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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty two of native

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Speaker 1: Land Pod where we give it to you straight, no chaser.

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Speaker 1: We are your host, Tiffany Cross, the gorgeous Anger Will Ride,

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Speaker 1: the handsome Dell Andrew Andrew Gillman is not thrown a

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Speaker 1: lot of shade today.

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Speaker 3: I haven't not tell me I look lubricated. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: I think you look good, moist Ride.

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Speaker 1: I was giving Andrew like oils, you know, our oils

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Speaker 1: that we used. I was giving them for every.

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Speaker 3: Oil, every oil I put on, palm all of I

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Speaker 3: put onurgent.

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Speaker 4: And take that out because y'all have not endorsed them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they ain't get no free every sounds like he

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Speaker 1: was I think he was saying palm oil.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was.

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Speaker 4: Lord, Lord, that's a branch.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but

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Speaker 1: Angela joined us a little party because you were interviewing someone.

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Speaker 1: Can I say, can we talk about it?

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Speaker 4: I think so?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Nanda was interviewing the governor of Pennsylvania this morning

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Speaker 1: for the Breakfast Club, which I'm looking forward to tuning

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Speaker 1: into that interview. As you know, Pennsylvania is a swing state.

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Speaker 1: Can you give us anything about the interview?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I had a great question that came from our

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Speaker 5: dear sister Tiffany Cross, and I got to tie in

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Speaker 5: my favorite sitcom right now, Abbot Elementary.

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Speaker 4: So shout out to you that.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Quincy Brentson, and shout out to you

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Speaker 1: doing the interview. But anyway, do we know when it's

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Speaker 1: gonna air?

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Speaker 5: I hope by the time this podcast drops, I will

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Speaker 5: tell you. Andrew and I were talking on side. I

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Speaker 5: think he definitely has an it factor that's missing.

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Speaker 3: From the are we able to name check him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Governor Shapiro. We didn't say that, sorry, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No. I think I think he has what

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Speaker 3: it takes to go all the way if he if

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Speaker 3: he chooses, and obviously he's got to continue to do

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Speaker 3: a good job at the job that he has. But

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Speaker 3: assuming that all works, I think the guy has really strong,

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Speaker 3: hopefully aspirations toward toward toward the White House.

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Speaker 4: I would like to see you guys on a ticket.

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, this well anyway to the point, I think,

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Speaker 3: to the point, he's got a very he's got a

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Speaker 3: very very state.

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Speaker 1: I would like you to address point a lot.

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Speaker 3: He's got a big as the question that h that

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Speaker 3: that has to balance. No, listen, y'all, he's got to

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Speaker 3: balance a lot of different demographics. And I actually think

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Speaker 3: you presented a fact before that I didn't know, which

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Speaker 3: was that the majority of insurrectionist who participated in the

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Speaker 3: January sixth attacks on the US Capitol. You brought it up,

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Speaker 3: you're right, but you brought it up before this. That's

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Speaker 3: that says something, y'all, that this democratic governor was able

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Speaker 3: to compete there. Yeah, when in the same cycle that

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Speaker 3: that uh, Joe Biden was able to pull that state,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully they'll be able to work together to pull

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Speaker 3: another miracle out of Pensylvania.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see. We'll stay tuned.

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Speaker 5: But I just want to note that you still so

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Speaker 5: now when people I just want you guys to know this.

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Speaker 5: When you guys get mad that I cut Andrew off,

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Speaker 5: I'm always on his case.

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Speaker 4: You see. He won't answer my question.

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Speaker 1: Well, honestly, as a lot of the comments always talk

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Speaker 1: about you running. When are you going to run again?

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Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well it's a good thing that that's not one of

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Speaker 3: today's topics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's get to today's comics then, rude anyway,

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Speaker 1: all right, Andrew, you wanted to get to this week's topics. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't be the top of mine. I beg your pardon.

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Speaker 4: I said he doesn't want to be.

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Speaker 1: No, I beg you what Trump to say to Biden.

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Speaker 1: I've planned that yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I was ready. I wasn't ready, thank.

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Speaker 1: You anyway, but he better not. We'll get into that,

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Speaker 1: and that's going to be the first topic we get into.

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Speaker 1: And just to be clear, I want people to understand

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about the thirty four counts he was

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Speaker 1: just found guilty though their state charges, Biden cannot issue

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Speaker 1: a part in there. We're talking about the rest of

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Speaker 1: the charges, the federal charges that he faces. Also, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get into this. Can he even vote because

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Speaker 1: he's a convicted felon?

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Speaker 3: Now, well, he's a convicted felon who lives in the

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Speaker 3: state of Florida some of the most restricted voting rights.

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Speaker 1: We should talk about that. I wanted to get into that.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of folks getting arrested, I know by now

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Speaker 1: everyone has seen the guy driving with the suspended license

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Speaker 1: zoomed into court. And yes, I laughed attitude. But Angela,

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Speaker 1: I know you say this is no laughing matter.

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Speaker 5: I laughed first too, But I guess there's some other

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Speaker 5: there are some other things that we need to discuss

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Speaker 5: this result.

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Speaker 1: Were it well, Angela like dug into it, and there's

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Speaker 1: I honestly didn't. I just looked at the video and

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Speaker 1: moved past it. But there's apparently a backstory. So you're

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Speaker 1: gonna tell us about that. What it happened was, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about that, But you guys know,

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Speaker 1: I like to throw it back before we toss it forward.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is my two lettle listen, get

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Speaker 1: your minds out the gutter. That wasn't a double onside

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Speaker 1: there wait a minute, But when we haven't said any words, Andrew, I.

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Speaker 5: Think once upon a time and a debate, you said

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Speaker 5: a hit dog. Well yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, do you guys know.

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Speaker 1: On June sixth in nineteen eighty four, Tetris wasn't vincent?

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Speaker 1: This is yes, yes, this is it was like super popular.

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Speaker 1: It was super popular nineteen eighty four. It was super

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Speaker 1: popular the roads kids.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know that's true. We just shouting out brands

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Speaker 4: they haven't sponsored us.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe this would be an okay.

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Speaker 1: Yes, anyway, it was popular among kids in Texas and Texas.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I even finished.

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Speaker 4: She met Tetris.

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Speaker 1: That happens when you throw it back too far, your

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Speaker 1: words too hard, moving past it, you know, you see, y'all,

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Speaker 1: I'm moving past it. The other thing there. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be disappointed because

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about sports on this show. So I

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Speaker 1: don't want to disappoint my sports fans. On this day.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen forty six, the National Basketball Association was founded

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Speaker 1: on June sixth, nineteen forty six. So that's my little

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Speaker 1: sports as a sports expert. That's my little sports knowledge.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of basketball, now that we do it back, Nick,

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Speaker 1: make like a Jason Tatum and dust that beat on us.

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Speaker 1: I got all my sport for everss today.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, very well researched.

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Speaker 6: Had I been President Biden when the Justice Department brought

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Speaker 6: an indictment, so I would have immediately pardoned him. I

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Speaker 6: had to pardon President Trump. Why oh, because it makes

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Speaker 6: me President Biden the big guy and the person I

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Speaker 6: pardoned the little guy.

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Speaker 3: Oh please?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this our viewers know. That was Senator Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 1: a Republican senator from Utah, in conversation on one of

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Speaker 1: the Sunday shows giving his recommendations on Biden. Honestly, Angeliae

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Speaker 1: suggested that we talk about this. I didn't even think

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Speaker 1: this was a question. I knew that the right had

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Speaker 1: been saying this. I don't understand it. And just a reminder,

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Speaker 1: I know we said this in the open, but just again,

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Speaker 1: the president cannot pardon Donald Trump from any state charges either.

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Speaker 1: Are just the federal charges, not the criminal charges that

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Speaker 1: he was just found guilty of we'll see about sentencing

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Speaker 1: with that, but the remaining federal charges, do any of

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Speaker 1: us think that Biden should offer a pardon?

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Speaker 5: Okay, before we do this, because we were just talking

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Speaker 5: about poles last week. I want to just do a

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Speaker 5: focused group pole really quick, and I want you guys

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Speaker 5: to tell me yes or no. If Mitt Romney would

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Speaker 5: have won the twenty twelve election and Obama was charged,

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Speaker 5: do we think that Mitt Romney would.

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Speaker 4: Have pardoned Barack Obama?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know because I do find that of the

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Speaker 1: Republican bunch, Mitt Romney is certainly problematic, and I think

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Speaker 1: like ignorant to a lot of issues. I don't find

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Speaker 1: him to be a malicious person. I think he's truly

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Speaker 1: ignorant to a lot of our issues. So you hear, yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's keep going.

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Speaker 5: Do we think that if Hillary Clinton would have been

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Speaker 5: charged when Donald Trump won in twenty sixteen, that he

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Speaker 5: would have pardoned Hillary Clinton?

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Speaker 1: Donald say, Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: Would Donald Trump have pardoned Hillary Clinton?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Okay, he would have brought back public hangings

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Speaker 1: on the White House.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump would have been charged under a Barack Obama administration.

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Speaker 1: Do we think that Barack Obama would have partnered on

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Speaker 1: now that is possible. I think that's a yes.

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Speaker 4: So here's that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely would have.

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Speaker 4: But this is where I wanted to go.

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Speaker 5: Here is my thing and my biggest issue, my biggest

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Speaker 5: gripe right now with the Democratic Party. We do not

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Speaker 5: take hard lines on in the sand for like righteousness.

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Speaker 5: There's still this this this pull to want to win

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Speaker 5: people over and to demonstrate that we can be the

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Speaker 5: party of civility and you know, the one that galvanizes everyone,

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Speaker 5: and I actually really respect that that's a thing.

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Speaker 4: However, I think there are some moments, like.

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Speaker 5: I don't know right now, the middle of a political war,

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Speaker 5: where that has to kind of go by the wayside.

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Speaker 5: I think that what you're seeing mostly from Joe Biden

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Speaker 5: is someone who harkens back to the days where he

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Speaker 5: could sit down and have lunch with strong thermat you know,

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Speaker 5: where he could you know, we've been.

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Speaker 4: In in the Obama administration where he could.

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Speaker 5: The beer some where they could do all these things

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Speaker 5: where they remember goodness and they could find something to

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Speaker 5: hang their hats on about why we are great uniters

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Speaker 5: and not dividers, and I think they're constantly trying to

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Speaker 5: prove that at our own, at our expense, and that

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Speaker 5: is one of the This is why I think that

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Speaker 5: it is highly likely that Joe Biden would pardon Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: So I follow you and agree with you up to

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Speaker 3: this point, which is that grace it seems from Democrats

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Speaker 3: tends to only extend to Republicans. Yes, the same grace

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Speaker 3: that we would extend to a Donald Trump, who is now,

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Speaker 3: you know, hard as a criminal, we would not extend

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Speaker 5: This is what happened with Richard Nixon. He's proactively pardoned.

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Speaker 3: It just you cannot have it both ways. President Biden

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an institutionalist. He believes in decorum of places.

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Speaker 3: we're gonna get Nikki Haley voters right.

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Speaker 4: Well, and here's what I'm gonna tell you.

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Speaker 5: This is what I would tell him, Joe Biden, be bigger,

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Speaker 4: And by that I mean let this go to.

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Speaker 3: You brought it up, Yeah, I mean, I just he's

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: Not just evident, he is convicted. A jury of his

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you Angela as our resident attorney.

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Speaker 1: What women sentencing July eleven? Nice show?

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Speaker 4: Also my God, better birthday shout out to keik.

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Speaker 3: Also like what three days before the nominating three days

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Speaker 1: Wow the irony. Des writes itself. Yeah, legally, I guess

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Speaker 3: Apparently Governor Desantans is trying to uh create all kinds

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Speaker 3: This is his statement. Florida Governor Around de Santan says

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Speaker 1: We played the account. I just want to remind our

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Speaker 1: We prefer to them as returning citizens to cast votes.

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Speaker 1: So we all celebrated this victory. We all sell we

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Speaker 3: It's they can have their rights restored after they have

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Speaker 4: Undo Amendment four.

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Speaker 1: That's my point because the paid your restitution pieces Almost

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Speaker 1: the fines, which we'll talk about later with the striverskips,

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Speaker 1: but the fines that build up. And so there were

441
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Speaker 1: all these people who had served their time and paid restitution,

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Speaker 1: they were the government sent them voter cards, and he

443
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Speaker 1: began arresting these folks. Ye, crackdown, yes on these all

444
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Speaker 1: the issues in Florida. Yeah, the issue for him was

445
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Speaker 1: people casting ballots to vote. Let's take a listen, and

446
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Speaker 1: I want you all to imagine you're going to your car,

447
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Speaker 1: you served your time, You're going to work, and officers

448
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Speaker 1: show up at your house. Let's take a listen to

449
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Speaker 1: when that happened.

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Speaker 3: I guess you have a warrant, but what I'm not

451
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Speaker 3: sure voter stuff man.

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Speaker 1: Police bodycam video obtained by the Tampa Bay Times shows

453
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Speaker 1: Floridians being arrested for voter fraud.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, right now we're gonna have to take you to

455
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Speaker 2: Dale's Vota fra.

456
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Speaker 1: Fro voting when you're not supposed to serve.

457
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Speaker 6: Because of your sex amendor status.

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Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be voting.

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Speaker 4: Right, voter voter, but I commit no fought.

460
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Speaker 3: Well, so that's the thing. I don't know exactly what

461
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: happened with it, but you do have a warrant.

462
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Speaker 1: That's what it's for.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So that is a video that was obtained by the

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Times from August of twenty twenty two, two.

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Speaker 3: Am in the morning, banging on, knocking down practically elderly

467
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: you know, people's doors, black women, young men, to tell

468
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: them that they don't have the right to vote. So

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Speaker 3: DeSantis is saying he will make sure that Trump doesn't

470
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Speaker 3: have a problem because he's the chairman of the clemency

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Speaker 3: board right now in the state of Florida. As a

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Speaker 3: result of and prior to amendment for the operating rule

473
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Speaker 3: is in order to get your rights restored as a

474
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Speaker 3: former felon, you must go before the governor and beg

475
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Speaker 3: your heart out before he and his three member cabinet

476
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Speaker 3: to say, can we vote? Can you please restore my rights?

477
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Speaker 3: I did this thirty years ago, and since that time,

478
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Speaker 3: I've been productive in going to church. And a member

479
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Speaker 3: of the cabin had the nerve to say, how often

480
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 3: have you gone to church? As a follow up. So

481
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Speaker 3: these are the kinds of insulting and dehumanizing kind of

482
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Speaker 3: things that people get put before the clemency board. And

483
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Speaker 3: he says, I'm going to make sure that the clemency

484
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Speaker 3: board clears it so that there's no dispute that Donald

485
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Speaker 3: Trump has his rights. And basically what that means is

486
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Speaker 3: they are going to jump before any sentencing and anything

487
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 3: else to say, Donald Trump, this individual will have his

488
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 3: rights in the state of Florida. Bind you. The clemency

489
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: waiting list to get before the governor to ask for

490
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: your rights to be restored is almost a decade long.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So he's going to leapfrog the process have his rights

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Speaker 3: restored by this governor. And this is a governor who

494
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Speaker 3: has made his mark in the state of Florida by

495
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Speaker 3: taking people's rights away.

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Speaker 1: Well, if I can no, go ahead, Angelo, just a

497
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Speaker 1: quick question.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the things that's fascinating to me

499
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Speaker 5: here is he's been convicted but not yet sentenced in

500
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Speaker 5: New York. I'm fascinated to understand how Ron DeSantis would

501
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Speaker 5: grant him clemency in Florida, or if it's just a

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Speaker 5: clemency like an umbrella so that he could at least

503
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Speaker 5: vote there. That's what I'm curious about, because they're not universal.

504
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Speaker 5: If you have to mark like on an applicant, even

505
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 5: for a job you're if felon is your felony is

506
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Speaker 5: a universal But how does it work when we're talking

507
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Speaker 5: about someone granting clemency in a state where you can't

508
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Speaker 5: be pardoned for a crime that was committed in another state.

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Speaker 3: No, he can't pardon him. But because he is the

510
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: clemency board by and large, he and the three members

511
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: of the cabinet, they can apply whatever lens they want to.

512
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: He's trying to remake the law. However, how they have

513
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: applied the law up to this point is not how

514
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: it is being applied. In the case of Donald Trump,

515
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Speaker 3: and I just for him to be willing to go,

516
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, backwards, been over for a person who hasn't waited,

517
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Speaker 3: who had made application for it. He simply said, we're

518
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 3: about to They're talking about a rig system. Now, that's

519
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: a rigged.

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Speaker 1: System right here. It's no secret that I do not

521
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: enjoy talking about Trump, and I think this is one

522
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Speaker 1: of the dangers in centering him in this conversation, because

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Speaker 1: he is one individual and I just don't really care

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Speaker 1: if he votes or not. Honestly, there are laws in

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00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: forty eight states which returning citizens from voting. To me,

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00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: that's the bigger conversation. Florida leads the nation in sheer

527
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Speaker 1: numbers of people who do that at the hands of

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis in twenty twenty two. As of twenty twenty two,

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00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: it's four point four million Americans who are disenfranchised because

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00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: of former felony conviction. One in every nineteen Black voters

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Speaker 1: are impacted by this. In two states, Alabama and Tennessee,

532
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: more than eight percent of the adult population, that's one

533
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Speaker 1: of every thirteen adults are disenfranchised by this. When we

534
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: focus on Trump, then I think, and that's what the media,

535
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: does we miss all the other things.

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Speaker 3: I should think the opposite by focusing on Trump. Their

537
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: argument that he is being bludgeoned by a system that

538
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: is unfair, that is going after him, that creates two

539
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: systems of justice, one that punishes Republicans and Donald Trump

540
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Speaker 3: and presumably the other system that lets everybodbody else walk free,

541
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 3: is a blatant lie if you look at it. Nobody

542
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: gets to leap frog the process in Florida as it

543
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: relates to getting your rights restored. Nobody is. Nobody is

544
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: singling out the millions of people who you are talking

545
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: about who are experiencing this already. In my belief, I

546
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: think that system of taking people's rights or way in

547
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: this way is corrupt, and it disproportionately affects many of

548
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: the folks that we know and care about in the

549
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 3: communities we care about. So essentially none of that applies

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00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: to him in this case. But y'all are acting like

551
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: somehow we've created a whole nother punitive system of justice

552
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: just for Republicans and Donald Trump, when these are the

553
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: people who have been the benefactors of the grace of

554
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: the justice system if they ever touched it. Yeah, if

555
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: they ever touched it.

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00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think by by centering Trump that

557
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: the Republicans are going to say, oh, you're pointing out

558
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: our hypocrisy, we should change our policy, right.

559
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: And they don't know what hypocrisy is. It's level. The

560
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: word doesn't exist for them, in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you might be. I think he might

562
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: be right on that. I actually have some more questions

563
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: about this whole voting issue for both of you, guys,

564
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: But I think we might have to pay some bills.

565
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go to a quick break. But guys,

566
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, because on the other side of this,

567
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: I have a question for Andrew about voting in Florida

568
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: and a question for Angela about federal charges and voting.

569
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: And I still want to get to this driver driving

570
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: with the suspended license, and so Angela can tell us

571
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: why we were all in the wrong for laughing at that,

572
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: and we don't need to laugh at it anymore. I

573
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: did a little I'm not gonna lie I did a

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00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: little bit. But Andrew mister right, exactly exactly. Yeah, two

575
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: systems to systems anyway, don't go anywhere, guys, We'll be

576
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: right back all right, Welcome back everybody. We're still talking

577
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Speaker 1: about this whole I would say epidemic of people being

578
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: disenfranchised with voting. So I guess my question is I

579
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: think that's a really I hadn't considered that question that

580
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: you asked, because this was a charge out of New York.

581
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: That's a state charge. So I wonder if you know,

582
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: are the people who are disenfranchised in Florida.

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00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: They're asked, have you ever been convicted of a felony,

584
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter conviction. Have you ever been convicted

585
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 3: of a felony charge or conviction? And they don't make

586
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: distinction between whether this was a state or a federal

587
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: felony applications.

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Speaker 5: The clemency board, I think to go to on the

589
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 5: clemency board, I know by application in voting, but I

590
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 5: just wondering.

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Speaker 3: But legal experts in the state disagree with the governor's

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00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: assessment about that. There is mass confusion amongst the people

593
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: who actually do the work of getting these folks re

594
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: enfranchised around whether or not his new advent of the law,

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00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: which is we don't recognize other states based felonies, has

596
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: not been applied.

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Speaker 5: Right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's why I was curious. I'm like, doe,

598
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 5: is there precedence?

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00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: No, there is no precedence, And you have the leading

600
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: groups in the state saying, we don't even know where

601
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: this came from. We don't, we don't. There's no history

602
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: in the state of Florida. This havn't happened. I'm just

603
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: scrolling real quick so I can actually get a quotable here.

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Speaker 1: Well, but but why while you're scrolling, I just want

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00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to Desmond mead Y,

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00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: who does amazing work in Florida. If you're not familiar

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00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: with him, get into him. But he was a big

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00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: champion of Amendment four. He is a returning citizen. I

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00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: believe he earned his law degree while he was imprisoned.

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Speaker 1: But there are people doing amazing work on this issue.

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Speaker 1: I also, we've talked a lot about Marilyn Moseby on

612
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: this show when I in full disclosure, I worked on

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Speaker 1: her ex husband's campaign for Mayor Nick Moseby. And the

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00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: high amount of returning citizens in Baltimore is so voluminous

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00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: that they are a political body and they actually hold

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00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: mayoral forum. If you want to, you have to cross

617
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: their path when you're trying to achieve something politically, and

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00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I just think that's amazing to harness that level.

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Speaker 3: And they're cling of people who are in jail without

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00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: having been convicted, that have never been organized around voting.

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Speaker 3: They can vote from jail if you don't have a phone,

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00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: any conviction, even in the state of Florida. But many

623
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: of these states, what they say, something like half a

624
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: population is sitting in jail having not been found guilty

625
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 3: of a crime. It's because the system has required them

626
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: to be the here's the quote that I was looking for.

627
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: Nonprofit group that represents felons seeking to restore their voting

628
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: rights disputes the interpretation of the law that DeSantis is applying.

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Speaker 3: That group, the Florida Justice Center associated at Desmond me

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00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: noted that the relevant Florida Statute and the state constitution

631
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: provisions do not make quote any such statement or distinction

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00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: regarding out of state convictions. There's nothing in the state

633
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: constitutional statutes. Of course they are and it will be

634
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: unchallenged and it will be applied in this case. So, yeah,

635
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: there are two systems. Adjustice trumps and everybody else's.

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Speaker 4: That was my point around clemency.

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00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 5: It is not normal to be able to take a

638
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 5: clemency petition before a governor where the crime has not

639
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: been committed in the state. That's so, I was like,

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00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 5: how does how is he even what clemency is he

641
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 5: going to offer. It's not a commutation of a sentence,

642
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 5: it's not a pardon, so what is it? Just forgiveness

643
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 5: to be able to vote there? Sounds like that's what

644
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 5: he's going to do.

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, forgiving the elites. They have one objective and they

646
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: really don't care what the method is for getting there.

647
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: They will find their way there and it will be unchallenged.

648
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: Well, you were talking about like it's the bail system

649
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: and that's why there are people sitting in jail right now,

650
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: which I think brings us to our what what angela

651
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: one it has dug into and got some background on so.

652
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: All.

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00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Honestly, all I know is this. I saw the clip

654
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: of the guy zooming in the court while driving on

655
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Speaker 1: a suspended license.

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00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: I don't know anything meaning driving fast but using zoom,

657
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: using the tech zoom angel.

658
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 5: So by now I'm sure many of you all have

659
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: seen a video of a Detroit area man named Corey

660
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: Harris who is driving while appearing virtually ers have said,

661
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 5: zooming in court for driving with a suspended license. So

662
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 5: again he's driving, but he's in court for driving with

663
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 5: the suspended license. So let's take a listen now to

664
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 5: the viral clip. It's pretty viral now of Judge Cedric

665
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 5: Simpson's reaction or.

666
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 8: CAUs case People versus Corey Harris.

667
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: A sister public is under Natalie Kate for mister Harris,

668
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: who should be present.

669
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 8: In to zoom Mister are you driving, Ashley?

670
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 9: I'm pulling into my doctor's office. Actually so, so I'll

671
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 9: just give me one second.

672
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 8: I'm parking right now, all right, what are we doing?

673
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: You're on a re are respectfully requesting in a German

674
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: in this matter up possibly two or four weeks at

675
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: the court would allow.

676
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 8: Okay, So maybe I don't understand something. This is the

677
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 8: driving want of license suspended?

678
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 4: That is correct your enter and.

679
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 8: He was just driving and he didn't have a license.

680
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 8: I don't even know why he would do that. So

681
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 8: defendant's bond is revoked in this matter, defendant is turned

682
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 8: himself into the Washington County deal by six pm today.

683
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 8: Failure to turn himself in will result in the bench

684
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 8: wart with no bond.

685
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 5: So you know when you look at this, I'm gonna

686
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 5: be honest with y'all. I sent this clip to Leonard

687
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: and I was like, this clearly needs to be your

688
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: donkey of the day tomorrow. And I sent it last

689
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 5: week and I don't remember what our conversation was. It

690
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 5: was we prepped for even just our ever segments and

691
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 5: all of that, but there was something that made me say,

692
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: you know, there's something deeper about this when we think

693
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 5: about this man's reaction. If you're driving to the doctor's office,

694
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 5: probably that probably means there's no other way. You probably

695
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: can't afford an uber. I looked into this case and

696
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: his suspension. His driver's license suspension was actually tied to

697
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 5: a child support case.

698
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two. In January twenty twenty.

699
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 5: Two, a judge ordered that that suspension be lifted to

700
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 5: allow him to drive again. So actually it was from

701
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 5: twenty twenty the judge lifted it in twenty twenty two.

702
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: The license suspension was revoked in January twenty twenty two.

703
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: It was filed with the state.

704
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 5: Government and for whatever there was some clearance paperwork that

705
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: didn't get handled, so it.

706
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: Was never lifted.

707
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 5: So he had his license restored, but it was never lifted.

708
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 5: He ended up getting stopped in October of twenty twenty

709
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 5: three in the Pittsville township and he had to appear

710
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 5: virtually for a misdemeanor case revolving from that particular traffic

711
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 5: stop where he was in trouble for driving with the

712
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: suspended license that was not suspended anymore based on that

713
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two government.

714
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: R Yes, a government air is literally.

715
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 5: A paperwork error, and at that time he was driving

716
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 5: his wife to the doctor, so there's some medical issues involved.

717
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 5: Fast forward to anybody you know in your life who's

718
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 5: ever been driving with the suspended license or whose license

719
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 5: got suspended, it is nine times out of ten a

720
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 5: financial issue child support someone not being able to and

721
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 5: I'm not you know, poopooing the mothers that need child support,

722
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 5: but the fact that the government gets involved in this

723
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 5: way where it would make it more difficult because now

724
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 5: they got to pay you the fines instead of paying

725
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: for the baby.

726
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: Right, Like, there are these layers and.

727
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 5: Once you get into that snowball, it just keeps growing,

728
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: growing and growing. No, and it's a stranglehold. So this

729
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 5: man has literally been penalized based on a paperwork error,

730
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 5: an administrative error at the state level, and then was

731
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: sent to prison that day. Well jail, Well sure, yes,

732
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: incarceration that day. Incarcerated that day, which is going to

733
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: mean what more fins? Yeah, so more fines for a

734
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 5: license that was suspended but was reinstated. But then there

735
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 5: was a misdemeanor based on the prior suspension even though

736
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 5: that wasn't his error, and he's having to appear in court.

737
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: Which also costs money.

738
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 5: Like, at some point we have to acknowledge the fact

739
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 5: that this justice system merely serves those who can afford

740
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: to play ball, and that is really really treacherous.

741
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: So and we supposedly got rid of the debtors court.

742
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: Right from Europe, we throw off the yokes of the

743
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: debtors court that because you couldn't pay certain bills, you

744
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: would have to be incarcerated. And in the US we

745
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: supposedly rid ourselves of the system, except we then created laws, statutes,

746
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: ordinances that just reinforce financial hardship on frankly offenses if

747
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: you will, if you want to call them, that were

748
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: that originated out of financial hardships. So you got a

749
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: hardship you can't pay such and such and such and

750
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: so what do we then do We take your ability

751
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: to drive to your job away from you, the job

752
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: where you can then earn money to pay off the

753
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: fines and whatever else preceded that that's still on your

754
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: on your bill to have to pay for. We've now

755
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: limited you in every single way of being able to

756
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: do that, and we've thrown you into a perpetual debtor

757
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: system because you can't get under you. You just seem

758
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: to never be able to come from under the loads

759
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: and loads of debt that are put on you. In

760
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: so many cases, so many people owe money that is

761
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: way access of what the original burden was because of

762
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: fines and other remittances that have been put put in

763
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: layer on top of it.

764
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is gonna be a shameless plug. I'll

765
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: tell you guys. I wrote a book some years ago,

766
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: say it Louder Loud and but and research for this book,

767
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: I looked at this issue and in the city of Ferguson, Missouri,

768
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: I found that the city was financing itself with predatory

769
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: practices that disproportionately impacted black folks. In this city, the

770
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: median household income was forty one thousand dollars, and police

771
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: were excessively harassing the citizens, pulling them over for like

772
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: a broken tail light. And how did the so the

773
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: DJ got involved, A Department of Justice got involved, how

774
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: did this even fall on the Department of Justice's radar? Well, police,

775
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: they are shot and unarmed man Michael Brown, which invited

776
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: and invests a federal investigation into the local municipalities and

777
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: their practices. And this is what they uncovered. And in

778
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: a city where, like I said, the median household income

779
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: is very low, a single missed, late, or partial payment

780
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: of a fine, to Angelo's point, mean jail time. In

781
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: one instance this was cited by the DLJ, a Ferguson

782
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: resident was ticketed for parking her car illegally. That single

783
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: infraction ended up costing her more than one thousand dollars

784
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: and six days in jail payments from these types of

785
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: counters and encounters in Ferguson. They were so aggressively that

786
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: outstanding fines and fees made up one fist of Ferguson's

787
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: entire revenue base. That was an eighty percent increase over

788
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: just two years prior. Black folks were funding a system

789
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: that was oppressing them. Now y'all know, Ferguson is not

790
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: specific to.

791
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: That valley America.

792
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: Everywhere across this country there are cities just like this

793
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: where you're impacted by this. I have driven on a

794
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: suspended license before. My mother has driven on a suspect

795
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: shes gonna kill me, but this is when we were

796
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: little sure. But she has driven on a suspended license before.

797
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: I got a boot on my car before. In DC's tickets.

798
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: Get removed, the original ticket fine and the.

799
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: Storage when they told your car exactly right right, And

800
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: these these kind of feeds can compound. And this is

801
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: just me going through this. You imagine a single mother

802
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: with two kids kids want to go on a field

803
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: trip because you know, one hundred whatever dollars or whatever.

804
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: It's really sad to see the way this goes. And

805
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: it's even sad or why this fell on our radar.

806
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: So I really love that you did this, Angelo, because

807
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: I did. I laughed when I saw this guy and

808
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: now you hear the story and it's like with his license,

809
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: it was a government error like.

810
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 5: His And the other thing that I think is significant

811
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 5: because we we do do what we try to do

812
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 5: a good job on this show of telling people how

813
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 5: to solve for things. Yeah, Michigan does have a program

814
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: called Road to Restoration where they address these these challenges

815
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: where they help people if their licenses have been suspended

816
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 5: how to get back on their feet. And I think

817
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 5: those are the kinds of service.

818
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: And is it a nonprofit, No, it's a part.

819
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 4: Of us actually a government program.

820
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 5: These are the kinds of programs that we need to

821
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: have in place all over the country to ensure that

822
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 5: we rectify and right these wrongs.

823
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: Ferguson is not alone to your pain.

824
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 7: Yeah.

825
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: And by the way, their local ordinances that they could

826
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: adopt that removes this burden in the first place. Take

827
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 3: for instance, and most downtowns, whether it is as obvious

828
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: as a government era and trying to get his situation cured,

829
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: and most downtowns where courthouses exist, they know that if

830
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: they had done a parking study that they have, they

831
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: supply one tenth of the parking that is demanded in

832
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: that area. And then you expect these folks to show up,

833
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: be there on time, leave their jobs, be able to park,

834
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: come into the courthouse, do their business, get back out,

835
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: and get back to work, except that you know that

836
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: you have invited them into an environment where only one

837
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: tenth of the parking is available for the demand that

838
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 3: has had. So you got parking restrictions in a place

839
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: that you cannot possibly facilitate the demand that you're inviting

840
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: into it, and then you penalize those people for a

841
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: problem that you know your government studies already point to

842
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: the fact that it's insufficient public parking, insufficient access for people.

843
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: And now we're going to penalize you. And by the way,

844
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: you relate to court and I'm gonna throw you in

845
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: jail for disrespecting the court or rather the judge or whatever.

846
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 3: But nobody is interrogating. Nobody's taking the time to ask,

847
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: pull back the layers and ask the question, what, judge,

848
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: do we provide sufficient parking?

849
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know.

850
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: One of the things I was thinking about too is

851
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: growing up, there was a cartoon that I used to

852
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 5: love to watch called Transformers more than me Ci, more

853
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 5: than me Ci. And that is normally the case on

854
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 5: these issues. We are led to believe in media, in print,

855
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 5: on air that if someone is said to be guilty,

856
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 5: then they're guilty, and there's no other nuance, no other texture,

857
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 5: no other context offered. And I think this case is

858
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: a prime example of this. When you just watched that video,

859
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 5: you're like, I agree with this judge. How dumb can

860
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 5: this man be? You have no idea all of the things.

861
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: That are there.

862
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 5: But I thought of you, Chiff, because the media bias

863
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 5: is real and I had to check my own self

864
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: on this particular.

865
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: But the people who played the clip, like, as journalists,

866
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: I think they owe us viewers, you know, to tell

867
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: us the full, whole.

868
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 5: Complete story. And every single major network did it right. Yeah,

869
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 5: so eager to go viral.

870
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: Viral, that's it.

871
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: Many time we have not heard from the viewers yet,

872
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: so I want to exactly. So we're gonna take a

873
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: quick break. Don't go anywhere, guys, because right after this

874
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: break is you coming up next. So we'll be right back,

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Speaker 1: all right, Welcome back to Native lamppod. Everybody listen. Every

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Speaker 1: week we tell you, guys, send in your comments, your questions,

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Speaker 1: even if you disagree with us, send us in a video.

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Speaker 1: We want to see your faces. Keep it sixty seconds.

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Speaker 1: We love your questions and this is your pod too,

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Speaker 1: So welcome home. For our first you were question. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's Jenary Turner shall tell us how to say it.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll that quick.

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Speaker 7: Hey, y'all, my name is Chanieri Turner and I currently

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Speaker 7: live in Atlanta, Georgia. My question is, can y'all discuss

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Speaker 7: the bipartisan invitation from top Senate and House leaders to

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Speaker 7: NAT and Yahoo to address Congress after all of the

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Speaker 7: devastation and ongoing genocide from Israel's leadership. Why would they

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Speaker 7: invite him? And why would they invite a man who

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Speaker 7: is currently who currently has an arrest request within the

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Speaker 7: ICC for war crimes to speak to the United States. Also,

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Speaker 7: which one of y'all are going to check Hakeem Jeffries

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Speaker 7: for this little stunt, because this is really starting to

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Speaker 7: make me question even the quote unquote liberal or progressive Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for that question. I love that question,

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Speaker 1: So Andrew, I asked you about this, but I'm so

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Speaker 1: happy that the viewers are right with us. Angela. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious because you've worked on the Hill a long time.

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Speaker 1: I just want to point out Congressman Hakim Jefferies is

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Speaker 1: not the Speaker of the House. Uh, he's in the minority.

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Speaker 1: But I quite honestly haven't followed this particular story closely.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe that he invited.

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Speaker 4: He did, he joined in the letter.

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Speaker 5: You know what I think is so tough and shout

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Speaker 5: out to Hakim because that is my friend too. I

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Speaker 5: don't know that you become Speaker of the House when

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Speaker 5: Democrats get the majority without the support of APEX right

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Speaker 5: now as it currently stands in our in the oversize

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Speaker 5: just frankly, the oversized role that they play in our

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Speaker 5: body politic. I also don't know that you get the

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Speaker 5: support even if you don't get a donation from them,

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Speaker 5: if you don't demonstrate an unwavering support to Israel having

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Speaker 5: a right to defend itself. I don't know though, that

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Speaker 5: you have to invite Benjamin net Yahoo to speak before

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Speaker 5: or a joint session of Congress, especially given his very

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Speaker 5: blatantly racial racist history coming to speak when Barack Obama

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Speaker 5: did not invite him. So I just I don't know

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Speaker 5: what this what this approach is. I think more than checking,

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Speaker 5: I come to this with curiosity, and my question is

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Speaker 5: just why, you know, what do you stand to gain

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Speaker 5: here given the fact that this is such a treacherous, bloody,

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Speaker 5: deadly war that's happening on our watch, And you know,

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Speaker 5: are you okay with taking the posture that you're taking.

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Speaker 5: You know, when history looks back on this twenty years

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Speaker 5: from now, was it worth it? And his calculus may

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Speaker 5: be that it was worth it, you know, and and

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Speaker 5: it's and it's hard. I think that he is put

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Speaker 5: in a precarious position. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 5: who look like us, who you know, rise through the

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Speaker 5: ranks to become CEOs and major corporations, or to be

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Speaker 5: heads of trade associations or to be leaders in in

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Speaker 5: the party, and they have to make a lot of

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Speaker 5: concessions that I don't think I could write, or.

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Speaker 3: Trade offs and some you know, some things you want

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Speaker 3: and you have to determine how deep you want to

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Speaker 3: stand in it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's exactly what I mean by the consis Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I think for him, he's probably trying to eliminate

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Speaker 3: whether we agree with it or not. I think he's

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Speaker 3: probably trying to eliminate ciphers that can show up in

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Speaker 3: the November election and cost him seats. So trying not

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Speaker 3: to make an issue an issue. So if the Jewish

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Speaker 3: caucus and those on the Democratic side and the moderate

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Speaker 3: wing of the party, frankly it's the mainstream of the

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Speaker 3: party because it's it's it's what the president also stands for.

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Speaker 3: What he says, we were un you know, deniably stand

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Speaker 3: next to our ally Israel and their right to defend themselves.

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Speaker 3: And they even rejected the criminal the war Crimes tribunal

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Speaker 3: that that has accused net Yahu and his government of

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Speaker 3: of crimes against humanity in there and as they ascious war.

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Speaker 3: But Hakim does have a difficult job, and I just

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Speaker 3: think we have to be careful what our expectations are

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Speaker 3: of our leaders in any specific moment when we're thinking

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Speaker 3: about the road to the bigger win. And I think

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Speaker 3: the bigger win he's looking toward is trying to become

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Speaker 3: a Speaker of the House, not for the sake of

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Speaker 3: him being speaker, but so the Democratic Party, the Democratic

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Speaker 3: Party party's values and positions have the ability to be,

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Speaker 3: you know, to carry the day, and right now they can.

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Speaker 5: Here is the one thing that I say that's interesting,

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Speaker 5: and I think this is a perfect example of what

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Speaker 5: he faces. There were four leaders who signed on to

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Speaker 5: that letter. Mike Johnson, who is the Speaker, Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 5: who is the majority leader.

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Speaker 1: In the Senate. Yes, a Democrat, yes, yes, and Jewish

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Speaker 1: and he's.

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Speaker 4: Also Jewish and Mitch McConnell and Hakim ms.

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Speaker 1: McConnell's still alive.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: The person who we've spent like the vast majority amount

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Speaker 5: of time on this is talking about Hakem. He is

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Speaker 5: going to be under the microscope in the fish bowl

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Speaker 5: on these issues at every turn because of his role,

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Speaker 5: because of his age, and certainly because of his race.

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Speaker 5: And I think those are the calculations he constantly has

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Speaker 5: to make. It is not fair, and as my friend,

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Speaker 5: I do not agree with this one right, but I'm

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Speaker 5: just saying it's it is remarkable how much more pressure

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Speaker 5: is on them. When mister Cliburn was with, there was

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Speaker 5: remarkably like if there was a close vote or a

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Speaker 5: lost vote, it was he was with. But also there's

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Speaker 5: a whole other leadership is majority leaders anywhere there was

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Speaker 5: a majority, I mean a speaker Nancy Pelosi, but it

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Speaker 5: would always followup mister Clyburn.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a you know.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think my challenge here and I

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Speaker 1: know we're coming up on times. I'll be quick. I

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Speaker 1: think as as black people people we who know firsthand

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be an oppressed people. And if

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Speaker 1: you're making political calculations in the face of forty thousand

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Speaker 1: plus dead, mostly women and children, it's hard to reconcile

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Speaker 1: those two things. Is your political ambition worth this calculation.

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Speaker 1: I have known the Jeffreys family like you for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Have always found the entire family to be

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Speaker 1: upstanding individuals. And listen, when Congressman Haquen Jeffreys made his

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Speaker 1: way to Congress, it was a joyous occasion. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he still does like congressman on the corner in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: He you know, we know him. You know he reflects us.

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Speaker 1: That does not absolve you from accountability and responsibility and criticism.

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Speaker 1: And so we are right to say, hey, you're getting

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Speaker 1: this one wrong. And I think to the entire House,

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Speaker 1: really house incentive, But to the Congressional Black Caucus, who

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Speaker 1: has always worn the banner as the conscience of the Congress,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to stand with you guys on this one.

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Speaker 1: You know it's hard. Well that's that's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: But to the members who you know, the traffic in

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Speaker 1: that space, I just I don't like it.

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Speaker 3: So we break I interpret this lessons and endorsement of

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Speaker 3: being able to speak and more of a how do

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Speaker 3: I take this issue off the table? I think, not

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Speaker 3: make it controversial. How do we just make this regular

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Speaker 3: order and keep it moving now? Whether or not we

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Speaker 3: receive it as that is another thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As as somebody who ran for office, I think you

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Speaker 1: have a different lens.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's far beyond his individual ambition. I think

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Speaker 3: he has a lot more to do with the party

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Speaker 3: is standing and where it wants to be on November six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, Sheenery. I hope that answered your question.

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Speaker 1: You guys, please keep sitting in your videos, your comments.

1022
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Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. This is your podcast too,

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Speaker 1: so welcome home y'all. We love having a seat at

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Speaker 1: the table here with you guys. Okay, we have another

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Speaker 1: question that I want to get to Darren Keith. Darren,

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Speaker 1: you talk about what.

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Speaker 9: Is going on good people over Native Lampard. Darren Keith

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Speaker 9: here from Florida. I got a quick question for Tiffany.

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Speaker 9: You say that you read eight newspapers a day. So

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Speaker 9: my two questions is number one, which newspapers that you

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Speaker 9: read every day? And number two, do you have the

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Speaker 9: paper edition or is it digital or do you have both?

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Speaker 9: And if you can list them. I would truly appreciate it. Again,

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Speaker 9: I appreciate you three. You all are the best if

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Speaker 9: I had any siblings. I'm an only child, but if

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Speaker 9: I did have any siblings, you three would definitely be

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Speaker 9: my brother and sisters. So take it easy.

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Speaker 3: We love it, love it, we love it, We love it.

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Speaker 1: You are our brother there, and you are our brother.

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Speaker 1: He is our brother.

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Speaker 5: Tell you yeah, I feel like he might work for

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Speaker 5: the tree conservationists and he's trying to see you really

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Speaker 5: reading eight newspaper copies a day. He got to protest.

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Speaker 1: Joe ass siblings sibling moment. So I actually am all digital.

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Speaker 1: But it was a hard fight for me because when

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Speaker 1: I first started out in newsrooms, there were hard papers there,

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Speaker 1: so it took a while for me to convert to

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Speaker 1: digital papers. But I will be really quickly because we're

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Speaker 1: coming up on time. I have a whole like morning routine,

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Speaker 1: so I always start out with The Times New York Times.

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Speaker 1: I recover to cover I don't. I try not to skip.

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Speaker 1: I do skip a lot of Trump stuff in transparency,

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Speaker 1: but I know, I know my colleagues will keep me.

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Speaker 1: It was normally a one above the fold. It is true.

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Speaker 1: And then after the Times, I go to The Post,

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post, and I read those are the two

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Speaker 1: that I read cover to cover, after those who are

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Speaker 1: pretty heady. So then after that I read The Atlantic,

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Speaker 1: not cover to cover, but usually on the digital page

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Speaker 1: of the Atlantic. They'll do like throwback articles that are

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Speaker 1: still very relevant. It's not always so political, it's just

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Speaker 1: interesting things. After that, I go to Al Jazeera English

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Speaker 1: because I like, you know, to get a global perspective.

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Speaker 1: BBC to a lesser degree, they tend to skew a

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Speaker 1: little conservative. Sometimes vox is great. They do deep dives

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Speaker 1: into the things that are not always political, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: they are the Hill. I do the Hill to see

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Speaker 1: what if there's anything interesting happening on the Hill. They

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Speaker 1: also have little segments on the Hill. The economists have

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Speaker 1: some good reads. And then I try to read a

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Speaker 1: local paper. These are I made, you know, switch, but

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Speaker 1: I typically read the Atlanta Journal, Constitution a jac Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I'll read the Dallas Morning News. Sometimes I'll do the

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Speaker 1: Chicago sometimes, and honestly, I have a subscription to the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. I try to read the Journal. I

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Speaker 1: don't always understand it, but I will read the op

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Speaker 1: ed pages of the journal. But honestly, I try to

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Speaker 1: read financial news, and my agent says to me one time,

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about you. You can talk about anything unless

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Speaker 1: they're like, we want to talk about the European market,

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Speaker 1: so I would be terrified. I can't really under stand

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Speaker 1: financial news as well as I would like. And then

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Speaker 1: I try to get my niche media in there, so

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Speaker 1: I'll look at the Grio. Michael Harriet is a great columnist.

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Speaker 1: I love to read his columns, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: about it, but these things change. I rarely read political

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll do axios if they have something interesting, but

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Speaker 1: I don't do that every morning. I could skip it.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. That may have been more than eight,

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Speaker 1: may have been less than eight, but typically sometimes it

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Speaker 1: could be ten, sometimes it could be six. But I

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Speaker 1: have a pretty I hope eclectic news diet. And thank

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Speaker 1: you for that question. It's digital. I appreciate the question

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Speaker 1: for thee I do not read. Yeah, I do read

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Speaker 1: La Times sometimes, but yeah, just because I do feel

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Speaker 1: like the West Coast gets left out of a lot

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Speaker 1: of coverage because the East all the it's all headquartered

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Speaker 1: on the East Coast and you do like you don't

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Speaker 1: hear a lot about things, or if you do, it's

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Speaker 1: from like a very East Coast perspective, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: when Karen Bass was running from mayor, I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: you know, we need to have more of that. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I hope that answers your question. I'm sure I've left things.

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Speaker 3: Out local papers. I don't know how you view local.

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Speaker 1: Well, I said I read, Yeah, I just.

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Speaker 3: Well, you got the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: No, I just said I'd like to read local papers.

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Speaker 1: I'll read the Atlanta Journal, I'll read the Dallas Morning News,

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Speaker 1: or you know, I switch it up sometimes of the Chicago sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm my bad for not listening.

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Speaker 3: I thought. The only questionary note about many of the

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Speaker 3: local pieces is that so much of it is owned by.

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Speaker 1: Saint Clair Broadcast. Yeah, there's a lot of conservative all yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which you know, on one hand, it's like, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: want the media decentralized. On the other hand, when these

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Speaker 1: conservative monopolies buy it up the Baltimore Sun, who was

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: very unfair to Marilyn Moseby and in Baltimore, you have

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Speaker 1: to know that's the hard part about your news die.

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Speaker 1: You want to know who owns this, what's their interest

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Speaker 1: in some of these things. So it's unfortunate, but print

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Speaker 1: drives broadcast. Folks know that people are upreading the wires.

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Speaker 1: That drives broadcast. But I encourage people to read more

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Speaker 1: global news because it's a lot of interesting things happening.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're way over time. Thank you for that question.

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Speaker 1: Keep sending your questions. We will try to get to

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Speaker 1: all of them if we can. And welcome home to

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Speaker 1: our native land family. We love hearing from you guys,

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Speaker 1: and our new brother, our new brother, mister Darren Keith.

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Speaker 1: That's our own sibling, our new sibling. All right, we're

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Speaker 1: going to take a quick break. On the other side

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Speaker 1: of this break, we got calls to action. Instead'll go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you on the other body.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, well, come, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we are back with I think one

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Speaker 3: of the more impactful parts of the show. What are

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00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: our calls to action? Tiff? Since you've been hosting us

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00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: carrying the show, you can start her. What's up? What

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Speaker 3: do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of already gave it, but

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Speaker 1: I would just encourage people to read global news, some

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00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: global news outlets, because we could do eight shows back

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Speaker 1: to back to back just on what's happening in the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world that we don't get to talk

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot about here. So that would be my call

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Speaker 1: to action. Get off Instagram and you know, read some

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Speaker 1: some global.

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Speaker 3: News, some primary sources.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: There's a thought is different this week.

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Speaker 5: I am really struggling just with my own self on

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Speaker 5: how to encourage people to get out and vote in

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Speaker 5: an election that is as treacherous as this one is,

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Speaker 5: when folks are feeling so torn and emotional about it.

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Speaker 5: And so there was a question that came up in

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Speaker 5: the interview with Governor Shapiro who said that he was,

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Speaker 5: you know, all the way aligned with President Biden. And

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Speaker 5: I think we do spend a lot of time talking

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Speaker 5: about what is wrong with Donald Trump and not a

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 5: lot of time talking about what is right with the

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Speaker 5: Biden Here's ticket. And so am I call to actually

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 5: would be go, if you're someone who knows who you're

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Speaker 5: voting for and why, and it's the Biden Hair's ticket,

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Speaker 5: go and tell people proactively what they've done that you

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Speaker 5: are proud of, that you align with that makes you

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Speaker 5: want to go out and support them, And my obligation

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00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 5: would be to come back to you all and tell

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Speaker 5: you why I'm going to do that next.

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Speaker 1: Can they tell us yeah, video, Yeah, I would leve

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Speaker 1: for us why you're voting for who you're voting for? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I do too. So in the wake of the Trump

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Speaker 3: convictions in his establishment as a as a as a felon,

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Speaker 3: I just want to caution us, particularly on the left,

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Speaker 3: against making the term felon a pejorative and sort of

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Speaker 3: turning this thing into some sort of insult against people

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Speaker 3: who have who have had felony charges. I think we

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Speaker 3: might be trying to insult him inadvertently creating common cause

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Speaker 3: between him and other people. And as we've said before

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Speaker 3: in other shows, there's no common cause in these experiences,

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Speaker 3: you know, with the exception of the fact that he

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Speaker 3: doesn't think he should have one, which may be what

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Speaker 3: we all share. You know, many of us share that

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Speaker 3: you you shouldn't have one either, But his experience, the

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Speaker 3: way he's navigated again, he's only turned against this system

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01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: because it's expedient for him. But this is the same

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01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: system that has protected him for decades. His father for decades,

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Speaker 3: and so I just want to caution us around our

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01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 3: language that in our effort to insult him, to diminish him,

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Speaker 3: that we be careful not to really be harmful to

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Speaker 3: a lot of people in our community. By bye bye,

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Speaker 3: By co listing the two of them together, they're not

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Speaker 3: the same, the experiences are not the same, and we're

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Speaker 3: not forever measured by our worst days.

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Speaker 5: Well, before we end the show, I want to remind

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Speaker 5: everyone to leave us a review and subscribe to Native lamppod.

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Speaker 5: We are available on all platforms and YouTube. New episodes

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Speaker 5: drop every single Thursday. You can also follow us on

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Speaker 5: social media. We are Angela Rae, Andrew Gillim and Tiffany Cross.

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Speaker 5: Welcome home, y'all. There are one hundred and fifty two

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Speaker 5: days until election day.

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Speaker 1: It's not at us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the Natives. Attention of what the

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Speaker 2: info and all of the latest rock Gulum and Cross

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Speaker 2: connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.

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Speaker 2: Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice

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Speaker 2: is clean, So grateful it took to execute roads for serve,

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Speaker 2: defend and protect the truth, even if pain.

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Speaker 3: We welcome home to.

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Speaker 2: All of the natives.

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Speaker 3: We thank you.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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