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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty two of native
Speaker 1: Land Pod where we give it to you straight, no chaser.
Speaker 1: We are your host, Tiffany Cross, the gorgeous Anger Will Ride,
Speaker 1: the handsome Dell Andrew Andrew Gillman is not thrown a
Speaker 1: lot of shade today.
Speaker 3: I haven't not tell me I look lubricated. I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I think you look good, moist Ride.
Speaker 1: I was giving Andrew like oils, you know, our oils
Speaker 1: that we used. I was giving them for every.
Speaker 3: Oil, every oil I put on, palm all of I
Speaker 3: put onurgent.
Speaker 4: And take that out because y'all have not endorsed them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they ain't get no free every sounds like he
Speaker 1: was I think he was saying palm oil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 4: Lord, Lord, that's a branch.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but
Speaker 1: Angela joined us a little party because you were interviewing someone.
Speaker 1: Can I say, can we talk about it?
Speaker 4: I think so?
Speaker 1: Okay, Nanda was interviewing the governor of Pennsylvania this morning
Speaker 1: for the Breakfast Club, which I'm looking forward to tuning
Speaker 1: into that interview. As you know, Pennsylvania is a swing state.
Speaker 1: Can you give us anything about the interview?
Speaker 5: Yes, I had a great question that came from our
Speaker 5: dear sister Tiffany Cross, and I got to tie in
Speaker 5: my favorite sitcom right now, Abbot Elementary.
Speaker 4: So shout out to you that.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Quincy Brentson, and shout out to you
Speaker 1: doing the interview. But anyway, do we know when it's
Speaker 1: gonna air?
Speaker 5: I hope by the time this podcast drops, I will
Speaker 5: tell you. Andrew and I were talking on side. I
Speaker 5: think he definitely has an it factor that's missing.
Speaker 3: From the are we able to name check him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Governor Shapiro. We didn't say that, sorry, yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No. I think I think he has what
Speaker 3: it takes to go all the way if he if
Speaker 3: he chooses, and obviously he's got to continue to do
Speaker 3: a good job at the job that he has. But
Speaker 3: assuming that all works, I think the guy has really strong,
Speaker 3: hopefully aspirations toward toward toward the White House.
Speaker 4: I would like to see you guys on a ticket.
Speaker 3: Oh lord, this well anyway to the point, I think,
Speaker 3: to the point, he's got a very he's got a
Speaker 3: very very state.
Speaker 1: I would like you to address point a lot.
Speaker 3: He's got a big as the question that h that
Speaker 3: that has to balance. No, listen, y'all, he's got to
Speaker 3: balance a lot of different demographics. And I actually think
Speaker 3: you presented a fact before that I didn't know, which
Speaker 3: was that the majority of insurrectionist who participated in the
Speaker 3: January sixth attacks on the US Capitol. You brought it up,
Speaker 3: you're right, but you brought it up before this. That's
Speaker 3: that says something, y'all, that this democratic governor was able
Speaker 3: to compete there. Yeah, when in the same cycle that
Speaker 3: that uh, Joe Biden was able to pull that state,
Speaker 3: and hopefully they'll be able to work together to pull
Speaker 3: another miracle out of Pensylvania.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see. We'll stay tuned.
Speaker 5: But I just want to note that you still so
Speaker 5: now when people I just want you guys to know this.
Speaker 5: When you guys get mad that I cut Andrew off,
Speaker 5: I'm always on his case.
Speaker 4: You see. He won't answer my question.
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, as a lot of the comments always talk
Speaker 1: about you running. When are you going to run again?
Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well it's a good thing that that's not one of
Speaker 3: today's topics.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's get to today's comics then, rude anyway,
Speaker 1: all right, Andrew, you wanted to get to this week's topics. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't be the top of mine. I beg your pardon.
Speaker 4: I said he doesn't want to be.
Speaker 1: No, I beg you what Trump to say to Biden.
Speaker 1: I've planned that yesterday.
Speaker 3: I was ready. I wasn't ready, thank.
Speaker 1: You anyway, but he better not. We'll get into that,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be the first topic we get into.
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, I want people to understand
Speaker 1: we're not talking about the thirty four counts he was
Speaker 1: just found guilty though their state charges, Biden cannot issue
Speaker 1: a part in there. We're talking about the rest of
Speaker 1: the charges, the federal charges that he faces. Also, I
Speaker 1: wanted to get into this. Can he even vote because
Speaker 1: he's a convicted felon?
Speaker 3: Now, well, he's a convicted felon who lives in the
Speaker 3: state of Florida some of the most restricted voting rights.
Speaker 1: We should talk about that. I wanted to get into that.
Speaker 1: And speaking of folks getting arrested, I know by now
Speaker 1: everyone has seen the guy driving with the suspended license
Speaker 1: zoomed into court. And yes, I laughed attitude. But Angela,
Speaker 1: I know you say this is no laughing matter.
Speaker 5: I laughed first too, But I guess there's some other
Speaker 5: there are some other things that we need to discuss
Speaker 5: this result.
Speaker 1: Were it well, Angela like dug into it, and there's
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't. I just looked at the video and
Speaker 1: moved past it. But there's apparently a backstory. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna tell us about that. What it happened was, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to hear about that, But you guys know,
Speaker 1: I like to throw it back before we toss it forward.
Speaker 1: So this is this is my two lettle listen, get
Speaker 1: your minds out the gutter. That wasn't a double onside
Speaker 1: there wait a minute, But when we haven't said any words, Andrew, I.
Speaker 5: Think once upon a time and a debate, you said
Speaker 5: a hit dog. Well yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: Anyway, do you guys know.
Speaker 1: On June sixth in nineteen eighty four, Tetris wasn't vincent?
Speaker 1: This is yes, yes, this is it was like super popular.
Speaker 1: It was super popular nineteen eighty four. It was super
Speaker 1: popular the roads kids.
Speaker 4: Oh you know that's true. We just shouting out brands
Speaker 4: they haven't sponsored us.
Speaker 3: Well maybe this would be an okay.
Speaker 1: Yes, anyway, it was popular among kids in Texas and Texas.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I even finished.
Speaker 4: She met Tetris.
Speaker 1: That happens when you throw it back too far, your
Speaker 1: words too hard, moving past it, you know, you see, y'all,
Speaker 1: I'm moving past it. The other thing there. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be disappointed because
Speaker 1: we're not talking about sports on this show. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to disappoint my sports fans. On this day.
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty six, the National Basketball Association was founded
Speaker 1: on June sixth, nineteen forty six. So that's my little
Speaker 1: sports as a sports expert. That's my little sports knowledge.
Speaker 1: But speaking of basketball, now that we do it back, Nick,
Speaker 1: make like a Jason Tatum and dust that beat on us.
Speaker 1: I got all my sport for everss today.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, very well researched.
Speaker 6: Had I been President Biden when the Justice Department brought
Speaker 6: an indictment, so I would have immediately pardoned him. I
Speaker 6: had to pardon President Trump. Why oh, because it makes
Speaker 6: me President Biden the big guy and the person I
Speaker 6: pardoned the little guy.
Speaker 3: Oh please?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this our viewers know. That was Senator Mitt Romney,
Speaker 1: a Republican senator from Utah, in conversation on one of
Speaker 1: the Sunday shows giving his recommendations on Biden. Honestly, Angeliae
Speaker 1: suggested that we talk about this. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: this was a question. I knew that the right had
Speaker 1: been saying this. I don't understand it. And just a reminder,
Speaker 1: I know we said this in the open, but just again,
Speaker 1: the president cannot pardon Donald Trump from any state charges either.
Speaker 1: Are just the federal charges, not the criminal charges that
Speaker 1: he was just found guilty of we'll see about sentencing
Speaker 1: with that, but the remaining federal charges, do any of
Speaker 1: us think that Biden should offer a pardon?
Speaker 5: Okay, before we do this, because we were just talking
Speaker 5: about poles last week. I want to just do a
Speaker 5: focused group pole really quick, and I want you guys
Speaker 5: to tell me yes or no. If Mitt Romney would
Speaker 5: have won the twenty twelve election and Obama was charged,
Speaker 5: do we think that Mitt Romney would.
Speaker 4: Have pardoned Barack Obama?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know because I do find that of the
Speaker 1: Republican bunch, Mitt Romney is certainly problematic, and I think
Speaker 1: like ignorant to a lot of issues. I don't find
Speaker 1: him to be a malicious person. I think he's truly
Speaker 1: ignorant to a lot of our issues. So you hear, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's keep going.
Speaker 5: Do we think that if Hillary Clinton would have been
Speaker 5: charged when Donald Trump won in twenty sixteen, that he
Speaker 5: would have pardoned Hillary Clinton?
Speaker 1: Donald say, Donald Trump?
Speaker 4: Would Donald Trump have pardoned Hillary Clinton?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Okay, he would have brought back public hangings
Speaker 1: on the White House.
Speaker 4: Lawn, Okay. And then if.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump would have been charged under a Barack Obama administration.
Speaker 1: Do we think that Barack Obama would have partnered on
Speaker 1: now that is possible. I think that's a yes.
Speaker 4: So here's that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely would have.
Speaker 4: But this is where I wanted to go.
Speaker 5: Here is my thing and my biggest issue, my biggest
Speaker 5: gripe right now with the Democratic Party. We do not
Speaker 5: take hard lines on in the sand for like righteousness.
Speaker 5: There's still this this this pull to want to win
Speaker 5: people over and to demonstrate that we can be the
Speaker 5: party of civility and you know, the one that galvanizes everyone,
Speaker 5: and I actually really respect that that's a thing.
Speaker 4: However, I think there are some moments, like.
Speaker 5: I don't know right now, the middle of a political war,
Speaker 5: where that has to kind of go by the wayside.
Speaker 5: I think that what you're seeing mostly from Joe Biden
Speaker 5: is someone who harkens back to the days where he
Speaker 5: could sit down and have lunch with strong thermat you know,
Speaker 5: where he could you know, we've been.
Speaker 4: In in the Obama administration where he could.
Speaker 5: The beer some where they could do all these things
Speaker 5: where they remember goodness and they could find something to
Speaker 5: hang their hats on about why we are great uniters
Speaker 5: and not dividers, and I think they're constantly trying to
Speaker 5: prove that at our own, at our expense, and that
Speaker 5: is one of the This is why I think that
Speaker 5: it is highly likely that Joe Biden would pardon Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: So I follow you and agree with you up to
Speaker 3: this point, which is that grace it seems from Democrats
Speaker 3: tends to only extend to Republicans. Yes, the same grace
Speaker 3: that we would extend to a Donald Trump, who is now,
Speaker 3: you know, hard as a criminal, we would not extend
Speaker 3: to Democratic former political leaders or political leaders. And the
Speaker 3: sake of well, I mean, yeah, we do dot this,
Speaker 3: but I want to dot dot dot it a little
Speaker 3: bit later on as we dive into some of this
Speaker 3: voting right stuff. But the grace or the magnanimity of
Speaker 3: it right you can look bigger because you've gotten the
Speaker 3: smaller guy out, only seems to apply to folks who
Speaker 3: are on the politically opposite side. And for you know,
Speaker 3: for me, I just feel like you don't dance with
Speaker 3: the people who brought you to the event. You whisper
Speaker 3: your favor in their direction, yet you do nothing declarative
Speaker 3: when you're in the position to make a difference. You
Speaker 3: don't do anything to make a difference. And so I
Speaker 3: agree with your point that that it's largely going to
Speaker 3: be Democrats who act in that way and Republicans will
Speaker 3: act in that way, except only for Republicans. This is
Speaker 3: the difference in the I think in the two parties
Speaker 3: is that, yeah, Ford would would grant Nixon a pardon.
Speaker 3: But now we're calling on the Democrat president to preemptively presume,
Speaker 3: you know, one would presume Trump has not asked for this, Well,
Speaker 3: has he not asked? But there's been no trial, right,
Speaker 3: so so we're already getting out before the putting the
Speaker 3: cart before the horse does.
Speaker 5: He pardoned people who weren't tried yet, So that's not
Speaker 5: uncanny for.
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: look at the ways in which we are willing to
Speaker 3: bend ourselves backwards, upside down, recontort in every single way,
Speaker 3: and guess what, we don't even find it a hard
Speaker 3: job to do when it comes to.
Speaker 6: For a while.
Speaker 1: But this wasn't a question on Angelo's pole. But would
Speaker 1: Trump even ask, would you humble himself to ask? And
Speaker 1: I don't even.
Speaker 4: Think that he would. I don't even think it would
Speaker 4: come across as a humble ask.
Speaker 5: I think he would be like, you know, in our history,
Speaker 5: you know, elected leaders are pardoned. This is what should happen.
Speaker 5: This is what happened with Richard Nixon. He's proactively pardoned.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 5: So I don't think that it's you know, I think
Speaker 5: that in his mind he can't believe that he was
Speaker 5: even tried, right, honestly guilty, certainly not.
Speaker 1: I think he's threatening us, to be honest with you guys.
Speaker 1: Earlier this week, he was being interviewed by somebody and
Speaker 1: he gave sound like there is a breaking point, you know,
Speaker 1: about him potentially serving jail time, which yes, I agree,
Speaker 1: like how would a president, a former president serve jail?
Speaker 1: But yeah, but like the Secret Service would have to go, but.
Speaker 3: Twelve hours, his.
Speaker 1: Prison sentence would be a lot more comfortable than most
Speaker 1: of the prison population in this country. But I think,
Speaker 1: to me, I don't take these things as hyperbolic. And
Speaker 1: I think that is a whistle to his followers of
Speaker 1: if they try to send me to jail, y'all know
Speaker 1: what to do. And that is something that's very concerning.
Speaker 1: He said it about house arrests.
Speaker 5: He was like, my followers will not even like they
Speaker 5: won't appreciate me being put on house arrests.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you.
Speaker 3: Then, how do we have a system that is supposed
Speaker 3: to be treating all men women equal under law? Right,
Speaker 3: That's what everyone is expousing, including Mitt Romney. We're all
Speaker 3: equal under the law except when it comes to and
Speaker 3: the judge he even did this, I have to say,
Speaker 3: and it was a disappointing day when I heard him
Speaker 3: say it, like, you keep going against my gag order.
Speaker 3: But it is. It is troubling to me. It brings
Speaker 3: me great pain to have to consider putting you in
Speaker 3: jail as a consequence. Now, if you or I had
Speaker 3: done it, it would have been a completely different story.
Speaker 3: And I understand the dynamics of a former president, But
Speaker 3: the truth of the matter is is when we make
Speaker 3: these kinds of exceptions, it's like completely erasing the idea
Speaker 3: that all men are supposed to be held equal in
Speaker 3: just under the law. And I just finally say that
Speaker 3: there are other countries. They're supposed to be the beacon
Speaker 3: of democracies around the world. There are other countries who
Speaker 3: who are not given that same credit of being beacons
Speaker 3: of democracy, who have done better with reckoning with their
Speaker 3: political leaders than we have. Take even that in Yahoo,
Speaker 3: who we know is going to be now invited to
Speaker 3: speak before the Congress. He has been found guilty, he
Speaker 3: has gone before courts of law, he has been prosecuted.
Speaker 3: You don't see the Israeli people throwing their bodies on
Speaker 3: the ground saying no, you can't take him. I just
Speaker 3: as advanced as we like to think we are as
Speaker 3: a country, Moments like this remind me of what a
Speaker 3: throwback we are. We thought we threw off the yokes
Speaker 3: of a divine ruler and a king in King George, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but this, to me, hearkens back to the divineness of
Speaker 3: a ruler. That, yeah, you can sort of window dress
Speaker 3: like they can be equally accountable. But in reality, of course,
Speaker 3: we can't put them in a prison. Of course, we
Speaker 3: can't strip them of this. Of course, you've got run
Speaker 3: the Sanders willing to turn over the goddamn state to
Speaker 3: make sure this man can vote. Of course, we can't
Speaker 3: have a president not be able to vote for themselves.
Speaker 3: It just you cannot have it both ways. President Biden
Speaker 3: cannot have it both ways. And I'm not even saying
Speaker 3: he's considering this. But if he is, just know, just
Speaker 3: know that you're erasing everything else you said about accountability
Speaker 3: and preserving democracies.
Speaker 1: I mean it comes down to would that cost him
Speaker 1: votes or would that gain him votes? And I think again,
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party has such a heart on for these
Speaker 1: Republican voters that they think, oh, but if I pardon
Speaker 1: you are a king, maybe then those I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he would be doing it for votes. I
Speaker 1: really think that there's something in him, like even knowing
Speaker 1: his role on Senate foreign affairs, like does this weaken
Speaker 1: us in the eyes of the rest of the world
Speaker 1: to have a former president jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an institutionalist. He believes in decorum of places.
Speaker 3: But I also think that the people who are around
Speaker 3: him and advise him are absolutely thinking politically, and I
Speaker 3: think they are wrong. The people who are on their
Speaker 3: publican side are in the middle, who are saying be bigger,
Speaker 3: be magnanimous, and excuse the sins of this president with
Speaker 3: a pardon, are the same people who are believing that
Speaker 3: we're gonna get Nikki Haley voters right.
Speaker 4: Well, and here's what I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 5: This is what I would tell him, Joe Biden, be bigger,
Speaker 5: be better, be best.
Speaker 4: And by that I mean let this go to.
Speaker 5: Jail, Like, if he's committed the crime, let him do
Speaker 5: the times.
Speaker 4: If time is what is normally attributed to the.
Speaker 3: The christology, the person who didn't Michael Cohene get three years,
Speaker 3: he's the lesser offender.
Speaker 5: In this case, right, and it was a slightly different case.
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is I think that whatever the time is, like,
Speaker 5: until that is equally applied across the board to all
Speaker 5: people of all races, of.
Speaker 4: All income levels.
Speaker 5: That's another piece here. That's what needs to happen. Anyway,
Speaker 5: I'm done because Nick held up to ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well I want to ask you something
Speaker 1: about Florida and the whole voting thing. But before we do,
Speaker 1: this is a little parentheses. I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into a whole deep dive on this. Do you guys
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on the whole net and yahoo going
Speaker 1: to Congress?
Speaker 3: You brought it up, Yeah, I mean, I just he's
Speaker 3: a big disappointment. I think he's a big disappointment. I
Speaker 3: don't even know how the Senate Majority leader went along
Speaker 3: with who just stood before I mean, in his own
Speaker 3: writing says this man needs to step down, that he is,
Speaker 3: you know, camouflaged on both his left and his right
Speaker 3: by pure racist in his government, that the atrocities he's
Speaker 3: committed are beyond recovery, and that he should he should
Speaker 3: step down as a leader of the country. And now
Speaker 3: we would extend democracy against beacon podium to him to
Speaker 3: then spew what and then who counters it?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel I feel the same way about
Speaker 3: this potential visit as I did when the Republicans invited
Speaker 3: him when when Barack Obama was president, completely disrespecting exactly.
Speaker 3: But that's where they've gone, right, This isn't the party
Speaker 3: of magnanimity, that isn't the party of good graces and
Speaker 3: commitment to institution. They are How do we get even,
Speaker 3: how do we embarrass them? How do we level them?
Speaker 3: How do we how do we get them at every
Speaker 3: single turn? That's what they do. And then us were
Speaker 3: sitting over here in the baking whether or not this
Speaker 3: now convicted felon should and I don't mean that as
Speaker 3: a pejorative or an insult, but a fact, this now
Speaker 3: convicted felon gets to escape the penalties that come with
Speaker 3: having done the done.
Speaker 1: What he's on behalf of the party of as law
Speaker 1: and order, this party who has ridiculed police who literally
Speaker 1: fought to save their lives on January sixth, have accused
Speaker 1: them of being liars. And now you're saying, yes, we
Speaker 1: have all this evidence that the president, the former president,
Speaker 1: did break the law.
Speaker 3: Not just evident, he is convicted. A jury of his
Speaker 3: peers have sat down, listened to the facts of the case,
Speaker 3: took their jobs very seriously, said same system that I
Speaker 3: went through and others have gone through time and time again,
Speaker 3: where you render yourself unto them for their judgment. And
Speaker 3: now we're saying, Okay, the jury got it wrong. How
Speaker 3: come those twelve brave men and women could have done
Speaker 3: the job that they did, understanding all the dynamics, understanding
Speaker 3: what the presidency of the United States mean, and they
Speaker 3: still were able to assess the facts and reach a
Speaker 3: conclusion unanimously that he broke the law. But we're talking
Speaker 3: about a president, a presidency, senators, leaders who can't do
Speaker 3: the same, who cannot muster the courage of these twelve
Speaker 3: individuals right well to do what they have to do.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you Angela as our resident attorney.
Speaker 1: What women sentencing July eleven? Nice show?
Speaker 4: Also my God, better birthday shout out to keik.
Speaker 3: Also like what three days before the nominating three days
Speaker 3: before the nominating of the Republican Party nominee for president.
Speaker 1: Wow the irony. Des writes itself. Yeah, legally, I guess
Speaker 1: we know that. Can he vote in Florida?
Speaker 3: Apparently Governor Desantans is trying to uh create all kinds
Speaker 3: of new rules policies that nobody has ever heard of before.
Speaker 3: This is his statement. Florida Governor Around de Santan says
Speaker 3: he'll make sure Donald Trump can vote in his home
Speaker 3: state this November despite his felony convictions. Desanta said on
Speaker 3: Friday that he disputes the assessment of some experts who
Speaker 3: say that Trump's conviction of thirty four felon accounts would
Speaker 3: make him in eligible gast votes in the state of Florida. However,
Speaker 3: you can toss to this sounder. I can. But let's
Speaker 3: really assess how this govern before.
Speaker 1: We played the account. I just want to remind our
Speaker 1: listeners because there's so much that has happened since Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's presidency in twenty eighteen, tell me if I have
Speaker 1: my dates right. But Amendment four was passed by the
Speaker 1: voters of Florida, which essentially allowed people winning spell any convictions.
Speaker 1: We prefer to them as returning citizens to cast votes.
Speaker 1: So we all celebrated this victory. We all sell we
Speaker 1: thought this was a good thing. And then afterwards, but.
Speaker 3: It's they can have their rights restored after they have
Speaker 3: been served their time and paid all their restitution.
Speaker 1: Good point. Well, the that's the key part of that
Speaker 1: latter part paid yours to.
Speaker 4: Undo Amendment four.
Speaker 1: That's my point because the paid your restitution pieces Almost
Speaker 1: people were saying, this is like a poll tax because
Speaker 1: the fines, which we'll talk about later with the striverskips,
Speaker 1: but the fines that build up. And so there were
Speaker 1: all these people who had served their time and paid restitution,
Speaker 1: they were the government sent them voter cards, and he
Speaker 1: began arresting these folks. Ye, crackdown, yes on these all
Speaker 1: the issues in Florida. Yeah, the issue for him was
Speaker 1: people casting ballots to vote. Let's take a listen, and
Speaker 1: I want you all to imagine you're going to your car,
Speaker 1: you served your time, You're going to work, and officers
Speaker 1: show up at your house. Let's take a listen to
Speaker 1: when that happened.
Speaker 3: I guess you have a warrant, but what I'm not
Speaker 3: sure voter stuff man.
Speaker 1: Police bodycam video obtained by the Tampa Bay Times shows
Speaker 1: Floridians being arrested for voter fraud.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, right now we're gonna have to take you to
Speaker 2: Dale's Vota fra.
Speaker 1: Fro voting when you're not supposed to serve.
Speaker 6: Because of your sex amendor status.
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be voting.
Speaker 4: Right, voter voter, but I commit no fought.
Speaker 3: Well, so that's the thing. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 3: happened with it, but you do have a warrant.
Speaker 1: That's what it's for.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So that is a video that was obtained by the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Times from August of twenty twenty two, two.
Speaker 3: Am in the morning, banging on, knocking down practically elderly
Speaker 3: you know, people's doors, black women, young men, to tell
Speaker 3: them that they don't have the right to vote. So
Speaker 3: DeSantis is saying he will make sure that Trump doesn't
Speaker 3: have a problem because he's the chairman of the clemency
Speaker 3: board right now in the state of Florida. As a
Speaker 3: result of and prior to amendment for the operating rule
Speaker 3: is in order to get your rights restored as a
Speaker 3: former felon, you must go before the governor and beg
Speaker 3: your heart out before he and his three member cabinet
Speaker 3: to say, can we vote? Can you please restore my rights?
Speaker 3: I did this thirty years ago, and since that time,
Speaker 3: I've been productive in going to church. And a member
Speaker 3: of the cabin had the nerve to say, how often
Speaker 3: have you gone to church? As a follow up. So
Speaker 3: these are the kinds of insulting and dehumanizing kind of
Speaker 3: things that people get put before the clemency board. And
Speaker 3: he says, I'm going to make sure that the clemency
Speaker 3: board clears it so that there's no dispute that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump has his rights. And basically what that means is
Speaker 3: they are going to jump before any sentencing and anything
Speaker 3: else to say, Donald Trump, this individual will have his
Speaker 3: rights in the state of Florida. Bind you. The clemency
Speaker 3: waiting list to get before the governor to ask for
Speaker 3: your rights to be restored is almost a decade long.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: So he's going to leapfrog the process have his rights
Speaker 3: restored by this governor. And this is a governor who
Speaker 3: has made his mark in the state of Florida by
Speaker 3: taking people's rights away.
Speaker 1: Well, if I can no, go ahead, Angelo, just a
Speaker 1: quick question.
Speaker 5: I think one of the things that's fascinating to me
Speaker 5: here is he's been convicted but not yet sentenced in
Speaker 5: New York. I'm fascinated to understand how Ron DeSantis would
Speaker 5: grant him clemency in Florida, or if it's just a
Speaker 5: clemency like an umbrella so that he could at least
Speaker 5: vote there. That's what I'm curious about, because they're not universal.
Speaker 5: If you have to mark like on an applicant, even
Speaker 5: for a job you're if felon is your felony is
Speaker 5: a universal But how does it work when we're talking
Speaker 5: about someone granting clemency in a state where you can't
Speaker 5: be pardoned for a crime that was committed in another state.
Speaker 3: No, he can't pardon him. But because he is the
Speaker 3: clemency board by and large, he and the three members
Speaker 3: of the cabinet, they can apply whatever lens they want to.
Speaker 3: He's trying to remake the law. However, how they have
Speaker 3: applied the law up to this point is not how
Speaker 3: it is being applied. In the case of Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: and I just for him to be willing to go,
Speaker 3: you know, backwards, been over for a person who hasn't waited,
Speaker 3: who had made application for it. He simply said, we're
Speaker 3: about to They're talking about a rig system. Now, that's
Speaker 3: a rigged.
Speaker 1: System right here. It's no secret that I do not
Speaker 1: enjoy talking about Trump, and I think this is one
Speaker 1: of the dangers in centering him in this conversation, because
Speaker 1: he is one individual and I just don't really care
Speaker 1: if he votes or not. Honestly, there are laws in
Speaker 1: forty eight states which returning citizens from voting. To me,
Speaker 1: that's the bigger conversation. Florida leads the nation in sheer
Speaker 1: numbers of people who do that at the hands of
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis in twenty twenty two. As of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: it's four point four million Americans who are disenfranchised because
Speaker 1: of former felony conviction. One in every nineteen Black voters
Speaker 1: are impacted by this. In two states, Alabama and Tennessee,
Speaker 1: more than eight percent of the adult population, that's one
Speaker 1: of every thirteen adults are disenfranchised by this. When we
Speaker 1: focus on Trump, then I think, and that's what the media,
Speaker 1: does we miss all the other things.
Speaker 3: I should think the opposite by focusing on Trump. Their
Speaker 3: argument that he is being bludgeoned by a system that
Speaker 3: is unfair, that is going after him, that creates two
Speaker 3: systems of justice, one that punishes Republicans and Donald Trump
Speaker 3: and presumably the other system that lets everybodbody else walk free,
Speaker 3: is a blatant lie if you look at it. Nobody
Speaker 3: gets to leap frog the process in Florida as it
Speaker 3: relates to getting your rights restored. Nobody is. Nobody is
Speaker 3: singling out the millions of people who you are talking
Speaker 3: about who are experiencing this already. In my belief, I
Speaker 3: think that system of taking people's rights or way in
Speaker 3: this way is corrupt, and it disproportionately affects many of
Speaker 3: the folks that we know and care about in the
Speaker 3: communities we care about. So essentially none of that applies
Speaker 3: to him in this case. But y'all are acting like
Speaker 3: somehow we've created a whole nother punitive system of justice
Speaker 3: just for Republicans and Donald Trump, when these are the
Speaker 3: people who have been the benefactors of the grace of
Speaker 3: the justice system if they ever touched it. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: they ever touched it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think by by centering Trump that
Speaker 1: the Republicans are going to say, oh, you're pointing out
Speaker 1: our hypocrisy, we should change our policy, right.
Speaker 3: And they don't know what hypocrisy is. It's level. The
Speaker 3: word doesn't exist for them, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you might be. I think he might
Speaker 1: be right on that. I actually have some more questions
Speaker 1: about this whole voting issue for both of you, guys,
Speaker 1: But I think we might have to pay some bills.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go to a quick break. But guys,
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, because on the other side of this,
Speaker 1: I have a question for Andrew about voting in Florida
Speaker 1: and a question for Angela about federal charges and voting.
Speaker 1: And I still want to get to this driver driving
Speaker 1: with the suspended license, and so Angela can tell us
Speaker 1: why we were all in the wrong for laughing at that,
Speaker 1: and we don't need to laugh at it anymore. I
Speaker 1: did a little I'm not gonna lie I did a
Speaker 1: little bit. But Andrew mister right, exactly exactly. Yeah, two
Speaker 1: systems to systems anyway, don't go anywhere, guys, We'll be
Speaker 1: right back all right, Welcome back everybody. We're still talking
Speaker 1: about this whole I would say epidemic of people being
Speaker 1: disenfranchised with voting. So I guess my question is I
Speaker 1: think that's a really I hadn't considered that question that
Speaker 1: you asked, because this was a charge out of New York.
Speaker 1: That's a state charge. So I wonder if you know,
Speaker 1: are the people who are disenfranchised in Florida.
Speaker 3: They're asked, have you ever been convicted of a felony,
Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter conviction. Have you ever been convicted
Speaker 3: of a felony charge or conviction? And they don't make
Speaker 3: distinction between whether this was a state or a federal
Speaker 3: felony applications.
Speaker 5: The clemency board, I think to go to on the
Speaker 5: clemency board, I know by application in voting, but I
Speaker 5: just wondering.
Speaker 3: But legal experts in the state disagree with the governor's
Speaker 3: assessment about that. There is mass confusion amongst the people
Speaker 3: who actually do the work of getting these folks re
Speaker 3: enfranchised around whether or not his new advent of the law,
Speaker 3: which is we don't recognize other states based felonies, has
Speaker 3: not been applied.
Speaker 5: Right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's why I was curious. I'm like, doe,
Speaker 5: is there precedence?
Speaker 3: No, there is no precedence, And you have the leading
Speaker 3: groups in the state saying, we don't even know where
Speaker 3: this came from. We don't, we don't. There's no history
Speaker 3: in the state of Florida. This havn't happened. I'm just
Speaker 3: scrolling real quick so I can actually get a quotable here.
Speaker 1: Well, but but why while you're scrolling, I just want
Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to Desmond mead Y,
Speaker 1: who does amazing work in Florida. If you're not familiar
Speaker 1: with him, get into him. But he was a big
Speaker 1: champion of Amendment four. He is a returning citizen. I
Speaker 1: believe he earned his law degree while he was imprisoned.
Speaker 1: But there are people doing amazing work on this issue.
Speaker 1: I also, we've talked a lot about Marilyn Moseby on
Speaker 1: this show when I in full disclosure, I worked on
Speaker 1: her ex husband's campaign for Mayor Nick Moseby. And the
Speaker 1: high amount of returning citizens in Baltimore is so voluminous
Speaker 1: that they are a political body and they actually hold
Speaker 1: mayoral forum. If you want to, you have to cross
Speaker 1: their path when you're trying to achieve something politically, and
Speaker 1: I just think that's amazing to harness that level.
Speaker 3: And they're cling of people who are in jail without
Speaker 3: having been convicted, that have never been organized around voting.
Speaker 3: They can vote from jail if you don't have a phone,
Speaker 3: any conviction, even in the state of Florida. But many
Speaker 3: of these states, what they say, something like half a
Speaker 3: population is sitting in jail having not been found guilty
Speaker 3: of a crime. It's because the system has required them
Speaker 3: to be the here's the quote that I was looking for.
Speaker 3: Nonprofit group that represents felons seeking to restore their voting
Speaker 3: rights disputes the interpretation of the law that DeSantis is applying.
Speaker 3: That group, the Florida Justice Center associated at Desmond me
Speaker 3: noted that the relevant Florida Statute and the state constitution
Speaker 3: provisions do not make quote any such statement or distinction
Speaker 3: regarding out of state convictions. There's nothing in the state
Speaker 3: constitutional statutes. Of course they are and it will be
Speaker 3: unchallenged and it will be applied in this case. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: there are two systems. Adjustice trumps and everybody else's.
Speaker 4: That was my point around clemency.
Speaker 5: It is not normal to be able to take a
Speaker 5: clemency petition before a governor where the crime has not
Speaker 5: been committed in the state. That's so, I was like,
Speaker 5: how does how is he even what clemency is he
Speaker 5: going to offer. It's not a commutation of a sentence,
Speaker 5: it's not a pardon, so what is it? Just forgiveness
Speaker 5: to be able to vote there? Sounds like that's what
Speaker 5: he's going to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, forgiving the elites. They have one objective and they
Speaker 3: really don't care what the method is for getting there.
Speaker 3: They will find their way there and it will be unchallenged.
Speaker 1: Well, you were talking about like it's the bail system
Speaker 1: and that's why there are people sitting in jail right now,
Speaker 1: which I think brings us to our what what angela
Speaker 1: one it has dug into and got some background on so.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 1: Honestly, all I know is this. I saw the clip
Speaker 1: of the guy zooming in the court while driving on
Speaker 1: a suspended license.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything meaning driving fast but using zoom,
Speaker 3: using the tech zoom angel.
Speaker 5: So by now I'm sure many of you all have
Speaker 5: seen a video of a Detroit area man named Corey
Speaker 5: Harris who is driving while appearing virtually ers have said,
Speaker 5: zooming in court for driving with a suspended license. So
Speaker 5: again he's driving, but he's in court for driving with
Speaker 5: the suspended license. So let's take a listen now to
Speaker 5: the viral clip. It's pretty viral now of Judge Cedric
Speaker 5: Simpson's reaction or.
Speaker 8: CAUs case People versus Corey Harris.
Speaker 3: A sister public is under Natalie Kate for mister Harris,
Speaker 3: who should be present.
Speaker 8: In to zoom Mister are you driving, Ashley?
Speaker 9: I'm pulling into my doctor's office. Actually so, so I'll
Speaker 9: just give me one second.
Speaker 8: I'm parking right now, all right, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: You're on a re are respectfully requesting in a German
Speaker 1: in this matter up possibly two or four weeks at
Speaker 1: the court would allow.
Speaker 8: Okay, So maybe I don't understand something. This is the
Speaker 8: driving want of license suspended?
Speaker 4: That is correct your enter and.
Speaker 8: He was just driving and he didn't have a license.
Speaker 8: I don't even know why he would do that. So
Speaker 8: defendant's bond is revoked in this matter, defendant is turned
Speaker 8: himself into the Washington County deal by six pm today.
Speaker 8: Failure to turn himself in will result in the bench
Speaker 8: wart with no bond.
Speaker 5: So you know when you look at this, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be honest with y'all. I sent this clip to Leonard
Speaker 5: and I was like, this clearly needs to be your
Speaker 5: donkey of the day tomorrow. And I sent it last
Speaker 5: week and I don't remember what our conversation was. It
Speaker 5: was we prepped for even just our ever segments and
Speaker 5: all of that, but there was something that made me say,
Speaker 5: you know, there's something deeper about this when we think
Speaker 5: about this man's reaction. If you're driving to the doctor's office,
Speaker 5: probably that probably means there's no other way. You probably
Speaker 5: can't afford an uber. I looked into this case and
Speaker 5: his suspension. His driver's license suspension was actually tied to
Speaker 5: a child support case.
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two. In January twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Two, a judge ordered that that suspension be lifted to
Speaker 5: allow him to drive again. So actually it was from
Speaker 5: twenty twenty the judge lifted it in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5: The license suspension was revoked in January twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: It was filed with the state.
Speaker 5: Government and for whatever there was some clearance paperwork that
Speaker 5: didn't get handled, so it.
Speaker 4: Was never lifted.
Speaker 5: So he had his license restored, but it was never lifted.
Speaker 5: He ended up getting stopped in October of twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three in the Pittsville township and he had to appear
Speaker 5: virtually for a misdemeanor case revolving from that particular traffic
Speaker 5: stop where he was in trouble for driving with the
Speaker 5: suspended license that was not suspended anymore based on that
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two government.
Speaker 4: R Yes, a government air is literally.
Speaker 5: A paperwork error, and at that time he was driving
Speaker 5: his wife to the doctor, so there's some medical issues involved.
Speaker 5: Fast forward to anybody you know in your life who's
Speaker 5: ever been driving with the suspended license or whose license
Speaker 5: got suspended, it is nine times out of ten a
Speaker 5: financial issue child support someone not being able to and
Speaker 5: I'm not you know, poopooing the mothers that need child support,
Speaker 5: but the fact that the government gets involved in this
Speaker 5: way where it would make it more difficult because now
Speaker 5: they got to pay you the fines instead of paying
Speaker 5: for the baby.
Speaker 4: Right, Like, there are these layers and.
Speaker 5: Once you get into that snowball, it just keeps growing,
Speaker 5: growing and growing. No, and it's a stranglehold. So this
Speaker 5: man has literally been penalized based on a paperwork error,
Speaker 5: an administrative error at the state level, and then was
Speaker 5: sent to prison that day. Well jail, Well sure, yes,
Speaker 5: incarceration that day. Incarcerated that day, which is going to
Speaker 5: mean what more fins? Yeah, so more fines for a
Speaker 5: license that was suspended but was reinstated. But then there
Speaker 5: was a misdemeanor based on the prior suspension even though
Speaker 5: that wasn't his error, and he's having to appear in court.
Speaker 4: Which also costs money.
Speaker 5: Like, at some point we have to acknowledge the fact
Speaker 5: that this justice system merely serves those who can afford
Speaker 5: to play ball, and that is really really treacherous.
Speaker 3: So and we supposedly got rid of the debtors court.
Speaker 3: Right from Europe, we throw off the yokes of the
Speaker 3: debtors court that because you couldn't pay certain bills, you
Speaker 3: would have to be incarcerated. And in the US we
Speaker 3: supposedly rid ourselves of the system, except we then created laws, statutes,
Speaker 3: ordinances that just reinforce financial hardship on frankly offenses if
Speaker 3: you will, if you want to call them, that were
Speaker 3: that originated out of financial hardships. So you got a
Speaker 3: hardship you can't pay such and such and such and
Speaker 3: so what do we then do We take your ability
Speaker 3: to drive to your job away from you, the job
Speaker 3: where you can then earn money to pay off the
Speaker 3: fines and whatever else preceded that that's still on your
Speaker 3: on your bill to have to pay for. We've now
Speaker 3: limited you in every single way of being able to
Speaker 3: do that, and we've thrown you into a perpetual debtor
Speaker 3: system because you can't get under you. You just seem
Speaker 3: to never be able to come from under the loads
Speaker 3: and loads of debt that are put on you. In
Speaker 3: so many cases, so many people owe money that is
Speaker 3: way access of what the original burden was because of
Speaker 3: fines and other remittances that have been put put in
Speaker 3: layer on top of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is gonna be a shameless plug. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you guys. I wrote a book some years ago,
Speaker 1: say it Louder Loud and but and research for this book,
Speaker 1: I looked at this issue and in the city of Ferguson, Missouri,
Speaker 1: I found that the city was financing itself with predatory
Speaker 1: practices that disproportionately impacted black folks. In this city, the
Speaker 1: median household income was forty one thousand dollars, and police
Speaker 1: were excessively harassing the citizens, pulling them over for like
Speaker 1: a broken tail light. And how did the so the
Speaker 1: DJ got involved, A Department of Justice got involved, how
Speaker 1: did this even fall on the Department of Justice's radar? Well, police,
Speaker 1: they are shot and unarmed man Michael Brown, which invited
Speaker 1: and invests a federal investigation into the local municipalities and
Speaker 1: their practices. And this is what they uncovered. And in
Speaker 1: a city where, like I said, the median household income
Speaker 1: is very low, a single missed, late, or partial payment
Speaker 1: of a fine, to Angelo's point, mean jail time. In
Speaker 1: one instance this was cited by the DLJ, a Ferguson
Speaker 1: resident was ticketed for parking her car illegally. That single
Speaker 1: infraction ended up costing her more than one thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and six days in jail payments from these types of
Speaker 1: counters and encounters in Ferguson. They were so aggressively that
Speaker 1: outstanding fines and fees made up one fist of Ferguson's
Speaker 1: entire revenue base. That was an eighty percent increase over
Speaker 1: just two years prior. Black folks were funding a system
Speaker 1: that was oppressing them. Now y'all know, Ferguson is not
Speaker 1: specific to.
Speaker 3: That valley America.
Speaker 1: Everywhere across this country there are cities just like this
Speaker 1: where you're impacted by this. I have driven on a
Speaker 1: suspended license before. My mother has driven on a suspect
Speaker 1: shes gonna kill me, but this is when we were
Speaker 1: little sure. But she has driven on a suspended license before.
Speaker 1: I got a boot on my car before. In DC's tickets.
Speaker 3: Get removed, the original ticket fine and the.
Speaker 1: Storage when they told your car exactly right right, And
Speaker 1: these these kind of feeds can compound. And this is
Speaker 1: just me going through this. You imagine a single mother
Speaker 1: with two kids kids want to go on a field
Speaker 1: trip because you know, one hundred whatever dollars or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's really sad to see the way this goes. And
Speaker 1: it's even sad or why this fell on our radar.
Speaker 1: So I really love that you did this, Angelo, because
Speaker 1: I did. I laughed when I saw this guy and
Speaker 1: now you hear the story and it's like with his license,
Speaker 1: it was a government error like.
Speaker 5: His And the other thing that I think is significant
Speaker 5: because we we do do what we try to do
Speaker 5: a good job on this show of telling people how
Speaker 5: to solve for things. Yeah, Michigan does have a program
Speaker 5: called Road to Restoration where they address these these challenges
Speaker 5: where they help people if their licenses have been suspended
Speaker 5: how to get back on their feet. And I think
Speaker 5: those are the kinds of service.
Speaker 3: And is it a nonprofit, No, it's a part.
Speaker 4: Of us actually a government program.
Speaker 5: These are the kinds of programs that we need to
Speaker 5: have in place all over the country to ensure that
Speaker 5: we rectify and right these wrongs.
Speaker 4: Ferguson is not alone to your pain.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And by the way, their local ordinances that they could
Speaker 3: adopt that removes this burden in the first place. Take
Speaker 3: for instance, and most downtowns, whether it is as obvious
Speaker 3: as a government era and trying to get his situation cured,
Speaker 3: and most downtowns where courthouses exist, they know that if
Speaker 3: they had done a parking study that they have, they
Speaker 3: supply one tenth of the parking that is demanded in
Speaker 3: that area. And then you expect these folks to show up,
Speaker 3: be there on time, leave their jobs, be able to park,
Speaker 3: come into the courthouse, do their business, get back out,
Speaker 3: and get back to work, except that you know that
Speaker 3: you have invited them into an environment where only one
Speaker 3: tenth of the parking is available for the demand that
Speaker 3: has had. So you got parking restrictions in a place
Speaker 3: that you cannot possibly facilitate the demand that you're inviting
Speaker 3: into it, and then you penalize those people for a
Speaker 3: problem that you know your government studies already point to
Speaker 3: the fact that it's insufficient public parking, insufficient access for people.
Speaker 3: And now we're going to penalize you. And by the way,
Speaker 3: you relate to court and I'm gonna throw you in
Speaker 3: jail for disrespecting the court or rather the judge or whatever.
Speaker 3: But nobody is interrogating. Nobody's taking the time to ask,
Speaker 3: pull back the layers and ask the question, what, judge,
Speaker 3: do we provide sufficient parking?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know.
Speaker 5: One of the things I was thinking about too is
Speaker 5: growing up, there was a cartoon that I used to
Speaker 5: love to watch called Transformers more than me Ci, more
Speaker 5: than me Ci. And that is normally the case on
Speaker 5: these issues. We are led to believe in media, in print,
Speaker 5: on air that if someone is said to be guilty,
Speaker 5: then they're guilty, and there's no other nuance, no other texture,
Speaker 5: no other context offered. And I think this case is
Speaker 5: a prime example of this. When you just watched that video,
Speaker 5: you're like, I agree with this judge. How dumb can
Speaker 5: this man be? You have no idea all of the things.
Speaker 4: That are there.
Speaker 5: But I thought of you, Chiff, because the media bias
Speaker 5: is real and I had to check my own self
Speaker 5: on this particular.
Speaker 1: But the people who played the clip, like, as journalists,
Speaker 1: I think they owe us viewers, you know, to tell
Speaker 1: us the full, whole.
Speaker 5: Complete story. And every single major network did it right. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so eager to go viral.
Speaker 4: Viral, that's it.
Speaker 1: Many time we have not heard from the viewers yet,
Speaker 1: so I want to exactly. So we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quick break. Don't go anywhere, guys, because right after this
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Speaker 7: Hey, y'all, my name is Chanieri Turner and I currently
Speaker 7: live in Atlanta, Georgia. My question is, can y'all discuss
Speaker 7: the bipartisan invitation from top Senate and House leaders to
Speaker 7: NAT and Yahoo to address Congress after all of the
Speaker 7: devastation and ongoing genocide from Israel's leadership. Why would they
Speaker 7: invite him? And why would they invite a man who
Speaker 7: is currently who currently has an arrest request within the
Speaker 7: ICC for war crimes to speak to the United States. Also,
Speaker 7: which one of y'all are going to check Hakeem Jeffries
Speaker 7: for this little stunt, because this is really starting to
Speaker 7: make me question even the quote unquote liberal or progressive Democrats.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for that question. I love that question,
Speaker 1: So Andrew, I asked you about this, but I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that the viewers are right with us. Angela. I'm
Speaker 1: curious because you've worked on the Hill a long time.
Speaker 1: I just want to point out Congressman Hakim Jefferies is
Speaker 1: not the Speaker of the House. Uh, he's in the minority.
Speaker 1: But I quite honestly haven't followed this particular story closely.
Speaker 1: I do not believe that he invited.
Speaker 4: He did, he joined in the letter.
Speaker 5: You know what I think is so tough and shout
Speaker 5: out to Hakim because that is my friend too. I
Speaker 5: don't know that you become Speaker of the House when
Speaker 5: Democrats get the majority without the support of APEX right
Speaker 5: now as it currently stands in our in the oversize
Speaker 5: just frankly, the oversized role that they play in our
Speaker 5: body politic. I also don't know that you get the
Speaker 5: support even if you don't get a donation from them,
Speaker 5: if you don't demonstrate an unwavering support to Israel having
Speaker 5: a right to defend itself. I don't know though, that
Speaker 5: you have to invite Benjamin net Yahoo to speak before
Speaker 5: or a joint session of Congress, especially given his very
Speaker 5: blatantly racial racist history coming to speak when Barack Obama
Speaker 5: did not invite him. So I just I don't know
Speaker 5: what this what this approach is. I think more than checking,
Speaker 5: I come to this with curiosity, and my question is
Speaker 5: just why, you know, what do you stand to gain
Speaker 5: here given the fact that this is such a treacherous, bloody,
Speaker 5: deadly war that's happening on our watch, And you know,
Speaker 5: are you okay with taking the posture that you're taking.
Speaker 5: You know, when history looks back on this twenty years
Speaker 5: from now, was it worth it? And his calculus may
Speaker 5: be that it was worth it, you know, and and
Speaker 5: it's and it's hard. I think that he is put
Speaker 5: in a precarious position. There are a lot of people
Speaker 5: who look like us, who you know, rise through the
Speaker 5: ranks to become CEOs and major corporations, or to be
Speaker 5: heads of trade associations or to be leaders in in
Speaker 5: the party, and they have to make a lot of
Speaker 5: concessions that I don't think I could write, or.
Speaker 3: Trade offs and some you know, some things you want
Speaker 3: and you have to determine how deep you want to
Speaker 3: stand in it.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's exactly what I mean by the consis Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think for him, he's probably trying to eliminate
Speaker 3: whether we agree with it or not. I think he's
Speaker 3: probably trying to eliminate ciphers that can show up in
Speaker 3: the November election and cost him seats. So trying not
Speaker 3: to make an issue an issue. So if the Jewish
Speaker 3: caucus and those on the Democratic side and the moderate
Speaker 3: wing of the party, frankly it's the mainstream of the
Speaker 3: party because it's it's it's what the president also stands for.
Speaker 3: What he says, we were un you know, deniably stand
Speaker 3: next to our ally Israel and their right to defend themselves.
Speaker 3: And they even rejected the criminal the war Crimes tribunal
Speaker 3: that that has accused net Yahu and his government of
Speaker 3: of crimes against humanity in there and as they ascious war.
Speaker 3: But Hakim does have a difficult job, and I just
Speaker 3: think we have to be careful what our expectations are
Speaker 3: of our leaders in any specific moment when we're thinking
Speaker 3: about the road to the bigger win. And I think
Speaker 3: the bigger win he's looking toward is trying to become
Speaker 3: a Speaker of the House, not for the sake of
Speaker 3: him being speaker, but so the Democratic Party, the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party party's values and positions have the ability to be,
Speaker 3: you know, to carry the day, and right now they can.
Speaker 5: Here is the one thing that I say that's interesting,
Speaker 5: and I think this is a perfect example of what
Speaker 5: he faces. There were four leaders who signed on to
Speaker 5: that letter. Mike Johnson, who is the Speaker, Chuck Schumer,
Speaker 5: who is the majority leader.
Speaker 1: In the Senate. Yes, a Democrat, yes, yes, and Jewish
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 4: Also Jewish and Mitch McConnell and Hakim ms.
Speaker 1: McConnell's still alive.
Speaker 4: Yes, And here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 5: The person who we've spent like the vast majority amount
Speaker 5: of time on this is talking about Hakem. He is
Speaker 5: going to be under the microscope in the fish bowl
Speaker 5: on these issues at every turn because of his role,
Speaker 5: because of his age, and certainly because of his race.
Speaker 5: And I think those are the calculations he constantly has
Speaker 5: to make. It is not fair, and as my friend,
Speaker 5: I do not agree with this one right, but I'm
Speaker 5: just saying it's it is remarkable how much more pressure
Speaker 5: is on them. When mister Cliburn was with, there was
Speaker 5: remarkably like if there was a close vote or a
Speaker 5: lost vote, it was he was with. But also there's
Speaker 5: a whole other leadership is majority leaders anywhere there was
Speaker 5: a majority, I mean a speaker Nancy Pelosi, but it
Speaker 5: would always followup mister Clyburn.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a you know.
Speaker 1: I you know, I think my challenge here and I
Speaker 1: know we're coming up on times. I'll be quick. I
Speaker 1: think as as black people people we who know firsthand
Speaker 1: what it's like to be an oppressed people. And if
Speaker 1: you're making political calculations in the face of forty thousand
Speaker 1: plus dead, mostly women and children, it's hard to reconcile
Speaker 1: those two things. Is your political ambition worth this calculation.
Speaker 1: I have known the Jeffreys family like you for a
Speaker 1: long time. Have always found the entire family to be
Speaker 1: upstanding individuals. And listen, when Congressman Haquen Jeffreys made his
Speaker 1: way to Congress, it was a joyous occasion. I mean,
Speaker 1: he still does like congressman on the corner in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: He you know, we know him. You know he reflects us.
Speaker 1: That does not absolve you from accountability and responsibility and criticism.
Speaker 1: And so we are right to say, hey, you're getting
Speaker 1: this one wrong. And I think to the entire House,
Speaker 1: really house incentive, But to the Congressional Black Caucus, who
Speaker 1: has always worn the banner as the conscience of the Congress,
Speaker 1: it's hard to stand with you guys on this one.
Speaker 1: You know it's hard. Well that's that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: But to the members who you know, the traffic in
Speaker 1: that space, I just I don't like it.
Speaker 3: So we break I interpret this lessons and endorsement of
Speaker 3: being able to speak and more of a how do
Speaker 3: I take this issue off the table? I think, not
Speaker 3: make it controversial. How do we just make this regular
Speaker 3: order and keep it moving now? Whether or not we
Speaker 3: receive it as that is another thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: As as somebody who ran for office, I think you
Speaker 1: have a different lens.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's far beyond his individual ambition. I think
Speaker 3: he has a lot more to do with the party
Speaker 3: is standing and where it wants to be on November six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, Sheenery. I hope that answered your question.
Speaker 1: You guys, please keep sitting in your videos, your comments.
Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. This is your podcast too,
Speaker 1: so welcome home y'all. We love having a seat at
Speaker 1: the table here with you guys. Okay, we have another
Speaker 1: question that I want to get to Darren Keith. Darren,
Speaker 1: you talk about what.
Speaker 9: Is going on good people over Native Lampard. Darren Keith
Speaker 9: here from Florida. I got a quick question for Tiffany.
Speaker 9: You say that you read eight newspapers a day. So
Speaker 9: my two questions is number one, which newspapers that you
Speaker 9: read every day? And number two, do you have the
Speaker 9: paper edition or is it digital or do you have both?
Speaker 9: And if you can list them. I would truly appreciate it. Again,
Speaker 9: I appreciate you three. You all are the best if
Speaker 9: I had any siblings. I'm an only child, but if
Speaker 9: I did have any siblings, you three would definitely be
Speaker 9: my brother and sisters. So take it easy.
Speaker 3: We love it, love it, we love it, We love it.
Speaker 1: You are our brother there, and you are our brother.
Speaker 1: He is our brother.
Speaker 5: Tell you yeah, I feel like he might work for
Speaker 5: the tree conservationists and he's trying to see you really
Speaker 5: reading eight newspaper copies a day. He got to protest.
Speaker 1: Joe ass siblings sibling moment. So I actually am all digital.
Speaker 1: But it was a hard fight for me because when
Speaker 1: I first started out in newsrooms, there were hard papers there,
Speaker 1: so it took a while for me to convert to
Speaker 1: digital papers. But I will be really quickly because we're
Speaker 1: coming up on time. I have a whole like morning routine,
Speaker 1: so I always start out with The Times New York Times.
Speaker 1: I recover to cover I don't. I try not to skip.
Speaker 1: I do skip a lot of Trump stuff in transparency,
Speaker 1: but I know, I know my colleagues will keep me.
Speaker 1: It was normally a one above the fold. It is true.
Speaker 1: And then after the Times, I go to The Post,
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, and I read those are the two
Speaker 1: that I read cover to cover, after those who are
Speaker 1: pretty heady. So then after that I read The Atlantic,
Speaker 1: not cover to cover, but usually on the digital page
Speaker 1: of the Atlantic. They'll do like throwback articles that are
Speaker 1: still very relevant. It's not always so political, it's just
Speaker 1: interesting things. After that, I go to Al Jazeera English
Speaker 1: because I like, you know, to get a global perspective.
Speaker 1: BBC to a lesser degree, they tend to skew a
Speaker 1: little conservative. Sometimes vox is great. They do deep dives
Speaker 1: into the things that are not always political, but sometimes
Speaker 1: they are the Hill. I do the Hill to see
Speaker 1: what if there's anything interesting happening on the Hill. They
Speaker 1: also have little segments on the Hill. The economists have
Speaker 1: some good reads. And then I try to read a
Speaker 1: local paper. These are I made, you know, switch, but
Speaker 1: I typically read the Atlanta Journal, Constitution a jac Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll read the Dallas Morning News. Sometimes I'll do the
Speaker 1: Chicago sometimes, and honestly, I have a subscription to the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. I try to read the Journal. I
Speaker 1: don't always understand it, but I will read the op
Speaker 1: ed pages of the journal. But honestly, I try to
Speaker 1: read financial news, and my agent says to me one time,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about you. You can talk about anything unless
Speaker 1: they're like, we want to talk about the European market,
Speaker 1: so I would be terrified. I can't really under stand
Speaker 1: financial news as well as I would like. And then
Speaker 1: I try to get my niche media in there, so
Speaker 1: I'll look at the Grio. Michael Harriet is a great columnist.
Speaker 1: I love to read his columns, and I think that's
Speaker 1: about it, but these things change. I rarely read political
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll do axios if they have something interesting, but
Speaker 1: I don't do that every morning. I could skip it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That may have been more than eight,
Speaker 1: may have been less than eight, but typically sometimes it
Speaker 1: could be ten, sometimes it could be six. But I
Speaker 1: have a pretty I hope eclectic news diet. And thank
Speaker 1: you for that question. It's digital. I appreciate the question
Speaker 1: for thee I do not read. Yeah, I do read
Speaker 1: La Times sometimes, but yeah, just because I do feel
Speaker 1: like the West Coast gets left out of a lot
Speaker 1: of coverage because the East all the it's all headquartered
Speaker 1: on the East Coast and you do like you don't
Speaker 1: hear a lot about things, or if you do, it's
Speaker 1: from like a very East Coast perspective, you know, especially
Speaker 1: when Karen Bass was running from mayor, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, we need to have more of that. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I hope that answers your question. I'm sure I've left things.
Speaker 3: Out local papers. I don't know how you view local.
Speaker 1: Well, I said I read, Yeah, I just.
Speaker 3: Well, you got the Washington Post.
Speaker 1: No, I just said I'd like to read local papers.
Speaker 1: I'll read the Atlanta Journal, I'll read the Dallas Morning News,
Speaker 1: or you know, I switch it up sometimes of the Chicago sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm my bad for not listening.
Speaker 3: I thought. The only questionary note about many of the
Speaker 3: local pieces is that so much of it is owned by.
Speaker 1: Saint Clair Broadcast. Yeah, there's a lot of conservative all yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which you know, on one hand, it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: want the media decentralized. On the other hand, when these
Speaker 1: conservative monopolies buy it up the Baltimore Sun, who was
Speaker 1: very unfair to Marilyn Moseby and in Baltimore, you have
Speaker 1: to know that's the hard part about your news die.
Speaker 1: You want to know who owns this, what's their interest
Speaker 1: in some of these things. So it's unfortunate, but print
Speaker 1: drives broadcast. Folks know that people are upreading the wires.
Speaker 1: That drives broadcast. But I encourage people to read more
Speaker 1: global news because it's a lot of interesting things happening.
Speaker 1: All right, we're way over time. Thank you for that question.
Speaker 1: Keep sending your questions. We will try to get to
Speaker 1: all of them if we can. And welcome home to
Speaker 1: our native land family. We love hearing from you guys,
Speaker 1: and our new brother, our new brother, mister Darren Keith.
Speaker 1: That's our own sibling, our new sibling. All right, we're
Speaker 1: going to take a quick break. On the other side
Speaker 1: of this break, we got calls to action. Instead'll go anywhere.
Speaker 1: We'll see you on the other body.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, well, come, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we are back with I think one
Speaker 3: of the more impactful parts of the show. What are
Speaker 3: our calls to action? Tiff? Since you've been hosting us
Speaker 3: carrying the show, you can start her. What's up? What
Speaker 3: do you want to do?
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of already gave it, but
Speaker 1: I would just encourage people to read global news, some
Speaker 1: global news outlets, because we could do eight shows back
Speaker 1: to back to back just on what's happening in the
Speaker 1: rest of the world that we don't get to talk
Speaker 1: a lot about here. So that would be my call
Speaker 1: to action. Get off Instagram and you know, read some
Speaker 1: some global.
Speaker 3: News, some primary sources.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: There's a thought is different this week.
Speaker 5: I am really struggling just with my own self on
Speaker 5: how to encourage people to get out and vote in
Speaker 5: an election that is as treacherous as this one is,
Speaker 5: when folks are feeling so torn and emotional about it.
Speaker 5: And so there was a question that came up in
Speaker 5: the interview with Governor Shapiro who said that he was,
Speaker 5: you know, all the way aligned with President Biden. And
Speaker 5: I think we do spend a lot of time talking
Speaker 5: about what is wrong with Donald Trump and not a
Speaker 5: lot of time talking about what is right with the
Speaker 5: Biden Here's ticket. And so am I call to actually
Speaker 5: would be go, if you're someone who knows who you're
Speaker 5: voting for and why, and it's the Biden Hair's ticket,
Speaker 5: go and tell people proactively what they've done that you
Speaker 5: are proud of, that you align with that makes you
Speaker 5: want to go out and support them, And my obligation
Speaker 5: would be to come back to you all and tell
Speaker 5: you why I'm going to do that next.
Speaker 1: Can they tell us yeah, video, Yeah, I would leve
Speaker 1: for us why you're voting for who you're voting for? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: I do too. So in the wake of the Trump
Speaker 3: convictions in his establishment as a as a as a felon,
Speaker 3: I just want to caution us, particularly on the left,
Speaker 3: against making the term felon a pejorative and sort of
Speaker 3: turning this thing into some sort of insult against people
Speaker 3: who have who have had felony charges. I think we
Speaker 3: might be trying to insult him inadvertently creating common cause
Speaker 3: between him and other people. And as we've said before
Speaker 3: in other shows, there's no common cause in these experiences,
Speaker 3: you know, with the exception of the fact that he
Speaker 3: doesn't think he should have one, which may be what
Speaker 3: we all share. You know, many of us share that
Speaker 3: you you shouldn't have one either, But his experience, the
Speaker 3: way he's navigated again, he's only turned against this system
Speaker 3: because it's expedient for him. But this is the same
Speaker 3: system that has protected him for decades. His father for decades,
Speaker 3: and so I just want to caution us around our
Speaker 3: language that in our effort to insult him, to diminish him,
Speaker 3: that we be careful not to really be harmful to
Speaker 3: a lot of people in our community. By bye bye,
Speaker 3: By co listing the two of them together, they're not
Speaker 3: the same, the experiences are not the same, and we're
Speaker 3: not forever measured by our worst days.
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