Speaker 2: We want to make sure there security is on.
Speaker 4: All that we get all the documentation on all of
Speaker 4: these issues.
Speaker 2: What we're trying to prevent.
Speaker 4: Now draft a surprises, something comes up from the past
Speaker 4: that has sprung on us. We don't know, we don't
Speaker 4: have information on us, so now we can't make a
Speaker 4: good decision on whether we want to take this player
Speaker 4: or not. So you're getting all the background info.
Speaker 2: Probably about two weeks.
Speaker 4: To ten days before the draft, the medical team will
Speaker 4: come in and they'll go through and talk about, Hey,
Speaker 4: here are the guys.
Speaker 3: Who have issues.
Speaker 4: Here's the risk assessment on all of these guys. We
Speaker 4: can put these guys on the board or they can
Speaker 4: take them off the board based on what the doctors say.
Speaker 4: And then the final part of it is just scrimmaging
Speaker 4: out what we call the clusterbuster, the guys that are
Speaker 4: closely graded. But how do we want to stack the
Speaker 4: board in order? They're three closely graded corners, what is
Speaker 4: our preference?
Speaker 2: That's Bucky Brooks from the Huddle Up podcast available on
Speaker 2: the Official Jaguars Podcast Network, posted yesterday afternoon and welcome
Speaker 2: back at Jaguars Happy Hour, brought to you by the
Speaker 2: Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water It's worth saving.
Speaker 2: That was with three weeks to go. I asked Bucky,
Speaker 2: what's your checklist as a GM to be ready to
Speaker 2: go on draft night? And that was the bulk of
Speaker 2: his answer. They're the rest of it available on the
Speaker 2: pot and the draft is almost here. The Jags are
Speaker 2: almost on the clock. Join us at the Bank Thursday,
Speaker 2: April twenty fifth, where the official Dove All Draft Party
Speaker 2: presented by Donovan Air Electric and Plumbing, and the party
Speaker 2: gets started at seven o'clock. Tickets are free. Register at
Speaker 2: Jaguars dot Com slash Draft Party. Yeah, don't come to
Speaker 2: the stadium expecting you can just get a ticket on
Speaker 2: the way in. No, no, no, no, no, no, can't do that.
Speaker 2: You've got a register today at Jaguars dot Com slash
Speaker 2: Draft Party. You'll be there. I will be there. We've
Speaker 2: got a radio show to do. Yeah, draft, right, we're
Speaker 2: out the first round. Yeah, looking forward to that. I
Speaker 2: love following the draft. I mean, I'm gonna watch the draft.
Speaker 2: Why not do a radio show? And you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit more vested in it, you know, because
Speaker 2: I'm watching these guys and I don't necessarily rank or
Speaker 2: stack a board, but I kind of in my mind
Speaker 2: when when I when I see a pick, then I
Speaker 2: sit there and I go, was that the right move
Speaker 2: to make? I'm like, why did they pick that guy?
Speaker 2: Or I love that pick? You know, you kind of
Speaker 2: love it because then you kind of go back in
Speaker 2: years later and look at the draft and you go, yeah,
Speaker 2: see I was right, or boy I was totally wrong
Speaker 2: on that one. Trust me, there's been many of them.
Speaker 2: I think everybody can say that. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that's why it's every g It's a percentages game. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 2: good football teams are the ones that realize that it
Speaker 2: is a percentage game and that they're not always going
Speaker 2: to be right, and that the sooner that they admit
Speaker 2: that they made a mistake, the better off they're going
Speaker 2: to be. When teams continue to try to hold on
Speaker 2: to what is a mistake, or they continue to believe
Speaker 2: that they have the answer, we can fix it, and
Speaker 2: they ignore that position in the future, that's where teams
Speaker 2: get in trouble. They have to ruse. And I remember
Speaker 2: talking to Bill Polling about this, and I asked him, so, Bill,
Speaker 2: what's the most important thing that you've learned to the
Speaker 2: job of being a general manager? And he said, you
Speaker 2: never can be attached to your picks to the point
Speaker 2: to where you make mistakes in the future because you
Speaker 2: have such a strong belief in them. You have to
Speaker 2: believe in them. But you can only carry that belief
Speaker 2: so far. It can't be blind faith. It's got to
Speaker 2: be a smart move with the understanding that it is
Speaker 2: a percentage game. Blind faith. Great one album band, by
Speaker 2: the way, Yeah, very true. What was one of the
Speaker 2: members of that band, Eric Clapton. The most famous one
Speaker 2: of that band, Steve Winwood there with him two big
Speaker 2: name Ginger Baker was the drummer. For get who the
Speaker 2: bass player was. I don't know. Let's keep it player.
Speaker 2: It's time to keep it real here in our copic
Speaker 2: today on keeping it real. How concerned are you about
Speaker 2: the Houston Texans trading for wide receiver Stefan Diggs from
Speaker 2: the Bills. I'm kind of excited about excited really? Yeah,
Speaker 2: where where's Stefan? Where's Stefan Digg's ever been?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 2: It's been a good situation and everybody's happy. I mean
Speaker 2: they're happy when they win games exactly. Okay, he's it's
Speaker 2: kind of a it's he is a good hand when
Speaker 2: things are going well. Okay, Okay, he's not a He's
Speaker 2: not one of those players when times get tough, we're
Speaker 2: gonna circle the wagons and depend and lean on the
Speaker 2: veterans and the leadership. Is he one of those guys? JP?
Speaker 2: Do you think based on what you've seen over the
Speaker 2: last five or six years. I mean you could argue, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not that guy. No, he's but he's really damn good.
Speaker 2: He's good. I don't know if he's really damn good.
Speaker 2: He's good. If I'm the Houston Texans. You're questioning it.
Speaker 2: I am not. I am First of all, I am
Speaker 2: not gonna pay him, of which they don't have a
Speaker 2: big financial responsibility. Yeah, they I'm not gonna give up
Speaker 2: for him. Yeah. The Texans apparently wiped out the final
Speaker 2: three years of the contract the reports just moments ago,
Speaker 2: and he has the ability to become a free agent
Speaker 2: after this coming season. So the Texans also took the
Speaker 2: three and a half million dollars guaranteed next season and
Speaker 2: moved it into this season. So that assures digs of
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million guaranteed this year. The
Speaker 2: only good thing is that the Texans didn't give a
Speaker 2: whole lot up. It was really not a whole lot
Speaker 2: from a draft picks standpoint. What was it like a second,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. I don't think it was. I don't think
Speaker 2: it was that high. I thought it was later than
Speaker 2: that double check then, But I mean, I don't think it.
Speaker 2: And look, here's the reality. If he's a good player
Speaker 2: for them, if he's a happy camper. There was a
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to sixth round pick and a twenty
Speaker 2: five fifth round pick, which has changed for a second
Speaker 2: in twenty five and the receiver, which is nothing. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you're right, so the cost was virtually nothing nothing, So
Speaker 2: you're if Diggs is happy, okay, then you've got a
Speaker 2: wide receiver corp in Houston. That's oh my goodness. So
Speaker 2: if he's happy, you don't like six straight years over
Speaker 2: a thousand yards. No, I like it, but I don't
Speaker 2: like the headaches that go along with it. You remember
Speaker 2: last year we got supposed I got thrown out of
Speaker 2: the building or left the building. And then who hasn't
Speaker 2: been thrown out of a building? Seriously? Come on, I'm
Speaker 2: kidding yours. I'm kidding. I haven't lately, No, not yet anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm especially with a young quarterback. How did we
Speaker 2: play against him last year? Let me just fit with
Speaker 2: a young quarterback to where you have a really, really
Speaker 2: a strong receiver room already, and with a young receiving room,
Speaker 2: I'm not bringing that in there. If it's me, I'm not.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why Buffalo said we've
Speaker 2: had enough. Were just get this guy out of here.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what was the last straw that
Speaker 2: made the Buffalo Bills just say, look, we're done. I mean,
Speaker 2: was it him Diggs making a comment on social media
Speaker 2: about how important he was to the success of Josh
Speaker 2: Allen kind of how he made Josh Allen. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was that or if they just had
Speaker 2: enough from last year. All right, it went over a
Speaker 2: thousand yards last year. But his last one hundred yard
Speaker 2: game was Week six. He had five of the first
Speaker 2: six games one hundred yards, eight for one twenty one
Speaker 2: against the Jags, including a touchdown right before halftime in London. Remember, no, no,
Speaker 2: I totally get it. I'm just out of I'm not
Speaker 2: a fan. Not a fan, especially when you already have
Speaker 2: two really good wide receivers and when you in free
Speaker 2: agency you could have gotten some other players that didn't
Speaker 2: have that baggage that go along with them. But if
Speaker 2: he's right, if he's in a good headspace, look out.
Speaker 2: I don't like if players can that system can They
Speaker 2: don't like if players, But can the Houston system absorb that?
Speaker 2: That's the question. It's so new to You got to
Speaker 2: have a strong locker room to have a have a
Speaker 2: player like that, you do. You gotta have strong You
Speaker 2: gotta have strong locker room, and you got to have
Speaker 2: strong coach now, Demiko Ryan strong coach. I think Demiico
Speaker 2: can handle that. Can the locker room, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Can the can that room handle that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's a terrible bad guy, but
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that if things are going well,
Speaker 2: yeah he's he's all for If he's getting the ball,
Speaker 2: yeah he's all for it. Yeah we're yeah, go team.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't get some targets all sudden, he's gonna
Speaker 2: mope around. And and you've got a second year quarterback
Speaker 2: and c J. Stroud. Do you want see J. Stroud
Speaker 2: to have to deal with that?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 2: Not me. That was keeping it real as we do
Speaker 2: each and every week on xl AM, Jaguars dot Com,
Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube. Jaked Shadwick jan here's a fact though. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: you better get some corners, right, you got somebody's gotta
Speaker 2: defend these. If he if he's happy they've got that. Now.
Speaker 2: The Texans have got three really good wide receivers. The
Speaker 2: rookie that they had last year, Tank Dell. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean runs via people. It sounded fast. The big wide
Speaker 2: receiver that's got great speed. Oh god, yeah, the other guy,
Speaker 2: the other guy. Yeah, I mean, I mean they've got
Speaker 2: two burners, and now you add this guy if he's happy.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy. Uh Microsoft social media questions. When
Speaker 2: we come back, it's Jaguars Happy Hour, brought to you
Speaker 2: by the Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water.
Speaker 2: It's worth saving. Jaguars Happy Hour brought to you have
Speaker 2: a Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water. It's
Speaker 2: worth saving. By the way, Rick Retch was the bass
Speaker 2: player for Blind Faith our thanks to Joe Fortunado, he's
Speaker 2: player for Traffic. Yeah. After that, Yeah, it's all coming together.
Speaker 2: Most famous traffic song in your opinion, Oh, mister Fantasy
Speaker 2: by Fall, it's got a bit. Second most famous song
Speaker 2: probably not Medicated Goo, but that was a good one.
Speaker 2: Low spark, high heeled boys, that one. They have a long. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we could get into a long. We have another hour.
Speaker 2: If we had another hour, we get into this. Maybe
Speaker 2: we can do a podcast on the after show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got time right now? Yeah? I got time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess heyes, Jaguars Happy I gotta get Joe on
Speaker 2: that podcast. True, we're on ten ten xlam Jaguars dot Com,
Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube JP Shadwick with Jeff Flagman, It's time for
Speaker 2: social media questions, presented or powered rather by Microsoft. We
Speaker 2: put out the cat signal earlier today. Here's the best
Speaker 2: we've come up with at shrekspositos six ' nine. How
Speaker 2: much do you think the team would realistically give up
Speaker 2: for a trade up to get one of the top
Speaker 2: three receivers and in your opinion, would it be worth it.
Speaker 2: I would think Marvin Harrison is the top receiver. I
Speaker 2: don't think you're getting there. Yeah, I don't think you
Speaker 2: need to. No. I mean, why would you want to
Speaker 2: get up, trade up and to get up into that
Speaker 2: stratosphere because it would be extremely costly. Okay, if you're
Speaker 2: going to get up there and get Harrison, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to get to what to pick three or four?
Speaker 2: Probably four or five because the quarterbacks are probably going
Speaker 2: at least the top three, okay, the top four Okay,
Speaker 2: so four or five and then the next highest rated
Speaker 2: wide receiver according to my list, is Neighbors out of LSU. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you're looking at four, maybe six. You you might
Speaker 2: have to give up a future one to get up
Speaker 2: that high from seventeen, right, I mean because oh yeah,
Speaker 2: the future one gets valued as a current two, so
Speaker 2: you'd have to give up a two and then something
Speaker 2: and you're not gonna do that. It's not worth it. Supposedly,
Speaker 2: it's a very deep wide receiver draft. And here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I think all future drafts are going to be very
Speaker 2: deep wide receiver drafts just because of the college game.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's become a passing game. There's more developed
Speaker 2: wide receivers than there used to be in the past.
Speaker 2: I don't think you trade up to do that. I'm
Speaker 2: not a big fan of trading up anywhere AJP. Why
Speaker 2: because it's a percentages game. You need bodies right when
Speaker 2: you start trading up, then you're losing, okay, the percentages
Speaker 2: game because you're not keeping the picks and the cost
Speaker 2: is prohibitive. Yeah, it's becoming a wide receiver game in
Speaker 2: the NFL, right, but it's a different style of game.
Speaker 2: There's more space in college football, right because of the
Speaker 2: hashmarks and the way it's played, the figuring out the
Speaker 2: transition how guys can transition, and then at the line
Speaker 2: when you've got press coverage. In the NFL, it's a
Speaker 2: different world, and some wide receivers have a little bit
Speaker 2: of struggle in their first season adapting to the NFL game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very few wide receivers coming to the league and have
Speaker 2: a Jamar Chase type of year. It doesn't happen, or
Speaker 2: a Justin Jefferson type of rookie season. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: So you got to have a little patience. But to
Speaker 2: answer the initial question, I'm not doing it. Okay, the
Speaker 2: cost is prohibitive. Stay where you are and pick a
Speaker 2: wide receiver then, or pick a wide receiver in round two.
Speaker 2: That's okay. I know a former Jags head coach that
Speaker 2: probably would have wanted to do it. Thank goodness, you
Speaker 2: got around two. Yeah, that's right. Okay, let's not forget
Speaker 2: it's true. They could have lost that, which would have
Speaker 2: been a mistake. That was a good move by Trent
Speaker 2: Balky letting him walk or let not signing him before
Speaker 2: the league year, not sign before the calendar year, and
Speaker 2: then so then you have to allow him to be
Speaker 2: able to hear other offers, and then that's what happens.
Speaker 2: That's what happened. You don't give up a second round
Speaker 2: pick for a guy like that. I mean, let's not
Speaker 2: forget to give it a third round pick for that's okay,
Speaker 2: because you thought you were gonna hit, it didn't hit.
Speaker 2: It was okay. Yeah, but let's not forget that there
Speaker 2: was some troubles last year. Everything didn't go perfectly. Okay,
Speaker 2: he got a thousand yards, but he got to a
Speaker 2: thousand yards because it was so many injuries. Elsewhere does
Speaker 2: he get to a thousand yards if all those injuries
Speaker 2: don't don't happen elsewhere, If all those injuries happen elsewhere,
Speaker 2: he's probably getting playoff yardage. Everybody's happy. Yeah, but the
Speaker 2: regular season numbers wouldn't have been over a thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they would have been the playoffs. And who cares?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm not in his head. Maybe he does care. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It doesn't matter, but I think the Jaguars
Speaker 2: did a good thing. You gotta cover him now too,
Speaker 2: by the way, Tennessee, Okay, Calvin, one thing about wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Give me a wide receiver that's like Tank Dell or
Speaker 2: just we were talking about the other wide receiver Nico
Speaker 2: Collins for the Texans. Those guys can fly. Okay, I
Speaker 2: worry about covering those guys. Did you ever see Colvin
Speaker 2: Ridley get great separation or run by a guy with
Speaker 2: great speed in training camp? In a game? He was
Speaker 2: wide open? Remember training camp out here, they thought he
Speaker 2: was Jerry Rice. You're talking about practice. I'm just telling you,
Speaker 2: we're really talking about the first half of the Colts
Speaker 2: game Week one. Yeah. Remember he had like one hundred
Speaker 2: yards in the first half. Did he run by anybody?
Speaker 2: He caught a touchdown in the back of the end zone,
Speaker 2: I know, but did he run by Nokay? No, he's
Speaker 2: an excellent, solid slot player. Let me, let me, let
Speaker 2: me give you this question. I can't wait. Because you
Speaker 2: have Christian Kirk and you have Calvin Redley. They're kind
Speaker 2: of similar players. Okay, okay, if you had to pick one,
Speaker 2: which one would you take? Oh? Kirk? Wait Kirk all day?
Speaker 2: Because when he went down that's when the season went
Speaker 2: really awry. He was the guy. There's your answer. He
Speaker 2: was the guy. Let's get one more question, and it's
Speaker 2: a tough one actually coming up at Jay Fix eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Who do you think is a Day two or Day
Speaker 2: three steel for this year's draft? Well, this is hard
Speaker 2: because you got to start digging into all these smaller
Speaker 2: schools and things. I'm gonna switch the question around. Okay,
Speaker 2: who do you think is the best late round steal
Speaker 2: for the Jags in their history? A guy that was
Speaker 2: a late draft pick that worked out more than you
Speaker 2: would have thought. And let's say from the fourth round on,
Speaker 2: Telvin Smith comes to mind. Excellent pick in the fifth round,
Speaker 2: great speed and watching pause and Telvin Smith in their
Speaker 2: heyday was pure joy. Gosh through some other ones. Cecil
Speaker 2: Shortz was a fourth rounder. I think, yeah, he's fourth.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I mean, that's not late. Yeah, gosh, that's
Speaker 2: great question. You got a minute. I don't know, it's tough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd have to see the list. Elvin's a pretty good
Speaker 2: pick though, but I mean Telvin jumps out right away.
Speaker 2: Did we ever figure out another word for generational? We
Speaker 2: did not? We uh? We failed? Wow? We failed. That's
Speaker 2: unlike us being masters of the English line enguage at all.
Speaker 2: How QB of the decade, he's a quarterback of a
Speaker 2: decade of a ten to fifteen to twenty years. Every
Speaker 2: ten year somewhere in that ballpark. That's Jeff Logovan I'm
Speaker 2: JP Schadricker. Thanks to Joe Fortunado and Brent Reeber, and
Speaker 2: thanks to you for listening the Jaguars Happy Hour presented
Speaker 2: by the Saint John's River Water Management District. Florida's water
Speaker 2: It's worth saving.