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Speaker 2: All right, I'm rolling out my bad oops, oopsy?

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Speaker 1: Do you get a haircut? I did not know it's

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Speaker 1: You clearly are a curious person enough to you know,

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Speaker 1: I know. I definitely that ran through my mind. And

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Speaker 3: The chances were lower. But could you imagine you're sitting there,

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00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 3: I mean and someone walks over, Oh my god, Payne

438
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: Lindsay my favorite true.

439
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: We talked about like how we get out like we

440
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: had we had like yeah, you had a back door

441
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: or something, uh huh, or like if somebody like we

442
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: bought a drink and they're like, let me see your

443
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: ID and they're like, oh, like right right, Lindsay, It's

444
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, oh Goad you got to think

445
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: about all that stuff. So we thought about everything and

446
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: it just worked out. But yeah, I think for me,

447
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: like it's calculated risks that I want to take and

448
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable doing them like I was. I

449
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: was really uncomfortable doing that.

450
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: That's fascinating.

451
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't miss it. Yeah, I'm glad to be here

452
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: talking to you today.

453
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 3: You should have the most like random out for that. Like,

454
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: all right, if we're in a restaurant and all of

455
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 3: a sudden someone comes over and recognizes me. Immediately we

456
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: have someone around the corner, like in a clown outfit

457
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: with birthday balloons that come in and just cause like

458
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 3: a big scene because it's like they think it's both

459
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 3: of your birthdays or something and just have a big

460
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: mix up and go, I don't know what's going on here, man,

461
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: this is so crazy weird thing. Let me go sort

462
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 3: this out and then you're like out of there. So

463
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: you'd be good at this, yeah, well good at faking

464
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: a getaway.

465
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: Sure. I actually think that stuff you should Know is

466
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: one of the best true crime podcasts out there.

467
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 3: Well, if we're being real here dabbling that a little bit.

468
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, yeah, you guys go to places

469
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily go in terms of level of research. Yeah,

470
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: the amount of like context you guys provide on a

471
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: subject matter. I think that in a low key way. Yeah,

472
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: I mean that.

473
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we you know, we mix them in

474
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: here and there. We have a real family friendly, kid friendly,

475
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: you know show. As you know, we can't go too

476
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: dark and we can't do too many of them. So

477
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: but we've done like, you know, the Mascilla Axe murders,

478
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: and you know, we've done we've done some dark stuff

479
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: here and there, but it's all it's usually like a

480
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: pretty like super interesting, interesting historical story. We don't do

481
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: a lot of just kind of you know, your your standard.

482
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: It has to have some weird historical angle almost Okay,

483
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: I feel like when we've done true crime.

484
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's uh. I like experiencing it that way.

485
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: I think it's a good that's a good way in

486
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: and people like them and other people you know, were

487
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 3: from parents. Sometimes we're like, oh, you guys have done

488
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 3: too many of those, like you know, because we don't

489
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 3: do much. We do like every maybe four or five

490
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: a year, we'll do it like a crime story.

491
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Have you heard for sixteen years. Somebody random on the

492
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: internet say I missed your old stuff.

493
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: I made the mistake of getting on Reddit. I'm not

494
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: a big red You.

495
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: Deleted your account? Man, what happened? I did? Well? Yeah,

496
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: that No, that was the plan.

497
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: Actually was like I'm going to get on and Reddit

498
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: for two weeks and like answer as many questions as

499
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: I can and clear up as much shit as I can,

500
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: because I didn't realize it's a thing on Reddit to

501
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 3: like speak with great confidence about something that you.

502
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: Have no idea about.

503
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: Oh you didn't, No, And there were a bunch of people,

504
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean nice enough people and the stuff you should

505
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: know read it though that were like, oh, well, these

506
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 3: guys they haven't liked each other for years and they

507
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: don't even speak outside of work, and Jerry's quitting any

508
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: day now, and like all this stuff where.

509
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you guys talking about? Stop?

510
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: So I announced myself. It was like, hey, I'm here.

511
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: I'll answer questions for like two weeks, and I made

512
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: it like four days. And it really like I've left

513
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 3: all of social media years ago, except I'd enjoy Instagram still.

514
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: And that was just a great mental health move and read.

515
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: It sucked me in so hard. It felt like I

516
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: used to feel just anxious and like what are they saying?

517
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: And all this stuff, and so I didn't last long

518
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, this has been fun everyone,

519
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm deleting the account and leaving. But I did. I

520
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: answered a ton of questions, almost like a just a

521
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: drawn out AMA.

522
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: So when you decided to detox from social media? What

523
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: had driven you to that point? Oh?

524
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: You know how it goes just the way people fight

525
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: online and give a person a mask and they'll show

526
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: their true face, like just so ugly, and it's just

527
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't any good for me. It was taking my

528
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 3: life in a in a bad, unhealthy.

529
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: Direction, like negativity.

530
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, just constant negativity and just sucked in too much,

531
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: you know, and especially when when you're married and you

532
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: have a freaking eight year old daughter.

533
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: Now do I really want to spend my time? Am

534
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: I uplate? Reading comments? Yeah?

535
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: And I wasn't even like doing the arguing and engaging necessarily,

536
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: but just reading through threads of people arguing politics and god,

537
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: it's just I realized, like this is not getting me anywhere,

538
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: it's not making any change. It's like all it's doing

539
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: is just upsetting me and me taking time away from

540
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: you know. It's not like I was like locked up

541
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: there and my daughter was like, where's Daddy. Yeah, he's like,

542
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: oh he's reading Facebook.

543
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: It's just like, hey, he's on Facebook again. Yeah. Yeah, sorry,

544
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: he's posting those weird articles. Yeah. True.

545
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: But it was enough to where I was just like,

546
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 3: this is no good. So I got out of it.

547
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: And after I'd made the decision to pull myself out

548
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: of that, to find myself back in it was like

549
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: I don't like this.

550
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: I got to get back out of here. Yeah, I

551
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: totally get that.

552
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but people are pretty cool, Like stuff you Know

553
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: is a really good sub reddit.

554
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: I think it seemed like yeah, again, I like everyone's cool.

555
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: It was cool to see that.

556
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a little while. I had a show called

557
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: movie Crush for a few years.

558
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: Through the Ultimate film buff Man.

559
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm into it. And movie Crush was

560
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: an interview show and I had never done anything like that,

561
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: and that was a real and you ask about doing

562
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, stuff you should know for so long and

563
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: how do you keep it sort of fresh? Like movie

564
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: Crush was a very purposeful move by me to like

565
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: do my solo record or something.

566
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: For lack of passion project written all over it. Yeah,

567
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: and it was a badass in your own chuck way.

568
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It was fun and I totally enjoyed it,

569
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: and I miss it a lot as well. But like

570
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: that allowed me to scratch an itch that to do

571
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: something like that I had never done, to sit down

572
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: with someone and interview and have a conversation about a movie,

573
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: either life or whatever, and so like I get the urge.

574
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like, creatively speaking, what's something like that that

575
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: you'd want to do next? What are those things that

576
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: are on the horizon? Yeah, for your legacy, I guess right. Uh,

577
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: PAIN have been thinking a lot about this.

578
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: I know my friend I would like to make a documentary.

579
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 3: I think, hell yeah, I've always loved documentaries and like

580
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: it's a I think it's one of the most doable things.

581
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: Nothing is easy, but as far as your chances of

582
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: writing a screenplay and making a movie that gets released,

583
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: like that is such a long shot. And that's you know,

584
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 3: I used to want to do that stuff. I still

585
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: write scripts, yeah, kind of for fun, But like a

586
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: documentary feels like very doable. You don't have to have

587
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 3: as much money to raise. It's actually have connections now

588
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: through podcasting that you know, I could probably get it

589
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: seen by people and maybe on a on a Netflix

590
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 3: or something like. Yeah, that seems like an attainable thing.

591
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, documentary is really interesting on what subject matter.

592
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, what are you kicking around in there?

593
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: I've had a.

594
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: Bunch of ideas from like a documentary on guitar solos.

595
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: There's never been one, which is amazing to me, just

596
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: on solos in general, sort of the history of it,

597
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: how they've evolved, the top ones ever, interview musicians about

598
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: their process of like, yeah, how you write a an

599
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: iconic solo? Like I just think that would be really

600
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: cool on a guitar player, So like, I think that

601
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: would be a really cool doc. So that's sort of

602
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: the higher profile idea. But I'm also I have my

603
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: like documentary indie guy Roots, where I would love to

604
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: do a documentary on something like the relationship between public

605
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: libraries and unhoused people, because it's always ever since the

606
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: Internet went into libraries, there have been on house folks

607
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: going in there to be on the Internet, and it's

608
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: a thing like going to any public library and there

609
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: are unhoused people on the public computers surfing the net,

610
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: you know, like so they don't have this stuff, so

611
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: that's where they go, and they'll they'll sit in there

612
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: and like do whatever people do online. And I just

613
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: think there's a I don't know, it seems like the

614
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: story in there somewhere.

615
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: That is pretty cool, especially if you were like follow

616
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: some people.

617
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think that's the idea is different.

618
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: Story is different. You get to know people like, well,

619
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: this this person's interesting because they'd be like ultimately like

620
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: the human story. Yeah, within that is kind of the

621
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: coolest thing and you don't even know what that is yet.

622
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And one part about a documentary, The coolest thing

623
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: about documentary sometimes is when it becomes something that you

624
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: didn't set out to do. Some of the best ones

625
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: ever started out as a thing and ended up another thing,

626
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: whether it was Vernon, Florida or Sherman's March is like

627
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: sort of a classic when these are like really really old,

628
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: but they both famously started out with an angle and

629
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: completely changed course. Yeah, once they got to where they

630
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: were going, or once the story revealed itself. Have you

631
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: ever heard or seen Vernon Florida?

632
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: No, what is that?

633
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: It was Errol Morris's Okay, I think second documentary, One

634
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: of the Goats. Yeah, one of the Goats and one

635
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: of my all time favorites. But I think the story

636
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: I may be getting some of this wrong, but I

637
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: think the story is that he went down to this

638
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: place Vernon, Florida, sort of Inland Panhandle in the early

639
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: or I guess it was mid eighties, because his town

640
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: was well known. It was called Stumpville as the name name,

641
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: because it was a town that was well known for

642
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: people cutting off limbs to get insurance payments. So there

643
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: were what do you mean, there were more than I

644
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: don't know how many people enough to make it an

645
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: interesting documentary of people who would like cut off their

646
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: their hand or something.

647
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Was there not a better way to do this? I

648
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: mean this is.

649
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: Vernon, Florida in the eighties. Yeah, right, so like Florida, Yeah,

650
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: I mean it's Inland pans And he got down there

651
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: all of a sudden investigating, you know, this insurance thing,

652
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: and he was basically kind of was going to be

653
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: run out of town, you know guys with I'm not

654
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: sure like how threatening it got with like weapons or anything,

655
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: but they're basically like, you need to get the fuck

656
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: out of here, you don't belong here, that you're not

657
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: telling the story. But when he was down there, he

658
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: was like, well, let me just pivot and like the

659
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: people here are the story. And he just verned Florida

660
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: is literally I think it's probably like maybe eight or

661
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: so nine people that he just bevignettes between, from the

662
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: town sheriff to like the turkey hunter and these people

663
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: he would just sit down and talk to him and

664
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: that's a documentary and they're just like some of them

665
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: are batshit crazy, some of them are interesting and weird.

666
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: They're all a little strange. I feel like, if you

667
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: were to cut off your own limb, yeah you come

668
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: back through the insurance money, Well, yeah, that's commitment.

669
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: I guess it would set it up like an accident

670
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: or something like.

671
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: I guess there would be fraud there because they're lying

672
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: about how it happened.

673
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but I mean, shit, no, no, it's for

674
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: sure fraud.

675
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: But like it's one of those things where all was like, hey,

676
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: like how much to cut your leg off?

677
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

678
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: In real life?

679
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's fraud. Plus, I guess

680
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: because it's not like they're faking, like, oh, I didn't

681
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: really lose my arms tied behind my back.

682
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: It's like they just did get something.

683
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: They went forward at least. Yeah, I just get a

684
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: little like the minimum whatever. Yeah, that would just be

685
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: some like billionaire's kinks, like pay people to cut digits

686
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: off or something.

687
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: It's like a movie that's like that, right, yeah, really

688
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: not a good one. But actually, strangely enough, Like a

689
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, I saw on Reddit, like that

690
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: WTF sub reddit. It pusts like random pictures there. I

691
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: want to go back and see it now. I think

692
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: it might have been this. It was like this guy

693
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: is cutting off his legs for insurance fraw. It wasn't

694
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: like a graphic thing put his legs were in this

695
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: like cooler and they had these like tourniquits on it.

696
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I was like, is this guy really doing that for insurance?

697
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: But then like you say the answer right now, and

698
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: I was like, well, shit, I guess there's a whole

699
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: documentary on that.

700
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine. It feels like everything's harder to get

701
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: away with these days than it probably was in the eighties.

702
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean even with crime, Like I mean

703
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: thank God. But it's hard to get away with a

704
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: crime now, you know, absolutely back in the old days.

705
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: You know, that's why they had serial killers back then, more,

706
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: I think, because you could get away with that stuff,

707
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: and they were doing it with impunity. They were doing

708
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: it lazily.

709
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

710
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Jeffrey.

711
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: Dahmer was like accidentally doing it like he was so yeah,

712
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: he was bad at it, but also got away with it.

713
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, ridiculous. Like well, and uh, I think, wasn't it

714
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: Ted Bundy, who, like he had a series of murders.

715
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: He's remembered for the walking into the sorority in the

716
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: University of Florida, But like that was the end. He

717
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: had been doing that for a long long time and

718
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: getting away with it, and finally I think just sort

719
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: of snapped and like if I'm remembering right, Yeah.

720
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: And then also you escape from prison, like oh that's right,

721
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: that's like stuff that only l Choppo can do now. Yeah, well,

722
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: like if you escape, they're gonna get you. Yeah, they

723
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: somehow always find you. Yeah, you can't get away with

724
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: shit anymore. But I know, well it's pretty great too.

725
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: That's like people was like, oh New York when it

726
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: was a big shithole that was those were the days.

727
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: What do you feel about AI?

728
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 3: Oh boy, all right, Matt's lapping.

729
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

730
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: Here's my deal with AIS. I think it has a

731
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: ton of really great applications, And it's not something like

732
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: that I'm like super against as a concept, because I

733
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: do think as great applications. But the one thing that

734
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: I haven't heard a lot of people talking about that

735
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: it would be the big concern for me is as

736
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: far as replacing humans and their their jobs is more like,

737
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: what if there was advances so quickly thirty percent of

738
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: the world's workforce was out of work within like a

739
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 3: year span, and like that's what worries me, is not like, oh,

740
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: like I don't am.

741
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: My job of it. Yeah, it's sort of like that.

742
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: That would wreck repercussive world's.

743
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 3: Economy for sure, if all of a sudden that many

744
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: people were all of a sudden out of work.

745
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

746
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: That's the kind of thing I think about is that

747
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: it's it's it won't be like a steady enough progression

748
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: and build and it would be like a catastrophic like

749
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: over the course of two years, like yeah, you know,

750
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: forty million people.

751
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: Worldwide lost their jobs.

752
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: That'd be horrible, right, Yeah, I think that would be

753
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: very bad for everybody.

754
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: I got some filmmaker friends. Don't know, if you've seen

755
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: the like the what's that called Dylan? The new uh

756
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: like AI video stuff that's crazy Sora where they're basically

757
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: making movies. Yeah, shorts works. It's like you can't discern

758
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: it from real or not. It looks better than like objectively.

759
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's interesting. I mean as sort of artist

760
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: creators ourselves, it's it's definitely like, uh, I'm not like

761
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 3: I'm on the way out, so I'm not worried about myself.

762
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: And maybe there's a future whether I don't think it

763
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: would replace like the film, like the movies in Hollywood, right,

764
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: it could live alongside it though, Yeah, And there may

765
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: be a day where it's like, oh, these are AI

766
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: movies and these are regular movies.

767
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: Like a verified thing almost or something. Yeah, like yeah,

768
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: kind of feel like it's a I can almost look

769
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: at it like the Internet, right, Like let's go look

770
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: to like nineteen ninety six or something. Right, if you

771
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: were like I'm not doing that whole Internet thing, well

772
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna eventually.

773
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: I think everyone's doing well you're gonna go to the

774
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: library and do it right.

775
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think it's like because of

776
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: AI and what it is and like how it's been

777
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: developed in the first place, it isn't going away. Yeah,

778
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: it's more about how it assimilates with our lives and

779
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, what we choose to do with it and

780
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: how we perceive that as people in society.

781
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'm not sure about Josh. Actually, you

782
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: know my co host, Josh Clark. He did a limited

783
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: series called The End of the World with Josh Clark

784
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: where he went through I can't remember how many or

785
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: either eight or ten, what's it tough, like existential risks

786
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 3: potentially like you know, world ending risks, and he went

787
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: through each one, whether it was you know, nuclear war

788
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: or this or that, and AI was one of them obviously,

789
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: So he would could speak a lot more to the

790
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: idea that I don't know a lot about a I.

791
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: You know, when it learns so you know, becomes sentient

792
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: or whatever and sort of at that point where like

793
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: they take over, like Josh could speak like intelligently and

794
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: about that.

795
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: I'm also not as verse, but I got some friends

796
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: who I'm like, oh, yeah, that is crazy. I guess

797
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: that does make sense that I forget exactly how they

798
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: told me, right, but it's.

799
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how big of a threat that is.

800
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: I don't really know either.

801
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it sounds a lot like that Will

802
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: Smith movie or something. You know, It's like, shit, there's a.

803
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: Lot of side by out there that reinforces something.

804
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: You know. Wow, we've our own imaginations have.

805
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're catching up to it.

806
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

807
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

808
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: Even in the the UAP space, was that the ufosh Okay,

809
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts on that or what a

810
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: UAP stand for Unidentified aerial phenomenon the sort of the

811
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: new thing, that's the new thing that like the government

812
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: kind of labeled it as more military sounding firm.

813
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: No, fine, whatever, uf sounds way cooler, I said, we

814
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: really need to distance ourselves from UFO.

815
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we kind of liked that. Yeah, there's a

816
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: little coookie sounding. Yeah, it sounds up two more professional. Yeah,

817
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: we're podcasting here.

818
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: You know, Painna haven't kept up. I know there's been

819
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff in the past couple of years

820
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 3: with like a sort of more official government admissions, whether

821
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: it's like an Air Force pilot who saw something and

822
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: you know, like, I know there's more stuff officially sort

823
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: of on record, but I don't know a lot about it.

824
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: I would not and maybe, you know, movies have primed

825
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: us and maybe that's you know, one of the conspiracies

826
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: is that that's why they started making those movies because

827
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: the government really knows, and let's get all these sci

828
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: fi movies out there about aliens. So one day when

829
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: it all happens, people will be like, oh, sure, I

830
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: love et and out for whatever. Yeah he's cute, So

831
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: maybe that's part of it. But if it if it

832
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: came out as like a real thing and they're like, oh, yeah,

833
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: this there's intelligent life out there, and whether they're future

834
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: humans or just whatever, you know, zargons, I would buy it.

835
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be like, no, I'm not sure about that.

836
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd say, Okay, sure I believe that or do you

837
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: staying on it now? Do you believe that there's intelligent

838
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: life out there? I mean educating it's probably got to be, right,

839
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I feel like there has to be.

840
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: It seems like it really as vast as universes. It

841
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: would be a big anomaly, right, and anomaly if the

842
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: Earth was the only place right, But shit, I don't know.

843
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: I do like the idea of them being future humans

844
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: though that that to me is kind of a cool idea.

845
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: I still think they're not aliens, they're just us, you know.

846
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: Million maybe that's true, But I feel like that still

847
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: straddles on the line of that's easier for us to digest,

848
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: that's looking at it through the lens of like, we're Earth, right, right,

849
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: we're humans on Earth, So this is just future aliens

850
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Right, that's pretty funny, very fling

851
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: of us. But shit, maybe that's true, right, I often wonder,

852
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, I think there definitely is intelligent life out there.

853
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: I think that there's some accounts out there that are

854
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: so strong and back that I'm like, okay, well, what

855
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: else happened then? Right, Like, this isn't a crazy person.

856
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: There's so many witnesses what happened. But let's just say

857
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: for a second, plane Devil's advocate that you know, we

858
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: are the only intelligent beings in the entire universe, right, then,

859
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: I think it's a weirder anomaly that we have advanced

860
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: this far in our own intelligence, in our own imagination,

861
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: that we've collectively convinced ourselves that this is happening when

862
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: it isn't. Right.

863
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Like if.

864
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: You were to zoom out and it's just us over

865
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: here fucking debating it, it's like that would be insane.

866
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: But also I don't know, but I think that sounds

867
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: sillier because I think the science continues to prove how

868
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: much larger and older the universe is than we ever thought. Sure,

869
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: and I don't think that we're ever going to hit

870
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: a wall here. I think that we're learning that it's infinite,

871
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: the infinite.

872
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: There's no Truman show. Uh right, there's no lull that

873
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: you punched into it in the end.

874
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: Huh. So I don't know, it's fun to talk about.

875
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: I do see that. You know, I'm not much of

876
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory guy, honestly, Like you know, they were

877
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: always fun as a kid, but it's like, yeah, you know,

878
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: they're just more fun than they are realistic, Like yeah,

879
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: it's not I like the fun ones, Like it's fun

880
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: to talk about. Like JFK, do you think that it was?

881
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: I just think it was. Oh, I just meant more

882
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: like Bigfoot? Oh Bigfoot? Is that conspiracy? Though? Well?

883
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: Do you believe maybe like conspiracy No, probably not. You

884
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: just want to believe in Bigfoot because that'd be cool. Yeah,

885
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: bigot would be great, right. Or maybe there was a

886
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: Bigfoot and he just died, Yeah that was some like uh.

887
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: Or maybe it's just some crossbreed animal that learned how

888
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 3: to walk on its legs or something.

889
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: And that's the stuff that people say that who are

890
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: like really like enthusiasts or like it's totally possible that

891
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but like you're also simultaneously saying that

892
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: there is a creature that is the best ultimate Hide

893
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: and Seek player ever, right ever? Yeah, Yeah, I don't know,

894
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: like unless it's interdimensional or something. Now we're getting weird. Yeah,

895
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: but you know, people see weird stuff, and you know,

896
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it's unexplained. I've always been a fan

897
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: of that. But I feel like, from a basic standpoint,

898
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: the UFO stuff is always fun because I feel like,

899
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, we've only learned that we're incredibly small. Yeah,

900
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: And I do think it'd be a culture shock worldwide

901
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: if we bursted the bubble and like we had to

902
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: reframe just where we were. Yeah, And I think a

903
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: lot of religions based on stuff that happened here on earth,

904
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: and you know it would be on a you feel

905
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: about religion or how deep you want to go into that.

906
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, well, yeah, yeah, did we tell

907
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: ourselves these things? To be better people? Did someone tell

908
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: us this stuff?

909
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: I mean, is it every religion? Just like, uh, at

910
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: some point humans made up the gods to explain why

911
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't raining or why you know, Tuk Took died

912
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: or or.

913
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: Whatever, like isn't isn't that the birth of all religion? Really?

914
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of like that. You know, there's there

915
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: are gods that control all this stuff and uh, and

916
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: the and you know they fell away and then the

917
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: ones that stuck were were the big ones, you know,

918
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: like yeah, Christianity and Islam and you know it's like

919
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: the Internet boom, like when all those websites happened, you know,

920
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a handful to stick around.

921
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm more of a science of religion itself, you know,

922
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: I like to pay for my religion. I saw a

923
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: I saw a maybe ghost once? Did you really? Yeah?

924
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: Maybe ghost? Maybe ghost?

925
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: So I'm not generally on record as like being some

926
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: believer and like that kind of stuff. Well I like

927
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: it more now but I saw maybe ghost once to

928
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: the point where I was like, all right, well.

929
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Like what do I know? Well, what was it?

930
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: Uh?

931
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: It was in college. I told the story on Stuff

932
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: you should know before, But it was in college in

933
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: Athens in the mid nineties. My friend and I were

934
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: coming home from being out and rounded a corner in

935
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: a neighborhood and in the approaching four way stop intersection,

936
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: I saw it first. There was a and I swear

937
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 3: to God, I'm not making him this up. All right,

938
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: I'm not some big ghost guy this but this this happened.

939
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: But there was a woman standing in the middle of

940
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: the intersection with that looked like she was two hundred

941
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: years old.

942
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like she was like physically that

943
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: old or from y years ago.

944
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: No, she looked like just old, the oldest, and you

945
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: could imagine, just looked super super terrifying. Yeah, me, okay, yeah,

946
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: it's a little horror movie esque. And I swear I'm

947
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: not making this up.

948
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: Pain.

949
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: She was wearing a black robe with a purple sash,

950
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: and she was standing right in the middle of the intersection,

951
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: and she was and I'm illustrating for pain everyone, I'm

952
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: standing up. She was standing like this, and she was

953
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: holding a book in her hand like this, and it

954
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: looked like a bible. I don't know, but it was

955
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 3: like a big, thick, gold leafed book. I'm not saying

956
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: like it was a bible, but it looked like a bible.

957
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: M'd have been a fucking dictionary, what do I know.

958
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: And we pulled right up on this lady going. We

959
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: were approaching this far away stop, so it wasn't like

960
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: we were going super bass. Probably slowed down to like

961
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: ten miles an hour. We turned right in front of

962
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: her and to the point where we were just a

963
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: few feet from her, and I looked at her the

964
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: whole time. She did not blink, she did not move,

965
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: she didn't do anything. She was completely whole.

966
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't like opak er see through at all. Uh.

967
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: And my friend drives like fifty feet and he's, you know,

968
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: he's screaming at this point.

969
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: He's like, what the fuck is that, dude? And I'm like,

970
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. And he stops and

971
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: I turn and look behind us. There's nothing there, of course,

972
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: and gone now completely gone, And to this day like

973
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: he's still one of my best friends. Every now and

974
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: then We'll be hanging out and be like, hey, Brett,

975
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: what was that, right, And he's like, I don't know, man,

976
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But we didn't.

977
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: We weren't seeing things, we weren't hallucinating. It was a

978
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: real experience that happened. And there's no explanation to me

979
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: other than either a ghost or you know, some like

980
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: you know, some crazy old lady, which is probably scarier.

981
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 3: Almost so, do you probably one or two in the morning,

982
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: you know.

983
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in fact that your friend saw it too. Oh,

984
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: I could have easily written it off as like I

985
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I was tired that night, I know. So

986
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: do you do you still drop acid? Or no?

987
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: I haven't in a long time. No, this wasn't drug induced.

988
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: I mean, we have been out believe stuff, but it wasn't.

989
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: You know, this is you know, just see things.

990
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: So when you say that she was like frozen, do

991
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: you mean like she was standing so still, so still

992
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: or was it almost like like a like a an

993
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: image of.

994
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: It, like now she looked like a real person, I.

995
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Guess, I mean, like, okay, if it was a real person,

996
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: Like what's a good example. It's almost like the matrix, right,

997
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: and you go back like out of the matrix and

998
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: you're you're like body elaying there. It's like not you're

999
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: like not in there. It's like she's somewhere else, but

1000
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: like there's like a there's a thing right here. Was

1001
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: it like or was did it seem like she was

1002
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: like present and standing still? Scary? You know, that's a

1003
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: good question, like did she seem like alive? Is she

1004
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: like holding her breath or was it like a shell

1005
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: of a thing. That's why we're still like that. I

1006
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: don't know, all right, that makes sense. I've never thought

1007
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: about that. That's a great question. It looked more like.

1008
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 3: It looked more like just a person's really really still,

1009
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 3: you know, I'm trying to remember exactly. That's the idea

1010
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: that we got. But but also you know, maybe it

1011
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: was someone that was like the best prank ever and

1012
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: someone had like a literal sort of Madame Tusso's wax

1013
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: person that looked like completely real and ran out and

1014
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: put her out there, like who knows?

1015
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: It might have been I don't.

1016
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: Know, right like I did, I told you after I

1017
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: looked into it, like this is yeah, this was like

1018
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: kind of right before the internet, and so there was

1019
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: no way to look that stuff up. But a few

1020
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: years ago I went and I I found the intersection

1021
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: in Athens, uh, because I wasn't you know, I could

1022
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: remember the street names or whatever, and I did as

1023
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: good a research as I could, as far as like

1024
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: if anyone died there or like tried to find stuff out,

1025
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: and I kind of came up empty. So how do

1026
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: you I mean, obviously it happened and your friend was there.

1027
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. It's probably like an inside

1028
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: joke down like what was that? Like we'll never know, yeah,

1029
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: but like how does that like how do you view that?

1030
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: Like that was weird? Yeah, it rationally explained it away, right,

1031
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: But like if it wasn't the wax doll, which is.

1032
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 3: Weird, that's weird too. It's there is no non weird explanation.

1033
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Right, which is why I like this story. Yeah, it's

1034
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: like the what was it? Then? Like, how do you

1035
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: explain that in the weird man your belief system? Where

1036
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: does that fit? Yeah?

1037
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of the question. I think

1038
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: it wasn't Like after that, I was like, well, my god,

1039
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: from now on, I'm I'm a ghost guy. But it's

1040
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: not that big miss. But I buy it though, Like

1041
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: if someone yeah, like I said, I really believe, like

1042
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 3: I saw a ghost one time, and I'd be like, well, yeah,

1043
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: sure I might have two. I get it.

1044
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, you kind of like I'm open to

1045
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: like I haven't been able to explain that yet.

1046
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, and we just did a uh this kind

1047
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: of ties in with that with the alien abduction thing.

1048
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 3: We did an episode recently on alien abductions.

1049
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: Oh nice. Did you cover any particular stories, Uh, I.

1050
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: Mean a couple of the more famous ones, the couple

1051
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: who was one of the big Barny Hill Yeah, yeah,

1052
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: the Hill, pretty crazy one. Yeah. And you know what

1053
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 3: we found you probably know this stuff through the research,

1054
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 3: is that like almost everyone that claims a story like

1055
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: that is like a very sort of normal, reasonable educated

1056
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: Like they're not the kind of people would just make

1057
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: something up like they're all they all aren't people that

1058
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 3: would make something up like that. Yeah, And it's like

1059
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: and there's something to that.

1060
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I went in depth in that particular story,

1061
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: and my conclusion was that regardless of whether or not

1062
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: it happened the way that they were saying it, it did. Yeah,

1063
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: it's also still an unexplained phenomenon that whatever happened to them, right, yeah, yeah,

1064
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: like you could say that it's some psychological thing or whatever.

1065
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: But okay, well what's that called?

1066
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that what is that again? Why did they

1067
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: both experience it at the same time, like a shared

1068
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: delusion or something?

1069
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Right? Why are there physical like I don't know, Like, yeah,

1070
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: I think there were some burns and yeah, what's up

1071
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: with that? Like something happened totally.

1072
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: The Hills were interesting in that they were a great

1073
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: example of someone who had every reason not to, Like

1074
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: they're an interracial couple who like did civil rights work

1075
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: and like all of that would just hurt their ability

1076
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: to do that kind of stuff and be taken seriously.

1077
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: It helps nothing. You would actually not do that, and

1078
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: they were trying. They were resistant in doing.

1079
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they didn't concerned that while yet right, so

1080
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: they're like, I mean that means something, you know.

1081
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, who knows, but it's I think some

1082
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: of these older stories are the best, Yeah, just because

1083
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: of the nostalgia of it, and it's like, you know, that.

1084
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: Was kind of the heyday. I don't feel like that

1085
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: stuff happens anymore.

1086
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: And like you're right, which like you how do we

1087
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: reason with that? And like maybe that's when they were

1088
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: coming here, right, you know. I also think that if

1089
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: we're going to go down that road of okay, there's

1090
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: if they're coming from a place that we can't see

1091
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: and we don't even know definitively if they're real or not. Literally,

1092
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: they are more superior in intelligence than we are. Yeah, yeah,

1093
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: and they would likely know in our own evolution in

1094
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: technology on our earth, right that now is the time

1095
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: when we all got phones, right, they would not know that, Yeah,

1096
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: like not that that that's their fear or something, but

1097
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, maybe uhh you know, or there.

1098
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 3: Are things that we can do that they can't, right,

1099
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: And that's what some of the medical exams and stuff like.

1100
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: It seems like a lot of them have to do

1101
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: with pregnancy.

1102
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: Like uh yeah, the hill woman was definitely like you know,

1103
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: she felt like she was being checked to see if

1104
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: she was pregnant, and I feel like that's always a.

1105
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: Thing, So there may be something to that, Like they

1106
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: can't reproduce like we.

1107
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: Do or write, I don't know, And I think they

1108
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: also like bubbles, like yeah, I mean, you know, like

1109
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: it's it's I don't know, like we also on Earth

1110
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: we do too, So it's it's not like yeah, yeah,

1111
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: not everybody, but like you know, only so many ways

1112
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: in there.

1113
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't even have one, like you know, I

1114
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: don't know, like but.

1115
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: You never hear about like they went in through my

1116
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: nose and no, it's like whole Yeah, it's like maybe

1117
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: they don't get out. I don't know. Maybe this that's

1118
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: their cake. I don't know. Yeah, sure, but like I

1119
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: like the older stuff because there's examples like uh, like

1120
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: a Kodak picture like today now so more than ever

1121
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: is it real? Right, And we're we're gonna get to

1122
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: the point where like a UFO video doesn't really matter

1123
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: anything anymore.

1124
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: AI in deep Ach, it's like that that that shit

1125
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: is scary. Man, that sucks, And I hate that.

1126
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: That's a realm that we're entering just for you know,

1127
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: understand like having to distinguish what's real and not. But

1128
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: like if you go back far enough, there's like Kodak press, Yeah,

1129
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: like real film that right, aren't c GI that they

1130
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: can verify that is an anomaly in this photo? And

1131
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: those to me are like wait now these years later,

1132
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: which is kind of bizarre.

1133
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we saw an orb in a picture of

1134
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 3: ours once when we my wife's grandfather had died and

1135
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: we had just moved into a new house and built

1136
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: finally built a I built it myself, our our privacy

1137
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 3: fits so we could let our dogs out.

1138
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: In the yard.

1139
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: And the very first day we let them out in

1140
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: the yard, we got pictures of them running around. And

1141
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 3: her granddad really loved dogs and our dogs, and there

1142
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: were like there was a distinct orb right there with

1143
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 3: the dogs playing.

1144
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: And she was like, that's Charlie And I was like,

1145
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: all right, You're like sure, You're like it definitely is, yeah,

1146
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: would it be right right?

1147
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, but I love those all the old

1148
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: school pictures of uh oh. I remember there was one

1149
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: where it was a guy standing in a graveyard, like

1150
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: an old West guy. Remember that one I do where

1151
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: it wasn't like a hazy apparition. It was like, it's

1152
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: like that's a dude. Yeah, like what I saw that's terrified.

1153
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 3: Yeah I could. I mean that's probably just some faked thing,

1154
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, but it was creepy as hell. Yeah,

1155
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 3: that was one of the good ones.

1156
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: Are you like, have you done stand up yet? Now?

1157
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: Are you ever going to do it. I don't think so, man,

1158
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: I just do like a little like twenty like you said,

1159
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: twenty people private event. If it was stuff you should

1160
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: know listeners, I might do it like I'm asking because

1161
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: I want to do it, and I've been like just

1162
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: for myself, yes, for like you know, and I challenge

1163
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: preparing to bomb, but like i'd like the exercise and

1164
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: it'd be Yeah, it'd be fun and it'd be like now,

1165
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the same way, man.

1166
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 3: That's why I would do it to really, like, yeah,

1167
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: flex a muscle that I've never flexed. Yeah, to get.

1168
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: Over a fear, to conquer something that I love. I

1169
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: got an idea then because I've been thinking about it,

1170
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: like it'd probably be either later this year or I

1171
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: don't know, whenever I feel like, okay, it's time to

1172
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: do like a non comedian the podcast thing and do

1173
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: the well, like I'll do like a private thing where

1174
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: it's like you know, people that we know and like, okay,

1175
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: like come do like a two minute thing, right, I

1176
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: don't know, or like you know, that'd be like the

1177
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: non comedian yeah, not funny people trying to be funny.

1178
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 3: Right, we can get Ira Glass in there. That'll be great.

1179
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: You got all the og plugs, right.

1180
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: I used to do good.

1181
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: Ira tried to butt it out just now, but I don't.

1182
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: It wasn't coming. Well, you're gonna do an irag Glass joke.

1183
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: No, it's gonna do an Ira Glass impression doing of

1184
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: Ira Glass doing comedy. Oh god, but I I got

1185
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: scared of the last second. I haven't done Ira in

1186
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: a long time.

1187
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: You got it.

1188
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: He left a message on my cell phone one time.

1189
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: He got my number, you know, like I'd met the

1190
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: guy like once or twice. But it was when that

1191
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: whole podcast. Remember the guy that tried to get money

1192
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: saying he had been in podcasting years ago. This is

1193
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: probably before you even like because he the name and

1194
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: stuff or something, not even the name, just the whole concept.

1195
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: I think he was mailing out tape.

1196
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: That is not a podcast.

1197
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: Well he said it wasn't the first generation. It was

1198
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: a podcast in a way, but he was distributing them

1199
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: on cassette, which is hysterical. But anyway, the patent troll

1200
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: that's what they call them. Okay, he said he had

1201
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: a patent on podcasting. He was trying to basically fucking

1202
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: extort a bunch of podcasts for money and so a

1203
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: bunch of people. It was a big deal at the time.

1204
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: We're talking and and luckily we had a company I

1205
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: think it was when we were with Discovery Channel, but

1206
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: they sort of, you know, have a legal team that

1207
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: handled all that. But I had all of a sudden,

1208
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: some people that I've never spoken to calling me, like

1209
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: Mark Maron called me and I was like, how are

1210
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: these people getting my number?

1211
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: Versa?

1212
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: And I read that's a message for me one time.

1213
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: He said, did Chuck, this is Iriglass. I wanted to

1214
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: see if you could talk about this patent trouble for

1215
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: a little bit, to give me a call. Here's my number,

1216
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: and just just give me a call. We'll talk about it.

1217
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: You're pretty good, like I said, I've worked it up.

1218
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: I saved that message for so so long and I

1219
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: don't have it anymore, but I would play it.

1220
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: We don't need it. And I would be like, Iraglass,

1221
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: let me a message like like seven years older.

1222
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: The true pod told me once. Yeah, yeah, totally, I

1223
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: know him. Yeah, it was. It was pretty funny.

1224
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Ira. Do you do impressions?

1225
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: I do fun impressions like that for fun. I've done

1226
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: a lot of money stuff. You should know did them

1227
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: all my life growing up. My deal with impressions is

1228
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: they're not great, but I get into it enough to

1229
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 3: where like people enjoy them.

1230
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

1231
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 3: So it's not like Kevin Pollock are like, oh my god,

1232
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: you sound it's like I can't. Yeah, what's his name

1233
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: from SNL that just nails Trump so hard?

1234
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or that guy who's like on the Red Carpet

1235
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: now who does amazing Yeah, you know.

1236
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: Like all the rossmore can Like there's so many like

1237
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: ones that do these perfect perfect.

1238
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: They're like mime impressions. Yeah, they're like legitimately. Now mine

1239
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: are like that.

1240
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: Mine are just a little more like at a party

1241
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 3: and we're hanging out, we're laughing and it's fun and

1242
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 3: like I bust out Sammy Davis Junior, Iraglass or somebody. Okay,

1243
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: So so it's the spirit of the person.

1244
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: If you're at a party, uh huh uh and you're

1245
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: with Iraglass and you've had like several drinks, yeah, and

1246
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: he's like you know that Payne Lindsay guy, right, Oh

1247
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: do your that's an impression of that guy.

1248
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 3: Oh I couldn't do you, Yeah you could. I don't

1249
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: think so I mean, there has to be like a

1250
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: real distinctive, like you know, every lass talks like this,

1251
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: and you know, Shammy Davis jun your bad talking like that,

1252
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: Like it's got to be sort of a out there

1253
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: voice for me to try and tackle it.

1254
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: Okay, your voice is too regular.

1255
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: And that's a compliment. You know, that's a minus too.

1256
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 3: That's why we're podcasters.

1257
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: Like, okay, I'll do you then, can you all right?

1258
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's gonna be like me. You got

1259
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: to take your front tooth out for Yeah, you ain't

1260
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: got anything for this? Yeah, what if I just pulled

1261
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: that out, dude, that would be the best. We'd have

1262
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: the ultimate podcast or selfie. We'd have the ultimate podcast ourself.

1263
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: Pain and Chuck no front teeth, pain and Chuck no

1264
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 3: front teeth.

1265
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm nice. All right, Hey, that's not bad.

1266
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I have a very non distinct voice. I

1267
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: think were you one of those people that didn't like

1268
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: your voice when you started listening to it?

1269
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: Like it's it's such a trope at this point, it's like,

1270
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't look at my voice. Yeah, yeah, I genuinely

1271
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: did not like my voice.

1272
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 3: And I think there's a scientific phenomenon behind it, because

1273
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 3: you sound I can't remember what it is else. Yeah.

1274
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, you get used to hearing yourself

1275
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: after making podcasts for so long, but like I remember

1276
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: feeling so like on the fence about it. On top

1277
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: of being like I'm not a radio guy. I got

1278
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: my friend Rob to read these bits and up and

1279
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: vanished and the original like outside of me, like, you know,

1280
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: appreciating his talent and adding another creative piece to the

1281
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: show and like wanting to share that. I was like

1282
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: also like internally like offsetting how much I have to

1283
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: say something right, Like I'm not going to do the

1284
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: best job of unpacking this. Yeah.

1285
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I've gotten used to hearing

1286
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: my voice. I wasn't one of those I was like,

1287
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: oh god, I hate my voice.

1288
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just like, no, well is that what

1289
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: I sound like? Okay, yeah, it's like all my thousandth

1290
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: ad I was like, why I gotta get over this now? Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's like I'm gonna sound dumb and that's just is

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Speaker 1: what it is. And now I just like don't care anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's like all right, Well, once people listen and you

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Speaker 3: have support and like listeners, You're like, all right, I

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Speaker 3: guess if they don't care, then I if it's fine

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Speaker 3: with them, then it's fine with me. And then when

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Speaker 3: you hear a bad voice, you're like, wow, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: could be worse there. I guess there's you got a

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Speaker 3: face for a radio. You could also have a voice

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Speaker 3: for TV.

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Speaker 1: If you when you do your documentary, are you gonna

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Speaker 1: Errol Morris it? And like kind of be oh in there,

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Speaker 1: like maybe behind the scenes breaking the wall.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question because he inmitted the uh people,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. He inmitted the machine, the Entratron, which

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Speaker 3: was brilliant.

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Speaker 1: What's the Enteriratron?

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Speaker 3: The Enterratron was his invention, which is you know, if

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Speaker 3: you'll notice every Errol Morris documentary, I think after Vernon, Florida,

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Speaker 3: that was a little more traditional. He's like off camera

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Speaker 3: talking is the people are looking into camera right into

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Speaker 3: to the lens and talking to Errol Morris, thus the viewer.

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Speaker 3: And so he invented this machine basically where it's a uh,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting this right, Matt. I think it's a screen

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Speaker 3: in front of the lens that projects his face. But

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Speaker 3: but yeah, like what's it called when you're reading, so

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Speaker 3: you said teleprompter. Yeah, yeah, like that basically, so they're

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Speaker 3: they're looking at his face. That's so cool, but the

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Speaker 3: lenses behind his.

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Speaker 1: Face, because hellos, do you genuinely authentically get the yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly and I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can because you know, And that's

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Speaker 3: one reason honestly that I wasn't wild about cameras for

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Speaker 3: this is like I think people just you know, people

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Speaker 3: act differently when there's a camera on them. People change

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Speaker 3: how they act, even if they don't think they do well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that that's interesting that you say that.

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way on I think that the

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Speaker 1: reason why I chose to to film this in the

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Speaker 1: first place, huh. I feel like because of where we're

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Speaker 1: at in podcasting and there's so much content out there. Yeah,

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01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: everything's a zoom call. Everything is just like not real.

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Speaker 1: Every interview I've had ever done in person has always

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Speaker 1: been something that I walked away from that I felt

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Speaker 1: like was a real experience. Yeah, it's like you doing

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Speaker 1: your show in front of somebody with the with the

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Speaker 1: squad there. It's different than doing it remotely totally, even

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Speaker 1: if you're great at doing it. Remotely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're right. It's a special thing now, and

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Speaker 3: like you're like you're different, and like.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm glad to come in here in person. So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming here because I know, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're a busy guy, and like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm really not that busy, don't tell anybody.

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01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 3: Being in person makes a big difference. And when I

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Speaker 3: did movie Crush at first, yeah, every single person was

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Speaker 3: in person. At pont City Market. I would get actors

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01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 3: that come through town. I would try and hustle so great,

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Speaker 3: like you know, celebrities or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yea, come in there. You got some good ass guests.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I managed you for a little while. That

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Speaker 3: was one of the reasons I quit because that was

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Speaker 3: so hard.

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Speaker 1: But then once I wrapped my head around video after

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Speaker 1: COVID H and everyone was kind of doing it then

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Speaker 1: you know, the Zoom interviews, I was like, all right,

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Speaker 1: well this is fine, but it's still not the same

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Speaker 1: as being in a room with someone.

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Speaker 3: Energy is different. It's you know, I was happy to

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Speaker 3: come in here, like I prefer this, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like I have to put pants on today.

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, yeah, I did two hour we both did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know I had to. You know, I had to

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Speaker 1: shower for you too. Yeah. I've been trying to do

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Speaker 1: that more.

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Speaker 3: Shower now, just like get up, shower and dress as

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Speaker 3: if you were to go to an office. Oh okay,

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: just just to go upstairs. Yeah, I've heard that that's

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Speaker 3: a good trick and you're working from home.

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Speaker 1: Done that on my own, like subconsciously over the years,

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Speaker 1: like almost kind of like feeling like ready, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: like if someone's like, oh, like I could go there

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: right now, sure, sure I'm choosing not yeah, like I'm

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Speaker 1: out in my underwear. Yeah, it's like I could go,

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Speaker 1: but I yeah, you know, I'm also could just go unwind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a semi recent thing though. But my daughter is

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Speaker 1: funny because he's like, Dad, why are you dressing? U?

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01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: Why you dress?

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Speaker 3: That is fun Like I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing like a shirt and pants. So he decided

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Speaker 1: to wear pants that that looks different than like flip

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Speaker 1: flops and my basketball shorts or whatever. Right, yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: your cargo pants. Yeah, exactly, never wear out totally. Well,

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Speaker 1: this has been a blast, man. I was literally telling,

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Speaker 1: you know, the team, how much of an og you

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Speaker 1: are and you sincerely are one of the pioneers of

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Speaker 1: this space. I want to give you your flowers right here,

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01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: hey man, And I appreciate it because still alive, hey like,

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: because of what you've done and what you did in

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Speaker 1: a time that was way weirder and unknown. You know,

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Speaker 1: I have a career in a path in this space too.

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Speaker 1: That's the weirdest thing for me is to hear stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like that, and that's super cool. And I want to

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Speaker 3: thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Well, You're You're great and I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you having me and like, congratulations on your success.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I think it's been so cool to see and I

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Speaker 3: appreciate you having me. It's been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Bro.

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