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Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, John Osier and NFL Network analyst and

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Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on George

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Speaker 1: Jackson pill Jaguars. We've got to look to the draft,

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, April twelve.

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Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick with NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks. Jaguars

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Speaker 1: But if you're listening, that means you're already there and

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us again. Bucky, how are you today? Man?

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Speaker 1: Here we are two two weeks and one day from

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