Speaker 1: All right, it's sauce on the side. I'm Gandhi and Diamond.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this episode.
Speaker 2: I am G.
Speaker 1: So you may or may not have heard either on
Speaker 1: the Big show or us mentioning it at some point
Speaker 1: in the podcast, which I don't know if we did.
Speaker 1: Diamond's cousin was on Love is Blind season seven. She
Speaker 1: was toss it up, what are we gonna? What did
Speaker 1: she do? Who is she? We're going to talk to
Speaker 1: her today, but this is Diamond's cousin, so I feel
Speaker 1: like this should be in charge.
Speaker 3: By ooh, okay. So her name is Monica Davis. She's
Speaker 3: on season seven of Love is Blind. She got pretty
Speaker 3: much a bed rep in the beginning of the season
Speaker 3: because she I almost said that she was edited to
Speaker 3: look like a bougie girl. But she is a bougie bitch. Okay,
Speaker 3: ugie queen, my girl. She is who she is and
Speaker 3: she found love on the show, was ready to walk
Speaker 3: down the aisle, and then, without any spoilers, it basically
Speaker 3: blew up in her face.
Speaker 1: Quite the arc, quite the storyline. I think she had
Speaker 1: the most interesting storyline of everybody. We're gonna find out
Speaker 1: a lot of the behind the scenes, what happened, why
Speaker 1: it ended the way it ended, why we didn't see
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that we wanted to see,
Speaker 1: kind of where she's at right now. And I'm saying
Speaker 1: all this because we talked to her and I thought
Speaker 1: it was great. How did you feel that it's your cousin?
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 3: I think that she shocked me with some of the
Speaker 3: things that she said, Like, I think you shocked her too,
Speaker 3: Oh I did, and it is what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she really did shock me with some of the things.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that people were in her dms, which
Speaker 3: well get to I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to find that out on off
Speaker 1: the air, because I don't think she was about to
Speaker 1: give that up on the air. And full disclosure, and
Speaker 1: I guess a little bit of a disclaimer. You're gonna
Speaker 1: hear a weird sound most likely happening during this damn podcast.
Speaker 1: What is going on?
Speaker 3: They're cleaning the windows on the outside, and I guess
Speaker 3: a little thingy is like hitting the glass has to
Speaker 3: what is that called that they're on.
Speaker 1: They're like a moving platform.
Speaker 2: That was just it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's whatever it is they've been doing
Speaker 1: this for the duration of this podcast. So if you
Speaker 1: hear weird sounds that sound like clanging and banging or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, we don't know. Everybody keeps walking by
Speaker 1: and looking at us, like do you hear that? Yes,
Speaker 1: I hear that. We're also recording, so I can't really
Speaker 1: come out and explain it to you, but that would
Speaker 1: be the sound that you hear. Anyway. Very excited to
Speaker 1: talk to Monica. I've been wanting to talk to Monica.
Speaker 1: I've been texting you about it. But now I get
Speaker 1: to ask all the questions myself.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it, and you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna jump in whenever you want to. Yeah, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I hope you do. And I know you want to
Speaker 1: play a game at the end, So let's just go,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 4: Gandhi? Hi guys, this is so fun. I can't believe it's.
Speaker 1: I'm excited too. I told Diamond I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you like a Sappington about all of this, because Monica,
Speaker 1: it's been cray.
Speaker 4: It's been Cray.
Speaker 1: We have Diamond's cousin, Mam, who was on the last
Speaker 1: season of Love is Blind. What is that? Season seven? Yep,
Speaker 1: Season seven, Love is Blind? Hello, Monica, Hi, guys, it's
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 4: Hey Guzzy, Hi, so excited, so exciting.
Speaker 1: Where do we begin? Monica? I would say, first of all,
Speaker 1: you had one of the more fascinating story arcs on
Speaker 1: that show, and I don't like the way stuff happened,
Speaker 1: and then we just kind of moved on from it
Speaker 1: without answering the gajillion questions. So that's why I've been
Speaker 1: harassing Diamond to let me talk to you, so hopefully
Speaker 1: you can answer some of these.
Speaker 4: I'll answer everything. Let's okay.
Speaker 1: So you're not bound by like any type of rules
Speaker 1: you can't talk about this type of stuff.
Speaker 4: The timing of this is perfect because the interviews or
Speaker 4: excuse me, the reunions happened. I was like a lot
Speaker 4: of the interviews I did pre reunion. I was bound.
Speaker 4: But let's go yeah, no, get the cat out of
Speaker 4: the bag.
Speaker 1: All right, let's start at the beginning. Why did you
Speaker 1: go on Love Is Blind?
Speaker 4: I went on Love is Blind because I am a
Speaker 4: fan of the show. I've watched all the season, never
Speaker 4: thinking i'd actually do it, and when I applied to
Speaker 4: be on it, and when I applied, it was the
Speaker 4: time season four was out. If you remember season four Seattle,
Speaker 4: Brett and Tiffany. They were a black couple between.
Speaker 1: Say my favorite couple to come out of love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, They're amazing. And I had taken two
Speaker 4: weeks off in between switching jobs, so I was traveling
Speaker 4: visiting friends in those two weeks. And the season finale
Speaker 4: was on and we see Brett and Tiffany get married,
Speaker 4: and I was like a blubbering mess because I remember
Speaker 4: watching her and seeing a lot of myself in her,
Speaker 4: although she seems like a much like kinder, patient, more
Speaker 4: patient person than I am, but she's a black woman.
Speaker 4: She found Brett and she was like, if I would
Speaker 4: have seen him on a dating app, you know, he
Speaker 4: didn't go to college, I might have swiped the other way.
Speaker 4: But he's so successful and amazing and all these other things.
Speaker 4: And the day after I watched it, I started getting
Speaker 4: DMS from friends saying, oh my gosh, Love is Blind
Speaker 4: It's coming to DC. You should apply, And I was like,
Speaker 4: what do I have to lose? I've tried everything, So
Speaker 4: I applied. It's like a long questionnaire. I applied on
Speaker 4: a flight from visiting my friend back to DC from
Speaker 4: my phone. I didn't answer some of the questions because
Speaker 4: I was on an airplane and they asked to like
Speaker 4: record yourself take a video. So I never thought I
Speaker 4: would actually get a call back, but I did.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you went on with the purest intentions of
Speaker 1: actually finding love and maybe stepping out through the box
Speaker 1: that you're typically I guess looking inside for a fellow totally.
Speaker 4: And I had the attitude of, like, this could work
Speaker 4: for me, because my cousin will tell you she's like
Speaker 4: similar to me too. I love I love having deep
Speaker 4: conversations and getting to know someone, and so like on
Speaker 4: a first day, and I'm pretty weird because I'm like,
Speaker 4: so like, why did your parents get divorced?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: And so I thought it could work for me, but
Speaker 4: everything just kept happening and yeah, next thing you know,
Speaker 4: I was feeling all the feels.
Speaker 1: Diamond likes to have long conversations into the night. Is
Speaker 1: this what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: About what? Why don't you talk to me?
Speaker 2: We do talk?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually a really cool way to meet
Speaker 1: people because that's my favorite thing too. If you ask anyone,
Speaker 1: I think around me, I'm terrible at small talk. It
Speaker 1: actually irritates me and infuriates me, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be around it. So when we're at events and
Speaker 1: I start getting bored, I'll start being like, so, get
Speaker 1: any secrets, Tell me the worst day of your life,
Speaker 1: Tell me the best day of your life. And people
Speaker 1: think I'm weird, and they'll either give me an answer
Speaker 1: or they'll walk away either way to win.
Speaker 4: So you're the same way.
Speaker 1: You're in these pods and you make a connection with Steven.
Speaker 1: Did you make a connection with anybody else on the
Speaker 1: show that we didn't see?
Speaker 4: I did. There was another guy that I really actually
Speaker 4: liked a lot. His name is Nick P. There was
Speaker 4: a Nick, there's Nick D. And there's also another Nick.
Speaker 1: Actually no, we'll talk about that later, but go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 4: I liked Nick P.
Speaker 1: And then for whatever reason, you end up really honing
Speaker 1: in on Stephen here. How long was the process from
Speaker 1: start to finish, from the time you enter to the
Speaker 1: time people say I do? How long is that?
Speaker 4: I think it's like seven seven weeks? Totally wow?
Speaker 1: And what is the setup? Obviously we see the pods.
Speaker 1: Are you guys all living in a house together? Do
Speaker 1: you have separate hotel rooms? How does that work?
Speaker 4: So we actually have separate hotel rooms. So every morning
Speaker 4: we you know, get taken over to the lounge. It's
Speaker 4: like a studio set. The pods are and there's a
Speaker 4: women's lounge and the men's lounge on the other side.
Speaker 4: But well, that was actually one of my first questions
Speaker 4: when I was going through this six month interview process.
Speaker 4: I was like, Hey, I don't mean to sound too bougie,
Speaker 4: but like I'm gonna sleep it in that lounge with
Speaker 4: other girls, like and they're like, no, we get you
Speaker 4: at your own hotel rooms.
Speaker 1: So because it seems like you guys get incredibly close,
Speaker 1: like the girls get along really well with the girls,
Speaker 1: and the guys get along well with the guys.
Speaker 4: You spend so much time in that damn lounge. Like
Speaker 4: the girls are super closed, the guys are super closed.
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of days you're not just dating
Speaker 4: in the pods during the day. There's the option to
Speaker 4: do night dating as well, so like you're you're there
Speaker 4: for hours and hours and hours and you have nothing
Speaker 4: else to do but to talk to the women if
Speaker 4: you're not on it on a date.
Speaker 1: So fair enough, do you think, first of all, Timond,
Speaker 1: please jump be in at any point whenever you have
Speaker 1: a question to cousin. This is all via you. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of editing goes into this, because again
Speaker 1: it's twenty four to seven ish for weeks at a
Speaker 1: time where they're recording. Do you think any people were
Speaker 1: made to look bad or made to look like villains
Speaker 1: that in fact were not You can say yourself, because
Speaker 1: I actually think you got a little bit of a
Speaker 1: bad rap in some things I do.
Speaker 4: I totally think I got it. I completely think I
Speaker 4: got a bad rep. It's crazy because there's twelve episodes
Speaker 4: plus the reunion, and as you know, they were released
Speaker 4: in drops. Yes, so my breakup happened the second drop
Speaker 4: on episode eight, I think. Okay, so those episodes, the
Speaker 4: first two drops, I watched Live with You with the
Speaker 4: rest of the world I didn't get I spent the
Speaker 4: last year of my life being like, what did I say?
Speaker 4: What did I do? And then I'm watching Live the
Speaker 4: second half. We watched it la like right before the reunion,
Speaker 4: before the rest of the world, so we could talk
Speaker 4: about the whole thing. But watching the first drop, which
Speaker 4: ended with the very last episode, is me telling Steven
Speaker 4: he talks too much, right, and I need to have space.
Speaker 4: Then I have to wait a week till the next drop,
Speaker 4: and that whole drop is me being like I want flowers.
Speaker 4: You didn't come with the fireworks with me. Don't buy me,
Speaker 4: Kate Spade. He's so scared of me, and I like
Speaker 4: saving my butt for marriage, like you should have seen me.
Speaker 4: I have. My body was shaking forward like this. I
Speaker 4: was like no, no, oh, like what am I gonna
Speaker 4: say next? Because after that first drop, when I tell
Speaker 4: him like he's talking too much and I need space,
Speaker 4: I have to wait a week. And during that week,
Speaker 4: the Internet came at me so hard, like it's so
Speaker 4: hard I dealed. I dealt with so much hate and
Speaker 4: so I'm like, okay, next drop is Mexico and I'm
Speaker 4: watching and I'm like, they're gonna kill me. The trolls
Speaker 4: are gonna kill me. They're gonna think I'm the worst
Speaker 4: person in the world. So that was very, very very
Speaker 4: tough having to process it all live. What's hard is
Speaker 4: like all of as you know, all of those things
Speaker 4: I said, I actually said right like I wouldn't take
Speaker 4: it back. But it's not scripted, it's not edited and
Speaker 4: cut in a weird way. You're just missing a lot
Speaker 4: of context. You're missing like when I tell Stephen he's
Speaker 4: talking too much. At this point, production had to like
Speaker 4: jump into many of our conversations and be like, Stephen,
Speaker 4: let Monica answer the question, like Monica's not getting a
Speaker 4: chance to spee so and that.
Speaker 1: That he's talking too much, and they're still just setting
Speaker 1: it up like you're the bitch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Do.
Speaker 1: You have any beef with any of the producers?
Speaker 4: No? I love listen In the end. Our season was
Speaker 4: really different from other seasons because a lot of couples
Speaker 4: broke up before the altar. Like most past seasons, you
Speaker 4: get to the altar and you say yes or no.
Speaker 4: We had four out of six couples, if you include
Speaker 4: Brittany and Leo, five out of seven couples break up
Speaker 4: before getting to the altar. I'm not an angel, I've
Speaker 4: never pretended to be, so I knew that they were
Speaker 4: going to have to make the relationship breakdown makes sense.
Speaker 4: So for me, Marissa, Hannah, and Alex, like, it wasn't
Speaker 4: an easy ride because we all broke up, so like
Speaker 4: they can't show, oh, this is a perfect relationship because
Speaker 4: they weren't perfect relationships.
Speaker 1: You look like a bit of a villain. I think
Speaker 1: by the end, though, especially after the reunion, I think
Speaker 1: that you had some redemption. I hope you feel like
Speaker 1: you had some redemption, and I would imagine the internet
Speaker 1: is not as hard on you as they were initially.
Speaker 1: But what about the rest, like Leo? Was Leo as
Speaker 1: bad as he seemed, because that man, to me was
Speaker 1: insufferable from episode one or two with the amount that
Speaker 1: he was talking about his money.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I'm not kidding you at all. If you got
Speaker 4: to know him in person or even met him once,
Speaker 4: he's awesome, Like he's so cool and wonderful, and also
Speaker 4: like I like him a lot because he is very
Speaker 4: self aware, Like he's like, fuck, I did talk. Oh sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be crushing. I apologize, okay,
Speaker 4: but he's like he's like, I didn't know that I
Speaker 4: talked about money so much and I sound like such
Speaker 4: a d bag. And like I think every person who
Speaker 4: has a little bit of self awareness in them watching
Speaker 4: the show back, they're like, okay, there, I'm not there
Speaker 4: are things that I can fix, even me watching myself back.
Speaker 4: So Leo's actually really really cool. I didn't get to
Speaker 4: know him very well in the Pods, we didn't date
Speaker 4: for more than a day or two, but getting to
Speaker 4: know him since while the show's been out, you know, afterwards,
Speaker 4: I've been asked a lot about him in interviews, and
Speaker 4: so there's been conversation about like, hey, I'm just being honest,
Speaker 4: and he's like, please be honest. I did gas light
Speaker 4: Hannah say exactly how you feel like, I'm not mad
Speaker 4: at you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: So he's been so awesome.
Speaker 1: I completely forgot about that interaction between him and Hannah. Hannah,
Speaker 1: she didn't come off super well and a lot of
Speaker 1: it either. Did she deserve it?
Speaker 4: My girl got she's getting She's getting it heavy. I
Speaker 4: don't she's getting it really bad. I don't think she
Speaker 4: deserves at all the hate that she's getting. You spend
Speaker 4: so much time with the people on the cast, but
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I'm not in the
Speaker 4: rooms with her and when they're having private conversations behind
Speaker 4: closed doors. What I will say is I was very
Speaker 4: surprised watching Hannah and Nick's relationship play out as a
Speaker 4: viewer because my real life experience, and I talk about
Speaker 4: this at the reunion, was I didn't think Nick was
Speaker 4: that into Hannah. I thought that it would actually be
Speaker 4: a rougher ride for Nick, but you know, the way
Speaker 4: they made.
Speaker 1: A book was wild. I was very surprised when Hannah
Speaker 1: met Nick at Hannah's reaction, especially right after she said,
Speaker 1: my worst nightmare would be if he meets me and
Speaker 1: doesn't like what he sees. And then she meets him
Speaker 1: and clearly don't like what she sees. But this is
Speaker 1: my question about Nick. Everybody was talking about how he
Speaker 1: was such a smooth talker and he was so charming,
Speaker 1: like mister steel your girl type of energy. Where was that?
Speaker 1: Did they edit it out? Because I didn't see it.
Speaker 4: It was insane, like his energy. I wish that everyone
Speaker 4: could do the pods part of the experiment and then
Speaker 4: see people for the first time after talking to them,
Speaker 4: almost like if they gave you an option as a
Speaker 4: viewer to watch watch it with goggles on and then
Speaker 4: when the reveals happened, take your goggles off or something,
Speaker 4: because I think you would. I mean, Nick, I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, he's going to break my heart, even
Speaker 4: though like he was just such a smooth talker, so confident,
Speaker 4: so reassuring, and like smooth, sexy strong, like everything about
Speaker 4: him was like hot and bothered. Truly. All the girls
Speaker 4: were like, he's going to be like the really hot
Speaker 4: one that's probably going to break someone's heart is what
Speaker 4: we thought before you know seeing him, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: But let's get back to you and calling it off
Speaker 1: very dramatic.
Speaker 4: What happened?
Speaker 1: You get through the pods, you and Stephen meet, he proposes,
Speaker 1: then you go to Mexico. Things were okay in Mexico
Speaker 1: or no, they're okay. Yeah, it was an accurate representation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty accurate. Like we were both really exilix,
Speaker 4: you know, excited and into it, but definitely working out
Speaker 4: some I hate when I talk about him now I
Speaker 4: can't say the word kinks, but working out some kings.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we were really happy and like thought we
Speaker 4: were definitely headed to the altar at that point for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, then you leave Mexico and you go to the
Speaker 1: apartment that you guys share while you're sort of getting
Speaker 1: to the point of the marriage, the actual vows walking
Speaker 1: down the aisle and you catch him sexting somebody from
Speaker 1: a time when he was allegedly at a sleep study.
Speaker 1: How did you catch him? How did you get into
Speaker 1: that phone because they kind of just glossed over that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people are so confused by that.
Speaker 1: So I was confused by that. I was like, Diamond, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So like, so for the Pods in Mexico, you have
Speaker 4: cameras on you a lot. Obviously, like not twenty four
Speaker 4: to seven. It's not a show where there's like cameras
Speaker 4: in your room at all times, but there's cameras on
Speaker 4: you a lot. When you get back to DC and
Speaker 4: you start living together, every cast member and crew member
Speaker 4: gets two days off a week. So I've heard I've
Speaker 4: seen a lot of things online and we've all heard
Speaker 4: a lot about how things in our season feel clunky,
Speaker 4: and like what happened with Tim and alex Is fight
Speaker 4: and Monic and Stein's text and we got two days
Speaker 4: off of a week of the week. So the day
Speaker 4: that I happened to find these texts on Steven's phone
Speaker 4: is a day that we weren't filming, of course, but
Speaker 4: of course, essentially that day, Taylor and Garrett had texted
Speaker 4: all of us couples because we were all living in
Speaker 4: the same apartment building in Arlington, Virginia, and they texted
Speaker 4: and said, hey, guys, we're baking fall goods. Right, this
Speaker 4: was like October of last year. We're going to bring
Speaker 4: them by to each of you later today, we'll text you.
Speaker 4: So Steven and I are having a great night in
Speaker 4: the apartment. Was like so happy to have a day
Speaker 4: off from filming, and we're like laughing, having a great
Speaker 4: time and all. He goes to step into the bathroom
Speaker 4: and as soon as he does, randomly his phone Night's
Speaker 4: up and I see Garrett's name and it's like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: we're going to drop off the stuff soon. Are you
Speaker 4: guys home? So I was like, oh, hey, babe, Garrett
Speaker 4: just texted. I'm going to text them back. Like I
Speaker 4: didn't even think twice of anything. Stephen always told me
Speaker 4: that there's no phone issue or you know. So I
Speaker 4: just picked it up and I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: going to text him back, and I'm like yelling to
Speaker 4: him that. And when I go to do that, all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, there's a girl's name there. And I
Speaker 4: trusted Stephen so much in term, like I never in
Speaker 4: a million years would have thought you would have done
Speaker 4: what he did. So I almost didn't even click her name.
Speaker 4: Something in my gut told me to and I clicked
Speaker 4: it and boom goes the dynamite.
Speaker 1: So it's all the creepy, grossichy stuff.
Speaker 4: There was a lot Like I he was in the
Speaker 4: bathroom still I'm, when I say, shocked, like incredibly shocked,
Speaker 4: like cannot even process what's happening. I leave the kitchen
Speaker 4: and go step into the bedroom with his phone and
Speaker 4: I'm scrolling and I'm reading, and I'm scrolling and I'm scrolling,
Speaker 4: I'm scrolling score and they go way way back, like
Speaker 4: way way way back. But what's really difficult is right
Speaker 4: after that production comes, camera crews come. You see some
Speaker 4: of the fallouts, some of it. I even five seconds
Speaker 4: after it all happened, and I confronted him the next day.
Speaker 4: I had a really hard time remembering the details of
Speaker 4: what I thought, even though I read it in detail.
Speaker 4: I guess my body was actually experiencing extreme Like I
Speaker 4: couldn't even remember the girl's name truly. Like production was like,
Speaker 4: just tell us, like, what's tring? And I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't remember guys. So but they were very skinky,
Speaker 4: very dirty. I don't remember there being pictures. But also
Speaker 4: I can't totally trust myself on that fact.
Speaker 1: So in the reunion when he said, oh, I only
Speaker 1: talked to her on this one night. It was just
Speaker 1: coincidentally that one night, and she saw everything that was
Speaker 1: a lie.
Speaker 4: He did not only talk to her that one night.
Speaker 1: Touching really quickly on what you just said about, like
Speaker 1: the word kinks. Now you have to be careful with it.
Speaker 1: How did your family react to you saying on camera
Speaker 1: you're saving your butt for marriage.
Speaker 4: We don't talk about it. What you don't know about it?
Speaker 1: Did you never brought this up?
Speaker 2: No, because this is not the first time I've heard this.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like I say that, like my cousins and
Speaker 4: my sisters and stuff. That's different. I'll talk about this
Speaker 4: up all day. But like my parents, my dad hasn't
Speaker 4: watched it all, thank god. And my mom she's like
Speaker 4: watching it is so supportive. But I literally ran downstairs
Speaker 4: when I saw that scene where he talks about sticking
Speaker 4: his you know what and mac and cheese and I'm
Speaker 4: saying my back. I was like, hey, there's a scene
Speaker 4: where I'm sitting on a couch in a grate. Just
Speaker 4: fast forward, do that please, it's very sexual. And she
Speaker 4: was like, okay, oh that's hard.
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you, and you trusted them to do it.
Speaker 1: I don't I would. I don't even know if I'd
Speaker 1: be able to tell my parents I was on the show.
Speaker 1: Just they can never they can never watch it because
Speaker 1: I would be very uncomfortable. But the cousins are safe, Okay,
Speaker 1: Steven got I can't say he got a bad reputation
Speaker 1: for it, but it did. It did seem that he
Speaker 1: was a little more interested and that was more important
Speaker 1: to him as time went on than in the beginning.
Speaker 1: When you guys are in the pods just talking about
Speaker 1: life and everything. Then you get out of the pods
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, oh, you have sex all the time?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 4: One hundred percent? One hundred percent that was my experience.
Speaker 4: It felt like there's obviously a lot of things you
Speaker 4: guys also didn't see in terms of him talking sexually,
Speaker 4: and that was probably for me, even starting in Mexico,
Speaker 4: the biggest just it was turning me off, like I'm
Speaker 4: a whole woman, like I don't really, I don't like,
Speaker 4: why are we making sex jokes all night? Like weird?
Speaker 4: It's just it's not my style and not going to
Speaker 4: be flowers on top of that, right, come on, look alive. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I felt he was starting to be like Breadcrumby. I
Speaker 4: don't not in like a you know, little hints like
Speaker 4: are you down with that?
Speaker 3: Are you down with that?
Speaker 4: Do you think that's cool? Or would you let me
Speaker 4: do that to you?
Speaker 1: You know the way you just said that made me
Speaker 1: want to puke a little. Would you let me do
Speaker 1: that to you?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: That's how it felt. I was like, no, the answer.
Speaker 1: Is now okay. So then the question I think everybody
Speaker 1: wants to know is you were very shocked that he
Speaker 1: did this to you, but he told you that he
Speaker 1: had done this to somebody else in the past. What
Speaker 1: was it that made you think, ah, this is going
Speaker 1: to be different.
Speaker 4: That was my first watching that conversation between him and
Speaker 4: I and the Pods where he tells me that that
Speaker 4: was my first experience with like, oh shit, this is
Speaker 4: coming off not the exact way that I experienced it
Speaker 4: in real life. Like you hear him tell me that he,
Speaker 4: you know, cheated, but there was so much more to
Speaker 4: the conversation. You also hear me say at one point
Speaker 4: where he says, you know, I cheated, and I say,
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. I want to confirm I would never
Speaker 4: in a millionaire or status someone, I'm so sorry when
Speaker 4: they told me they cheated. Okay, it was it was
Speaker 4: how hard he worked and when he got caught, and
Speaker 4: the work that he put into it, how terrible he felt,
Speaker 4: how bad he beat him himself up, and like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've I've evolved a lot as an adult. When I
Speaker 4: was twenty seven, if someone told me they cheated, like ever,
Speaker 4: I'd be like no, no, no. But now I'm like,
Speaker 4: let's talk about it. It's not it's not something I'm
Speaker 4: looking for as a partner, but like I have questions, like
Speaker 4: you did it once, how you know?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: How do you feel now? How do you get caught?
Speaker 4: So we talked through it, and he'd done a lot
Speaker 4: of work and it was like the biggest regret of
Speaker 4: his life. And I felt totally comped. And I, by
Speaker 4: the way, throughout my entire time filming, I talked a
Speaker 4: lot about how much I've been cheated on and like
Speaker 4: these crazy experiences I've had with cheating, which my cousin
Speaker 4: knows all do well and so and I was almost
Speaker 4: afraid that was gonna be my storyline. And so we
Speaker 4: talked about that so much, and he promised to always
Speaker 4: really protect me in that way, and that was nothing
Speaker 4: I ever had to worry about. So when I say
Speaker 4: I truly had no idea that that would be how
Speaker 4: things founded, I really hadn't. I would have never expected that.
Speaker 1: I actually I felt really bad for you when you
Speaker 1: said you took this experience for me, because you could
Speaker 1: have very much found somebody else. Maybe you would have
Speaker 1: ended up connecting with Nick, was it, p Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: that would have happened.
Speaker 4: We actually dated afterwards, did you. No one knows that.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exclusive Monica and he dated. Okay, so that
Speaker 1: didn't end up working out, But you were right, And
Speaker 1: I thought, Wow, that is so shitty of him to
Speaker 1: have done that and taken that experience from her when
Speaker 1: he knew all along that he was gonna be a
Speaker 1: little shithead about whatever it's in your history and now
Speaker 1: in your present and most likely in his future. That
Speaker 1: was crappy. And I know a few people sort of
Speaker 1: went through that same thing, even Marissa with Ramses. It
Speaker 1: was like, if you all of a sudden thought, oh,
Speaker 1: marriage isn't for me, and I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to do this? Why are you here? How do
Speaker 1: you guys not want to punch these people in the face.
Speaker 4: I think that would I think that with Stephen and Ramsas,
Speaker 4: I do think it's a little bit different because Ramses
Speaker 4: actually did what you're supposed to do in the experiment,
Speaker 4: and it's like you get to know someone, you get
Speaker 4: to know them well, but it doesn't mean you have
Speaker 4: to get married. If he wanted to follow the experiment
Speaker 4: truly all the way through, and it would have ended
Speaker 4: up doing Marissa pretty dirty, he could have gone to
Speaker 4: the altar and said no, and that's what a lot
Speaker 4: of people have done in the past and what you know,
Speaker 4: so he did her assault. Stephen, on the other hand,
Speaker 4: was sloppy, messy, disingenuous, fraudulent, and I just think that
Speaker 4: it's really it's really different.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the fraudulent part. Because one of the
Speaker 1: things that I was so appalled about, because I'm texting
Speaker 1: Diamond as this is going on, did that man have
Speaker 1: a job or not? Because I don't believe that he
Speaker 1: had a job. I know he said he lost the
Speaker 1: job because he took so much time to come and
Speaker 1: do this experiment that when he came back he thought
Speaker 1: he was going to have work and they told him, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't have work. Did he actually have a job
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 4: That was when outside of like the kind of intense,
Speaker 4: excessive sexual jokes and comments that weren't landing well with me,
Speaker 4: That was the second part of like, after leaving the
Speaker 4: Pods and being on this high, realizing the actuality of
Speaker 4: his professional and financial situation. It was very concerning for
Speaker 4: me because he essentially he didn't come back to a job.
Speaker 4: And I believe he essentially knew that if he went
Speaker 4: to go leave to do the show, that he knew
Speaker 4: he'd be coming back to no job. And he took
Speaker 4: that risk and he should have just been honest about that,
Speaker 4: and he wasn't until he, you know, didn't have a job.
Speaker 4: And what's hard about like as a viewer and fan
Speaker 4: of the show and then someone doing it. The thing
Speaker 4: that I never really understood that I can appreciate so
Speaker 4: much more deeply now is it's hard to understand that like,
Speaker 4: when you get back from Mexico, you literally have a
Speaker 4: wedding date in three weeks. You've already picked out your music,
Speaker 4: your flowers, your bridesmaid's dresses, you sent them a guest
Speaker 4: list of everyone who's coming, Like, so you get back
Speaker 4: and you get your phone back, and you know, people
Speaker 4: like Diamond or my sisters and my mom are like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, you're engaged. We have a wedding in three weeks,
Speaker 4: Like should we fly in this day for your bachelorette?
Speaker 4: Should we do that? So all of this and you're
Speaker 4: filming and you're doing dates and like it is so
Speaker 4: hard to process everything, and it's so for me. It
Speaker 4: was like, you have not been honest and I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to be getting married to you in a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks or walking down the aisle to say yes or
Speaker 4: no in a few weeks. Like it felt like a
Speaker 4: lot more information should have been divulged sooner, and it was.
Speaker 4: It was very scary.
Speaker 1: Is he working now? Do we know?
Speaker 4: I have no idea. We're not, we're not, we're not
Speaker 4: on speaking terms post reunions. You thank you. It feels
Speaker 4: really nice.
Speaker 1: Would you go on another dating show?
Speaker 4: Well? No, because I'm madly in love with my boyfriend right,
Speaker 4: So no, I wouldn't do another dating show if you
Speaker 4: were single? Would you do another dating show? Or was
Speaker 4: this enough? And you're all set? I guess like, honestly,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say no. I loved it I took so
Speaker 4: much from it and it was such a cool experience
Speaker 4: and like you know, meeting the women and it's like
Speaker 4: free therapy. You know, you're doing these interviews. You guys
Speaker 4: don't get to see a lot of like these deep
Speaker 4: interviews that we do, talking about like our past traumas
Speaker 4: and what we've been through. And I just I'm someone
Speaker 4: who like has leads, tries to lead life with so
Speaker 4: much gratitude. So I just felt so grateful to be
Speaker 4: there and be doing this like once in a lifetime thing,
Speaker 4: and so I would probably do it again.
Speaker 1: Okay, And after you do something.
Speaker 4: Like that, let's be honest, Like I love my boyfriend
Speaker 4: so much, he's amazing. But then you have like guys
Speaker 4: who pretty much every other day are asking me to
Speaker 4: marry them in my dms and like being in touch.
Speaker 1: So you know, I have so many questions about how
Speaker 1: it works out. When you guys are in your room,
Speaker 1: you're in your bed, people start making out and maybe
Speaker 1: it starts getting to a point of your going to
Speaker 1: hook up. That's what the cameras are showing. Are there
Speaker 1: humans in there or do they set up.
Speaker 4: Cameras there's humans in there?
Speaker 1: There are humans in there watching you guys roll around
Speaker 1: in a bed of rose metals. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do. That's where I would
Speaker 1: be like, and I'm out.
Speaker 4: I'm out. It's crazy how comfortable you get with the
Speaker 4: cameras because they're really out of your way. And after
Speaker 4: the pods, every couple has their own dedicated crew, So
Speaker 4: Steven and I had our own producer, you know, couple
Speaker 4: camera people, lighting people, audio people, so you get to
Speaker 4: know your crew really well. You get really comfortable with them,
Speaker 4: probably too comfortable with them. It's crazy how comfortable you get.
Speaker 4: The most uncomfortable thing camera wise is the reveal. You know,
Speaker 4: so many people were like Mona, go like this girl's
Speaker 4: so annoying. She's whispering. And I'm like, yeah, because I
Speaker 4: walked into this hallway and this guy's kissing me and
Speaker 4: I'm okay with him kissing me. But like there's cameras everywhere,
Speaker 4: and I think I was like, oh, I can't hear,
Speaker 4: but they can hear everything. I just sound like I'm whispering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just forget.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh my god, I don't want them
Speaker 4: to hear what I'm saying. But I forget that my
Speaker 4: make song.
Speaker 1: So do they leave at a certain point.
Speaker 4: You know, they don't sit there? They eventually leave. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they eventually leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, hold on time, all guys, We're going to
Speaker 1: pack up all the equipment. If you can just pause,
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave and you can get back to.
Speaker 4: It and then you guys can continue.
Speaker 1: So awkward, Okay, you mentioned you're in love. You have
Speaker 1: a new man. How did you meet him? I guess
Speaker 1: he's not new at this point. You guys been together
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we started dating in January. I actually met him
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, so before I left for the show,
Speaker 4: we dated like casually for four or five months, never
Speaker 4: like in a relationship for boyfriend and girlfriend, but we
Speaker 4: dated and we met through hine. We broke up, well,
Speaker 4: we didn't break up. We stopped seeing each other in
Speaker 4: January of twenty twenty three, and then I left for
Speaker 4: the show in October of twenty twenty three. But before
Speaker 4: I left for the show, listen, I was like, I
Speaker 4: was single, and I was out and having fun and
Speaker 4: doing what you do when you're single. But I didn't
Speaker 4: I didn't act like seriously. I was very focused on
Speaker 4: the process, It was actually like, it's a crazy process
Speaker 4: applying to be on a reality show, and it took
Speaker 4: up quite a bit of my time on top of
Speaker 4: having a full time job. Like this week you're talking
Speaker 4: to a psychologist, and this week it's a personality test,
Speaker 4: and this week we need you to send us pictures
Speaker 4: of you, you know, with the alien friends. And so
Speaker 4: after I just was saying, until I got engaged on
Speaker 4: a show.
Speaker 1: So when you say you guys didn't break up, but
Speaker 1: you stopped seeing each other in January, what does that
Speaker 1: mean one of you goes to the other one or
Speaker 1: you just decided we're going to go our separate ways.
Speaker 4: I think at that point I was ready for something
Speaker 4: like more committed, okay, And I got the vibe really
Speaker 4: quickly that he wasn't ready for that okay, And so
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, well I'm going to move on.
Speaker 4: And it was actually really hard to do because I
Speaker 4: literally had such strong feelings for him, and I always
Speaker 4: kind of thought we were meant to be, and I had.
Speaker 4: When I met him, I had just come out of
Speaker 4: another very serious relationship, and I met him a lot
Speaker 4: more quickly than I typically would move on. So for
Speaker 4: those like four or five months. When we were dating casually,
Speaker 4: I wasn't my typical Monica where it was like after
Speaker 4: two or three months, I'd be like, hey, what's going
Speaker 4: on here? I was still healing from that breakup. I
Speaker 4: moved across the country for that past past relationship. I
Speaker 4: was going through a lot, So being casual actually worked
Speaker 4: really well for me. And then you know, after a
Speaker 4: few months, I was like, Okay, I'm ready, and I
Speaker 4: was just kind of surprised when he was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you don't want more time, Like do we really wanted to?
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, I.
Speaker 1: Got engaged and then called off an engagement, and now
Speaker 1: you're back with this guy. So let's talk about Internet detectives.
Speaker 1: How is that working out for you? One the I
Speaker 1: would assume somewhat newfound attention from strangers, But two are
Speaker 1: they digging into your background and now your boyfriend's background
Speaker 1: and making anything there weird? Because I saw them do
Speaker 1: it with everybody on the show.
Speaker 4: Absolutely they are and I and it's to be expected.
Speaker 4: I think, like I am very honest. Note bit about
Speaker 4: my boyfriend and I have passed, Like Diamond knows that
Speaker 4: my mom knows that everyone in my life knows about
Speaker 4: kind of what I just described to you, but all
Speaker 4: the details behind that, and so it's fine. Like we
Speaker 4: he's the best guy I've ever dated. I think we're
Speaker 4: going to be together forever. He's amazing, but like a
Speaker 4: lot of relationships, it wasn't perfect getting to the point
Speaker 4: of commitment. The only reason why I'm protected this new
Speaker 4: like limelight and public, like I would share it all.
Speaker 4: I would tell you every I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 4: But he has a son who's like an innocent you know,
Speaker 4: sweet sweet sweet angel. He was married before, he's been
Speaker 4: divorced for like eight years, and his son just turned nine.
Speaker 4: So he's like, you know, it's fine, Like I knew
Speaker 4: that by being with you things might come out and
Speaker 4: people might know about my path and that's okay, but
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, we try to not feed into it.
Speaker 4: His son's mom. So my boyfriend's ex wife is the
Speaker 4: most incredible, amazing person who's been so lovely to me,
Speaker 4: and like, out of respect for that, I'm just like,
Speaker 4: you guys, leave him alone, Please leave him alone.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you want to address that people
Speaker 1: have been talking about or are you just saying I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna address any of this stuff.
Speaker 4: I think what I'll address is my boyfriend had you know,
Speaker 4: a couple of years free getting into a committed relationship
Speaker 4: you know with me where he like dated, he got
Speaker 4: married really young, and then when he was you know,
Speaker 4: out and not in a relationship, he kind of like
Speaker 4: he never committed and cheated on anyone ever. He's never cheated,
Speaker 4: but he was. He will say he was really bad
Speaker 4: at dating. And so people are finding that, like, you know,
Speaker 4: half the guys on my cast have been posted in
Speaker 4: those groups. Are we dating the same guy? Because if
Speaker 4: you're single now and you live in a metropolitan area,
Speaker 4: you're probably going to be posted on that. And so
Speaker 4: my boyfriend's been posted on that. Like I already knew
Speaker 4: knew about it. I know all the details, Like he's
Speaker 4: not a cheater, he's never cheated, but you know, he
Speaker 4: wasn't a perfect dator. And it is what it is.
Speaker 1: If people were to dig into my past and talk
Speaker 1: to ex's of mine or people who feel that they
Speaker 1: have been jilted in some way, it could be very
Speaker 1: easy to paint me as a monster, the worst person
Speaker 1: ever one we're all growing, you learn more. I'm the
Speaker 1: oldest I've ever and I'm also the youngest I'm ever
Speaker 1: going to be. It's a weird place. Every day of
Speaker 1: my life. I'm learning all the time. Well, thank you,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to ever hurt anybody. But in
Speaker 1: the process of finding yourself sometimes that means losing other people,
Speaker 1: experimenting with other people and realizing this isn't the thing.
Speaker 1: So to light people up for that is wild to me.
Speaker 1: Unless there is actual fire burning, the smoke is so silly.
Speaker 1: So you guys are just gonna look away, try not
Speaker 1: to address that kind of stuff and move on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's one of those things what I'm realizing.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's not it doesn't feel super heavy or
Speaker 4: intent like what people are saying. It's not like people
Speaker 4: are saying way worse things about me on the show,
Speaker 4: and like just the type of like materialistic human than
Speaker 4: I am if you knew me in real life. It's
Speaker 4: not like some of the things you want answers to
Speaker 4: her that you're trying to call me out for in
Speaker 4: terms of my boyfriend or our relationship, some of it's
Speaker 4: not true, but like the parts that are like oh yeah,
Speaker 4: like that that is true.
Speaker 1: I think it's really tough because these parasocial relationships are
Speaker 1: created where people think they watch twelve episodes of you
Speaker 1: on TV, they now know you as a person, and
Speaker 1: they not only know you, they have a right to
Speaker 1: your life and they have a right to get involved
Speaker 1: in the things that they think are important and then
Speaker 1: curse you out.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. And by the way, you know, there's this
Speaker 4: whole new dynamic and diamond knows this from this week
Speaker 4: of like I think I'm really funny, like how the
Speaker 4: people are mean to me, I like want to write
Speaker 4: something like snarky back to them, or I had someone
Speaker 4: this week and it was not real. I don't think
Speaker 4: at all. I sent Diamonds a screenshot of it, but
Speaker 4: threatened to sue me and said that they were going
Speaker 4: to take legal action against me because I posted. They
Speaker 4: sent me a DM telling me that I should die
Speaker 4: and then I'm a piece of shit. And I happened
Speaker 4: to pick one of the five that I'd received that
Speaker 4: week and just posted on my story because she also
Speaker 4: had in her profile Jesus Lover Jesus loves you God,
Speaker 4: and I was like, can you believe this? And the
Speaker 4: only reason I actually responded and ended up taking it
Speaker 4: down after a while, is because she claimed to be
Speaker 4: a minor. But you know how these wook I have
Speaker 4: an entire team behind me, like Netflix and my production company,
Speaker 4: and we have legal and all that, so of course
Speaker 4: everything that I'm doing is by the book. And so
Speaker 4: they're like, no, she would have no case. She's the
Speaker 4: one online bullying you and telling you to But you know,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to pretend in my head this girl's
Speaker 4: fourteen years old, and obviously all the people who loved
Speaker 4: me were like coming for her. So I was happy
Speaker 4: to take it down. But you also kind of have
Speaker 4: to be careful about how you move and what you
Speaker 4: You know, should I just talk crap about my boyfriend's
Speaker 4: ex girlfriend and really speak No, there's repercussions now to
Speaker 4: some of that, So.
Speaker 1: Absolutely I get that a lot. Actually, people will send
Speaker 1: me a shitty DM and I'll repost it, and then
Speaker 1: they will tell me that I'm being a bully. People
Speaker 1: are starting to take legal action. I'm like, please, I
Speaker 1: would love for you to waste your money on that.
Speaker 1: Go right ahead, It'll be great. Hi, I'm putting this
Speaker 1: offer out to you, minor or not If somebody comes
Speaker 1: for you and they try to bully you, and you
Speaker 1: want to be the bigger person and not post it
Speaker 1: on your story. You can send it to me and
Speaker 1: I will post it on my story because Okay, bullying
Speaker 1: kids has really never bothered me. I think every now
Speaker 1: and then they need it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Okay sending that offer. You can absolutely have that anytime.
Speaker 1: Back to one of the things that you sort of mentioned,
Speaker 1: people are coming for you because they think you're this
Speaker 1: materialistic person, which is where the game comes in that
Speaker 1: Diamond wants to play. One of the things that you
Speaker 1: are very famous for in this season is Steven's talking
Speaker 1: about how he wants to treat you so well and
Speaker 1: he wants to buy you all these nice things like
Speaker 1: a Kate Spade bag, and you.
Speaker 4: Say, don't never get me one of those.
Speaker 1: But then we see this other side of you where
Speaker 1: you find out he is now unemployed and you're taking
Speaker 1: care of him. You're the sugar mama. How long did
Speaker 1: you take care of him? It was two days.
Speaker 4: I offered to pay for things for maybe that sounds
Speaker 4: about right. Like there was a big grocery shop and
Speaker 4: bill because we were getting ready to like move into
Speaker 4: you know, we're living in an apartment and like a
Speaker 4: meal or two, yes, maybe two days.
Speaker 1: How much did he venmo you?
Speaker 4: He venmoed me four hundred, and.
Speaker 1: He venmoed you because when you found out he was cheating,
Speaker 1: you were like, fuck all that I've taken care of
Speaker 1: you for the past two days. I need you to
Speaker 1: take out your phone and then moment right now for
Speaker 1: what I've taken care of So he venmoded you four
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. I just need a breakdown of what that
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: Was before I blocked him post for you in he's
Speaker 4: posted something that someone sent me on his story where
Speaker 4: and he's actually right. So he said he owed me
Speaker 4: like I think two thirty five, he said, which I
Speaker 4: think that that was right. And then when you went
Speaker 4: to go pay me, I did the math. You don't
Speaker 4: see this, but it was on camera. I'm like, you
Speaker 4: owed me two thirty five, and I was not happy.
Speaker 4: I was really pissed. I was like, you can round
Speaker 4: up if you want to call it two fifty. I
Speaker 4: said something like that, and then he sends me four hundred,
Speaker 4: but it was really like two thirty five or something
Speaker 4: that he actually owed me, and it was for we
Speaker 4: did a huge stock of groceries because we moved into
Speaker 4: this brand new apartment and I think a meal or
Speaker 4: two and I said to him, hey, like, I'm happy
Speaker 4: to you know, until you're back on your feet and
Speaker 4: you have a job, I can cover the costs. The
Speaker 4: reason why I was like, I will be collecting before
Speaker 4: you leave is I have an ex who still owes me.
Speaker 4: I don't even want the money now, but a lot
Speaker 4: of money when we broke up. He always said like,
Speaker 4: I'm a payback, pay you back. And then we ended up,
Speaker 4: you know, a year post breakup, getting into an argument
Speaker 4: and then he was like, f you and you can
Speaker 4: eat the money. I'm never paying you back. So honestly,
Speaker 4: if that hadn't happened, I probably wouldn't even thought to
Speaker 4: But now I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. I know
Speaker 4: I will not see this money again, or I don't
Speaker 4: trust that I will, So I'm going to need you
Speaker 4: to pay me before.
Speaker 1: You I loved it. I was so happy that you
Speaker 1: did that. I'm going to need you to take out
Speaker 1: your phone right now and ven wo me. You resonate
Speaker 1: with me a little bit because a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that people are sort of vilifying you for one
Speaker 1: I'm clapping, and two I see the same things in myself.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, huh, don't come for her for that,
Speaker 1: because they're coming for both of us. How dare you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I've worked really hard since I'm really proud
Speaker 4: of the success that I've had and so yeah, like
Speaker 4: I've been able to buy myself why I sell bags
Speaker 4: and louly bags and all these things. And I have
Speaker 4: a boogie somewhat boogie personality. That doesn't mean I have
Speaker 4: like I have a huge heart as well. People out
Speaker 4: there who like are my sense of humor and get it,
Speaker 4: like really love me. And I even had an executive
Speaker 4: producer on the show tell me before the show came out.
Speaker 4: She was like, Yeah, we're showing this line about Kates
Speaker 4: babe blah blah blah. And I was like, do I
Speaker 4: look terrible? I thought I said it in the Pods
Speaker 4: Like I was like, I literally was like, I say
Speaker 4: something about Kate's spade in the Pods when I watched
Speaker 4: in Mexico. I was like, oh, I had no idea,
Speaker 4: but she was like, no, we kept it in because
Speaker 4: it's funny, and she said I don't want a Kate's
Speaker 4: Spade bag either, So like people, some people get it
Speaker 4: and they're like, that's fucking hilarious. And then there's some
Speaker 4: people who are like, you're a terrible person Kate's Spade employees,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm not. I just I don't want it.
Speaker 4: I just don't want it. You can have it.
Speaker 1: I don't want it. I hope that you have realized
Speaker 1: after all this that you being successful and working really
Speaker 1: hard and being proud of your success is not allowed
Speaker 1: as a woman. You are a guy. And you said
Speaker 1: something like that, people were like, yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is amazing. As a woman. People are like, bitch,
Speaker 1: childish cat lady.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So again, don't stop. But back to the camp real
Speaker 1: quick before we play this game, Diamond, are you ready
Speaker 1: for the game? I'm really suspiciously quiet besides a.
Speaker 2: Couple of cheer No, I'm just loving this.
Speaker 1: But Monica, what is the problem with Kate Spade? Why
Speaker 1: don't you want Kate space?
Speaker 4: My Okay, here's how I think about it. If someone's
Speaker 4: offering to get me something really nice, even if it
Speaker 4: costs five dollars or five hundred dollars, if I'm never
Speaker 4: gonna wear it. Then just don't get me any I
Speaker 4: don't need anything else, Just don't get me that. And
Speaker 4: so for me, it's like I don't have a problem
Speaker 4: with Kate Spade, but I know Stephen's talking about like
Speaker 4: I know, I don't have to get you something bougie
Speaker 4: like a Kate Spade, and I'm like, oh, like, save
Speaker 4: your money. You don't. You don't have to get me
Speaker 4: a y sell or Wi Lee Vutan either, but don't
Speaker 4: go out and spend you know, a couple hundred bucks
Speaker 4: or whatever on Kate's Spade. I don't want it.
Speaker 1: Do you have a trashy purse for when you're doing
Speaker 1: trashy things? Are they all very nice?
Speaker 4: No? They're not all very nice. Like my favorite go
Speaker 4: to person right now that I'm wearing all the time
Speaker 4: is like a Amazon like cross body, you know, fanny pack. Okay,
Speaker 4: but when I go out at night, like I like,
Speaker 4: I do I wear I like when I say I
Speaker 4: have my Botega, I have my you know, Kucci, I.
Speaker 1: Have all of which you vote for yourself, all of.
Speaker 4: Which I thought for myself. I love every single one.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Okay, So Diamond wanted to play
Speaker 1: a game with you. What do you want to call
Speaker 1: this game?
Speaker 3: Well or unwell? Oh okay, so it's basically a yes
Speaker 3: or no. I already know the answer to the first one,
Speaker 3: but we're gonna go along with it anyway. So Kate
Speaker 3: Spade bags well or unwell.
Speaker 4: For menwelle for me?
Speaker 1: I am unwell about that?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, this is something that we talked about on
Speaker 3: the show the other day, and I'm almost positive I
Speaker 3: know your answer, but I need it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Posting your cash app on your socials on your birthday
Speaker 3: with hopes that someone will send you money absolutely unwell?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, who snapping for you?
Speaker 4: That is so unwell?
Speaker 1: No to me, I'm like, that just gives like the
Speaker 1: person outside the office shaking their cup at you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about please help me get some soup. Unless you
Speaker 1: are in that situation, and I understand people are by
Speaker 1: all means. If that's you, go for it. If you
Speaker 1: are employed and an adult, don't do that. It's very weird,
Speaker 1: very creepy. Okay, very unwell about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Farting in front of your significant other well
Speaker 2: or unwell?
Speaker 4: Oh that's hard. I am an open book i'll do.
Speaker 4: But I am someone that's like the one thing I
Speaker 4: don't do. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say what, Yes, Monica, I don't like
Speaker 1: that girl.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: Do you know your cousin's habits? By the way, I
Speaker 1: assume you know Diamond's habits for the most part.
Speaker 4: What is she farting in public?
Speaker 1: Not only will she fart in public, she will announce
Speaker 1: that the fart is coming, and then she will release
Speaker 1: the fart. She also has no problem talking about this
Speaker 1: and doing these things with somebody that she's dating.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't care.
Speaker 4: No, I had no idea were having a conversation offline
Speaker 4: about that. No, man, thank you.
Speaker 3: You know you know Grandma's dad, No, Grandma's grandfather. No,
Speaker 3: somebody in Grandma's family died from holding in his farts.
Speaker 3: Go ask your mom.
Speaker 4: I'm well, listen, I will I fart, but like you,
Speaker 4: just like step away, go to the bathroom, like you
Speaker 4: don't tell everyone he didn't die from because he didn't
Speaker 4: tell people that he was. You're announcing it, all right.
Speaker 1: Also, I have a lot of questions about if that
Speaker 1: actually is why he died, because I don't think i've
Speaker 1: ever heard of someone dying from holding in a fart
Speaker 1: like maybe there were other things going on, but the
Speaker 1: truth we all means that's her truth.
Speaker 4: And I'll let you have our families. Our family is very dramatic,
Speaker 4: so like I have the dramas I know queen.
Speaker 3: Okay, speaking of drama saving your butt for marriage well
Speaker 3: or unwell.
Speaker 2: Well you can't say so.
Speaker 1: Oh you guy as well.
Speaker 2: Get it over with.
Speaker 1: Are you telling us something about yourself?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, but you might as well, Like if you
Speaker 3: think you're going to marry somebody, why not because you know.
Speaker 1: You thought she might marry Stephen?
Speaker 2: First, Oh, you're right.
Speaker 3: And then I had a question because you mentioned this,
Speaker 3: and this is the first time I've ever heard this.
Speaker 2: Who are the notable people in your dms?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I didn't say that they were notable?
Speaker 1: Okay, are there notable people in your dms?
Speaker 4: Listen? No one like, no one that's better than my
Speaker 4: boyfriend's Go damn sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that for you.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: And then I have one last question because you mentioned
Speaker 3: this earlier and I feel like we've talked about this
Speaker 3: or I've heard you mentioned this just like in private conversations.
Speaker 2: But I think I need to know this.
Speaker 3: As a reality TV fan, was there anything that you
Speaker 3: saw of yourself on the show that has changed your
Speaker 3: perspective on not only you, but like the way that
Speaker 3: we judge people on these shows.
Speaker 4: One thousand percent one thousand percent. I think it's very
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like we probably don't have full
Speaker 4: context for some things. I will say, I do think
Speaker 4: it's very different being like a one season, one time
Speaker 4: reality person. It's different than like some of the shows
Speaker 4: we watch on Bravo, where you know, if you've watched
Speaker 4: someone for nine seasons kind of behave the same way.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit different than a twelve episode show
Speaker 4: where like how many minutes was I featured on that show?
Speaker 4: So being kinder, having more empathy, you probably don't have
Speaker 4: the full story or context. But I would say in
Speaker 4: some cases also it's like, you know, it's it's different.
Speaker 4: You do get to know these personalities like they've been
Speaker 4: watching them for a year over year every year.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I think too to your point, which Diamond
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this before. Things can be
Speaker 1: taken out of context, of course, but you still said
Speaker 1: the thing. So sometimes I'm like, ah, man, if somebody
Speaker 1: cut up the things that I said and did in
Speaker 1: a day, ah, I would shudder. Sure they need context
Speaker 1: around them, but I still said those things like, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: how are you doing with everything?
Speaker 4: I'm doing well? Well, I think I'm doing well. I'm
Speaker 4: doing unwell. There's been moments of unwellness. I think that
Speaker 4: the hardest thing is just like the trolls and the negativity,
Speaker 4: it's already started to quiet down. I can't wait for
Speaker 4: all the people who don't like me to like unfollow
Speaker 4: me or stop what like. I just want people who
Speaker 4: like ride with me or think you know, And a
Speaker 4: lot of people have told me it'll it'll start to
Speaker 4: firm up that way. It's just the volume of everything.
Speaker 4: Like I'm so tired. I've been traveling here and doing
Speaker 4: interviews and press and I'm just like tired, but I'm
Speaker 4: also just trying to enjoy it at the same time.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 4: Also, I have a full time job. You know, I
Speaker 4: love my job. I love my career, So just managing
Speaker 4: all of it, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: How is the work atmosphere with this out in the ether?
Speaker 1: Do your coworkers have they watched it? Are they interested?
Speaker 1: Or is it just kind of like a whatever. Move on.
Speaker 4: A lot of people have watched it, and everyone in
Speaker 4: my company has been so supportive. There's been nothing weirder
Speaker 4: than showing up to a work meeting and people being like,
Speaker 4: so I'm all caught up, and I'm like, oh great.
Speaker 4: Last night I said I was saving my bet for marriage,
Speaker 4: so you know that now, Like that's weird. I got one.
Speaker 4: I'm in sales, so I got one email from a client,
Speaker 4: prospective client that I'm working with, and he was like,
Speaker 4: I just spit my teethpaste out all over the bathroom
Speaker 4: floor when I walked in last night, and I could
Speaker 4: have scorn. I saw you on the show my wife
Speaker 4: is watching, and I was like, that's me.
Speaker 1: Maybe for the better. I hope he gets to the
Speaker 1: saving your butt for marriage part and we get an update.
Speaker 4: I hope not all right.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You've spent so much time with us.
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this for a while. Do
Speaker 1: you think we forgot anything? Is there anything that you
Speaker 1: want toss out there or Diamond, any questions that you
Speaker 1: feel like we didn't get to.
Speaker 2: No, I think we got them all.
Speaker 1: You got them all, Monica. How are you feeling?
Speaker 4: I feel great? This was so much fun. I'm like,
Speaker 4: so grateful. I've always wanted to meet you, Diamonds. That's
Speaker 4: the best things about you. I'm so proud of her
Speaker 4: and what she does. So this has been so much fun.
Speaker 1: We have a famous family over there.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many messages I get that
Speaker 4: are like or comments that are like, Monica, I know
Speaker 4: your cousin Diamond because I listened to her and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh oh.
Speaker 1: When we started talking about you being on the show,
Speaker 1: our text messages kept being like, which one is she?
Speaker 1: Is it Alex? Which one is she? I need to know?
Speaker 4: Oh funny, that's so so, so, so so funny.
Speaker 1: But thank you so much, seriously for taking the time
Speaker 1: to chat with us about this. I wish you the best.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like you need any wishes. You are
Speaker 1: doing very well and I'm happy for you and your man.
Speaker 1: And if you guys get married, I would love to
Speaker 1: come to the wedding.
Speaker 4: I'm just putting that amazing. You'll be there, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: of course, thank you so much. I love you guys,
Speaker 4: love you Diamond so much fun.
Speaker 1: All right, Diamond, how did you feel great?
Speaker 3: I'm shocked that she doesn't fart in front of her
Speaker 3: significant others.
Speaker 1: I think she's shocked that you do.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you talking about? What the hell
Speaker 2: is going on here?
Speaker 1: I am so not a fart in front of your
Speaker 1: significant other person, And I honestly don't appreciate when it
Speaker 1: comes the other way either. I'm glad that you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable enough around me to do it, but I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, what do you want me to do
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 2: You gotta let it go, you gotta let it go.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, I'm probably gonna stop moving forward because my
Speaker 3: hearts have been really bad up my fiber and they
Speaker 3: smell really bad. So like, yeah, I warned people who
Speaker 3: came into the bathroom the other day. I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't think you want to come in here. I
Speaker 3: didn't go all the way, but I farted.
Speaker 1: Listen. I appreciate that. I would like to know that
Speaker 1: before I enter, because you know, I'm really bad with
Speaker 1: icky smells. I start gagging. I'm like a child. I
Speaker 1: don't mean to. It's not even the smell itself that
Speaker 1: is so damaging to me. It's the mental like the
Speaker 1: process of what it is behind it. So in my
Speaker 1: head I'm thinking, oh my god, what did they eat?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm breathing it in. It gets bad,
Speaker 1: It gets bad real fast. So you guys shocked each other.
Speaker 1: That's great. How has the group chat been about her
Speaker 1: saving her butt for Mary?
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, she has said this to us. Okay,
Speaker 3: she's been saying this for years. So when first of all,
Speaker 3: I didn't even remember that she said it on the show,
Speaker 3: because it didn't That didn't shock me. Okay, the conversation
Speaker 3: about the mac and cheese thing, I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: like very weird.
Speaker 1: Very very for him. Yeah, from what we gather of him.
Speaker 1: By the way, she picked a turd. Man, I understand
Speaker 1: why she picked him during it, and then after you
Speaker 1: just see, wow, this is who this person really is.
Speaker 1: What a turd. Her cousin's a babe.
Speaker 2: By the way, she's gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's just so sweet, Like, yeah, she's a
Speaker 3: bougie queen, but she's really the nicest person. She's really sweet.
Speaker 1: If you work hard for something in your life and
Speaker 1: you have built a certain life for yourself, you don't
Speaker 1: have to feel bad about wanting what you want when
Speaker 1: you're providing it for yourself. If she was going around
Speaker 1: begging other people to take care of her, she wanted
Speaker 1: to be flout out and all that kind of crap.
Speaker 1: It's a totally different thing. She takes care of herself.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: So props to you, Monica.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: We love it. I don't think we even have time
Speaker 1: really for and ask me anything. We asked her everything, everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I loved it. So I guess we're gonna put a
Speaker 1: pin in that as they say, thank you for setting
Speaker 1: this up.
Speaker 2: Of course I thought she was awesome for being so
Speaker 2: nice to her. Of course would not be people.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know about what. But keep in mind,
Speaker 1: when you are ripping into a stranger online because you
Speaker 1: think you have some type of relationship with them that
Speaker 1: entitles you to rip into them as though you are
Speaker 1: friends and they have personally wrong, you're weird. Don't do
Speaker 1: that weird. And I know it's becoming more and more popular,
Speaker 1: so maybe we're weird for thinking that.
Speaker 2: No, but you don't know these people.
Speaker 1: You don't know their story, you don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of day they're having, and you don't know what your
Speaker 1: comments are going to do to them. Yeah, leave it alone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: enjoy the show and move on with your lives exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, text your group chat about it.
Speaker 3: Please don't like go and comment, especially when it's like
Speaker 3: she said, twelve episodes over seven weeks exactly, like, let's
Speaker 3: calm down.
Speaker 1: Do you know what they could do to us if
Speaker 1: they took twelve half hours of seven weeks with me?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: What would they call you? We'll a menace? But you are.
Speaker 1: I think I'd be the super villain, like, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: the super villain.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I got mad about something today and I
Speaker 1: was really trying to keep my temper and my anger
Speaker 1: and how I handled it in check.
Speaker 2: You did a really great job, by the way, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I don't think I'm a mean person.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things I do are interpreted
Speaker 1: as mean or confrontational, so I'm really trying to manage it.
Speaker 1: But also, you know me, I expect a certain level
Speaker 1: of things, and when it doesn't happen, I get mad.
Speaker 2: But I think that.
Speaker 3: You've never been the type of person to run around.
Speaker 3: Like when people think of like someone being mad, they
Speaker 3: think of like someone yelling or cursing someone out or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 2: You don't do that.
Speaker 3: So I don't think that you should tame yourself in
Speaker 3: that way because at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 3: not like you were upset for no reason.
Speaker 2: You had every reason to be upset.
Speaker 3: So thank you for validating yeh, because I say that
Speaker 3: you have to say and if people can't take it,
Speaker 3: then they need to not necessarily build a thicker skin,
Speaker 3: but like understand, right is what it is.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I AP actually went to our boss and I was like,
Speaker 1: help me with some management issues. He said, what do
Speaker 1: you want? I said, how do you convey I'm really
Speaker 1: fucking mad right now, but not say it that way
Speaker 1: and not hurt feelings And he was like, well, sometimes
Speaker 1: you might have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what it is.
Speaker 1: But everything specs now We're good And I think that
Speaker 1: podcast was great, So thank you again for bringing that
Speaker 1: to us. And you can follow Diamond.
Speaker 2: At Diamond Sincere on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Where can we follow Monica at Monica J.
Speaker 2: Davis on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Monica Jade J J A D E SOA Jade Davis
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Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you. Until next time,
Speaker 1: Say bye, Diamond Bye.