Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host
Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week's guest Paul Kormack. Paul Caddy's on
Speaker 1: the bag with Lydia Coe. She's won a gold medal,
Speaker 1: won her third major at the AIG Women's Open at St.
Speaker 1: Andrew's And this is a really, really cool story. But
Speaker 1: it's a fun one for me because Paul, he's from Scotland.
Speaker 1: I used to live in Scotland from Aberdeen. I used
Speaker 1: to live in Aberdeen. But I used to teach him.
Speaker 1: He was trying to play. He had status on PJ
Speaker 1: Tour Canada, so back in kind of I think he
Speaker 1: quit playing in twenty sixteen. He was trying to play.
Speaker 1: I worked with him on his game. He was a
Speaker 1: good player. But to watch the success he's had in
Speaker 1: the caddy in ranks on the LPGA, I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the best caddies in the world and it's
Speaker 1: fun to watch him do what he does. I know
Speaker 1: him well and to see him doing all the stuff
Speaker 1: that he's doing to be a part of Lydia's team
Speaker 1: to win an Olympic gold medal, which completes you know,
Speaker 1: she's got a Bronze silver and now our gold and
Speaker 1: then for Paul being from Scotland, from Aberdeen to be
Speaker 1: on the bag for Lydia at the Home of Golf.
Speaker 1: Such is such a cool story. I'm really excited for
Speaker 1: everyone to hear this one. Paul Kormack on the Son
Speaker 1: of a Butch podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, I guess today Paul Cormack, Paul, you and
Speaker 2: I worked together when you were trying to play competitive
Speaker 2: professional golf. You know, you, like a lot of players,
Speaker 2: came from overseas, came to America with aspirations to play.
Speaker 2: How did you get into caddying and what was the
Speaker 2: decision making behind becoming a caddy. We'll get to the
Speaker 2: superstars you've caddied four and all the majors and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. But I always think it's interesting ex players
Speaker 2: their journey to becoming a professional caddy. I think we
Speaker 2: see more of that now maybe than we did in
Speaker 2: the past. Or a lot of players on the PGA
Speaker 2: Tour that had status. There's a lot of guys out
Speaker 2: on the LPGA that had status as well. But your
Speaker 2: journey to becoming a professional caddy from trying to play,
Speaker 2: what was the decision behind that?
Speaker 3: I mean, the decision was probably it was probably my
Speaker 3: easiest way to get back into that competitive environment of
Speaker 3: where I wanted to be. And as you know, I
Speaker 3: was a member at Bay Hill. I was lucky enough
Speaker 3: to be a member there for about five years. And
Speaker 3: it was Maria Huorth her husband. She used to play
Speaker 3: on the LPGA tour. Her husband, Sean McBride was a caddy.
Speaker 3: He carried on the LPGA for a long time, caddied
Speaker 3: on the PGA Tour and I think at that time
Speaker 3: he might have been carrying for Bryce Moulder. And when
Speaker 3: I stopped playing, he basically we sat and had a
Speaker 3: beer in the clubhouse and he was like, what are
Speaker 3: you going to do? And I was like, I've got
Speaker 3: no idea. But obviously I wanted to remain in golf.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not the smartest person on the planet.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know how I'm going
Speaker 3: to make any money unless it's something involved in golf.
Speaker 3: And I thought about coaching, and then I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go in at kind of the
Speaker 3: bottom level and then work my way up and then
Speaker 3: you know, there's no guarantees there. I mean, there was
Speaker 3: no guarantees Caddian, but like, I figured that I could
Speaker 3: probably work my way up quicker with the knowledge that
Speaker 3: I have in the game caddying than I could anything else.
Speaker 3: So that was kind of it. And I told him
Speaker 3: for a start, I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 3: do it, as like it sounds miserable, and he kind
Speaker 3: of kept on at me and he was like, you'd
Speaker 3: be really good at it, and I kind of I
Speaker 3: was like, okay. I was like, put me in touch
Speaker 3: with some people. I eventually got in touch with some people,
Speaker 3: and then dude called me. He's like, do you want
Speaker 3: to come and work at Kingsmill for an American rookie?
Speaker 3: And I said yes, And that was it, and I'm
Speaker 3: still doing it today. I mean, I love it, but
Speaker 3: it's definitely a different side of the game.
Speaker 2: How many years ago was that, because I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of when you made the decision to quit trying
Speaker 2: to play full time.
Speaker 3: Twenty and sixteen was the last time I went to
Speaker 3: Q school, so it would have been May of two
Speaker 3: thousand and seventeen that I started caddy in.
Speaker 2: So the first player you worked with was.
Speaker 3: Here, Maddie Shields.
Speaker 2: Maddie shield How long that last.
Speaker 3: Uh six events. I did kings Mill Shopwright Tournament in
Speaker 3: Our Arbor, Michigan. I think we did a tournament in Canada,
Speaker 3: did another one in Michigan and Grand Rapids, and I
Speaker 3: think Arkansas was the last one. And I drove every
Speaker 3: single one of the other than I took my car,
Speaker 3: and my car at the time was a Kia Optima,
Speaker 3: and it broke down in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The engine seized,
Speaker 3: and so I had to rent a car and drive
Speaker 3: to Arkansas. And I drove all the way back to
Speaker 3: Orlando with this rental car.
Speaker 2: The glamorous life of professional golf. Yeah, so when you
Speaker 2: started out, give yourself a grade those first six tournaments
Speaker 2: is to caddy versus where you are.
Speaker 3: Today, Ah, like two or three. I mean, I had
Speaker 3: no idea. I mean it's just completely different. I mean
Speaker 3: that's the thing. Like I remember once I'd kind of
Speaker 3: got to know some of the guys. Davy Jones, who
Speaker 3: now caddies for Running Yin. He was caddying for Suzanne
Speaker 3: Patterson at the time, and obviously he's Northern. I I
Speaker 3: was chatting away to him and he's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I used to play as well. And all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, and I remember it. So after six events,
Speaker 3: ni on Troi called me, so I worked for her.
Speaker 3: The first event I worked for ni on Choi is
Speaker 3: the US Open at Trump Medminster. I'm in this golf course,
Speaker 3: like I've never seen a US Open golf course at
Speaker 3: all in the flash and I'm walking this thing and
Speaker 3: I'm like, how do we get around here? I'm like, right,
Speaker 3: I'm like, Dave, can you give me a little bit
Speaker 3: of kind of pointers? And He's like, you just need
Speaker 3: to figure out roughly where you're going to be. He's like,
Speaker 3: then you know, you get the heads that you think
Speaker 3: you're gonna need. He's like, then you just kind of
Speaker 3: work off that. He's like, if you've always got like
Speaker 3: a reference point, He's like, you can basically work off that.
Speaker 3: He's like, it's not too difficult. So the first six events,
Speaker 3: I would say that I would have been probably like
Speaker 3: a two or three. I wouldn't have been any good
Speaker 3: Like I was. I was. I understood golf, but I
Speaker 3: don't like I understood the art of caddying. I still
Speaker 3: don't think I do.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people will find that very
Speaker 2: interesting because obviously trying to play professionally. You play college
Speaker 2: golf in America, you know, you had some status. P
Speaker 2: J turt Canada, you know how to play golf. But
Speaker 2: what is the difference? Because I look at a guy
Speaker 2: like Austin Johnson, right AJ, who's caddy for his brother DJ.
Speaker 2: When AJ came out, he didn't know anything, right, he
Speaker 2: played college basketball, He wasn't a golfer. And AJ has
Speaker 2: turned into one of the best caddies in the world.
Speaker 2: And it's just not because he caddies for his brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that jump from.
Speaker 2: Playing competitively to caddya, what's the difficulty because in my mind,
Speaker 2: I think there would be a lot of it that
Speaker 2: would be similar.
Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, I think because you're not doing it
Speaker 3: for yourself and you're actually doing it for somebody else.
Speaker 3: And it's like like my like I listen to a
Speaker 3: lot of different podcasts and stuff like that, and fear
Speaker 3: of failure, and I think I played golf that way,
Speaker 3: like I didn't want, like I was scared, so like
Speaker 3: I ultimately when I played, I played scared. But then
Speaker 3: with like the math that goes in with caddying and
Speaker 3: kind of like the wind and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It was like kind of like, Okay, I don't want
Speaker 3: to get it wrong, but it's like you don't want
Speaker 3: to get it wrong for somebody else. Like for me,
Speaker 3: if I got it wrong for myself, then I'm like
Speaker 3: all right whatever, like I can get up and down
Speaker 3: or whatever. But it's like you just like you don't
Speaker 3: want to get a show it at.
Speaker 2: When you're trying to get numbers and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you have to do it quite quickly, and you want
Speaker 2: to get the information as a caddy as quickly as
Speaker 2: you can so that you can give the information to
Speaker 2: the player and say, listen, this is this is what
Speaker 2: we've got. You know, it's one sixty eight to the front,
Speaker 2: it's one fifty to carry the bunk or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Then you can kind of go into the strategy part
Speaker 2: of it. But I don't think people realize. I mean,
Speaker 2: I could never be a caddy unless I can use
Speaker 2: the rain further because I basically can't add. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'd have to take my shoes off and I'd be
Speaker 2: counting on your fingers and I'd always get the number one.
Speaker 2: But the mass part of it early on, did that
Speaker 2: take some adjusting to get used to, or is it
Speaker 2: just repetition. You just get used to doing it. Are
Speaker 2: you someone that adds in your head or are you
Speaker 2: someone that writes it down?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, it probably took me a little bit of
Speaker 3: a minute of adjustment because on the mini tours, although
Speaker 3: in Canada, I don't think that we could use range
Speaker 3: finders when I was in Canada, but like playing the
Speaker 3: Hooter's Tour and like the E Goolf and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, we could use rangefinders, but like I
Speaker 3: had to then go back to pacing it and you know,
Speaker 3: angles and all that kind of stuff when I first
Speaker 3: went out in the LPG. Now we can use range finders,
Speaker 3: which I hate because I actually think it takes away
Speaker 3: from the guys that go and walk the golf course
Speaker 3: and figure out angles and you know dog legs if
Speaker 3: you're down the left and the pins on the left
Speaker 3: and it's going to play shorter, Like everybody has that information.
Speaker 3: Whereas I said, I wasn't smart, but I'm probably smart
Speaker 3: enough to figure out, you know, if it's going to
Speaker 3: play shorter or longer. But yeah, it's not. I don't
Speaker 3: write anything down like a lot of guys will write down,
Speaker 3: you know, like one fifty plus fifteen one sixty five.
Speaker 3: I just do it all in my head, and I
Speaker 3: find actually find that kind of humorous because I was
Speaker 3: crap at math in school. I mean, it's simple math,
Speaker 3: but like I had to write everything down when I
Speaker 3: was in school, So now I don't do it, so yeah,
Speaker 3: it's I don't know, it's weird, but yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: don't do any of the edition or whatever subtraction in
Speaker 3: my book. I just do all on my head.
Speaker 2: I've had my uncle Billy on the pod a couple
Speaker 2: of times. He caddied for Jayhawk for thirty years. I
Speaker 2: asked him what he thought made a great caddy. He says,
Speaker 2: find a good player. You found a good player in
Speaker 2: Anna Nord. Chris. You worked with Anna for four years.
Speaker 2: You guys won the Women's British Open in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one at Carnoustie. Working for a great player, you learn
Speaker 2: a lot. Anna has been a great player her entire career,
Speaker 2: Major Spoheim Cup. When you finally had that four year
Speaker 2: run with an established one of the big superstars in
Speaker 2: the game, what did you learn from those four years
Speaker 2: that have helped you now in this hint that you've
Speaker 2: had with Lydia co with the amazing things that Lydia
Speaker 2: has done over the line. We'll get to that, but
Speaker 2: you get to work with Anna nor Quist. She's a
Speaker 2: great player. Would you learn from that experience?
Speaker 3: The probably the best players in the world work a
Speaker 3: lot harder than probably what I even gave them credit for.
Speaker 3: Like I used to think that I worked hard like
Speaker 3: that last year that I played golf in two and sixteen.
Speaker 3: I mean I was I was often up at five
Speaker 3: thirty and I wouldn't get home until five thirty at
Speaker 3: night when I was in Orlando. Then you turn up
Speaker 3: to a tournament and you're just absolutely done and you're
Speaker 3: no good. But like they they are very good at
Speaker 3: using their time wisely. They you know, they work incredibly hard.
Speaker 3: They have a belief in themselves. But I think the
Speaker 3: other thing that I found of it, like kind of
Speaker 3: like the obviously the negative side of it, is that
Speaker 3: they are also human, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: they have things going on in their lives that they
Speaker 3: have to deal with, but it's unreal that they can
Speaker 3: throw it to the side for five hours on a
Speaker 3: golf course and go out and shoot, you know, sixty
Speaker 3: eight sixty seven sixty five, whoever it is, and it's
Speaker 3: it's very, very impressive that they can do that. Because
Speaker 3: I had this conversation on the range three weeks ago
Speaker 3: in France with one of the guys that was helping
Speaker 3: with the New Zealand team, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: used to think that every professional golfer was a robot.
Speaker 3: I was like, and that's just not the case. And
Speaker 3: I think that's probably part of where I failed a
Speaker 3: little bit, was that I was trying to be something
Speaker 3: that I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think that it's easy to
Speaker 2: look at place. I always marvel it the way that
Speaker 2: you know, all the players that I've been lucky enough
Speaker 2: to work with, how they can compartmentalize the things that
Speaker 2: are going on around them. Yeah, you know that they can,
Speaker 2: Like you said, they can come to the golf course
Speaker 2: not in great mood, something's gone on off the golf course,
Speaker 2: but as soon as they kind of step inside the rope,
Speaker 2: everything kind of it hanges. Were you impressed with Anna's
Speaker 2: game were you surprised at I always think it's it's
Speaker 2: a combination of the two. Right. The best players in
Speaker 2: the world hit really really good shot, But yeah, they
Speaker 2: also their mediocre shop and the way they managed themselves, Yeah,
Speaker 2: is amazing from a course management standpoint. In the four
Speaker 2: years he worked within a would you learn about how
Speaker 2: she manages her game on the golf course?
Speaker 3: I mean out of like even probably out of anybody
Speaker 3: on the LPG, I would say she probably has the
Speaker 3: best course management because she just placed her strengths, Like
Speaker 3: she will never ever put us or try and ever
Speaker 3: put herself in a situation where she feels like she's
Speaker 3: under pressure to hit a shot that she's not comfortable hitting.
Speaker 3: So like, there was plenty of times where we could
Speaker 3: be standing there, you know, perfect number pins, maybe in
Speaker 3: a little bit of a kind of an if he's
Speaker 3: spot or whatever, and she's like, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: hit it to twenty feet and it's like perfect. And
Speaker 3: that's just the way that she would play golf. And
Speaker 3: if you look at look back on our career, I
Speaker 3: mean she's been incredibly consistent. I mean generally finish like
Speaker 3: she always finishes in the top sixty on the CMME list.
Speaker 3: She's generally pretty high up there. She normally has, like
Speaker 3: every good or great professional golfer, she has her five
Speaker 3: or six week run where she finishes inside the top fifteen,
Speaker 3: top ten, pretty much has it every year, but she
Speaker 3: just played to her strength. That was another thing that
Speaker 3: like I think I learned was that it was like
Speaker 3: you don't have to be an idiot on the golf course,
Speaker 3: which a lot of amateurs can probably take stuff from,
Speaker 3: because it's like they're trying to pull off shots that
Speaker 3: they're not really capable of, and they're putting themselves in
Speaker 3: positions that they're definitely not capable of, either getting up
Speaker 3: and down or no taking on shots off the tee,
Speaker 3: and it's like it's actually kind of boring. If you
Speaker 3: watch good professional golf, it's the most boring golf you'll
Speaker 3: ever watch. It is, literally because they're generally in the
Speaker 3: middle of the fairway or they're just off and again
Speaker 3: TV probably doesn't really do them justice because you see
Speaker 3: the highlights and all you see is them hitting it's
Speaker 3: five feet every day or every every hole, and it's
Speaker 3: like that's not the case. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: like last week at Saint Andrew's with Lydia, I mean
Speaker 3: there was a lot of like just twenty five thirty
Speaker 3: forty feet two pats par move on, like just limit
Speaker 3: the mistakes. That's essentially what the best players do, is
Speaker 3: they just eliminate mistakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I do think that everyone
Speaker 2: listening to the pod, we are so skewed by television.
Speaker 2: They're showing you on the weekends, even you know, in
Speaker 2: the men's and the women's game. On the weekends, you're
Speaker 2: going to see the best players who are playing the
Speaker 2: best golf. The only time you're going to really see
Speaker 2: anything else is if you're seeing a superstar that isn't
Speaker 2: in contention knock at the three feet or a superstar
Speaker 2: rinse one out of bounds or hit it in the
Speaker 2: water and do something stupid. But other than that, you're
Speaker 2: basically the television is focusing on the five to ten
Speaker 2: players that are going to have a chance to win.
Speaker 2: They're playing the best that week. Yeah, they are going
Speaker 2: to highlight their best shops. But I think that it's
Speaker 2: something that I've that with, something that I said to
Speaker 2: you when you were trying to play, is minimize the mistake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't think everyone that listens to this part understands.
Speaker 2: I say it all the time. I'm sure people get
Speaker 2: tired of hearing it. It's great that someone like you
Speaker 2: is saying as well, twenty feet is a good shot.
Speaker 2: The average golfer who's the fifteen handicapper thinks hitting twenty
Speaker 2: feet it's a bad shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, it's yeah, No, it's absolutely insane. I
Speaker 3: mean you see every week in pro ams and it's
Speaker 3: like they're hitting shots and they're like, oh, that's no good.
Speaker 3: It's like you've just hit five iron to thirty five feet, Like,
Speaker 3: what's wrong with that? It's on the green two potts, move.
Speaker 2: On and you can't hit five iron to thirty feet.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, exactly, You've actually done something really remarkable there,
Speaker 3: and you're taking as a negative like it's in sanni.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you just I mean we say
Speaker 2: it all the time, right, and the pro ams the
Speaker 2: majority I mean the majority of the people playing in
Speaker 2: pro ams. In professional golf, I'd say you're more surprised
Speaker 2: when they hit the green from the fairway than you
Speaker 2: are if they miss the green. If you get like
Speaker 2: a group of you know, if you're lucky, if you
Speaker 2: get three golfers and they all hit the first fairway
Speaker 2: in the first green, you're looking at you and Lydia
Speaker 2: are looking at this. The other going, this could be
Speaker 2: fun today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a nice easy day. Yeah, exactly, because that's
Speaker 3: that generally doesn't happen. I mean the amount of non
Speaker 3: golfer she get in a pro am as well. I'm
Speaker 3: sure it's the same when the PGA Tour live or whatever.
Speaker 3: And it's just mental. It's like, would you ever go
Speaker 3: and throw a ball around on an NFL field, like
Speaker 3: in a warm up? Like you've got no chance after.
Speaker 2: Four years after a major, you made the decision to
Speaker 2: go to the men's route, tread your hand at the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour, But then you get the call from Lydia Coe,
Speaker 2: a major champion. I mean, her career is it's a
Speaker 2: great story. I don't think people realize she's talking that
Speaker 2: she's what twenty seven now, she's saying that she's probably
Speaker 2: not gonna play past thirty. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people think that's crazy. She won her first professional tournament
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, she's fourteen years old. She is one
Speaker 2: of those players that has won. She's grown up in
Speaker 2: front of all of us. But two, she's the player
Speaker 2: golf were so long, and he's in her late twenties,
Speaker 2: and you've got to think that she's just like, man,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this a long long time. Her career
Speaker 2: has the arc of her career. I think it's been
Speaker 2: so impressed. But when just like you and I are
Speaker 2: hired guns right, we get hired by professional golfers, professional athletes.
Speaker 2: So when you get the call from someone like Lydia Coe,
Speaker 2: you're trying your hand on the PGA Tour. We all
Speaker 2: know that if you want to make a ton of
Speaker 2: money as a caddy, the PGA Tour is the place
Speaker 2: to do it. You can do it on live now
Speaker 2: as well, but you really want to make legit money
Speaker 2: as a caddy, you caddy on the PGA Tour. You
Speaker 2: were trying to do that, trying to get into the
Speaker 2: men's game. But then somebody like Lydia Co calls you.
Speaker 2: I read where you said you'd have been stupid if
Speaker 2: you'd have called me that Lydia Coe called you, and
Speaker 2: you turn that down. I mean, I don't think I
Speaker 2: ought to talk to you again. I mean you had
Speaker 2: to make But what's it like? How did that decision
Speaker 2: come about? How did you get the call? Did she
Speaker 2: call you? Did the manager call you? What happened? Because
Speaker 2: I always think that's a cool story. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, she She called me on the Monday after the
Speaker 3: Women's Writish Open last year. So I was sitting at
Speaker 3: my home in Saint Pete and at that point I
Speaker 3: was working for Kevin Chapel, and she was like, I
Speaker 3: need a caddy. Would you be interested in caddy in?
Speaker 2: Do you know her?
Speaker 3: I knew her a little bit. We've been paired with
Speaker 3: her a few times when I were I mean and
Speaker 3: Lydia is lovely. I mean everybody asks that, like you know,
Speaker 3: she as nice as she seems, and I was like
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, like she will literally sign every autograph,
Speaker 3: She'll speak to every kid, you know, so on and
Speaker 3: so forth. But yeah, she called. I actually missed her
Speaker 3: call for a start, and I text her and I
Speaker 3: was like, can I call you in an hour? And
Speaker 3: she was playing golf in San France. So this is
Speaker 3: the Monday after she's missed the cut at the Women's
Speaker 3: Writis Open. She's already back home, she's playing golf and
Speaker 3: she's like, i'll call you when I get done. So
Speaker 3: she called me and she was like, look, she's like,
Speaker 3: I'm looking for a caddy. I got a list of
Speaker 3: names from our agent and she's like you were on
Speaker 3: my list. She's like, and you're my first call. She's like,
Speaker 3: would you be interested in caddying for me? And I
Speaker 3: was like one hundred percent, Like as I said, you would.
Speaker 3: You would have to be an idiot to say no.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that she was struggling at that point,
Speaker 3: but it's like, and if you look at our career,
Speaker 3: like there's been a lot of lows, but like the
Speaker 3: highs are super high. And I knew that she wasn't
Speaker 3: a million miles away from you know, a couple of wins.
Speaker 3: She would get in the Hall of Fame. I knew
Speaker 3: that obviously with it being an Olympic year, you know,
Speaker 3: if I do a decent job and we get to there,
Speaker 3: like I got the chance of obviously potentially winning a medal,
Speaker 3: and I knew that obviously gold would complete the set
Speaker 3: for her and all that kind of stuff. And I
Speaker 3: was just like, yeah, I was like this, you know,
Speaker 3: I was on the PGA tour with Chapel, but like
Speaker 3: I was kind of like you know what, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is going to be better for me long term
Speaker 3: than doing what I was doing, Like I could better
Speaker 3: myself doing that. It's a selfish reason. But like players
Speaker 3: and caddies move for selfish reasons all the time, and
Speaker 3: I was like selfishly, I was like, I think that
Speaker 3: this is going to fit me a little bit better,
Speaker 3: and I said yes, I was like cool. So then
Speaker 3: I think we had a week that was a week off,
Speaker 3: and I think the following week was Canada, and that's
Speaker 3: where we started.
Speaker 2: When you started with a big eight years since she
Speaker 2: won her last major, and like you said, the arc
Speaker 2: of her career has been, you know, massive highs, but
Speaker 2: also some lows. And when when you guys got together,
Speaker 2: she wasn't necessarily in the form, certainly nowhere near the
Speaker 2: form that she is now when you go to work
Speaker 2: or a player of her caliber, obviously she's a great player.
Speaker 2: The resume says she's a great player. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: taking her on and all she's got to do is
Speaker 2: win a couple of craws. I mean, the criteria to
Speaker 2: get into the LPGA Hall of Fame could be tougher
Speaker 2: than to get into Ike or Harvard. I still don't
Speaker 2: understand how they just can't make it much easier, and
Speaker 2: look at someone like Lydia Cohen, go you're in the
Speaker 2: Hall of fame of the eyepat When you go to
Speaker 2: work for her, what's that first week like is a
Speaker 2: caddie working with a new player, because obviously your job
Speaker 2: is your job. You know how to caddy, you know
Speaker 2: what the ardages, you know numbers are. But I say
Speaker 2: this all the time and people laugh. My wife always,
Speaker 2: you know, says I can't say, but professional golfers are
Speaker 2: like dogs. They communicate with you non verbally correct and
Speaker 2: they don't say a lot either. You're constantly trying to
Speaker 2: figure out by the walk up, by when they show up,
Speaker 2: and normally within about i've even less than that, you
Speaker 2: can tell if they're in a good mood or a
Speaker 2: bad man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that getting to know a player early on, but
Speaker 2: also getting to know a player of her caliber that
Speaker 2: obviously she's done great things, She's won majors, she's won
Speaker 2: a bunch of tournaments. Is that scary? Is it? What's
Speaker 2: that like for you? Iusly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was probably scared a little bit. I don't
Speaker 3: like I would use the word intimidated, but I was
Speaker 3: definitely scared because I was like, you know, Chapel hunn't
Speaker 3: been playing the backs like, and that's all respect to him,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a great player, but he was obviously struggling.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like I didn't question if I
Speaker 3: was any good at what I did, but it was
Speaker 3: just kind of like I needed to get back into
Speaker 3: kind of like a little bit of mojo, a little
Speaker 3: bit flow. And then when I got out there, like
Speaker 3: I had met Lydia obviously plenty of times before, i'd
Speaker 3: never met her sister and or you know, her sister
Speaker 3: was very much kind of like, you know, we're struggling
Speaker 3: right now, but everything's gonna be fine. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know it is. I was like, she's really really
Speaker 3: good and she's only twenty six. I'm like, it's not
Speaker 3: like and I told the Scottish media this on Sunday
Speaker 3: last week. I was like, it's not like she's thirty
Speaker 3: seven or forty, like, which in the women's game is
Speaker 3: obviously very not very old, but it's generally on the
Speaker 3: older end, whereas in the guys, I mean, they're almost
Speaker 3: just peaking at that time. I was like, she's got
Speaker 3: plenty of years left, and I think I just brought
Speaker 3: kind of a little bit of positivity. I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's fine, like bad golf happens. Everybody goes
Speaker 3: through that stretch. So that first week, and as he said,
Speaker 3: it was a lot of like, Okay, well what do
Speaker 3: I need to do to help her? And she's like
Speaker 3: any good at setting stuff up on the and green.
Speaker 3: So I'm out there, you know, twenty minutes before she
Speaker 3: comes out on the pot and green, setting up drills
Speaker 3: and putting the cones out in the range. You know,
Speaker 3: you've got like a new routine. Like everybody's got the routine.
Speaker 3: But it's like it's different for every player. You know,
Speaker 3: some start on the range, some starting to pot and green,
Speaker 3: and yet no, it was actually it was actually really easy.
Speaker 3: Like after that first day, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: it's like, this is like I could I can deal
Speaker 3: with this. This isn't that difficult. I'm probably building up
Speaker 3: in my own head to be something that's not. And
Speaker 3: it was fine. I mean, by your own mission. She
Speaker 3: didn't play very good that week. I think we shot
Speaker 3: eighty one on the third day and she really didn't
Speaker 3: do a whole lot wrong. She just didn't drive it
Speaker 3: very good. That we were at Shaughnessy in Vancouver. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever been there, isn't it. It's
Speaker 3: single file down the fairways. I mean, like you don't
Speaker 3: even need to hit a bad t shot and you're
Speaker 3: basically just chipping out sideways. So and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that's going to be you know, like you're driving. Missus
Speaker 3: A probably been heightened a little bit. The roff was long,
Speaker 3: you know, Lydia is not the longest on tour. So
Speaker 3: it's like when you're standing there in the rough and
Speaker 3: it's thick and you do have a shot and you've
Speaker 3: got seven iron in in the green, are almost us
Speaker 3: open like, and somebody's standing there with a wedge, it's
Speaker 3: like it's going to be way easier for them than
Speaker 3: it is her. So it's like it's fine, Like bad
Speaker 3: golf happens. You don't shoot eighty one very often, and
Speaker 3: you might not ever shoot eighty one in a tournament again,
Speaker 3: but you did it today, So like let's just move
Speaker 3: on like it's it's just golf. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think sometimes that refresh of just you
Speaker 2: know what happens with coaches as well. I mean, players
Speaker 2: move on and they say, listen, I just want to
Speaker 2: try something different. I want to try something new. That's
Speaker 2: always the worst thing to hear, right, you know, in
Speaker 2: our business, you know, it's always that it's not you
Speaker 2: with me than right, Yeah, you know, you just want
Speaker 2: to try something new. So I think the last time
Speaker 2: I saw you was that the Loo's at the end
Speaker 2: of last year.
Speaker 3: This year in Orlando, sort of this year, that's right.
Speaker 2: The sort of this year in Orlando, which you guys
Speaker 2: won that tournament. When Lydia plays for best, what do
Speaker 2: you feel makes for such a great player?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that weekend Orlando. I mean, obviously she's
Speaker 3: familiar with the golf course. She's a member there. She
Speaker 3: lives right off the second hole. I mean, so it's
Speaker 3: like it's like when I go back, like I don't
Speaker 3: I don't play a whole lot of golf anymore. But
Speaker 3: if I go back and play a track, I know,
Speaker 3: it's like you almost free wheel it a little bit.
Speaker 3: And it's like she should very calm. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: probably the same with the players that you work with.
Speaker 3: It's like they're very calm. Everything kind of comes to
Speaker 3: them kind of very slowly, and like nothing ever gets
Speaker 3: in their way. But when Lydia hits it in the
Speaker 3: fair way more often than not, and I know that
Speaker 3: sounds very cliche, and every player is exactly the same,
Speaker 3: but more so with her, it's like I feel like
Speaker 3: she thinks she's like, Okay, well I can attack this week,
Speaker 3: like I can be aggressive when I need to be,
Speaker 3: you know, in her in the positions that she wants
Speaker 3: to and it's like, you know, like last week, I
Speaker 3: think on fourteen, shit driver off the deck, and I
Speaker 3: saw in the commentary or wherever they're like, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: And it's like she does that every week, Like she
Speaker 3: will literally hit drive her off the deck almost every week.
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's a hard shot. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think when she's when she's nice and calm, she's got
Speaker 3: her mind quiet and she's peaceful, and that just allows
Speaker 3: her to I think, because that's the thing. Even through
Speaker 3: the course of seventy two holes, you're not going to
Speaker 3: every shot exactly the way you want it, but the
Speaker 3: quicker you can brush it off, then you get back
Speaker 3: to the way that you were playing.
Speaker 2: So man, so it's so funny listening to you talk
Speaker 2: like this because this is one hundred and eighty degrees
Speaker 2: from the way you thought when you tried to play
Speaker 2: profession Yeah, I mean, you were, you were nervous, you
Speaker 2: were always doubting, you were never trusting of what you
Speaker 2: were doing your own game and all of that, and
Speaker 2: you're you're talking about, not surprisingly, one of the best
Speaker 2: players in the women's game, and the mental strength she's
Speaker 2: got is a positive. What's she like as a player
Speaker 2: to cadge? What does she want? What does she not want?
Speaker 2: Does she want a lot of information? Does she want
Speaker 2: to make the decision? Is it a collaboration between the
Speaker 2: two of you.
Speaker 3: It's probably a little bit of both in terms of decision.
Speaker 3: Like seventeen last week on the Saturday, for example, when
Speaker 3: the pin is behind that road hole, Bunker and I
Speaker 3: had been telling her and both are three time or
Speaker 3: the twice that we played that hole in the pro am.
Speaker 3: Then in the practice round, I was like, if the
Speaker 3: pin's on the left, we're hitting it left. You know
Speaker 3: that you've been there, like yeah, I mean that hole
Speaker 3: was a long hole for them. I mean, if you've
Speaker 3: got a nine iron our wedge, Aron, maybe go out.
Speaker 3: But we were always miles back. I mean I think
Speaker 3: the shortest we had in there to the front was
Speaker 3: probably like one hundred and sixty yards maybe. I mean
Speaker 3: that pins thirty on, so I think on the Saturday
Speaker 3: we had two hundred wind was straight across right to
Speaker 3: left and she's like, can I just hit it on
Speaker 3: the front right part of the green And I'm like no.
Speaker 3: I'm like, because if it ends up being short, you
Speaker 3: can't get that close. Like the closest you're gonna get
Speaker 3: it's probably fifteen or twenty feet. You're making exactly you're
Speaker 3: going to make a bogie. I was like, so we
Speaker 3: have to hit it left and she's like, I thought
Speaker 3: you were going to say that. So like I'm then
Speaker 3: giving her a line. We've got like a tent or
Speaker 3: whatever that I'm trying to get her to hit it on.
Speaker 3: She's like, well, can I not just hit it on
Speaker 3: the seventeen on the TV tower and it was like
Speaker 3: left half of the road hole bunker and I'm like no,
Speaker 3: And she's like why And I'm like, because we don't
Speaker 3: want to be long. I was like, and we don't
Speaker 3: want to be in there. I was like, and I
Speaker 3: was basically begging her. I was like, can you please
Speaker 3: just hit it a little further left? I mean, again,
Speaker 3: you're just essentially trying to get her a play her
Speaker 3: strengths I mean, and that's the thing as a caddyo.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not there to tell her how to
Speaker 3: play golf or any of the players that I've ever
Speaker 3: worked how to play golf. But it's like you're just
Speaker 3: trying to not get them to screw up. Essentially, it's like,
Speaker 3: just don't do something done, Like let's be smart here.
Speaker 3: So I'm saying it's it's pretty much a collective thing.
Speaker 3: But like again very cliche. Every caddy'll tell you this.
Speaker 3: If they're playing good, just stay out of the way,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like dermot Burn always
Speaker 3: told me. He was like, always listen rather than talk.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's He's like, they're the best players
Speaker 3: in the world. He's like, they're going to tell you
Speaker 3: what they do and don't want to do. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's probably it. So it was said that whenever he
Speaker 3: had a good day, you'd come back to the Airbnb
Speaker 3: and he'd tell me he was like, I did a
Speaker 3: lot of listening today.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Olympics. What a week Lydia had
Speaker 2: won a silver, she'd won a bronze. She now has
Speaker 2: a gold medal, What was the week like for you guys?
Speaker 2: The Sunday, you guys were cruising five shot lead at
Speaker 2: one point, and then you guys make double on thirteen.
Speaker 2: That's a funky golf course. She hooped one early from
Speaker 2: like what like forty feet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 2: Like eight or nine right around the turn. Yeah, seven,
Speaker 2: And you know, she had a five shot lead on Sunday,
Speaker 2: but then all of a sudden that lead goes away.
Speaker 2: That finished at Golf National ain't easy either, you know, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
Speaker 2: those little holes I think at that golf course, Paul,
Speaker 2: where you have to stand up and you can't fake it.
Speaker 2: You just have to hit a quality golf shot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to hit the fairway off the tee, You've
Speaker 2: got to stand up and hit the green, hit the
Speaker 2: right shot into there. And then eighteen as well, I
Speaker 2: think eighteen you just have to stand up and hit
Speaker 2: really really good shot. What was the week like for
Speaker 2: you guys? And what was that Sunday like?
Speaker 3: The week as I sent you earlier, I mean the
Speaker 3: week she was she was very calm. I mean I
Speaker 3: know that it was a big deal for her. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not a massive proponent for golf in the Olympics.
Speaker 3: I've probably changed my mind a little bit now, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it was. It was calm, like I did the Olympics
Speaker 3: before with Anna in Tokyo. That was obviously during COVID,
Speaker 3: so there was no fans. So I remember the first
Speaker 3: day we had Selene Boutier playing in front of us,
Speaker 3: obviously French, I mean, and there must have been ten, twelve,
Speaker 3: maybe even fifteen thousand people following her. And you've been there, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: golf course, I mean, it's it's unbelievable, like it's a
Speaker 3: great setting for respect there.
Speaker 2: The golf course is down in the bottom of all
Speaker 2: the hills. And then yeah, it feels like up above
Speaker 2: you is where like a lot of the fans are.
Speaker 2: You kind of feel like the fans were on top
Speaker 2: of you when you're in the middle of those parawis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an amphitheater. I mean, and the sound
Speaker 3: was traveling. I mean she I think Selene shot sixty
Speaker 3: five that first day and me and Lydia kept on
Speaker 3: saying all around it's like she must have just been
Speaker 3: loving this. But like the adrenaline that she had must
Speaker 3: have been insane. But yeah, no, I mean that first
Speaker 3: day was really tough as well. I think we shot
Speaker 3: even maybe the first day maybe one under I can't remember. Then,
Speaker 3: Like as just as the week went on, it was
Speaker 3: kind of the same as last week. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just again it sounds stupid and it's it's repetitive, but
Speaker 3: it's like you just minimize the mistakes. It's like, if
Speaker 3: you're playing good, you know you're gonna get your birdies.
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna get your looks. The wind was
Speaker 3: kind of helpful for us on a pretty much all
Speaker 3: of the longer holes, like the par fives, and it
Speaker 3: was just like, okay, well, if we do what we're
Speaker 3: meant to do, then you're gonna have you know, X
Speaker 3: amount of looks every day, good chances for birdie. And
Speaker 3: it's just like, you know, you've got the as you said,
Speaker 3: like thirteen is not a particularly easy hole. You got
Speaker 3: hit the fairway there or you're I mean, I would
Speaker 3: think that the girls that the majority of girls that
Speaker 3: missed the fairway on thirteen, which is not particularly hard
Speaker 3: to do, you've probably been laying up fifteen. You don't
Speaker 3: hit it on that fairway. I mean, you can obviously
Speaker 3: get it over the back of the green. But like,
Speaker 3: as you said, it's like you you can't fake it.
Speaker 3: You've got you've got to back yourself and you've got
Speaker 3: to you've got to just stand there and execute.
Speaker 2: Really eighteenth pole. I mean, obviously she knows what she's
Speaker 2: about to do, but we all have to get through
Speaker 2: that stretch. You got to hit the fair way. She
Speaker 2: laid up the mindset and her demeanor on that eighteenth
Speaker 2: hole different than the rest of the week or was
Speaker 2: it just normal.
Speaker 3: No, just exactly the same. I mean, we got onto
Speaker 3: that tea and the wind was kind of it was
Speaker 3: kind of switching around a little bit, and if it'd
Speaker 3: be not off the left, I would probably have liked Driver.
Speaker 3: And I think she did the same or whatever. And
Speaker 3: she was like, is it Driver or three Wood? And
Speaker 3: I was like, well right now. And I looked over
Speaker 3: and there was flags up that were to the right
Speaker 3: of seventeen, to the left of where we were looking,
Speaker 3: and they were kind of going straight across, and I
Speaker 3: just felt the wind to go down. She's like, can
Speaker 3: I hit three Wood? And I was like absolutely. I
Speaker 3: was like, because I knew that three Wood would take
Speaker 3: out that kind of in between shot where it was
Speaker 3: like do we go for the green or do we
Speaker 3: have to lay it up? And it was like, she
Speaker 3: can hit this as good or as bad as she wants.
Speaker 3: It's going to be fine, and we're probably gonna have
Speaker 3: a seven or eight are and down there to lay up. Then.
Speaker 3: I mean that pin actually was fairly easy for the layup.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a particularly easy pin if you were to
Speaker 3: go for the green because it was kind of right
Speaker 3: on that mound where all slopes away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is that kind of ridge there where everything.
Speaker 3: Like in the practice round when it was straight down wind.
Speaker 3: I mean we had a seven iron that ran out
Speaker 3: thirty yards on that green basically into the hazard and
Speaker 3: they'd softened up as the week had gone on. But
Speaker 3: once we had got it in the fairway, I was
Speaker 3: like all right. I was like, well, probably the hardest
Speaker 3: shot now for her is just to lay up, which
Speaker 3: was perfect. It was like one hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 3: eight iron down there. Then we left a really good number.
Speaker 3: I think it was like seventy four maybe just a
Speaker 3: just a chippy little sand wedge in there.
Speaker 2: Oh, she had a beautiful sandwige in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it was it was really good. It was
Speaker 3: really and that's it. Like again, it talks to just
Speaker 3: play your strengths. I mean, she was playing into department
Speaker 3: of the game that she's like, Okay, well I know
Speaker 3: that I'm extremely good from here, or she should know.
Speaker 3: If she doesn't, then I'm going to tell her then.
Speaker 3: And it's just like all right, you know. But then
Speaker 3: obviously you're not thinking that way at the time, but
Speaker 3: because obviously it's it's golf and there's a human element
Speaker 3: to it, and it's like, okay, well something could still
Speaker 3: go wrong. But yeah, she was fine. We got the number,
Speaker 3: the wind was perfect for it. I mean, she had
Speaker 3: a really really good shot in there.
Speaker 2: Are you able in that moment? Yeah? She hits a
Speaker 2: beautiful wedge shot. What was the number you said you.
Speaker 3: Guys had I think it was seventy four yards somewhere
Speaker 3: in there, so seventy four yards.
Speaker 2: He hit it to like four feet.
Speaker 3: Great feet, yeah, six I think it was about six
Speaker 3: feet six feet.
Speaker 2: I mean, are you able in that moment where you're
Speaker 2: walking up to just in your head just go man,
Speaker 2: what what a great shot? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. I mean I don't
Speaker 3: I don't show a whole lot of emotion when I'm
Speaker 3: on a golf course. I know that some caddies will
Speaker 3: be fist pumping and kind of and there's actually quite
Speaker 3: a lot of the caddies will get a little disgruntled
Speaker 3: or whatever. But like, I was just kind of like,
Speaker 3: all right, I was like, well, we've still got a
Speaker 3: two pot from there, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: you're you're thinking, I'm thinking, like probably in a little bit,
Speaker 3: not in the negative, but it's like, all right, well
Speaker 3: we've now got two putts to win. But yeah, when
Speaker 3: she rolled it in, I mean it was probably fitting
Speaker 3: that she rolled it in as well, rather than just
Speaker 3: dollied it up to a foot or whatever then tapped
Speaker 3: it in.
Speaker 2: Did she say anything afterwards? Because she looked I mean
Speaker 2: I watched it. She looked very emotional. It looked like
Speaker 2: you understood what it meant. Did she say anything?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think she could speak. I mean she
Speaker 3: had tears streaming down her face. I think I had
Speaker 3: I had a little sweary word with you legend in there,
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, she never she never said much. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was just it was just mental. I mean then
Speaker 3: even afterwards, I mean the whole because obviously it's not
Speaker 3: the normal golf tournament where they go in and sign
Speaker 3: their scorecard, they come out and they get the trophy.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got kind of maybe that fifteen twenty
Speaker 3: minute period where they go and they get their you know,
Speaker 3: their track suits on and they come out and it's
Speaker 3: neat that you know this the first time. Well no,
Speaker 3: I saw the ceremony in Tokyo, but obviously to have
Speaker 3: a player up there that I've just helped, it's it's
Speaker 3: a pretty neat feeling.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, it's got to be a different celebration, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the win an Olympic gold medal than it is to
Speaker 2: win a tournament.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well so that happened. Then the dude,
Speaker 3: Greg Thorpe that was with us, he's the high performance
Speaker 3: manager from New Zealand for Golf, and he was like,
Speaker 3: right now, we need to go to the New Zealand house.
Speaker 3: So we end up getting in this van after she's
Speaker 3: done her media or whatever, and we're in this van
Speaker 3: and there was I think he was a Kiwi journalist maybe,
Speaker 3: and he had his laptop and we're standing there or
Speaker 3: we're sitting in this van driving forty minutes into Paris
Speaker 3: and he's got the high jump on because one of
Speaker 3: the key we guys was in the final of the
Speaker 3: high jump. So we're sitting there watching that we just
Speaker 3: won a golf tournament and everybody's worried about this guy
Speaker 3: winning a gold medal. I'm like, this is kind of
Speaker 3: a little bit weird. I was like, but it's kind
Speaker 3: of cool, Like I can get used to this.
Speaker 2: So then you guys go to the New Zealand house
Speaker 2: and there's all the New Zealand athletes there.
Speaker 3: There was I think it was a lot of sponsors
Speaker 3: that help obviously pay for the Olympic stuff. There was
Speaker 3: I believe there was two or three of the athletes there.
Speaker 3: You know, they they sing a song when Lydia goes in,
Speaker 3: they do the hack out right in front of us,
Speaker 3: which is really cool. And then yeah, like everybody's taking
Speaker 3: pictures with the medal like it was really neat. It
Speaker 3: was kind of like, all right, I was like, this
Speaker 3: is what's sports is about. It's not about you know,
Speaker 3: it's not about the check it's not about anything like that.
Speaker 3: Like this is the probably the purest form of golf
Speaker 3: you get other than the Solheim Cupp or the Ryder
Speaker 3: Cup or whatever it was neat Then I sat there
Speaker 3: at ten past eleven, eating a curry and drinking a corona.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is this is a little bit odd.
Speaker 3: I don't normally be well gone by night.
Speaker 2: Did you try on the metal?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I wore it. The thing's heavy, really heavy.
Speaker 2: Everybody says they're really really heavy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I was like, I remember when she was
Speaker 3: walking from press up to she had to go and
Speaker 3: do someone else. I think Molly, the commissioner of the
Speaker 3: LPGA tour. She wanted to present her with something for
Speaker 3: getting into the Hall of Fame. And she's walking up
Speaker 3: and I was like, can I just have a quick
Speaker 3: look at it before you go in there? She's like
Speaker 3: here where? So she put it on my neck and
Speaker 3: I was like, holy crap, this thing is super.
Speaker 2: Heavy, amazing. Onto the Women's British Open, Uh Saint Andrew's.
Speaker 2: I mean, Marina Alex was messaging me all week about
Speaker 2: she was just saying it's just so cool. I mean
Speaker 2: there are there are majors, there are open championship, and
Speaker 2: then there are open championships. At St. Andrew's. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just personally. I know it might sound controversial. I
Speaker 2: wish they'd play it at St Andrews every year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wish they would just leave, certainly for the men.
Speaker 2: I just wish they'd leave the Open Championship at St. Andrews,
Speaker 2: the home of golf. Leave it there. Such a great
Speaker 2: golf course. You know, you make that turn and you
Speaker 2: come back into the city. It's it's a magical place. Obviously,
Speaker 2: she went into that week playing well. What was the
Speaker 2: week like? As the week progressed, did you guys have
Speaker 2: a feeling that she was on the cusp of doing something,
Speaker 2: you know, really unique and really really special.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I kind of thought even before we went there,
Speaker 3: I was like it might take a little bit of
Speaker 3: pressure off kind of off the tee as like, as
Speaker 3: you know, you've been there plenty of times, I'm sure
Speaker 3: like the fairways are pretty wide, but there are a
Speaker 3: lot of bunkers that you kind of need to avoid
Speaker 3: that kind of are on the left of every hole,
Speaker 3: and it's it's almost one of those golf courses where
Speaker 3: if you kind of play the hole as it's meant
Speaker 3: to be played, it can be very very easy. But
Speaker 3: that's also you're flirting with a trouble. But then if
Speaker 3: you start hitting it left, like the angles into the
Speaker 3: greens aren't very good. And the way that the wind
Speaker 3: was like, it was like the front line was pretty
Speaker 3: much hard off the left, whether it was slightly in
Speaker 3: or slightly dying every day. But the it was almost like, right, okay,
Speaker 3: we need to try and get it in the middle
Speaker 3: of our fairway, Like if we can get it as
Speaker 3: close to the middle of our fairway every day, because
Speaker 3: I mean some of those fairways are fifty sixty seventy.
Speaker 2: Miles and what people, if you've never played Saint Andrews,
Speaker 2: you can miss it off the tee going out on
Speaker 2: the front nine and coming back on the back of
Speaker 2: you can miss it as far left as you want. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's got one hundred yards left of the fairway, and
Speaker 2: you're still going to be unless you go into a
Speaker 2: bunker or you get unlucky to go into some you know,
Speaker 2: gores for or heather, you're probably going to have a
Speaker 2: lie from the fairway. The problem is the angle you're
Speaker 2: coming in from is just going to be.
Speaker 3: Horrendous, exactly. And that's the thing, Like I remember Lydia
Speaker 3: had played there in thirteen and I can't remember what
Speaker 3: hole we were playing, and she kind of looked back
Speaker 3: and like, say, we're playing like fifteen or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, and there's bunkers that you can't even see
Speaker 3: off the tee. We can see them because we have
Speaker 3: a yardage book and obviously I've walked to golf course
Speaker 3: et cetera or whatever. But it's like when you look
Speaker 3: back and it's like that bunker shouldn't even be on
Speaker 3: this hole, but it's like in the middle of whatever
Speaker 3: fairway you're playing, because it's actually a bunker that's actually
Speaker 3: meant to have gone or it looks like it was
Speaker 3: going the other way. So yeah, I mean, we just
Speaker 3: we had a really good game plan. Again, it was
Speaker 3: kind of similar to Paris. It was like as the
Speaker 3: week went on, it was like when we were just
Speaker 3: hanging around, hanging around. Then obviously again in that final
Speaker 3: day and I remember somebody or saying to me on
Speaker 3: the Saturday night, They're like, uh, you're probably hoping that
Speaker 3: it's not windy tomorrow, and I'm like, I hope it's
Speaker 3: really windy tomorrow. It's like, because we played really good
Speaker 3: for three days in fairness for the first two days
Speaker 3: we got the best of the draw. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: another thing when it comes to the Open is that.
Speaker 2: You always have to get the right side of the draw.
Speaker 3: I have to get the luck in the draw. Like
Speaker 3: we played on Thursday, I think we only we maybe
Speaker 3: had like four or five with very little wind compared
Speaker 3: to what they've been in the morning. Then on the
Speaker 3: Friday morning, I mean we literally played the hole the
Speaker 3: back nine with very little wind. Then you make the
Speaker 3: turn and it starts howling when you're on one. But
Speaker 3: then on Saturday we played it in the wind all
Speaker 3: day and I was like, I hope it's really windy,
Speaker 3: because then you know, and as you know, it's like
Speaker 3: you don't really need to miss a hole a shot
Speaker 3: very badly when it's that windy, and it just gets exaggerated.
Speaker 3: But she had basically been hitting her lines off the
Speaker 3: tees and I was like, if we can just keep
Speaker 3: doing that, you know, we're we're going to be fine.
Speaker 3: Then I mean you get round to I mean with
Speaker 3: the wind that strong, you get round to like seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
Speaker 3: then twelve, and it feels like you're in a wind tunnel.
Speaker 3: It's like little micro climate it's like it's howling, And
Speaker 3: it was like it was almost the same thing every day.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, like let's get through the first six holes,
Speaker 3: kind of hang on to your hat a little bit.
Speaker 3: Once you get to seventy, get round to thirteen. Then,
Speaker 3: because she plays a little cap I was like, I
Speaker 3: was never really that fearpole on the back nine because
Speaker 3: it was like we had good targets. She was hitting
Speaker 3: good shots off of tea and I'm like, if we
Speaker 3: can just keep hitting it in the fairway, like she's
Speaker 3: capable of hitting it close and making a couple of birdies,
Speaker 3: and that was it. Then it wasn't really as she said,
Speaker 3: it was probably the same for me. I didn't realize
Speaker 3: that we were tied for the lead until she had
Speaker 3: that three foot or on sixteen on Sunday, So I
Speaker 3: was just.
Speaker 2: Gonna ask, is she a scoreboard watcher? Are you a
Speaker 2: scoreboard watcher?
Speaker 3: I look, she looks. We never really ever talk about
Speaker 3: it because at the end of the day, it doesn't
Speaker 3: really matter where you are, like you still have to
Speaker 3: stand there and execute the shot. I know that some
Speaker 3: caddies and players, I mean I know that Anna in
Speaker 3: the past has said to me, you know, where do
Speaker 3: we stand?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: That was kind of actually one thing when we were
Speaker 3: in COVID in Arkansas when I was Caddy and Farannah
Speaker 3: there was no scoreboards, but we were a look at
Speaker 3: her phone to look at the scores, and I actually,
Speaker 3: I'll take the blame for that one. I actually never
Speaker 3: told her where she stood with about four holes to go,
Speaker 3: and she said she told me afterwards. She's like, it
Speaker 3: wouldn't have made a difference. She's like, but it would
Speaker 3: obviously be nice to know. So I think all of
Speaker 3: them look, but like I never ever bring it up, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll maybe if we were one or two back with
Speaker 3: three holes to be to go, or I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 3: look we kind of maybe need to take a little
Speaker 3: bit more of a risk here there. But when you're
Speaker 3: when you're in that position of tied for the lead
Speaker 3: or that close to the lead with especially with seventeen,
Speaker 3: it's just like you've just got to stand there and
Speaker 3: now show you don't really need to be thinking about Okay,
Speaker 3: well you know, I don't need to have a bad
Speaker 3: one here because we're tied for the lead.
Speaker 2: Everybody has seen the seventy te shot at St. Andrews,
Speaker 2: where you've got to go basically over the corner of
Speaker 2: the hotel. They've seen it on TV, but if you've
Speaker 2: never stood up and had to hit that shot, but
Speaker 2: in competition, yeah, getting the line and where the wind
Speaker 2: is and how much the wind is going to affect it,
Speaker 2: that to me has got to be a caddy nightmare
Speaker 2: when you're sitting back there because you're basically staring at
Speaker 2: this big giant building that, depending on where the wind is,
Speaker 2: the line can sometimes be. You're basically hitting it over
Speaker 2: the building and you're like, no, no, that's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be fine. That's gonna be fine. And you
Speaker 2: get down there and it just never looks like it's
Speaker 2: going to be in the fair one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no it is. And especially and it was like,
Speaker 3: I've played Saint Andrews maybe ten or eleven times before,
Speaker 3: and I knew what my line would have been from
Speaker 3: obviously the further back to you or whatever. But when
Speaker 3: you're standing off to the side and it's like this
Speaker 3: ball takes off and you're like, is that going exactly
Speaker 3: where she's looking like, because obviously the angle skewed, and
Speaker 3: it's like but she hit it. She hit it pretty
Speaker 3: much exactly where she was looking on that T show.
Speaker 3: Every time. I think the furthest left we would have
Speaker 3: been would have been like left half of the fairway.
Speaker 2: You guys never missed the fairway.
Speaker 3: No, we were in the fairway on that hole every
Speaker 3: day they.
Speaker 2: Hit the seventeenth fairway in a major championship at Saint
Speaker 2: Andrews is for four days because there's so much chance there. Right,
Speaker 2: you could hit an absolute perfect one and it hits
Speaker 2: the mound and goes hits it sideways and you are you've.
Speaker 3: Got no shot exactly and it sounds stupid, but like
Speaker 3: there is a lot more room there right, but like
Speaker 3: left is actually death. Everybody thinks that left is okay.
Speaker 3: But left's fine if you want to hit it short
Speaker 3: at the green, but you have you've literally gotten like
Speaker 3: there's not really a hole or there's not really a
Speaker 3: good chance of making par from that left rough it's
Speaker 3: not very thick, but like you have zero angle, Like
Speaker 3: the only thing that's staring at you is short at
Speaker 3: the green or the road.
Speaker 2: And on Sunday they're going to tuck the pin if
Speaker 2: you miss it left, they're going to tuck the pin
Speaker 2: over the road hole bunker. So now you know, if
Speaker 2: you go you hit it in there, you're making X.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, you're probably like you might have a putt
Speaker 3: for four, you're probably making five. And if you're not
Speaker 3: making five, you're probably making a six or seven.
Speaker 2: But I think that's a great that hole and that
Speaker 2: hole on Sunday, isn't It is an example of if
Speaker 2: you want to win the golf tournament. There are times
Speaker 2: in major champions but I think every player goes through this.
Speaker 2: You've seen it on TV, but that is okay, if
Speaker 2: we want to win the golf tournament, we have to
Speaker 2: make a par on this hole. And the mindset. I
Speaker 2: don't think people realize that are listening realized how difficult
Speaker 2: that mindset is because you're always attacked, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack.
Speaker 2: But sometimes when you know all you have to do
Speaker 2: is make a par when you go into that not defense.
Speaker 2: So I guess that's the question is the county When
Speaker 2: you say, okay, we are going to play for par,
Speaker 2: it is easy to think of that as a defensive strategy,
Speaker 2: like the prevent defense they were in team sports in
Speaker 2: basketball football, What does the prevent defense prevent you from winning.
Speaker 2: Every time you go into the prevent defense, it seems
Speaker 2: like the team loses, right. So when you're in that situation,
Speaker 2: you're trying to talk her into the smart play and say, listen,
Speaker 2: left is fine. Short is in the road hole bunker.
Speaker 2: We're making bogy or double from there. Yeah, front right
Speaker 2: to that pin, we're not going to be able to
Speaker 2: get it close. Left is the play. How do you
Speaker 2: convey that and see that as a positive and play
Speaker 2: of aggressively but conservatively because I think that's a balance
Speaker 2: that a lot of players struggle with. You know, conservative
Speaker 2: target but it's something I say all the time, conservative
Speaker 2: targets but committed aggressive swing to conservative targets. The big
Speaker 2: difference between being aggressive and reckless. But I think that's
Speaker 2: the trap that a lot of players, specifically when you
Speaker 2: are trying to break ninety one hundred and eighty for
Speaker 2: the first time, just don't be reckless. You still be aggressive,
Speaker 2: but committed swings to conservative targets. That process, How did
Speaker 2: you guys go through that process?
Speaker 3: The first two days of pins were on I don't know,
Speaker 3: I can't remember what they were on, but they were
Speaker 3: on the front right part of that green and we
Speaker 3: had I kind of remember, I think we had five
Speaker 3: iron both times. I mean, normally we would probably have
Speaker 3: hit four hybrids. So it was like right on the
Speaker 3: limit of whether it was going to land up top
Speaker 3: or maybe not up top, but like right on the
Speaker 3: rest of that hill on the front right of the green.
Speaker 3: And it was just like, like, just keep it right
Speaker 3: like we can. We cannot hit this golf club onto
Speaker 3: the road like that. When the pin's on the right
Speaker 3: hand side, I'm gonna hit it in the bunker. It's like,
Speaker 3: just keep it right in the flag. You know, we
Speaker 3: cannot hit this long. So but if you hit it
Speaker 3: good or it gets a bounce, you know, a links golf'slike,
Speaker 3: I mean every now and again you get the old
Speaker 3: bounce and it goes some stupid distance or whatever. And
Speaker 3: I was like, the bounce is not gonna affect us
Speaker 3: that badly here. So the first two days we were
Speaker 3: kind of short, right, she hit two good lag puts
Speaker 3: up there. I mean, we made part there four days
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: You sprint, yeah the next hole if you're making par
Speaker 2: there every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then on the third day, that was when it
Speaker 3: was tucked right behind the bunker, I mean and I've
Speaker 3: played that pin position before in the Saint Andrew's Links Trophy,
Speaker 3: and I don't think I hit it left at that point.
Speaker 3: I was probably reckless and went at the flag. But
Speaker 3: it's like, again, it's like plate your strengths. I think
Speaker 3: that's where they are a lot better than obviously your
Speaker 3: average golfer is, because the strength of Lydia is our
Speaker 3: short game. I mean, she can get it up and
Speaker 3: down out a ball washer. So it's like that was
Speaker 3: kind of what I was saying to her, was like, look,
Speaker 3: let's just hit this one left. You're gonna have twenty yards.
Speaker 3: But if you hit it on the front right part
Speaker 3: of the green, you're either going to have to chip
Speaker 3: it from there, you're gonna land it on a downslope.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have maybe ten feet. Like if you've got
Speaker 3: twenty yards with a lob wedge in your hand, you
Speaker 3: could chip that in. So it's like you're you're essentially
Speaker 3: taking five out of the equation. Then on the final day,
Speaker 3: it was kind of tucked just over the slope to
Speaker 3: the right of the bunker, so you're now that was
Speaker 3: probably the hardest pin because obviously you're bringing in short
Speaker 3: right or short left. If it's like even if it's
Speaker 3: short left and it's not in the bunker, I mean,
Speaker 3: that's no gimme up and down. If it's in the bunker,
Speaker 3: it's not an easy up and down. And if you
Speaker 3: hit it long, it's into the road. So I'm sure
Speaker 3: anybody that watched on the coverage, I mean, it was
Speaker 3: pissing it down with rain and the wind picked up,
Speaker 3: and it was it was one of those I can't
Speaker 3: remember what number we had, but it was like it
Speaker 3: was way shorter than what a three wood was. And
Speaker 3: she was like, do I just punch you know, just
Speaker 3: flight a three wood in there? And I'm like yeah,
Speaker 3: and she I think she said it in her press
Speaker 3: conference afterwards. It was like she had a club in
Speaker 3: her hand that she couldn't go long. It was like
Speaker 3: there was no way that she could get that essentially
Speaker 3: past the flag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that shot, she has to hit that shot
Speaker 4: in that situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was the thing, like as I said,
Speaker 3: I think she said it in the press conference afterwards,
Speaker 3: like she literally had a club that she couldn't hit long. Like,
Speaker 3: So for that one for us short right, same as
Speaker 3: the front first two pins, I mean that was kind
Speaker 3: of where you wanted to hit it. I mean, and
Speaker 3: she hit this unbelieva like I'm standing there with the
Speaker 3: umbrella trying to peek my head out to see. I mean,
Speaker 3: she hits this unbelievably low three wood, and as soon
Speaker 3: as it came off, I was like, as long as
Speaker 3: that doesn't kick left, like, we're gonna have a pot
Speaker 3: at Bertie. Like, I don't know how long that put's
Speaker 3: going to because it might have just cress it up.
Speaker 3: It might have ended up getting up and coming back down.
Speaker 3: I was like, but we're gonna have a chance at Birdie.
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's obviously crept up there, kind of
Speaker 3: ran a little left and it was It was good.
Speaker 3: I actually thought that she was probably gonna hold that pot.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's not It's not an easy green
Speaker 3: hole any kind of put on. I mean, there's a
Speaker 3: lot more slope there again than people actually realize when
Speaker 3: you're watching on TV.
Speaker 4: So then you go to eighteen, Did you guys know
Speaker 4: where you stood?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we well, yes, we would both after
Speaker 3: we were all well, after we finished sixteen that we
Speaker 3: were tied for the lead. Yeah, then there was a
Speaker 3: big leader board to the like behind and to the
Speaker 3: left of seventeen Green.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better place to stand up
Speaker 1: in a major championship. I mean, going back into the
Speaker 1: town of Saint Andrew's, I mean, it is magical if
Speaker 1: you if you get a chance to even go there,
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to play, But to be
Speaker 1: on the eighteenth hole, I mean, were you aware of
Speaker 1: that we were at least, or were you so in
Speaker 1: the moment when at any point when you were walking
Speaker 1: down there did you kind of go wow?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I never did. I mean, that's the thing is like
Speaker 3: I think when you're in the heat of the moment,
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like, all right, well, we've just
Speaker 3: got a job to do. I don't think it ever,
Speaker 3: or I don't think it's sunk in yet, But I mean,
Speaker 3: to win it Saint Andrews is cool. I remember saying
Speaker 3: to her afterwards, once everything had happened and we went
Speaker 3: she was down getting pictures on the Swilkin Bridge, and
Speaker 3: I was like, right, I'm gonna leave you, because she
Speaker 3: had a bunch of other stuff to do and they
Speaker 3: were obviously going for dinner. I left there on the bridge,
Speaker 3: photographers everywhere, and I was like I said to her.
Speaker 3: I was like, only legends win here. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is literally where legends win, as like the old
Speaker 3: courses Andrews. I was like, and you are now or
Speaker 3: you were a legend anyway, I was like, but you're
Speaker 3: you're now a legend. So I hope that she kind
Speaker 3: of took it like I took it in. Then I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have took it in at the time that we
Speaker 3: were that we were doing it.
Speaker 4: How many drinks did you have on the Sunday night?
Speaker 4: Give me a tally? Come on, where'd you go?
Speaker 3: First?
Speaker 4: Of all, we got a top where'd you go?
Speaker 3: I went to Russex. We went to the rooftop restaurant
Speaker 3: in Russex, had some dinner there, rememb we had three
Speaker 3: or four beers there. Then we went to the vic.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been to the Vica?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been to the VIC.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I walk in there and I ordered a pint
Speaker 3: attendants in the gimme and like the old school mug.
Speaker 3: And I've still got my ring year on. I've got
Speaker 3: like all my stuff from the golf course or whatever.
Speaker 3: And when we were down in Troon the week before,
Speaker 3: I'd seen that they'd been serving tenants and those like
Speaker 3: Stella Attua goblets, and I was like, weird, It's like
Speaker 3: that doesn't really fit tenants. So of course this chick
Speaker 3: gives me the my pint attendants in this mug, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm having this and she's like, no,
Speaker 3: you're not, and I was like, yeah, I'm my buddy.
Speaker 3: It was with me. He was like, he just won
Speaker 3: the openings and Andrews just give him the mug and I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm taking it. I was like, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I was like, and I might even get you rinsed out,
Speaker 3: and she's like, you can have it, but I'm not
Speaker 3: rinsed it out for you. So I ended up walking
Speaker 3: out of there with two So somebody from the vix
Speaker 3: liston has like, apologies, I've got two year glasses.
Speaker 4: So what's next for Lyddy? I mean, obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: she's twenty seven.
Speaker 1: She's saying she's probably not going to play golf much longer,
Speaker 1: you know, three years until she's thirty eight years since
Speaker 1: she won her last major.
Speaker 4: She's now won Olympic gold medal.
Speaker 1: Do you think getting into the Hall of Fame will
Speaker 1: take some pressure off? Do you think that was weighing
Speaker 1: on her mind.
Speaker 3: I think it probably was at the start when I
Speaker 3: first started caddying four, and I mean i'm speaking for
Speaker 3: or now. I think it was at the start. Then
Speaker 3: when we won in Orlando, then obviously got beat the
Speaker 3: falling week in a playoff by Nelly. I think that
Speaker 3: she maybe felt a kind of a little bit like
Speaker 3: her chance came and gone. But then I think she
Speaker 3: said since that like her her mom and her her
Speaker 3: husband had said to her, like it doesn't really matter
Speaker 3: about the Hall of Fame. I mean, and that was
Speaker 3: the thing. Like I like, as you said earlier, like
Speaker 3: the criteria to get in the LPGA Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: is insanity. Like I looked at I like every time
Speaker 3: I would go out there, I'm like, she is a
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Like there's nobody out here that has
Speaker 3: as many points or whatever it is to get into
Speaker 3: that Hall of Fame. It's like she is literally a
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. And like I never ever said to her,
Speaker 3: but I was like, if they change it, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get in any way. I know you don't want to
Speaker 3: backdoor it that way, but like they would probably have
Speaker 3: changed it at some point, and she would have got in.
Speaker 3: I don't think she would have really have accepted it
Speaker 3: that way, and she didn't have to. Well she doesn't
Speaker 3: have to now, but yeah, I think that there probably
Speaker 3: is a little bit of pressure off. I mean, she
Speaker 3: could go on a crazy run for you know, the
Speaker 3: rest of this year, twenty seven years old exactly. She's
Speaker 3: twenty seven, I mean, And that's what I said on Sunday.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's not like she's thirty seven, and
Speaker 3: it's like she's forty. It's not like she's like dwindling
Speaker 3: down and she only has like a year left to play.
Speaker 3: Like she she literally could probably take a if she
Speaker 3: wanted to, then come back and play again if she
Speaker 3: really wanted to. I don't think she will. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. I haven't really spoke to her
Speaker 3: over the last couple of days. I've just kind of
Speaker 3: left her. I mean, I know she was going back
Speaker 3: to San fran on the Friday morning. I'm back at
Speaker 3: my parents' house in Scotland, so I've kind of I
Speaker 3: don't really have the great service and I've just kind
Speaker 3: of I've just been trying to take it all in.
Speaker 3: But it's absolutely nuts.
Speaker 2: But yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, she still has a lot of good golf
Speaker 3: to play. I mean, I don't think anybody needs to
Speaker 3: be worried about her running off into the sunset. Yet.
Speaker 1: Lastly, your goal growing up in Aberdeen, Scotland was to
Speaker 1: play professional golf.
Speaker 4: You had those moments like everybody does.
Speaker 1: Where you're a kid and you're hole in a putt
Speaker 1: to win the Open Championship or stuff like that. It
Speaker 1: didn't turn out like that for you, but you've now
Speaker 1: been on the bag for two Open Championships at arguably
Speaker 1: that other than maybe true Carnustian, Saint Andrews Okay, Mirfield
Speaker 1: is probably those are the four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you couldn't script it.
Speaker 1: Any better, being from Scotland on the bag to caddy
Speaker 1: and have an Open Championship win at Carnoustie, and then
Speaker 1: to have one at the home of golf Saint Andrews.
Speaker 1: Has it sunk in for you personally? Have you allowed
Speaker 1: yourself to kind of congratulate yourself and go, man, this
Speaker 1: is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: No, And I don't know why, but it's it's almost
Speaker 3: I don't know. I suppose I take a little bit
Speaker 3: of the mentality of what I was like as a
Speaker 3: player and my caddian and it's like, I don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, it is very special. I mean they're the
Speaker 3: two that's probably the only two golf tournaments that the
Speaker 3: women will play that will be anywhere remotely close to
Speaker 3: where I grew up and I play. I played Carnoustie
Speaker 3: on Monday after Saint Andrew's actually midday and I walked
Speaker 3: up on the first tea and the starter was like, oh,
Speaker 3: have you played here before? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: a long time ago. And he's like, well when was that?
Speaker 3: And I was like it was twenty two years ago
Speaker 3: in the British Boys. And he's like that's a long
Speaker 3: time and he's like, oh yeah. And it was actually
Speaker 3: Anna Nordquist Sea time. She couldn't make it. She was
Speaker 3: going to Boston, her manager set up and he's like,
Speaker 3: he's like, you've been very lucky. He's like, it was
Speaker 3: meant to be on an Nordquist that was played today
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, I actually caddied for here
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. When she won. Was like and
Speaker 3: he's like oh, and I was like yeah, so no,
Speaker 3: I don't and I don't think like a lot of
Speaker 3: people close to me get annoy you may because I
Speaker 3: don't ever really take any of the credit for the success,
Speaker 3: and I don't think that what I do is that difficult,
Speaker 3: and I just it's just a pleasure to to work
Speaker 3: for good players. It's a pleasure to watch good golf.
Speaker 3: And I've just been very, very lucky that I've managed
Speaker 3: to win probably two of the biggest tournaments in the
Speaker 3: women's game, basically on my doorstep. I mean, it's pretty neat.
Speaker 3: It is pretty neat.
Speaker 2: One day.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm going to sit back when I'm in
Speaker 3: Saint Pete long time from now, and I'll be having
Speaker 3: a beer and I'll maybe shed a little tear and
Speaker 3: be excited about it. But I mean, it's like, you
Speaker 3: know what, it's like, all these all these guys that
Speaker 3: you work with, It's like once they won one tournament,
Speaker 3: they get to the next. It's like, it's not that
Speaker 3: they forget about it. But you've got a job to do.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get the Olympic tattoo.
Speaker 3: I might do. I might do. Know that. I again,
Speaker 3: I want not massive proponent for the for the golf
Speaker 3: and the Olympics, but I'll maybe I'll maybe make an exception.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, man, you got to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I probably will. I probably will. That'll be
Speaker 3: my nice little memento.
Speaker 1: Well, as much as I know that you wanted to
Speaker 1: play and we worked pretty hard to try and get
Speaker 1: you to reach your dreams, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 4: Man. It's it's been fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Uh. These moments are special when you're in them, and
Speaker 1: when you're a part of them, it's hard to to
Speaker 1: understand what has happened. But we are so lucky to
Speaker 1: be around great players, to have an opportunity to share
Speaker 1: in their success, to have an opportunity to be a
Speaker 1: part of their success. Listen, we all know that, you know,
Speaker 1: in the world that we live in, they could do
Speaker 1: it without us. Yeah, right, they are the best players
Speaker 1: in the world. They could win tournaments, they could win
Speaker 1: majors without our involvement. But it's also important. It's something
Speaker 1: you know, my father's always said. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: look at Tiger's success. He could have done all of
Speaker 1: this without me. I just know he didn't. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's important to remember that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: they can always do it without you. They can always
Speaker 1: win tournaments. Their talent is amazing. It's great, but they
Speaker 1: don't do it without you, and you are a part
Speaker 1: of it. Are you the reason? Hell no, they're the reason, right,
Speaker 1: we all know they're the reason. But yeah, we do play,
Speaker 1: and you'd have played an enormous part in the success
Speaker 1: of both, you know, Anna, But I think Lydia's this year.
Speaker 1: I think the reset of getting somebody like you on
Speaker 1: the bag who had some experience of playing, who could
Speaker 1: make things on the golf course simpler, to make it
Speaker 1: less pressurized. I'm proud of you, mate, You've done a
Speaker 1: great job and I think you're going to have more
Speaker 1: continued success and hopefully we'll celebrate with some alcohol soon.
Speaker 3: We will, for sure, I'll come down for a lesson.
Speaker 1: Please please tell me your your mother has overloaded you
Speaker 1: with square sausage sandwiches and you know, all the good.
Speaker 3: Stuff Macaroni prize, bridy sausage roles. That's the only thing
Speaker 3: I missed, because obviously I live in Florida, know, And
Speaker 3: it's like, that's the only thing I missed, Like just
Speaker 3: all the all the Scottish crap bakery goods. I like
Speaker 3: all the savory goods, like even the candy, Like I
Speaker 3: order iron Brew off Amazon like every week when I'm
Speaker 3: at home, so iron Brew, I don't really miss that much.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, all the all the square sausage and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: It's been good, great to talk to you, mate. We'll
Speaker 4: look forward to seeing you soon. Travel safe.
Speaker 3: Thanks God.
Speaker 1: So that was Paul Kormack. And listen for those of
Speaker 1: you that listen to the pod on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: I try and talk all the time about minimizing mistakes,
Speaker 1: playing to your strengths as a player, trying to eliminate
Speaker 1: the big numbers. And you just heard a guy who's
Speaker 1: on the bag for Lydia coach. He just won an
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medal. She just won her third major after
Speaker 1: an eight year drought. He talked a lot about she
Speaker 1: plays her strengths, she tries to limit the damage and
Speaker 1: just tries to play smart. And I just think that
Speaker 1: is something that everyone that's listening can take the heart
Speaker 1: with their own game. You know, make a good bogie,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go for the hero shot. Play
Speaker 1: to what your strengths are. Know what your strengths are,
Speaker 1: and that's what the best players in the world do. Yes,
Speaker 1: they hit better shots than we do. Of course they do.
Speaker 1: They're the best players in the world, but they also
Speaker 1: limit the damage. They manage their missues, they manage their
Speaker 1: mistakes better, and I think Paul did a great job
Speaker 1: at talking about kind of the process that Lydia goes through.
Speaker 1: And you know, anytime you can listen to a caddy,
Speaker 1: that caddy's for a great player that's winning big tournaments,
Speaker 1: I think it's very unique insight because I think caddies
Speaker 1: have the best seat for professional golf. They're up close
Speaker 1: with their player, and I really enjoyed that. I'm proud
Speaker 1: of Paul. I consider him a friend and a really
Speaker 1: really cool talk So I want to thank everyone for listening, Rate, review,
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