WEBVTT - Lydia Ko's Caddy Paul Cormack 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.280 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:07.240 Claude Harmon. This week's guest Paul Kormack. Paul Caddy's on 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.240 the bag with Lydia Coe. She's won a gold medal, 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.160 won her third major at the AIG Women's Open at St. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:18.239 Andrew's And this is a really, really cool story. But 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.360 it's a fun one for me because Paul, he's from Scotland. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.680 I used to live in Scotland from Aberdeen. I used 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.080 to live in Aberdeen. But I used to teach him. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.319 He was trying to play. He had status on PJ 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.640 Tour Canada, so back in kind of I think he 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.320 quit playing in twenty sixteen. He was trying to play. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:37.720 I worked with him on his game. He was a 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.239 good player. But to watch the success he's had in 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.879 the caddy in ranks on the LPGA, I think he's 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.800 one of the best caddies in the world and it's 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:50.360 fun to watch him do what he does. I know 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.840 him well and to see him doing all the stuff 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.000 that he's doing to be a part of Lydia's team 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.920 to win an Olympic gold medal, which completes you know, 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.400 she's got a Bronze silver and now our gold and 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:06.280 then for Paul being from Scotland, from Aberdeen to be 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.280 on the bag for Lydia at the Home of Golf. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.920 Such is such a cool story. I'm really excited for 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.360 everyone to hear this one. Paul Kormack on the Son 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:16.280 of a Butch podcast. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.360 All right, I guess today Paul Cormack, Paul, you and 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.160 I worked together when you were trying to play competitive 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.120 professional golf. You know, you, like a lot of players, 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.560 came from overseas, came to America with aspirations to play. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.280 How did you get into caddying and what was the 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.080 decision making behind becoming a caddy. We'll get to the 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.360 superstars you've caddied four and all the majors and all 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.520 that stuff. But I always think it's interesting ex players 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.800 their journey to becoming a professional caddy. I think we 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.560 see more of that now maybe than we did in 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.240 the past. Or a lot of players on the PGA 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.040 Tour that had status. There's a lot of guys out 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.640 on the LPGA that had status as well. But your 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:04.680 journey to becoming a professional caddy from trying to play, 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.280 what was the decision behind that? 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.040 I mean, the decision was probably it was probably my 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.079 easiest way to get back into that competitive environment of 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.680 where I wanted to be. And as you know, I 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.880 was a member at Bay Hill. I was lucky enough 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.640 to be a member there for about five years. And 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:27.160 it was Maria Huorth her husband. She used to play 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.400 on the LPGA tour. Her husband, Sean McBride was a caddy. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.320 He carried on the LPGA for a long time, caddied 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.720 on the PGA Tour and I think at that time 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.639 he might have been carrying for Bryce Moulder. And when 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.480 I stopped playing, he basically we sat and had a 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:43.920 beer in the clubhouse and he was like, what are 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.160 you going to do? And I was like, I've got 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.919 no idea. But obviously I wanted to remain in golf. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.400 I mean, I'm not the smartest person on the planet. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:51.720 And I was like, I don't know how I'm going 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.560 to make any money unless it's something involved in golf. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.040 And I thought about coaching, and then I was like, 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.320 I'm gonna have to go in at kind of the 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.359 bottom level and then work my way up and then 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.280 you know, there's no guarantees there. I mean, there was 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.400 no guarantees Caddian, but like, I figured that I could 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.000 probably work my way up quicker with the knowledge that 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.679 I have in the game caddying than I could anything else. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.120 So that was kind of it. And I told him 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:14.239 for a start, I was like, I don't want to 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.120 do it, as like it sounds miserable, and he kind 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.400 of kept on at me and he was like, you'd 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.280 be really good at it, and I kind of I 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:21.680 was like, okay. I was like, put me in touch 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.480 with some people. I eventually got in touch with some people, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.160 and then dude called me. He's like, do you want 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:31.440 to come and work at Kingsmill for an American rookie? 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.320 And I said yes, And that was it, and I'm 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.040 still doing it today. I mean, I love it, but 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.040 it's definitely a different side of the game. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.240 How many years ago was that, because I'm trying to 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.440 think of when you made the decision to quit trying 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:44.560 to play full time. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.960 Twenty and sixteen was the last time I went to 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.320 Q school, so it would have been May of two 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.760 thousand and seventeen that I started caddy in. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:55.640 So the first player you worked with was. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.520 Here, Maddie Shields. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.680 Maddie shield How long that last. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.600 Uh six events. I did kings Mill Shopwright Tournament in 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.680 Our Arbor, Michigan. I think we did a tournament in Canada, 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.920 did another one in Michigan and Grand Rapids, and I 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.480 think Arkansas was the last one. And I drove every 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.360 single one of the other than I took my car, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.080 and my car at the time was a Kia Optima, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.839 and it broke down in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The engine seized, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:28.800 and so I had to rent a car and drive 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.640 to Arkansas. And I drove all the way back to 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.000 Orlando with this rental car. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.680 The glamorous life of professional golf. Yeah, so when you 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.160 started out, give yourself a grade those first six tournaments 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.520 is to caddy versus where you are. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.640 Today, Ah, like two or three. I mean, I had 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.640 no idea. I mean it's just completely different. I mean 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.640 that's the thing. Like I remember once I'd kind of 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.200 got to know some of the guys. Davy Jones, who 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:57.120 now caddies for Running Yin. He was caddying for Suzanne 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.440 Patterson at the time, and obviously he's Northern. I I 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.520 was chatting away to him and he's like, oh yeah, 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.720 I used to play as well. And all that kind 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.680 of stuff, and I remember it. So after six events, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.560 ni on Troi called me, so I worked for her. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.160 The first event I worked for ni on Choi is 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.760 the US Open at Trump Medminster. I'm in this golf course, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.640 like I've never seen a US Open golf course at 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.560 all in the flash and I'm walking this thing and 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:21.160 I'm like, how do we get around here? I'm like, right, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:22.640 I'm like, Dave, can you give me a little bit 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.200 of kind of pointers? And He's like, you just need 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.240 to figure out roughly where you're going to be. He's like, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.520 then you know, you get the heads that you think 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.400 you're gonna need. He's like, then you just kind of 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.960 work off that. He's like, if you've always got like 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.599 a reference point, He's like, you can basically work off that. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.840 He's like, it's not too difficult. So the first six events, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.719 I would say that I would have been probably like 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.320 a two or three. I wouldn't have been any good 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.040 Like I was. I was. I understood golf, but I 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.560 don't like I understood the art of caddying. I still 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:47.159 don't think I do. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.840 I think a lot of people will find that very 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:55.000 interesting because obviously trying to play professionally. You play college 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.360 golf in America, you know, you had some status. P 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.240 J turt Canada, you know how to play golf. But 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.840 what is the difference? Because I look at a guy 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.720 like Austin Johnson, right AJ, who's caddy for his brother DJ. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.400 When AJ came out, he didn't know anything, right, he 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.360 played college basketball, He wasn't a golfer. And AJ has 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.240 turned into one of the best caddies in the world. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.320 And it's just not because he caddies for his brother. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.600 Yeah, but that jump from. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:29.479 Playing competitively to caddya, what's the difficulty because in my mind, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.120 I think there would be a lot of it that 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.520 would be similar. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.320 It is, Yeah, I think because you're not doing it 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.320 for yourself and you're actually doing it for somebody else. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.720 And it's like like my like I listen to a 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.480 lot of different podcasts and stuff like that, and fear 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.680 of failure, and I think I played golf that way, 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.279 like I didn't want, like I was scared, so like 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.840 I ultimately when I played, I played scared. But then 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.040 with like the math that goes in with caddying and 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.679 kind of like the wind and all that kind of stuff. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.160 It was like kind of like, Okay, I don't want 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.720 to get it wrong, but it's like you don't want 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.280 to get it wrong for somebody else. Like for me, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:01.760 if I got it wrong for myself, then I'm like 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.479 all right whatever, like I can get up and down 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.520 or whatever. But it's like you just like you don't 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:06.760 want to get a show it at. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.560 When you're trying to get numbers and stuff like that, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.920 you have to do it quite quickly, and you want 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.880 to get the information as a caddy as quickly as 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.080 you can so that you can give the information to 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.160 the player and say, listen, this is this is what 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.120 we've got. You know, it's one sixty eight to the front, 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.280 it's one fifty to carry the bunk or whatever it is. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.200 Then you can kind of go into the strategy part 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.280 of it. But I don't think people realize. I mean, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.240 I could never be a caddy unless I can use 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.280 the rain further because I basically can't add. I mean, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.680 I'd have to take my shoes off and I'd be 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.400 counting on your fingers and I'd always get the number one. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.160 But the mass part of it early on, did that 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.920 take some adjusting to get used to, or is it 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.560 just repetition. You just get used to doing it. Are 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.560 you someone that adds in your head or are you 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.800 someone that writes it down? 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.800 Yeah? No, it probably took me a little bit of 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.960 a minute of adjustment because on the mini tours, although 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.120 in Canada, I don't think that we could use range 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.200 finders when I was in Canada, but like playing the 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.680 Hooter's Tour and like the E Goolf and all that 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.760 kind of stuff, we could use rangefinders, but like I 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.240 had to then go back to pacing it and you know, 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.200 angles and all that kind of stuff when I first 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.760 went out in the LPG. Now we can use range finders, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.960 which I hate because I actually think it takes away 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.640 from the guys that go and walk the golf course 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.680 and figure out angles and you know dog legs if 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.320 you're down the left and the pins on the left 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.760 and it's going to play shorter, Like everybody has that information. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.880 Whereas I said, I wasn't smart, but I'm probably smart 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.040 enough to figure out, you know, if it's going to 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.280 play shorter or longer. But yeah, it's not. I don't 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.840 write anything down like a lot of guys will write down, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.600 you know, like one fifty plus fifteen one sixty five. 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.839 I just do it all in my head, and I 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.360 find actually find that kind of humorous because I was 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.040 crap at math in school. I mean, it's simple math, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.240 but like I had to write everything down when I 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.320 was in school, So now I don't do it, so yeah, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.080 it's I don't know, it's weird, but yeah, no, I 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.560 don't do any of the edition or whatever subtraction in 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:07.720 my book. I just do all on my head. 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.120 I've had my uncle Billy on the pod a couple 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.120 of times. He caddied for Jayhawk for thirty years. I 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.360 asked him what he thought made a great caddy. He says, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.760 find a good player. You found a good player in 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.040 Anna Nord. Chris. You worked with Anna for four years. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.520 You guys won the Women's British Open in twenty twenty 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:32.319 one at Carnoustie. Working for a great player, you learn 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.400 a lot. Anna has been a great player her entire career, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:42.520 Major Spoheim Cup. When you finally had that four year 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:48.000 run with an established one of the big superstars in 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.880 the game, what did you learn from those four years 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.360 that have helped you now in this hint that you've 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.280 had with Lydia co with the amazing things that Lydia 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.240 has done over the line. We'll get to that, but 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.360 you get to work with Anna nor Quist. She's a 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.960 great player. Would you learn from that experience? 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.600 The probably the best players in the world work a 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.240 lot harder than probably what I even gave them credit for. 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.000 Like I used to think that I worked hard like 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.200 that last year that I played golf in two and sixteen. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.520 I mean I was I was often up at five 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.880 thirty and I wouldn't get home until five thirty at 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.040 night when I was in Orlando. Then you turn up 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.040 to a tournament and you're just absolutely done and you're 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.000 no good. But like they they are very good at 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:38.600 using their time wisely. They you know, they work incredibly hard. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.360 They have a belief in themselves. But I think the 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.120 other thing that I found of it, like kind of 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.120 like the obviously the negative side of it, is that 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.640 they are also human, you know what I mean, Like 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:51.240 they have things going on in their lives that they 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.839 have to deal with, but it's unreal that they can 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.960 throw it to the side for five hours on a 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.960 golf course and go out and shoot, you know, sixty 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.439 eight sixty seven sixty five, whoever it is, and it's 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.679 it's very, very impressive that they can do that. Because 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.520 I had this conversation on the range three weeks ago 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.760 in France with one of the guys that was helping 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.560 with the New Zealand team, and I was like, I 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.280 used to think that every professional golfer was a robot. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.440 I was like, and that's just not the case. And 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.400 I think that's probably part of where I failed a 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:21.959 little bit, was that I was trying to be something 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:22.480 that I wasn't. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.720 Yeah, I mean, I do think that it's easy to 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.840 look at place. I always marvel it the way that 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.600 you know, all the players that I've been lucky enough 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.320 to work with, how they can compartmentalize the things that 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.040 are going on around them. Yeah, you know that they can, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.280 Like you said, they can come to the golf course 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.160 not in great mood, something's gone on off the golf course, 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.679 but as soon as they kind of step inside the rope, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:51.880 everything kind of it hanges. Were you impressed with Anna's 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.640 game were you surprised at I always think it's it's 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.640 a combination of the two. Right. The best players in 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.160 the world hit really really good shot, But yeah, they 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.680 also their mediocre shop and the way they managed themselves, Yeah, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:12.440 is amazing from a course management standpoint. In the four 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.560 years he worked within a would you learn about how 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.840 she manages her game on the golf course? 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.080 I mean out of like even probably out of anybody 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.800 on the LPG, I would say she probably has the 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.760 best course management because she just placed her strengths, Like 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.040 she will never ever put us or try and ever 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.760 put herself in a situation where she feels like she's 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.439 under pressure to hit a shot that she's not comfortable hitting. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.679 So like, there was plenty of times where we could 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.480 be standing there, you know, perfect number pins, maybe in 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.200 a little bit of a kind of an if he's 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:44.599 spot or whatever, and she's like, I'm just going to 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.800 hit it to twenty feet and it's like perfect. And 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.319 that's just the way that she would play golf. And 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:50.839 if you look at look back on our career, I 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.640 mean she's been incredibly consistent. I mean generally finish like 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.040 she always finishes in the top sixty on the CMME list. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.480 She's generally pretty high up there. She normally has, like 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:06.160 every good or great professional golfer, she has her five 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.000 or six week run where she finishes inside the top fifteen, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.280 top ten, pretty much has it every year, but she 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.160 just played to her strength. That was another thing that 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:14.920 like I think I learned was that it was like 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.040 you don't have to be an idiot on the golf course, 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.679 which a lot of amateurs can probably take stuff from, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.560 because it's like they're trying to pull off shots that 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.160 they're not really capable of, and they're putting themselves in 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.480 positions that they're definitely not capable of, either getting up 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.440 and down or no taking on shots off the tee, 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.000 and it's like it's actually kind of boring. If you 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.760 watch good professional golf, it's the most boring golf you'll 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.439 ever watch. It is, literally because they're generally in the 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.040 middle of the fairway or they're just off and again 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.559 TV probably doesn't really do them justice because you see 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.240 the highlights and all you see is them hitting it's 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.680 five feet every day or every every hole, and it's 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.120 like that's not the case. Like there's a lot of 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:52.960 like last week at Saint Andrew's with Lydia, I mean 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.160 there was a lot of like just twenty five thirty 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.320 forty feet two pats par move on, like just limit 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.360 the mistakes. That's essentially what the best players do, is 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:02.679 they just eliminate mistakes. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.480 Yeah, and I think that I do think that everyone 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.679 listening to the pod, we are so skewed by television. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.320 They're showing you on the weekends, even you know, in 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.920 the men's and the women's game. On the weekends, you're 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.480 going to see the best players who are playing the 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.160 best golf. The only time you're going to really see 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.560 anything else is if you're seeing a superstar that isn't 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.560 in contention knock at the three feet or a superstar 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.360 rinse one out of bounds or hit it in the 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.160 water and do something stupid. But other than that, you're 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.560 basically the television is focusing on the five to ten 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.760 players that are going to have a chance to win. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.840 They're playing the best that week. Yeah, they are going 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.000 to highlight their best shops. But I think that it's 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.800 something that I've that with, something that I said to 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:56.360 you when you were trying to play, is minimize the mistake. Yeah, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.280 and I don't think everyone that listens to this part understands. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.200 I say it all the time. I'm sure people get 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:04.920 tired of hearing it. It's great that someone like you 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.680 is saying as well, twenty feet is a good shot. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.840 The average golfer who's the fifteen handicapper thinks hitting twenty 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:13.960 feet it's a bad shot. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.400 Yeah, it's crazy, it's yeah, No, it's absolutely insane. I 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.680 mean you see every week in pro ams and it's 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.520 like they're hitting shots and they're like, oh, that's no good. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.360 It's like you've just hit five iron to thirty five feet, Like, 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.440 what's wrong with that? It's on the green two potts, move. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.800 On and you can't hit five iron to thirty feet. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.480 No, yeah, exactly, You've actually done something really remarkable there, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.640 and you're taking as a negative like it's in sanni. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.840 Yeah, I mean, if you just I mean we say 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.880 it all the time, right, and the pro ams the 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.240 majority I mean the majority of the people playing in 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:48.000 pro ams. In professional golf, I'd say you're more surprised 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.760 when they hit the green from the fairway than you 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.440 are if they miss the green. If you get like 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.720 a group of you know, if you're lucky, if you 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.880 get three golfers and they all hit the first fairway 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.640 in the first green, you're looking at you and Lydia 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.320 are looking at this. The other going, this could be 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:03.960 fun today. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.320 Yeah, it's a nice easy day. Yeah, exactly, because that's 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.960 that generally doesn't happen. I mean the amount of non 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:10.400 golfer she get in a pro am as well. I'm 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.360 sure it's the same when the PGA Tour live or whatever. 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.640 And it's just mental. It's like, would you ever go 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.040 and throw a ball around on an NFL field, like 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.720 in a warm up? Like you've got no chance after. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.440 Four years after a major, you made the decision to 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.120 go to the men's route, tread your hand at the 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.600 PGA Tour, But then you get the call from Lydia Coe, 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:36.320 a major champion. I mean, her career is it's a 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.200 great story. I don't think people realize she's talking that 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.400 she's what twenty seven now, she's saying that she's probably 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.920 not gonna play past thirty. I think a lot of 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.280 people think that's crazy. She won her first professional tournament 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.640 in twenty twelve, she's fourteen years old. She is one 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.600 of those players that has won. She's grown up in 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.960 front of all of us. But two, she's the player 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.720 golf were so long, and he's in her late twenties, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.600 and you've got to think that she's just like, man, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:12.120 I've been doing this a long long time. Her career 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.680 has the arc of her career. I think it's been 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.919 so impressed. But when just like you and I are 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.400 hired guns right, we get hired by professional golfers, professional athletes. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.400 So when you get the call from someone like Lydia Coe, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.359 you're trying your hand on the PGA Tour. We all 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.840 know that if you want to make a ton of 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.520 money as a caddy, the PGA Tour is the place 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:35.920 to do it. You can do it on live now 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.800 as well, but you really want to make legit money 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.199 as a caddy, you caddy on the PGA Tour. You 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.080 were trying to do that, trying to get into the 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.399 men's game. But then somebody like Lydia Co calls you. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.840 I read where you said you'd have been stupid if 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.159 you'd have called me that Lydia Coe called you, and 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.440 you turn that down. I mean, I don't think I 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.720 ought to talk to you again. I mean you had 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.520 to make But what's it like? How did that decision 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.199 come about? How did you get the call? Did she 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.240 call you? Did the manager call you? What happened? Because 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.160 I always think that's a cool story. Yeah. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.720 No, she She called me on the Monday after the 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.600 Women's Writish Open last year. So I was sitting at 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.439 my home in Saint Pete and at that point I 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.679 was working for Kevin Chapel, and she was like, I 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.159 need a caddy. Would you be interested in caddy in? 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:26.240 Do you know her? 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:28.879 I knew her a little bit. We've been paired with 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.119 her a few times when I were I mean and 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.560 Lydia is lovely. I mean everybody asks that, like you know, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.119 she as nice as she seems, and I was like 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.880 one hundred percent, like she will literally sign every autograph, 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.320 She'll speak to every kid, you know, so on and 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.199 so forth. But yeah, she called. I actually missed her 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.879 call for a start, and I text her and I 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:46.920 was like, can I call you in an hour? And 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.600 she was playing golf in San France. So this is 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.320 the Monday after she's missed the cut at the Women's 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.400 Writis Open. She's already back home, she's playing golf and 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:54.959 she's like, i'll call you when I get done. So 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.480 she called me and she was like, look, she's like, 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.280 I'm looking for a caddy. I got a list of 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.720 names from our agent and she's like you were on 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.679 my list. She's like, and you're my first call. She's like, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.280 would you be interested in caddying for me? And I 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.120 was like one hundred percent, Like as I said, you would. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.639 You would have to be an idiot to say no. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.800 I mean, I know that she was struggling at that point, 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.639 but it's like, and if you look at our career, 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.840 like there's been a lot of lows, but like the 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.880 highs are super high. And I knew that she wasn't 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.560 a million miles away from you know, a couple of wins. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.160 She would get in the Hall of Fame. I knew 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.679 that obviously with it being an Olympic year, you know, 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.200 if I do a decent job and we get to there, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.720 like I got the chance of obviously potentially winning a medal, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.800 and I knew that obviously gold would complete the set 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.119 for her and all that kind of stuff. And I 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.000 was just like, yeah, I was like this, you know, 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.000 I was on the PGA tour with Chapel, but like 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.359 I was kind of like you know what, I was like, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.679 this is going to be better for me long term 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.880 than doing what I was doing, Like I could better 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.360 myself doing that. It's a selfish reason. But like players 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.359 and caddies move for selfish reasons all the time, and 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.240 I was like selfishly, I was like, I think that 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:58.680 this is going to fit me a little bit better, 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.800 and I said yes, I was like cool. So then 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.280 I think we had a week that was a week off, 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.760 and I think the following week was Canada, and that's 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:06.760 where we started. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.040 When you started with a big eight years since she 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.160 won her last major, and like you said, the arc 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.199 of her career has been, you know, massive highs, but 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.720 also some lows. And when when you guys got together, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.879 she wasn't necessarily in the form, certainly nowhere near the 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.320 form that she is now when you go to work 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:35.560 or a player of her caliber, obviously she's a great player. 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.280 The resume says she's a great player. I mean, you're 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.119 taking her on and all she's got to do is 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.240 win a couple of craws. I mean, the criteria to 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.679 get into the LPGA Hall of Fame could be tougher 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.160 than to get into Ike or Harvard. I still don't 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.439 understand how they just can't make it much easier, and 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.800 look at someone like Lydia Cohen, go you're in the 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.399 Hall of fame of the eyepat When you go to 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.840 work for her, what's that first week like is a 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:06.200 caddie working with a new player, because obviously your job 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:07.840 is your job. You know how to caddy, you know 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.400 what the ardages, you know numbers are. But I say 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.720 this all the time and people laugh. My wife always, 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.240 you know, says I can't say, but professional golfers are 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.760 like dogs. They communicate with you non verbally correct and 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.800 they don't say a lot either. You're constantly trying to 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.719 figure out by the walk up, by when they show up, 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.960 and normally within about i've even less than that, you 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:31.600 can tell if they're in a good mood or a 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:31.959 bad man. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:32.720 Yeah. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.960 So that getting to know a player early on, but 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.359 also getting to know a player of her caliber that 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.879 obviously she's done great things, She's won majors, she's won 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:48.840 a bunch of tournaments. Is that scary? Is it? What's 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.640 that like for you? Iusly? 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.920 Yeah, I was probably scared a little bit. I don't 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.040 like I would use the word intimidated, but I was 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.119 definitely scared because I was like, you know, Chapel hunn't 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.720 been playing the backs like, and that's all respect to him, 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.400 I mean, he's a great player, but he was obviously struggling. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.760 And it's kind of like I didn't question if I 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.280 was any good at what I did, but it was 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:09.920 just kind of like I needed to get back into 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.760 kind of like a little bit of mojo, a little 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.159 bit flow. And then when I got out there, like 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.840 I had met Lydia obviously plenty of times before, i'd 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.320 never met her sister and or you know, her sister 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.080 was very much kind of like, you know, we're struggling 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:24.840 right now, but everything's gonna be fine. And I'm like, 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:26.840 I know it is. I was like, she's really really 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.800 good and she's only twenty six. I'm like, it's not 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.439 like and I told the Scottish media this on Sunday 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.560 last week. I was like, it's not like she's thirty 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.840 seven or forty, like, which in the women's game is 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.280 obviously very not very old, but it's generally on the 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.280 older end, whereas in the guys, I mean, they're almost 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.280 just peaking at that time. I was like, she's got 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.200 plenty of years left, and I think I just brought 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.919 kind of a little bit of positivity. I was like, 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.600 you know, it's fine, like bad golf happens. Everybody goes 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.200 through that stretch. So that first week, and as he said, 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:56.840 it was a lot of like, Okay, well what do 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:58.399 I need to do to help her? And she's like 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.520 any good at setting stuff up on the and green. 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.320 So I'm out there, you know, twenty minutes before she 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.400 comes out on the pot and green, setting up drills 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:06.600 and putting the cones out in the range. You know, 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:08.760 you've got like a new routine. Like everybody's got the routine. 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.280 But it's like it's different for every player. You know, 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.359 some start on the range, some starting to pot and green, 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:15.960 and yet no, it was actually it was actually really easy. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:17.560 Like after that first day, I was like, you know what, 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.280 it's like, this is like I could I can deal 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.879 with this. This isn't that difficult. I'm probably building up 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.359 in my own head to be something that's not. And 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.600 it was fine. I mean, by your own mission. She 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.240 didn't play very good that week. I think we shot 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.920 eighty one on the third day and she really didn't 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:33.560 do a whole lot wrong. She just didn't drive it 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.119 very good. That we were at Shaughnessy in Vancouver. I 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.600 don't know if you've ever been there, isn't it. It's 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.800 single file down the fairways. I mean, like you don't 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:42.800 even need to hit a bad t shot and you're 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.200 basically just chipping out sideways. So and I was like, well, 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.320 that's going to be you know, like you're driving. Missus 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.680 A probably been heightened a little bit. The roff was long, 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.800 you know, Lydia is not the longest on tour. So 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:56.560 it's like when you're standing there in the rough and 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.840 it's thick and you do have a shot and you've 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.720 got seven iron in in the green, are almost us 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.480 open like, and somebody's standing there with a wedge, it's 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.040 like it's going to be way easier for them than 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.880 it is her. So it's like it's fine, Like bad 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.800 golf happens. You don't shoot eighty one very often, and 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:13.960 you might not ever shoot eighty one in a tournament again, 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:15.920 but you did it today, So like let's just move 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.159 on like it's it's just golf. Unfortunately. 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:23.480 Yeah, And I think sometimes that refresh of just you 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.280 know what happens with coaches as well. I mean, players 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:28.200 move on and they say, listen, I just want to 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.080 try something different. I want to try something new. That's 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:31.879 always the worst thing to hear, right, you know, in 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.040 our business, you know, it's always that it's not you 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.560 with me than right, Yeah, you know, you just want 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.600 to try something new. So I think the last time 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.520 I saw you was that the Loo's at the end 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:43.600 of last year. 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.640 This year in Orlando, sort of this year, that's right. 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:49.640 The sort of this year in Orlando, which you guys 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:54.080 won that tournament. When Lydia plays for best, what do 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.679 you feel makes for such a great player? 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.680 Well, I mean that weekend Orlando. I mean, obviously she's 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:02.359 familiar with the golf course. She's a member there. She 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.520 lives right off the second hole. I mean, so it's 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.480 like it's like when I go back, like I don't 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:07.840 I don't play a whole lot of golf anymore. But 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:09.199 if I go back and play a track, I know, 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:11.320 it's like you almost free wheel it a little bit. 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.280 And it's like she should very calm. I mean, it's 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:14.719 probably the same with the players that you work with. 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.439 It's like they're very calm. Everything kind of comes to 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.080 them kind of very slowly, and like nothing ever gets 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.560 in their way. But when Lydia hits it in the 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:25.320 fair way more often than not, and I know that 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.640 sounds very cliche, and every player is exactly the same, 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:30.679 but more so with her, it's like I feel like 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:32.720 she thinks she's like, Okay, well I can attack this week, 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.560 like I can be aggressive when I need to be, 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.600 you know, in her in the positions that she wants 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.359 to and it's like, you know, like last week, I 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:42.440 think on fourteen, shit driver off the deck, and I 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.439 saw in the commentary or wherever they're like, this is amazing. 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.359 And it's like she does that every week, Like she 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.639 will literally hit drive her off the deck almost every week. 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.280 I mean, and it's a hard shot. But yeah, I 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.560 think when she's when she's nice and calm, she's got 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.200 her mind quiet and she's peaceful, and that just allows 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.640 her to I think, because that's the thing. Even through 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:02.119 the course of seventy two holes, you're not going to 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:04.240 every shot exactly the way you want it, but the 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.680 quicker you can brush it off, then you get back 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:07.679 to the way that you were playing. 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.640 So man, so it's so funny listening to you talk 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.199 like this because this is one hundred and eighty degrees 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:14.920 from the way you thought when you tried to play 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:20.520 profession Yeah, I mean, you were, you were nervous, you 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:24.240 were always doubting, you were never trusting of what you 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.800 were doing your own game and all of that, and 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.800 you're you're talking about, not surprisingly, one of the best 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.840 players in the women's game, and the mental strength she's 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.520 got is a positive. What's she like as a player 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.880 to cadge? What does she want? What does she not want? 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.640 Does she want a lot of information? Does she want 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:46.240 to make the decision? Is it a collaboration between the 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:46.720 two of you. 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.120 It's probably a little bit of both in terms of decision. 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:54.720 Like seventeen last week on the Saturday, for example, when 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:56.919 the pin is behind that road hole, Bunker and I 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.560 had been telling her and both are three time or 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:01.280 the twice that we played that hole in the pro am. 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.680 Then in the practice round, I was like, if the 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:05.879 pin's on the left, we're hitting it left. You know 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.640 that you've been there, like yeah, I mean that hole 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:09.960 was a long hole for them. I mean, if you've 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.159 got a nine iron our wedge, Aron, maybe go out. 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:13.760 But we were always miles back. I mean I think 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:15.359 the shortest we had in there to the front was 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:19.000 probably like one hundred and sixty yards maybe. I mean 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.000 that pins thirty on, so I think on the Saturday 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.960 we had two hundred wind was straight across right to 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.200 left and she's like, can I just hit it on 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:29.280 the front right part of the green And I'm like no. 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:31.520 I'm like, because if it ends up being short, you 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.560 can't get that close. Like the closest you're gonna get 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.680 it's probably fifteen or twenty feet. You're making exactly you're 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.280 going to make a bogie. I was like, so we 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:39.680 have to hit it left and she's like, I thought 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.080 you were going to say that. So like I'm then 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:42.800 giving her a line. We've got like a tent or 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:44.680 whatever that I'm trying to get her to hit it on. 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:46.520 She's like, well, can I not just hit it on 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.439 the seventeen on the TV tower and it was like 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.359 left half of the road hole bunker and I'm like no, 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.480 And she's like why And I'm like, because we don't 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:55.160 want to be long. I was like, and we don't 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.159 want to be in there. I was like, and I 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:58.919 was basically begging her. I was like, can you please 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.080 just hit it a little further left? I mean, again, 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.000 you're just essentially trying to get her a play her 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:04.919 strengths I mean, and that's the thing as a caddyo. 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:06.919 It's like, I'm not there to tell her how to 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.239 play golf or any of the players that I've ever 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.119 worked how to play golf. But it's like you're just 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.040 trying to not get them to screw up. Essentially, it's like, 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.760 just don't do something done, Like let's be smart here. 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.720 So I'm saying it's it's pretty much a collective thing. 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.560 But like again very cliche. Every caddy'll tell you this. 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.280 If they're playing good, just stay out of the way, 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.960 you know what I mean. It's like dermot Burn always 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.960 told me. He was like, always listen rather than talk. 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:31.800 That's an interesting one. 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:33.840 And I'm like, that's He's like, they're the best players 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:35.119 in the world. He's like, they're going to tell you 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.840 what they do and don't want to do. And I'm like, 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.520 it's probably it. So it was said that whenever he 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.040 had a good day, you'd come back to the Airbnb 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:43.920 and he'd tell me he was like, I did a 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.920 lot of listening today. 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.440 Let's talk about the Olympics. What a week Lydia had 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.960 won a silver, she'd won a bronze. She now has 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.760 a gold medal, What was the week like for you guys? 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:02.000 The Sunday, you guys were cruising five shot lead at 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.080 one point, and then you guys make double on thirteen. 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.400 That's a funky golf course. She hooped one early from 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:09.840 like what like forty feet? 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:11.920 Yeah, yeah, I think it was. 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:16.800 Like eight or nine right around the turn. Yeah, seven, 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.840 And you know, she had a five shot lead on Sunday, 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.760 but then all of a sudden that lead goes away. 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:30.400 That finished at Golf National ain't easy either, you know, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.920 those little holes I think at that golf course, Paul, 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.200 where you have to stand up and you can't fake it. 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.240 You just have to hit a quality golf shot. Yeah, 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.600 you've got to hit the fairway off the tee, You've 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.040 got to stand up and hit the green, hit the 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.840 right shot into there. And then eighteen as well, I 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.280 think eighteen you just have to stand up and hit 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.000 really really good shot. What was the week like for 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:52.720 you guys? And what was that Sunday like? 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.040 The week as I sent you earlier, I mean the 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.080 week she was she was very calm. I mean I 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.520 know that it was a big deal for her. I mean, 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:03.560 I'm not a massive proponent for golf in the Olympics. 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.480 I've probably changed my mind a little bit now, but yeah, 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.240 it was. It was calm, like I did the Olympics 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.440 before with Anna in Tokyo. That was obviously during COVID, 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.760 so there was no fans. So I remember the first 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:18.120 day we had Selene Boutier playing in front of us, 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.720 obviously French, I mean, and there must have been ten, twelve, 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:25.120 maybe even fifteen thousand people following her. And you've been there, right, Yeah, 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.719 golf course, I mean, it's it's unbelievable, like it's a 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.000 great setting for respect there. 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.640 The golf course is down in the bottom of all 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.600 the hills. And then yeah, it feels like up above 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:37.520 you is where like a lot of the fans are. 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.200 You kind of feel like the fans were on top 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.200 of you when you're in the middle of those parawis. 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.400 Yeah, it's like an amphitheater. I mean, and the sound 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.600 was traveling. I mean she I think Selene shot sixty 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.720 five that first day and me and Lydia kept on 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.200 saying all around it's like she must have just been 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.560 loving this. But like the adrenaline that she had must 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.640 have been insane. But yeah, no, I mean that first 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.160 day was really tough as well. I think we shot 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.800 even maybe the first day maybe one under I can't remember. Then, 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:03.880 Like as just as the week went on, it was 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:05.800 kind of the same as last week. I mean, it's 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:10.040 just again it sounds stupid and it's it's repetitive, but 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.520 it's like you just minimize the mistakes. It's like, if 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:14.360 you're playing good, you know you're gonna get your birdies. 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.360 You know you're gonna get your looks. The wind was 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.840 kind of helpful for us on a pretty much all 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.640 of the longer holes, like the par fives, and it 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:25.480 was just like, okay, well, if we do what we're 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.400 meant to do, then you're gonna have you know, X 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.360 amount of looks every day, good chances for birdie. And 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.160 it's just like, you know, you've got the as you said, 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.160 like thirteen is not a particularly easy hole. You got 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.040 hit the fairway there or you're I mean, I would 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.280 think that the girls that the majority of girls that 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.400 missed the fairway on thirteen, which is not particularly hard 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.320 to do, you've probably been laying up fifteen. You don't 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.040 hit it on that fairway. I mean, you can obviously 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:46.560 get it over the back of the green. But like, 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.680 as you said, it's like you you can't fake it. 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.320 You've got you've got to back yourself and you've got 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.720 to you've got to just stand there and execute. 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.800 Really eighteenth pole. I mean, obviously she knows what she's 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.080 about to do, but we all have to get through 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.400 that stretch. You got to hit the fair way. She 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:09.360 laid up the mindset and her demeanor on that eighteenth 0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.600 hole different than the rest of the week or was 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.120 it just normal. 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.080 No, just exactly the same. I mean, we got onto 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:16.560 that tea and the wind was kind of it was 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.360 kind of switching around a little bit, and if it'd 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.160 be not off the left, I would probably have liked Driver. 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:23.720 And I think she did the same or whatever. And 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.080 she was like, is it Driver or three Wood? And 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:26.600 I was like, well right now. And I looked over 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.800 and there was flags up that were to the right 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.520 of seventeen, to the left of where we were looking, 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.800 and they were kind of going straight across, and I 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:36.360 just felt the wind to go down. She's like, can 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.000 I hit three Wood? And I was like absolutely. I 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:39.920 was like, because I knew that three Wood would take 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.920 out that kind of in between shot where it was 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.120 like do we go for the green or do we 0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:46.360 have to lay it up? And it was like, she 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.360 can hit this as good or as bad as she wants. 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:49.880 It's going to be fine, and we're probably gonna have 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.520 a seven or eight are and down there to lay up. Then. 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:57.000 I mean that pin actually was fairly easy for the layup. 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:58.960 It wasn't a particularly easy pin if you were to 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.560 go for the green because it was kind of right 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.040 on that mound where all slopes away. 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:07.680 Yeah, there is that kind of ridge there where everything. 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.520 Like in the practice round when it was straight down wind. 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:12.400 I mean we had a seven iron that ran out 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:16.840 thirty yards on that green basically into the hazard and 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:20.160 they'd softened up as the week had gone on. But 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.240 once we had got it in the fairway, I was 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.000 like all right. I was like, well, probably the hardest 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:25.880 shot now for her is just to lay up, which 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.160 was perfect. It was like one hundred and fifty yards 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.880 eight iron down there. Then we left a really good number. 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.560 I think it was like seventy four maybe just a 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:35.680 just a chippy little sand wedge in there. 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.000 Oh, she had a beautiful sandwige in there. 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:39.920 Yeah, Like it was it was really good. It was 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.160 really and that's it. Like again, it talks to just 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.880 play your strengths. I mean, she was playing into department 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.520 of the game that she's like, Okay, well I know 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.040 that I'm extremely good from here, or she should know. 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.400 If she doesn't, then I'm going to tell her then. 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.440 And it's just like all right, you know. But then 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.720 obviously you're not thinking that way at the time, but 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.640 because obviously it's it's golf and there's a human element 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.720 to it, and it's like, okay, well something could still 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.560 go wrong. But yeah, she was fine. We got the number, 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.440 the wind was perfect for it. I mean, she had 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:07.840 a really really good shot in there. 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.400 Are you able in that moment? Yeah? She hits a 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:13.680 beautiful wedge shot. What was the number you said you. 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.880 Guys had I think it was seventy four yards somewhere 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.600 in there, so seventy four yards. 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:19.760 He hit it to like four feet. 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.839 Great feet, yeah, six I think it was about six 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.120 feet six feet. 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.839 I mean, are you able in that moment where you're 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.279 walking up to just in your head just go man, 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.560 what what a great shot? Yeah? 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.680 Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. I mean I don't 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.640 I don't show a whole lot of emotion when I'm 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.279 on a golf course. I know that some caddies will 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.960 be fist pumping and kind of and there's actually quite 0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.280 a lot of the caddies will get a little disgruntled 0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:44.560 or whatever. But like, I was just kind of like, 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.480 all right, I was like, well, we've still got a 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:47.560 two pot from there, you know what I mean, Like 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.480 you're you're thinking, I'm thinking, like probably in a little bit, 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.040 not in the negative, but it's like, all right, well 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.080 we've now got two putts to win. But yeah, when 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:57.720 she rolled it in, I mean it was probably fitting 0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.960 that she rolled it in as well, rather than just 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.479 dollied it up to a foot or whatever then tapped 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:02.680 it in. 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.319 Did she say anything afterwards? Because she looked I mean 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:07.920 I watched it. She looked very emotional. It looked like 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.920 you understood what it meant. Did she say anything? 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.799 No, I don't think she could speak. I mean she 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.319 had tears streaming down her face. I think I had 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:22.000 I had a little sweary word with you legend in there, 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.400 But yeah, no, she never she never said much. I mean, 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.880 it was just it was just mental. I mean then 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.000 even afterwards, I mean the whole because obviously it's not 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.359 the normal golf tournament where they go in and sign 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.080 their scorecard, they come out and they get the trophy. 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.120 I mean, you've got kind of maybe that fifteen twenty 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.960 minute period where they go and they get their you know, 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.080 their track suits on and they come out and it's 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.080 neat that you know this the first time. Well no, 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.759 I saw the ceremony in Tokyo, but obviously to have 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.480 a player up there that I've just helped, it's it's 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:49.320 a pretty neat feeling. 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.239 I was gonna ask, it's got to be a different celebration, Yeah, 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.520 the win an Olympic gold medal than it is to 0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:56.360 win a tournament. 0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:01.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well so that happened. Then the dude, 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.320 Greg Thorpe that was with us, he's the high performance 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.560 manager from New Zealand for Golf, and he was like, 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.480 right now, we need to go to the New Zealand house. 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.160 So we end up getting in this van after she's 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:11.799 done her media or whatever, and we're in this van 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.120 and there was I think he was a Kiwi journalist maybe, 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.279 and he had his laptop and we're standing there or 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.680 we're sitting in this van driving forty minutes into Paris 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.640 and he's got the high jump on because one of 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.360 the key we guys was in the final of the 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.400 high jump. So we're sitting there watching that we just 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.480 won a golf tournament and everybody's worried about this guy 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.960 winning a gold medal. I'm like, this is kind of 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:31.399 a little bit weird. I was like, but it's kind 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:32.600 of cool, Like I can get used to this. 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.919 So then you guys go to the New Zealand house 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.040 and there's all the New Zealand athletes there. 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.600 There was I think it was a lot of sponsors 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:45.239 that help obviously pay for the Olympic stuff. There was 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.880 I believe there was two or three of the athletes there. 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.000 You know, they they sing a song when Lydia goes in, 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.600 they do the hack out right in front of us, 0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:56.719 which is really cool. And then yeah, like everybody's taking 0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:58.520 pictures with the medal like it was really neat. It 0:36:58.560 --> 0:36:59.640 was kind of like, all right, I was like, this 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.759 is what's sports is about. It's not about you know, 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:03.960 it's not about the check it's not about anything like that. 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.359 Like this is the probably the purest form of golf 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.520 you get other than the Solheim Cupp or the Ryder 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.879 Cup or whatever it was neat Then I sat there 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.280 at ten past eleven, eating a curry and drinking a corona. 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.160 I was like, this is this is a little bit odd. 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:16.560 I don't normally be well gone by night. 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:18.640 Did you try on the metal? 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.560 Yeah? I wore it. The thing's heavy, really heavy. 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.720 Everybody says they're really really heavy. 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.319 Yeah. Like I was like, I remember when she was 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.360 walking from press up to she had to go and 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.239 do someone else. I think Molly, the commissioner of the 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.400 LPGA tour. She wanted to present her with something for 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.480 getting into the Hall of Fame. And she's walking up 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:35.719 and I was like, can I just have a quick 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:37.120 look at it before you go in there? She's like 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:38.840 here where? So she put it on my neck and 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.359 I was like, holy crap, this thing is super. 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:52.160 Heavy, amazing. Onto the Women's British Open, Uh Saint Andrew's. 0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.320 I mean, Marina Alex was messaging me all week about 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:56.960 she was just saying it's just so cool. I mean 0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.560 there are there are majors, there are open championship, and 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.759 then there are open championships. At St. Andrew's. Uh yeah, 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:07.400 it's just personally. I know it might sound controversial. I 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.400 wish they'd play it at St Andrews every year. Yeah, 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.080 I wish they would just leave, certainly for the men. 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.080 I just wish they'd leave the Open Championship at St. Andrews, 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.040 the home of golf. Leave it there. Such a great 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.680 golf course. You know, you make that turn and you 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:27.000 come back into the city. It's it's a magical place. Obviously, 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.480 she went into that week playing well. What was the 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.279 week like? As the week progressed, did you guys have 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:37.280 a feeling that she was on the cusp of doing something, 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:39.760 you know, really unique and really really special. 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.640 Yeah, And I kind of thought even before we went there, 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.520 I was like it might take a little bit of 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:48.680 pressure off kind of off the tee as like, as 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.520 you know, you've been there plenty of times, I'm sure 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.000 like the fairways are pretty wide, but there are a 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.200 lot of bunkers that you kind of need to avoid 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.160 that kind of are on the left of every hole, 0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.640 and it's it's almost one of those golf courses where 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:01.640 if you kind of play the hole as it's meant 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.080 to be played, it can be very very easy. But 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.440 that's also you're flirting with a trouble. But then if 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:08.360 you start hitting it left, like the angles into the 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.880 greens aren't very good. And the way that the wind 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.440 was like, it was like the front line was pretty 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:15.239 much hard off the left, whether it was slightly in 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:19.160 or slightly dying every day. But the it was almost like, right, okay, 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:20.479 we need to try and get it in the middle 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:21.960 of our fairway, Like if we can get it as 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:23.600 close to the middle of our fairway every day, because 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.239 I mean some of those fairways are fifty sixty seventy. 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.400 Miles and what people, if you've never played Saint Andrews, 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.000 you can miss it off the tee going out on 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:36.160 the front nine and coming back on the back of 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.440 you can miss it as far left as you want. Yeah, 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.040 that's got one hundred yards left of the fairway, and 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.080 you're still going to be unless you go into a 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.719 bunker or you get unlucky to go into some you know, 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:51.880 gores for or heather, you're probably going to have a 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.960 lie from the fairway. The problem is the angle you're 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.000 coming in from is just going to be. 0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:00.479 Horrendous, exactly. And that's the thing, Like I remember Lydia 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.360 had played there in thirteen and I can't remember what 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.879 hole we were playing, and she kind of looked back 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.960 and like, say, we're playing like fifteen or whatever it is. 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.960 I mean, and there's bunkers that you can't even see 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.960 off the tee. We can see them because we have 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.719 a yardage book and obviously I've walked to golf course 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:16.359 et cetera or whatever. But it's like when you look 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.680 back and it's like that bunker shouldn't even be on 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:20.840 this hole, but it's like in the middle of whatever 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.319 fairway you're playing, because it's actually a bunker that's actually 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:24.960 meant to have gone or it looks like it was 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.279 going the other way. So yeah, I mean, we just 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.640 we had a really good game plan. Again, it was 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.239 kind of similar to Paris. It was like as the 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:33.799 week went on, it was like when we were just 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.880 hanging around, hanging around. Then obviously again in that final 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.880 day and I remember somebody or saying to me on 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.520 the Saturday night, They're like, uh, you're probably hoping that 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.200 it's not windy tomorrow, and I'm like, I hope it's 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.200 really windy tomorrow. It's like, because we played really good 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.919 for three days in fairness for the first two days 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.319 we got the best of the draw. I mean, that's 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.480 another thing when it comes to the Open is that. 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.160 You always have to get the right side of the draw. 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:55.799 I have to get the luck in the draw. Like 0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:59.160 we played on Thursday, I think we only we maybe 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:01.760 had like four or five with very little wind compared 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:03.960 to what they've been in the morning. Then on the 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.680 Friday morning, I mean we literally played the hole the 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.759 back nine with very little wind. Then you make the 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.759 turn and it starts howling when you're on one. But 0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:14.719 then on Saturday we played it in the wind all 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:16.760 day and I was like, I hope it's really windy, 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.040 because then you know, and as you know, it's like 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:20.919 you don't really need to miss a hole a shot 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.799 very badly when it's that windy, and it just gets exaggerated. 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.600 But she had basically been hitting her lines off the 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.080 tees and I was like, if we can just keep 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.600 doing that, you know, we're we're going to be fine. 0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.239 Then I mean you get round to I mean with 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.080 the wind that strong, you get round to like seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.960 then twelve, and it feels like you're in a wind tunnel. 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.160 It's like little micro climate it's like it's howling, And 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.040 it was like it was almost the same thing every day. 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.320 It's like, okay, like let's get through the first six holes, 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:51.160 kind of hang on to your hat a little bit. 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:55.600 Once you get to seventy, get round to thirteen. Then, 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.160 because she plays a little cap I was like, I 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:00.000 was never really that fearpole on the back nine because 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.439 it was like we had good targets. She was hitting 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:03.880 good shots off of tea and I'm like, if we 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:05.520 can just keep hitting it in the fairway, like she's 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.040 capable of hitting it close and making a couple of birdies, 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.319 and that was it. Then it wasn't really as she said, 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:11.919 it was probably the same for me. I didn't realize 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.319 that we were tied for the lead until she had 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.640 that three foot or on sixteen on Sunday, So I 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:17.000 was just. 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.480 Gonna ask, is she a scoreboard watcher? Are you a 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:20.440 scoreboard watcher? 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.879 I look, she looks. We never really ever talk about 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:25.240 it because at the end of the day, it doesn't 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:26.719 really matter where you are, like you still have to 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:28.600 stand there and execute the shot. I know that some 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:30.560 caddies and players, I mean I know that Anna in 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.840 the past has said to me, you know, where do 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:33.320 we stand? 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:33.520 Like? 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.200 That was kind of actually one thing when we were 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.960 in COVID in Arkansas when I was Caddy and Farannah 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.239 there was no scoreboards, but we were a look at 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.000 her phone to look at the scores, and I actually, 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.359 I'll take the blame for that one. I actually never 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.000 told her where she stood with about four holes to go, 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:49.360 and she said she told me afterwards. She's like, it 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:50.839 wouldn't have made a difference. She's like, but it would 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.480 obviously be nice to know. So I think all of 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.560 them look, but like I never ever bring it up, like, Okay, 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.040 we'll maybe if we were one or two back with 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.839 three holes to be to go, or I'd be like, okay, 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.680 look we kind of maybe need to take a little 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.359 bit more of a risk here there. But when you're 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.120 when you're in that position of tied for the lead 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.680 or that close to the lead with especially with seventeen, 0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:11.920 it's just like you've just got to stand there and 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.520 now show you don't really need to be thinking about Okay, 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.520 well you know, I don't need to have a bad 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.000 one here because we're tied for the lead. 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.600 Everybody has seen the seventy te shot at St. Andrews, 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.400 where you've got to go basically over the corner of 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.919 the hotel. They've seen it on TV, but if you've 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.799 never stood up and had to hit that shot, but 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.840 in competition, yeah, getting the line and where the wind 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.560 is and how much the wind is going to affect it, 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.520 that to me has got to be a caddy nightmare 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:44.120 when you're sitting back there because you're basically staring at 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.799 this big giant building that, depending on where the wind is, 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.919 the line can sometimes be. You're basically hitting it over 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.239 the building and you're like, no, no, that's gonna be fine. 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.120 That's gonna be fine. That's gonna be fine. And you 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.719 get down there and it just never looks like it's 0:43:58.760 --> 0:43:59.960 going to be in the fair one. 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.640 Yeah, yeah, no it is. And especially and it was like, 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.440 I've played Saint Andrews maybe ten or eleven times before, 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.480 and I knew what my line would have been from 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.680 obviously the further back to you or whatever. But when 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:13.360 you're standing off to the side and it's like this 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.360 ball takes off and you're like, is that going exactly 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.480 where she's looking like, because obviously the angle skewed, and 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.760 it's like but she hit it. She hit it pretty 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:24.040 much exactly where she was looking on that T show. 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:25.800 Every time. I think the furthest left we would have 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.480 been would have been like left half of the fairway. 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:29.480 You guys never missed the fairway. 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.399 No, we were in the fairway on that hole every 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:32.319 day they. 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:37.279 Hit the seventeenth fairway in a major championship at Saint 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:42.239 Andrews is for four days because there's so much chance there. Right, 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.440 you could hit an absolute perfect one and it hits 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:49.480 the mound and goes hits it sideways and you are you've. 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.440 Got no shot exactly and it sounds stupid, but like 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:54.920 there is a lot more room there right, but like 0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.640 left is actually death. Everybody thinks that left is okay. 0:44:57.719 --> 0:44:59.480 But left's fine if you want to hit it short 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.080 at the green, but you have you've literally gotten like 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.920 there's not really a hole or there's not really a 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:07.960 good chance of making par from that left rough it's 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.120 not very thick, but like you have zero angle, Like 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:11.799 the only thing that's staring at you is short at 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:12.600 the green or the road. 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.920 And on Sunday they're going to tuck the pin if 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:16.640 you miss it left, they're going to tuck the pin 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.239 over the road hole bunker. So now you know, if 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.880 you go you hit it in there, you're making X. 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.200 Yeah exactly, you're probably like you might have a putt 0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.160 for four, you're probably making five. And if you're not 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.320 making five, you're probably making a six or seven. 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:33.239 But I think that's a great that hole and that 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:37.919 hole on Sunday, isn't It is an example of if 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.920 you want to win the golf tournament. There are times 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:43.440 in major champions but I think every player goes through this. 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:48.879 You've seen it on TV, but that is okay, if 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.600 we want to win the golf tournament, we have to 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:56.520 make a par on this hole. And the mindset. I 0:45:56.520 --> 0:46:01.160 don't think people realize that are listening realized how difficult 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:06.000 that mindset is because you're always attacked, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack. 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.160 But sometimes when you know all you have to do 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.719 is make a par when you go into that not defense. 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.919 So I guess that's the question is the county When 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.080 you say, okay, we are going to play for par, 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.520 it is easy to think of that as a defensive strategy, 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.680 like the prevent defense they were in team sports in 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.200 basketball football, What does the prevent defense prevent you from winning. 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.400 Every time you go into the prevent defense, it seems 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:36.000 like the team loses, right. So when you're in that situation, 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:40.040 you're trying to talk her into the smart play and say, listen, 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:43.240 left is fine. Short is in the road hole bunker. 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:47.560 We're making bogy or double from there. Yeah, front right 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.000 to that pin, we're not going to be able to 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:54.480 get it close. Left is the play. How do you 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:59.640 convey that and see that as a positive and play 0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:03.680 of aggressively but conservatively because I think that's a balance 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:08.000 that a lot of players struggle with. You know, conservative 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:12.600 target but it's something I say all the time, conservative 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:17.600 targets but committed aggressive swing to conservative targets. The big 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:22.040 difference between being aggressive and reckless. But I think that's 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:26.040 the trap that a lot of players, specifically when you 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:29.759 are trying to break ninety one hundred and eighty for 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.160 the first time, just don't be reckless. You still be aggressive, 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:39.400 but committed swings to conservative targets. That process, How did 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.560 you guys go through that process? 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.960 The first two days of pins were on I don't know, 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:46.480 I can't remember what they were on, but they were 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.200 on the front right part of that green and we 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:50.719 had I kind of remember, I think we had five 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.719 iron both times. I mean, normally we would probably have 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:55.560 hit four hybrids. So it was like right on the 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.120 limit of whether it was going to land up top 0:47:58.600 --> 0:47:59.920 or maybe not up top, but like right on the 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:01.839 rest of that hill on the front right of the green. 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:03.879 And it was just like, like, just keep it right 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.480 like we can. We cannot hit this golf club onto 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.200 the road like that. When the pin's on the right 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:10.600 hand side, I'm gonna hit it in the bunker. It's like, 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.600 just keep it right in the flag. You know, we 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:14.799 cannot hit this long. So but if you hit it 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.760 good or it gets a bounce, you know, a links golf'slike, 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:18.239 I mean every now and again you get the old 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.560 bounce and it goes some stupid distance or whatever. And 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:23.920 I was like, the bounce is not gonna affect us 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:25.759 that badly here. So the first two days we were 0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.120 kind of short, right, she hit two good lag puts 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:29.960 up there. I mean, we made part there four days 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:31.000 and then. 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.440 You sprint, yeah the next hole if you're making par 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:35.839 there every day. 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:37.840 Yeah. Then on the third day, that was when it 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:40.040 was tucked right behind the bunker, I mean and I've 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.760 played that pin position before in the Saint Andrew's Links Trophy, 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.680 and I don't think I hit it left at that point. 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.000 I was probably reckless and went at the flag. But 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:50.239 it's like, again, it's like plate your strengths. I think 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:53.279 that's where they are a lot better than obviously your 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:57.279 average golfer is, because the strength of Lydia is our 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:58.600 short game. I mean, she can get it up and 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.000 down out a ball washer. So it's like that was 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.080 kind of what I was saying to her, was like, look, 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:06.240 let's just hit this one left. You're gonna have twenty yards. 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.120 But if you hit it on the front right part 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:09.680 of the green, you're either going to have to chip 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.080 it from there, you're gonna land it on a downslope. 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.719 You're gonna have maybe ten feet. Like if you've got 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.040 twenty yards with a lob wedge in your hand, you 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.880 could chip that in. So it's like you're you're essentially 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.239 taking five out of the equation. Then on the final day, 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.000 it was kind of tucked just over the slope to 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:25.360 the right of the bunker, so you're now that was 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.200 probably the hardest pin because obviously you're bringing in short 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.040 right or short left. If it's like even if it's 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:31.520 short left and it's not in the bunker, I mean, 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:33.920 that's no gimme up and down. If it's in the bunker, 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.480 it's not an easy up and down. And if you 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:37.760 hit it long, it's into the road. So I'm sure 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:39.759 anybody that watched on the coverage, I mean, it was 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.120 pissing it down with rain and the wind picked up, 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:43.719 and it was it was one of those I can't 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:45.520 remember what number we had, but it was like it 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:47.319 was way shorter than what a three wood was. And 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:48.880 she was like, do I just punch you know, just 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:50.759 flight a three wood in there? And I'm like yeah, 0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:52.200 and she I think she said it in her press 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.840 conference afterwards. It was like she had a club in 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:57.040 her hand that she couldn't go long. It was like 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.240 there was no way that she could get that essentially 0:49:59.239 --> 0:49:59.960 past the flag. 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.600 Yeah, so that shot, she has to hit that shot 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:05.680 in that situation. 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.359 Yeah, And that was the thing, like as I said, 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.360 I think she said it in the press conference afterwards, 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:13.960 like she literally had a club that she couldn't hit long. Like, 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:16.080 So for that one for us short right, same as 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.879 the front first two pins, I mean that was kind 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:20.480 of where you wanted to hit it. I mean, and 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.560 she hit this unbelieva like I'm standing there with the 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:24.440 umbrella trying to peek my head out to see. I mean, 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:27.560 she hits this unbelievably low three wood, and as soon 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:28.920 as it came off, I was like, as long as 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.239 that doesn't kick left, like, we're gonna have a pot 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.080 at Bertie. Like, I don't know how long that put's 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:34.799 going to because it might have just cress it up. 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:36.560 It might have ended up getting up and coming back down. 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.400 I was like, but we're gonna have a chance at Birdie. 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:40.560 I mean, and it's obviously crept up there, kind of 0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:43.200 ran a little left and it was It was good. 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.839 I actually thought that she was probably gonna hold that pot. 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.319 But I mean it's not It's not an easy green 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:49.920 hole any kind of put on. I mean, there's a 0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:52.399 lot more slope there again than people actually realize when 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:53.160 you're watching on TV. 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:55.719 So then you go to eighteen, Did you guys know 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:56.600 where you stood? 0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:00.960 Yeah? I think we well, yes, we would both after 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.239 we were all well, after we finished sixteen that we 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:05.160 were tied for the lead. Yeah, then there was a 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:07.040 big leader board to the like behind and to the 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:08.439 left of seventeen Green. 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.319 I can't think of a better place to stand up 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:15.839 in a major championship. I mean, going back into the 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:19.600 town of Saint Andrew's, I mean, it is magical if 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.160 you if you get a chance to even go there, 0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.920 if you get a chance to play, But to be 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.160 on the eighteenth hole, I mean, were you aware of 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:31.400 that we were at least, or were you so in 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.800 the moment when at any point when you were walking 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.120 down there did you kind of go wow? 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:37.480 No? 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.640 I never did. I mean, that's the thing is like 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:42.480 I think when you're in the heat of the moment, 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:43.920 it's just kind of like, all right, well, we've just 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:45.799 got a job to do. I don't think it ever, 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:49.120 or I don't think it's sunk in yet, But I mean, 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:51.120 to win it Saint Andrews is cool. I remember saying 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:54.040 to her afterwards, once everything had happened and we went 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.000 she was down getting pictures on the Swilkin Bridge, and 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:57.239 I was like, right, I'm gonna leave you, because she 0:51:57.280 --> 0:51:58.359 had a bunch of other stuff to do and they 0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:01.320 were obviously going for dinner. I left there on the bridge, 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.480 photographers everywhere, and I was like I said to her. 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:05.880 I was like, only legends win here. I was like, 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:08.719 this is literally where legends win, as like the old 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:11.200 courses Andrews. I was like, and you are now or 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:12.879 you were a legend anyway, I was like, but you're 0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:15.200 you're now a legend. So I hope that she kind 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:16.960 of took it like I took it in. Then I 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:18.400 wouldn't have took it in at the time that we 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:19.680 were that we were doing it. 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:23.080 How many drinks did you have on the Sunday night? 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.960 Give me a tally? Come on, where'd you go? 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:26.399 First? 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:27.680 Of all, we got a top where'd you go? 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:32.240 I went to Russex. We went to the rooftop restaurant 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.120 in Russex, had some dinner there, rememb we had three 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:37.279 or four beers there. Then we went to the vic. 0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:38.160 Have you ever been to the Vica? 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:38.279 Oh? 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:39.120 Yeah, I've been to the VIC. 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:39.800 Yeah. 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:41.799 And I walk in there and I ordered a pint 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:43.920 attendants in the gimme and like the old school mug. 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.000 And I've still got my ring year on. I've got 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:47.640 like all my stuff from the golf course or whatever. 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:49.520 And when we were down in Troon the week before, 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:51.840 I'd seen that they'd been serving tenants and those like 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.120 Stella Attua goblets, and I was like, weird, It's like 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.040 that doesn't really fit tenants. So of course this chick 0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.239 gives me the my pint attendants in this mug, and 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.120 I was like, I'm having this and she's like, no, 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:02.880 you're not, and I was like, yeah, I'm my buddy. 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:04.319 It was with me. He was like, he just won 0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:06.840 the openings and Andrews just give him the mug and I 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:08.440 was like, I'm taking it. I was like, I don't care. 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.319 I was like, and I might even get you rinsed out, 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:11.600 and she's like, you can have it, but I'm not 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:13.120 rinsed it out for you. So I ended up walking 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:14.759 out of there with two So somebody from the vix 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.040 liston has like, apologies, I've got two year glasses. 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.319 So what's next for Lyddy? I mean, obviously, you know, 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:22.239 she's twenty seven. 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.720 She's saying she's probably not going to play golf much longer, 0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:29.839 you know, three years until she's thirty eight years since 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:30.880 she won her last major. 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:32.800 She's now won Olympic gold medal. 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.480 Do you think getting into the Hall of Fame will 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:40.720 take some pressure off? Do you think that was weighing 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:41.480 on her mind. 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:44.480 I think it probably was at the start when I 0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:48.200 first started caddying four, and I mean i'm speaking for 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.880 or now. I think it was at the start. Then 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:53.400 when we won in Orlando, then obviously got beat the 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:55.319 falling week in a playoff by Nelly. I think that 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:57.600 she maybe felt a kind of a little bit like 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:00.360 her chance came and gone. But then I think she 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.279 said since that like her her mom and her her 0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.000 husband had said to her, like it doesn't really matter 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:07.279 about the Hall of Fame. I mean, and that was 0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:09.239 the thing. Like I like, as you said earlier, like 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:12.520 the criteria to get in the LPGA Hall of Fame 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.000 is insanity. Like I looked at I like every time 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:16.160 I would go out there, I'm like, she is a 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.160 Hall of Famer. Like there's nobody out here that has 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:22.319 as many points or whatever it is to get into 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.440 that Hall of Fame. It's like she is literally a 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.440 Hall of Famer. And like I never ever said to her, 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:27.960 but I was like, if they change it, you're gonna 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:29.200 get in any way. I know you don't want to 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:31.759 backdoor it that way, but like they would probably have 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:33.279 changed it at some point, and she would have got in. 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.239 I don't think she would have really have accepted it 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:36.960 that way, and she didn't have to. Well she doesn't 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.200 have to now, but yeah, I think that there probably 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.080 is a little bit of pressure off. I mean, she 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.759 could go on a crazy run for you know, the 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.919 rest of this year, twenty seven years old exactly. She's 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.320 twenty seven, I mean, And that's what I said on Sunday. 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:52.759 I was like, it's not like she's thirty seven, and 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.400 it's like she's forty. It's not like she's like dwindling 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.680 down and she only has like a year left to play. 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.400 Like she she literally could probably take a if she 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.000 wanted to, then come back and play again if she 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:06.080 really wanted to. I don't think she will. But yeah, no, 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.000 I honestly don't know. I haven't really spoke to her 0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:09.360 over the last couple of days. I've just kind of 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.520 left her. I mean, I know she was going back 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:15.600 to San fran on the Friday morning. I'm back at 0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:18.200 my parents' house in Scotland, so I've kind of I 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:20.799 don't really have the great service and I've just kind 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:22.560 of I've just been trying to take it all in. 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:23.879 But it's absolutely nuts. 0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:24.239 But yeah. 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:26.439 I mean, she still has a lot of good golf 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:28.160 to play. I mean, I don't think anybody needs to 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:31.759 be worried about her running off into the sunset. Yet. 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.960 Lastly, your goal growing up in Aberdeen, Scotland was to 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:37.400 play professional golf. 0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:40.560 You had those moments like everybody does. 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:42.640 Where you're a kid and you're hole in a putt 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:45.440 to win the Open Championship or stuff like that. It 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.680 didn't turn out like that for you, but you've now 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:51.560 been on the bag for two Open Championships at arguably 0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:57.759 that other than maybe true Carnustian, Saint Andrews Okay, Mirfield 0:55:57.880 --> 0:55:59.279 is probably those are the four. 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:02.560 Yeah, you couldn't script it. 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:06.960 Any better, being from Scotland on the bag to caddy 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.480 and have an Open Championship win at Carnoustie, and then 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:12.600 to have one at the home of golf Saint Andrews. 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:16.160 Has it sunk in for you personally? Have you allowed 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:19.880 yourself to kind of congratulate yourself and go, man, this 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:20.560 is pretty cool. 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:25.920 No, And I don't know why, but it's it's almost 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:28.160 I don't know. I suppose I take a little bit 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:29.640 of the mentality of what I was like as a 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:31.719 player and my caddian and it's like, I don't get 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:33.400 me wrong, it is very special. I mean they're the 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:37.520 two that's probably the only two golf tournaments that the 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.120 women will play that will be anywhere remotely close to 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:42.840 where I grew up and I play. I played Carnoustie 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:46.560 on Monday after Saint Andrew's actually midday and I walked 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.120 up on the first tea and the starter was like, oh, 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:50.560 have you played here before? And I was like, yeah, 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:52.200 a long time ago. And he's like, well when was that? 0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:53.799 And I was like it was twenty two years ago 0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.160 in the British Boys. And he's like that's a long 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.480 time and he's like, oh yeah. And it was actually 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:00.799 Anna Nordquist Sea time. She couldn't make it. She was 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:03.200 going to Boston, her manager set up and he's like, 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.239 he's like, you've been very lucky. He's like, it was 0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:06.960 meant to be on an Nordquist that was played today 0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:09.279 and I was like, well, I actually caddied for here 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.960 in twenty twenty one. When she won. Was like and 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:14.879 he's like oh, and I was like yeah, so no, 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:17.920 I don't and I don't think like a lot of 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:19.560 people close to me get annoy you may because I 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:22.040 don't ever really take any of the credit for the success, 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:25.440 and I don't think that what I do is that difficult, 0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:29.800 and I just it's just a pleasure to to work 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.720 for good players. It's a pleasure to watch good golf. 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.760 And I've just been very, very lucky that I've managed 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:37.720 to win probably two of the biggest tournaments in the 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:42.160 women's game, basically on my doorstep. I mean, it's pretty neat. 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:43.080 It is pretty neat. 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:43.600 One day. 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:46.040 I'm sure I'm going to sit back when I'm in 0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:48.439 Saint Pete long time from now, and I'll be having 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.360 a beer and I'll maybe shed a little tear and 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:54.440 be excited about it. But I mean, it's like, you 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:56.520 know what, it's like, all these all these guys that 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:58.320 you work with, It's like once they won one tournament, 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:00.120 they get to the next. It's like, it's not that 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:01.800 they forget about it. But you've got a job to do. 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.080 You're gonna get the Olympic tattoo. 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:08.320 I might do. I might do. Know that. I again, 0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:11.080 I want not massive proponent for the for the golf 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.640 and the Olympics, but I'll maybe I'll maybe make an exception. 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:15.800 I mean, come on, man, you got to do it. 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:18.680 Yeah, no, I probably will. I probably will. That'll be 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:19.720 my nice little memento. 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.560 Well, as much as I know that you wanted to 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:25.520 play and we worked pretty hard to try and get 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:29.960 you to reach your dreams, I'm proud of you. 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:31.560 Man. It's it's been fun to watch. 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:36.080 Uh. These moments are special when you're in them, and 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.480 when you're a part of them, it's hard to to 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:43.600 understand what has happened. But we are so lucky to 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:47.960 be around great players, to have an opportunity to share 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.680 in their success, to have an opportunity to be a 0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:54.280 part of their success. Listen, we all know that, you know, 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:55.920 in the world that we live in, they could do 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:58.840 it without us. Yeah, right, they are the best players 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.640 in the world. They could win tournaments, they could win 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:05.640 majors without our involvement. But it's also important. It's something 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:08.720 you know, my father's always said. Yeah, you know, I 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:10.440 look at Tiger's success. He could have done all of 0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:13.640 this without me. I just know he didn't. And yeah, 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.840 I think it's it's important to remember that. Yeah, I mean, 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.240 they can always do it without you. They can always 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:24.640 win tournaments. Their talent is amazing. It's great, but they 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:27.560 don't do it without you, and you are a part 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:30.480 of it. Are you the reason? Hell no, they're the reason, right, 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:34.160 we all know they're the reason. But yeah, we do play, 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:37.840 and you'd have played an enormous part in the success 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:40.840 of both, you know, Anna, But I think Lydia's this year. 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:42.880 I think the reset of getting somebody like you on 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.800 the bag who had some experience of playing, who could 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:49.800 make things on the golf course simpler, to make it 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:53.600 less pressurized. I'm proud of you, mate, You've done a 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.240 great job and I think you're going to have more 0:59:56.320 --> 1:00:02.479 continued success and hopefully we'll celebrate with some alcohol soon. 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.840 We will, for sure, I'll come down for a lesson. 1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:10.240 Please please tell me your your mother has overloaded you 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:14.440 with square sausage sandwiches and you know, all the good. 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:18.440 Stuff Macaroni prize, bridy sausage roles. That's the only thing 1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:20.480 I missed, because obviously I live in Florida, know, And 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:22.200 it's like, that's the only thing I missed, Like just 1:00:22.240 --> 1:00:24.600 all the all the Scottish crap bakery goods. I like 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:26.600 all the savory goods, like even the candy, Like I 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.000 order iron Brew off Amazon like every week when I'm 1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.160 at home, so iron Brew, I don't really miss that much. 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:34.560 But yeah, yeah, all the all the square sausage and 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:35.160 all that kind of stuff. 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.680 It's been good, great to talk to you, mate. We'll 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:39.360 look forward to seeing you soon. Travel safe. 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:40.320 Thanks God. 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:44.240 So that was Paul Kormack. And listen for those of 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:46.040 you that listen to the pod on a regular basis. 1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:49.760 I try and talk all the time about minimizing mistakes, 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:52.800 playing to your strengths as a player, trying to eliminate 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:56.040 the big numbers. And you just heard a guy who's 1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:59.200 on the bag for Lydia coach. He just won an 1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:02.360 Olympic gold medal. She just won her third major after 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:06.280 an eight year drought. He talked a lot about she 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:09.880 plays her strengths, she tries to limit the damage and 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:11.960 just tries to play smart. And I just think that 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:15.919 is something that everyone that's listening can take the heart 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:19.040 with their own game. You know, make a good bogie, 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:21.840 you don't have to go for the hero shot. Play 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:24.840 to what your strengths are. Know what your strengths are, 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:27.680 and that's what the best players in the world do. Yes, 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:29.680 they hit better shots than we do. Of course they do. 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:31.720 They're the best players in the world, but they also 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:35.920 limit the damage. They manage their missues, they manage their 1:01:35.920 --> 1:01:38.080 mistakes better, and I think Paul did a great job 1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:40.840 at talking about kind of the process that Lydia goes through. 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:44.440 And you know, anytime you can listen to a caddy, 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.320 that caddy's for a great player that's winning big tournaments, 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:50.280 I think it's very unique insight because I think caddies 1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:55.600 have the best seat for professional golf. They're up close 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:59.280 with their player, and I really enjoyed that. I'm proud 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:02.920 of Paul. I consider him a friend and a really 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:06.160 really cool talk So I want to thank everyone for listening, Rate, review, 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:09.200 subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.