WEBVTT - Blubber, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Robert Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am Joe McCormick. And today on Stuff to

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<v Speaker 3>Blow Your Mind, we are going to begin a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of episodes on the subject of blubber. I am surprisingly

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<v Speaker 3>fired up about blubber. I don't know exactly why, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like acheing to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a big part of it is that, if

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else, blubber is just a funny word. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a funny sounding word. I had to look into it

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit before we proceeded here, apparently stemming from

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<v Speaker 2>the late fourteenth century blobber, which describes bubbles, bubbling, or foaming,

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<v Speaker 2>often pointed out like the Middle English for foam, and

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<v Speaker 2>this also influences the verb blubber, as in two blubber.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, at the very least, blubber is just a

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<v Speaker 2>funny word to think about and say.

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<v Speaker 3>Does the word blob come from the same root as blubber?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it does.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, So it might not surprise you if you know

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<v Speaker 3>anything about marine mammal anatomy. To hear that, I started

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about Blubber to cover on the show because we've

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<v Speaker 3>come into the winter months here in the Southeastern United

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<v Speaker 3>States and I have felt that desire again to wrap

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<v Speaker 3>myself in coziness, to find barriers against the cold. And

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<v Speaker 3>this of course got me thinking about Blubber, which turned

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<v Speaker 3>my mind once again to one of my favorite weird

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<v Speaker 3>novels to quote and explore on stuff to blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>That is Herman Melville's Moby Dick. We've talked about passages

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<v Speaker 3>from Moby Dick on the show before, often related to

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<v Speaker 3>whale anatomy, but sometimes on other strange subjects. I know

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<v Speaker 3>we did a bunch of stuff about Moby Dick when

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<v Speaker 3>I did an episode with Lauren and Annie of of

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast Savor on Ambergris or Ambergrise uh, and we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about Moby Dick when Rob, when you and I

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<v Speaker 3>did some episodes on whale spout on like what exactly

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<v Speaker 3>is going on there when you see that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the whale blast, what's coming out? And does it burn

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<v Speaker 3>the skin? Does it poison people? As alleged and Moby Dick.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that you have singled it out as a

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<v Speaker 2>weird novel.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it totally is weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is easy. It's given its its notoriety,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, everyone has heard of Moby Dick, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have. If you haven't read it,

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<v Speaker 2>you've at least seen a film adaptation of it, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>one of the good ones. You might miss the fact that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is very weird in many regards.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's incredibly weird and what i'd say, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the weirdest books that people read in school probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>We also talked about it briefly in Wrath of Khan,

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<v Speaker 2>our Weird House cinema episode, because of course it too

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<v Speaker 2>takes a hefty shot of Moby Dick.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's right, but of course relating to blubber specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>in chapter sixty eight of Moby Dick, the narrator Ishmael

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<v Speaker 3>meditates on the concept of whale skin and whale blubber,

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<v Speaker 3>which he calls the blanket. Now, as we've talked about before,

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<v Speaker 3>the whale facts and Moby Dick are of varying accuracy

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<v Speaker 3>when reconciled against modern science. Sometimes they're pretty spot on,

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<v Speaker 3>other times they're way off. Some of the main observations

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<v Speaker 3>in this chapter, as we'll discuss are correct, mainly in

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<v Speaker 3>that Ishmael observes that the whale's body is surrounded by

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<v Speaker 3>a thick layer of blubber, and that one of the

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<v Speaker 3>blubber's main purposes is related to insulation the retention of

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<v Speaker 3>body heat. That's not the only thing that blubber does

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<v Speaker 3>in marine mammals, but that's a big part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the most important things it does. So

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<v Speaker 3>first he marvels at the incredible size and quantity of

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<v Speaker 3>blubber within the whale, which, in the example of a

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<v Speaker 3>single sperm whale that he's talking about, boils down into

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred barrels of oil. He says, one hundred bear

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<v Speaker 3>of oil from a single whale, and that's not even

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<v Speaker 3>the entire mass of its outer skin or integument layer.

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<v Speaker 3>And he says that that gives the mind a hint

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<v Speaker 3>of the quote enormousness of that animated mass overall. And

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<v Speaker 3>he also observes the texture and the makeup of the blubber,

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<v Speaker 3>which is quote something of the consistence of firm, close

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<v Speaker 3>grained beef, but tougher, more elastic and compact, and ranges

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<v Speaker 3>from eight or ten to twelve and fifteen inches in thickness.

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<v Speaker 3>He also remarks curiously when he's looking at the outer

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<v Speaker 3>skin of the sperm whale. He says that the sperm

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<v Speaker 3>whale's skin is quote all over, obliquely crossed and recrossed,

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<v Speaker 3>with numberless straight marks in thick array, something like those

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<v Speaker 3>in the finest Italian line engravings, which he later also

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<v Speaker 3>compares to Egyptian hieroglyphics. He especially makes the connection to

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<v Speaker 3>the mysteriousness of the hieroglyphics and the mysteriousness of the

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<v Speaker 3>marks the whale's body. I think we now know that

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<v Speaker 3>this is actually a common thing you do see on

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<v Speaker 3>the bodies of sperm whales, that they will have lines

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<v Speaker 3>or sometimes even circular scars over their bodies, which can

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<v Speaker 3>in part come from battles with the squid they hunt,

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<v Speaker 3>can come from running into things, butting, fights with other whales,

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of scrapings and accidents, maybe sat yes, mating,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe other contact with fishing equipment or whatever. The whales

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<v Speaker 3>can get a lot of scars. And I love thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of these scars on the outside of the sperm whale

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<v Speaker 3>skin as like a mysterious language to be deciphered.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>But then Finally he comes to marvel at the blubber

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<v Speaker 3>as a heat retaining adaptation within the whale, which he

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<v Speaker 3>kind of connects two thoughts about human character. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to read a more extended passage here. Ishmael says, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>it is by reason of this cozy blanketing of his

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<v Speaker 3>body that the whale is enabled to keep himself comfortable

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<v Speaker 3>in all weathers, in all seas, times and tides. What

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<v Speaker 3>would become of a greenland whale, say, in those shuddering

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<v Speaker 3>icy seas of the north, if unsupplied with his cozy surtout.

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<v Speaker 3>Surtout is a type of coat from the time. By

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<v Speaker 3>the way, so his cozy surtout true. Other fish are

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<v Speaker 3>found exceedingly brisk in those hyperborean waters. But these, be

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<v Speaker 3>it observed, are your cold blooded, lungless fish, whose very

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<v Speaker 3>bellies are refrigerators, creatures that warm themselves under the lee

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<v Speaker 3>of an iceberg, as a traveler in winter would bask

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<v Speaker 3>before an infire, whereas like man, the whale has lungs

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<v Speaker 3>and warm blood freeze his blood and he dies. How

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful it is, then, except after explanation, that this great monster,

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<v Speaker 3>to whom corporeal warmth is as indispensable as it is

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<v Speaker 3>to man. How wonderful that he should be found at home,

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<v Speaker 3>immersed to his lips for life in those Arctic waters.

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<v Speaker 3>And then a little later he says, it does seemed

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<v Speaker 3>to me that herein we see the rare virtue of

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<v Speaker 3>a strong individual vitality, and the rare virtue of thick walls,

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<v Speaker 3>and the rare virtue of interior spaciousness. Oh man, admire

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<v Speaker 3>and model thyself after the whale. Do thou too remain

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<v Speaker 3>warm among ice? Do thou too live in this world

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<v Speaker 3>without being of it? Be cool at the equator, Keep

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<v Speaker 3>thy blood fluid at the pole, like the great dome

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<v Speaker 3>of Saint Peter's, and like the great whale. Retain o man,

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<v Speaker 3>in all seasons a temperature of thine own beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I especially want to get back to

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<v Speaker 2>that immerse to his lips for life in those Arctic waters.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on in this episode, now I mentioned that this

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<v Speaker 3>chapter I was just quoting from is called The Blanket

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<v Speaker 3>Chapter sixty eight. The blanket. The blanket referring to the

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<v Speaker 3>coating of blubber around the whale's body. There is actually

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<v Speaker 3>a much earlier part of the story which struck me

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<v Speaker 3>as abstractly and yet powerfully can to this chapter, and

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<v Speaker 3>this earlier part is not about whale anatomy at all,

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<v Speaker 3>but about a literal blanket. And it seems also related

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<v Speaker 3>somehow to the seasonal mind state I've been in that

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<v Speaker 3>got me thinking about blubber. So this is chapter eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>much earlier. It's called night Gown, and the context in

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<v Speaker 3>the story is that because of overcrowding at a boarding

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<v Speaker 3>house on Nantucket, Ishmael he's just arrived there and he

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<v Speaker 3>has been forced to share a room, and not to

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<v Speaker 3>share a room, to share a bed at the boarding

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<v Speaker 3>house with the Polynesian harpooneer quek Weeg. And he's initially

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<v Speaker 3>much annoyed by these circumstances, but then after some reflection

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<v Speaker 3>and some experiences together, Ishmael comes to not just tolerate,

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<v Speaker 3>but admire and even adore quek Weeg, and they become

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<v Speaker 3>best of friends, in Ishmael's words, a cozy, loving pair

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<v Speaker 3>on their honeymoon. So in the Nightgown chapter, Ishmael writes

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<v Speaker 3>of sharing a bed in a blanket at the boarding

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<v Speaker 3>house with quik Weeg. He says, first they try to sleep,

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<v Speaker 3>then they're not able to sleep. And then finally, he says, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>we became very wakeful, so much so that our recumbent

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<v Speaker 3>position began to grow wearisome. And by little and little

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<v Speaker 3>we found ourselves sitting up, the clothes well tucked around us,

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<v Speaker 3>leaning against the headboard, with our fore knees drawn up

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<v Speaker 3>close together, and our two noses bending over them, as

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<v Speaker 3>if our knee pans were warming pans. We felt very

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<v Speaker 3>nice and snug, the more so since it was so

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<v Speaker 3>chilly out of doors, indeed out of bedclothes too, seeing

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<v Speaker 3>that there was no fire in the room. The more so,

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<v Speaker 3>I say, because truly to enjoy bodily warmth, some small

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<v Speaker 3>part of you must be cold. For there is no

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<v Speaker 3>quality in this world that is not what it is merely.

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<v Speaker 3>By contrast, nothing exists in itself. If you flatter yourself

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<v Speaker 3>that you are all over comfortable, and you have been

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<v Speaker 3>so a long time, then you cannot be said to

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<v Speaker 3>be comfortable anymore. But if, like Queequeg and me in

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<v Speaker 3>the bed, the tip of your nose or the crown

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<v Speaker 3>of your head slightly chilled, why then indeed, in the

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<v Speaker 3>general consciousness you feel most delightfully and unmistakably warm. For

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<v Speaker 3>this reason, a sleeping apartment should never be furnished with

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<v Speaker 3>a fire, which is one of the luxurious discomforts of

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<v Speaker 3>the rich. For the height of this sort of deliciousness

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<v Speaker 3>is to have nothing but the blanket between you and

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<v Speaker 3>your snugness and the cold of the outer air. Then

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<v Speaker 3>there you lie, like the one warm spark in the

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<v Speaker 3>heart of an arctic crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful? Beautiful. Do you think that the two characters were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about any of this as they said in bed? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe, I don't know. I don't remember at this point

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<v Speaker 3>in the story how extensively the two characters are communicating

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<v Speaker 3>across it. I don't remember what to what extent. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a language barrier at the beginning of their friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could have been said, if I could have

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<v Speaker 2>just said, Hey, isn't this delicious? I'm glad we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But no, I think there really is something to

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<v Speaker 3>that that there is a way that it is much

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<v Speaker 3>cozier to be warm under a blanket in a cold

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<v Speaker 3>room then to be under a blanket in a warm room.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, in a way that's almost obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, No, I'm a big blanket fan. If it's

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<v Speaker 2>too hot, I'm a little bit sad that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get to cover up with blankets more. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when it's too cold, I'm just sad in general. So

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<v Speaker 2>the one warm stark, Yeah, I know what he's getting

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<v Speaker 2>at here.

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<v Speaker 3>But I thought that this was beautiful and insightful, and

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<v Speaker 3>to some extent it makes me think also of the

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<v Speaker 3>anatomy of the whale, thinking of the whale's body as

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<v Speaker 3>a blanket, the idea of creatures that carry their blanket

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<v Speaker 3>with them into the icy waters. And if you apply

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<v Speaker 3>the same reasoning, you know, as we'll discuss in the

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<v Speaker 3>anatomy of the whale, the whale is not coated in

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<v Speaker 3>every single part of its body by the blubber. So

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder what the sensation of the whale is. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it has blubber mostly all around its body, but maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not fully in the flippers or something. So does it

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<v Speaker 3>have those little exposures to the iciness around it? What

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<v Speaker 3>does it feel like to the whale? Does the whale

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<v Speaker 3>have that sensation in the cold it feels with the

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<v Speaker 3>flippers or some little parts of its body of the

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<v Speaker 3>one warm spark in the heart of an Arctic crystal,

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<v Speaker 3>except it doesn't have to wrap itself in the blanket.

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<v Speaker 3>The blanket is under its skin.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. Yeah, I mean, another thing about

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<v Speaker 2>blubbers we'll discuss is that blubber is not uniform thickness

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<v Speaker 2>over the entire body of the whale. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>vary in thickness depending on where you're looking at. So

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's a human thing, I guess, But anytime

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<v Speaker 2>I see a creature that has evolved to thrive in

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<v Speaker 2>the cold corners of the world, it doesn't depend on

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<v Speaker 2>its technology to do so. Like humans, I always just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, on some like non thinking level, assume that

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<v Speaker 2>they're just really called and miserable all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course that would be it'd be that's rather unreasonable

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<v Speaker 2>with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder if that's the equivalent of a tropical

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<v Speaker 3>lizard looking at us, being at you know, seventy two

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<v Speaker 3>degrees in the shade, and thinking we must be miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, and the rest of the series, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be exploring blubber as biology and also some things

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<v Speaker 3>about blubber in hue and culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most of that will probably be in the second episode. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode will be more about what blubber is and

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<v Speaker 2>what it is to a specific whale species.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what it is and what it is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>So the best source I found rob in providing a

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<v Speaker 3>scientific overview of blubber is actually an extensive, in depth

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<v Speaker 3>entry in the Encyclopedia of Marine Mammals from two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and nine from Academic Press. This article is by a

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<v Speaker 3>well known marine biologist named Sarah J. Iverson, who is

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<v Speaker 3>affiliated with Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia. So I thought

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we could start off by going through this entry

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<v Speaker 3>talking about some of the points that Iverson raises and

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<v Speaker 3>branch out for discussion at various places as we go along.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so what is blubber. Blubber is fat, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is not just fat. It is not just

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<v Speaker 3>like the adapose tissue of other mammals in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Blubber is, in Iverson's words, a quote dense, vasculared layer

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<v Speaker 3>of fat beneath the skin. So it is a special

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<v Speaker 3>type of fat tissue that is a characteristic trait of

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<v Speaker 3>marine mammals. It is found only in the mammals of

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<v Speaker 3>the sea. There are not really fully land dwelling animals

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<v Speaker 3>that have blubber, so all cetaceans meaning whales, porpoises and dolphins,

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<v Speaker 3>all cyrenians like manatees and dugongs, and all pinnipeds meaning

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<v Speaker 3>seals have blubber. Iverson notes a couple of exceptions of

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<v Speaker 3>marine or semimarine mammals. Things you might think of as

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<v Speaker 3>marine mammals or semimarine mammals that don't have blubber. Polar

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<v Speaker 3>bears and sea otters don't have blubber strictly defined, though

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<v Speaker 3>obviously they do have and rely on fat. Polar bears

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<v Speaker 3>tend to store a lot of subcutaneous fat, which is

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<v Speaker 3>used to insulate the body, but it doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>special structural and chemical features found in blubber. It's more

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<v Speaker 3>like regular terrestrial carnivore fat, but they do keep a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of on their body when they can to help

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<v Speaker 3>stay warm. Blubber is an incredibly important adaptation for marine mammals.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes marine mammal life possible, and in some species,

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<v Speaker 3>at particular stages of life or times of the year,

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<v Speaker 3>blubber can make up fifty percent of the animal's total

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<v Speaker 3>body mass. So you know some whales you meet are

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<v Speaker 3>half blubber. In part, blubber serves the same purpose as

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<v Speaker 3>fat in other organisms, so it stores food food energy

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<v Speaker 3>that can later be burned to support the body's energy

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<v Speaker 3>needs when food is scarce. But it also does other

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<v Speaker 3>important things for marine mammals. Most importantly, probably blubber is insulation.

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<v Speaker 3>It protects marine mammals body heat against the often extreme

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<v Speaker 3>cold of their watery environments, and it does so in

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<v Speaker 3>particular interesting and dynamic ways. We'll talk about that more

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<v Speaker 3>as we go on, but blubber also aids in buoyancy

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<v Speaker 3>and has interesting functions in help with locomotion, maybe in

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<v Speaker 3>some cases streamlining the body in the water, in other

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<v Speaker 3>cases even serving as a kind of spring. We can

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<v Speaker 3>talk more about that later. And also you can learn

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<v Speaker 3>a lot about a marine mammal by looking at its blubber.

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<v Speaker 3>At the species level, you can learn about its evolutionary

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<v Speaker 3>history and environmental specialization, and at the individual level, you

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<v Speaker 3>can learn a lot of things about like what this

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<v Speaker 3>animal has been eating and where it's been foraging by

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<v Speaker 3>looking at its blubber.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and another factor that I think we already kind

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<v Speaker 2>of alluded to in terms of like the scarring on

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<v Speaker 2>a whale is that blubber does provide some level of protection,

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<v Speaker 2>some level of armor, which can can seem a little

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<v Speaker 2>counterintuitive at first, because we think of an animal's armor,

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<v Speaker 2>we think of hard armor. We think of hard, unfeeling

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<v Speaker 2>protection between the organism and its many threats, And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>blubber is not quite a hard shell. But on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, it can sustain a fair amount of damage

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<v Speaker 2>from an animal's environment, so it does have to a

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<v Speaker 2>limited degree some sort of an armor role here as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and even in non marine mammals, there are cases

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<v Speaker 3>where fat plays an important role in protective cushioning, you

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<v Speaker 3>might say, even if it's not like, you know, not

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<v Speaker 3>like plate armor, but it does play a protective role

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<v Speaker 3>in some types of cushioning basically patting. So getting into

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<v Speaker 3>the structure of blubber. Blubber is subcutaneous fat, meaning that

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<v Speaker 3>it's stored around the outside of the body, just under

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<v Speaker 3>the skin. And this is in contrast to visceral fat,

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<v Speaker 3>which is stored deeper in the body cavity surrounding the organs.

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<v Speaker 3>Blubber sits just under the skin, kind of loosely enveloping

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<v Speaker 3>the underlying layer of muscles. And as I mentioned, blub

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<v Speaker 3>is not just fat. It is this special type of

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<v Speaker 3>fat tissue which is shaped by evolution for a very

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<v Speaker 3>special purpose, primarily that of a dynamic thermal insulator. So

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<v Speaker 3>in most marine mammals, the blubber layer is a continuous

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<v Speaker 3>covering for almost the entire body, with some exceptions like

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<v Speaker 3>the appendages. Often the flippers won't have blubber. Though it

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<v Speaker 3>does tend to cover the whole body, it doesn't cover

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<v Speaker 3>it evenly everywhere, so the thickness and structure of the

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<v Speaker 3>blubber layer differ on different parts of the body for

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<v Speaker 3>reasons we'll probably get into later.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>While blubber is not just regular fat tissue, it is

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<v Speaker 3>still basically fat tissue. It's similar to regular fat, also

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<v Speaker 3>known as adipose tissue, in that it is made mainly

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<v Speaker 3>of fat cells called adipocytes. Atopocytes are energy storage cells

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<v Speaker 3>that first form in an immature ste age without fat

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<v Speaker 3>or without much fat stored in them. They're initially mostly

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<v Speaker 3>protein and water, and then as the animal is able

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<v Speaker 3>to take in more food energy than needed to sustain

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<v Speaker 3>its metabolism, the extra energy is stored as lipid molecules.

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<v Speaker 3>In the now mature fat cell as atiposites accumulate these

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<v Speaker 3>liquid droplets for storage. They swell up in size, so

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<v Speaker 3>adipocytes are very stretchable cells. Their cells that can grow

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<v Speaker 3>and shrink as needed. When they fill up with fat,

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<v Speaker 3>they stretch and grow. When fat stores are depleted, they

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<v Speaker 3>can shrink back down to size.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Humans, as humans, we tend to have a very

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<v Speaker 2>toxic relationship just with the word fat, almost to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where it colors or creates a barrier to understanding

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<v Speaker 2>its necessity for an organism, or or at least that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way I have often been found in anytime I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading about like the actual purposes of fat, fatty tissue,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, of course this is actually super important.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're often just coded to, you know, buy the

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<v Speaker 2>media and culture to have to feel a certain way

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<v Speaker 2>about even the idea of a fat in our body.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess I can see that. Well, I would

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<v Speaker 3>encourage you out there to try to break that shackle

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<v Speaker 3>in your brain, like not to associate, you know, any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of negative cultural ideas or whatever with the idea

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<v Speaker 3>of fat biology. Like, fat is really interesting tissue and

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<v Speaker 3>it's really important, you know, it's almost I would almost

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<v Speaker 3>say it's like the biological equivalent of wealth in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, something that can be accumulated to

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<v Speaker 3>be used later and serves important purposes along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>So these fat cells, they can they can grow and

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<v Speaker 3>shrink as needed, and in most atipos tissue, these fat

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<v Speaker 3>cells are packed densely together and held together by what's

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<v Speaker 3>called an extracellular matrix, a kind of honeycomb mesh or

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<v Speaker 3>three D net made out of things like collagen fibers.

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<v Speaker 3>Collagen is the structural protein found in animal skin and

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<v Speaker 3>in connective tissues. A lot of cooks will be familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with collagen because structural collagen is a major part of

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<v Speaker 3>what makes certain cuts of meat tough, Like tough muscles

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<v Speaker 3>usually have a lot of collagen connective tissue in them,

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<v Speaker 3>and so these are the cuts that typically you have

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<v Speaker 3>to slow cook. You want to cook for a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe with moist heat, and that type of treatment tends

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<v Speaker 3>to turn these tough cuts of meat with a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of collagen tender. It makes them tender because the collagen

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<v Speaker 3>breaks down and turns into gelatin, giving the final product

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<v Speaker 3>a soft texture. This is part of what sets blubber apart.

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<v Speaker 3>Blubber has significantly more of this structural material than most

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<v Speaker 3>adipose tissue in the animal kingdom, more collagen, more elastic fiber.

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<v Speaker 3>And for this reason you can kind of think back

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<v Speaker 3>to the description in Moby Dick of the blubber as saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's kind of like firm, close grained beef,

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<v Speaker 3>but he describes it also as tougher, as elastic and compact.

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<v Speaker 3>There's something dense and springy about it. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 3>tough stuff. And I think a lot of this probably

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<v Speaker 3>comes from this extra collagen and elastic content. I expect

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get more into this in part two when we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about blubber as a food item, which it is,

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<v Speaker 3>especially for people living in the polar regions. But I

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<v Speaker 3>would suspect because of this extra collagen and structural fiber

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<v Speaker 3>that blubber is a good bit chewier and tougher than

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<v Speaker 3>most animal fat. Maybe we'll have to revisit that next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but certainly in the meantime, for any of you

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<v Speaker 2>out there who have personal culinary experience with blubber, go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and write in.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally yes please. And by the way, Iverson also in

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<v Speaker 3>this entry mentions the textural difference in blubber between blubber

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<v Speaker 3>and regular fat, not in the context of blubber as food.

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<v Speaker 3>She writes that blubber tends to have a quote firm, tough,

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<v Speaker 3>and fibrous character, distinct from most other animal fats, and

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<v Speaker 3>this toughness and strength gives blubber a lot of its

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<v Speaker 3>important adaptive qualities for the marine mammal. Another common structural

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<v Speaker 3>distinction that biologists make about blubber as opposed to other

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<v Speaker 3>adipose tissue is that it is highly vascularized. In Iverson's words, quote,

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 3>blubber also contains numerous blood vessels and specialized shunts called

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<v Speaker 3>arteriovenous anastomoses or avas, which allow larger and swifter blood

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<v Speaker 3>flow than would be possible through the capillaries alone and

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<v Speaker 3>are important to the thermoregulation process. So this is the

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<v Speaker 3>really key thing about blubber as an insulation method. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not just static insulation. Say like a beer cooler. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a beer cooler is really it's great. Beer cooler provides

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<v Speaker 3>great insulate You can put cold things in, It'll stay

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<v Speaker 3>cold a long time, even on a hot day. You

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<v Speaker 3>can put hot things in it. They'll stay hot for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time. You know, it's great, but how insulating

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 3>the cooler is does not change unless you open the lid.

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<v Speaker 3>Blubber is adapted to selectively either insulate the body and

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<v Speaker 3>keep the blood flow and thus heat exchange to the

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<v Speaker 3>outside minimal, or on the other hand, to allow rapid

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<v Speaker 3>voluminous blood flow through the fat tissue and near the skin,

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<v Speaker 3>including by connecting veins directly to arteries, or I think

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<v Speaker 3>these would be slightly smaller vessels like arterials and you

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<v Speaker 3>know the next step down from veins and arteries directly

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<v Speaker 3>connecting those things. And this is important because it gives

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<v Speaker 3>the animal a lot of control over its internal body temperature.

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<v Speaker 3>The blubber is an insulator that protects body heat against

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<v Speaker 3>the cold water when needed, and then allows the mammal

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<v Speaker 3>to wrap it dump excess heat into the water when needed,

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<v Speaker 3>for example during exertion to make more vigorous activity possible

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<v Speaker 3>without overheating, or just when it goes into hotter, warmer waters.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is going to be an outrageous overstatement of

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<v Speaker 2>the obvious, but sometimes I think these can be helpful,

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<v Speaker 2>like it is helpful to compare the blubber to a

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<v Speaker 2>blanket or a winter coat. But a winter coat or

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<v Speaker 2>a nice blanket is not a part of our body. No,

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<v Speaker 2>the blubber is a living part of the creature's body.

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<v Speaker 2>It is at once the thing it is using to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain its temperature and also the flesh that is being maintained.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like if a coat were part of your body,

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<v Speaker 3>and you could flip a switch to make the coat

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<v Speaker 3>either make you hotter or make you colder. Now, this

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<v Speaker 3>is another thing we will explore more as we go on,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's important to note that there are huge variations

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<v Speaker 3>in blubber thickness among marine mammals. I'm not sure if

0:25:56.600 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 3>the numbers that Melville gives in mobi deck about the

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 3>average thickness of a sperm whales blubber layer are correct,

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. Maybe he's in the zone, but

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 3>I have questions about that. But there is at least

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 3>large variability between species and between individuals. So as animal

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.959
<v Speaker 3>bodies get bigger, of course, it tends to be the

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 3>case that volume increases more rapidly than surface area. This

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 3>is sometimes known as the square cube law in animal

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 3>body sizes, and as a result, larger species tend to

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 3>have much thicker layers of blubber, so some examples given

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.919
<v Speaker 3>by Iversen in this entry are that you might get

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 3>arrange for like seven to ten centimeters of blubber in

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 3>a lot of adult seals, and then up to twenty

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 3>to thirty centimeters in fin whales, and then up to

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 3>fifty centimeters of blubber in the bowhead whale, which I'm

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 3>to understand is one of the most shocking and amazing

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.439
<v Speaker 3>blubber carriers in nature. Maybe the raining champion. I think

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna you've got some stuff about the bowhead whale,

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 3>don't you, Rob.

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we'll definitely be coming back to the bowhead whale

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>here in a bit. Now, I do want a note

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>real quick that in the different sources we were looking

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 2>at for this episode, we did find that sided blubber

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:20.640
<v Speaker 2>thickness for specific species of whale can vary quite a bit.

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 2>And I'm to understand this depends on what sort of

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 2>criteria you're using for measuring of the thickness, not so

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>much that like this source is wrong and this source

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>is right right.

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 3>So Iverson in this entry says that like, the bowhead

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 3>can be up to fifty centimeters of thickness. I don't

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 3>know if that's like at the absolute maximum the thickest

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 3>place or something, or if that's referring to an average.

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 3>But I think you had the book by Karwadine that

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 3>cited a lower figure but still a huge amount of blubber.

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Correct. Yeah, so either in either case, the bowhead whale

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>is the best. If you will, it is the most

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 2>bloody best. And we'll, yeah, we'll come back for a

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 2>little more on the bowhead because I think it will

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.879
<v Speaker 2>be illustrated to get into to get to know the

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 2>most blobbery whale, and in so doing learn why it

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>is so blubbery.

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Another thing that's amazing about these animals with these

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 3>thick blubber layers is how rapidly it can accumulate in

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 3>like a newborn marine mammal as it nurses. Iverson talks

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 3>about this, this idea that newborn seals have very little

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 3>blubber when they're born. They instead, the newborns usually rely

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 3>on fur for insulation, fur or maybe a fine type

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 3>of mammal hair found on newborns called lenugo, and these

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 3>baby seals cope with their lack of blubber by simply

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 3>delaying entry into the water. So you know, most baby

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 3>seals are born on land or born on ice, and

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 3>they'll have to wait until sufficient fat stores are built

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 3>up before they can dive in and go for that

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 3>wet life. But the blubber accumulates fast, So Iverson mentions

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 3>the example of a newborn harp seal or of Foca grenlandica,

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 3>in which blubber is only on average about six percent

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 3>of body mass when the seal is newly born and

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 3>the blubber is only made of about twenty percent fat,

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 3>and then after a mere twelve day lactation period, the

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 3>baby seals are often up to fifty percent blubber by

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 3>weight and the blubber is ninety percent fat, So six

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 3>percent of the body to fifty percent of the body

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 3>in twelve days. And you can see the opposite during

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 3>times of fasting when adults are separated from food, for

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 3>example nursing mothers. We can talk about that in a bit.

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 3>When adult marine mammals can't get food, fat stores rapidly deplete.

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 3>So what types of lipid molecules do you find in

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 3>marine mammal blubber. Well, marine mammal fats are mostly made

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 3>up of fats that these animals get directly from their

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 3>food sources, including long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids or PUFA,

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 3>and what Iversen calls quote unique fatty acids produced at

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 3>lower trophic levels of the marine ecosystem, meaning fats from

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 3>lower down the ocean food chain. That's the majority of it.

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 3>But marine mammals can also make their own fat. They

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:25.719
<v Speaker 3>can synthesize fat molecules from excess amino acids in the diet.

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 3>I think they probably could make fat out of carbohydrates

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 3>as well, but the diet of a marine mammal is

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 3>extremely low in carbohydrates. Usually they're doing that Atkins diet life.

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in many cases, but certainly with the maleene whales,

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the consumption of a lot of tiny

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>oceanic organisms.

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, I think we need to come back to

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 3>the idea of blubber as thermoregulation, because this is a

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 3>big deal. This is a big part of the evolutionary

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 3>function of blubber. In general, fat is an insulator. It

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 3>slows the exchange of heat. And I've read about some

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.959
<v Speaker 3>fun looking experiments designed for kids just to illustrate this.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 3>I kind of want to do one with my daughter.

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.479
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have time to do it before we did

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 3>this episode today, but maybe I'll get around to it soon.

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 3>So one of these experiments is called the Crisco glove

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 3>or the blubber glove test. So the way it works

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 3>is you get a bucket of ice bucket of ice water,

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 3>and then you make a couple of mittens out of

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 3>ziploc bags. So one is going to be your control mitten.

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 3>That's just two bags, one bag inside of the other

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 3>with nothing in them, and then your hand is inserted

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 3>into the inner bag and then the other pair of

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 3>bags is your test mitten. So your hand goes into

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 3>the inner plastic bag, and then that bag goes into

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 3>a second plastic bag with a layer of vegetable shortening

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 3>in between the two bags. And then the idea is

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 3>when you dip both hands into the water, you will

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 3>feel the difference. The layer of shortening in the test

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 3>bag insulates your hand and keeps it warm against the

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 3>cold water, while the hand in the control bag will

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 3>rapidly lose heat in the ice water and start to

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 3>feel very cold.

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I bet kids love this experiment. It has all

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the hallmarks of a great kids science experiments. It has

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>sliminess and goofiness, it has immersion in another substance. Yeah,

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little shocked. I'd never heard of it till now.

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know, it's a great illustration of this principle.

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 3>That's not just about blubber and marine mammals. Marine mammals

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>are not the only animals that use fat as a

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 3>form of insulation against the cold. There is a common

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 3>adaptation throughout the animal kingdom, but marine mammals face some

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 3>specific challenges when it comes to thermoregulation. First of all,

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 3>they live in the water, and cold water remove heat

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 3>from the body more rapidly than air of the same temperature.

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 3>If you doubt this, just try it. Just feel the

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 3>difference between standing naked in a room where the air

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 3>is sixty degrees fahrenheit and then standing naked in sixty

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 3>degree fahrenheit water. The difference is unbelievable. It is starting.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 3>The former is probably going to be a bit uncomfortable,

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 3>depending on your preferences. The latter is shocking. It will

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 3>make you gasp.

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've conducted this very experiment at the local YMCA

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>pool before.

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh, does it get that cold?

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>There and on. Sometimes it does, so it generally it

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>would mean that there's been a malfunction with the pool

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>heaters or I mean, that's the most extreme case. But

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I've also found that if there's like a rapid change

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>in temperature, like we go from a reasonably warm day

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 2>to suddenly it's winter weather, there's going to be a

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>little lag sometimes in the pool catching up. Ooh, so yeah,

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>those are the mornings. So mainly they heat or failure

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.959
<v Speaker 2>days where you're really shocked when you jump in.

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, same temperature, but the colt but the water

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 3>at that temperature is so so much more of a

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.720
<v Speaker 3>shock to your body. Water has a thermal conductivity about

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>twenty five times that of air, so it's just able

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to remove heat from your body so much faster. And

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 3>when you are surrounded by air, you also usually benefit

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 3>from a thin layer of warmer air that just hovers

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 3>around your skin. Warmed by your body, this small layer

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 3>of warmer air provides some insulation for you in itself.

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 3>No such luck really in the water. The water absorbs

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 3>your body's heat directly to whatever stint. There is a

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 3>warm layer of water around your body. When you're in

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 3>the water, it's microscopically tiny and does not really do

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 3>anything to help keep you warm. So you just out

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 3>of luck there.

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Your only help is going to come the form of

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 2>bodily exercise. Are getting dry, yeah, or getting out yeah,

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the transitioning to the hot tub for sure.

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 3>So cold water is just so much more unforgiving than

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 3>cold air. And so that's one thing. They're in the water.

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 3>The other thing is marine mammals, like all mammals, are

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 3>homeothermic indotherms. They produce their own body heat, and their

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 3>bodies need to stay warm or they will rapidly lose

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 3>functionality and die. They are not like there are animals

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 3>that whose body temperature can fluctuate much more throughout and

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 3>the animal will be okay. You know, homeothermic endo therms

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.760
<v Speaker 3>are not like that. The water is a harsh place

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 3>for a homeothermic endotherm to live.

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And Malvell alludes to this wonderful in that passage

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>you're at. Yeah.

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 3>So to get around this, marine mammals, they've got several adaptations.

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 3>One is size. Marine mammals are larger on average than

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 3>terrestrial mammals. Even the smallest marine mammals are pretty big,

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 3>especially when you think about the actual average size of

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 3>terrestrial mammals. I mean, there are so many extremely tiny

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 3>terrestrial mammals. I haven't calculated it, but I would guess

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 3>the average size of a terrestrial mammal is like a

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 3>large rat or something. But marine mammals, the smallest ones

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 3>are still fairly big by land mammal size. And this

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 3>is evolution taking advantage of the square cube law. Again.

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 3>As animal bodies get bigger, volume increases more rapidly than

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 3>surface area, and animals lose heat to the environment through

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:41.240
<v Speaker 3>their skin through their external surface area. So the internal

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 3>body volume makes and holds the heat, and then the

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 3>surface area, which decreases in proportion to that volume as

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 3>the animal gets bigger, is what loses the heat. Thus,

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 3>bigger body, greater relative heat retention.

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just a one more note on the largeness

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 2>of marine mammals, I mean, the biggest of the marine mammals,

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the blue whale is not only the biggest whale and

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 2>the biggest vertebrate and mammal alive today, it is the

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 2>biggest vertebrate and largest animal known to have ever existed.

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a body plan that works in the water.

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Big bodies help you stay warm in the cold water.

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 3>But the size is one thing. I Everson notes that

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 3>then the other thing, of course, is insulation. Now, blubber

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 3>is not the only form of insulation used by marine mammals.

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 3>In some cases, these animals rely on fur, which tends

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 3>to work best in air, specifically because fur works by

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 3>trapping one of those insulating layers of air around the body,

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:46.479
<v Speaker 3>so it traps air as insulation. But in cases where

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 3>fur would be less effective, like for animals that live

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 3>underwater all the time, blubber is going to be the

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 3>better option, especially because blubber works in both air and

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 3>in water. So in animals that live in the water

0:37:57.800 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 3>and then come out of the water, like some seals

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 3>and so forth, blubber is still going to be helpful

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 3>because it works in both places. Interestingly, some marine mammals,

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 3>like sea otters, are able to use fur as insulation

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 3>even in the water. And I got interested in why

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.840
<v Speaker 3>this is. It seems like this is because their fur

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.800
<v Speaker 3>is so good at trapping air. It can actually carry

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 3>an insulating layer of air with them when they dive.

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 3>So they go into the water and they take a

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 3>little bubble with them that's trapped in their fur. It

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 3>seems like this doesn't work, maybe if they dive too deep,

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 3>where water pressure will compress or push out the bubbles

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 3>of air and the insulation will be lost. And this

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.720
<v Speaker 3>is probably why you only see the preference for fur

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 3>over blubber retained in marine or semimarine mammals like otters

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 3>and polar bears, which spend significant time in the air

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 3>up on the land or on the ice and don't

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 3>need to dive too deep or for too long. As

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 3>I talked about earlier, bluffer is an amazing adaptation for

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 3>heat control because it is not a passive static form

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 3>of insulation. It's dynamic and it can change its insulating

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 3>properties as needed in the moment, particularly by changing how

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 3>it channels blood flow. So when warm arterial blood from

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 3>the center of the body flows out toward the skin,

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 3>it loses heat to the surrounding water and cools the body.

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 3>When that arterial blood is kept away from the skin,

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 3>it retains heat. And because blubber is so vascularized, it

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 3>can switch this heat exchanging blood flow on or off

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 3>depending on what the animal needs. So in cold water

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:46.399
<v Speaker 3>it can keep the blood further inside, keep it away

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 3>from the skin, and in warmer water or when the

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 3>animal is working out, it can open up the vessels

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 3>and shunts and allow the blood to dump heat into

0:39:55.680 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 3>the surrounding water through the skin. Unsurprisingly, given the we've

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 3>already talked about, marine mammals that live at higher latitudes

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 3>or swim in colder waters tend to have thicker blubber

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:12.240
<v Speaker 3>for their body size, and the smallest cetaceans are usually

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 3>not found at the highest latitudes.

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 2>You need extreme bodies for extreme environments.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.479
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Now, one more thing I want to mention before

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.280
<v Speaker 3>we get into your bowhead example, is another thing iverson

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 3>goes into, which is the specific role of blubber for

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 3>energy storage in marine mammals. Of course, you know, energy

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 3>storage is one of the main purposes of fat across

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 3>all the animal species that use it, but it has

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 3>a special role for marine mammals, especially in species that

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 3>migrate across great distances, using one environment for forage during

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 3>a fattening season, and then a different, sometimes far away

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 3>environment for important parts of their reproductive cycle. For example,

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 3>billen whales that travel to high latitudes in the summer

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 3>for feeding opportunities because of summertime booms and their planktonic

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 3>food sources at higher latitudes, and then we'll travel down

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 3>into warmer waters to give birth, to lactate and rear

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 3>their newborns.

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Gray whales are a great example of this, and wescuss

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>them in previous episodes.

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 3>That's right, Yeah, so I think you observed grey whales

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.760
<v Speaker 3>off the Pacific coast of Mexico.

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Is that right? Yes? I did. This was very much

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 2>they're breeding grounds.

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right. So this is where they're raising their

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.399
<v Speaker 3>young and then when season changes, they would travel back

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 3>up to around Alaska off the you know, the western

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:46.720
<v Speaker 3>coast of North America for feeding opportunities. And even when

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 3>great global migrations are not involved, reproduction and marine mammals

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:55.720
<v Speaker 3>often takes these animals away from feeding opportunities, for example,

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 3>winter dinning for the birth and nursing of cubs and

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 3>female polar bears. And this is especially interesting because of

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:07.720
<v Speaker 3>the increased metabolic demand on female mammals to produce milk

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:12.280
<v Speaker 3>after birth. So you know, after the mammal gives birth,

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 3>the mother's body is working overtime to synthesize rich, highly

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:22.399
<v Speaker 3>caloric nourishment for the newborn. In most mammals, the mother

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 3>needs to draw on fat reserves and feed herself externally

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 3>during this period to lactate enough for her young. But amazingly,

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 3>some baline whales and large seals are able to nurse

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 3>their young without eating hardly at all, drawing almost entirely

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 3>from blubber reserves, and this is very unusual in nature,

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Iversen writes. Quote in species that fast through lactation, females

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:56.360
<v Speaker 3>switch almost completely to a fat based metabolism. For instance,

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 3>during a sixteen day lactation period, a gray seal female

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.839
<v Speaker 3>draws ninety seven percent of the energy supplied to her

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 3>pup solely from her blubber stores. Wow and note that

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 3>the mother's blubber reserves during gestation will also dictate how

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 3>much blubber the pup is going to be born with

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 3>and then from here. Blubber also still plays an important

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 3>role in reproduction in the development of the young for

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 3>the pups because the blubber that they've gained during nursing

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 3>and that they're born with will sustain them after nursing

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 3>is over and until they're able to feed themselves. Blubber

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Iverson notes is also an important reserve of internal water.

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 3>I never really thought about this but she gives the

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 3>example of gray seals during lactation. The mother seal is

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 3>going to be losing a lot of water through milk

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 3>production and is fasting on land to feed her pups,

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 3>so she's not able to replenish water stores externally. Extra

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:04.280
<v Speaker 3>water comes from the oxidation of fat reserves in blubber

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 3>for metabolism, because when you burn fat inside your body,

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 3>water is a natural byproduct of that chemical reaction. This

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:17.000
<v Speaker 3>is called metabolic water. So metabolic water is produced, and

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 3>then that provides water that the mother mammal needs. Now,

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.919
<v Speaker 3>I want to note that in this entry, Everson also

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 3>gets into a lot of other interesting stuff about the

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 3>role of blubber and locomotion, buoyancy, movement, and other things.

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 3>We might talk more about those topics in the next

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 3>part in this series, but we want to definitely have

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.760
<v Speaker 3>time today to talk about the bowhead whale.

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.800
<v Speaker 2>That's right, yeah, And I think it'll be a helpful

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 2>exercise here to take everything we've discussed so far and

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>then look at a specific example of a high blubber

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 2>species and see how things begin to line up. And

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 2>as referenced to earlier, I got this information from the

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Handbook of Whales, Dolphins and Porposes of the World by

0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Mark Cardine. An excellent book for a anyone who just

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.239
<v Speaker 2>wants to read about whales at home, or if there's

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>any possibility that you'll get to see one out in

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the world going on any kind of like a whale

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>sight seeing tour, you know, And these are available all

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 2>over the place. It's worth having a copy of the book.

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 2>It's it's mobile. I've lent it to friends who have

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>gone on cruises before. It's a great read, lots of illustrations.

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>It informs you and also helps you in identifying what

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 2>you're looking.

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 3>At in the wild.

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 2>So we've already you know, mentioned you know what blubber is,

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 2>who has it? We've also mentioned, you know, what are

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 2>the biggest blubber containing animals out there. Obviously the blue

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 2>whale is going to be the biggest blubber animal. But

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 2>just because you're the largest blubber creature out there, it

0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean you're the animal with the most blubber

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 2>or the most blubber you know, for your body. The

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:05.399
<v Speaker 2>true blubber superstar is not the enormous blue whale. It's

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>not the fin whale, it's not the mighty sperm whale,

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's rather the whale species it's often ranked fifth

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 2>in overall size, and that is the bowhead whale.

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:17.279
<v Speaker 3>I just looked it up because I wanted to make

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 3>sure I was picturing the correct whale in my mind.

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 3>And the bowhead whale is going to be the one

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 3>that has some sort of bone structure or structure in

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 3>the head above the sort of curve of the mouth

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 3>that looks like a hump. It almost looks like a

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of bump in the nose, but it's on top

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 3>of the whale's head up above the eyes.

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, these are These are big, girthy whales, up

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.840
<v Speaker 2>to eighteen meters nearly sixty feet in length, weighing up

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 2>to one hundred and seventy tons, and on the girth front,

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>their maximum girth can exceed seventy percent of total length.

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 2>So these are big creatures, not as big as the

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 2>blue whale by most you know, measuring sticks, but it

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 2>is the whale with the most blubber. And we'll get

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 2>back to how it's it has a huge head, and

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 2>we'll get back to one of what that uh sort

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 2>of hump portion of the head is for. Uh, But yeah,

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:20.280
<v Speaker 2>these are These are enormous creatures. Uh. And in terms

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:25.320
<v Speaker 2>of the size rankings, they're generally ranked behind the right

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 2>whale right as in right handed or right as incorrect.

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:35.840
<v Speaker 2>The right whale is just a little behind the bowhead

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>whale and overall size. In fact, they look a lot alike.

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 2>The bowhead whale was once known as the greenland right whale. Briefly,

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 2>there are three varieties of right whale. The pygmy right

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.839
<v Speaker 2>whale is not a true right whale, and the name

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 2>right whale is thought to refer to one of two things,

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.799
<v Speaker 2>possibly both at the same time. So first of all,

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 2>there's English whaling wisdom that right whales were the correct whales,

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 2>the right whales to hunt, because they had this trifecta

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.879
<v Speaker 2>of features. They were slow, so easy to chase down

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 2>and kill, and then when you did kill them, they

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 2>were so buoyant from their blubber that they floated. They

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 2>definitely floated, so they were easier to harvest. And then

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 2>when they were harvested they produced high amounts of oil

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 2>and balen per individual. And the oil, of course is key.

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 2>We'll get into the balen as well. But in terms

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 2>of the bowhead whale, and the right whale species, they

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of blubber, and therefore they produced a

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of whale oil. Because whale oil was made from

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 2>rendered blubber. This was the product of whaling that was

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 2>most important to the whaling industry generally, certainly in its

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 2>later industrialized stages. You know, humans have hunted whales for

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 2>a very long time, but you know, whale oil was

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 2>one of the major products during the most destructive heyday

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 2>of human whaling. Now. But the other side of the

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 2>coin is that, apparently, according to Carwadine, mid nineteenth century

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:12.360
<v Speaker 2>scientific observations were made that these were the right whales

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 2>in that they were true and proper examples of what

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 2>a whale should be. Which I have a little harder

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 2>time wrapping my head around that one, because I mean

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:23.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like, what is the best whale? I mean, you know,

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>they're all they're all whales. But I think it comes

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>down to just sort of like basic body size identifiable

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 2>as a whale. It is a bleen whale and so forth.

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 2>All right, So coming back to the bowhead whale, Yes,

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 2>this is your blubber superstar baileina mistacetis, which means mustached whale.

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.359
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like it's going to be something about mysterious

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 2>whale or something, but no, it's mustached whale. And this

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 2>refers to the bowhead whales bleen plates. We talked about

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 2>baileen plates previously in our episode on gray whales. These are,

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of course the big filtery teeth like structures in the

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 2>mouth that home through plankton or the marine animals that

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.879
<v Speaker 2>they are consuming. And for the bowhead whale, these are

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.879
<v Speaker 2>the longest of any animal, up to four meters or

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 2>even five point two meters, so we're talking thirteen to

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:17.440
<v Speaker 2>seventeen feet long these baleen plates individually, and they're you know,

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of them in their mouths. And the name bowhead

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.880
<v Speaker 2>stems from their large, strongly arched or bow shaped rostrum

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and mouthline.

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, for a second, I thought that was what I

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 3>was talking about earlier, but the rosterum and the mouth

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 3>line would be different.

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this's more below and moving towards the front. What

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about is on the top of the head,

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to come into play here in just

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>a minute. Okay, So the key to the bowhead's massive

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 2>blubber reserves here is that it is an Arctic specialist.

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.439
<v Speaker 2>It more than anything lives up to that Melville line,

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 2>immersed to his lips for life in those Arctic waters

0:50:56.080 --> 0:51:01.239
<v Speaker 2>because it lives exclusively in the Arctic and Subarctic, and

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>it is the only baileen whale to do so. It

0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:07.960
<v Speaker 2>ventures up into the high Arctic during the summer again

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:11.640
<v Speaker 2>like all like other baileen whales, it moves north, chasing

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:16.000
<v Speaker 2>those blooms and the richness of food that it can

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 2>that it can achieve up there. But these guys go

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 2>really far north and then during the winter they go

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>back into the lower and Subarctic, but are thought to

0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 2>stay close to the ice edge. So for whales of

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:33.560
<v Speaker 2>this species venturing down into the Bearing Sea, that's snowbird behavior.

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 2>That's like pretty much as southern as they go. They're

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>definitely not going down to Mexico.

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Nice tropical vacation in Alaska, off the coast of Alaska.

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I mean this. I think this is the

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>most important thing to keep in mind about about them

0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and about the role of blubber in their lives is

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 2>that they they are extremists. They live in the cold

0:51:55.600 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 2>waters all the time and have are always in close

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 2>proximity to sea ice, so they have to have that insulation,

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and they have to have more insulation than any of

0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:09.320
<v Speaker 2>the other whales in the sea. Now, like other whales,

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 2>their main predator outside of human whalers, of course, is

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the orca. And according to Carwodine, the bowhead whale's close

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:20.840
<v Speaker 2>association with sea ice maybe how it primarily protects itself

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:25.479
<v Speaker 2>from killer whales that tend to avoid extensive Arctic sea ice.

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 2>The problem, of course is that due to climate change,

0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:30.880
<v Speaker 2>there is less and less sea ice out there to

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 2>protect them. So it's you know, kind of an open

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>question of how they will adapt and how they are

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 2>adapting to these changes. Now, coming back to what you

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 2>noted earlier about the shape, the upper shape of the

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<v Speaker 2>bowhead's enormous head. It lives in close proximity to sea ice,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will venture under sea ice when it's feeding,

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<v Speaker 2>and it can stay down for an extended period of

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<v Speaker 2>time depending on what it's doing and what the circumstances are. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>as with other whales, it's like if they were observed

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<v Speaker 2>while being chased by whalers, like, they can stay down

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<v Speaker 2>even longer. But bowhead whales will come up under the

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<v Speaker 2>ice and they can break through ice that is up

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<v Speaker 2>to sixty centimeters almost two feet thick. Whoa yeah, in

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<v Speaker 2>order to create their own breathing holes in the ice

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<v Speaker 2>large enough for that raised hump like part of their

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<v Speaker 2>enormous head to come out and allow their their blowhole

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<v Speaker 2>to gain access to the air.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to imagine that's true. They can break through

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<v Speaker 3>two feet thick of ice, Yeah, sixty unbel but that

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<v Speaker 3>would make more sense to me if if it is

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<v Speaker 3>true that they can take refuge from their only potential

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<v Speaker 3>predators by venturing further, you know, staying around the ice

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<v Speaker 3>and venturing further under the ice than their predator is

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<v Speaker 3>willing to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and also further under the ice than their

0:53:56.640 --> 0:54:00.399
<v Speaker 2>competitors willing to go. There are other, of course, far

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<v Speaker 2>northern aquatic mammals. You know, we've talked about nar walls before,

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<v Speaker 2>but the bowhead whales are pretty exceptional here.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The blubber, of course, provides them that thermal insulation we've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about physical predection, protection against environmental hazards certainly

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<v Speaker 2>as well as those energy stores. How much blubber do

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<v Speaker 2>they have? Well, as we noted earlier, your sources are

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<v Speaker 2>going to vary depending on how they're measuring the blubber,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also going to depend on where on the

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<v Speaker 2>body you're looking at. Carbadine says five point five to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight centimeters or roughly two inches to eleven inches

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<v Speaker 2>in thickness, so up to nearly a foot of thickness

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<v Speaker 2>in general, So again the thickest of any whale, depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how you're measuring it. The bowhead whale is still

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<v Speaker 2>going to be at the top of any list.

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<v Speaker 3>In one sense, I'm thinking, man, I would love to

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<v Speaker 3>see a cross section of that. But then on the

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<v Speaker 3>other hand, of like, oh, that's a little too real,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess because of the familiarity with the whaling contact

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<v Speaker 3>with it, you know, they really would be cut up

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<v Speaker 3>like that. But yeah, seeing a cross section of that

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<v Speaker 3>tissue I'm sure is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, because again they were heavily targeted by whalers

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<v Speaker 2>because like the right whales, they're also slow, deliberate swimmers.

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 2>We talked in the in previous episodes about whales how

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<v Speaker 2>you basically different to Different whales have different ways of

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the threat of orcas, and it generally comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to, like, are you going to try to outrun

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<v Speaker 2>it or are you going to fight it off? And

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<v Speaker 2>the bowhead whales are not going to outrun the orcas,

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<v Speaker 2>and they will turn and fight if needed. But again

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<v Speaker 2>it also seems like refuge in the sea ice is

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<v Speaker 2>also part of their strategy. But since they are slow,

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<v Speaker 2>deliberate swimmers, that's one of the reasons that humans thought

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<v Speaker 2>that they were ideal whales for hunting. You know. Sadly

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<v Speaker 2>this is as with you know, like other whale species,

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<v Speaker 2>like the gray whales. It's it's written that they are

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<v Speaker 2>rather cureious about humans. That they encounter humans and boats

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.799
<v Speaker 2>and so forth, you know, they'll come up and take

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<v Speaker 2>a look, which you know, makes it even all the

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<v Speaker 2>more tragic that we were so brutal towards them. Again

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<v Speaker 2>during this highly industrial period of human whaling, when they

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<v Speaker 2>were you know, intensely hunted and threatened, and as human

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<v Speaker 2>whalers took advantage of that slow speed, their rich balen

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<v Speaker 2>and their blubber and the latter of which of course

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:32.200
<v Speaker 2>also made them so buoyant. So all these things made

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<v Speaker 2>them ideal prey for whaling enterprises.

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<v Speaker 3>But also such an amazing example of what Melville talks

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<v Speaker 3>about the you know, the the rare virtue of the

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 3>strong individual vitality, the thick walls, and the virtue of

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 3>interior spaciousness that takes his weather with him where he

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 3>goes and is immersed to his lips for life in

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<v Speaker 3>those Arctic waters.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe, you mentioned your desire to see a cross section

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<v Speaker 2>of the bowhead whale. Quick image search revealed several very

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:08.839
<v Speaker 2>interesting looking cross sections illustrations of course, so I would

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:12.040
<v Speaker 2>encourage folks to look those up in general, Like the

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:15.279
<v Speaker 2>inside of a whale is always fascinating because you know,

0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 2>their bone structure is so unique and alien but also familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we can't help but imagine if we ourselves

0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 2>embarked on some on such an evolutionary journey of the body.

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<v Speaker 2>And just also the scale that they're on. Anytime there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's a reminder of just like how big is a

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<v Speaker 2>human compared to you know, the guts of a particularly

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<v Speaker 2>large whale. It's just it's mind Rand.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Rob, are you excited to talk about blubber for

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<v Speaker 3>at least one more episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, we we we barely scratch the surface

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<v Speaker 2>of the blubber when it comes to human uses for it.

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't you know. We may come back to whale oil,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's so many other uses for certainly the colon

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 2>uses I think we're going to be very interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>get into, which tend to be tied to older whaling traditions,

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<v Speaker 2>that we're more in balance with the creature's natural patterns. Yeah,

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