WEBVTT - How to Fight Fair

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down Michael Colin and I'm her radio podcast. Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up grass? Uh? So, before we just came on here,

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<v Speaker 1>I told Easton, I said I have a new song

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<v Speaker 1>coming for you, and he was just like woo, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was I mean, I'm losing my mind. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I was gonna play a little snippet and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, well, let's press play and then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do a little D D sneak. But this is like

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<v Speaker 1>the old so I have I have about um probably

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<v Speaker 1>like a million songs that I haven't cut from the past,

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<v Speaker 1>and this this is the one song that I have

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted to cut and I never have. UM. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to be the slow It's just gonna be.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is so. This is before this me singing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is before I got a record deal. Get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for it. This is how much I love the song.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you describe this as a bob It's a slow bop.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nothing, yep, little sneak peak, little sneak peak. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we no, because they're just gonna have to wait. No,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just gonna have to wait. Decent, I'll send it

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<v Speaker 1>to you. At least you have it but it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be It's gonna be a lot in that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that rips as it is like if you go faster,

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<v Speaker 1>I might I might explode. But it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good little love, a little love song. But no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a song that I wrote my old producer that UM

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<v Speaker 1>I used to work with at the label, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, am I allowed to cut an old song

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys passed on? And he was like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like cool, thanks got the green light. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cutting that. So new music is on the way,

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<v Speaker 1>east On. Just so when do you think we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to add that to our playlists and everything? When's

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<v Speaker 1>that going to hit shelves? I'm thinking April, maybe March.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's soon. Yeah, I'm excited for I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to play it at the l Ray Theater

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<v Speaker 1>show right, Yes, I am, which we're coming to hey

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<v Speaker 1>Easton actually, so wind downs going on the road. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to Texas the first UM the first week of March.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing UM San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Dallas and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a lot of fun and you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's not recorded, but we just hang out we just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interact with people, and at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, I sing. But we're also at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of March, coming to Sacramento in Los Angeles and Easton.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like to pay a guest? I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to be a dream come true. Thank you. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>could even have like an Eastern duet. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was just wondering if I should buy

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket or not. I was like, can I get

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you got me on the list for the

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<v Speaker 1>House of Blues and you were so nice to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't want to assume that I can get

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<v Speaker 1>that going forward. Jane, I'm about to buy a ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would I would be so honored to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of the show. Thank you so much, Well everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I should definitely then go to Janna Cramber dot com

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<v Speaker 1>to get their wine down tickets to also see Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>at the l Ray Theater. Mark would come, but he, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's past his hest kids, right. Oh yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like going places and doing things. You're like me on

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<v Speaker 1>a regular basis, Yeah, exactly. Um, do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>new bop coming out? Mike? Uh No, I don't, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you sing all the time? I do sing all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which is funny. Someone actually, someone just asked me recently,

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<v Speaker 1>who was it. I don't remember. They're like, does Jane

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing all the time like at home? And uh

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, Actually, I'm the one that sings

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<v Speaker 1>all the time and I have a terrible voice. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not true. You have a really good voice. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just but it's just funny that the people that like

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<v Speaker 1>you that can sing and do professionally don't sing at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Described Ken, it's I don't know, platinum selling singles. Gay, Okay, okay, anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on? N handle the compliment, okay, Michigan right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just think it's funny that the people that

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<v Speaker 1>can't sing are the ones that are singing, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that actually can don't at home. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's bop is right now? Mark, since you said Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Michaels were all obsessed with the Greatest Showman soundtrack, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean him and Jolie. Oh I love it, like so

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<v Speaker 1>good the amount of time, so good that they're running

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<v Speaker 1>around the house doing like singing those songs, which what's

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite one that you always sing? Come Alive is great?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Greatest Showman's um, the one between zac

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<v Speaker 1>Afron and Hugh Jackman enough his Fantastic Sick that's like

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<v Speaker 1>the ballad when Julie hangs on the railing on the stairs,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you did this spin where he wiped out

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<v Speaker 1>the other night. Doing it was what I would have

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<v Speaker 1>given to have, Like my phone, I wear my socks

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like doing power slides and moonwalk and

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<v Speaker 1>all over the the kitchen and stuff. And I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I have to ice my knee every time I'm

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<v Speaker 1>done dancing because we just go at it and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Jason's like spinning around walking back where it's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to moonwalk. It's so cute. He'll spin and then turn

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<v Speaker 1>around and like walk back where it's like he's been walking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. My kids went through a Greatest Showman Face two,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't nearly as long as the Frozen Face,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted it to keep going. It shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>ended because I'm with Mike. I love that entire soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 1>The other side is the one you're referring to because

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<v Speaker 1>it got to be sad. As a former professional athlete,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not as ice as knee. I've been dancing to

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<v Speaker 1>a huge Jackman songs. It's so bad. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I told Janna too after I saw this movie, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed with a soundtrack. I know Janna and I

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<v Speaker 1>had this discussion before, but I love the bringing up

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<v Speaker 1>with all of us right now. And I'll go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll start by by answering my own question because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm that excited about it. So, if there's any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of genre movie, what kind of movie would you like

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<v Speaker 1>to be? In mind before anyone goes is I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to be in any kind of military like Lone

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<v Speaker 1>survivor Thirteen Hours, any kind of type of military, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>shooting shoot him up, a movie like that. Or my

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<v Speaker 1>second we're doing we're doing it like I'm just I

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<v Speaker 1>just have to say this. My second, on the complete

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<v Speaker 1>opposite side of the spectrum, is to be in like

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest Showman type musical movie with dance numbers and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. I would love it that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>one of your best friends is one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>casting in directors in Hollywood, So it's like, just just

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<v Speaker 1>tell them that's what you want to do, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure I'll put you in one of those movies. This

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<v Speaker 1>is true, And if you don't mind having like your

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<v Speaker 1>wife like on like where's the hook? I'm here? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's cool. So I think that's pretty neat. Yeah, Eastern,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear yours next. Oh man, Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>too love musicals. I would love to be I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to. I would love to say I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to sing a dance, That's all I want. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd like to be in a superhero movie. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like I'd like to put on a super suit

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<v Speaker 1>and fly around and blow up bad guys. And I

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<v Speaker 1>could see you being in like a dead Pool. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to. I would love to be a met

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<v Speaker 1>a superhero. I'd love to break some fourth walls, you know, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm real curious to know what yours is. I think

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<v Speaker 1>i'd like to be in like a sports movie, like

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball player in a sports movie. I think that'd

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty neat because that's a fantasy of mine because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do anything athletically, like literally nothing really, and

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<v Speaker 1>growing up I would go out for literally because I

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<v Speaker 1>love baseball with such a passion and I was always

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<v Speaker 1>the one of the through in right field and bad

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<v Speaker 1>and laughs, because I couldn't hit the ball. I was

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<v Speaker 1>so bad. But on a movie that I could be amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that interesting. I love it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>take a guest, guys, what do you think? I know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer Eastern Mark. Well, this is where because you're

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<v Speaker 1>an actual actress in movies. But I've never been in

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<v Speaker 1>a certain type of movie. I've always wanted to be in.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, you're a You're a big city girl that

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<v Speaker 1>goes home to a small I've done five thousand of Who,

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand and one, I got another one coming soon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that it's not a romantic. If I could

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<v Speaker 1>go back, it would be. Well, there's two things since

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<v Speaker 1>Mike did too. The first one is pride and prejudice.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to Mr Darcy so bad. Well, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. A period like what a dream like Dreamboat?

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<v Speaker 1>That movie is just my everything. And honestly, for the

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<v Speaker 1>longest time, I was like, where's my Mr Ducie right here?

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<v Speaker 1>And so then and then um, I kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>to play like remember that movie with Ben Affleck and

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<v Speaker 1>Blake Lively. Oh my gosh, I'm forgetting the movie now

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<v Speaker 1>where she's like a total drug the town. I would

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<v Speaker 1>want to be Blake Lively in the town drug addicted,

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I think it'd be just like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>trash and I just want to just I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be I want to be Alex from One Tree Hill

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<v Speaker 1>on like steroids it. Yeah, so that's I mean, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to see that. I think that would be fun

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<v Speaker 1>or or or and he it was like times, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know about time that was so good with Rachel mcgadhams.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to I just would like to work.

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<v Speaker 1>I told I told Janna this, and this is I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Janna sells herself short when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>her capabilities as an actress. And I was watching this

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<v Speaker 1>uh behind the scenes thing on john Wick three and

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<v Speaker 1>where Halle Berry was being interviewed and just watching how

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<v Speaker 1>Hallie Berry go through the training and everything. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just Janna And I told you after I saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you need to put yourself out there,

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<v Speaker 1>get out of your comfort zone because you're hard working.

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<v Speaker 1>Dedication when you are into something or like on a

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<v Speaker 1>on a project or on a job is so intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you would kick ass in that training, you would

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<v Speaker 1>kick ass in the physical you know, requirements needed for

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<v Speaker 1>a role like that, and you can be very intimidating.

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<v Speaker 1>Your little cute self can be very intimidating. I've seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was like, you can do that stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really think you should. You should try. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>anytime my agents sent me like a cop, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>nol pass because I just feel so silly to be

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<v Speaker 1>like put him up or if you do like that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like like I know that if I was on set

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<v Speaker 1>and I was in the costume and I had the gun,

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<v Speaker 1>like I could be badass, but in the audition, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like put them up, put him up, put them up,

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<v Speaker 1>freeze crazy. Every every person should be acting with be

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<v Speaker 1>like all right, here's a face mask. It's a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of my husband. Wear this. Stop stop. Like we said

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<v Speaker 1>in therapy, were not going to make jokes. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>making jokes, so you can that. I can't. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not making jokes out here. We go and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>taking a turn. No one that everybody. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>fun game like that. Um oh, I'm really excited. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a really really cool guest on today. UM. Her

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<v Speaker 1>name is Susan Stiffleman, and she's a badass. Um for

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<v Speaker 1>over thirty years, Susan has worked with families to create

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<v Speaker 1>greater harmony and deeper connection between parents and children, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is awesome. And then I was on her

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<v Speaker 1>website to an Eckhart Toll Lana's Marsett like they've all

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<v Speaker 1>get just like saying her praises so um. She's got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of great books out there to parenting without

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<v Speaker 1>power struggles raising joyful, resilient kids while staying cool, calm

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<v Speaker 1>and connected like hella um. So I'm excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to her. Should we take an email before we talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Susan? Oh? I love it. Early email, early email.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see Janet has issues in the bedroom. Janet says,

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<v Speaker 1>actually said, it's very nice things at the top here

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd like to share with you. She says, Hey girl,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge fan. I've loved you since One Tree Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>I have fallen in love with your podcast. They're so

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<v Speaker 1>informative and funny and make my day. That's sweet. That's

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<v Speaker 1>very sweet. Anyway, thank you, she says. Okay, So when

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<v Speaker 1>my husband and I started dating, I wanted sex more

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<v Speaker 1>than him, and over the years the roles have reversed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he wants it way more than me. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a sixteen year old and a three year old, and

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<v Speaker 1>I work a full time job, and at night I

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<v Speaker 1>rock my son to sleep. That's like our mommy and

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<v Speaker 1>sun time, and then I lay him down, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to clean up toys. And then by the

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<v Speaker 1>time I get to bed, all I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is sleep. I love, love, love my husband. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what to do, so I can relate on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides. Having said that, I feel like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>that tired, because I get it. At the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, it's so tiring, but if it's been longer

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<v Speaker 1>than a certain period, you just gotta do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's just my It's just just like your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>is work. That involves work in the bedroom too. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you want to have the conversations and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to fight, you don't want to have

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<v Speaker 1>the deep, drawn out conversations. But that's kind of like sex.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't really want to have sex, but you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do it because it's part of it's part of the relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a part of what. But I'm just saying like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a part of what the man needs. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>part of whether you want to or not. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like you just have to give a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Yeah, but is that I mean, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's a very I mean, husbands are nodding their

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<v Speaker 1>head and they're thrilled with that answer. But is that

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<v Speaker 1>the right answer? Is it the right today? Whatever? I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard some women say that if you want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>your man happy, give it to him whenever he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that, not whenever. I don't think whenever,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that beats a dead horse. Like especially,

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be giving something that you don't want whenever

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<v Speaker 1>he wants. It's just a hey if whatever they come

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<v Speaker 1>up with, maybe how what what is enough for for him?

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<v Speaker 1>Or that's also okay for her, Like hey, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it every week, but I could do

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<v Speaker 1>it every two weeks. You know that way, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of have this agreement. Doesn't make it as

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<v Speaker 1>fun and as romantic, but when you get that far

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<v Speaker 1>into marriage, it's kind of like all right, but then

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<v Speaker 1>also do fun ways to spice it up, like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>if he would not do it so um routine, like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if or maybe she'd want to do it too,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe not the end of the day, like maybe hey,

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<v Speaker 1>a little like lunch call, fun time. That's what I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking. Has changed up the time a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes first thing in the morning, before the kids

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<v Speaker 1>wake up, might be a better option because for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>or yeah, maybe middle of the day, somehow you can

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<v Speaker 1>make it happen. That's probably a better idea, only because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like whatever he wants, you know, if he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to do it, you know, I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't feel it's it kind of feels wrong to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that too. I agree with it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not whenever he wants, but there are times get a timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost feel like, and then discuss that. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think, Mike, I think, Uh. The way I received

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<v Speaker 1>your point was I liked the comparison to just like,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to have conversations and talk about problems and

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<v Speaker 1>conflict in in marriage, in relationships, that's part of a

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<v Speaker 1>necessity that you have to do um and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sex is part of the physical connection intimacy of relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just like Janna said, that takes work as

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<v Speaker 1>well as everything else intellectually and emotionally. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things you got to consider that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not something where it should just be taking

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<v Speaker 1>off the table like I'm just too tired for a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't you understand I'm tired. But eventually you have

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<v Speaker 1>to I don't have to do anything, but you should.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you should want to connect with your partner,

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<v Speaker 1>you should want to please them and do those things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just part of It's just part of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of marriage, is part of work, working on

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship. I mean, yeah, it's just funny because when

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to an errand my trainer has been

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<v Speaker 1>so open about her sex life and how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she even said it on our podcast that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have sex a lot to every like six months

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. And in you know, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, what is that? What is that lack

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<v Speaker 1>of intimacy than due to the relationship or is it okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just what works for them, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that is just what works for both of them, which

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<v Speaker 1>is far Yeah, which is totally fine, But I think

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<v Speaker 1>just figuring out what works for each other where that

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<v Speaker 1>the girl isn't just compromising or the guy isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>compromising like himself? Like kind of too your part point

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<v Speaker 1>where you were saying Mark, you know, not having to

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<v Speaker 1>compromise like no one's kneeds are put above somebody else's right. Yeah, interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have another one before season clo. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see. Kelsey has some suggestions for us. So, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>she heard you talking to Joe Frost super Nanny, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the you mentioned your issues with night training,

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<v Speaker 1>potty training at night, w a pain in the acctive

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<v Speaker 1>to change the sheets at three am. Well, she has

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<v Speaker 1>a hack for you. She says, all you need a

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<v Speaker 1>two mattress protectors and two fitted sheets. Just make the

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<v Speaker 1>bed twice as it were. Then when an action occurs,

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<v Speaker 1>you stumble into your child's room half asleep. You strip

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<v Speaker 1>the first layer away and behold, the second layer is

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<v Speaker 1>already there, nice and clean and dry. Hope this helps,

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<v Speaker 1>and still give me a shout out. Shout out Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>and the other one. She wanted to mention her favorite

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<v Speaker 1>Birds and the Bees book. Her daughter is five and

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<v Speaker 1>she is the most educated and informed for her age.

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<v Speaker 1>The book explains where babies come from in an age

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate manner. It's called It's Not the Stork, a book

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<v Speaker 1>about girls, boys, babies, bodies and friends. Interesting. I like

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<v Speaker 1>the double sheet thing. I never really thought about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually I just put down those crab protector squares. But

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<v Speaker 1>I like the double the double sheet crib or mattress protector.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of great. And like the princess and the piece,

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<v Speaker 1>she just gets higher and higher and higher. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that you do. You know it's your go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>That that double sheet thing. I just it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks since I've went the bed, but the

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<v Speaker 1>that double sheet thing went viral on the internet a

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<v Speaker 1>couple like six months ago. It was like, hey, if

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<v Speaker 1>you hate doing laundry, you hate making your bed, just

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<v Speaker 1>like put like three or four sheets down, then when

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<v Speaker 1>one gets dirty, you take it off and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're good to go. Like you do it in advance.

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<v Speaker 1>But my personal opinion is I think bodily fluids can

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<v Speaker 1>soak through. I don't think when sheet is going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the job, Well, that's the mattress protector. That's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still against it. I'm still against The man is spoken,

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<v Speaker 1>he's against it. So they were saying to do that

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<v Speaker 1>like as adults, like just put on multiple fittage adults.

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<v Speaker 1>What about pellow cases. Yeah, this person doesn't seem to care.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's the worst of it for me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those other sheets are are just as offensive. I think. Hey, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>question for you, Yes, where have you guys gone? And

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<v Speaker 1>the family vacation? Um? We The hard thing for us

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<v Speaker 1>is that all of my wife's family, and she has

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<v Speaker 1>a large family, and they're all in Wisconsin, and so

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<v Speaker 1>whenever we have an opportunity to take time off, we

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much go to Wisconsin. We've also visited and visited

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<v Speaker 1>my sister in Seattle. As far as straight up family vacations,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been few and far between. But we've done San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego a bunch of times. And gosh, is that it?

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<v Speaker 1>That's sad? If that's it, Sorry, I didn't like we

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<v Speaker 1>did Mexico was part of Arta once. Yeah, there's not

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot because when we have time off, we

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<v Speaker 1>had to Wisconsin. And it's also tough being down here

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<v Speaker 1>in the lower corner of the country. It's like Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego, San Francisco. Otherwise you got a long trip

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of you. And now that's what we were kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm starting to have anxiety just from the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of like stuff that's pilot on this year, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hate being away from the kids. Like I I personally

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<v Speaker 1>like to travel with the kids. Mike doesn't like to

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<v Speaker 1>travel with the kids. Um, and so it's that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of battle but between us both because I I I

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<v Speaker 1>personally would like to bring them on the tour and

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to, um, you know, maybe then stay

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<v Speaker 1>when we're in l A for a week or so

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<v Speaker 1>and have the kids here, and then I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can then go to the beach and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do some this, and and um, you know, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>more of like, you know, don't get the kids out

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<v Speaker 1>of the routine, which I understand. But then also I

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<v Speaker 1>have the I'm left with the mom guilt of being

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<v Speaker 1>away and being away so much and having to like

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<v Speaker 1>fly to things and not taking them with me. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just been like really really weighing on me. And

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<v Speaker 1>then so I was like, well, can we at least

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<v Speaker 1>plan a family vacation where it's just us for it's

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, going to Michigan or Virginia and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just I mean, it's just us for as a family

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<v Speaker 1>and we go somewhere and that way I have something

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<v Speaker 1>to almost look forward to in a way, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to have like this great quality time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so expensive to travel as a family. Four good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, but it's like the flights. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>even just planned our Fourth of July to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan and we had to cut costs and we're flying

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<v Speaker 1>one place and then running a car here to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a to be because I'm like, how like now

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<v Speaker 1>I see when my parents we didn't travel as much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so expensive and I just can't rationalize paying too

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<v Speaker 1>grand for airfare and then then the hotels and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like ten tho dollars for just a king room and

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<v Speaker 1>at Atlantis, like what, so, have any suggestions for a

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<v Speaker 1>nice family I'd like a beach, preferably um email the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with some great family vacation ideas Eastern what's our

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<v Speaker 1>email address? That's wine down And I hurt radio dot

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<v Speaker 1>Com because I really would like to do Atlantis, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's so expensive. It is And also came in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand not wanting to break the kids from the

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<v Speaker 1>routine because they have a hard time with that but

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<v Speaker 1>if you never ever break them from the routine, you're

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<v Speaker 1>never going to be able to break them. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be that much more traumatic because you're gonna have to someday.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they've never been broken of it, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a real hard time for that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but nope, nope, nope, nod. Also it's yes and or

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<v Speaker 1>yes also yes. Also, um My thing I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to buddy about a buddy of mine about it the

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<v Speaker 1>other day is when they're this young, they're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to remember the experience yet. I totally disagree with you, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such a great age. Yes, Jolie is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>be at that age. But it's depending on where we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, beach trip, cool, Disney World awesome, But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here's my Devil's overseas or out of the

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<v Speaker 1>country or anything like that. Like it's not they won't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>but when we travel, like we are capable of bringing

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<v Speaker 1>them with us for work, and right now they're not

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<v Speaker 1>in school. So in my mind, I'm like, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to then take them out when they're in school,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like then I'm going to have you being like,

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<v Speaker 1>well we can't miss any days of school and there

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<v Speaker 1>are attendants. So it's like, now is the time that

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<v Speaker 1>I can have that, that we can have that time

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<v Speaker 1>together with the kids, because in a year and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>Julie is going to be an elementary school and Joelie

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to be able to miss any days

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<v Speaker 1>of school. Because you know, I get that you're wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to be like strict about school, but right now, like

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<v Speaker 1>now is the time I'm gonna meet me now halfway

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, let's let them travel with us and

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and be a part of our routine and have to

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 1>make those memories. And yeah, Jason isn't going to remember,

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to remember having that time with him

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<v Speaker 1>and not being away and traveling so much. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see the pictures in the videos, which will at

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<v Speaker 1>least if they don't remember it, they'll think they do

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<v Speaker 1>because of all the pictures and videos. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>when we were kids. Damn you Mark exactly, you know,

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.399
<v Speaker 1>and it's like that time, like Jason, this is our

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<v Speaker 1>last kid, Like he's so precious and and Jolie's so

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>fun right now and in no time, literally in a

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 1>year and a half, she will be gone every single

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<v Speaker 1>day at school, every single day, and then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be working around her schedule to go on family vacations

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 1>because you don't want to take them out of school.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, and you make valid points. My question

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:02.280
<v Speaker 1>of that is, where's it come in when you know,

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like when we talk about finances and recently,

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>because this January wasn't as good as last January, you're

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<v Speaker 1>freaking out, and so we wanted to be very cost conscious.

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<v Speaker 1>Was understandable. But then when it comes to, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's travel with the kids and buy four tickets

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know, do all these things, it's like not

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal, like money still money. I totally hear

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you in valid point. In my mind, though, when it's

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<v Speaker 1>with the kids, I don't give a crap because I'm

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>with my babies. I'll pay the extra or whatever to

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<v Speaker 1>be with my babies because there you know that time

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<v Speaker 1>is so precious. And then I'll have I'm working and

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't have mom guilt like I have them with me.

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.360
<v Speaker 1>How cool is that? I don't even care. That's why

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even care about doing the airbnb for a

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>week and a half in l A, which we're all

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>doing now because dud like just like like just our

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.399
<v Speaker 1>nanny Kylie. She's even like, oh, She's like, hey, we

0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>should and we should try to, you know, convince dad.

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, honey, I'm already on it,

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like I'm already trying hie up in both the years,

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to be come on that that can we go

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>can go here? Can we go there? And then it's

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<v Speaker 1>like and I have to go back to Kyle and

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>be like he said no to the l A trip

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, damn it, Dad, But now I think

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I got you there with this whole school thing. You made.

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>You made a valid point of the school thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be more lenient moving forward after the l A

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 1>trip hashtag win. It's interesting you already know you're going

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>to have conflict over Janna wanting to pull them out

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 1>of school and Mike never wanted to because are I

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>already feel that? That's why I'm like, okay, now, then

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 1>give me it right now so that I then don't

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 1>I'll then respect you more with what you want, but

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>yet I won't pull you as much. I just love

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<v Speaker 1>having like Jolie was my road dog man. She was

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<v Speaker 1>with me since she was six weeks old on the

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<v Speaker 1>road on a bus, toured with me everywhere I went,

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>went to New York with me, strolling around, did dancing

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>the start like she was. She's she's like my roadie

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and I miss like I miss I miss having my

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>kids with me when I'm out doesn't feel it doesn't

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.479
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel as good. At what point? And this

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:16.919
<v Speaker 1>isn't this isn't directed towards you, This is just on

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<v Speaker 1>this general topic of discussion. I have a great point

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to this some so at what point and this is

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and Dr Stiffelman is ready and we can maybe touched

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>on this after. But my my question is, at what

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<v Speaker 1>point does it become selfish to want to bring them everywhere?

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I think they're experiencing new places. I talked to one

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of Rascal Flats's daughter, who was on the road since

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 1>she was a baby, and I pulled her aside when

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I saw her just a couple of months ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, how is it? I just want to know

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>it from your point of view, how is it growing

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 1>up on a bus? And she goes, it was the

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>coolest experience of my life. And she's like, I feel

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>like I'm more UM, I feel like I'm more mature.

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I've seen so many amazing places and she's and I

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, awesome, cool, thanks, that's what I needed to

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>How old is She's fifteen? Right, so she had some

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>formidable years where she was out on the road experiencing that. Right.

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>The kids aren't that old to be experiencing No, she was.

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>She started as a baby, so she grew up. She

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't really remember until she totally did. She thousand percent

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>remember every second of it. Okay, let's take a break

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>and talk to Dr Stiffleman. Okay, so excited. We have

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Susan Stiffleman on the phone. Hey Susan, Hi, fine, thanks,

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Thank

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming on our podcast. Um. But Susan,

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 1>you are a marriage and family therapist and even working

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>for over thirty years. Um, what do you have? Um? Like,

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>what's your background? How did you get into family therapy?

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I was actually a teacher first, and after being a

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 1>teacher for a long time, and I was always a

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a renegade, understanding that not every child work,

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of process or in took in information

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>in the same way and yet we were asking kids

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to sort of do the cookie cutter thing, And so

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I became more interested in alternative ways of learning and

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>processing and the various forms of intelligence. And that sort

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>of led me to see that a lot of kids

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>who are having trouble in academic ways showed up with

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>emotional issues or vice versa. Kids who are having emotional

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>issues might manifest it by having trouble with school or homework.

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>And so I ended up becoming a family therapist to

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>address both sides of the picture, both the emotional and

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>psychological as well as the more educational and academic. And

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 1>one thing led to another. I started to do workshops

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and found myself deciding that really parents could get further

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>with some of the ideas I was teaching if they

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>learned some of the strategy instead of sending me their

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>kids to be fixed. So um, that kind of led

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>me to doing workshops in the books and things like that. Um,

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I do you know, I have worked with children directly

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>for decades, but more commonly, I found that when you

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<v Speaker 1>help parents make some shifts in how they're approaching their

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>their kids, you know how they're coming, helping them come

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>alongside their kids rather than coming at them in a

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>more adversarial way and letting go of some of the

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>patterns that they inherited from their own childhood. That that

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you just get you know, everybody's happy, or kids are

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>more cooperative, parents who are more connected with their kids,

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and vice versa. Absolutely, And that brings me to a

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>question I wanted to ask Susan, is when you start

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<v Speaker 1>working with these parents, are many of them able to

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>acknowledge or realize the traits that they received from their parents?

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>And are they do they have these moments where like, oh,

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, like I'm acting like my dad or I'm

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>acting like my mom, or does that help them realize

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and kind of change that way. I love that you're

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>asking that because it's not the conventional approach, But I

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>do find that a lot of our own stuff gets

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>triggered and brought to the surface when we're parenting, you know.

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>So we might have swore up and down, I'm never

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>going to yell at my kids, I'm never going to

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>shame them, I'm never going to threaten them, I'm not

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>going to use bribes the way my parents did. And

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>then in the heat of the moment that you're doing

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.959
<v Speaker 1>the exact same thing, and you're almost watching yourself like

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>who is this person? What words are coming out of

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 1>my mouth? And yeah, And so when parents are kind

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>of open to understanding that we have so deeply internalized

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the the patterns and the approaches that our parents used

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>with us, then it takes some of the kind of

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>guilt and shame out of parenting, which I'm a huge

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>anti fan of, like we're so mean to ourselves when

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>we lose our way as parents, And in my community

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and my work, I'm really about kindness and understanding and compassion,

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>not only towards our kids, but towards ourselves off for

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of stumbling along here, especially when we have difficult childhood.

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>There's no way that it's not gonna manifest in one

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>moment or another when we're stressed or tired or or

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, overwhelmed. So it's really reassuring when parents are

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 1>open to the possibility that, yes, number one, they're doing

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 1>what their parents did to them even though they can't

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>believe it and they promised not to. And also that

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>um allowing that to just be so is the first

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>step to making some shifts and being more intentional about

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>doing it differently. What age do kids start to feel

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the tension between parents if there's conflict between the parents birth.

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>I think kids are incredibly tuned in to us. I

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>mean it's it's a survival mechanism for a child who's

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>dependent on their caregiver to look after them and meet

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>their needs. Given how helpless children are, you know, human

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>babies are that there's a heightened sense of awareness and attunement.

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Now the child, you know, one year old may not

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>say I sent a lot of tension between you and mommy,

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>but um, we have seen that kids do um absorb

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot and observe a lot. And it doesn't mean

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.239
<v Speaker 1>that parents shouldn't have conflict or fight. It's part of

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the dance, isn't it. But um, Sometimes, even in very

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>young children, if you if you and your partner have

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>just had an argument or things are a little rocky,

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and the child seems more distressed or or a little

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>more temperamental or crying more, and you think maybe there's

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>they've picked up on something, you can just say, sweetheart,

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, daddy and I love each other so much,

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and you know you might be feeling that we were

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a little impatient with each other today, even with a

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>child who's not going to process that verbally because they're

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.719
<v Speaker 1>too little. I think it's a great, great thing, just

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>setting a trajectory of we don't hide our feelings in

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>this family. We don't run from them or sweep them

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>under the rug. To say yes, sometimes being a grown

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>up or married or human is is a little bit

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of a rocky ride, and we'll be fine. And you know,

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>what you're feeling is what you're feeling, and we're not

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>pretending otherwise. Kids, then it's okay for them to see

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>bouts of conflict. You know, we prefer that children not

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>be a witness to ongoing arguments between parents. It's always

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>best if you can, you know, have it. You know,

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe you give each other a look and you're really

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>unhappy with something that your partner did or said, and

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>the kids are in your midst and you kind of

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>have your code word, like you know, peacock feather, and

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>that's an indication like I'm not done with this right,

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>but um it is. I think that it's there's going

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to be time still when your child witnesses you guys

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>giving dirty looks, are saying, well, I don't want to

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>do without or no, I hate that restaurant or why

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>why did you give her cookies right before dinner? That's

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>just part of being human and we can aspire to never,

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, have conflict in front of our children, But

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that we can help help them make meaning

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of it in a way that doesn't leave them wondering.

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, where's the floor here? Like? Am I just

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>free free floating by acknowledging you know what, Daddy and

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I had a little bit of a disagreement. We love

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>each other so much and we don't see eye to

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>eye about that thing, and we're going to talk about it,

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and we love each other and we love you, So

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that the child is left knowing also that humans sometimes

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>disagree or have conflict and that it's normal and they

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have to like pretend that never happens. In general. Yeah,

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't have conflicts, But does that send um? Does

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that send also a bad not bad at all, but

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>like does that send a message? Like you know when

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>when Jolie, our daughter, she's four, and she goes off

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to have relationships and she's like, well, I never saw

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>mommy and daddy fights, and then that's or my mom

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:57.319
<v Speaker 1>dad fights, so you know, um, it's not right then

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>to to have arguments and in a relationship ship, So

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>does that set up kind of a bad um what's

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the word for that, like um experience then, like an

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>expectation or like a panic, like, oh my god, I'm

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy towards my partner, and

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I never saw my parents feeling that way towards each other.

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that what you mean? Well, again, you're going to

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>have disagreements in front of your children, because that's what

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 1>humans do. We don't always just sort of float along

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>gracefully like little saints. So I don't think that. I

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>think most children grow up sensing that people do argue

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and disagree. However, you're right, there's some families that were

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>parents who work so hard to shield their kids from

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>that that the kids can grow up thinking something must

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>be wrong here because I'm really having these arguments and

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>fights with my husband, and my parents never did. So

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's anything wrong with having small disagreements

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>in front of your kids, as long as you narrate

0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and you acknowledge. You know, Daddy and I don't agree

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>about whether it's okay to have have cookies and we're

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little annoyed with him, and I think he

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>might be a little annoyed with me too, And we

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.320
<v Speaker 1>love each other and we love you, and we're gonna

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 1>sort out our difference of opinion so that there at

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.760
<v Speaker 1>least you've laid a little bit of a foundation for

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 1>them to know that this is part of what it's

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>like to live with another human being, that there are

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>moments when you disagree for sure. And I have a

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of a theory around kind of children, and I

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.959
<v Speaker 1>just want to get your professional opinion, Susan. And it's

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, with Jane and I have done a ton

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>of individual therapy, a ton of couples therapy, and you're

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>really with all that work that you do on yourself,

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>you really realize how much comes back to your childhood.

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.800
<v Speaker 1>And then as a parent, it terrifies you, right because

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>you're then you're just on you know, you know, your

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>hands and knees, being like, please, I don't want to

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>mess up my kids. And it makes you maybe overthink

0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>the whole parenting process. Now, my my kind of thought

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>process around it is and correct me if I'm just

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>completely way off basis, I feel like no matter what

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 1>circumstance or situation. Granted, there's there's some general traits whether

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>someone goes through an abuse or neglect or whatever, or abandonment,

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be. I'm sure there's similar traits and

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>people that have gone through that in their childhood. But

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>if you take two separate kids put them in the

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>same exact situations, one of them might handle or react

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 1>differently as as an adult than maybe the other one would.

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 1>My reason is just biologically we're all different. So there's

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 1>no one thing of my childhood was this, This is

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 1>all your fault, mom and dad, and you know, And

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>people just want to stand on that because I look

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>back in my story and with things that I've gone

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 1>through and being in a twelve step program. Now, my

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 1>parents came to me and we're very concerned and we're questioning,

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>like what how is this our fault? Like what did

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 1>we do? And I told them I was, look, here's

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 1>what I've learned. Yes, a lot of stuff comes up

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>from childhood, but I know now and where I'm at

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>that And I used the same story I said, if

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>you took someone else, put him in the same childhood

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 1>seam upbringing seam household as me, they could have not

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>gone to an addiction, They could have had a different

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>issue or no issue at all. So it's just one

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of those things I don't just again from my experience,

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like people that hear that might want to

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.800
<v Speaker 1>blame their parents or whatever, and I just I know,

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't blame mine. Yes, they contributed in some ways,

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>but all parents do. I very much agree with that.

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you know glenn and Melton,

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 1>but she and I have done a number of parenting

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>classes together and she wrote these wonderful books carry On

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Warrior and Love Warrior, and yeah, so we've had so

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>much fun together. And Glennon will will say, look, you know,

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>she went through so much with addiction and her recovery

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and had this, you know, very loving family and a

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>sister who didn't. So I I've seen that a lot

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 1>in my practice working with kids and with families, that

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>children will kind of process and absorb challenging childhood in

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>different ways. And for instance, I've done a lot of

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:17.280
<v Speaker 1>work with a population with the trait of heightened sensitivity.

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I've done some classes online with Elaine Aaron, who wrote

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:24.239
<v Speaker 1>The Highly Sensitive Person, The Highly Sensitive Child. Now, if

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you have that trait, which about of the population has,

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.439
<v Speaker 1>then you will pick up more in your childhood, more tension, more,

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>um more. If your parent is anxious or depressed, it

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>may have more of an impact on you, and other

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>kids might just skate right by that and not be impacted.

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>So I I think there's value in looking at your

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>childhood and how some of the experiences you went through

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 1>might have informed the challenges or the particular struggles you

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>have or things you have to work on. But I

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 1>agree that, um there's no point and no value and

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>not even any validity in pointing your finger at your

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.359
<v Speaker 1>parents for the flaw the way they brought you up.

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>And in turn, when we're parenting our kids now this

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 1>panic that we're sort of sending them, giving them a

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 1>life sentence because we struggle with depression or anxiety or addiction.

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not true. Even if you have a child who's

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 1>somewhat sensitive and who is experiencing the impact, we're different

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:24.800
<v Speaker 1>parents than our parents. If we're helping the child understand

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what, Mommy had a really hard day and

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.839
<v Speaker 1>is really struggling today, and I love you and I'm

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 1>getting support and help. Is there anything you want to

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>ask me about it. Are you, you know, so that

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the kids don't We're not sweeping things under the rug

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the way many of our own parents did when there

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>was a challenge in the family. Absolutely, and I completely agree,

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate your outlook on that, and I the

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>way I kind of try to simplify it is just

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it's all that childhood or whatever addiction. It's it's an explanation,

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>not an excuse to how people are the way they are.

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 1>But honey, go ahead, how how could we correct anything

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 1>that we've already screwed up? Possibly with our daughter, because

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.800
<v Speaker 1>that's that's my fear, as you know, just because the

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 1>first you know, a couple of years was real rough

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>in our marriage and I'm thanking God, you know, is

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>this have I already? Then if she's going to remember

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>us yelling at each other, you know, we don't do

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 1>it often anymore. Um, there are times we get a

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 1>little heightened, but you know, we've done a better job

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>of leaving the room. But it's like crap, Like is

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>there a way that I can like fix it and

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 1>go back and and recorrect things? You know, Thank you

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>for kind of being real about it, because what's amazing

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>is you know, because I'm a family therapist, and for many,

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 1>many years, I was a family therapist in the community

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 1>with you know, in Malibu, California, with some of the

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 1>most wealthy, powerful, famous people in the world, and you know,

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>and on cover of magazines looking happy, happy, happy, and

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the truth is, when you're in my

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:08.360
<v Speaker 1>line of work, you find out that most people aren't

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.840
<v Speaker 1>living lives the way there's look from the outside. And

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 1>so you know, you might think and feel all this

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>shame about Oh my god, we fought in front of

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>our daughter. I can't believe that. I know, none of

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>my neighbors ever would do that, or you know, all

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the ladies that the you know, it's just not true.

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 1>You you would be really surprised at the truth In

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 1>most families. For sure, there's some where there's a lot

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 1>of peace and ease and great communication, but most of

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>us are at least somewhat dysfunctional. And it gets played

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 1>out heavily in your marriage. So when your daughter, you know,

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 1>she was quite young when some of the conflict was

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>going on, you're probably not going to be addressing it

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>in the way you would if she was ten years

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 1>old when some of the conflict went on, and in

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 1>which case you would say, you know, sweetie, we had

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:59.479
<v Speaker 1>a bumpy few months there when daddy wasn't staying here

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>or and you know, whatever the circumstance about have been.

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything you want to ask me about that.

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry that you had to go through that

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and it might have been really unsettling for you. And

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm here to answer any questions. The biggest thing that

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 1>children need isn't to be sheltered from conflict or difficulty.

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 1>It's to have the freedom and know that their parent

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>is sturdy enough and big enough. And you know, in

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>my work, I talked about being that captain of the ship,

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 1>captain the enough that whatever is sort of worrying them

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>or disturbing them, they can bring it to us so

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to hide it from us. They don't

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>have to try and in their own strange way process

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>things or make sense of things. That's where we get

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 1>into trouble with a child who might have encountered that. Proverbally,

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 1>if the behavior seems to be showing up, there's wonderful

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>ways that are not like traditional therapy, Like I like

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the sand tray therapy when you see it if a

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>child at some point starts manifesting some behaviors and you

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 1>want to help them kind of untangle them. There's a

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>form of therapy where they're the therapist has a big

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 1>tray of sand and on the wall of their office

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:13.760
<v Speaker 1>they'll have hundreds and hundreds of small figurines like ships

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and pirates and army people and trees, and the child

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 1>can choose whatever they want and bring those items to

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:22.959
<v Speaker 1>the sand tray and create a scene and then work

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.120
<v Speaker 1>with the sand tray therapist to process some deeper feelings.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>And of course as we get older, there's you know,

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.360
<v Speaker 1>things like E M d R, which processes pre verbal

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>trauma in adults. Um, there's other ways to kind of

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.360
<v Speaker 1>get at the things that might be underpinning. But but

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm still having conversations about mistakes or I've made when

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I was parenting my now twenty nine year old son,

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>and they're incredible. There's no expiration date when you say, Okay,

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.720
<v Speaker 1>well we're not going to talk about that rough patch anymore.

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Because he's so much older, you know, he's learning through

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 1>these conversations about the reality of relationship chips, the challenges

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>of being a parent, and how to kind of heal

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.319
<v Speaker 1>things and apologize and make amends even much later down

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:14.439
<v Speaker 1>the road. It's so hard, and but fear doesn't help

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>being afraid. Like, oh my gosh, please, I ask parents

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody listening, do not approach parenting like I'm going to

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 1>ruin it. I'm going to break my child. I just

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>feel like that's amazing rebiliant. Yeah, that's where I just

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>because cray. But even someone says on on Instagram their day,

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 1>like you should leave your husband because you're like the

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 1>kids are watching this, and I'm like, well, we don't

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 1>argue all the time and from them. But then I'm like,

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 1>oh crap, like maybe they like she has heard us

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a yelling before, so maybe that is why she was

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.760
<v Speaker 1>acting out. And then I started to blame myself. Sorry,

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:55.399
<v Speaker 1>wait hard, Yeah, there's there's strangely, you know, I'm about

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>to do a class. I've done a number of collaborations

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 1>with Dr Dan SEAgel. Oh please don't be sorry. Thank

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you for letting people hear the truth. Parents fight in

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>front of their children. Very few do not, let me

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>just tell you the therapist when they tell me. Very

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 1>few parents don't argue and fight. Now some of them

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 1>have these raging things, and that is where we want

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to make it possible later, even fifteen years later, sweetheart,

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you might not even remember the day that I asked

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Daddy to leave. I was so mad and I threw

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>something across the you know. I mean, you're not going

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 1>to play it out if they're not asking, but you

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>can certainly generalize and say, but here's the thing, Like

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 1>when I do the work with Dan Segel, for instance,

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>who does a lot on neuroscience of attachment, UM, and

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>we're doing something together again, so I'm kind of prepping

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 1>for that class. We don't aim for perfect parenting. It's

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>not helpful to children. It's better for children to to

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.919
<v Speaker 1>not always have us be perfectly attuned and to learn

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 1>to kind of ride that that wave, that natural wave

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 1>of being human, and to make amends and apologize and

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>make repair when it's needed. So it's very dangerous to

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 1>parent in a way that you're terrified that you're going

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 1>to ruin your child. Um. Kids are much sturdier than

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.800
<v Speaker 1>we believe, as long as we make it okay for

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>them and safe for them to tell us what they're

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.680
<v Speaker 1>going through. Yeah, for sure, And well before we leave

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 1>your Susan I mean, you kind of answered my question

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 1>right there. But if there is one more bit of

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>advice you would give to like, you know, new young parents,

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 1>besides what you just said about not being fearful, what

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>would you say to young parents like ourselves? Mm hmmm. Well,

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 1>for another really big one that people don't do well enough,

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think is get support. Um, we're not meant

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to raise children one or two parent household. Were meant

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to raise children in a small community or tribe or village,

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and most parents are not doing that. Um. And it's

0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 1>really hard to be a parent. It's exhausting physically, it's

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>emotionally taxing, it's relentlessly demanding. So I think it's so

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>important when you're starting out with young children to to

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 1>find like minded, lighthearted people and really create an extended

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 1>family of sorts so that those are people you can

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.759
<v Speaker 1>be honest with. You can say take could you please

0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>take my kids? I'm so tired, I just want to

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 1>watch TV or take a nap and then then I'll

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>take gears tomorrow. And and to sort of let your

0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 1>let yourself be propped up, um, and and don't have

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 1>an expectation. This is great quote, lower your expectations you'll

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 1>achieve more. You know that this might be dirty. You know,

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.239
<v Speaker 1>enjoy your children as much as you can. Ask for

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:47.399
<v Speaker 1>help when you need it. Lower the bar in terms

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 1>of what you're expecting when when you lose your way,

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.319
<v Speaker 1>not if, but when you lose your way or things

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.879
<v Speaker 1>go south in the house or with you. UM say

0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 1>you know what, sweetheart, that just happened. And you might

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>be noticing that I was really mad, or I was

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 1>really upset, or Daddy and I weren't being very sweet

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 1>with each other. We love each other so much, we're

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 1>learning how to work through our differences. Is there anything

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:13.640
<v Speaker 1>you want to say or ask about that? Is there

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 1>anything you need to feel more comfortable? And kids will

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 1>tell you if you make it safe now. If the

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>child says well, I hate it when you fight. I

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 1>wish you would never fight again, and you say, well, okay,

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>we'll never fight again, or you make some promise you

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 1>can't keep. I don't think they're served by that. You

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.239
<v Speaker 1>would then say, well, gosh, I know, I know it

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 1>feels so uncomfortable and we're arguing. I can understand why

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 1>you wish we would never fight again. And as much

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.240
<v Speaker 1>as I wish I could tell you that won't happen,

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it might because you know, being a person a human

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.879
<v Speaker 1>is is sometimes means we don't see things the same

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.840
<v Speaker 1>way as the people we like and live with. But

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I can promise you that we're going to keep working

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 1>through things and you can always tell us how you're feeling.

0:50:57.800 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 1>And we love each other and we love you, and

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 1>so you're not sweeping stuff under the rug. Um, you're

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:08.799
<v Speaker 1>making it it possible to really tell their truth. Um,

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.920
<v Speaker 1>but you're being realistic also, and you have to have

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:15.320
<v Speaker 1>faith that your kids really do come through when we

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 1>can allow them to turn to us with whatever their

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>truth is, even when it's hard to hear. Amazing, Thank

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you so much for all this helpful stuff. And sorry

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:28.919
<v Speaker 1>again then I tried to feel stupid, but I really

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it, and please don't be sorry. Well, Susan, thank

0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you so much. And where can our listeners find you

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 1>if they want to get more information about your literature?

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 1>What else your yeah? Yeah, oh, there's a monthly membership

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 1>support group. There's co parenting with a narcissist support group.

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:51.240
<v Speaker 1>There's tons of classes on on chores and um, highly

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 1>sensitive kids and screen time. We do a lot of

0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff on kids in screen time. So it's just at

0:51:56.640 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Susan Stiffleman dot com. Awesome. Well I'm signing up right now.

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much, Susan. We really appreciate it.

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.640
<v Speaker 1>We have a great day. Thank you for your wonderful work.

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I love Susan. Yeah, I'm sorry, I just I have

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just like I said the other podcast or yeah,

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I think last week's I just have a really hard

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>time when someone mentioned something about the kids and um,

0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I had put something on Instagram a photo of us,

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 1>and in a comment, you know, said yeah, until he

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>does it again, and what a bad example you are

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:42.919
<v Speaker 1>for the kids. No wonder why you know your daughter

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 1>is acting acting out the way that she is. Um

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to like let you know, to let your kids be

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>around and that kind of environment. And then just said

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 1>like I was a week week B and it just

0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 1>really like there because because I do have some guilt,

0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:05.879
<v Speaker 1>like there's been some fights that I don't ever want

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 1>her to remember seeing. And you know, I know we've

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:12.840
<v Speaker 1>done a better job of it now going in the

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 1>room and waiting until they go to bed, Like we've

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 1>done a great job of it. I think sometimes we

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:20.280
<v Speaker 1>still linger in conversations and I'm like stop, stop, stop,

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, um, because I think we had still have

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 1>a hard time pausing. So um yeah, so I just

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.000
<v Speaker 1>feel like bad. I'm like, oh my god, maybe that

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:36.239
<v Speaker 1>is why like she's you know, like, is that is

0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the reason that she's acting out or or I don't know.

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>So do you wanna hear my thoughts? Yeah? Um, that's

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 1>unfortunate that that person wrote that, and because not like

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:51.839
<v Speaker 1>we're arguing every single day in the house and it's

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>not like I mean, sorry, I got it, I got it. Um.

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.839
<v Speaker 1>First of all, she's acting out. She's four and that's

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 1>what four year olds do. Anyone with a four year

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>old or has had a four year old can attest

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to that, right mark Um. Secondly, the best thing that

0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:17.919
<v Speaker 1>we can do, in my opinion, is we've gotten through

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the worst of our fighting. We've grown a lot in

0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 1>our arguing. We have, you know, we have, so it's

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:27.439
<v Speaker 1>only gonna get better. We're only going to get better

0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:31.839
<v Speaker 1>at pausing and communicating. So the fact that we've were

0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.359
<v Speaker 1>willing to do the work that we have to get

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to a better place that we are now compared to

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 1>where we were is the best thing we can do

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 1>for ourselves and for Jolie and for Jason, because what

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Jolie is gonna end up remembering isn't the previous four years.

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be what she sees from now on. Those

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 1>memories are gonna trump anything. But will she remember you

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:59.279
<v Speaker 1>being gone for four months? Will she remember, you know,

0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the me crying with her in my arm? Like, well,

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:04.359
<v Speaker 1>do she remember those things? Like that's what I'm Will

0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:06.680
<v Speaker 1>she remember when I threw that thing at you? Or

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you know it's that's that's where my I'm just like

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 1>feeling because I trust me as much pain and shame

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>as I feel around going seventy days without seeing her,

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I like, I would like to think that when she

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:29.719
<v Speaker 1>was six to seven eight months old, she's not going

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to remember me not being there. But since baby, they

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 1>sense it, Like that's just like sure they can sense,

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.480
<v Speaker 1>but also it depends on what they have from that

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.800
<v Speaker 1>moment on, they can sense it, and if it continues

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that way, then they'll definitely be more likely to remember m.

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:51.160
<v Speaker 1>But when Jolie only only knows from like this age,

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 1>when she's really becoming influenced and impressioned by how we are, like,

0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 1>she's going to remember more of how we handle things now.

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Just take so much pride in being and being a

0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:07.200
<v Speaker 1>good mom and not I know I'm going to do

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 1>things wrong, but that I can impact them in a

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:16.399
<v Speaker 1>negative way with my actions make me just That's where

0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I just crumble, as you heard, because I just I'm

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:25.279
<v Speaker 1>so I just want to be so cautious and conscience,

0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:30.640
<v Speaker 1>have conscience, Jesus conscious of that because I don't want

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 1>her to. I just just to know that it could

0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:36.280
<v Speaker 1>be my fault that she's going to have some emotional

0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.600
<v Speaker 1>issues because she saw me screaming and us you yelling.

0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:42.880
<v Speaker 1>And but just like I haven't mentioned Susan that Susan

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:47.840
<v Speaker 1>agreed invalidated is regardless, Like there's no perfect parent. We

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:51.960
<v Speaker 1>know that there we're gonna there's gonna be something that

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 1>we could easily turn into being our fault. When they

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:59.360
<v Speaker 1>get older, they go Jolie is in a teenager in

0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.240
<v Speaker 1>line a bit more. Oh that's all my fault, because

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:04.839
<v Speaker 1>I all he did was lie for a long time

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>in my life. No, it's not that, it's it's what

0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 1>she's saying is coming to them, not from a dictator

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:14.080
<v Speaker 1>authoritative place all the time being like pointing the finger

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you're grounded, but coming to them and having a discussion

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 1>around it, Hey, why do you feel the need to lie,

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and and creating that safe place that she was talking

0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:24.960
<v Speaker 1>about that you and I have talked about, to create

0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a safe place for them to come and discuss those

0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 1>feelings and their reasonings behind behaviors. Mark, have you ever

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 1>fought in front of your kids with your wife? Yeah? Yeah,

0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 1>And actually you know, Um, I did read something once

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that I take salace in that when kids see you

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 1>fight in front of your kids, see their parents fight,

0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and then later or even the next day, see them

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:50.120
<v Speaker 1>hugging and kissing and everything's fine, It teaches them conflict resolution.

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 1>It teaches them, like you kind of broached this up

0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:57.160
<v Speaker 1>with with Dr Stiffleman, the idea that if they never

0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:59.760
<v Speaker 1>see you fight and then they're in a relationship one

0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:01.640
<v Speaker 1>day and they get in a fight, they're gonna think

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 1>this is it, this is over, this is a disaster.

0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 1>But if they see that fights can be resolved and

0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:08.880
<v Speaker 1>then fights aren't really that big of a deal, they'll

0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 1>handle it better when they disagree with future partners. So

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:13.919
<v Speaker 1>I think there is something to that, And of course

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm justifying that because yeah, we've done that before, and

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.280
<v Speaker 1>that helps me sleep better at night. And to Mike's point,

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, four year olds act out. That's why they

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:24.439
<v Speaker 1>called the fffing four us, right, that's what every parent

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.240
<v Speaker 1>says about when your kids four years old. That's what

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 1>they do. They act out. But also Lexi's like she

0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 1>was saying, kids are so resilient. And I when I

0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>was going through a really hard time where I was

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:37.400
<v Speaker 1>traveling constantly and really having a hard time being away

0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 1>from the kids, I was talking to my mom and

0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:42.920
<v Speaker 1>she says, well, your dad left for he was in

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the army, and so he would leave for training for

0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>like three weeks a year. He'd go away for three

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 1>weeks once a year. And I said, really, I have

0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 1>absolutely no recollection of that ever happening. She said, really,

0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 1>every February he'd be gone for three Yep, don't remember

0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:58.320
<v Speaker 1>that at all. So that made me feel better that

0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna remember me going to for three weeks.

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:02.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's just barely gonna be a blip on

0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:06.320
<v Speaker 1>their radar. That's yeah, that's true. I barely. My dad

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:09.400
<v Speaker 1>did shift work all grown up, and he also was

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>part of what I don't remember what they called it,

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:14.600
<v Speaker 1>but basically in the fire department where anytime there's like

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 1>a big travesty at another country, he would be part

0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:19.959
<v Speaker 1>of a crew that would go over there and help

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:22.760
<v Speaker 1>and everything like that. So he would be gone for weeks.

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 1>And I remember him doing that, but I don't see

0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. I don't I don't remember my parents leaving.

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.200
<v Speaker 1>But what I remember, starting at age five, was my

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:34.920
<v Speaker 1>parents fighting and being scared of my dad and being

0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:40.160
<v Speaker 1>scared of of the that fighting, which is why I'm

0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:42.680
<v Speaker 1>trying so hard to make sure that we're not arguing

0:59:42.720 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 1>in front of Uli, which again we haven't even with

0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 1>this last incident, Like we didn't like nothing, no argument

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:51.880
<v Speaker 1>at all. It was all in the bedroom, um, which

0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I think we did a good job with that. But

0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:59.680
<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm so careful and scared. Now that she's four,

1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:01.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my gosh, it's one more year until

1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember things. And then I start putting all this

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 1>pressure on myself, like oh crap, Like okay, we have

1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that we really lock it up. To

1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:10.640
<v Speaker 1>your point, you start remembering at whatever age you did,

1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:14.000
<v Speaker 1>but things never changed between your mom and dad. That's

1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:18.240
<v Speaker 1>my whole point. They never changed, they only got worse. Really. Yeah,

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.880
<v Speaker 1>so we have we have the gift of doing this

1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:25.920
<v Speaker 1>work earlier in our kids upbringing that they don't have

1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to be, you know, witness to that. It's so hard.

1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Parents out there, Give yourself some grace. It's gonna be okay. Yeah,

1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:39.240
<v Speaker 1>and email us and let us know that we're normal. Please. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a show, right, guys, That is a show.

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<v Speaker 1>See you guys next week.