1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: of Mini Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: and today on the show Lips the lovely luscious lips 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: of living and extinct animals. Who has the best pout 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: the most perfect kissable lips, from smoochable dinosaurs to some 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: of the toughest lips on the planet, or letting these 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: critters get lippy with us? Discover this more as we 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: answer the angel question, if you have a real long tongue, 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: where do you keep it? Joining me today to rate 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: these lips is producer at iHeartRadio and friend of the show, 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: co host of Ethnically Ambiguous, Anna Huseby. 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Welcome, Hi, thank you for having me Always always fun. 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: I am so so excited for this one because there's 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: big news. Anna. I don't know if you've heard about this. 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: The t Rex. 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: You can kiss t Rex. It's it's canon now scientifically, Cannon. 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you to convince me on this one. 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you won't die. I'm just saying that 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: they have all okay, all right, conced the most dangerous kiss, 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: so our understanding of how dinosaurs look like has changed 21 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: over the years. We once thought they were scaly, brown 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 1: or green, kind of gaunt creatures. They are sometimes scaly. 23 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: We still think that a lot of them were sort 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: of had tough, leathery skin, but we also think that 25 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: they may have been feathery or colorful and maybe not 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: as gaunt as they were once depicted. This habit of 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: reconstructing an animal from fossil records and not including enough fat, muscle, 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: or other soft tissue mass is called shrink wrapping, like 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: you've seen you've seen Jurassic Park. 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where most of my dinosaur knowledge comes from. 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: Really that in Land Before Time. 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, both very scientifically accurate movies. Land Before Time. You 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: know what, Actually I feel like in Land Before Time, 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: the dinosaurs are They've got a certain heft to them 35 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: and a certain chubbiness that I appreciate. 36 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: They're like children. They're like young kids who haven't lost 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: their baby weight yet exactly. 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: They are cute and I like that. I mean, I 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: do think that it is an interesting depiction of dinosaurs 40 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: visually now, of course, like they probably couldn't talk, they 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: probably couldn't go on adventures together, among many different species. 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I would love if that were the case. But yeah, 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: they might have been more plump than we sort of 44 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: envisioned them. Like in Jurassic Park, t Rex is sort 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: of this like very angular, very gaunt creature, very scary looking, 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: and its teeth kind of jet out of it, Like 47 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: even when its mouth is closed, you can still see 48 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: it's teeth jetting out of it. And of course there's 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: not a feather to be seen in any of the 50 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: Jurassic parks. I don't believe so, right, I haven't actually 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: seen the most recent Jurassic parks, but they didn't put 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: any feathers in there, did they? 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean I've seen them all, 54 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: even the ones that get like the very bad ratings 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: from the most recent franchises, and yeah, no, no feathers. 56 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: No feathers. That probably would have made them better. I 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: think it would have been very important plot points. You know, 58 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: Feathery dinosaurs could have been a thing. You could have 59 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: been bold and done feathery dinosaurs. But they didn't, and 60 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: that's why they missed out on an oscar. 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I always say, as well. More feathers, Yeah, 62 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: more feathers. 63 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean, think about it like recent Oscar winners. What 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: do they all have in common? Feathers? So yeah, often 65 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: t rex is depicted with these menacing teeth, similar to 66 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: like the crocodile, where you know, when the crocodile's mouth 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: is closed, you can still see its teeth jutting out. 68 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: Wow, t rexes are kind of ugly. It almost looks 69 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: like they have hair on them, but I think that's 70 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: just texture, right, I think that's just texture. 71 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: I don't know about the evidence for t rexes having 72 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: like it wouldn't be hair, it would be like fine 73 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: feathery down. Potentially there may have been some species of 74 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: t rex like dinosaurs, large dinosaurs that had some sort 75 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: of like basically feathery coating, maybe for warmth, and certainly 76 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: perhaps their offspring had some downy fluff on them as well. 77 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: Maybe when they're younger, when they have less body fat, 78 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: that might have been useful. But yeah, I don't know 79 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: if it is a really settled thing about whether adult 80 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: t rexes had any kind of feathers or not. But 81 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: they do think that they had lips, which means that 82 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: technically they could wear lipstick, which I think you know, 83 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: you said they're ugly, but I feel like you put 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of lipstick on a little bit of highlighter, 85 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: and you know that's a little bit of rouge. Maybe 86 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: some falsies. Then you're you know, look you're working with sulting. Yeah, 87 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: high cheek bones. They've got the bone structure, yeah they do. 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: But it's also unfortunate they have to, you know, sort 89 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: of succumb to like societal beauty standards in order to 90 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: be considered beautiful. It's actually quite sad. I think what 91 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: we're seeing here. 92 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: I think the unrealistic standards for t rexes is a 93 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: shame because I think that they are beautiful even when 94 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: they aren't wearing false eyelashes, and like, you know, I 95 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: think that there should be a whole revamp of the 96 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: whole dinosaur Instagram culture. 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will say, you know, looking at these photos, 98 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: it's interesting that they have lips. But it's like something 99 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: I would have never really thought about, Like I would 100 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: just assume the area around their their mouth where it 101 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: opens is their lips. Yeah, So is like what different 102 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: differentiates that sort of I guess lip area from the 103 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: rest of their I guess exoskeleton, if you will, Like 104 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: what made them be like no, No, they are lips. 105 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I mean, lips are sort 106 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: of a they like. The interesting thing with lips, right, 107 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: is that it is something that in humans and some 108 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: other animals are malleable, right, Like, our lips have this 109 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: fine muscle control and we can move them in this way. 110 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: But that doesn't have to be the case. There are 111 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: plenty of animal that have lips but do not have 112 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: that kind of fine muscle control over them. I think 113 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: that the sort of general definition of lips is just 114 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: like a fleshy projection that covers the teeth. I don't 115 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: know if it needs to be much more than that. 116 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 117 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: The way that researchers determined that t Rex may have 118 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: had these lips covering their teeth is that they actually 119 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: took a tooth from a close relative of the t rex, 120 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: this Plotosaurus, another giant frightening predator that looks very similar 121 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: to the t rex, and they bisected the tooth and 122 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: examined the enamel from the fossil and found that it 123 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: had shockingly little wear and tear. So enamel, when exposed 124 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: to the elements or to coffee, can dissolve and wear overtime. 125 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: And so crocodiles and alligators, the modern day examples of 126 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: an animal who don't got lips and have their teeth 127 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: all sticky out cope with this by replacing their teeth. 128 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: Often they go through thousands of teeth over their lifetime. 129 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: And that's a lot of money from the tooth fairy. 130 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of money. And I did not 131 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: know they were losing teeth left and right. 132 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: They Yeah, it's it's a lot of teeth that they 133 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: go through. But t rex teeth likely took too long 134 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: to grow to be so easily replaceable. That, plus the 135 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: evidence from the t rex's close relative indicates to scientists 136 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: that t rex could have had lips covering their teeth, 137 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: which would have served the purpose of protecting their teeth 138 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: from the elements. I mean, it's an interesting thing, right, 139 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: like why do we have lips? One of the reasons, 140 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: perhaps the key reason originally, is that it helped protect 141 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: our teeth. 142 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was for kissing. 143 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Grow up anna geez or for talking. 144 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: Don't lips do progess the tongue as well, But I 145 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: guess like lips help enunciate certain words. 146 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: But absolutely they absolutely do. They help us talk. They 147 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: help us enunciate kissing, all of these sort of social things, 148 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: But we didn't originally evolve lips to talk. Perhaps lips 149 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: did help, but like we started to evolve much more 150 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: flexible lips in order to be able to have more 151 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: unique vocalizations, right like our primate ancestors, But you know, 152 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: using our lips to really shape sound and stuff, that 153 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: came quite a bit later in our evolutionary history. Okay, 154 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, for the t rex that probably the lips 155 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: that they had were unlikely to be as poudy and 156 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: flexible as human lips are. It was probably just sort 157 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: of a tough, sort of fleshy protuberance that as part 158 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: of their face, probably quite les that covered their teeth 159 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: and protected them from the disintegration of their enamel when 160 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: exposed to the elements. So, I looking honestly at the 161 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: illustration of te rex with lips versus without lips, I 162 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: think with lips it looks like a more serious animal 163 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: for some reason. Without lips with its teeth kind of 164 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: sticking out to me, now, that looks goofy hmm. 165 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like the classic look is teeth out. 166 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like it looks now that I 167 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: see them with the lips on, it looks wrong. Without 168 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: the lips it looks silly. 169 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: It looks like they don't have teeth like them. That 170 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: be like like they lost all their teeth basically, is 171 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: what it looks like with. 172 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: The lips on. 173 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, lips on just looks weird. 174 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Huh No for me, like the lips on makes sense 175 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: to me, And with the with the teeth sticking out 176 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: the teeth it makes me feel It makes me think 177 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: this has sort of like an overbite, and I'm just 178 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: imagining it with braces on and being kind of silly looking. 179 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know, because like 180 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: with the with the lips over it, there's a mystery 181 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: to it, right, like how many teeth do you have? 182 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's being coys, it's a it's a 183 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: mystery until I'm in that mouth getting eaten. To me, 184 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: that's intimidating, Okay. 185 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: I you know, personally, I need to see the teeth 186 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: before I get scared because I'm like, well, what are 187 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: we working with here? You might just be a nice guy, right, 188 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: Teeth always is like if you're showing teeth, oh, I'm 189 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: out of here. Yeah, I'm not interested in seeing your teeth. Okay, 190 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: then I know you mean business. 191 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: This is how we know you wouldn't make a good dentist, 192 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: because as soon as someone comes in your office and 193 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: they show you their teeth, it's like, well, I don't want. 194 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: To see your teeth. I'm out of there. You're out of. 195 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: There, right, So Anna, earlier, we were talking about how 196 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: lips are not just used for protecting teeth. They can 197 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: also be flexible and used to shape sounds. And so 198 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the beluga whales. So are 199 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: you familiar with belugas? 200 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, I am. 201 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: Uh you sound very like it sounds like your best 202 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: friend is like a beluga. 203 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: You were You can't. I mean, they're they're just they're 204 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: very viral animals. I've come across a beluga in my day. 205 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: You know you've dealt with a beluga, believe me. 206 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: I mean, like they're out here. People will be like, 207 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 2: look at this beluga whale playing soccer and you're like, whoa, 208 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: you know, they got like the perfect little head. That's 209 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: like I'm here to play. 210 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 211 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, sound like fun guys. 212 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: They are fun guys. They're actually very interesting because they 213 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: are of the whales, sort of the most expressive and 214 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: like human like whale. One reason is that their neck 215 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: can turn, so they can turn their neck and actually 216 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: look at you in a way that is unusual, Yeah, 217 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: unusual for whales. They also have highly flexible lips, so 218 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: their facial expressions I think are a little more like 219 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: uncannily maybe not exactly human, but they are more human likes. 220 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: So they actually have that curve, Yeah. 221 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: That little sort of like lip curve that makes them 222 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: being like, oh. 223 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: Why, Yeah, they definitely really yeah, they definitely have the 224 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: why kind of look. They are very cute, very kind 225 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: of goofy looking, but quite intelligent. So they use those 226 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: highly flexible lips on their face to suck in prey, 227 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: which is unlike both to the whales. So they kind 228 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: of use their lips as a vacuum, which is really interesting. 229 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: Oh really like yep, yep, they can suck and suck 230 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: their prayer write in h just like they're eating spaghetti. H. 231 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: They also use their lips in social ways. So we 232 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: were earlier we were talking about kissing. Uh, they will 233 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: make mouth to mouth contact with other Belugas in a 234 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: friendly gesture. Now this doesn't necessarily connote any kind of 235 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: like romantic intention. It is just sort of a friendly 236 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: like almost like a handshake, but with. 237 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: Lips, right, they're kind of like, oh. 238 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: Exactly, they're they're very European tree European, you know, like hello, 239 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: and just like greeting you with little little kiss, which, 240 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: trust me, is taking me a little bit to get 241 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: used to. 242 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: H So with all that kissing you're doing over there, 243 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: with all. 244 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: The belugas, I have to kiss in Europe so many so. 245 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: But one of the reasons I wanted to talk about 246 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: belugas is they have a secret set of lips. They 247 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: have phonics located below their blowhole in their air passage, 248 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: so you cannot really see these from the outside. These 249 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: lips are located next to the beluga's flexible melon. So 250 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: the melon is this fatty ball in their forehead that 251 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: the beluga can change the shape of using muscles, which 252 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: can change the shape of sounds that the beluga makes. 253 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: So you know how that beluga has that kind of 254 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: like lumpy, fatty forehead. It looks cute, it looks squishy, 255 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: It is cute and squishy, and then these phonic lips 256 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: that are in its air passage way can kind of 257 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: work similar to human lips and shape the sound that 258 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: the beluga makes, and in fact, it is so good 259 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: at doing this that it can somewhat mimic human sound. 260 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: And it is so there is this really wild story 261 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: from the seventies about a beluga whil that seemed to 262 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: be able to mimic human speech. Kay, as most animal 263 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: stories start off, it happened with a Navy kidnapping. So 264 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies, the Navies, the Navy kidnapped Belugas 265 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: from the Arctic. Uh. Some were so young that they 266 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: spent most of their life in the Navy's care, which 267 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: was the case for a calf named Knock. So the 268 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: Navy had this whole like pipe dream where they were 269 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: training Belugas for surveillance. So they kidnapped a. 270 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: Bit I do recall this. 271 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they like kidnapped a bunch of like baby 272 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: Belugas and then we're training them for military purposes. I 273 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: think Belugas are still used by various countries for military usage, 274 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: which for me is like yeah, yeah exactly for me 275 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: as a pacifist and someone who cares for belugas, not 276 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: a big fan, but Knock spent so much time with 277 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: trainers that he may have started to see them as 278 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: his family. There is a recording made of Knock seemingly 279 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: trying to mimic human speech. So there are no real 280 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: words being spoken, just a mimicry of the general sound 281 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: and cadence of a human conversation happening. So I'm gonna 282 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: play this for you. Okay, here is the sound of 283 00:17:31,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Knock the beluga seemingly mimicking human speech. So why do 284 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: you think ana does that sound like a person? Isn't 285 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: that crazy? Yeah? 286 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: Crazy? 287 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? So there's no words there, right, but his cadence, 288 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: frequency and patterns seem to match human speech. And they 289 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: actually sort of tried to break it down and like 290 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: break down the timing of it and make sure that 291 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: it's not just that we kind of think it sounds 292 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: like human speech, but that it's the frequency, these patterns 293 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: that it has certain like vocal patterns that are very 294 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: similar to human speech. So obviously it's really hard with 295 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: like a sample size of one traumatized beluga to like 296 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: really do a study of like is this bluca actually 297 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: trying to mimic human sounds? It's it's hard to know, 298 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's such a it is a 299 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: really strange sound. I don't know how we could study 300 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: this without being highly unethical, because then you would what 301 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: would you do, like kidnap ar baby whales, Like I 302 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't want that to happen, So. 303 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: Then put them in a room together and be like talk. 304 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so it seems like the Navy gave this beluga. 305 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: I mean, if this is really the beluga trying to 306 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: mimic human speech, maybe this beluga basically had like Stockholm syndrome, 307 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: identified with its captors, loved its human captors. In fact, 308 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: there's evidence of this. Uh Knock was once released from 309 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: captivity by animal rights activists and he swam outside for 310 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: a bit, but then just of his own volition like 311 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: returned to his captors because he just, you know, it's 312 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: like his human family. He's never known anything else. He's 313 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: never like gotten the experience of living with other belugas. 314 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: So the I don't know, the fact that he may 315 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: have been trying to mimic the sound of his captors 316 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: is like, this is a really disturbing story to me 317 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: because it's like he's trying to communicate with people who 318 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: he can never really communicate with No, and. 319 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: He's trying to be like, eh, can I go? They 320 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: didn't mind if I get out of here? Yeah, no 321 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: big deal, I'll stay. I'll stay. But I just yeah, 322 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm a family of friends. Yeah, they're like shut up, bluga, but. 323 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like imagine if you were kidnapped by aliens and 324 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: they are making sounds, right, like weird sounds, and so 325 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: you try to like mimic the sounds that the aliens 326 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: are making to try to communicate with them, and they're 327 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: just like, wow, look at that cute human. I'm sure 328 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: that they don't crave other human interaction anyways. 329 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: I mean I have like no, I mean, it's just 330 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: so sad when it's what it's put trade and like 331 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: a lie where you're like the Beluca's like alp elp, 332 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: Like it's just so sad. 333 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: I know, I know it's sad, and it's like haunting 334 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: kind of. It's like seems like he's like desperate to 335 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: bridge this communication. 336 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: Yes, but he's yeah, it's like why is he Why 337 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: is he trying to talk to us? Probably because he's 338 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: trying to be like, get me the heck out of here. 339 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: I'm not who you think I am. 340 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I almost think it's something almost sadder, like, 341 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he can even imagine a life outside 342 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: of captivity. I think he's just desperate for communication, because 343 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: Blucas can communicate with each other and understand each other, 344 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: right like. They it's not it's a you know, it's 345 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: not like a human language, right like where words have 346 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: specific meanings. But Wales often have like calls that kind 347 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: of identify themselves, and they can certainly like they can 348 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: understand sort of the calls and the meaning of these calls. 349 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: And so for this very intelligent creature to be in 350 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: this situation where it's like all it's ever known is humans. 351 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: And sure there were other Belugas, like maybe one other 352 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: beluga that it would interact with, but it's another captive Belugas. 353 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: So neither of them have any experience with Beluga culture. 354 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: Because I feel like animals do have culture. They can 355 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: teach and pass on knowledge to each other, and so 356 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: it's it's a form of culture, and so they don't 357 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: have any of that. And so with Knok, he's just 358 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: trying to communicate to the only family that he's ever known. 359 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: But he can never he can never fully make himself 360 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: understood or understand what the people are saying. It's really tragic. 361 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: That's so sad. 362 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: It's really sad. Well boy, Okay, so a little upper 363 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: here is talking about camels getting lip fillers, So. 364 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: Okay, go on, I'm intrigued. 365 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: So camels camel lips are really interesting. They have three 366 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: lips sort of, so they have this flexible lower lip 367 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: and a cleft upper lip. So I don't know, I 368 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: feel like it's it's kind of a technicality of them 369 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: having sort of three lips. But yeah, they have the 370 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: lower lip this upper lip, and they're highly flexible. But 371 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: they are also very thick and strong, and they use 372 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: this to eat anything from thorny bushes to cactuses, Like 373 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: camel can literally chow down on a cactus like it's 374 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: no problem. 375 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I have a very clear vision 376 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: of camel's chewing their live Yes, m I'm sorry for 377 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: all the people who have mesophonia, this is not the 378 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 2: episode for you now. 379 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: I also am sorry that nobody got to see you 380 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: doing the camel chew because it was. 381 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 2: Isn't it like that? 382 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: It is very much like that, and there's there's some 383 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: like side to side job motion to. 384 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: Like yeah, ah, wow wow, and you're like, wow, it 385 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: is that camel is chewing? 386 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And if you don't have misophonia, the sort 387 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: of high displeasure at hearing mouth sounds, you can check 388 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: out videos of camels eating cactuses and it's not gory 389 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: or anything because they're fine. Inside the camel mouth, they have, 390 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: uh these conical papillis, so papilla are these rigid bumps, uh, 391 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: And these bumps actually protect their mouth from thorns by 392 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: redirecting the thorns so that they're pointing down in parallel 393 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: to the camel's uh esophagus. So like uh, like if 394 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: you have imagine you have like a bunch of like 395 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, thorns or sticks or something, and if you 396 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: just like sort of push them on a smooth surface, 397 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: they can go in various directions. But if you push 398 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: them on a grooved surface, there going to go in 399 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: the direction of the grooves. And that's how the camel's 400 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: mouth works and so that it can swallow these thorns 401 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: and have them go down safely down their esophagus. I 402 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: don't recommend trying this as a human. It's not gonna 403 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: work out for you. In fact, camel lips are so 404 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: important for their ability to eat that thick lips are 405 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: a sign of good breeding, like good health and a 406 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: camel in domesticated camels, which is so important that some 407 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: camel breeders will inject their camel's lips with botox to 408 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: make their lips look bigger. So injecting botox relaxes the 409 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: muscles compressing the lips, and so it makes their lips 410 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: much powdier. And so this is the huge juicing scandal 411 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: in camel contests. You're injecting your camel's lips with botox 412 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: when you're doing like show camels. It's a big scandal 413 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: if someone's found to be doing bowts into their camel's 414 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: lips to make their camel lips seem bigger. 415 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: Wow, I'm looking at photos of inside a camel's mouth. Weird, 416 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna say about that. Weird, an odd thing 417 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: to look at. 418 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, camels are really interesting. We 419 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: have a whole episode actually on camels that we did. 420 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: But like, uh, they when you get up close to 421 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: the camel though more and more strange they seem, I 422 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: think is but like the inside of the mouth is weird. 423 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: The teeth are big and strange, the chewing, the heavy eyelids, 424 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: they are just, I mean, honestly, runway ready animals. 425 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: That's interesting you say it that way, runway ready. Uh, 426 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if I like, I mean, 427 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 2: I'm glad they could eat anything, but like, I don't know, 428 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: I don't know about any of this. 429 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: You don't know about the whole cactus chewing thing. It 430 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: is It is an unpl like I'll put it this way. 431 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: It's a bit of an unpleasant experience to watch them 432 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: eating a cactus, just because it looks like it should 433 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: be painful. Yeah, it does not look like a good situation. Uh, 434 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I mean, but they're fine, which blows 435 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: my mind. It does not look like something you should 436 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: be able to chew and eat with ease. Like obviously 437 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: you can eat cactus right like in like people eat cactus, 438 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: but we get rid of the thorns. We take the 439 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: thorns off. That's a very important part of eating the cactus. Like, 440 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: but eating the cactus with thorns and the sound it's 441 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: making as these thorns are getting crunched and swallowed is 442 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: it's something. It's a type of ASMR. 443 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: I guess, I get literally, I guess because I have 444 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: no idea, but yeah, just see it seems so rough. 445 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's but they're fine with it. I think 446 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 1: they're probably less fine with getting botox injections into their lips. 447 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: You know. Again, we were talking earlier about unrealistic beauty 448 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: standards for dinosaurs, and I feel like camels are now 449 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: suffering from sort of the Instagram culture of like, hey, 450 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: everyone's got to have certain type of lips, certain type 451 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: of look. Just leave those camels alone. 452 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, unless you know what, I don't want to 453 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 2: judge them. 454 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, if the camels themselves wanted to get botox injections, 455 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: I'd be fine with that. It's the fact that camel 456 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: breeders are giving them the botox injections. If a camel, 457 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: if a self empowered camel walks into like the plastic 458 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: surgeon's office, it's like, give me an extra hump and 459 00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: some lip pillars, like a hump hump modification. I'm cool 460 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: with that. If camels want to do whatever they want 461 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: with their bodies. But but it's the camel breeders that 462 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: are doing or like telling the camels like, hey, your 463 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: lips aren't good enough. We gotta we gotta do some 464 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: work on you. That's what bothers me. 465 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: That is incredibly sad. 466 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm there's always a new 467 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: at like a new sort of like very specific controversy 468 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: based on a very specific sort of hobbyist thing like 469 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: camel competitions that I I love learning about incredible controversies 470 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: for a type of competition that I didn't even really understand. 471 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: Before camel competitions. 472 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I mean it makes sense. I 473 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: think that we sort of show off and compete every 474 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: animal we've domesticated, right, Like I think there are cats shows, 475 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: right like you know there's dog shows, but I think 476 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: there's also like catch, which I can't imagine. The cats 477 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: are very compliant with being shown at a cat show. 478 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: No, I feel like a cat show is like the 479 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: most highly trained cats you'll ever see her. 480 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: Because what I had a cat named Metts, and if 481 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: I tried to take her to a cat show, everyone 482 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: would be missing at least one layer of skin shredded. 483 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: If I took my cat to a cat show, I 484 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: don't think i'd have a cat anymore. I think he'd 485 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: run away. 486 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you'd have a face anymore. 487 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: No. 488 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: No, So now we are going to talk about another 489 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: animal with fantastic lips. This is the tubelipped nectar bat. 490 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: It is a bat found in Ecuador with an incredible 491 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: pair of lips and a tongue that just goes on 492 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: for days. So this is a small bat which has 493 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: the longest tongue to body ratio of any mammal, with 494 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: a three inch or eight point five centimeters tongue that 495 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: is one and a half times the length of its body. 496 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: So where do you think you put a tongue this 497 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: long in an animal? Right? Like cause like its head, 498 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty small. Like where does this tongue go? Oh? 499 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: Boy, that is a good question. Where is there like 500 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: a like a sort of like almost like a fruit 501 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: roll up Like it just goes, you know, like it 502 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: just rolls back up and then come like it almost 503 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: unrolls when I eat it. 504 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: I love that. I wish that were the case. 505 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 506 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: It is actually located in its thorax, so the tongue 507 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: recoils all the way back into its thorax to accommodate 508 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: its length. It'd be like if our tongue started in 509 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: our chest. Uh, and then we could sort of use 510 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: there's this hyoid bone that it uses to be able 511 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: to eject the tongue out of its out of its 512 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: chest up it's esavagus, and then finally out of its mouth. 513 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: There might be some sort of tongue compression that's happening. 514 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: It's not exactly like a fruit roll up, but there 515 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: might be some sort of tongue compression happening inside of 516 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: its body. But yeah, it's because it's it has the 517 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: tongue that starts like in its chest, which is you 518 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: know that it's that's a quite quite a French kisser. 519 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: I gotta say, wow, I don't even understand. 520 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna think too much about 521 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: what i just said. But yeah, so it uh eats 522 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: pullen and insects, but it also uses this incredible tongue 523 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: to sip nectar. So the tongue has these long papillae. 524 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: We talked about papillae earlier. So papilla are just like 525 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: any kind of like bump fleshy protrusion, and it has 526 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: these long papillo that act as a mop for the nectar. 527 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: So uh, the the these papillai will like dip into 528 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: the nectar and kind of help using sort of the 529 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: liquid tension and stuff in a surface area will help 530 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: sop up the water. So the reason I'm talking about 531 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: this bat on a lip themed podcast is that the 532 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: or lip themed episode We're not always going to talk 533 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: about lips on this podcast, is that the lower jaw 534 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: has lips that extend far past it, thus giving it 535 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: the name the tube lipped nectar bat. Like, if you 536 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: look at an image of this guy, it's got these 537 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: lower lips that just jet way out. 538 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: Okay, yuh weird, that's a weird one he's got. 539 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: You know, like the thing that car tunes do where 540 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: they like uh strum their lower lip with their finger 541 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: or something to make that like noise. This guy could 542 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: do that so good. 543 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: He this is an underbite if I've ever seen one. 544 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: It's an underlip, which is something I've never seen before, 545 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: because like it's jaws in the right place, but its 546 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: lip goes right. It's just it's like the lip is 547 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: trying to leave the bat. 548 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: Or I can't I can't even explain why I'm looking 549 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: at He's just just like, hey, yeah, he does guy 550 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: feel like that's how he would talk, because well, you'd 551 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: be like. 552 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: A little bit of a he's got a little bit 553 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: of a what. 554 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got like a Marlin. Yes, is sort of 555 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: like a Marlin. What's going on? Like I assume he 556 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 2: would talk like that, like you'd be like. 557 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: Me, let me get this real quick, and then this 558 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: very long tongue. Yeah. No, he's definitely a Marlon Brando bat. Uh. 559 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: And so that's lower this if you did a side 560 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: by side right saying, I'm gonna google marw. 561 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 2: You gotta google Marlon Brando. Godfather though, because Godfather he 562 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 2: does actually have That's what I'm saying. 563 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: He does like when he's young, he does have quite 564 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: plump lips. Actually Father Godfather. Yeah no, he's the lower 565 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: lip of the Godfather. Like look what they Look what 566 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: they've done my boy? Maybe by Yeah, there's a yeah. 567 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: So this bat definitely Marlon Brando vibes. And that lower 568 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: lip that is sort of this tube like projection helps 569 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: catch the nectar as the tongue SOPs it up and retracts. 570 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: So it's got this of like the tongue comes in 571 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: and there's basically this lip that's acting like a cup 572 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: to help catch the nectar, and then it is able 573 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: to drink this nectar, and it is able to pollinate 574 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: highly specialized flowers with very deep pitchers containing nectar. So 575 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: only this bat with its really long tongue and weird 576 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: lip can reach the nectar and soap it up, can 577 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: reach the nectar and drink it up. And so as 578 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 1: it's doing this, the pollen of the flower dusts its 579 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: head and will allow it to go and pollinate other 580 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: flowers of the same species. So it's this really interesting 581 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: example of coevolution of this bat and this flower where 582 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: only this bat can reach the nectar of the flower, 583 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: and the flower has evolved for that to happen so 584 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: that this bat becomes the personal corrier of the flowers 585 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: pollen and takes that to other flower species. So it's 586 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: kind of like a I don't know, what would you 587 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: call someone who like facilitates romance between two people, Like a. 588 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: Matchmaker, Yeah, a matchmaker. 589 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: But then you're but it's a match maker, a romance, 590 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: a romance. Heer, I like that I made that up. 591 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: It's a good word though, but it's sort of more 592 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: like if you had to go between for someone to 593 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: like collect someone's reproductive genetic material and then bring it 594 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: to you. So, I don't know what you'd call that person. 595 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 2: A romance heer, a thief, a thief if he's stealing 596 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: genetic material, I don't know, a romance her, or like 597 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: a sperm corrier, yeah, like a yeah, I don't know, 598 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: like a genetic I gotta think of. 599 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: A genetic genes. Well, uh yeah, there's surprisingly another animal 600 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: called a tubelip, but this is the tubelipped rass. So 601 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: the tubelipped rass is a small, oblong, purple and yellow 602 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: fish that has a set of glossy, well hydrated, luscious lips. 603 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, this fish, they are this fish has had Here's 604 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 2: the thing. This fish has had injectables. 605 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, look, I I'm not gonna say it hasn't, 606 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: like because I just learned that camels get lip injections, 607 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: so why not a fish. So this is found in. 608 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 2: This fish is pouting at me. 609 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: It's pouting. It's it's a pout. It's like a it's 610 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: what I mean, maybe it's still popular. But what used 611 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: to be very popular to do in photos where you 612 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: stick your lips out, sort of the duck face kind 613 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: of thing. But this fish is doing it. It's back 614 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six doing serious duckface. So it 615 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: is found in the Indian Ocean and Western Pacific. And 616 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: the tube blipped rass uses its powdy lips to eat 617 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: dangerous stinging coral. So the coral they eat is covered 618 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: in stinging cells. So the tublip rass uses these instagrammable 619 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: lips that are covered in mucus with layered membranes, and 620 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: they press their lips against the coral in a kiss 621 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: and then suck the flesh of the coral up. So 622 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, they're also good kissers, these fish. 623 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that. 624 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: It's just I mean, come on, So researchers believe that 625 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: the unique structure of the lips and the high amount 626 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: of mucus helps protect the fish from the coral stinging cells. So, 627 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, just these glossy, mucusy lips that they press 628 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: onto the coral and then suck the flesh off of 629 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: the coral. I don't know what to tell you. These 630 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: fish are sort of flirtatious with this coral while also 631 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: eating it. 632 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: There is such a pout going on here. Yes, I 633 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 2: don't even know what to think. 634 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's overdoing it a little. But you know 635 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: what I mean? 636 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, I guess are you coming for this 637 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 2: poor fish? 638 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying I'm not like these other 639 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: fish that pout to get whatever they want from stinging coral. 640 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: Is all I'm saying. I'm not like the other fish. 641 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 2: Wow, m you've changed. 642 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: I've become so judgmental of fish's lifestyle choices. 643 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 2: I'm seeing that now. 644 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: Well, Anna, before we go, we gotta play a little 645 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: game called the Mystery Animal Sound game. Guess who's squawking? 646 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: Every week I play a mystery animal sound and you, 647 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: the listener, and you the guests, try to guess who 648 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: is making that sound. Last week's mystery animal sound. Hint, 649 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: if you've got happy feet, this is not a sound 650 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: you want to hear. So Anna, can you guess he 651 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 1: was making that sound? Again? The hint is, if you've 652 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,959 Speaker 1: got happy feet, this is not a sound you want 653 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: to hear. 654 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,720 Speaker 2: Is that an orca? 655 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: Oh that's a really interesting guess, very very close. Congratulations 656 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: to Will p, Anti Bee and Joey p who all 657 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: gets correctly. This is actually the leopard seal, a very 658 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: deadly predator of penguins. So like the orca. It is 659 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: a serial killer. The leopard seal grows up to around 660 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: eleven feet or three point five meters and with loads 661 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: of sharp teeth. The leopard seal is no joke. It 662 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: is a very, I would say, quite a scary, intimidating 663 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: looking seal. They will happily eat anything from penguins, seabirds, fish, 664 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: smaller species of seal, and even krill that they can 665 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: filter through their interlocking teeth. So the vocalizations are often 666 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: used by males in the breeding season to attract a mate, 667 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: and they will hang upside down in the water and 668 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: make this call in the hopes of attracting a female. 669 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: H But if I saw one of these things, just 670 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: like this eleven foot seal, with this mouthful of teeth, 671 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: these beaty predator eyes, hanging upside down and making this call, 672 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: I would assume it is calling for the devil to 673 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: come and take my soul. Yeah. 674 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 2: I don't like that. It was when it sounds like 675 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 2: it could be like talking to space. 676 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 677 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 2: Don't like that. 678 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, I like that. It's a good rule 679 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: in general. If it sounds like it's talking to space, 680 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: get out of there. 681 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thanks. 682 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: No, thank you, onto this week's mystery animal sound. The 683 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: hint don't call this great animal a peasant, so Anna, 684 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: do you have any guesses? 685 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 2: What was the clue? 686 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: Again? Don't call this great animal a peasant. 687 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 2: So it's not a peasant. 688 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: Huh, it's a little bit obscure. It's a bit of 689 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: a tough one. Can you guess sort of the type 690 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: of animal that it is? 691 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean a bird. I'm a type of bird. 692 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: Interesting, I will actually give you that. Yes, it is 693 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: a type of bird. So that's an extra hint for y'all. 694 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 2: Love. I'm going based off the sort of peasant clue 695 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 2: and it's in that sort of family. But like he 696 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 2: doesn't like to be confused for a peasant. 697 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: Interesting, very interesting guesses. Well, if you out there, sorry, 698 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: did you have another? 699 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 2: No? 700 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: Let? Well, if you out there think you know who 701 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: is making that sound, you can write to me at 702 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: Creature Featurepod at gmail dot com. You can also write 703 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: any questions you have, any cute animal pictures, whatever you 704 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: want or like topic suggestions kinda. 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