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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week's guest Paul Kormack. Paul Caddy's on

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Speaker 1: the bag with Lydia Coe. She's won a gold medal,

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Speaker 1: won her third major at the AIG Women's Open at St.

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Speaker 1: Andrew's And this is a really, really cool story. But

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Speaker 1: it's a fun one for me because Paul, he's from Scotland.

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Speaker 1: I used to live in Scotland from Aberdeen. I used

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Speaker 1: to live in Aberdeen. But I used to teach him.

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Speaker 1: He was trying to play. He had status on PJ

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Speaker 1: Tour Canada, so back in kind of I think he

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Speaker 1: quit playing in twenty sixteen. He was trying to play.

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Speaker 1: I worked with him on his game. He was a

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Speaker 1: good player. But to watch the success he's had in

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Speaker 1: the caddy in ranks on the LPGA, I think he's

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Speaker 1: one of the best caddies in the world and it's

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Speaker 1: fun to watch him do what he does. I know

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Speaker 1: him well and to see him doing all the stuff

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Speaker 1: that he's doing to be a part of Lydia's team

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Speaker 1: to win an Olympic gold medal, which completes you know,

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Speaker 1: she's got a Bronze silver and now our gold and

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Speaker 1: then for Paul being from Scotland, from Aberdeen to be

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Speaker 1: on the bag for Lydia at the Home of Golf.

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Speaker 1: Such is such a cool story. I'm really excited for

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Speaker 1: everyone to hear this one. Paul Kormack on the Son

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Speaker 1: of a Butch podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, I guess today Paul Cormack, Paul, you and

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Speaker 2: I worked together when you were trying to play competitive

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Speaker 2: professional golf. You know, you, like a lot of players,

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Speaker 2: came from overseas, came to America with aspirations to play.

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Speaker 2: How did you get into caddying and what was the

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Speaker 2: decision making behind becoming a caddy. We'll get to the

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Speaker 2: superstars you've caddied four and all the majors and all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. But I always think it's interesting ex players

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Speaker 2: their journey to becoming a professional caddy. I think we

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Speaker 2: see more of that now maybe than we did in

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Speaker 2: the past. Or a lot of players on the PGA

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Speaker 2: Tour that had status. There's a lot of guys out

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Speaker 2: on the LPGA that had status as well. But your

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Speaker 2: journey to becoming a professional caddy from trying to play,

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Speaker 2: what was the decision behind that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, the decision was probably it was probably my

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Speaker 3: easiest way to get back into that competitive environment of

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Speaker 3: where I wanted to be. And as you know, I

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Speaker 3: was a member at Bay Hill. I was lucky enough

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Speaker 3: it was Maria Huorth her husband. She used to play

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Speaker 3: on the LPGA tour. Her husband, Sean McBride was a caddy.

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Speaker 3: He carried on the LPGA for a long time, caddied

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Speaker 3: on the PGA Tour and I think at that time

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Speaker 3: he might have been carrying for Bryce Moulder. And when

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Speaker 3: I stopped playing, he basically we sat and had a

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Speaker 3: beer in the clubhouse and he was like, what are

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Speaker 3: you going to do? And I was like, I've got

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Speaker 3: no idea. But obviously I wanted to remain in golf.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not the smartest person on the planet.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know how I'm going

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Speaker 3: And I thought about coaching, and then I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's no guarantees there. I mean, there was

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Speaker 3: no guarantees Caddian, but like, I figured that I could

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Speaker 3: I have in the game caddying than I could anything else.

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Speaker 3: So that was kind of it. And I told him

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Speaker 3: with some people. I eventually got in touch with some people,

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Speaker 3: and then dude called me. He's like, do you want

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Speaker 3: And I said yes, And that was it, and I'm

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Speaker 3: still doing it today. I mean, I love it, but

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Speaker 2: How many years ago was that, because I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: Twenty and sixteen was the last time I went to

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Speaker 3: thousand and seventeen that I started caddy in.

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Speaker 2: So the first player you worked with was.

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Speaker 3: Here, Maddie Shields.

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Speaker 2: Maddie shield How long that last.

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Speaker 3: Uh six events. I did kings Mill Shopwright Tournament in

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Speaker 2: The glamorous life of professional golf. Yeah, so when you

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Speaker 2: started out, give yourself a grade those first six tournaments

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Speaker 2: is to caddy versus where you are.

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Speaker 3: Today, Ah, like two or three. I mean, I had

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Speaker 3: no idea. I mean it's just completely different. I mean

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Speaker 3: Patterson at the time, and obviously he's Northern. I I

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Speaker 3: the US Open at Trump Medminster. I'm in this golf course,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Dave, can you give me a little bit

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Speaker 3: Like I was. I was. I understood golf, but I

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Speaker 3: don't like I understood the art of caddying. I still

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Speaker 3: don't think I do.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people will find that very

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Speaker 2: interesting because obviously trying to play professionally. You play college

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Speaker 2: When AJ came out, he didn't know anything, right, he

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Speaker 2: And it's just not because he caddies for his brother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that jump from.

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Speaker 2: Playing competitively to caddya, what's the difficulty because in my mind,

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Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, I think because you're not doing it

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Speaker 3: And it's like like my like I listen to a

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Speaker 3: I ultimately when I played, I played scared. But then

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Speaker 2: When you're trying to get numbers and stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: it's one fifty to carry the bunk or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: just repetition. You just get used to doing it. Are

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, it probably took me a little bit of

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Speaker 3: and figure out angles and you know dog legs if

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Speaker 3: and it's going to play shorter, Like everybody has that information.

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Speaker 3: Whereas I said, I wasn't smart, but I'm probably smart

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Speaker 3: find actually find that kind of humorous because I was

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Speaker 2: I've had my uncle Billy on the pod a couple

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Speaker 2: of times. He caddied for Jayhawk for thirty years. I

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Speaker 2: asked him what he thought made a great caddy. He says,

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Speaker 2: find a good player. You found a good player in

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Speaker 2: Anna Nord. Chris. You worked with Anna for four years.

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Speaker 2: You guys won the Women's British Open in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one at Carnoustie. Working for a great player, you learn

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Speaker 2: a lot. Anna has been a great player her entire career,

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Speaker 2: Major Spoheim Cup. When you finally had that four year

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Speaker 3: this is going to fit me a little bit better,

430
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 3: and I said yes, I was like cool. So then

431
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 3: I think we had a week that was a week off,

432
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 3: and I think the following week was Canada, and that's

433
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: where we started.

434
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 2: When you started with a big eight years since she

435
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 2: won her last major, and like you said, the arc

436
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 2: of her career has been, you know, massive highs, but

437
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: also some lows. And when when you guys got together,

438
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 2: she wasn't necessarily in the form, certainly nowhere near the

439
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: form that she is now when you go to work

440
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: or a player of her caliber, obviously she's a great player.

441
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: The resume says she's a great player. I mean, you're

442
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 2: taking her on and all she's got to do is

443
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: win a couple of craws. I mean, the criteria to

444
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,679
Speaker 2: get into the LPGA Hall of Fame could be tougher

445
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 2: than to get into Ike or Harvard. I still don't

446
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 2: understand how they just can't make it much easier, and

447
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: look at someone like Lydia Cohen, go you're in the

448
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: Hall of fame of the eyepat When you go to

449
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 2: work for her, what's that first week like is a

450
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: caddie working with a new player, because obviously your job

451
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: is your job. You know how to caddy, you know

452
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 2: what the ardages, you know numbers are. But I say

453
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: this all the time and people laugh. My wife always,

454
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: you know, says I can't say, but professional golfers are

455
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: like dogs. They communicate with you non verbally correct and

456
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: they don't say a lot either. You're constantly trying to

457
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,719
Speaker 2: figure out by the walk up, by when they show up,

458
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 2: and normally within about i've even less than that, you

459
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: can tell if they're in a good mood or a

460
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:31,959
Speaker 2: bad man.

461
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

462
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 2: So that getting to know a player early on, but

463
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 2: also getting to know a player of her caliber that

464
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: obviously she's done great things, She's won majors, she's won

465
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of tournaments. Is that scary? Is it? What's

466
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: that like for you? Iusly?

467
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was probably scared a little bit. I don't

468
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: like I would use the word intimidated, but I was

469
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 3: definitely scared because I was like, you know, Chapel hunn't

470
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: been playing the backs like, and that's all respect to him,

471
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a great player, but he was obviously struggling.

472
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like I didn't question if I

473
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: was any good at what I did, but it was

474
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: just kind of like I needed to get back into

475
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: kind of like a little bit of mojo, a little

476
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: bit flow. And then when I got out there, like

477
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: I had met Lydia obviously plenty of times before, i'd

478
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: never met her sister and or you know, her sister

479
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 3: was very much kind of like, you know, we're struggling

480
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 3: right now, but everything's gonna be fine. And I'm like,

481
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: I know it is. I was like, she's really really

482
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: good and she's only twenty six. I'm like, it's not

483
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 3: like and I told the Scottish media this on Sunday

484
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: last week. I was like, it's not like she's thirty

485
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: seven or forty, like, which in the women's game is

486
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: obviously very not very old, but it's generally on the

487
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 3: older end, whereas in the guys, I mean, they're almost

488
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: just peaking at that time. I was like, she's got

489
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: plenty of years left, and I think I just brought

490
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 3: kind of a little bit of positivity. I was like,

491
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's fine, like bad golf happens. Everybody goes

492
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 3: through that stretch. So that first week, and as he said,

493
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: it was a lot of like, Okay, well what do

494
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 3: I need to do to help her? And she's like

495
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: any good at setting stuff up on the and green.

496
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: So I'm out there, you know, twenty minutes before she

497
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: comes out on the pot and green, setting up drills

498
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: and putting the cones out in the range. You know,

499
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: you've got like a new routine. Like everybody's got the routine.

500
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: But it's like it's different for every player. You know,

501
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: some start on the range, some starting to pot and green,

502
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: and yet no, it was actually it was actually really easy.

503
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: Like after that first day, I was like, you know what,

504
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: it's like, this is like I could I can deal

505
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: with this. This isn't that difficult. I'm probably building up

506
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: in my own head to be something that's not. And

507
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: it was fine. I mean, by your own mission. She

508
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: didn't play very good that week. I think we shot

509
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: eighty one on the third day and she really didn't

510
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: do a whole lot wrong. She just didn't drive it

511
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: very good. That we were at Shaughnessy in Vancouver. I

512
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever been there, isn't it. It's

513
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: single file down the fairways. I mean, like you don't

514
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: even need to hit a bad t shot and you're

515
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: basically just chipping out sideways. So and I was like, well,

516
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: that's going to be you know, like you're driving. Missus

517
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: A probably been heightened a little bit. The roff was long,

518
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: you know, Lydia is not the longest on tour. So

519
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: it's like when you're standing there in the rough and

520
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: it's thick and you do have a shot and you've

521
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: got seven iron in in the green, are almost us

522
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: open like, and somebody's standing there with a wedge, it's

523
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: like it's going to be way easier for them than

524
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 3: it is her. So it's like it's fine, Like bad

525
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: golf happens. You don't shoot eighty one very often, and

526
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: you might not ever shoot eighty one in a tournament again,

527
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: but you did it today, So like let's just move

528
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 3: on like it's it's just golf. Unfortunately.

529
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think sometimes that refresh of just you

530
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: know what happens with coaches as well. I mean, players

531
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: move on and they say, listen, I just want to

532
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: try something different. I want to try something new. That's

533
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: always the worst thing to hear, right, you know, in

534
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: our business, you know, it's always that it's not you

535
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: with me than right, Yeah, you know, you just want

536
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: to try something new. So I think the last time

537
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: I saw you was that the Loo's at the end

538
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: of last year.

539
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: This year in Orlando, sort of this year, that's right.

540
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: The sort of this year in Orlando, which you guys

541
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: won that tournament. When Lydia plays for best, what do

542
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: you feel makes for such a great player?

543
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that weekend Orlando. I mean, obviously she's

544
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 3: familiar with the golf course. She's a member there. She

545
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: lives right off the second hole. I mean, so it's

546
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: like it's like when I go back, like I don't

547
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't play a whole lot of golf anymore. But

548
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 3: if I go back and play a track, I know,

549
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: it's like you almost free wheel it a little bit.

550
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: And it's like she should very calm. I mean, it's

551
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 3: probably the same with the players that you work with.

552
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: It's like they're very calm. Everything kind of comes to

553
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: them kind of very slowly, and like nothing ever gets

554
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: in their way. But when Lydia hits it in the

555
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: fair way more often than not, and I know that

556
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 3: sounds very cliche, and every player is exactly the same,

557
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 3: but more so with her, it's like I feel like

558
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: she thinks she's like, Okay, well I can attack this week,

559
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: like I can be aggressive when I need to be,

560
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: you know, in her in the positions that she wants

561
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: to and it's like, you know, like last week, I

562
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: think on fourteen, shit driver off the deck, and I

563
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 3: saw in the commentary or wherever they're like, this is amazing.

564
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: And it's like she does that every week, Like she

565
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: will literally hit drive her off the deck almost every week.

566
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's a hard shot. But yeah, I

567
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: think when she's when she's nice and calm, she's got

568
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: her mind quiet and she's peaceful, and that just allows

569
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: her to I think, because that's the thing. Even through

570
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: the course of seventy two holes, you're not going to

571
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: every shot exactly the way you want it, but the

572
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: quicker you can brush it off, then you get back

573
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: to the way that you were playing.

574
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 2: So man, so it's so funny listening to you talk

575
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 2: like this because this is one hundred and eighty degrees

576
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: from the way you thought when you tried to play

577
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: profession Yeah, I mean, you were, you were nervous, you

578
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: were always doubting, you were never trusting of what you

579
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: were doing your own game and all of that, and

580
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: you're you're talking about, not surprisingly, one of the best

581
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: players in the women's game, and the mental strength she's

582
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: got is a positive. What's she like as a player

583
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: to cadge? What does she want? What does she not want?

584
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: Does she want a lot of information? Does she want

585
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: to make the decision? Is it a collaboration between the

586
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: two of you.

587
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 3: It's probably a little bit of both in terms of decision.

588
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: Like seventeen last week on the Saturday, for example, when

589
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 3: the pin is behind that road hole, Bunker and I

590
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: had been telling her and both are three time or

591
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: the twice that we played that hole in the pro am.

592
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: Then in the practice round, I was like, if the

593
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: pin's on the left, we're hitting it left. You know

594
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: that you've been there, like yeah, I mean that hole

595
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: was a long hole for them. I mean, if you've

596
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: got a nine iron our wedge, Aron, maybe go out.

597
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: But we were always miles back. I mean I think

598
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: the shortest we had in there to the front was

599
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: probably like one hundred and sixty yards maybe. I mean

600
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: that pins thirty on, so I think on the Saturday

601
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: we had two hundred wind was straight across right to

602
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: left and she's like, can I just hit it on

603
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: the front right part of the green And I'm like no.

604
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, because if it ends up being short, you

605
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: can't get that close. Like the closest you're gonna get

606
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: it's probably fifteen or twenty feet. You're making exactly you're

607
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: going to make a bogie. I was like, so we

608
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: have to hit it left and she's like, I thought

609
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: you were going to say that. So like I'm then

610
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: giving her a line. We've got like a tent or

611
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: whatever that I'm trying to get her to hit it on.

612
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: She's like, well, can I not just hit it on

613
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 3: the seventeen on the TV tower and it was like

614
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: left half of the road hole bunker and I'm like no,

615
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: And she's like why And I'm like, because we don't

616
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: want to be long. I was like, and we don't

617
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: want to be in there. I was like, and I

618
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 3: was basically begging her. I was like, can you please

619
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: just hit it a little further left? I mean, again,

620
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: you're just essentially trying to get her a play her

621
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: strengths I mean, and that's the thing as a caddyo.

622
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not there to tell her how to

623
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 3: play golf or any of the players that I've ever

624
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: worked how to play golf. But it's like you're just

625
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: trying to not get them to screw up. Essentially, it's like,

626
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: just don't do something done, Like let's be smart here.

627
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: So I'm saying it's it's pretty much a collective thing.

628
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: But like again very cliche. Every caddy'll tell you this.

629
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: If they're playing good, just stay out of the way,

630
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like dermot Burn always

631
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: told me. He was like, always listen rather than talk.

632
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one.

633
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's He's like, they're the best players

634
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 3: in the world. He's like, they're going to tell you

635
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: what they do and don't want to do. And I'm like,

636
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: it's probably it. So it was said that whenever he

637
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: had a good day, you'd come back to the Airbnb

638
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: and he'd tell me he was like, I did a

639
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: lot of listening today.

640
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Olympics. What a week Lydia had

641
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: won a silver, she'd won a bronze. She now has

642
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: a gold medal, What was the week like for you guys?

643
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: The Sunday, you guys were cruising five shot lead at

644
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: one point, and then you guys make double on thirteen.

645
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: That's a funky golf course. She hooped one early from

646
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: like what like forty feet?

647
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it was.

648
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: Like eight or nine right around the turn. Yeah, seven,

649
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: And you know, she had a five shot lead on Sunday,

650
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: but then all of a sudden that lead goes away.

651
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: That finished at Golf National ain't easy either, you know, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

652
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: those little holes I think at that golf course, Paul,

653
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: where you have to stand up and you can't fake it.

654
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: You just have to hit a quality golf shot. Yeah,

655
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: you've got to hit the fairway off the tee, You've

656
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: got to stand up and hit the green, hit the

657
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: right shot into there. And then eighteen as well, I

658
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: think eighteen you just have to stand up and hit

659
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: really really good shot. What was the week like for

660
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: you guys? And what was that Sunday like?

661
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: The week as I sent you earlier, I mean the

662
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: week she was she was very calm. I mean I

663
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: know that it was a big deal for her. I mean,

664
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: I'm not a massive proponent for golf in the Olympics.

665
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: I've probably changed my mind a little bit now, but yeah,

666
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: it was. It was calm, like I did the Olympics

667
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: before with Anna in Tokyo. That was obviously during COVID,

668
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: so there was no fans. So I remember the first

669
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: day we had Selene Boutier playing in front of us,

670
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: obviously French, I mean, and there must have been ten, twelve,

671
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: maybe even fifteen thousand people following her. And you've been there, right, Yeah,

672
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 3: golf course, I mean, it's it's unbelievable, like it's a

673
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: great setting for respect there.

674
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: The golf course is down in the bottom of all

675
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: the hills. And then yeah, it feels like up above

676
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: you is where like a lot of the fans are.

677
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: You kind of feel like the fans were on top

678
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: of you when you're in the middle of those parawis.

679
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an amphitheater. I mean, and the sound

680
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: was traveling. I mean she I think Selene shot sixty

681
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: five that first day and me and Lydia kept on

682
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: saying all around it's like she must have just been

683
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: loving this. But like the adrenaline that she had must

684
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: have been insane. But yeah, no, I mean that first

685
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: day was really tough as well. I think we shot

686
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: even maybe the first day maybe one under I can't remember. Then,

687
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: Like as just as the week went on, it was

688
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: kind of the same as last week. I mean, it's

689
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: just again it sounds stupid and it's it's repetitive, but

690
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: it's like you just minimize the mistakes. It's like, if

691
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: you're playing good, you know you're gonna get your birdies.

692
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna get your looks. The wind was

693
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: kind of helpful for us on a pretty much all

694
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: of the longer holes, like the par fives, and it

695
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: was just like, okay, well, if we do what we're

696
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: meant to do, then you're gonna have you know, X

697
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: amount of looks every day, good chances for birdie. And

698
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: it's just like, you know, you've got the as you said,

699
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: like thirteen is not a particularly easy hole. You got

700
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: hit the fairway there or you're I mean, I would

701
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: think that the girls that the majority of girls that

702
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: missed the fairway on thirteen, which is not particularly hard

703
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: to do, you've probably been laying up fifteen. You don't

704
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: hit it on that fairway. I mean, you can obviously

705
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: get it over the back of the green. But like,

706
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: as you said, it's like you you can't fake it.

707
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: You've got you've got to back yourself and you've got

708
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: to you've got to just stand there and execute.

709
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: Really eighteenth pole. I mean, obviously she knows what she's

710
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: about to do, but we all have to get through

711
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: that stretch. You got to hit the fair way. She

712
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: laid up the mindset and her demeanor on that eighteenth

713
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: hole different than the rest of the week or was

714
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: it just normal.

715
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: No, just exactly the same. I mean, we got onto

716
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: that tea and the wind was kind of it was

717
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: kind of switching around a little bit, and if it'd

718
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: be not off the left, I would probably have liked Driver.

719
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: And I think she did the same or whatever. And

720
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: she was like, is it Driver or three Wood? And

721
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: I was like, well right now. And I looked over

722
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: and there was flags up that were to the right

723
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: of seventeen, to the left of where we were looking,

724
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: and they were kind of going straight across, and I

725
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: just felt the wind to go down. She's like, can

726
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: I hit three Wood? And I was like absolutely. I

727
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: was like, because I knew that three Wood would take

728
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: out that kind of in between shot where it was

729
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: like do we go for the green or do we

730
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: have to lay it up? And it was like, she

731
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: can hit this as good or as bad as she wants.

732
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: It's going to be fine, and we're probably gonna have

733
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: a seven or eight are and down there to lay up. Then.

734
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: I mean that pin actually was fairly easy for the layup.

735
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't a particularly easy pin if you were to

736
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: go for the green because it was kind of right

737
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: on that mound where all slopes away.

738
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is that kind of ridge there where everything.

739
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: Like in the practice round when it was straight down wind.

740
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: I mean we had a seven iron that ran out

741
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: thirty yards on that green basically into the hazard and

742
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: they'd softened up as the week had gone on. But

743
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: once we had got it in the fairway, I was

744
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: like all right. I was like, well, probably the hardest

745
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: shot now for her is just to lay up, which

746
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: was perfect. It was like one hundred and fifty yards

747
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: eight iron down there. Then we left a really good number.

748
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: I think it was like seventy four maybe just a

749
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: just a chippy little sand wedge in there.

750
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Oh, she had a beautiful sandwige in there.

751
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it was it was really good. It was

752
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: really and that's it. Like again, it talks to just

753
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: play your strengths. I mean, she was playing into department

754
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: of the game that she's like, Okay, well I know

755
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: that I'm extremely good from here, or she should know.

756
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: If she doesn't, then I'm going to tell her then.

757
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: And it's just like all right, you know. But then

758
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: obviously you're not thinking that way at the time, but

759
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: because obviously it's it's golf and there's a human element

760
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: to it, and it's like, okay, well something could still

761
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: go wrong. But yeah, she was fine. We got the number,

762
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: the wind was perfect for it. I mean, she had

763
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: a really really good shot in there.

764
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: Are you able in that moment? Yeah? She hits a

765
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: beautiful wedge shot. What was the number you said you.

766
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: Guys had I think it was seventy four yards somewhere

767
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: in there, so seventy four yards.

768
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: He hit it to like four feet.

769
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: Great feet, yeah, six I think it was about six

770
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: feet six feet.

771
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: I mean, are you able in that moment where you're

772
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: walking up to just in your head just go man,

773
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: what what a great shot? Yeah?

774
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. I mean I don't

775
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: I don't show a whole lot of emotion when I'm

776
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: on a golf course. I know that some caddies will

777
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: be fist pumping and kind of and there's actually quite

778
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 3: a lot of the caddies will get a little disgruntled

779
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: or whatever. But like, I was just kind of like,

780
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: all right, I was like, well, we've still got a

781
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: two pot from there, you know what I mean, Like

782
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: you're you're thinking, I'm thinking, like probably in a little bit,

783
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: not in the negative, but it's like, all right, well

784
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: we've now got two putts to win. But yeah, when

785
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 3: she rolled it in, I mean it was probably fitting

786
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: that she rolled it in as well, rather than just

787
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 3: dollied it up to a foot or whatever then tapped

788
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: it in.

789
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: Did she say anything afterwards? Because she looked I mean

790
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: I watched it. She looked very emotional. It looked like

791
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: you understood what it meant. Did she say anything?

792
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: No, I don't think she could speak. I mean she

793
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: had tears streaming down her face. I think I had

794
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: I had a little sweary word with you legend in there,

795
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, she never she never said much. I mean,

796
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: it was just it was just mental. I mean then

797
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: even afterwards, I mean the whole because obviously it's not

798
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: the normal golf tournament where they go in and sign

799
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: their scorecard, they come out and they get the trophy.

800
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got kind of maybe that fifteen twenty

801
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: minute period where they go and they get their you know,

802
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: their track suits on and they come out and it's

803
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: neat that you know this the first time. Well no,

804
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: I saw the ceremony in Tokyo, but obviously to have

805
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: a player up there that I've just helped, it's it's

806
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 3: a pretty neat feeling.

807
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, it's got to be a different celebration, Yeah,

808
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: the win an Olympic gold medal than it is to

809
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: win a tournament.

810
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well so that happened. Then the dude,

811
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: Greg Thorpe that was with us, he's the high performance

812
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: manager from New Zealand for Golf, and he was like,

813
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: right now, we need to go to the New Zealand house.

814
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: So we end up getting in this van after she's

815
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: done her media or whatever, and we're in this van

816
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: and there was I think he was a Kiwi journalist maybe,

817
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: and he had his laptop and we're standing there or

818
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: we're sitting in this van driving forty minutes into Paris

819
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: and he's got the high jump on because one of

820
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: the key we guys was in the final of the

821
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: high jump. So we're sitting there watching that we just

822
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: won a golf tournament and everybody's worried about this guy

823
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: winning a gold medal. I'm like, this is kind of

824
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 3: a little bit weird. I was like, but it's kind

825
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: of cool, Like I can get used to this.

826
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: So then you guys go to the New Zealand house

827
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: and there's all the New Zealand athletes there.

828
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: There was I think it was a lot of sponsors

829
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: that help obviously pay for the Olympic stuff. There was

830
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: I believe there was two or three of the athletes there.

831
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, they they sing a song when Lydia goes in,

832
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: they do the hack out right in front of us,

833
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: which is really cool. And then yeah, like everybody's taking

834
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: pictures with the medal like it was really neat. It

835
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: was kind of like, all right, I was like, this

836
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: is what's sports is about. It's not about you know,

837
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: it's not about the check it's not about anything like that.

838
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: Like this is the probably the purest form of golf

839
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: you get other than the Solheim Cupp or the Ryder

840
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 3: Cup or whatever it was neat Then I sat there

841
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: at ten past eleven, eating a curry and drinking a corona.

842
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: I was like, this is this is a little bit odd.

843
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't normally be well gone by night.

844
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: Did you try on the metal?

845
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? I wore it. The thing's heavy, really heavy.

846
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: Everybody says they're really really heavy.

847
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I was like, I remember when she was

848
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: walking from press up to she had to go and

849
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: do someone else. I think Molly, the commissioner of the

850
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: LPGA tour. She wanted to present her with something for

851
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: getting into the Hall of Fame. And she's walking up

852
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: and I was like, can I just have a quick

853
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: look at it before you go in there? She's like

854
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: here where? So she put it on my neck and

855
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: I was like, holy crap, this thing is super.

856
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: Heavy, amazing. Onto the Women's British Open, Uh Saint Andrew's.

857
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Marina Alex was messaging me all week about

858
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: she was just saying it's just so cool. I mean

859
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: there are there are majors, there are open championship, and

860
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: then there are open championships. At St. Andrew's. Uh yeah,

861
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: it's just personally. I know it might sound controversial. I

862
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: wish they'd play it at St Andrews every year. Yeah,

863
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: I wish they would just leave, certainly for the men.

864
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: I just wish they'd leave the Open Championship at St. Andrews,

865
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: the home of golf. Leave it there. Such a great

866
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: golf course. You know, you make that turn and you

867
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: come back into the city. It's it's a magical place. Obviously,

868
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: she went into that week playing well. What was the

869
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: week like? As the week progressed, did you guys have

870
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: a feeling that she was on the cusp of doing something,

871
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 2: you know, really unique and really really special.

872
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I kind of thought even before we went there,

873
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: I was like it might take a little bit of

874
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: pressure off kind of off the tee as like, as

875
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: you know, you've been there plenty of times, I'm sure

876
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: like the fairways are pretty wide, but there are a

877
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: lot of bunkers that you kind of need to avoid

878
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: that kind of are on the left of every hole,

879
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: and it's it's almost one of those golf courses where

880
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: if you kind of play the hole as it's meant

881
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: to be played, it can be very very easy. But

882
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: that's also you're flirting with a trouble. But then if

883
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: you start hitting it left, like the angles into the

884
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: greens aren't very good. And the way that the wind

885
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: was like, it was like the front line was pretty

886
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: much hard off the left, whether it was slightly in

887
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: or slightly dying every day. But the it was almost like, right, okay,

888
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 3: we need to try and get it in the middle

889
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: of our fairway, Like if we can get it as

890
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: close to the middle of our fairway every day, because

891
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: I mean some of those fairways are fifty sixty seventy.

892
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: Miles and what people, if you've never played Saint Andrews,

893
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: you can miss it off the tee going out on

894
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: the front nine and coming back on the back of

895
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: you can miss it as far left as you want. Yeah,

896
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: that's got one hundred yards left of the fairway, and

897
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: you're still going to be unless you go into a

898
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: bunker or you get unlucky to go into some you know,

899
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: gores for or heather, you're probably going to have a

900
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: lie from the fairway. The problem is the angle you're

901
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: coming in from is just going to be.

902
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 3: Horrendous, exactly. And that's the thing, Like I remember Lydia

903
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: had played there in thirteen and I can't remember what

904
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: hole we were playing, and she kind of looked back

905
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: and like, say, we're playing like fifteen or whatever it is.

906
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: I mean, and there's bunkers that you can't even see

907
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: off the tee. We can see them because we have

908
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: a yardage book and obviously I've walked to golf course

909
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: et cetera or whatever. But it's like when you look

910
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: back and it's like that bunker shouldn't even be on

911
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 3: this hole, but it's like in the middle of whatever

912
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: fairway you're playing, because it's actually a bunker that's actually

913
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: meant to have gone or it looks like it was

914
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: going the other way. So yeah, I mean, we just

915
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: we had a really good game plan. Again, it was

916
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: kind of similar to Paris. It was like as the

917
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: week went on, it was like when we were just

918
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: hanging around, hanging around. Then obviously again in that final

919
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: day and I remember somebody or saying to me on

920
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: the Saturday night, They're like, uh, you're probably hoping that

921
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: it's not windy tomorrow, and I'm like, I hope it's

922
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: really windy tomorrow. It's like, because we played really good

923
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 3: for three days in fairness for the first two days

924
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: we got the best of the draw. I mean, that's

925
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: another thing when it comes to the Open is that.

926
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: You always have to get the right side of the draw.

927
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: I have to get the luck in the draw. Like

928
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: we played on Thursday, I think we only we maybe

929
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 3: had like four or five with very little wind compared

930
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: to what they've been in the morning. Then on the

931
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: Friday morning, I mean we literally played the hole the

932
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: back nine with very little wind. Then you make the

933
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: turn and it starts howling when you're on one. But

934
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 3: then on Saturday we played it in the wind all

935
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: day and I was like, I hope it's really windy,

936
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: because then you know, and as you know, it's like

937
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: you don't really need to miss a hole a shot

938
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: very badly when it's that windy, and it just gets exaggerated.

939
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: But she had basically been hitting her lines off the

940
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: tees and I was like, if we can just keep

941
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: doing that, you know, we're we're going to be fine.

942
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: Then I mean you get round to I mean with

943
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: the wind that strong, you get round to like seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

944
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: then twelve, and it feels like you're in a wind tunnel.

945
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: It's like little micro climate it's like it's howling, And

946
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: it was like it was almost the same thing every day.

947
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, like let's get through the first six holes,

948
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: kind of hang on to your hat a little bit.

949
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: Once you get to seventy, get round to thirteen. Then,

950
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: because she plays a little cap I was like, I

951
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: was never really that fearpole on the back nine because

952
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 3: it was like we had good targets. She was hitting

953
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: good shots off of tea and I'm like, if we

954
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: can just keep hitting it in the fairway, like she's

955
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: capable of hitting it close and making a couple of birdies,

956
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: and that was it. Then it wasn't really as she said,

957
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 3: it was probably the same for me. I didn't realize

958
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: that we were tied for the lead until she had

959
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: that three foot or on sixteen on Sunday, So I

960
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: was just.

961
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: Gonna ask, is she a scoreboard watcher? Are you a

962
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: scoreboard watcher?

963
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: I look, she looks. We never really ever talk about

964
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 3: it because at the end of the day, it doesn't

965
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: really matter where you are, like you still have to

966
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: stand there and execute the shot. I know that some

967
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: caddies and players, I mean I know that Anna in

968
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: the past has said to me, you know, where do

969
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: we stand?

970
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Like?

971
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: That was kind of actually one thing when we were

972
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: in COVID in Arkansas when I was Caddy and Farannah

973
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: there was no scoreboards, but we were a look at

974
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: her phone to look at the scores, and I actually,

975
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: I'll take the blame for that one. I actually never

976
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: told her where she stood with about four holes to go,

977
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: and she said she told me afterwards. She's like, it

978
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: wouldn't have made a difference. She's like, but it would

979
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: obviously be nice to know. So I think all of

980
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: them look, but like I never ever bring it up, like, Okay,

981
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: we'll maybe if we were one or two back with

982
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: three holes to be to go, or I'd be like, okay,

983
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: look we kind of maybe need to take a little

984
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: bit more of a risk here there. But when you're

985
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: when you're in that position of tied for the lead

986
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: or that close to the lead with especially with seventeen,

987
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: it's just like you've just got to stand there and

988
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: now show you don't really need to be thinking about Okay,

989
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: well you know, I don't need to have a bad

990
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: one here because we're tied for the lead.

991
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: Everybody has seen the seventy te shot at St. Andrews,

992
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: where you've got to go basically over the corner of

993
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 2: the hotel. They've seen it on TV, but if you've

994
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: never stood up and had to hit that shot, but

995
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: in competition, yeah, getting the line and where the wind

996
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: is and how much the wind is going to affect it,

997
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: that to me has got to be a caddy nightmare

998
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: when you're sitting back there because you're basically staring at

999
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: this big giant building that, depending on where the wind is,

1000
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 2: the line can sometimes be. You're basically hitting it over

1001
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: the building and you're like, no, no, that's gonna be fine.

1002
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: That's gonna be fine. That's gonna be fine. And you

1003
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: get down there and it just never looks like it's

1004
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: going to be in the fair one.

1005
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no it is. And especially and it was like,

1006
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: I've played Saint Andrews maybe ten or eleven times before,

1007
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: and I knew what my line would have been from

1008
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: obviously the further back to you or whatever. But when

1009
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: you're standing off to the side and it's like this

1010
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: ball takes off and you're like, is that going exactly

1011
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: where she's looking like, because obviously the angle skewed, and

1012
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 3: it's like but she hit it. She hit it pretty

1013
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: much exactly where she was looking on that T show.

1014
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 3: Every time. I think the furthest left we would have

1015
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: been would have been like left half of the fairway.

1016
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: You guys never missed the fairway.

1017
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: No, we were in the fairway on that hole every

1018
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: day they.

1019
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: Hit the seventeenth fairway in a major championship at Saint

1020
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: Andrews is for four days because there's so much chance there. Right,

1021
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: you could hit an absolute perfect one and it hits

1022
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: the mound and goes hits it sideways and you are you've.

1023
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: Got no shot exactly and it sounds stupid, but like

1024
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: there is a lot more room there right, but like

1025
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: left is actually death. Everybody thinks that left is okay.

1026
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: But left's fine if you want to hit it short

1027
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: at the green, but you have you've literally gotten like

1028
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: there's not really a hole or there's not really a

1029
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: good chance of making par from that left rough it's

1030
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: not very thick, but like you have zero angle, Like

1031
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: the only thing that's staring at you is short at

1032
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: the green or the road.

1033
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: And on Sunday they're going to tuck the pin if

1034
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: you miss it left, they're going to tuck the pin

1035
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: over the road hole bunker. So now you know, if

1036
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: you go you hit it in there, you're making X.

1037
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, you're probably like you might have a putt

1038
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: for four, you're probably making five. And if you're not

1039
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 3: making five, you're probably making a six or seven.

1040
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: But I think that's a great that hole and that

1041
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 2: hole on Sunday, isn't It is an example of if

1042
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: you want to win the golf tournament. There are times

1043
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: in major champions but I think every player goes through this.

1044
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 2: You've seen it on TV, but that is okay, if

1045
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: we want to win the golf tournament, we have to

1046
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: make a par on this hole. And the mindset. I

1047
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: don't think people realize that are listening realized how difficult

1048
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: that mindset is because you're always attacked, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack.

1049
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: But sometimes when you know all you have to do

1050
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: is make a par when you go into that not defense.

1051
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 2: So I guess that's the question is the county When

1052
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: you say, okay, we are going to play for par,

1053
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: it is easy to think of that as a defensive strategy,

1054
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: like the prevent defense they were in team sports in

1055
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: basketball football, What does the prevent defense prevent you from winning.

1056
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: Every time you go into the prevent defense, it seems

1057
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: like the team loses, right. So when you're in that situation,

1058
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: you're trying to talk her into the smart play and say, listen,

1059
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: left is fine. Short is in the road hole bunker.

1060
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: We're making bogy or double from there. Yeah, front right

1061
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: to that pin, we're not going to be able to

1062
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: get it close. Left is the play. How do you

1063
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: convey that and see that as a positive and play

1064
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: of aggressively but conservatively because I think that's a balance

1065
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: that a lot of players struggle with. You know, conservative

1066
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: target but it's something I say all the time, conservative

1067
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: targets but committed aggressive swing to conservative targets. The big

1068
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: difference between being aggressive and reckless. But I think that's

1069
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: the trap that a lot of players, specifically when you

1070
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: are trying to break ninety one hundred and eighty for

1071
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: the first time, just don't be reckless. You still be aggressive,

1072
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: but committed swings to conservative targets. That process, How did

1073
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: you guys go through that process?

1074
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: The first two days of pins were on I don't know,

1075
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: I can't remember what they were on, but they were

1076
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: on the front right part of that green and we

1077
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: had I kind of remember, I think we had five

1078
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: iron both times. I mean, normally we would probably have

1079
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: hit four hybrids. So it was like right on the

1080
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: limit of whether it was going to land up top

1081
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: or maybe not up top, but like right on the

1082
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 3: rest of that hill on the front right of the green.

1083
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: And it was just like, like, just keep it right

1084
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: like we can. We cannot hit this golf club onto

1085
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: the road like that. When the pin's on the right

1086
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: hand side, I'm gonna hit it in the bunker. It's like,

1087
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: just keep it right in the flag. You know, we

1088
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: cannot hit this long. So but if you hit it

1089
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: good or it gets a bounce, you know, a links golf'slike,

1090
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: I mean every now and again you get the old

1091
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: bounce and it goes some stupid distance or whatever. And

1092
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: I was like, the bounce is not gonna affect us

1093
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: that badly here. So the first two days we were

1094
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: kind of short, right, she hit two good lag puts

1095
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: up there. I mean, we made part there four days

1096
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: and then.

1097
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: You sprint, yeah the next hole if you're making par

1098
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: there every day.

1099
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then on the third day, that was when it

1100
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: was tucked right behind the bunker, I mean and I've

1101
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 3: played that pin position before in the Saint Andrew's Links Trophy,

1102
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: and I don't think I hit it left at that point.

1103
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: I was probably reckless and went at the flag. But

1104
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: it's like, again, it's like plate your strengths. I think

1105
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: that's where they are a lot better than obviously your

1106
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: average golfer is, because the strength of Lydia is our

1107
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: short game. I mean, she can get it up and

1108
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: down out a ball washer. So it's like that was

1109
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: kind of what I was saying to her, was like, look,

1110
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 3: let's just hit this one left. You're gonna have twenty yards.

1111
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: But if you hit it on the front right part

1112
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: of the green, you're either going to have to chip

1113
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: it from there, you're gonna land it on a downslope.

1114
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: You're gonna have maybe ten feet. Like if you've got

1115
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: twenty yards with a lob wedge in your hand, you

1116
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: could chip that in. So it's like you're you're essentially

1117
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: taking five out of the equation. Then on the final day,

1118
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: it was kind of tucked just over the slope to

1119
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: the right of the bunker, so you're now that was

1120
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: probably the hardest pin because obviously you're bringing in short

1121
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: right or short left. If it's like even if it's

1122
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: short left and it's not in the bunker, I mean,

1123
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: that's no gimme up and down. If it's in the bunker,

1124
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: it's not an easy up and down. And if you

1125
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 3: hit it long, it's into the road. So I'm sure

1126
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: anybody that watched on the coverage, I mean, it was

1127
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: pissing it down with rain and the wind picked up,

1128
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: and it was it was one of those I can't

1129
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: remember what number we had, but it was like it

1130
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: was way shorter than what a three wood was. And

1131
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: she was like, do I just punch you know, just

1132
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: flight a three wood in there? And I'm like yeah,

1133
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: and she I think she said it in her press

1134
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: conference afterwards. It was like she had a club in

1135
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: her hand that she couldn't go long. It was like

1136
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 3: there was no way that she could get that essentially

1137
00:49:59,239 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: past the flag.

1138
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that shot, she has to hit that shot

1139
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 4: in that situation.

1140
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was the thing, like as I said,

1141
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 3: I think she said it in the press conference afterwards,

1142
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: like she literally had a club that she couldn't hit long. Like,

1143
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: So for that one for us short right, same as

1144
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 3: the front first two pins, I mean that was kind

1145
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: of where you wanted to hit it. I mean, and

1146
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: she hit this unbelieva like I'm standing there with the

1147
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: umbrella trying to peek my head out to see. I mean,

1148
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: she hits this unbelievably low three wood, and as soon

1149
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: as it came off, I was like, as long as

1150
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: that doesn't kick left, like, we're gonna have a pot

1151
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: at Bertie. Like, I don't know how long that put's

1152
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: going to because it might have just cress it up.

1153
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: It might have ended up getting up and coming back down.

1154
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: I was like, but we're gonna have a chance at Birdie.

1155
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's obviously crept up there, kind of

1156
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: ran a little left and it was It was good.

1157
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: I actually thought that she was probably gonna hold that pot.

1158
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: But I mean it's not It's not an easy green

1159
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: hole any kind of put on. I mean, there's a

1160
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 3: lot more slope there again than people actually realize when

1161
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: you're watching on TV.

1162
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: So then you go to eighteen, Did you guys know

1163
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: where you stood?

1164
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we well, yes, we would both after

1165
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: we were all well, after we finished sixteen that we

1166
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: were tied for the lead. Yeah, then there was a

1167
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: big leader board to the like behind and to the

1168
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 3: left of seventeen Green.

1169
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better place to stand up

1170
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: in a major championship. I mean, going back into the

1171
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: town of Saint Andrew's, I mean, it is magical if

1172
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: you if you get a chance to even go there,

1173
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to play, But to be

1174
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: on the eighteenth hole, I mean, were you aware of

1175
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: that we were at least, or were you so in

1176
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: the moment when at any point when you were walking

1177
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: down there did you kind of go wow?

1178
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: No?

1179
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: I never did. I mean, that's the thing is like

1180
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: I think when you're in the heat of the moment,

1181
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like, all right, well, we've just

1182
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: got a job to do. I don't think it ever,

1183
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: or I don't think it's sunk in yet, But I mean,

1184
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: to win it Saint Andrews is cool. I remember saying

1185
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: to her afterwards, once everything had happened and we went

1186
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: she was down getting pictures on the Swilkin Bridge, and

1187
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 3: I was like, right, I'm gonna leave you, because she

1188
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 3: had a bunch of other stuff to do and they

1189
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 3: were obviously going for dinner. I left there on the bridge,

1190
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: photographers everywhere, and I was like I said to her.

1191
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: I was like, only legends win here. I was like,

1192
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: this is literally where legends win, as like the old

1193
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: courses Andrews. I was like, and you are now or

1194
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 3: you were a legend anyway, I was like, but you're

1195
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: you're now a legend. So I hope that she kind

1196
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: of took it like I took it in. Then I

1197
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't have took it in at the time that we

1198
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: were that we were doing it.

1199
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: How many drinks did you have on the Sunday night?

1200
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: Give me a tally? Come on, where'd you go?

1201
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 3: First?

1202
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: Of all, we got a top where'd you go?

1203
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 3: I went to Russex. We went to the rooftop restaurant

1204
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: in Russex, had some dinner there, rememb we had three

1205
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: or four beers there. Then we went to the vic.

1206
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: Have you ever been to the Vica?

1207
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: Oh?

1208
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been to the VIC.

1209
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1210
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 3: And I walk in there and I ordered a pint

1211
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: attendants in the gimme and like the old school mug.

1212
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: And I've still got my ring year on. I've got

1213
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: like all my stuff from the golf course or whatever.

1214
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: And when we were down in Troon the week before,

1215
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: I'd seen that they'd been serving tenants and those like

1216
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 3: Stella Attua goblets, and I was like, weird, It's like

1217
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: that doesn't really fit tenants. So of course this chick

1218
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: gives me the my pint attendants in this mug, and

1219
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm having this and she's like, no,

1220
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: you're not, and I was like, yeah, I'm my buddy.

1221
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: It was with me. He was like, he just won

1222
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: the openings and Andrews just give him the mug and I

1223
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: was like, I'm taking it. I was like, I don't care.

1224
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: I was like, and I might even get you rinsed out,

1225
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: and she's like, you can have it, but I'm not

1226
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: rinsed it out for you. So I ended up walking

1227
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: out of there with two So somebody from the vix

1228
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: liston has like, apologies, I've got two year glasses.

1229
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 4: So what's next for Lyddy? I mean, obviously, you know,

1230
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 4: she's twenty seven.

1231
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: She's saying she's probably not going to play golf much longer,

1232
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, three years until she's thirty eight years since

1233
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: she won her last major.

1234
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 4: She's now won Olympic gold medal.

1235
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: Do you think getting into the Hall of Fame will

1236
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: take some pressure off? Do you think that was weighing

1237
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: on her mind.

1238
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: I think it probably was at the start when I

1239
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: first started caddying four, and I mean i'm speaking for

1240
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: or now. I think it was at the start. Then

1241
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 3: when we won in Orlando, then obviously got beat the

1242
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: falling week in a playoff by Nelly. I think that

1243
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: she maybe felt a kind of a little bit like

1244
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: her chance came and gone. But then I think she

1245
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: said since that like her her mom and her her

1246
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: husband had said to her, like it doesn't really matter

1247
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: about the Hall of Fame. I mean, and that was

1248
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: the thing. Like I like, as you said earlier, like

1249
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: the criteria to get in the LPGA Hall of Fame

1250
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: is insanity. Like I looked at I like every time

1251
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: I would go out there, I'm like, she is a

1252
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Like there's nobody out here that has

1253
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: as many points or whatever it is to get into

1254
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: that Hall of Fame. It's like she is literally a

1255
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. And like I never ever said to her,

1256
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: but I was like, if they change it, you're gonna

1257
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: get in any way. I know you don't want to

1258
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: backdoor it that way, but like they would probably have

1259
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: changed it at some point, and she would have got in.

1260
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: I don't think she would have really have accepted it

1261
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: that way, and she didn't have to. Well she doesn't

1262
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: have to now, but yeah, I think that there probably

1263
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: is a little bit of pressure off. I mean, she

1264
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: could go on a crazy run for you know, the

1265
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 3: rest of this year, twenty seven years old exactly. She's

1266
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: twenty seven, I mean, And that's what I said on Sunday.

1267
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: I was like, it's not like she's thirty seven, and

1268
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: it's like she's forty. It's not like she's like dwindling

1269
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: down and she only has like a year left to play.

1270
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 3: Like she she literally could probably take a if she

1271
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: wanted to, then come back and play again if she

1272
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: really wanted to. I don't think she will. But yeah, no,

1273
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. I haven't really spoke to her

1274
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: over the last couple of days. I've just kind of

1275
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: left her. I mean, I know she was going back

1276
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: to San fran on the Friday morning. I'm back at

1277
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: my parents' house in Scotland, so I've kind of I

1278
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: don't really have the great service and I've just kind

1279
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: of I've just been trying to take it all in.

1280
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 3: But it's absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 2: But yeah.

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00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 3: I mean, she still has a lot of good golf

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00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: to play. I mean, I don't think anybody needs to

1284
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: be worried about her running off into the sunset. Yet.

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00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: Lastly, your goal growing up in Aberdeen, Scotland was to

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Speaker 1: play professional golf.

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Speaker 4: You had those moments like everybody does.

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00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: Where you're a kid and you're hole in a putt

1289
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: to win the Open Championship or stuff like that. It

1290
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: didn't turn out like that for you, but you've now

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00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: been on the bag for two Open Championships at arguably

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00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: that other than maybe true Carnustian, Saint Andrews Okay, Mirfield

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00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: is probably those are the four.

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00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you couldn't script it.

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00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Any better, being from Scotland on the bag to caddy

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00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: and have an Open Championship win at Carnoustie, and then

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Speaker 1: to have one at the home of golf Saint Andrews.

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Speaker 1: Has it sunk in for you personally? Have you allowed

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00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: yourself to kind of congratulate yourself and go, man, this

1300
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: is pretty cool.

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00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: No, And I don't know why, but it's it's almost

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00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. I suppose I take a little bit

1303
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: of the mentality of what I was like as a

1304
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: player and my caddian and it's like, I don't get

1305
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: me wrong, it is very special. I mean they're the

1306
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: two that's probably the only two golf tournaments that the

1307
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 3: women will play that will be anywhere remotely close to

1308
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 3: where I grew up and I play. I played Carnoustie

1309
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: on Monday after Saint Andrew's actually midday and I walked

1310
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: up on the first tea and the starter was like, oh,

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00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: have you played here before? And I was like, yeah,

1312
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: a long time ago. And he's like, well when was that?

1313
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: And I was like it was twenty two years ago

1314
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: in the British Boys. And he's like that's a long

1315
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: time and he's like, oh yeah. And it was actually

1316
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: Anna Nordquist Sea time. She couldn't make it. She was

1317
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 3: going to Boston, her manager set up and he's like,

1318
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: he's like, you've been very lucky. He's like, it was

1319
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: meant to be on an Nordquist that was played today

1320
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, I actually caddied for here

1321
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. When she won. Was like and

1322
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 3: he's like oh, and I was like yeah, so no,

1323
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: I don't and I don't think like a lot of

1324
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: people close to me get annoy you may because I

1325
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: don't ever really take any of the credit for the success,

1326
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: and I don't think that what I do is that difficult,

1327
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: and I just it's just a pleasure to to work

1328
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: for good players. It's a pleasure to watch good golf.

1329
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: And I've just been very, very lucky that I've managed

1330
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: to win probably two of the biggest tournaments in the

1331
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: women's game, basically on my doorstep. I mean, it's pretty neat.

1332
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 3: It is pretty neat.

1333
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Speaker 2: One day.

1334
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm going to sit back when I'm in

1335
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 3: Saint Pete long time from now, and I'll be having

1336
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: a beer and I'll maybe shed a little tear and

1337
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: be excited about it. But I mean, it's like, you

1338
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: know what, it's like, all these all these guys that

1339
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: you work with, It's like once they won one tournament,

1340
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 3: they get to the next. It's like, it's not that

1341
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: they forget about it. But you've got a job to do.

1342
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: You're gonna get the Olympic tattoo.

1343
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: I might do. I might do. Know that. I again,

1344
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: I want not massive proponent for the for the golf

1345
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: and the Olympics, but I'll maybe I'll maybe make an exception.

1346
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, man, you got to do it.

1347
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I probably will. I probably will. That'll be

1348
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: my nice little memento.

1349
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: Well, as much as I know that you wanted to

1350
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: play and we worked pretty hard to try and get

1351
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: you to reach your dreams, I'm proud of you.

1352
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: Man. It's it's been fun to watch.

1353
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: Uh. These moments are special when you're in them, and

1354
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: when you're a part of them, it's hard to to

1355
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: understand what has happened. But we are so lucky to

1356
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: be around great players, to have an opportunity to share

1357
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: in their success, to have an opportunity to be a

1358
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: part of their success. Listen, we all know that, you know,

1359
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: in the world that we live in, they could do

1360
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: it without us. Yeah, right, they are the best players

1361
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: in the world. They could win tournaments, they could win

1362
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: majors without our involvement. But it's also important. It's something

1363
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, my father's always said. Yeah, you know, I

1364
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: look at Tiger's success. He could have done all of

1365
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: this without me. I just know he didn't. And yeah,

1366
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: I think it's it's important to remember that. Yeah, I mean,

1367
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: they can always do it without you. They can always

1368
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: win tournaments. Their talent is amazing. It's great, but they

1369
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: don't do it without you, and you are a part

1370
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: of it. Are you the reason? Hell no, they're the reason, right,

1371
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: we all know they're the reason. But yeah, we do play,

1372
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: and you'd have played an enormous part in the success

1373
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: of both, you know, Anna, But I think Lydia's this year.

1374
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: I think the reset of getting somebody like you on

1375
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: the bag who had some experience of playing, who could

1376
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: make things on the golf course simpler, to make it

1377
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: less pressurized. I'm proud of you, mate, You've done a

1378
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: great job and I think you're going to have more

1379
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 1: continued success and hopefully we'll celebrate with some alcohol soon.

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01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 3: We will, for sure, I'll come down for a lesson.

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: Please please tell me your your mother has overloaded you

1382
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: with square sausage sandwiches and you know, all the good.

1383
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: Stuff Macaroni prize, bridy sausage roles. That's the only thing

1384
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: I missed, because obviously I live in Florida, know, And

1385
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: it's like, that's the only thing I missed, Like just

1386
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: all the all the Scottish crap bakery goods. I like

1387
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: all the savory goods, like even the candy, Like I

1388
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: order iron Brew off Amazon like every week when I'm

1389
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: at home, so iron Brew, I don't really miss that much.

1390
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, all the all the square sausage and

1391
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff.

1392
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 4: It's been good, great to talk to you, mate. We'll

1393
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 4: look forward to seeing you soon. Travel safe.

1394
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: Thanks God.

1395
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: So that was Paul Kormack. And listen for those of

1396
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: you that listen to the pod on a regular basis.

1397
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: I try and talk all the time about minimizing mistakes,

1398
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: playing to your strengths as a player, trying to eliminate

1399
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: the big numbers. And you just heard a guy who's

1400
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: on the bag for Lydia coach. He just won an

1401
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medal. She just won her third major after

1402
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: an eight year drought. He talked a lot about she

1403
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: plays her strengths, she tries to limit the damage and

1404
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: just tries to play smart. And I just think that

1405
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: is something that everyone that's listening can take the heart

1406
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: with their own game. You know, make a good bogie,

1407
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to go for the hero shot. Play

1408
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: to what your strengths are. Know what your strengths are,

1409
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: and that's what the best players in the world do. Yes,

1410
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: they hit better shots than we do. Of course they do.

1411
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: They're the best players in the world, but they also

1412
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: limit the damage. They manage their missues, they manage their

1413
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: mistakes better, and I think Paul did a great job

1414
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: at talking about kind of the process that Lydia goes through.

1415
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: And you know, anytime you can listen to a caddy,

1416
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: that caddy's for a great player that's winning big tournaments,

1417
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: I think it's very unique insight because I think caddies

1418
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: have the best seat for professional golf. They're up close

1419
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: with their player, and I really enjoyed that. I'm proud

1420
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: of Paul. I consider him a friend and a really

1421
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: really cool talk So I want to thank everyone for listening, Rate, review,

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Speaker 1: subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.