WEBVTT - I Beg Your Pardon?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty two of native

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host, Tiffany Cross, the gorgeous Anger Will Ride,

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<v Speaker 1>the handsome Dell Andrew Andrew Gillman is not thrown a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of shade today.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't not tell me I look lubricated. I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you look good, moist Ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I was giving Andrew like oils, you know, our oils

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<v Speaker 1>that we used. I was giving them for every.

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<v Speaker 3>Oil, every oil I put on, palm all of I

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<v Speaker 3>put onurgent.

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<v Speaker 4>And take that out because y'all have not endorsed them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they ain't get no free every sounds like he

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<v Speaker 1>was I think he was saying palm oil.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Lord, Lord, that's a branch.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but

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<v Speaker 1>Angela joined us a little party because you were interviewing someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I say, can we talk about it?

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<v Speaker 4>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Nanda was interviewing the governor of Pennsylvania this morning

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<v Speaker 1>for the Breakfast Club, which I'm looking forward to tuning

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<v Speaker 1>into that interview. As you know, Pennsylvania is a swing state.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give us anything about the interview?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I had a great question that came from our

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<v Speaker 5>dear sister Tiffany Cross, and I got to tie in

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<v Speaker 5>my favorite sitcom right now, Abbot Elementary.

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<v Speaker 4>So shout out to you that.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to Quincy Brentson, and shout out to you

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<v Speaker 1>doing the interview. But anyway, do we know when it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna air?

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<v Speaker 5>I hope by the time this podcast drops, I will

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<v Speaker 5>tell you. Andrew and I were talking on side. I

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<v Speaker 5>think he definitely has an it factor that's missing.

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<v Speaker 3>From the are we able to name check him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Governor Shapiro. We didn't say that, sorry, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, No. I think I think he has what

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<v Speaker 3>it takes to go all the way if he if

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<v Speaker 3>he chooses, and obviously he's got to continue to do

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<v Speaker 3>a good job at the job that he has. But

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<v Speaker 3>assuming that all works, I think the guy has really strong,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully aspirations toward toward toward the White House.

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to see you guys on a ticket.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh lord, this well anyway to the point, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>to the point, he's got a very he's got a

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<v Speaker 3>very very state.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like you to address point a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a big as the question that h that

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<v Speaker 3>that has to balance. No, listen, y'all, he's got to

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<v Speaker 3>balance a lot of different demographics. And I actually think

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<v Speaker 3>you presented a fact before that I didn't know, which

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<v Speaker 3>was that the majority of insurrectionist who participated in the

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<v Speaker 3>January sixth attacks on the US Capitol. You brought it up,

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<v Speaker 3>you're right, but you brought it up before this. That's

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<v Speaker 3>that says something, y'all, that this democratic governor was able

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<v Speaker 3>to compete there. Yeah, when in the same cycle that

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<v Speaker 3>that uh, Joe Biden was able to pull that state,

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<v Speaker 3>and hopefully they'll be able to work together to pull

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<v Speaker 3>another miracle out of Pensylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see, we'll see. We'll stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 5>But I just want to note that you still so

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<v Speaker 5>now when people I just want you guys to know this.

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<v Speaker 5>When you guys get mad that I cut Andrew off,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm always on his case.

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<v Speaker 4>You see. He won't answer my question.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, honestly, as a lot of the comments always talk

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<v Speaker 1>about you running. When are you going to run again?

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about this a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's a good thing that that's not one of

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<v Speaker 3>today's topics.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, let's get to today's comics then, rude anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Andrew, you wanted to get to this week's topics. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't be the top of mine. I beg your pardon.

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<v Speaker 4>I said he doesn't want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I beg you what Trump to say to Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>I've planned that yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>I was ready. I wasn't ready, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You anyway, but he better not. We'll get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be the first topic we get into.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to be clear, I want people to understand

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about the thirty four counts he was

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<v Speaker 1>just found guilty though their state charges, Biden cannot issue

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<v Speaker 1>a part in there. We're talking about the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the charges, the federal charges that he faces. Also, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get into this. Can he even vote because

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<v Speaker 1>he's a convicted felon?

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<v Speaker 3>Now, well, he's a convicted felon who lives in the

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<v Speaker 3>state of Florida some of the most restricted voting rights.

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<v Speaker 1>We should talk about that. I wanted to get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of folks getting arrested, I know by now

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<v Speaker 1>everyone has seen the guy driving with the suspended license

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<v Speaker 1>zoomed into court. And yes, I laughed attitude. But Angela,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you say this is no laughing matter.

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<v Speaker 5>I laughed first too, But I guess there's some other

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<v Speaker 5>there are some other things that we need to discuss

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<v Speaker 5>this result.

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<v Speaker 1>Were it well, Angela like dug into it, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly didn't. I just looked at the video and

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<v Speaker 1>moved past it. But there's apparently a backstory. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell us about that. What it happened was, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear about that, But you guys know,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to throw it back before we toss it forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is my two lettle listen, get

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<v Speaker 1>your minds out the gutter. That wasn't a double onside

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<v Speaker 1>there wait a minute, But when we haven't said any words, Andrew, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think once upon a time and a debate, you said

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<v Speaker 5>a hit dog. Well yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, do you guys know.

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<v Speaker 1>On June sixth in nineteen eighty four, Tetris wasn't vincent?

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<v Speaker 1>This is yes, yes, this is it was like super popular.

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<v Speaker 1>It was super popular nineteen eighty four. It was super

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<v Speaker 1>popular the roads kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you know that's true. We just shouting out brands

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<v Speaker 4>they haven't sponsored us.

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<v Speaker 3>Well maybe this would be an okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, anyway, it was popular among kids in Texas and Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I even finished.

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<v Speaker 4>She met Tetris.

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<v Speaker 1>That happens when you throw it back too far, your

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<v Speaker 1>words too hard, moving past it, you know, you see, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm moving past it. The other thing there. I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are going to be disappointed because

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about sports on this show. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to disappoint my sports fans. On this day.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty six, the National Basketball Association was founded

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<v Speaker 1>on June sixth, nineteen forty six. So that's my little

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<v Speaker 1>sports as a sports expert. That's my little sports knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking of basketball, now that we do it back, Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>make like a Jason Tatum and dust that beat on us.

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<v Speaker 1>I got all my sport for everss today.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, guys, very well researched.

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<v Speaker 6>Had I been President Biden when the Justice Department brought

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<v Speaker 6>an indictment, so I would have immediately pardoned him. I

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<v Speaker 6>had to pardon President Trump. Why oh, because it makes

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<v Speaker 6>me President Biden the big guy and the person I

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<v Speaker 6>pardoned the little guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh please?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this our viewers know. That was Senator Mitt Romney,

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican senator from Utah, in conversation on one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sunday shows giving his recommendations on Biden. Honestly, Angeliae

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that we talk about this. I didn't even think

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<v Speaker 1>this was a question. I knew that the right had

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<v Speaker 1>been saying this. I don't understand it. And just a reminder,

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<v Speaker 1>I know we said this in the open, but just again,

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<v Speaker 1>the president cannot pardon Donald Trump from any state charges either.

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<v Speaker 1>Are just the federal charges, not the criminal charges that

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<v Speaker 1>he was just found guilty of we'll see about sentencing

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<v Speaker 1>with that, but the remaining federal charges, do any of

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<v Speaker 1>us think that Biden should offer a pardon?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, before we do this, because we were just talking

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<v Speaker 5>about poles last week. I want to just do a

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<v Speaker 5>focused group pole really quick, and I want you guys

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<v Speaker 5>to tell me yes or no. If Mitt Romney would

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<v Speaker 5>have won the twenty twelve election and Obama was charged,

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<v Speaker 5>do we think that Mitt Romney would.

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<v Speaker 4>Have pardoned Barack Obama?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know because I do find that of the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican bunch, Mitt Romney is certainly problematic, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>like ignorant to a lot of issues. I don't find

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<v Speaker 1>him to be a malicious person. I think he's truly

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant to a lot of our issues. So you hear, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Let's keep going.

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<v Speaker 5>Do we think that if Hillary Clinton would have been

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<v Speaker 5>charged when Donald Trump won in twenty sixteen, that he

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<v Speaker 5>would have pardoned Hillary Clinton?

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<v Speaker 1>Donald say, Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 4>Would Donald Trump have pardoned Hillary Clinton?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not? Okay, he would have brought back public hangings

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<v Speaker 1>on the White House.

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<v Speaker 4>Lawn, Okay. And then if.

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump would have been charged under a Barack Obama administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we think that Barack Obama would have partnered on

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<v Speaker 1>now that is possible. I think that's a yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely would have.

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<v Speaker 4>But this is where I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 5>Here is my thing and my biggest issue, my biggest

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<v Speaker 5>gripe right now with the Democratic Party. We do not

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<v Speaker 5>take hard lines on in the sand for like righteousness.

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<v Speaker 5>There's still this this this pull to want to win

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<v Speaker 5>people over and to demonstrate that we can be the

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<v Speaker 5>party of civility and you know, the one that galvanizes everyone,

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<v Speaker 5>and I actually really respect that that's a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>However, I think there are some moments, like.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know right now, the middle of a political war,

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<v Speaker 5>where that has to kind of go by the wayside.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that what you're seeing mostly from Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 5>is someone who harkens back to the days where he

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<v Speaker 5>could sit down and have lunch with strong thermat you know,

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<v Speaker 5>where he could you know, we've been.

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<v Speaker 4>In in the Obama administration where he could.

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<v Speaker 5>The beer some where they could do all these things

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<v Speaker 5>where they remember goodness and they could find something to

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<v Speaker 5>hang their hats on about why we are great uniters

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<v Speaker 5>and not dividers, and I think they're constantly trying to

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<v Speaker 5>prove that at our own, at our expense, and that

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<v Speaker 5>is one of the This is why I think that

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<v Speaker 5>it is highly likely that Joe Biden would pardon Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>So I follow you and agree with you up to

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<v Speaker 3>this point, which is that grace it seems from Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>tends to only extend to Republicans. Yes, the same grace

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<v Speaker 3>that we would extend to a Donald Trump, who is now,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, hard as a criminal, we would not extend

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<v Speaker 3>to Democratic former political leaders or political leaders. And the

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<v Speaker 3>sake of well, I mean, yeah, we do dot this,

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<v Speaker 3>but I want to dot dot dot it a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit later on as we dive into some of this

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<v Speaker 3>voting right stuff. But the grace or the magnanimity of

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<v Speaker 3>it right you can look bigger because you've gotten the

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<v Speaker 3>smaller guy out, only seems to apply to folks who

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<v Speaker 3>are on the politically opposite side. And for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for me, I just feel like you don't dance with

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<v Speaker 3>the people who brought you to the event. You whisper

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<v Speaker 3>your favor in their direction, yet you do nothing declarative

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<v Speaker 3>when you're in the position to make a difference. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't do anything to make a difference. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>agree with your point that that it's largely going to

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<v Speaker 3>be Democrats who act in that way and Republicans will

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<v Speaker 3>act in that way, except only for Republicans. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the difference in the I think in the two parties

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<v Speaker 3>is that, yeah, Ford would would grant Nixon a pardon.

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<v Speaker 3>But now we're calling on the Democrat president to preemptively presume,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, one would presume Trump has not asked for this, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>has he not asked? But there's been no trial, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so so we're already getting out before the putting the

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<v Speaker 3>cart before the horse does.

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<v Speaker 5>He pardoned people who weren't tried yet, So that's not

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<v Speaker 5>uncanny for.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 3>look at the ways in which we are willing to

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<v Speaker 3>bend ourselves backwards, upside down, recontort in every single way,

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<v Speaker 3>and guess what, we don't even find it a hard

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<v Speaker 3>job to do when it comes to.

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<v Speaker 6>For a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But this wasn't a question on Angelo's pole. But would

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<v Speaker 1>Trump even ask, would you humble himself to ask? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even.

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<v Speaker 4>Think that he would. I don't even think it would

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<v Speaker 4>come across as a humble ask.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he would be like, you know, in our history,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, elected leaders are pardoned. This is what should happen.

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<v Speaker 5>This is what happened with Richard Nixon. He's proactively pardoned.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't think that it's you know, I think

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<v Speaker 5>that in his mind he can't believe that he was

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<v Speaker 5>even tried, right, honestly guilty, certainly not.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's threatening us, to be honest with you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this week, he was being interviewed by somebody and

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<v Speaker 1>he gave sound like there is a breaking point, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>about him potentially serving jail time, which yes, I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>like how would a president, a former president serve jail?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but like the Secret Service would have to go, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve hours, his.

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<v Speaker 1>Prison sentence would be a lot more comfortable than most

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<v Speaker 1>of the prison population in this country. But I think,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I don't take these things as hyperbolic. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is a whistle to his followers of

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<v Speaker 1>if they try to send me to jail, y'all know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. And that is something that's very concerning.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it about house arrests.

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<v Speaker 5>He was like, my followers will not even like they

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<v Speaker 5>won't appreciate me being put on house arrests.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, how do we have a system that is supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be treating all men women equal under law? Right,

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<v Speaker 3>That's what everyone is expousing, including Mitt Romney. We're all

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<v Speaker 3>equal under the law except when it comes to and

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<v Speaker 3>the judge he even did this, I have to say,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was a disappointing day when I heard him

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<v Speaker 3>say it, like, you keep going against my gag order.

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<v Speaker 3>But it is. It is troubling to me. It brings

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<v Speaker 3>me great pain to have to consider putting you in

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<v Speaker 3>jail as a consequence. Now, if you or I had

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<v Speaker 3>done it, it would have been a completely different story.

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<v Speaker 3>And I understand the dynamics of a former president, But

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<v Speaker 3>the truth of the matter is is when we make

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<v Speaker 3>these kinds of exceptions, it's like completely erasing the idea

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<v Speaker 3>that all men are supposed to be held equal in

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<v Speaker 3>just under the law. And I just finally say that

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<v Speaker 3>there are other countries. They're supposed to be the beacon

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<v Speaker 3>of democracies around the world. There are other countries who

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<v Speaker 3>who are not given that same credit of being beacons

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<v Speaker 3>of democracy, who have done better with reckoning with their

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<v Speaker 3>political leaders than we have. Take even that in Yahoo,

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<v Speaker 3>who we know is going to be now invited to

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<v Speaker 3>speak before the Congress. He has been found guilty, he

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<v Speaker 3>has gone before courts of law, he has been prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't see the Israeli people throwing their bodies on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground saying no, you can't take him. I just

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<v Speaker 3>as advanced as we like to think we are as

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<v Speaker 3>a country, Moments like this remind me of what a

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<v Speaker 3>throwback we are. We thought we threw off the yokes

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<v Speaker 3>of a divine ruler and a king in King George, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but this, to me, hearkens back to the divineness of

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<v Speaker 3>a ruler. That, yeah, you can sort of window dress

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<v Speaker 3>like they can be equally accountable. But in reality, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't put them in a prison. Of course, we

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<v Speaker 3>can't strip them of this. Of course, you've got run

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<v Speaker 3>the Sanders willing to turn over the goddamn state to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure this man can vote. Of course, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>have a president not be able to vote for themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>It just you cannot have it both ways. President Biden

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<v Speaker 3>cannot have it both ways. And I'm not even saying

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<v Speaker 3>he's considering this. But if he is, just know, just

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<v Speaker 3>know that you're erasing everything else you said about accountability

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<v Speaker 3>and preserving democracies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it comes down to would that cost him

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<v Speaker 1>votes or would that gain him votes? And I think again,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party has such a heart on for these

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<v Speaker 1>Republican voters that they think, oh, but if I pardon

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<v Speaker 1>you are a king, maybe then those I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know if he would be doing it for votes. I

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<v Speaker 1>really think that there's something in him, like even knowing

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<v Speaker 1>his role on Senate foreign affairs, like does this weaken

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<v Speaker 1>us in the eyes of the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 1>to have a former president jail.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's an institutionalist. He believes in decorum of places.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also think that the people who are around

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<v Speaker 3>him and advise him are absolutely thinking politically, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think they are wrong. The people who are on their

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<v Speaker 3>publican side are in the middle, who are saying be bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>be magnanimous, and excuse the sins of this president with

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<v Speaker 3>a pardon, are the same people who are believing that

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna get Nikki Haley voters right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and here's what I'm gonna tell you.

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<v Speaker 5>This is what I would tell him, Joe Biden, be bigger,

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<v Speaker 5>be better, be best.

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<v Speaker 4>And by that I mean let this go to.

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<v Speaker 5>Jail, Like, if he's committed the crime, let him do

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<v Speaker 5>the times.

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<v Speaker 4>If time is what is normally attributed to the.

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<v Speaker 3>The christology, the person who didn't Michael Cohene get three years,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the lesser offender.

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<v Speaker 5>In this case, right, and it was a slightly different case.

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<v Speaker 5>All I'm saying is I think that whatever the time is, like,

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<v Speaker 5>until that is equally applied across the board to all

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<v Speaker 5>people of all races, of.

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<v Speaker 4>All income levels.

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<v Speaker 5>That's another piece here. That's what needs to happen. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm done because Nick held up to ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, well I want to ask you something

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<v Speaker 1>about Florida and the whole voting thing. But before we do,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a little parentheses. I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into a whole deep dive on this. Do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have any thoughts on the whole net and yahoo going

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<v Speaker 1>to Congress?

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<v Speaker 3>You brought it up, Yeah, I mean, I just he's

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<v Speaker 3>a big disappointment. I think he's a big disappointment. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't even know how the Senate Majority leader went along

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<v Speaker 3>with who just stood before I mean, in his own

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<v Speaker 3>writing says this man needs to step down, that he is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, camouflaged on both his left and his right

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<v Speaker 3>by pure racist in his government, that the atrocities he's

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<v Speaker 3>committed are beyond recovery, and that he should he should

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<v Speaker 3>step down as a leader of the country. And now

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<v Speaker 3>we would extend democracy against beacon podium to him to

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<v Speaker 3>then spew what and then who counters it?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I feel I feel the same way about

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<v Speaker 3>this potential visit as I did when the Republicans invited

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<v Speaker 3>him when when Barack Obama was president, completely disrespecting exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's where they've gone, right, This isn't the party

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<v Speaker 3>of magnanimity, that isn't the party of good graces and

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<v Speaker 3>commitment to institution. They are How do we get even,

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<v Speaker 3>how do we embarrass them? How do we level them?

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<v Speaker 3>How do we how do we get them at every

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<v Speaker 3>single turn? That's what they do. And then us were

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<v Speaker 3>sitting over here in the baking whether or not this

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<v Speaker 3>now convicted felon should and I don't mean that as

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<v Speaker 3>a pejorative or an insult, but a fact, this now

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<v Speaker 3>convicted felon gets to escape the penalties that come with

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<v Speaker 3>having done the done.

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<v Speaker 1>What he's on behalf of the party of as law

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<v Speaker 1>and order, this party who has ridiculed police who literally

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<v Speaker 1>fought to save their lives on January sixth, have accused

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<v Speaker 1>them of being liars. And now you're saying, yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>have all this evidence that the president, the former president,

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<v Speaker 1>did break the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Not just evident, he is convicted. A jury of his

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<v Speaker 3>peers have sat down, listened to the facts of the case,

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<v Speaker 3>took their jobs very seriously, said same system that I

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<v Speaker 3>went through and others have gone through time and time again,

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<v Speaker 3>where you render yourself unto them for their judgment. And

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<v Speaker 3>now we're saying, Okay, the jury got it wrong. How

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<v Speaker 3>come those twelve brave men and women could have done

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<v Speaker 3>the job that they did, understanding all the dynamics, understanding

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<v Speaker 3>what the presidency of the United States mean, and they

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<v Speaker 3>still were able to assess the facts and reach a

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<v Speaker 3>conclusion unanimously that he broke the law. But we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a president, a presidency, senators, leaders who can't do

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<v Speaker 3>the same, who cannot muster the courage of these twelve

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<v Speaker 3>individuals right well to do what they have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you Angela as our resident attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>What women sentencing July eleven? Nice show?

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<v Speaker 4>Also my God, better birthday shout out to keik.

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<v Speaker 3>Also like what three days before the nominating three days

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<v Speaker 3>before the nominating of the Republican Party nominee for president.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow the irony. Des writes itself. Yeah, legally, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we know that. Can he vote in Florida?

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently Governor Desantans is trying to uh create all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of new rules policies that nobody has ever heard of before.

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<v Speaker 3>This is his statement. Florida Governor Around de Santan says

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<v Speaker 3>he'll make sure Donald Trump can vote in his home

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<v Speaker 3>state this November despite his felony convictions. Desanta said on

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<v Speaker 3>Friday that he disputes the assessment of some experts who

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<v Speaker 3>say that Trump's conviction of thirty four felon accounts would

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<v Speaker 3>make him in eligible gast votes in the state of Florida. However,

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<v Speaker 3>you can toss to this sounder. I can. But let's

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<v Speaker 3>really assess how this govern before.

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<v Speaker 1>We played the account. I just want to remind our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners because there's so much that has happened since Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's presidency in twenty eighteen, tell me if I have

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<v Speaker 1>my dates right. But Amendment four was passed by the

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<v Speaker 1>voters of Florida, which essentially allowed people winning spell any convictions.

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<v Speaker 1>We prefer to them as returning citizens to cast votes.

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<v Speaker 1>So we all celebrated this victory. We all sell we

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<v Speaker 1>thought this was a good thing. And then afterwards, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It's they can have their rights restored after they have

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<v Speaker 3>been served their time and paid all their restitution.

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<v Speaker 1>Good point. Well, the that's the key part of that

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<v Speaker 1>latter part paid yours to.

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<v Speaker 4>Undo Amendment four.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my point because the paid your restitution pieces Almost

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<v Speaker 1>people were saying, this is like a poll tax because

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<v Speaker 1>the fines, which we'll talk about later with the striverskips,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fines that build up. And so there were

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<v Speaker 1>all these people who had served their time and paid restitution,

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<v Speaker 1>they were the government sent them voter cards, and he

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<v Speaker 1>began arresting these folks. Ye, crackdown, yes on these all

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<v Speaker 1>the issues in Florida. Yeah, the issue for him was

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<v Speaker 1>people casting ballots to vote. Let's take a listen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want you all to imagine you're going to your car,

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<v Speaker 1>you served your time, You're going to work, and officers

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<v Speaker 1>show up at your house. Let's take a listen to

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<v Speaker 1>when that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you have a warrant, but what I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure voter stuff man.

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<v Speaker 1>Police bodycam video obtained by the Tampa Bay Times shows

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<v Speaker 1>Floridians being arrested for voter fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, right now we're gonna have to take you to

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<v Speaker 2>Dale's Vota fra.

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<v Speaker 1>Fro voting when you're not supposed to serve.

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<v Speaker 6>Because of your sex amendor status.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not supposed to be voting.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, voter voter, but I commit no fought.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so that's the thing. I don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>happened with it, but you do have a warrant.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it's for.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is a video that was obtained by the

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa Bay Times from August of twenty twenty two, two.

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<v Speaker 3>Am in the morning, banging on, knocking down practically elderly

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, people's doors, black women, young men, to tell

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 3>them that they don't have the right to vote. So

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 3>DeSantis is saying he will make sure that Trump doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>have a problem because he's the chairman of the clemency

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:28.879
<v Speaker 3>board right now in the state of Florida. As a

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.680
<v Speaker 3>result of and prior to amendment for the operating rule

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<v Speaker 3>is in order to get your rights restored as a

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 3>former felon, you must go before the governor and beg

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 3>your heart out before he and his three member cabinet

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 3>to say, can we vote? Can you please restore my rights?

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 3>I did this thirty years ago, and since that time,

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.359
<v Speaker 3>I've been productive in going to church. And a member

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 3>of the cabin had the nerve to say, how often

0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 3>have you gone to church? As a follow up. So

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<v Speaker 3>these are the kinds of insulting and dehumanizing kind of

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 3>things that people get put before the clemency board. And

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 3>he says, I'm going to make sure that the clemency

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 3>board clears it so that there's no dispute that Donald

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.639
<v Speaker 3>Trump has his rights. And basically what that means is

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 3>they are going to jump before any sentencing and anything

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 3>else to say, Donald Trump, this individual will have his

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 3>rights in the state of Florida. Bind you. The clemency

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 3>waiting list to get before the governor to ask for

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 3>your rights to be restored is almost a decade long.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's going to leapfrog the process have his rights

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.479
<v Speaker 3>restored by this governor. And this is a governor who

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 3>has made his mark in the state of Florida by

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:33.439
<v Speaker 3>taking people's rights away.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if I can no, go ahead, Angelo, just a

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<v Speaker 1>quick question.

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<v Speaker 5>I think one of the things that's fascinating to me

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<v Speaker 5>here is he's been convicted but not yet sentenced in

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<v Speaker 5>New York. I'm fascinated to understand how Ron DeSantis would

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 5>grant him clemency in Florida, or if it's just a

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 5>clemency like an umbrella so that he could at least

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<v Speaker 5>vote there. That's what I'm curious about, because they're not universal.

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 5>If you have to mark like on an applicant, even

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 5>for a job you're if felon is your felony is

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<v Speaker 5>a universal But how does it work when we're talking

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<v Speaker 5>about someone granting clemency in a state where you can't

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<v Speaker 5>be pardoned for a crime that was committed in another state.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he can't pardon him. But because he is the

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.160
<v Speaker 3>clemency board by and large, he and the three members

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 3>of the cabinet, they can apply whatever lens they want to.

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 3>He's trying to remake the law. However, how they have

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.120
<v Speaker 3>applied the law up to this point is not how

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 3>it is being applied. In the case of Donald Trump,

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 3>and I just for him to be willing to go,

0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, backwards, been over for a person who hasn't waited,

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 3>who had made application for it. He simply said, we're

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.360
<v Speaker 3>about to They're talking about a rig system. Now, that's

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 3>a rigged.

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<v Speaker 1>System right here. It's no secret that I do not

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>enjoy talking about Trump, and I think this is one

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 1>of the dangers in centering him in this conversation, because

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>he is one individual and I just don't really care

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>if he votes or not. Honestly, there are laws in

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>forty eight states which returning citizens from voting. To me,

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that's the bigger conversation. Florida leads the nation in sheer

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.159
<v Speaker 1>numbers of people who do that at the hands of

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Ron DeSantis in twenty twenty two. As of twenty twenty two,

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>it's four point four million Americans who are disenfranchised because

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>of former felony conviction. One in every nineteen Black voters

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>are impacted by this. In two states, Alabama and Tennessee,

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>more than eight percent of the adult population, that's one

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.959
<v Speaker 1>of every thirteen adults are disenfranchised by this. When we

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 1>focus on Trump, then I think, and that's what the media,

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>does we miss all the other things.

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 3>I should think the opposite by focusing on Trump. Their

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 3>argument that he is being bludgeoned by a system that

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.160
<v Speaker 3>is unfair, that is going after him, that creates two

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 3>systems of justice, one that punishes Republicans and Donald Trump

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 3>and presumably the other system that lets everybodbody else walk free,

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 3>is a blatant lie if you look at it. Nobody

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:07.920
<v Speaker 3>gets to leap frog the process in Florida as it

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.199
<v Speaker 3>relates to getting your rights restored. Nobody is. Nobody is

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 3>singling out the millions of people who you are talking

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 3>about who are experiencing this already. In my belief, I

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 3>think that system of taking people's rights or way in

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 3>this way is corrupt, and it disproportionately affects many of

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the folks that we know and care about in the

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 3>communities we care about. So essentially none of that applies

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 3>to him in this case. But y'all are acting like

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 3>somehow we've created a whole nother punitive system of justice

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 3>just for Republicans and Donald Trump, when these are the

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 3>people who have been the benefactors of the grace of

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 3>the justice system if they ever touched it. Yeah, if

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 3>they ever touched it.

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you think by by centering Trump that

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 1>the Republicans are going to say, oh, you're pointing out

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>our hypocrisy, we should change our policy, right.

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 3>And they don't know what hypocrisy is. It's level. The

0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 3>word doesn't exist for them, in my opinion.

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you might be. I think he might

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.719
<v Speaker 1>be right on that. I actually have some more questions

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>about this whole voting issue for both of you, guys,

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 1>But I think we might have to pay some bills.

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.120
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna go to a quick break. But guys,

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>don't go anywhere, because on the other side of this,

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I have a question for Andrew about voting in Florida

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.479
<v Speaker 1>and a question for Angela about federal charges and voting.

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>And I still want to get to this driver driving

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>with the suspended license, and so Angela can tell us

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 1>why we were all in the wrong for laughing at that,

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and we don't need to laugh at it anymore. I

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>did a little I'm not gonna lie I did a

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But Andrew mister right, exactly exactly. Yeah, two

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>systems to systems anyway, don't go anywhere, guys, We'll be

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>right back all right, Welcome back everybody. We're still talking

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>about this whole I would say epidemic of people being

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>disenfranchised with voting. So I guess my question is I

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's a really I hadn't considered that question that

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>you asked, because this was a charge out of New York.

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a state charge. So I wonder if you know,

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>are the people who are disenfranchised in Florida.

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 3>They're asked, have you ever been convicted of a felony,

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 3>so it doesn't matter conviction. Have you ever been convicted

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 3>of a felony charge or conviction? And they don't make

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 3>distinction between whether this was a state or a federal

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 3>felony applications.

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 5>The clemency board, I think to go to on the

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 5>clemency board, I know by application in voting, but I

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 5>just wondering.

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 3>But legal experts in the state disagree with the governor's

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 3>assessment about that. There is mass confusion amongst the people

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 3>who actually do the work of getting these folks re

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 3>enfranchised around whether or not his new advent of the law,

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 3>which is we don't recognize other states based felonies, has

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 3>not been applied.

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 5>Right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's why I was curious. I'm like, doe,

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 5>is there precedence?

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 3>No, there is no precedence, And you have the leading

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 3>groups in the state saying, we don't even know where

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 3>this came from. We don't, we don't. There's no history

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 3>in the state of Florida. This havn't happened. I'm just

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 3>scrolling real quick so I can actually get a quotable here.

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, but but why while you're scrolling, I just want

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>to give a quick shout out to Desmond mead Y,

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>who does amazing work in Florida. If you're not familiar

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>with him, get into him. But he was a big

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>champion of Amendment four. He is a returning citizen. I

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>believe he earned his law degree while he was imprisoned.

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>But there are people doing amazing work on this issue.

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I also, we've talked a lot about Marilyn Moseby on

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>this show when I in full disclosure, I worked on

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>her ex husband's campaign for Mayor Nick Moseby. And the

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>high amount of returning citizens in Baltimore is so voluminous

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that they are a political body and they actually hold

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>mayoral forum. If you want to, you have to cross

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>their path when you're trying to achieve something politically, and

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I just think that's amazing to harness that level.

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 3>And they're cling of people who are in jail without

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 3>having been convicted, that have never been organized around voting.

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 3>They can vote from jail if you don't have a phone,

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 3>any conviction, even in the state of Florida. But many

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>of these states, what they say, something like half a

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 3>population is sitting in jail having not been found guilty

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.479
<v Speaker 3>of a crime. It's because the system has required them

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 3>to be the here's the quote that I was looking for.

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Nonprofit group that represents felons seeking to restore their voting

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 3>rights disputes the interpretation of the law that DeSantis is applying.

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 3>That group, the Florida Justice Center associated at Desmond me

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 3>noted that the relevant Florida Statute and the state constitution

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 3>provisions do not make quote any such statement or distinction

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 3>regarding out of state convictions. There's nothing in the state

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 3>constitutional statutes. Of course they are and it will be

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 3>unchallenged and it will be applied in this case. So, yeah,

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 3>there are two systems. Adjustice trumps and everybody else's.

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 4>That was my point around clemency.

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 5>It is not normal to be able to take a

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 5>clemency petition before a governor where the crime has not

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 5>been committed in the state. That's so, I was like,

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 5>how does how is he even what clemency is he

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.959
<v Speaker 5>going to offer. It's not a commutation of a sentence,

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 5>it's not a pardon, so what is it? Just forgiveness

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 5>to be able to vote there? Sounds like that's what

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 5>he's going to do.

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, forgiving the elites. They have one objective and they

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 3>really don't care what the method is for getting there.

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 3>They will find their way there and it will be unchallenged.

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, you were talking about like it's the bail system

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and that's why there are people sitting in jail right now,

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>which I think brings us to our what what angela

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>one it has dug into and got some background on so.

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 3>All.

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, all I know is this. I saw the clip

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>of the guy zooming in the court while driving on

0:32:58.000 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>a suspended license.

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know anything meaning driving fast but using zoom,

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 3>using the tech zoom angel.

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 5>So by now I'm sure many of you all have

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 5>seen a video of a Detroit area man named Corey

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 5>Harris who is driving while appearing virtually ers have said,

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 5>zooming in court for driving with a suspended license. So

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 5>again he's driving, but he's in court for driving with

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 5>the suspended license. So let's take a listen now to

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 5>the viral clip. It's pretty viral now of Judge Cedric

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 5>Simpson's reaction or.

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 8>CAUs case People versus Corey Harris.

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 3>A sister public is under Natalie Kate for mister Harris,

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 3>who should be present.

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 8>In to zoom Mister are you driving, Ashley?

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 9>I'm pulling into my doctor's office. Actually so, so I'll

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 9>just give me one second.

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 8>I'm parking right now, all right, what are we doing?

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>You're on a re are respectfully requesting in a German

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>in this matter up possibly two or four weeks at

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>the court would allow.

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 8>Okay, So maybe I don't understand something. This is the

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 8>driving want of license suspended?

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.839
<v Speaker 4>That is correct your enter and.

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:23.240
<v Speaker 8>He was just driving and he didn't have a license.

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 8>I don't even know why he would do that. So

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.879
<v Speaker 8>defendant's bond is revoked in this matter, defendant is turned

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 8>himself into the Washington County deal by six pm today.

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 8>Failure to turn himself in will result in the bench

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 8>wart with no bond.

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 5>So you know when you look at this, I'm gonna

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.720
<v Speaker 5>be honest with y'all. I sent this clip to Leonard

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 5>and I was like, this clearly needs to be your

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 5>donkey of the day tomorrow. And I sent it last

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 5>week and I don't remember what our conversation was. It

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 5>was we prepped for even just our ever segments and

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 5>all of that, but there was something that made me say,

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, there's something deeper about this when we think

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 5>about this man's reaction. If you're driving to the doctor's office,

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 5>probably that probably means there's no other way. You probably

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 5>can't afford an uber. I looked into this case and

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 5>his suspension. His driver's license suspension was actually tied to

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 5>a child support case.

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 4>In twenty twenty two. In January twenty twenty.

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 5>Two, a judge ordered that that suspension be lifted to

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 5>allow him to drive again. So actually it was from

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty the judge lifted it in twenty twenty two.

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 5>The license suspension was revoked in January twenty twenty two.

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 4>It was filed with the state.

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 5>Government and for whatever there was some clearance paperwork that

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 5>didn't get handled, so it.

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 4>Was never lifted.

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 5>So he had his license restored, but it was never lifted.

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:04.280
<v Speaker 5>He ended up getting stopped in October of twenty twenty

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 5>three in the Pittsville township and he had to appear

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 5>virtually for a misdemeanor case revolving from that particular traffic

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 5>stop where he was in trouble for driving with the

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 5>suspended license that was not suspended anymore based on that

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty two government.

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 4>R Yes, a government air is literally.

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 5>A paperwork error, and at that time he was driving

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 5>his wife to the doctor, so there's some medical issues involved.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 5>Fast forward to anybody you know in your life who's

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.760
<v Speaker 5>ever been driving with the suspended license or whose license

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 5>got suspended, it is nine times out of ten a

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 5>financial issue child support someone not being able to and

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm not you know, poopooing the mothers that need child support,

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 5>but the fact that the government gets involved in this

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.359
<v Speaker 5>way where it would make it more difficult because now

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 5>they got to pay you the fines instead of paying

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 5>for the baby.

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 4>Right, Like, there are these layers and.

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 5>Once you get into that snowball, it just keeps growing,

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 5>growing and growing. No, and it's a stranglehold. So this

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 5>man has literally been penalized based on a paperwork error,

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 5>an administrative error at the state level, and then was

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 5>sent to prison that day. Well jail, Well sure, yes,

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 5>incarceration that day. Incarcerated that day, which is going to

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 5>mean what more fins? Yeah, so more fines for a

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 5>license that was suspended but was reinstated. But then there

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 5>was a misdemeanor based on the prior suspension even though

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 5>that wasn't his error, and he's having to appear in court.

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Which also costs money.

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 5>Like, at some point we have to acknowledge the fact

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 5>that this justice system merely serves those who can afford

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 5>to play ball, and that is really really treacherous.

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.320
<v Speaker 3>So and we supposedly got rid of the debtors court.

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Right from Europe, we throw off the yokes of the

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 3>debtors court that because you couldn't pay certain bills, you

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 3>would have to be incarcerated. And in the US we

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 3>supposedly rid ourselves of the system, except we then created laws, statutes,

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 3>ordinances that just reinforce financial hardship on frankly offenses if

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 3>you will, if you want to call them, that were

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 3>that originated out of financial hardships. So you got a

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 3>hardship you can't pay such and such and such and

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 3>so what do we then do We take your ability

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 3>to drive to your job away from you, the job

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 3>where you can then earn money to pay off the

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.360
<v Speaker 3>fines and whatever else preceded that that's still on your

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.359
<v Speaker 3>on your bill to have to pay for. We've now

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 3>limited you in every single way of being able to

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 3>do that, and we've thrown you into a perpetual debtor

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 3>system because you can't get under you. You just seem

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 3>to never be able to come from under the loads

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 3>and loads of debt that are put on you. In

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 3>so many cases, so many people owe money that is

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 3>way access of what the original burden was because of

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 3>fines and other remittances that have been put put in

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 3>layer on top of it.

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is gonna be a shameless plug. I'll

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.759
<v Speaker 1>tell you guys. I wrote a book some years ago,

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 1>say it Louder Loud and but and research for this book,

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I looked at this issue and in the city of Ferguson, Missouri,

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I found that the city was financing itself with predatory

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>practices that disproportionately impacted black folks. In this city, the

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>median household income was forty one thousand dollars, and police

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>were excessively harassing the citizens, pulling them over for like

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a broken tail light. And how did the so the

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>DJ got involved, A Department of Justice got involved, how

0:39:55.640 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>did this even fall on the Department of Justice's radar? Well, police,

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>they are shot and unarmed man Michael Brown, which invited

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and invests a federal investigation into the local municipalities and

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>their practices. And this is what they uncovered. And in

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 1>a city where, like I said, the median household income

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>is very low, a single missed, late, or partial payment

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of a fine, to Angelo's point, mean jail time. In

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>one instance this was cited by the DLJ, a Ferguson

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>resident was ticketed for parking her car illegally. That single

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 1>infraction ended up costing her more than one thousand dollars

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.359
<v Speaker 1>and six days in jail payments from these types of

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>counters and encounters in Ferguson. They were so aggressively that

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 1>outstanding fines and fees made up one fist of Ferguson's

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 1>entire revenue base. That was an eighty percent increase over

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.880
<v Speaker 1>just two years prior. Black folks were funding a system

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that was oppressing them. Now y'all know, Ferguson is not

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 1>specific to.

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 3>That valley America.

0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Everywhere across this country there are cities just like this

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>where you're impacted by this. I have driven on a

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>suspended license before. My mother has driven on a suspect

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>shes gonna kill me, but this is when we were

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>little sure. But she has driven on a suspended license before.

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I got a boot on my car before. In DC's tickets.

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Get removed, the original ticket fine and the.

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Storage when they told your car exactly right right, And

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 1>these these kind of feeds can compound. And this is

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.399
<v Speaker 1>just me going through this. You imagine a single mother

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>with two kids kids want to go on a field

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>trip because you know, one hundred whatever dollars or whatever.

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>It's really sad to see the way this goes. And

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>it's even sad or why this fell on our radar.

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.760
<v Speaker 1>So I really love that you did this, Angelo, because

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.319
<v Speaker 1>I did. I laughed when I saw this guy and

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>now you hear the story and it's like with his license,

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>it was a government error like.

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 5>His And the other thing that I think is significant

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 5>because we we do do what we try to do

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 5>a good job on this show of telling people how

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.240
<v Speaker 5>to solve for things. Yeah, Michigan does have a program

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 5>called Road to Restoration where they address these these challenges

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 5>where they help people if their licenses have been suspended

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 5>how to get back on their feet. And I think

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 5>those are the kinds of service.

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 3>And is it a nonprofit, No, it's a part.

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 4>Of us actually a government program.

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 5>These are the kinds of programs that we need to

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 5>have in place all over the country to ensure that

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 5>we rectify and right these wrongs.

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 4>Ferguson is not alone to your pain.

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:25.879
<v Speaker 3>And by the way, their local ordinances that they could

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.359
<v Speaker 3>adopt that removes this burden in the first place. Take

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:32.760
<v Speaker 3>for instance, and most downtowns, whether it is as obvious

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.240
<v Speaker 3>as a government era and trying to get his situation cured,

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 3>and most downtowns where courthouses exist, they know that if

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 3>they had done a parking study that they have, they

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 3>supply one tenth of the parking that is demanded in

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 3>that area. And then you expect these folks to show up,

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 3>be there on time, leave their jobs, be able to park,

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 3>come into the courthouse, do their business, get back out,

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 3>and get back to work, except that you know that

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 3>you have invited them into an environment where only one

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 3>tenth of the parking is available for the demand that

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.839
<v Speaker 3>has had. So you got parking restrictions in a place

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:11.840
<v Speaker 3>that you cannot possibly facilitate the demand that you're inviting

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 3>into it, and then you penalize those people for a

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 3>problem that you know your government studies already point to

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 3>the fact that it's insufficient public parking, insufficient access for people.

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 3>And now we're going to penalize you. And by the way,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:26.800
<v Speaker 3>you relate to court and I'm gonna throw you in

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 3>jail for disrespecting the court or rather the judge or whatever.

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 3>But nobody is interrogating. Nobody's taking the time to ask,

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 3>pull back the layers and ask the question, what, judge,

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 3>do we provide sufficient parking?

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? You know.

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 5>One of the things I was thinking about too is

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 5>growing up, there was a cartoon that I used to

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 5>love to watch called Transformers more than me Ci, more

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 5>than me Ci. And that is normally the case on

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 5>these issues. We are led to believe in media, in print,

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 5>on air that if someone is said to be guilty,

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 5>then they're guilty, and there's no other nuance, no other texture,

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 5>no other context offered. And I think this case is

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 5>a prime example of this. When you just watched that video,

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 5>you're like, I agree with this judge. How dumb can

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 5>this man be? You have no idea all of the things.

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 4>That are there.

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 5>But I thought of you, Chiff, because the media bias

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 5>is real and I had to check my own self

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 5>on this particular.

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>But the people who played the clip, like, as journalists,

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I think they owe us viewers, you know, to tell

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>us the full, whole.

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.479
<v Speaker 5>Complete story. And every single major network did it right. Yeah,

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 5>so eager to go viral.

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 4>Viral, that's it.

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Many time we have not heard from the viewers yet,

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>so I want to exactly. So we're gonna take a

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 1>quick break. Don't go anywhere, guys, because right after this

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 1>break is you coming up next. So we'll be right back,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Welcome back to Native lamppod. Everybody listen. Every

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0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.600
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<v Speaker 1>So welcome home. For our first you were question. I

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>believe it's Jenary Turner shall tell us how to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's roll that quick.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, y'all, my name is Chanieri Turner and I currently

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 7>live in Atlanta, Georgia. My question is, can y'all discuss

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 7>the bipartisan invitation from top Senate and House leaders to

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.920
<v Speaker 7>NAT and Yahoo to address Congress after all of the

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 7>devastation and ongoing genocide from Israel's leadership. Why would they

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 7>invite him? And why would they invite a man who

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 7>is currently who currently has an arrest request within the

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 7>ICC for war crimes to speak to the United States. Also,

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 7>which one of y'all are going to check Hakeem Jeffries

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 7>for this little stunt, because this is really starting to

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 7>make me question even the quote unquote liberal or progressive Democrats.

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you for that question. I love that question,

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>So Andrew, I asked you about this, but I'm so

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 1>happy that the viewers are right with us. Angela. I'm

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:05.760
<v Speaker 1>curious because you've worked on the Hill a long time.

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I just want to point out Congressman Hakim Jefferies is

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.359
<v Speaker 1>not the Speaker of the House. Uh, he's in the minority.

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 1>But I quite honestly haven't followed this particular story closely.

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I do not believe that he invited.

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 4>He did, he joined in the letter.

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.320
<v Speaker 5>You know what I think is so tough and shout

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 5>out to Hakim because that is my friend too. I

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.879
<v Speaker 5>don't know that you become Speaker of the House when

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 5>Democrats get the majority without the support of APEX right

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 5>now as it currently stands in our in the oversize

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 5>just frankly, the oversized role that they play in our

0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 5>body politic. I also don't know that you get the

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 5>support even if you don't get a donation from them,

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 5>if you don't demonstrate an unwavering support to Israel having

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 5>a right to defend itself. I don't know though, that

0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.959
<v Speaker 5>you have to invite Benjamin net Yahoo to speak before

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 5>or a joint session of Congress, especially given his very

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 5>blatantly racial racist history coming to speak when Barack Obama

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 5>did not invite him. So I just I don't know

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 5>what this what this approach is. I think more than checking,

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:20.279
<v Speaker 5>I come to this with curiosity, and my question is

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:22.879
<v Speaker 5>just why, you know, what do you stand to gain

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 5>here given the fact that this is such a treacherous, bloody,

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 5>deadly war that's happening on our watch, And you know,

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:35.760
<v Speaker 5>are you okay with taking the posture that you're taking.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, when history looks back on this twenty years

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 5>from now, was it worth it? And his calculus may

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 5>be that it was worth it, you know, and and

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:47.919
<v Speaker 5>it's and it's hard. I think that he is put

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 5>in a precarious position. There are a lot of people

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 5>who look like us, who you know, rise through the

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 5>ranks to become CEOs and major corporations, or to be

0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 5>heads of trade associations or to be leaders in in

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 5>the party, and they have to make a lot of

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 5>concessions that I don't think I could write, or.

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Trade offs and some you know, some things you want

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 3>and you have to determine how deep you want to

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 3>stand in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's exactly what I mean by the consis Yeah.

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 3>And I think for him, he's probably trying to eliminate

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 3>whether we agree with it or not. I think he's

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 3>probably trying to eliminate ciphers that can show up in

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 3>the November election and cost him seats. So trying not

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 3>to make an issue an issue. So if the Jewish

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.400
<v Speaker 3>caucus and those on the Democratic side and the moderate

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 3>wing of the party, frankly it's the mainstream of the

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 3>party because it's it's it's what the president also stands for.

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 3>What he says, we were un you know, deniably stand

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.400
<v Speaker 3>next to our ally Israel and their right to defend themselves.

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:55.480
<v Speaker 3>And they even rejected the criminal the war Crimes tribunal

0:48:55.600 --> 0:49:00.040
<v Speaker 3>that that has accused net Yahu and his government of

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 3>of crimes against humanity in there and as they ascious war.

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 3>But Hakim does have a difficult job, and I just

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 3>think we have to be careful what our expectations are

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 3>of our leaders in any specific moment when we're thinking

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 3>about the road to the bigger win. And I think

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 3>the bigger win he's looking toward is trying to become

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.239
<v Speaker 3>a Speaker of the House, not for the sake of

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 3>him being speaker, but so the Democratic Party, the Democratic

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Party party's values and positions have the ability to be,

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, to carry the day, and right now they can.

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<v Speaker 5>Here is the one thing that I say that's interesting,

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 5>and I think this is a perfect example of what

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 5>he faces. There were four leaders who signed on to

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 5>that letter. Mike Johnson, who is the Speaker, Chuck Schumer,

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 5>who is the majority leader.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Senate. Yes, a Democrat, yes, yes, and Jewish

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's.

0:49:56.400 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 4>Also Jewish and Mitch McConnell and Hakim ms.

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 1>McConnell's still alive.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, And here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>The person who we've spent like the vast majority amount

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 5>of time on this is talking about Hakem. He is

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 5>going to be under the microscope in the fish bowl

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 5>on these issues at every turn because of his role,

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.359
<v Speaker 5>because of his age, and certainly because of his race.

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:24.680
<v Speaker 5>And I think those are the calculations he constantly has

0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 5>to make. It is not fair, and as my friend,

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:29.919
<v Speaker 5>I do not agree with this one right, but I'm

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:33.240
<v Speaker 5>just saying it's it is remarkable how much more pressure

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 5>is on them. When mister Cliburn was with, there was

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 5>remarkably like if there was a close vote or a

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 5>lost vote, it was he was with. But also there's

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.160
<v Speaker 5>a whole other leadership is majority leaders anywhere there was

0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 5>a majority, I mean a speaker Nancy Pelosi, but it

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:49.640
<v Speaker 5>would always followup mister Clyburn.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's a you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I think my challenge here and I

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 1>know we're coming up on times. I'll be quick. I

0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:02.480
<v Speaker 1>think as as black people people we who know firsthand

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 1>what it's like to be an oppressed people. And if

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you're making political calculations in the face of forty thousand

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>plus dead, mostly women and children, it's hard to reconcile

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 1>those two things. Is your political ambition worth this calculation.

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I have known the Jeffreys family like you for a

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 1>long time. Have always found the entire family to be

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>upstanding individuals. And listen, when Congressman Haquen Jeffreys made his

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.680
<v Speaker 1>way to Congress, it was a joyous occasion. I mean,

0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.239
<v Speaker 1>he still does like congressman on the corner in Brooklyn.

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 1>He you know, we know him. You know he reflects us.

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:45.839
<v Speaker 1>That does not absolve you from accountability and responsibility and criticism.

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:49.280
<v Speaker 1>And so we are right to say, hey, you're getting

0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:53.320
<v Speaker 1>this one wrong. And I think to the entire House,

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 1>really house incentive, But to the Congressional Black Caucus, who

0:51:56.440 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>has always worn the banner as the conscience of the Congress,

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.479
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to stand with you guys on this one.

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:06.479
<v Speaker 1>You know it's hard. Well that's that's fair, that's fair.

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 1>But to the members who you know, the traffic in

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>that space, I just I don't like it.

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 3>So we break I interpret this lessons and endorsement of

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 3>being able to speak and more of a how do

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 3>I take this issue off the table? I think, not

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:23.760
<v Speaker 3>make it controversial. How do we just make this regular

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 3>order and keep it moving now? Whether or not we

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.239
<v Speaker 3>receive it as that is another thing.

0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 1>As as somebody who ran for office, I think you

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 1>have a different lens.

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:33.359
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:35.839
<v Speaker 3>I think it's far beyond his individual ambition. I think

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 3>he has a lot more to do with the party

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:40.319
<v Speaker 3>is standing and where it wants to be on November six.

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, well, Sheenery. I hope that answered your question.

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 1>You guys, please keep sitting in your videos, your comments.

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.279
<v Speaker 1>We love hearing from you. This is your podcast too,

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:53.960
<v Speaker 1>so welcome home y'all. We love having a seat at

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the table here with you guys. Okay, we have another

0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 1>question that I want to get to Darren Keith. Darren,

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you talk about what.

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:06.800
<v Speaker 9>Is going on good people over Native Lampard. Darren Keith

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:11.280
<v Speaker 9>here from Florida. I got a quick question for Tiffany.

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.759
<v Speaker 9>You say that you read eight newspapers a day. So

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:20.880
<v Speaker 9>my two questions is number one, which newspapers that you

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 9>read every day? And number two, do you have the

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:29.880
<v Speaker 9>paper edition or is it digital or do you have both?

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 9>And if you can list them. I would truly appreciate it. Again,

0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 9>I appreciate you three. You all are the best if

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 9>I had any siblings. I'm an only child, but if

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 9>I did have any siblings, you three would definitely be

0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 9>my brother and sisters. So take it easy.

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 3>We love it, love it, we love it, We love it.

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.760
<v Speaker 1>You are our brother there, and you are our brother.

0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 1>He is our brother.

0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 5>Tell you yeah, I feel like he might work for

0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 5>the tree conservationists and he's trying to see you really

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 5>reading eight newspaper copies a day. He got to protest.

0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Joe ass siblings sibling moment. So I actually am all digital.

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 1>But it was a hard fight for me because when

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I first started out in newsrooms, there were hard papers there,

0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 1>so it took a while for me to convert to

0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:27.839
<v Speaker 1>digital papers. But I will be really quickly because we're

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>coming up on time. I have a whole like morning routine,

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.160
<v Speaker 1>so I always start out with The Times New York Times.

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I recover to cover I don't. I try not to skip.

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I do skip a lot of Trump stuff in transparency,

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.400
<v Speaker 1>but I know, I know my colleagues will keep me.

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 1>It was normally a one above the fold. It is true.

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 1>And then after the Times, I go to The Post,

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post, and I read those are the two

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 1>that I read cover to cover, after those who are

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty heady. So then after that I read The Atlantic,

0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:58.760
<v Speaker 1>not cover to cover, but usually on the digital page

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Atlantic. They'll do like throwback articles that are

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>still very relevant. It's not always so political, it's just

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting things. After that, I go to Al Jazeera English

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:09.440
<v Speaker 1>because I like, you know, to get a global perspective.

0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>BBC to a lesser degree, they tend to skew a

0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:16.240
<v Speaker 1>little conservative. Sometimes vox is great. They do deep dives

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>into the things that are not always political, but sometimes

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>they are the Hill. I do the Hill to see

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 1>what if there's anything interesting happening on the Hill. They

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 1>also have little segments on the Hill. The economists have

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 1>some good reads. And then I try to read a

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 1>local paper. These are I made, you know, switch, but

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I typically read the Atlanta Journal, Constitution a jac Sometimes

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll read the Dallas Morning News. Sometimes I'll do the

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Chicago sometimes, and honestly, I have a subscription to the

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal. I try to read the Journal. I

0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.399
<v Speaker 1>don't always understand it, but I will read the op

0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:48.800
<v Speaker 1>ed pages of the journal. But honestly, I try to

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.239
<v Speaker 1>read financial news, and my agent says to me one time,

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not worried about you. You can talk about anything unless

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:55.960
<v Speaker 1>they're like, we want to talk about the European market,

0:55:56.000 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 1>so I would be terrified. I can't really under stand

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 1>financial news as well as I would like. And then

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:05.759
<v Speaker 1>I try to get my niche media in there, so

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll look at the Grio. Michael Harriet is a great columnist.

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I love to read his columns, and I think that's

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:15.240
<v Speaker 1>about it, but these things change. I rarely read political

0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'll do axios if they have something interesting, but

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't do that every morning. I could skip it.

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:22.080
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. That may have been more than eight,

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 1>may have been less than eight, but typically sometimes it

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.200
<v Speaker 1>could be ten, sometimes it could be six. But I

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 1>have a pretty I hope eclectic news diet. And thank

0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you for that question. It's digital. I appreciate the question

0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:36.480
<v Speaker 1>for thee I do not read. Yeah, I do read

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 1>La Times sometimes, but yeah, just because I do feel

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like the West Coast gets left out of a lot

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of coverage because the East all the it's all headquartered

0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:47.840
<v Speaker 1>on the East Coast and you do like you don't

0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:49.799
<v Speaker 1>hear a lot about things, or if you do, it's

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.360
<v Speaker 1>from like a very East Coast perspective, you know, especially

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:54.839
<v Speaker 1>when Karen Bass was running from mayor, I was like, wow,

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, we need to have more of that. So anyway,

0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I hope that answers your question. I'm sure I've left things.

0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Out local papers. I don't know how you view local.

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, I said I read, Yeah, I just.

0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, you got the Washington Post.

0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 1>No, I just said I'd like to read local papers.

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll read the Atlanta Journal, I'll read the Dallas Morning News,

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.879
<v Speaker 1>or you know, I switch it up sometimes of the Chicago sometimes.

0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm my bad for not listening.

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 3>I thought. The only questionary note about many of the

0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:24.680
<v Speaker 3>local pieces is that so much of it is owned by.

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Saint Clair Broadcast. Yeah, there's a lot of conservative all yeah, yeah,

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>which you know, on one hand, it's like, yeah, you

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 1>want the media decentralized. On the other hand, when these

0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 1>conservative monopolies buy it up the Baltimore Sun, who was

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>very unfair to Marilyn Moseby and in Baltimore, you have

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to know that's the hard part about your news die.

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 1>You want to know who owns this, what's their interest

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:48.160
<v Speaker 1>in some of these things. So it's unfortunate, but print

0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 1>drives broadcast. Folks know that people are upreading the wires.

0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>That drives broadcast. But I encourage people to read more

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:55.800
<v Speaker 1>global news because it's a lot of interesting things happening.

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:57.919
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're way over time. Thank you for that question.

0:57:58.040 --> 0:57:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Keep sending your questions. We will try to get to

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 1>all of them if we can. And welcome home to

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 1>our native land family. We love hearing from you guys,

0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 1>and our new brother, our new brother, mister Darren Keith.

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 1>That's our own sibling, our new sibling. All right, we're

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 1>going to take a quick break. On the other side

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 1>of this break, we got calls to action. Instead'll go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you on the other body.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, well, come, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, y'all, we are back with I think one

0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 3>of the more impactful parts of the show. What are

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 3>our calls to action? Tiff? Since you've been hosting us

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 3>carrying the show, you can start her. What's up? What

0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:39.400
<v Speaker 3>do you want to do?

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I kind of already gave it, but

0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I would just encourage people to read global news, some

0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 1>global news outlets, because we could do eight shows back

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 1>to back to back just on what's happening in the

0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:50.120
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world that we don't get to talk

0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot about here. So that would be my call

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to action. Get off Instagram and you know, read some

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:56.040
<v Speaker 1>some global.

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:57.080
<v Speaker 3>News, some primary sources.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a thought is different this week.

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<v Speaker 5>I am really struggling just with my own self on

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<v Speaker 5>how to encourage people to get out and vote in

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<v Speaker 5>an election that is as treacherous as this one is,

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<v Speaker 5>when folks are feeling so torn and emotional about it.

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<v Speaker 5>And so there was a question that came up in

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<v Speaker 5>the interview with Governor Shapiro who said that he was,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, all the way aligned with President Biden. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think we do spend a lot of time talking

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<v Speaker 5>about what is wrong with Donald Trump and not a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of time talking about what is right with the

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<v Speaker 5>Biden Here's ticket. And so am I call to actually

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<v Speaker 5>would be go, if you're someone who knows who you're

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<v Speaker 5>voting for and why, and it's the Biden Hair's ticket,

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<v Speaker 5>go and tell people proactively what they've done that you

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<v Speaker 5>are proud of, that you align with that makes you

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<v Speaker 5>want to go out and support them, And my obligation

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<v Speaker 5>would be to come back to you all and tell

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<v Speaker 5>you why I'm going to do that next.

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<v Speaker 1>Can they tell us yeah, video, Yeah, I would leve

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<v Speaker 1>for us why you're voting for who you're voting for? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I do too. So in the wake of the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>convictions in his establishment as a as a as a felon,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to caution us, particularly on the left,

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<v Speaker 3>against making the term felon a pejorative and sort of

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<v Speaker 3>turning this thing into some sort of insult against people

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<v Speaker 3>who have who have had felony charges. I think we

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<v Speaker 3>might be trying to insult him inadvertently creating common cause

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<v Speaker 3>between him and other people. And as we've said before

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<v Speaker 3>in other shows, there's no common cause in these experiences,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with the exception of the fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't think he should have one, which may be what

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<v Speaker 3>we all share. You know, many of us share that

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<v Speaker 3>you you shouldn't have one either, But his experience, the

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<v Speaker 3>way he's navigated again, he's only turned against this system

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<v Speaker 3>because it's expedient for him. But this is the same

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<v Speaker 3>system that has protected him for decades. His father for decades,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I just want to caution us around our

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<v Speaker 3>language that in our effort to insult him, to diminish him,

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<v Speaker 3>that we be careful not to really be harmful to

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people in our community. By bye bye,

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<v Speaker 3>By co listing the two of them together, they're not

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<v Speaker 3>the same, the experiences are not the same, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>not forever measured by our worst days.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome home, y'all. There are one hundred and fifty two

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