Speaker 1: No way.
Speaker 2: Yoh, what's up, dude?
Speaker 1: Way is up?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: I didn't think you called me. This is the first
Speaker 1: time I ever texted.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see here, I'm gonna I'm not gonna ask
Speaker 2: you your name because I'm just gonna forget which is not?
Speaker 2: Which is? You know this should be anonymous anyway, But anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you Jason. Jason. It says here that
Speaker 2: you used to have a chronic addiction to camera women.
Speaker 2: Does that? Does that mean? Okay? That means like cam
Speaker 2: girls like girls.
Speaker 1: Who yes, you know more more specifically, to the audience
Speaker 1: that probably isn't familiar with the term, it's uh uh
Speaker 1: not like well, pretty much OnlyFans but more or less
Speaker 1: live and you can pretty much pay them to do
Speaker 1: whatever they want. Or well, you think whatever you want
Speaker 1: and then you.
Speaker 2: Think this, you think this twitch. I'm sorry you think
Speaker 2: this twitch. Audience is not familiar with the term cam girl.
Speaker 2: I'm basically a cairl a camera that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cam get go.
Speaker 2: Okay, so how long have you been addicted to the
Speaker 2: cam girls?
Speaker 1: For shit? That started back in twenty twenty as soon
Speaker 1: as I start because I graduated back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: So it was like it was like, right as I
Speaker 1: started getting my own money, I was all like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me see, let me see where this can go.
Speaker 1: And that uh I turned into a pretty big thing
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Same thing with the pandemic and everything that
Speaker 1: was that was pretty bad.
Speaker 2: How much money were you spending?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I probably couldn't even put a number on it.
Speaker 1: There was there was one girl whose attention I was
Speaker 1: trying to get, and before I managed to get her
Speaker 1: off of the side, I think I spent like upwards
Speaker 1: of nine hundred dollars on her. So I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's again on on one girl specifically.
Speaker 2: Are you is this still something that you're struggling with
Speaker 2: or have you kind of got it?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's kind of gotten under control. There's
Speaker 1: you know, there's still rebounds here and there, but you know,
Speaker 1: not not nearly as severe. And I've feel very you know,
Speaker 1: bitter about myself when I do it, and it's just
Speaker 1: like you but you know, I mean, I mean the
Speaker 1: same thing. It's you know, something that I'm actively working on.
Speaker 1: And shit, so I'm talking to another girl in real
Speaker 1: life rather than you know, online and ship so you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's definitely helping a lot with my mental state.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about this. So what when you were
Speaker 2: doing that a lot, what do you like, what were
Speaker 2: you looking for? What were you chasing? Like deep down?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: I think I was just chasing for like attention or
Speaker 1: just like having someone there that like, in my eyes,
Speaker 1: cared about me and you know, spending the upwards of money,
Speaker 1: like they'll recognize you pretty quick obviously. But I think
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely what I was looking for, was
Speaker 1: just like seeking attention because in high school, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people would end up ghosting me because
Speaker 1: I was, you know, now realizing as an adult, I
Speaker 1: was hell of cleaning and shit, but back then I
Speaker 1: couldn't really realize it or pinpoint it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But I'd say, I'd say, like a mixture between like
Speaker 1: loneliness and like getting me attention and and then, like
Speaker 1: I said, I was back in twenty twenty, so like
Speaker 1: you know, the pandemic and like getting loneliness during that time,
Speaker 1: I mean everyone was fucking lonely, so that really that
Speaker 1: really egged it on hard.
Speaker 2: So did this did like, uh, did this alleviate that
Speaker 2: loneliness for you and if so, or did it did
Speaker 2: it end up making it worse? Like tell me how
Speaker 2: it how it affected you know, whether or not there
Speaker 2: served your needs.
Speaker 1: So there were probably like three women that I managed
Speaker 1: to talk off of the site onto like Messenger, Instagram,
Speaker 1: just just different outlets to talk them outside of the site.
Speaker 1: And you think on paper, that helped, but no, it's
Speaker 1: like you know, then at that point it's like not
Speaker 1: only do you have their personal information, but they have
Speaker 1: your personal information and they extort you for like more money,
Speaker 1: and then they guilt trip you, and then it just
Speaker 1: turns into like this big thing. So I'd say, like shit,
Speaker 1: I'd say, I'd say it definitely made it worse, but
Speaker 1: it just like made it to where it's like now
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta talk with that person and make
Speaker 1: that person like more attractive than me.
Speaker 2: You know, minute, I guess, so they wait, haunt So
Speaker 2: they extorted you for money, Like what what were they do?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there was there was one girl that, uh,
Speaker 1: the one that I spent nine hundred dollars on. Once
Speaker 1: I got her out of the site, then you know,
Speaker 1: we exchange pictures and all that and then you know
Speaker 1: one thing, let do another, and and I would I
Speaker 1: would end up sending her more money. She'd be like
Speaker 1: she'd be like, oh, there's this thing I want to buy,
Speaker 1: but like I don't mean.
Speaker 2: Real quick, so down for me. Okay, Okay, there's a difference, dude,
Speaker 2: does it instreme like what you're talking about and being
Speaker 2: extorted for money? Like did she say like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take these pictures that you took and like send them
Speaker 2: to your friends and ship? Like what what is that?
Speaker 2: What she do?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But but but in my head I felt like they
Speaker 1: would do that like it it was never said directly
Speaker 1: do me, but like in my head, I was just
Speaker 1: all like, ah, ship that could that could come back
Speaker 1: and bite me on nass pretty hard if I if
Speaker 1: I don't do that, because it's because I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like it's not like i'd use to throw away
Speaker 1: Instagram like I use. I'd use my direct Instagram. So
Speaker 1: it's you know, I mean, I mean there's just like
Speaker 1: a I don't know if you could call it professional,
Speaker 1: like as professional as you could make a camera girl Instagram,
Speaker 1: but but mine would be straight up personal. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if all of a sudden they decided, oh man,
Speaker 1: fuck this guy, I'm gonna expose them to all his
Speaker 1: friends and family. Sh It's like it's it's right there,
Speaker 1: you know. So so I mean technically no, you know,
Speaker 1: I was never directly blackmailed or extorted, but but it
Speaker 1: was always something in the back of my mind. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, if I don't do that, then you know,
Speaker 1: they could buy me back in that.
Speaker 2: So was the fantasy that you kept chasing something of
Speaker 2: like Okay, this I'm going to actually get this person.
Speaker 1: To like me yes, yes, yeah, no, there is there
Speaker 1: uh you know that the same person. Like there was
Speaker 1: points where like we talk about like meeting up and
Speaker 1: shit like that, and then it turned into like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know if we meet up in America d D
Speaker 1: and the instantly it because oh I can't meet up
Speaker 1: in America, you got to come meet me here, and
Speaker 1: then it's like that's when it turned into another thing.
Speaker 1: I like, dude, if I if I come out there,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, you know, like like it's a
Speaker 1: South American country, so.
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to where where where did this cam
Speaker 2: girl want you to meet her?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Columbia?
Speaker 2: Were you about to go to Columbia to meet her.
Speaker 1: Hell no, they wanted me to though, But it was
Speaker 1: just one of those things that like that, like again,
Speaker 1: I would just be scared of because it's just like
Speaker 1: it's like, man, I'll get down there, and obviously I'm
Speaker 1: not going to bring no friends with me because I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to tell my friends, Hey, I met this
Speaker 1: girl online. She's cam girl. You know, let's go down there.
Speaker 1: Come with me so I feel safe, you know, and
Speaker 1: so and so. Then it just be one of those
Speaker 1: things like man, if I could if I go out
Speaker 1: there and same thing, if they turn on dime, I
Speaker 1: could get I could get fucking jumped and I'm not
Speaker 1: going back to.
Speaker 2: Isn't that what the movie sex Drive is about.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I never I ain't seen that one.
Speaker 1: But but you know, it was just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was just one of them things that you know,
Speaker 1: I should I should have probably blocked it off a
Speaker 1: long time ago. But you know, I mean, I mean, because.
Speaker 2: So talk to me about this, then what was it
Speaker 2: that transitioned you away from this stuff?
Speaker 1: So about a year and a half ago, I changed
Speaker 1: my job out of retail in the in the work
Speaker 1: on cars, and it just it just gave me a
Speaker 1: lot of time to like think and reflect on myself
Speaker 1: with like how much I'm capable of doing with my
Speaker 1: own hands and shit. And then that's also kind of
Speaker 1: the point that I realized like how much money I
Speaker 1: was really sending without realizing it. And then that was
Speaker 1: the point that like it just kind of like something
Speaker 1: just kind of colicked in me, and I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like this no more. So then
Speaker 1: who had send mass amounts of money. I was just
Speaker 1: all like, hey, this this ain't me. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm with this no more. And she
Speaker 1: just like completely exploded. I guess she has some big
Speaker 1: panic attack, fucking ended up having heart palpitations or some
Speaker 1: shit and lander yourself in the hospital, and then she
Speaker 1: blamed that on me. Maybe she had pictures and everything,
Speaker 1: so it's not even like one of those things she
Speaker 1: made up. She fucking had genuine pictures like her heart
Speaker 1: rate and shit like that being taken at the hospital.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry. You see this girl, the girl who
Speaker 2: you sent nine hundred dollars to that wanted you to
Speaker 2: meet her in Columbia. Once you told her that you
Speaker 2: didn't want to have a relationship with her anymore or
Speaker 2: spend money on her anymore, set you pictures of her
Speaker 2: in the hospital, claiming that she was so offended by
Speaker 2: this that she had a panic attack that sent her
Speaker 2: to the hospital.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. It wasn't the pictures of her in
Speaker 1: the hospital, but like her records afterwards, But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's crazy, man. Yeah no, And that was one of
Speaker 1: those things I was like, oh, yeah, no. I probably
Speaker 1: also mentioned she has she has my name tattooed on
Speaker 1: her arm. She did that like like two weeks into
Speaker 1: us fucking getting off the site.
Speaker 2: Dude, she did you pay her to tattoo her your
Speaker 2: name on that arm?
Speaker 1: I even told her it was a bad idea too. No,
Speaker 1: I even told her it was a bad idea too.
Speaker 2: Why did she tattoo your name on her arm?
Speaker 1: I don't know. She was like, like, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where it's like she
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was obsessed in my own way,
Speaker 1: but I think she he was obsessed with me in
Speaker 1: her own way, And it was just it was it
Speaker 1: was just bad and the same thing at one point,
Speaker 1: she tried to have it in my handwriting, and then,
Speaker 1: like her tattoo artists, was all like, not, his handwriting
Speaker 1: ain't good enough, and then I was And then in
Speaker 1: the back of my head, I'm like, oh cool, she
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get it. And then a week later she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: look at this tattoo I got, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck?
Speaker 2: How often were you talking to this one?
Speaker 1: Oh? This was like an everyday saying. We essentially became
Speaker 1: a boyfriend girlfriend. I mean I think, oh, no, we did.
Speaker 1: We did? I guess we technically did have an online relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how often were you paying her?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it was like it was probably about
Speaker 1: like every two weeks, but it just it just depends,
Speaker 1: so it'd be like fifty dollars here, like you know,
Speaker 1: anywhere up to like two hundred dollars there. And then
Speaker 1: and then she gave me, like, you know, this big
Speaker 1: story of like, oh, you know, this is happening with
Speaker 1: my family, this is happening with my kids, this is
Speaker 1: happening at my house, and I'm just like, I'm like, dog,
Speaker 1: I don't like It's not that I don't have the
Speaker 1: time to deal with this, but like it's not it's
Speaker 1: not my thing to deal with, Like I'm not there,
Speaker 1: I'm not affected by it.
Speaker 2: So I mean, you this sounds like it was like
Speaker 2: almost a digital like sugar Daddy seeking arrangements kind of
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: Talking about it out loud, Yeah, kind of. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: a good that's good. That's probably a good way to
Speaker 1: describe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have a relation Did you have a
Speaker 2: relationship like this with anyone else? Or was it? Did
Speaker 2: it only to this point with just one girl?
Speaker 1: So so after her, then there was one of the
Speaker 1: other girls that I got off the website, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of tried some with her, but it was it
Speaker 1: was something that you know, I didn't really send her
Speaker 1: any money or anything. We just kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: talked more or less. But it was one of those
Speaker 1: things that she had so many personal problems that she's
Speaker 1: just like, I don't think this is a good thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, so so we never we never really
Speaker 1: became official or anything, but I said has feelings for
Speaker 1: her as well, like I wanted to make her my
Speaker 1: girlfriend at one point, but she was just all like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think I want to do an
Speaker 1: online relationship, which looking back on it, I'm I'm glad
Speaker 1: I didn't because.
Speaker 2: Did you meet them on Did you meet these women
Speaker 2: on like uh chatter Bait or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're like we're like, you know, you see
Speaker 1: them as the camera and then you know you're in
Speaker 1: the chat box or whatever.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. And this was all four years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about about three four years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when did you cut off your communication? I just
Speaker 2: kind of people, Yeah, when did you cut off your
Speaker 2: communication with these people? Uh?
Speaker 1: Shit, probably probably about the end of wintertime. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: just got like into a really bad oppression back in
Speaker 1: the wintertime, and I just like I fell into it
Speaker 1: harder and then it was just those things. One day,
Speaker 1: I just kind of woke up and I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is just how I'm gonna be for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. And I and I just didn't want
Speaker 1: that for myself anymore. So, like, you know, I actually
Speaker 1: started talking to one of the coworkers I was working
Speaker 1: with at the time, and like, now, you know, we're
Speaker 1: we're hitting it off pretty good and everything. And then
Speaker 1: like ever since, every ever since I took her out,
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just kind of been like a
Speaker 1: whole one eighty. Like I'm more, I'm a lot more motivated,
Speaker 1: Like I'm on Like like I said, in the winter time,
Speaker 1: I was like bad and fucking credit card debt and
Speaker 1: shit like that, but like now I'm getting on top
Speaker 1: of it and shit like that.
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Speaker 1: No? No, I have not, but I've been I've been
Speaker 1: listening to your show a lot lately, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he'd be be an interesting guy to
Speaker 1: talk to you about this, So not that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying you'd necessarily how long for anything.
Speaker 2: But how long ago did you did you start seeing
Speaker 2: this girl that you're you're seeing now?
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 1: I have a year on our calendar. The first date
Speaker 1: that I took her out on was April twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: so it's been it's been just about a month.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, And you met her at work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I met her at my last job, but then
Speaker 1: I switched jobs, so like I was working when I
Speaker 1: met her, I was we were working in retail, and
Speaker 1: there was one night that you know, it was one
Speaker 1: of my last nights working there, and it was the
Speaker 1: last night I was scheduled with her. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: fuck it. So I went up to her and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, hey, I've liked you for a really long time,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I don't really know how to express it,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of want to let you know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we may never see each other again, and
Speaker 1: if if that be the case, like that's fine, or
Speaker 1: like you know, maybe we might see each other again
Speaker 1: and if so, that's cool, but like I just I
Speaker 1: just won't let you know how I feel, and like
Speaker 1: I felt that way since like November, so you know,
Speaker 1: And and that kind of opened up her eyes and everything,
Speaker 1: because she said she wasn't really like into the thought
Speaker 1: of our relationships or anything. But then when I said that,
Speaker 1: like that kind of made her rethink that situation.
Speaker 2: Okay, be careful man, because I mean, look, I don't
Speaker 2: know this, I don't know this person. But if it's
Speaker 2: only been twenty days, you know, don't uh, don't put
Speaker 2: all your your healing in at in one basket, you know,
Speaker 2: because I guess it would be you know, I'm happy
Speaker 2: for you. I think it's a really I'm for real.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great step to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get out of this crazy, crazy hole that
Speaker 2: I'm in and start talking to real women. But you
Speaker 2: don't want to get so invested so early on that,
Speaker 2: you know, if something bad were to go wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: in this relationship, you you rebound completely and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let me send a thousand dollars to uh, you know,
Speaker 2: a woman in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think, I think, like the biggest motivation
Speaker 1: is like a couple of years ago, I was actually
Speaker 1: out of my family. You need, when I was doing
Speaker 1: the camgirl thing, cousin's mom comes up to me and
Speaker 1: she's all like Hey, I noticed that you never bring
Speaker 1: a girl up here. And I'm like, right, and this
Speaker 1: this was like primetime in me doing you know, my
Speaker 1: cam shit, And they're like, hey, you know, do you
Speaker 1: just not like girls? Are you gay or something like
Speaker 1: is that why you don't bring anyone up? And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I'm like, no, I'm fucking awkward with women.
Speaker 1: And then I like tried to explain that to them
Speaker 1: without like mentioning the camera women and realized how impossible
Speaker 1: it was to explain. And I'm just like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no one's interested in me right now, and
Speaker 1: and and ever since then, that's just been like a
Speaker 1: big motivation to just like not be a fucking, you know,
Speaker 1: sucubist and just to do something more with myself. But
Speaker 1: that was like, that was like two years ago, and
Speaker 1: I've just been thinking on that since.
Speaker 2: So you said that you're like mostly over it, Like
Speaker 2: do you still have these yeah, you still have I
Speaker 2: guess urges or like what where's the in what ways
Speaker 2: is this still present in your in your life?
Speaker 1: I would say like I'm not very good with saving
Speaker 1: I could say that fucking flat out. So a lot
Speaker 1: of my money tends to go towards like bills and shit,
Speaker 1: and so the more bills I can pay, the better
Speaker 1: it is, because it's like cool, I don't have that money.
Speaker 1: So if I can put like an extra two three
Speaker 1: hundred bucks on my car, I'll do that for sure,
Speaker 1: because it's like cool. Then it's just not money being spent.
Speaker 1: But then, you know, if I'm feeling lonely one night
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I look at my
Speaker 1: bank account and I see like, oh shit, I got
Speaker 1: an extra fifteen dollars, then you know, they get thinking
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me You know, fifteen dollars is fifteen dollars, but
Speaker 1: you know, and then you can see where that gets
Speaker 1: to a very repetitive so very quickly you.
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Speaker 2: not spending it on you know, digital companionship.
Speaker 1: Right pretty much. That's that's that's the coping mechanism that
Speaker 1: I've come up with since moving.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you gave me the name
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You don't want somebody to alright, open an account. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah, and then I got to put
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Speaker 1: I appreciate this more than words can fucking manifest right now.
Speaker 2: So basically, here's how this works. All right. You're gonna
Speaker 2: fucking you take money that you've already This is so funny.
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Speaker 2: having to pay fees on your earnings unless if you're
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Speaker 1: I love that, all right? Getting great?
Speaker 2: Now, what's your social Security number? No, don't tell us that.
Speaker 2: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa a Right all right, So,
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, before we go, just just all right,
Speaker 2: we got you. All right, you gotta sort of have
Speaker 2: a girlfriend. Maybe, yeah, you have wraw Ira, I would say, so,
Speaker 2: I would say so, yeah, I mean you know, I mean, like, man,
Speaker 2: it's all have been a few weeks. Don't count your
Speaker 2: eggs before.
Speaker 3: They had Yeah nah, But you know, all.
Speaker 2: Right, what else? What else with you? Jason?
Speaker 1: I went to I went to the races that they
Speaker 1: have out here near near my house the other day,
Speaker 1: and that actually it actually motivated me. Uh yeah, cause
Speaker 1: it was it was a it was a big old
Speaker 1: drift competition. So people got like, you know, Nissans, fucking corvettes,
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of fucking cars and there and
Speaker 1: there was this old beat up ass car and it
Speaker 1: was like it was a Toyota from like the eighties,
Speaker 1: and and he ended up winning second in his fucking group.
Speaker 1: And it was one of those things that like it
Speaker 1: motivated me, dude, And and now I want to I
Speaker 1: want to be a part of the races. And now
Speaker 1: I want to fucking I want to do some shit
Speaker 1: related to that. I want to like work on people's
Speaker 1: cars related to the races or some ship.
Speaker 2: That's cool, man, you got a goal, you got stuff
Speaker 2: going on. That's that's what it is. That's another thing
Speaker 2: is like you know, obviously like whatever your career goes
Speaker 2: are like they're not going to satisfy like these needs
Speaker 2: you have for like love and companionship. But it's good
Speaker 2: to have stuff going on in your life. Just uh,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how exactly you're gonna do this
Speaker 2: because it's really tough, but just do me a fait.
Speaker 2: Just like set yourself up so that, like we said earlier,
Speaker 2: if things don't work out with this girl at your work,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm sure they will, I'm happy to hear that.
Speaker 2: You're you're you're putting yourself out there. But just we
Speaker 2: want to make it so that if if that ship
Speaker 2: doesn't work out, you're not you know, diving back into
Speaker 2: into the bad the bad habits. So just just like
Speaker 2: prepare yourself for that mentally, I suppose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you know.
Speaker 2: Jason, you're you're you're a good guy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that you've overcome these
Speaker 2: bad habits. A lot of people, I don't know, they
Speaker 2: don't they don't get out of them because it's it's tough, bro, No, it's.
Speaker 1: And and it's not it's not an easy thing either.
Speaker 1: It's you know, like I said, it's not something I
Speaker 1: really areted talking about until really recently, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean I mean even even my friend that I was
Speaker 1: talking to about the other day, so that says it's
Speaker 1: become such a bad thing that I think, like now
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to just like getting my wallet drained, like
Speaker 1: not even like I don't know it just you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean once you once you get into
Speaker 1: a habit, you get into a habit, and.
Speaker 2: Now and now you get to go back to your
Speaker 2: friend and go, hey, remember last time I told you
Speaker 2: I was addicted to for a real.
Speaker 1: All, Like I'll be like dude, check this fucking podcast out.
Speaker 1: I was on the.
Speaker 2: Do you now you get to Now you get to
Speaker 2: tell him that a lizard told you to open a
Speaker 2: roth Ira bro.
Speaker 1: For not a lizard, the fucking lizard. Who are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Jason? Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: I want to say to the people of the computer,
Speaker 1: It's not as bad as you've seem. It's really just
Speaker 1: like in your own head. And as long as you
Speaker 1: work on overcoming that, you can overcome that.
Speaker 2: Jason, good luck to you, sir.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 1: I will make sure to call you tune. I will.
Speaker 1: I want to update you and and I want to
Speaker 1: soon reveal who I am to the people of the internet.
Speaker 1: But for now I'm Jason.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and hey, hey listen, man, you know what,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna start doing. I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: hanging out in the chat rooms of of chatter Bait,
Speaker 2: you know, just just to make sure that you're not there.
Speaker 2: And if I see you there, I'm gonna get pissed.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna be better.
Speaker 1: You better, you better reach through the goddamn.
Speaker 2: Phone if you see uh, you know, Lyle forever. If
Speaker 2: you see that username.
Speaker 1: Chat room, I need to I need to get the
Speaker 1: hell out of there.
Speaker 2: All right, man, talk to you later, good luck.
Speaker 1: All right, love you, take care Jason, all I love you.
Speaker 2: When are we going to get that roth? When are
Speaker 2: we going to get that Vanguard sponsorship coming in?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 2: How many people did you use the if? You're if
Speaker 2: you if you heard that call and you're gonna set
Speaker 2: up a roth? Iray, just use the code gecko anyway
Speaker 2: even there's no prompt for the code. But just like
Speaker 2: at the point where when it tells you how you
Speaker 2: found out about Vanguard, you say, don't even write the
Speaker 2: therapegetical podcast, just write a lizard all from.
Speaker 3: CALLI Hello, holy shit, geck Hi, what is your name?
Speaker 1: I am CALLI CALLI.
Speaker 2: What's up? How's life? Uh?
Speaker 3: Pretty shit? To be honest, And I sound like a
Speaker 3: young man on the phone, but I indeed female.
Speaker 2: How old are you? Cali?
Speaker 3: I am twenty four?
Speaker 2: Well? What's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Would you want to talk about today?
Speaker 3: I have like a ton of things I could talk about,
Speaker 3: but right now, Uh, I owe twelve thousand dollars in rent?
Speaker 2: How do you owe twelve thousand dollars in rent.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's kind of fucked up, but uh, I'm not
Speaker 3: the one who pays it, and kind of got into
Speaker 3: a spot where it was required to pay the full
Speaker 3: amount and couldn't pay it at the time, so I
Speaker 3: just kind of kept piling up.
Speaker 2: So who pays your rent?
Speaker 3: My partner?
Speaker 2: Okay, So all right, so your partner pays the rent
Speaker 2: and or he is supposed to be he's supposed to pay.
Speaker 3: The rent, yeah, basically.
Speaker 2: And did not, And so now you owe twelve thousand dollars. Yes,
Speaker 2: how long has your partner been not paying the rent?
Speaker 3: Like six months?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: Why have they been not paying the rent?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: He's financially irresponsible, not to mention, he's eighteen years older
Speaker 3: than me and we have two kids, and it's probably
Speaker 3: a narcissist.
Speaker 2: So are you too still together? Yeah? And you have
Speaker 2: two kids? Yeah, and you haven't paid the rent.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Did you talk to him and be like, hey, you
Speaker 2: were supposed to pay the rent?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, uh, he's just like, oh, you'll
Speaker 3: figure it out. You always do. It's over the pandemic.
Speaker 3: We didn't pay rent for a year either, and then
Speaker 3: I got an organization to pay it. So I'm sure
Speaker 3: he's thinking I'm gonna be able to do the same. Again.
Speaker 2: Do you work or are you full time? Mom? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay at home mom for the most part.
Speaker 2: Okay. And and does he work? Yeah? Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I feel like I blanked out and you guys are
Speaker 2: still together?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right? Where is he right now?
Speaker 3: He's at work? Right now?
Speaker 2: Okay, he's at work. And is he just he's just
Speaker 2: not going to pay the rent?
Speaker 3: I'm guessing not because he doesn't have twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: What organization is this that pays the rent?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's called Community Action?
Speaker 2: And you're going to reach out to them to pay
Speaker 2: the rent again.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping they will. Yeah. If not, I'm going to
Speaker 3: have to figure some shit out.
Speaker 2: Is this guy? Is this guy your husband's Are you married?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: See?
Speaker 3: So no. I met him when I was sixteen and
Speaker 3: he was thirty five, and I got pregnant and we
Speaker 3: kind of been together ever since. We had another kid
Speaker 3: about a year ago.
Speaker 2: Okaym uh, you know what, Before I go even further,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, is there anything in particular
Speaker 2: that you would like out of this phone call.
Speaker 3: I mean, not necessarily. I kind of just wanted to
Speaker 3: talk to you, I suppose, and maybe events and maybe
Speaker 3: people on the internet might take pity in my situation.
Speaker 2: Okay. And you're you're twenty four now, yeah, okay, do
Speaker 2: you have any like do you is being a stay
Speaker 2: at home mom? Is it something that you enjoy or
Speaker 2: do you desire to, like have a career of your
Speaker 2: own at some point?
Speaker 3: I would prefer to Yeah, I mean staying at home sucks.
Speaker 3: I've had jobs here and there, you know, fast food
Speaker 3: and stuff, but other than that, not really anything.
Speaker 2: Okay. And how like your partner, how often are they
Speaker 2: doing shit like this?
Speaker 3: A lot?
Speaker 2: Just like telling you that they're going to pay the
Speaker 2: rent and then not paying the rent.
Speaker 3: It's happened a lot. I've got he'll probably like five times.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I mean this is this is your There's
Speaker 2: a tough situation, Cali, it is.
Speaker 3: I'm very stressed about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is a tough situation. Do you have any
Speaker 2: help at all? You like people in your life that
Speaker 2: that that help you. No?
Speaker 3: Not really. I'm from San Diego and I moved to
Speaker 3: Washington with him, So I'm kind of like alone here.
Speaker 2: Okay, man, I mean the kids. I mean it's the kids.
Speaker 2: They just make this thing so so tough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely does.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3: I'm in a big situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, he cheated on me recently too. I had
Speaker 3: a whole relationship with someone else, so the relationship ship
Speaker 3: isn't good. Like I'm pretty sure he's in narcissisia. It's
Speaker 3: like cameras all over the house watching me twenty four seven.
Speaker 2: The cameras all over the house watching you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you have you considered leaving the relationship or what
Speaker 2: it might take to leave the relationship?
Speaker 3: I have considered it, yeah, I mean heavily recently.
Speaker 2: And it's just like, tell me what goes on in
Speaker 2: your brain as you're as you're doing these considerations.
Speaker 3: Well, it would be a big thing because we have kids,
Speaker 3: and I don't. I just feel so trapped. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure exactly how to go about it since I am
Speaker 3: from out of state, so it's it's kind of it's
Speaker 3: kind of tough.
Speaker 2: Have you ever well, have you ever talked to a
Speaker 2: real therapist about this or gotten like any kind of
Speaker 2: professional help? Yeahbut anybody Okay, and what do they say?
Speaker 3: Well, my therapist just encourages me to kind of do
Speaker 3: what I'm ready for. I just see, like I literally
Speaker 3: saw a psychiatrist yesterday too, okay, and so it's just
Speaker 3: they just kind of tell me what it's up to you.
Speaker 3: You know, we can only provide you options, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, but I just it's so hard because I've
Speaker 3: been in the situation for like nine years.
Speaker 2: Your therapist told you to do what you're ready for. Yeah, basically, Okay,
Speaker 2: what are you ready for?
Speaker 3: I don't fucking know. Like I was homeless for so
Speaker 3: long and then he came around and was able to
Speaker 3: provide for me, and I felt like comfortable and provided
Speaker 3: for for so long. But I'm just scared to go
Speaker 3: and be on my own and not know what to
Speaker 3: do because I've never kind of been in that situation for.
Speaker 2: I mean, is and and you know, I mean, i mean,
Speaker 2: get get real with me here, is this. Is there
Speaker 2: a fear of like is there a fear of like
Speaker 2: retaliation if you leave him?
Speaker 3: Definitely? Okay, definitely yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kelly. Well, first of all, I'm really sorry to
Speaker 2: hear that you're in this situation. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: I'm happy to talk to you about it. It's totally
Speaker 2: totally beyond me, and I think that you should try
Speaker 2: and get some some help. I mean, you're you're a psychiatrist.
Speaker 2: They just told you to do what you're ready for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean basically, you know, she's she's offered me
Speaker 3: like options and help, and I'm like, okay, but I'm
Speaker 3: just not I don't know if I'm ready to like
Speaker 3: accept those options yet.
Speaker 2: What options has she offered you?
Speaker 3: Uh, like shelters and stuff like that, and ways to
Speaker 3: get on my seat by myself.
Speaker 4: But I just don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just scared.
Speaker 2: Maybe what are you scared of.
Speaker 3: Having to like do it all on my own? Maybe
Speaker 3: why are.
Speaker 2: You afraid of having to do it all on your own?
Speaker 3: Because I never like have I don't know. It's just
Speaker 3: like I feel so irrational, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: As does your therapists or psychiatrist tell you anything else
Speaker 2: helpful in terms of dealing with that?
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, I mean not in the way that you'd expect.
Speaker 3: Didn't like of any coping techniques or anything like that.
Speaker 3: They just say like, oh, will you get the fuck
Speaker 3: out of it? And I'm like, yeah, I know, but no,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I mean, look, dude, I I I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna and I really can't like tell you what
Speaker 2: to do with your life, or like who to be with,
Speaker 2: or like what choices to make or anything. But I guess,
Speaker 2: just like as as an Internet lizard talking to you
Speaker 2: on the phone right now, I would say that I can't.
Speaker 2: I hope you understand you're twenty four. I hope you
Speaker 2: understand or at least have faith in the idea that
Speaker 2: you your life can be much better than it is
Speaker 2: right now. Do you have faith? Do you have faith
Speaker 2: in that idea?
Speaker 3: Not really? I mean, I know it could be, but
Speaker 3: I just maybe I don't have faith in myself.
Speaker 2: And and I guess if you had a little, like
Speaker 2: a little bit of faith in the idea that your
Speaker 2: life could be better than it is right now, and
Speaker 2: that you have the power and the options that you
Speaker 2: could take to make it a little bit better, that
Speaker 2: you'd be a little bit more brave in taking those options.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I know. That's
Speaker 3: that's that's the part of where I feel like super
Speaker 3: irrational because I'm like, just hear it kind of not
Speaker 3: doing shit. It's kind of along for the ride right now.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm. But wouldn't you feel but like, and again,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you get there, And it's it's
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's a tough thing to do
Speaker 2: in a in a little phone call when this is
Speaker 2: something that you've been engrossed in for such a long time.
Speaker 2: But like, do you think you could like find it
Speaker 2: within yourself to just be like, Okay, I know that
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough and it's gonna be scary, and
Speaker 2: I've never done it before, but like, I know that
Speaker 2: if I take the help that's being provided to me
Speaker 2: and I go down the path of these options that
Speaker 2: have been presented to me, it'll lead to a better
Speaker 2: life for myself and also very importantly a better life
Speaker 2: for your kids.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it would just be shitty at first, but
Speaker 3: I you know, it's I just like I said, I
Speaker 3: just I feel like a total loser or just not
Speaker 3: doing anything.
Speaker 2: But I guess I just want to get to the
Speaker 2: bottom of like why, and I what's tough to talk
Speaker 2: about this because I know it's so much easier said
Speaker 2: than done, right, I mean, what's stopping you from from
Speaker 2: wanting to take these options that that you see in
Speaker 2: front of you, maybe.
Speaker 3: Hoping that things will change, will be different or better
Speaker 3: in some way.
Speaker 2: But I don't know how.
Speaker 3: That's gonna come about because it's just been the same
Speaker 3: for so long and most likely progressively worse.
Speaker 2: But so you but okay, so just even like right there,
Speaker 2: like you just said that you have hope that things
Speaker 2: will get better.
Speaker 3: I do, but it's like hard to because things have
Speaker 3: gone so much downhill recently.
Speaker 2: But then if you have that little you, if you
Speaker 2: have that little hope that things will get better, is
Speaker 2: it such a jump for you to go, Okay, I
Speaker 2: have this hope that things will get better, and here
Speaker 2: are these options that these you know, whether it's a
Speaker 2: shelter or I don't know. I don't know the logistics
Speaker 2: of this shit, but like, is it a crazy jump
Speaker 2: to go from Okay, I have this little tinge of
Speaker 2: hope that things might get better, and here's some here
Speaker 2: are some options that I could you know, are within
Speaker 2: my control to take that will make them better.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm just, like I said, scared of taking I'm
Speaker 3: scared of change, scared of being alone because I've been
Speaker 3: with someone for so long, but that someone doesn't treat
Speaker 3: me well, you know, kind of takes advantage of me.
Speaker 3: You know, like this morning, I woke up to the
Speaker 3: toilet just fucking overflowing filled with shit, just like the
Speaker 3: smallest considerations for what I do at home or not taken.
Speaker 3: And it's fucking insane. So let's say you can't turn
Speaker 3: a hoe to a housewife, but I did it, cat.
Speaker 2: And I'll just like, like brow for the past eight years,
Speaker 2: I mean, since you were, like since you were a kid,
Speaker 2: your frame of reference as to what a relationship should
Speaker 2: be and frankly as to like what life is has
Speaker 2: been extremely narrow because of this relationship and because of
Speaker 2: these circumstances, and I think and when you're in that
Speaker 2: narrow frame of mind, you literally fucking can't see, Oh,
Speaker 2: there actually does exist a better life than the life
Speaker 2: I'm living. And not only that, but I also there
Speaker 2: are like ways for me to get there, you know.
Speaker 2: And I understand not being able to see that because
Speaker 2: you're so programmed in that like, you know, narrow frame
Speaker 2: of reference of the life that you've experienced thus far.
Speaker 2: And dude, all I can tell you is that if
Speaker 2: you have a little bit of faith in yourself. I
Speaker 2: think you can escape from that narrow frame that you've
Speaker 2: been living in for so long and get to a
Speaker 2: better version of life. And you'll just kind of have
Speaker 2: to take my word for it and find some like
Speaker 2: courage within yourself. Does any of that? Does any of
Speaker 2: what I just said make any sense?
Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 3: I'm just stuck in a shit situation that I'm not
Speaker 3: doing anything about and I need to, you know, like
Speaker 3: buckle my shit up and get something done about it.
Speaker 3: But it's just I'm just so scared, like I said,
Speaker 3: you know, and change is hard.
Speaker 1: It's really hard.
Speaker 2: Would you do it for the kids? Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, because things aren't that great for them. I mean
Speaker 3: they're provided for, you know, but there's more I could do.
Speaker 2: Kelly is is is there anything else that do you
Speaker 2: you wanna say about any of this or talk about
Speaker 2: or anything before we go?
Speaker 3: I mean not really. I mean I just I've had
Speaker 3: a lot to unpack and I just wanted to know
Speaker 3: what you would think about it, since I just I
Speaker 3: have so much going on. I've been through so much,
Speaker 3: and we want everybody to know.
Speaker 2: Do you make anything of any of the stuff that
Speaker 2: we've talked about. Do you feel any sort of more
Speaker 2: empowered to do whatever is in your ability to get
Speaker 2: out of this thing?
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I know you kind of said the
Speaker 3: same thing that my usual therapist does say, you know, like,
Speaker 3: but it's just I don't know's it's just crazy. I'm
Speaker 3: afraid because his family is my family, and I didn't
Speaker 3: talk to my family growing up, so I'm afraid to
Speaker 3: lose that. And it's just there's so much that I'm
Speaker 3: afraid of and taking that next step, I know it
Speaker 3: will be really difficult for me, and I'm just scared.
Speaker 3: And I mean, you're just another person that's encouraged me,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The last thing I'll say to you is I just
Speaker 2: I just I if the last thing I'll say and
Speaker 2: then I'll let you go. I hope you have an
Speaker 2: abundance mentality when it comes to your relationships. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, because you're sitting here like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I know this guy sucks, but he's all
Speaker 2: I got, and I know this person's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all I got, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah basically, and.
Speaker 2: I understand how you got to that place because it's
Speaker 2: been all you had for a while. But I just please,
Speaker 2: if you get like anything out of this phone call,
Speaker 2: I just hope it's that, like you adopt an abundance
Speaker 2: mentality when it comes to your relationships and go instead
Speaker 2: of going like, oh, I'm afraid to lose this because
Speaker 2: it's all I've got, be like, well, this thing kind
Speaker 2: of sucks. And actually there's an abundance of different people
Speaker 2: out there in the universe that could come into my
Speaker 2: life that would be far greater than what I have now.
Speaker 2: And there's actually an abundance of relationships, an abundance of people,
Speaker 2: And when you think about it like that, it's a
Speaker 2: little bit easier to not stay stuck in a place
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh, that's all I've got. So I
Speaker 2: swear if you just get anything out of this, I
Speaker 2: hope it's that you you adopt an abundance mentality when
Speaker 2: it comes to people and relate ships, which is hard
Speaker 2: to do but it's worth it. Thanks, Gek, Okay, good luck, Cali.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say before we go?
Speaker 3: Uh? Stay cool, love your Gek.
Speaker 2: It was nice talking too, nice tucking you too, man,
Speaker 2: good luck?
Speaker 3: Thanks?
Speaker 2: Do I have any post call thoughts on that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess I can talk about I mean, abund abundance
Speaker 2: mentality in general is something that is really hard to cultivate,
Speaker 2: whether you're in a you know, a crazy dire situation
Speaker 2: or just like you know, trying to make any kind
Speaker 2: of life change. It's hard. It's hard. I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not the master of it. I'm not the master of
Speaker 2: any of this ship by the way, I really I
Speaker 2: have no idea, but I think it makes life better.
Speaker 2: And it's weird because, like you could, it's fucking weird
Speaker 2: because you can kind of have everything and still have
Speaker 2: a scarcity mindset. I fucked that word up a lot.
Speaker 2: I say scarce, scarcity. I thought that was the word,
Speaker 2: and then people got mad at me and they said
Speaker 2: it's actually scarce. But anyway, like you can have fucking everything.
Speaker 2: They can be rich and have a scarcity mindset when
Speaker 2: it comes to money, or you can be poor and
Speaker 2: be like, oh, an abundance mindset, dude, Like just with
Speaker 2: all this shit, it's like you can have everything and
Speaker 2: still have a scary It's like the mindset is so
Speaker 2: fucking important. And I don't I don't, I don't know
Speaker 2: the logistics have had to change that mindset. But I
Speaker 2: do know that that the mindset is important. I've talked
Speaker 2: about that on the podcast, and that's something I've learned
Speaker 2: from talking to so many people, is how important the
Speaker 2: mindset is. So yeah, I don't know. I'm a fucking
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