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Speaker 1: Right now, the SMP five hundred index down a point

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Speaker 1: nine percent. I'm Charlie Pello. That's a Bloomberg Business Flash.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Taking Stock with pin Box on Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Will they or won't they? Will the Federal Reserve a

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Speaker 1: raise interest rates one time this year twice this year? Well,

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Speaker 1: what is the Federal Reserve going to do based on

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Speaker 1: votes in the UK to leave the European Union and

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Speaker 1: sluggish economic growth around the world. Well, let's find out

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Speaker 1: from Russ Coster. Achie's head of asset Allocation for black

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Speaker 1: Rocks Global Allocation Fund, helping the manage over four trillion dollars,

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Speaker 1: joins us from San Francisco, Russ Coster, which thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for being with us. All right, so give us

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Speaker 1: your outlook for the Federal reserves policy. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: bit difficult at this point. Really, what it's about is uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean for the US economy? Arguably not much,

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Speaker 1: But if if things do get rougher in Europe, that

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Speaker 1: could affect consumer confidence, it could affect business confidence, and

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Speaker 1: I think the set is gonna want to sit back

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Speaker 1: that that really does seem to me as if you

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Speaker 1: going to take a while. Number One, markets will settle down, right,

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Speaker 1: But um, unless they're just mainly looking at financial contagion

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Speaker 1: that's gonna linger for a long time, and Kathleen, you're right,

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Speaker 1: many years to come. I think the way to frame

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Speaker 1: last labor market report we had was disappointing and suggested

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Speaker 1: But at this point it still needs to be proven.

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Speaker 1: Russ Costrich. If you're talking to people that invest in equities,

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Speaker 1: which has been the major performer. Well, I think you

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Speaker 1: Because Dave Wilson are stocks that made then the simple

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Speaker 1: RUSS anything to do with hard assets. So you mentioned

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Speaker 1: two tens thirty two points at seventeen thousand, eight eighty

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Speaker 1: six s and P five hundred down about a tenth

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Speaker 1: two and a half points at twenty ninety seven. The

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Speaker 1: Nasdaq is up a third of a point sixteen to

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Speaker 1: forty eight seventy five. This is Bloomberg