1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Willgate f Daily with 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording Not So Live from 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Silarium. First and foremost, folks, I want to 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: wish you a very happy Thanksgiving. I hope that you 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: if you were traveling, you got to where you were 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: going to safely. Later in the show, I asked Jonathan, 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: you know, our in house doctor, to join us to 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of provide a reminder of where we are in 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen right now, and also some of the 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: measures that we can use when we're gathering with family, 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: when we're gathering with friends over the next couple of 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: weeks in order to keep ourselves safe. And I wanted 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: to do that because I got to tell you I 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: was reading the news the other day. Jonathan and I 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: will talk about this as well, and seeing what is 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: happening in Europe and recognizing that for the past, you know, 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: nineteen months, twenty months, where it will almost be at 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: two years once the calendar year changes, that what is 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: happening in Europe tends to come to the United States 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: within a four week period. And right now there are 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: countries like Austria that are going back on lockdowns. There 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: is conversation about whether or not Germany will lock back down. 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: France has created a vaccination system, much in the way 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: that New York has, where you have a vaccination card 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: that you need to show in order to get on 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: public transportation, so that they can avoid a lockdown as well, 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: because of course, you know, politics and money rule everything, 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: and they're getting ready to have an election in twenty 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: twenty two and don't want to deal with yet another shutdown. 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: But I think that it's important, especially as we are 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: gathering for the first time many of us for the 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: holiday season with family and friends, to be reminded of 33 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: the ways that we need to keep ourselves safe. The 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: pandemic is not over, and over seven hundred thousand people 35 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: in the United States alone have lost their lives, and 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: so I just I use this opportunity for my conversation 37 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: with Jonathan to remind us about one how we engage 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: with one another, how we keep ourselves safe, but also 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: how we protect our mental and emotional health. Look, gathering 40 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: with family and friends during the holiday season isn't always 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: a joy for a lot of people, and I recognize that. 42 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: I always, you know, as I talk about my own 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: family and friends. I am oftentimes really thankful that I 44 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: look forward to going home, I look forward to spending time, 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: but that is not the case for far too many people. 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: And so Jonathan offers some tips, some tricks, some jokes 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: about how we stay sane during this time. So I 48 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: just want to bring that to all of you. But 49 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: it is Thanksgiving, right And aside from the fact that 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: this is a bullshit colonizer holiday, I have transitioned into 51 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: not obviously talking about how, you know, white supremacist, religious 52 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: zealous came to this land and colonized it and killed 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: off a bunch of Indigenous people. Instead like to focus 54 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: on a day of gratitude. Now. I talked about this 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: a bit yesterday, and I talk about it actually a 56 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: lot with my friends and my family these days too, 57 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: which is my life has changed a lot over the 58 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: past couple of years, and you know, mostly because I 59 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: ended a marriage and you know, began living on my own, 60 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: switched up the kind of work that I was doing 61 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to just put rage out into 62 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: the universe, but actually wanted to also be a voice 63 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: of positivity. One of the ways in which I have 64 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: shifted in my own life is a daily gratitude practice. Now, 65 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: these are things that I used to roll my eyes at. 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: I will be honest with you that my mother and 67 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: my sister, you know, they had been practicing meditation, daily 68 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: yoga on a regular basis, doing all of these things. 69 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: And you know, at the time when they would say, Danielle, 70 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: you should meditate, like you're so stressed out, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 71 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: you know, I'll try it. I'll do it at some point, 72 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: but really seeing it as more of an annoyance really 73 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: than anything else. I've come to realize, particularly through the pandemic, 74 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: how important it is to slow down, and how important 75 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: it is, particularly when things around you, whether it be 76 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: our democracy or your livelihood, are seemed to be crumbling. 77 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: What are the ways in which we can ground ourselves 78 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: and center ourselves in the things that are going well, 79 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: the things that we are grateful for. So, you know, 80 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: it started off slowly with me and really began with 81 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: the daily walks that I started taking in twenty twenty 82 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: as a way, just frankly, to get some fresh air 83 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: and to stop staring at the same you know, four walls. 84 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: But what started happening for me on these daily walks 85 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: is that it became more so meditative. It was the 86 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: time to be alone. I would listen to my music 87 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: or not listen to anything except for nature, listening to 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: the birds and the wind right, or you know, noticing 89 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: beautiful trees and flowers and just kind of taking in 90 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: using my five senses to take in my surroundings instead 91 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: of being on this constant hamster wheel treadmill where I 92 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: was just rushing to get from point A to point B, 93 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: not really taking into consideration what was happening in between 94 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: those two points. And so on my walks, you know, 95 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: I found myself thinking a lot about the past, thinking 96 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: a lot about the ways in which I had shown 97 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: up in past relationships, whether they be romantic relationships or 98 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, just intimate friendships, family relationships, and you know, 99 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: being also just mindful of how my shift in energy 100 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: shifted people's reactions and responses to me. So, you know, 101 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: I say that because I think that it is important 102 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: for us too to have these moments of reflection. We're 103 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: so busy, particularly in the United States, of just like 104 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: powering through every goddamn thing that you know, it is 105 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: part of this grind culture. It's part of this hustle culture, 106 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: that you can never take a break, that you can 107 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: never take a moment, that everything is about, you know, 108 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: what could possibly happen in the future, and we don't 109 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: take the past into consideration, and we damn sure speed 110 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: over the present. But what these daily walks started to 111 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: offer to me was an opportunity to have quiet space, 112 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: have what some refer to as quietude instead of solitude, 113 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: and really think about the ways in which I am 114 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: happy and joyful and grateful for my surroundings, for the 115 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to take a walk, to take a break, to 116 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: be in community, and recognizing that everything isn't about the destination, 117 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: everything isn't about what is going to happen next. So 118 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: my daily gratitude practice started, you know, with just being 119 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: grateful that I could get out of the house during 120 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: the pandemic, and because I was staying, you know, on 121 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: Long Island, that I didn't have to worry about wearing 122 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: a mask when I was outside because frankly, there were 123 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: really no neighbors around. And then more and more people 124 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: started to, you know, decide that they were going to 125 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: use their time to walk or to jog, and so 126 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: I started like waving to people, you know, wishing them 127 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: a good morning or saying good afternoon, and that those 128 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: little gestures made me feel good. It made me feel like, oh, 129 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: I see you, you see me. We're in this you know, 130 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: crazy moment, but like we're honoring each other as we're passing. 131 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: And you know, as things began to kind of settle 132 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: in that this was going to be our new normal, 133 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: realizing that what was making me feel good, what I 134 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: was holding on to, frankly, was the fact that, you know, 135 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: I was happy not to be alone, that the quarantine 136 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: and the pandemic had offered an opportunity for my family 137 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: who been separated by oceans. You know that my sister 138 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: lives abroad to come together and to be together. So 139 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: what I think this opportunity these days right allow us 140 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: to do when we are hopefully not working, although many 141 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: of us still have to work, right, but the opportunity 142 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving to come together with our families, with our friends, 143 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: to take walks, go on hikes, connect with folks, is 144 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: the opportunity to be grateful for the little things. And 145 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: I know that that seems so cliche, but I started 146 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: to realize that cliches are cliches for a reason right, 147 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: because they mean something. My sister and my mother, like 148 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: I said, oftentimes would say, Danielle, you're so stressed out, 149 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: you're so overwhelmed, take the opportunity to meditate still yourself, 150 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: and I would roll my eyes. And then I started 151 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: practicing meditation daily, multiple times a day, and recognize that 152 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: now I feel more at ease. It's weird to me 153 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: to say that I feel more at ease now as 154 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: our democracy is clearly crumbling around us and everything seems 155 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: like a shit show, but that I feel more grounded 156 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: and more connected to my family, to my friends, to 157 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: myself than I did in twenty nineteen. And so I 158 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: offered that as an example to say that you don't 159 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: have to be addicted to the trauma of this moment, 160 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: to the grief, because frankly, like I said yesterday with 161 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: the Michelle Goldberg article in the New York Times, this 162 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: dystopia that we're living in doesn't have an expiration date. 163 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: And if we are just focusing on all of the 164 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: things that are wrong instead of practice in gratitude and 165 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: developing a gratitude practice on the things that are actually 166 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: right right, the things that are going well in our lives. 167 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: The small things, right, the ability to go and you know, 168 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: have a glass of wine with a friend, the ability 169 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: to go for a walk, or to practice yoga, or 170 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: to garden, to pick up a new plant, to do 171 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: whatever it is. But take those opportunities, those moments right 172 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: to send up just a little note of gratitude. I'm 173 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: grateful for this right And it doesn't have to be 174 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: something that you share with the world, but I would 175 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: say that, you know, particularly if part of your thanksgiving 176 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: a tradition is to go around the table and to 177 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: offer up what you are grateful for this year or 178 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: what you are hopeful for in you know, in the 179 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: coming year, to not think about the material things that 180 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: you have, but think about where our attention went when 181 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: quarantine was happening. What are the things that we were 182 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: holding onto that got us through And are we still 183 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: steeped in that practice of recognizing that, you know, health, 184 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: our health is something to be grateful for. There are 185 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: lots of people struggling right now, right not only with 186 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: COVID but with really ailing other diseases and issues. So 187 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: if you are able to take deep breaths, if you're 188 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: able to move your body, be grateful for that, and 189 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: so you know, I just I want to say that 190 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: I will end with this that I am so grateful 191 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: for each and every single one of you who have 192 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: decided to not only invest your time but your treasure 193 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: into supporting Woke a F and Woke a F nation 194 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: and providing your comments and words of encouragement and your 195 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: likes and your suggestions. Over the past year. I have 196 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: gotten through this really because of all of you, and 197 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: the fact that you have placed your faith and your 198 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: energy in me right and then I'm able to put 199 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: that energy back out into the world and to all 200 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: of you. There are days, I tell you, often where 201 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm screaming into a void. And then 202 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: I'll get a note, I'll get a text, I'll get 203 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: a message, I'll get you a DM that tells me 204 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: thank you so much for what it is that you're doing, 205 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: for showing up, for allowing me a space for my 206 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: anger and for my rage. And so I just want 207 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: to say that I wish you all a RESTful, recharging holiday. 208 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: Protect your mental health, protect your physical health, your emotional 209 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: help during this holiday season, Stay safe, stay grounded, staying gratitude. 210 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate each and every one of you. That is 211 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: it for me today. Dear folks, on this Thanksgiving, I 212 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: wish for you, wish for you serious, serious wellness as 213 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: we move into the end of the year. Well, folks, 214 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving. I am excited to bring you an episode 215 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: with our friend doctor Jonathan metzol who if you remember 216 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: last week we said, oh, we're going to talk on 217 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving about what it feels like for some people as 218 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: we head into the holiday season. The anxiety that comes 219 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: up this year is in fact different than last year 220 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: because more people will be gathering together for maybe the 221 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: first time since COVID. But Jonathan, I kind of wanted 222 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on how people how you are 223 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: hearing that people are coping with anxiety with these gatherings. 224 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: I've been reading so many different articles as of late 225 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: of how do we avoid your gas lighting family, like 226 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: how not to have conversations that are going to erupt 227 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: into World War three? But um, what do you talk 228 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: to us about the anxieties that people have around the 229 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: holiday season and how this one is a bit different. Well, hey, everybody, 230 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: I just got to California. First of all, you can 231 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: tell because I'm in my parents little Colorado sorry out 232 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: of it. I'm in my mom, my parents' house. My 233 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: mom has my mom lovest purple and hearts, and so 234 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm in my mom's world right now, which is really nice. 235 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: So on one hand, you know, I woke up this morning, 236 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: what I wake up four o two am in New York. 237 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: I slept all the way to the airport. It was 238 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: a zoo. It's a madhouse. The airport is a mess. 239 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: And then I flew to Denver. Zillion people there rented 240 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the car. Blah blah blah blah blah. So I want 241 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: to say, first of all, at least at this point, 242 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: ask me tomorrow when I'm pulling my hair out. But 243 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: at this point it feels like it's worth it. So 244 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: partially it's kind of like we have the option now 245 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: to see our family. We haven't done so in a 246 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: long time, so that part is nice, right, And in 247 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: other words, like I get to talk to you in 248 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: front of my mom's weird heart sculpture because I'm in 249 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: my parents' house now, which is which is nice. So 250 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: that part is good, But it does bring up like 251 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: all the all the I mean, there's all the usual 252 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: stuff about about just seeing your family and those kind 253 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: of things that's hard enough, and then you bring politics 254 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: on top of that, and then you bring COVID on 255 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: top of that. COVID is such a like, I mean, everybody, 256 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: it's not like everybody in the same family has its 257 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: same attitude about COVID. So COVID itself is a deep, deep, 258 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: deep source of anxiety. I'll give you one example if 259 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: I can, which is which is that I've been nervous 260 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: all week to last month, really because as I have 261 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: two brothers, I'm gonna throw my family into the bus 262 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: right now. I have three brothers. Two of them are 263 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: not great at masking. They don't mask really, and one 264 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: of my brothers is pretty good at it. And my parents, 265 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: you know, my parents are older and they're kind of 266 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: good at it. So I got everybody to agree, we're 267 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: gonna get tested, and we're gonna get rapid tests, and 268 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: we're not going to eat in restaurants and you know, 269 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: indoor restaurants. We gotta laid the ground rules before then. 270 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm driving here and I call it. I'm like, okay, everybody, 271 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm on my way up. Where are you And they're like, oh, 272 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: we're great. We can't wait to see you. We're in 273 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: the gym, and they went to they all went to 274 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: the gym, and I'm like, oh, great, are you wearing 275 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: your mask? And they're like, no, you said restaurants. So 276 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: they're in the gym having gotten tested. Now they're in 277 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: this really big, crowded gym not wearing masks, and so 278 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, like, you can't win, you know what 279 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, As it's your family, I can't like call 280 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: them like creepy ass anti mask because they're also related 281 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: to me. So it's kind of like the regular COVID 282 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: politics are just at play also, where like now I 283 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: told them like, okay, we just wasted our time getting tested. 284 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to wear an N ninety five when them 285 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: around you guys like whatever. But it's kind of like 286 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: everybody has such different you know, everybody has such different 287 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: opinions about COVID anyway and responses. And then you know, 288 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: like now we're going to be stuck in this house together. 289 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: So it's a I just gave you a big bundle 290 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: of emotion because it's I mean, I think that one 291 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: of the things that you did, you know, I mean 292 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: you did several things. You know, Well, it's whether or 293 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: not people follow them. But I think that one of 294 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: the ways to kind of assuage anxiety is to try 295 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: and set ground rules that everybody is going to be 296 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: operating under. If you're going to be under the same roof, right, 297 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: Like there are some people who they come in just 298 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: for the day for Thanksgiving and then they leave. But 299 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: we can't assume that everyone has been following the same guidelines, 300 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: doing the same things. And so, you know, just to 301 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: dig a little deeper, Jonathan, like, how did you decide? 302 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: You know, how did you get up the courage I'll say, 303 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: to have this conversation with your family about setting these 304 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: ground rules. Whether they followed it or not, you know, 305 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: is one thing, But how did you muster up the 306 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: courage to say, hey, can we get to this same 307 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: shared space. I just say, it's not easy, and my 308 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: family's pretty close, but it still wasn't easy because we 309 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: just have really different opinions about about the pandemic. One 310 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: of my brothers, he's been saying for a year now, 311 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: his pandemic is over. He's not going to pay any 312 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: attention to it because recognizing it is like recognizing his 313 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: frailty or something like that. I got another brother who's 314 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: got a family and he's got a bunch of little 315 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: kids at home, and so for him, it's like, you know, 316 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: I want to be careful for my kids and stuff 317 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: like that. Everybody has a really different thing, but it's 318 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: not because it ties into all these deep family emotions. 319 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: And so part of the issue is the minute we 320 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: started negotiating it, then it's like my brother never listened 321 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: to me in the first place, or my brother's like, 322 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: you know, I don't I want to say it on 323 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: the line here, but I'll say, you know, it just 324 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: it ties into all the different things. So initially it 325 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: was a quite hard conversation. And really you know that. 326 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean I just got here literally three minutes before 327 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: we started talking, and I made them all leave so 328 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: that I could not wear a mask while we talked. 329 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: But I will say, asked me in a week like, 330 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: if I have COVID, then it wasn't worth it. But 331 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: if I don't whatever, then it was worth it. But 332 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: I will say, it's just it's a lot of negotiation. 333 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: And what was helpful for me, I'll say this Number 334 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: one is that they are pretty clear CDC guidelines for 335 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: this stuff. So I use those very concretely. I mean, 336 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: it's very clear. You should get a PCR test if 337 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: you can before you go home. You should be really 338 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: conservative when you're going up by when you're going on 339 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: the plane, wear the mask as much as you can, 340 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: don't take it off in the airport. So Number one, 341 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: everybody should get tested, and that's true even if everybody's vaccinated. 342 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: Number Two, once you're in I like, my family refused 343 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: to do this, but I thought, let's get a PCR first, 344 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: and then we'll do a rapid test in the house 345 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: just to make double sure. But but nobody but they 346 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to do that, so I lost that one. 347 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: But that's what you should do. And then when you're home, 348 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people flying around and stuff 349 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: like that, I would say, you know, create your safety 350 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: bubble in your house. But the many you all go 351 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: to a restaurant and eat without masks on, you're kind 352 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: of blowing your safety bubble, which you can do in 353 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: your regular life. But when you're all together with your 354 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: family on the BIB on the holiday, maybe you don't 355 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: want to blow the safety bubble that way. So I 356 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: tell people, like, kind of eat at home as best 357 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: you can. Now if there are people like you know, 358 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: there's probably TMI. But my little niece has COVID. It's 359 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: so sad. She got it a school, and so so 360 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: she and her she and my other brother and their 361 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: family are quarantining. And so we're now going to see 362 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: them outside. Everybody's going to be masked. Everybody's going to 363 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: be like masked, you know, out the wazoo, and then 364 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: we're going to we've arranged a place where we can 365 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: kind of see them at a distance outside. So you know, 366 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: this is kind of like what you do. You're resilient, 367 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: you work around it. But i'd say the main thing 368 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: you don't want is COVID in your house when you're 369 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: home for the holidays. And the main reason is because 370 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: then you're stuck there for two weeks with your family quarantining, 371 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: and so definitely do everything you can to avoid that part. So, Jonathan, 372 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: you were talking to us about some of the decisions 373 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: that your family had made in order to try and 374 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: come together in the safest way possible, and you were 375 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: mentioning the fact that your niece has gotten COVID from school, 376 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: and that your brother was you know, and the family 377 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: is quarantining, and so how are you how are you 378 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: dealing with that? Will they be joining or is it 379 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: not happening at all? Because it's going to be over quarantine, 380 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: and so you'll do some type of zoom or something 381 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: like that. Well, we're in Colorado, and they they already 382 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: live in Colorado, they have their own house here, so 383 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: we are already separate, right, So the main thing is 384 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: we're not in the same house. And then what we 385 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: decided is the kids are quarantining separately. My brother and 386 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: his wife. They are gonna they're playing it safe and 387 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: they're they're going to have two successive tests just to 388 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: make sure that they're they're negative. And at that point 389 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: we're all going to go meet outside and we've decided 390 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: to go on a hike or something. We're going to 391 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: social distance and everyone's going to wear a mask. And 392 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: so even though they are probably still carriers, as I 393 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: was saying before we got disconnected there, the key is 394 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: really flexibility and resilience. It's not like because they're you know, 395 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: we've all probably walked by a zillion people who have COVID. 396 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: The question is where does that happen? Right, You don't 397 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: want it to be in a restaurant when you're eating 398 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: next to them and your mouth is opened. But what 399 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna do is we're gonna see them at a 400 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: distance outside. Now it's gonna be hard. My nieces are 401 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: really cute, and you know it's gonna that part. It's 402 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: gonna be hard. But I think what we're doing is 403 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: we're just trying to come up with ad. That's my 404 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: mom's Sirie. Okay, put a put a cap in it there, Sirie, 405 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: thank you. This stuff happens when your parents go home. 406 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: So that was hilarious. What is happening here? It's my 407 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: fairit day of like everything automated around here, you know, 408 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: like bubbly. If I say one thing, like the vacuum 409 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: cleaner is gonna the robot vacuum cleaner is gonna come 410 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: get me. But anyway, the point I was going to make, 411 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: and I think everybody shuld keep this in mind, is 412 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: it's good to play it safe around the holidays because 413 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: they're two bad outcomes. One is you get sick and 414 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: people get sick and you passed around, and if your 415 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: relatives are elderly, they're at higher risk. But the second 416 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: risk is if you get sick, you're stuck quarantining in 417 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 1: your family house for two weeks. You're stuck here, and 418 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: so that's another good reason to play it safe. You know. 419 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: It's really interesting because I want to go back to 420 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: what you said initially with one of your brothers, who 421 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: was just like I'm done, right, Like I'm over it, 422 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: and you know, the sentiment really is. And I think 423 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: that a lot of Americans, even those that are vaccinated 424 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: that received the booster, you know, are done and are 425 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: not thinking about getting the PCR tests of a rapid 426 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: test before they head home for the holidays. Maybe, but 427 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: I can tell you that I remember last year this time, 428 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: I stood in line at the local city MD here 429 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn for six hours, six hours in order to 430 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: get a test. And I will never get that time 431 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: in my life back. But that is how hyper vigilant 432 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: so many people were in the city, having come off 433 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: the trauma of being you know, the epicenter for COVID 434 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: that they were like, I want to spend the holidays together. 435 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: I want to do this, but I want to be 436 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: as safe as possible. You know. It's like, how do 437 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: you feel like we reorient people particularly around this holiday 438 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: time and as this is going to be the first engagement. 439 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: Then we have Hanukkah, then we have Christmas, we have Quanta, 440 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: we have all of these other things that are coming, 441 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: and then we have New Year's How do we reorient 442 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: people around safety measures without like them just rebuffing right 443 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: and being like no, I'm done. How Like, what are 444 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: some tips you think that we can offer to people 445 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: that are just like, yes, we know that we're exhausted, 446 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: we know that we weren't together last year, but like, 447 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: in order to continue on this path of like re 448 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: engaging with each other, these are the things that we 449 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: need to do. Yeah, that's a hard one. I mean, 450 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, because all this is happening not just while 451 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: we join right, we reconnect. It's also that it's actually 452 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: a pretty weird time for the pandemic. I don't know 453 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: if people saw this, but the cases I've gone up 454 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: thirty percent in the last ten days. So we're gearing 455 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: up for another search and people are traveling all around 456 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: and there are places that have been going down for 457 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: the past couple of months which now are going back 458 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: up again. Tennessee, where I live is one example, but 459 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: that's going to be a lot of places. And then 460 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: also globally, there are some real warning signs in Europe 461 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: were usually about a month behind Europe, but places that 462 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: you would never think we're going to go back into 463 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: lockdown or going to see major surges. Germany had been 464 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: doing well, Austria had been doing well, Scandinavia had been 465 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: doing really well. And now a lot of those places 466 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: are going back into lockdown. You know, it's very complicated 467 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: because they're seeing surges. And so what does a surge 468 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: tell you? Well, first of all, you know this thing 469 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: is very psychical. Second of all, you know, when people 470 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: are doing kind of the same thing and the cases 471 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: go up, I think, is there some kind of mutation 472 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: where this thing is becoming more infectious? But something's happening 473 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: right now, and so now is actually a time where 474 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: people should be more careful. But again, as I was 475 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: saying before, there are ways to be more careful and 476 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: also see your family, Like I plan on just locking 477 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: myself in my childhood room and having them hand me 478 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: the food under the door and stuff like that. No, 479 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying you can be safe, you know, find outdoor things. 480 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: I mean, the same rules really apply. You know, the 481 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: same rules really apply. But again it's just like the 482 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: time to say, which I cannot. I could not disagree 483 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: with people who say this more I'm done, Like, yeah, 484 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: that's easy for you to say, and maybe you're done, 485 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: but the virus isn't done with us. And also when 486 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: you make a claim like that, what if you get 487 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: it and pass it to somebody else? Right, so you 488 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: can say you're done, But when you're seeing a lot 489 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: of people on congregating, you're making a decision for them, 490 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: which seems to be unfair. You know, it was funny 491 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: because I'm glad that you brought up what is happening 492 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: in New Europe because I did want to touch upon 493 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: that because I was reading the reports on Austria going 494 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: into lockdown for three weeks. Germany's chancellor has announced that 495 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: that is not going to be the case, but that 496 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, of course, once again we're making the correlation 497 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: between keeping people safe and the economy, and you know, 498 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: they're talking about the fact that if Germany and others 499 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: were to go back into said quarantine the way that 500 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: Austria is going to do that, the you that Europe 501 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: would go back into a recession, like it wouldn't even 502 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: like it wouldn't even take but a few weeks in 503 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: order for that to happen. And so you know, what 504 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: are the things like? And again, Americans do not pay 505 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: a lot of attention to what is happening outside of 506 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: our own communities, let let alone outside of our own 507 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: states and outside of the country. And so talk to 508 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: us about again. And I'm bringing this up, you know, 509 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: during this holiday season, because I think that it's important. 510 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: It's an important reminder and I would be remiss if 511 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, have you on to talk about 512 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: the ways in which we need to continue to keep 513 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: ourselves safe. But are the what are the things that 514 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: we should be paying attention to when we're reading these 515 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: stories about what's happening in Europe and in other places 516 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: that are anticipating or are in the midst of a 517 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: fourth wave. Well, I think three things are important. One, 518 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: as I said, is we tend to lag about a 519 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: month behind Europe. So whatever's happening there is going to 520 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: be happening here. That's number one. Number two is again 521 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: I think I always pay attention when people generally behave 522 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: the same way socially and cases go up, it tells 523 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: you that something might have might have changed with the 524 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: virus or scenes anality or something like that. But there's 525 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: some change happening. Were things that people you know that 526 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: we're safe for people a while ago, all of a 527 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: sudden are not safe anymore. So that's number two is 528 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: to be on guard. And I would say number three 529 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: is it's it's still not a mystery. It's not a mystery. Right, 530 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: there's great research out of South Korea right now. For example, 531 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: when everybody wears a mask, you it's ninety three percent effective. Right, 532 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: So the things we know, the things right if you, 533 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: if you mask, if everybody's masking, if we do a 534 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: little bit of social distancing, all those kind of things, 535 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: we will we will defeat this thing, right. It's it's 536 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: just that it's harder to do that. But I would 537 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: say that, you know, it's not like there's going to 538 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: be different public health advice like the bubblic health is 539 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: a device is going to be the same. So it 540 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: really is a chance for people to start to double down. 541 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: And again, right now is the time because we're seeing 542 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: cases go up and and I can guarantee you two 543 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: weeks from now, it's going to be much much more 544 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: serious than any even is now. Switching gears from COVID 545 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: for a moment and talking about the other anxiety that 546 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: people have, which is gathering with family members that are politically, 547 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, disaligned with you. But you know, again it's 548 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: been a year since many families have gathered in mass. 549 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: What advice do you have for people that are going 550 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: to be seen, you know, to protect their mental health? 551 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: Right like this and this is this is truly for me. 552 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: What this is about is like, you know, you recognize 553 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: that folks are family, but you also recognize that our 554 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: political climate has thrust people into various types of tribalism, 555 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: has you know, pitted you know, families that are in 556 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: the same home or against one another, and so not 557 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: to feed into the kind of misery that we are 558 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: seeing it happen in Congress and in the political narrative. 559 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: What advice do you have for people who maybe face 560 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: to face with that uncle or that aunt, or that 561 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: grandparent or that sister or that brother. Um that is 562 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: ideologically a post right And I'm not talking about those 563 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: that are rabid, right, that are you know, fighting beating 564 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: up school board members or you know, picketing in front 565 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: of hospitals. I'm talking about those that are seemingly still 566 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, fairly normal ishm but are not as aligned 567 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: as you may be. Well as a professional, I think 568 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with drinking as much as you possibly can, 569 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: if if you have to roofe yourself to get through 570 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: the holidays. Okay, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I forgot Yeah, okay, sorry, 571 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: let's start that over. But I will say it's funny 572 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: because I've been having a lot of debates with very 573 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: very conservative people recently and my tack recently, and it's 574 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: probably working on relatives too, who knows, But the tack 575 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: I've been doing recently is to say, Okay, look, we've 576 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: identified the problem. Let's see how we can concretely solve it. 577 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: Now the words don't tell me if I'm an idiot, 578 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: or don't tell me if I'm good or bad, and 579 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: I won't do the same for you. How could we 580 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: concretely solve the problem. So I'm trying to shift from 581 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: diagnosis and finger pointing, which everybody's doing these days, to like, like, 582 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: what strategies, what policies, what investments do we need to 583 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: make to solve the problem. So I'm trying to shift 584 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: all these conversations to concrete problem solving as a way 585 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: of thinking, like, hey, look, we're tired of fighting with 586 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: each other, we don't agree, let's come up with a 587 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: model for how to fix the problem. And it's so far, 588 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: so good. Well again, ask me in a week. But 589 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: I would say that that's been my approaches. Let's let's 590 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: switch to solutions and not debate things that we know 591 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: we're going to be troubling for us, you know, because 592 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: I think, you know, to a lot of families, you know, 593 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: you grew up saying we're not going to talk about religion, 594 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about politics, we're not going 595 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: to talk about these impolite topics at the dinner table 596 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: as way to kind of, you know, keep the peace. 597 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: But what I found, especially during the rise of Trump 598 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: and Trumpism, is that maybe if we had had more 599 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: of these discussions and they were concrete and they were 600 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: oriented around, you know, what can be done and what 601 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: should be done with the pressing problems that we have, 602 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: then maybe it wouldn't have caught us off guard. Maybe 603 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: a Trump like figure wouldn't have been able to rise, 604 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: and maybe that silent quote unquote majority that they always 605 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: talked about wouldn't have felt they need to to need 606 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: to grasp on to such a lies and so you know, avoidance, 607 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: to my point, shouldn't be your reaction. Right. So it's like, 608 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't want people to be like, oh, I'm going 609 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: to go to this dinner and I'm going to stuff 610 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: my beliefs and my feelings and my emotions down, because 611 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: I think that that's detrimental. Yeah, and you can you 612 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: can also say, like, I agree with you that this 613 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: is a problem. In fact, we all face this problem 614 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: COVID or violence, Steven. I mean, there was a report 615 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: in DC this morning about gun violence in DC, like 616 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: things that are really charged. I agree with you, this 617 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: is a problem, but I'm also I think part of 618 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: our nation's tired of fighting. Right now, let's come up 619 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: with some concrete steps. Let's start thinking about how to 620 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: fix these things. And I agree with you. We we've 621 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: gotten in debates, I mean even you know, I mean 622 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: a lot of this is being formed because people want 623 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: us to disagree with each other. A part of this 624 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: is that there's a hate industrial complex that's driving all this, 625 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: and a lot of it is because we're debating things. 626 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, critical race theory is a great example, like 627 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: theoretical things that are diagnostic without talking about like, Okay, look, 628 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: we think racism is a terrible problem. Let's talk even 629 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: though you've made you don't agree with critical race theory, 630 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: how can we solve how can we solve inequity? Let's 631 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: talk about structural issues. So that's kind of my approach 632 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: when when you know, you know that hopefully that will work. 633 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: But again, let's see how that lasts through the holiday. 634 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: But at this point, I'm just tired and I'm tired 635 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: of arguing, and I would rather talk about solution that 636 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: keep litigating the same points about how you name it 637 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: wokeness on doubt. No, I mean I think that that's right. 638 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people are tired, and 639 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: I want folks to utilize the time that you're spending 640 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: with families, with friends that may not be politically aligned, 641 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: to actually have real conversations, not arguments, not debates, because 642 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: I do think that we're tired. I think that we're 643 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: emotionally spent. I speak a lot on woke a f 644 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: about using time to reset and recharge, and sometimes it's 645 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: really difficult to do that around family, particularly those with 646 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: fraught relationships with family. But I do think that there's 647 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: an opportunity here, you know, to have conversations that are 648 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: solution oriented, that are those that are steeped in not 649 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: pointing fingers and not name calling and not doing the 650 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: things that we're seeing elected officials do right and say 651 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: that we want something that is different. Ways to do 652 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: that too. I mean, you can say, let's say that 653 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: you're right, or I can see some parts, I can 654 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: see some truth in what you're saying, and I can 655 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: certainly see the validity. You're okay, you want to validate somebody, 656 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: And then if you're talking to my brothers, you have 657 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: to say and also that you are probably the most 658 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: brilliant person in the world, So you know, some kind 659 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 1: of flummery and then you say, but let's just take 660 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: that you're right, Um, what's the solution. How can we 661 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: work together on the solution, Because the solution is going 662 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: to impact you and it's going to affect me. What 663 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: would the solution be and let's start to build that 664 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,479 Speaker 1: from the ground up or something like that. So start 665 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: with start with some kind of affirmation, throwing some random 666 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: bs you don't agree with this just in my family, 667 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: and then and then really get as concrete as possible. 668 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's actually a lot easier to 669 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: talk about, Well would it work, What would the outcome 670 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: be if we invest it there? What would it mean 671 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: to create structurally competent healthcare clinics in endour serve areas? 672 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: How can we really solve you know, I mean even 673 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: even ideological and stuff like if wokeness is a problem. 674 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's when my parents love to talk about 675 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: these days. Let's just fine, what is the problem? How 676 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: can we fix it? And things like that. Jonathan, I 677 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: always appreciate you, particularly as we head into this holiday season, 678 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: to remind us of the importance of staying safe, staying 679 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: sane so that we can continue to gather and rejoin 680 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: you know, our families in mass in a way that 681 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: makes us all happy right at the end of the day, 682 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: and staying safe. Then having these really difficult conversations are 683 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: the way that I think that we're going to move forward. So, 684 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: as always, thank you so much for making the time 685 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 1: for us during this holiday season to join woke af 686 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: We appreciate you as always. Power to the people and 687 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke 688 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: as fuck.