WEBVTT - “I WAS SCAMMED BY CAMGIRLS” 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:03.279 No way. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.400 Yoh, what's up, dude? 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:05.400 Way is up? 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:05.600 Bro? 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:07.280 I didn't think you called me. This is the first 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.160 time I ever texted. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.559 Well, let's see here, I'm gonna I'm not gonna ask 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.640 you your name because I'm just gonna forget which is not? 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.840 Which is? You know this should be anonymous anyway, But anyway, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.760 I'm gonna call you Jason. Jason. It says here that 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.880 you used to have a chronic addiction to camera women. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.760 Does that? Does that mean? Okay? That means like cam 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:31.480 girls like girls. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.000 Who yes, you know more more specifically, to the audience 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.360 that probably isn't familiar with the term, it's uh uh 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.840 not like well, pretty much OnlyFans but more or less 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.760 live and you can pretty much pay them to do 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.040 whatever they want. Or well, you think whatever you want 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:49.800 and then you. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.280 Think this, you think this twitch. I'm sorry you think 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.280 this twitch. Audience is not familiar with the term cam girl. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.640 I'm basically a cairl a camera that's true, that's true. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:00.640 Yeah, cam get go. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.520 Okay, so how long have you been addicted to the 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:05.120 cam girls? 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.800 For shit? That started back in twenty twenty as soon 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.959 as I start because I graduated back in twenty twenty. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.959 So it was like it was like, right as I 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.959 started getting my own money, I was all like, oh, 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.480 let me see, let me see where this can go. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.759 And that uh I turned into a pretty big thing 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.360 pretty quick. Same thing with the pandemic and everything that 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:25.559 was that was pretty bad. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.480 How much money were you spending? 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.600 Oh shit, I probably couldn't even put a number on it. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.959 There was there was one girl whose attention I was 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.880 trying to get, and before I managed to get her 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.919 off of the side, I think I spent like upwards 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:42.480 of nine hundred dollars on her. So I mean, that's 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.800 that's again on on one girl specifically. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.120 Are you is this still something that you're struggling with 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.760 or have you kind of got it? 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.440 It's it's it's it's kind of gotten under control. There's 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.920 you know, there's still rebounds here and there, but you know, 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.280 not not nearly as severe. And I've feel very you know, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.560 bitter about myself when I do it, and it's just 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:09.040 like you but you know, I mean, I mean the 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.360 same thing. It's you know, something that I'm actively working on. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:18.399 And shit, so I'm talking to another girl in real 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.640 life rather than you know, online and ship so you know, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.840 that's that's definitely helping a lot with my mental state. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.680 So let's talk about this. So what when you were 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.520 doing that a lot, what do you like, what were 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.120 you looking for? What were you chasing? Like deep down? 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:34.280 What was it? 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.720 I think I was just chasing for like attention or 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.280 just like having someone there that like, in my eyes, 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.280 cared about me and you know, spending the upwards of money, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:50.200 like they'll recognize you pretty quick obviously. But I think 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.120 I think that's definitely what I was looking for, was 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:57.000 just like seeking attention because in high school, you know 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.320 a lot of people would end up ghosting me because 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.320 I was, you know, now realizing as an adult, I 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.440 was hell of cleaning and shit, but back then I 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.080 couldn't really realize it or pinpoint it. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:07.000 Mm hmm. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.480 But I'd say, I'd say, like a mixture between like 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.200 loneliness and like getting me attention and and then, like 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.040 I said, I was back in twenty twenty, so like 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.880 you know, the pandemic and like getting loneliness during that time, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.680 I mean everyone was fucking lonely, so that really that 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:22.760 really egged it on hard. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:29.639 So did this did like, uh, did this alleviate that 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:34.920 loneliness for you and if so, or did it did 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.200 it end up making it worse? Like tell me how 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.640 it how it affected you know, whether or not there 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:41.840 served your needs. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.720 So there were probably like three women that I managed 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:51.000 to talk off of the site onto like Messenger, Instagram, 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.640 just just different outlets to talk them outside of the site. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.839 And you think on paper, that helped, but no, it's 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.880 like you know, then at that point it's like not 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.960 only do you have their personal information, but they have 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.280 your personal information and they extort you for like more money, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.680 and then they guilt trip you, and then it just 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.680 turns into like this big thing. So I'd say, like shit, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.240 I'd say, I'd say it definitely made it worse, but 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.480 it just like made it to where it's like now 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.640 I gotta I gotta talk with that person and make 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.640 that person like more attractive than me. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.640 You know, minute, I guess, so they wait, haunt So 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.760 they extorted you for money, Like what what were they do? 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:31.080 Oh? 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.400 Yeah, no, there was there was one girl that, uh, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.400 the one that I spent nine hundred dollars on. Once 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.080 I got her out of the site, then you know, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.240 we exchange pictures and all that and then you know 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.160 one thing, let do another, and and I would I 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.279 would end up sending her more money. She'd be like 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.880 she'd be like, oh, there's this thing I want to buy, 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:52.840 but like I don't mean. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:05:00.000 Real quick, so down for me. Okay, Okay, there's a difference, dude, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.000 does it instreme like what you're talking about and being 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.320 extorted for money? Like did she say like I'm gonna 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.920 take these pictures that you took and like send them 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.560 to your friends and ship? Like what what is that? 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:13.960 What she do? 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:14.279 No? 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.400 But but but in my head I felt like they 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.520 would do that like it it was never said directly 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:21.919 do me, but like in my head, I was just 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.240 all like, ah, ship that could that could come back 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.640 and bite me on nass pretty hard if I if 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.720 I don't do that, because it's because I mean, it's 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.040 not like it's not like i'd use to throw away 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.680 Instagram like I use. I'd use my direct Instagram. So 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.960 it's you know, I mean, I mean there's just like 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.200 a I don't know if you could call it professional, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:43.000 like as professional as you could make a camera girl Instagram, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.600 but but mine would be straight up personal. So it's like, 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.719 you know, if all of a sudden they decided, oh man, 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.640 fuck this guy, I'm gonna expose them to all his 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.760 friends and family. Sh It's like it's it's right there, 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:56.039 you know. So so I mean technically no, you know, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.880 I was never directly blackmailed or extorted, but but it 0:05:59.920 --> 0:06:01.520 was always something in the back of my mind. I'm like, 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.520 oh man, if I don't do that, then you know, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:04.640 they could buy me back in that. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.000 So was the fantasy that you kept chasing something of 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.000 like Okay, this I'm going to actually get this person. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:15.440 To like me yes, yes, yeah, no, there is there 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.120 uh you know that the same person. Like there was 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.159 points where like we talk about like meeting up and 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.120 shit like that, and then it turned into like, oh, well, 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.720 you know if we meet up in America d D 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.320 and the instantly it because oh I can't meet up 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.479 in America, you got to come meet me here, and 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.240 then it's like that's when it turned into another thing. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.920 I like, dude, if I if I come out there, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.760 like I don't know, you know, like like it's a 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.839 South American country, so. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.200 I ain't trying to where where where did this cam 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.560 girl want you to meet her? 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:47.520 Uh? 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:48.160 Columbia? 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.839 Were you about to go to Columbia to meet her. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.320 Hell no, they wanted me to though, But it was 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.760 just one of those things that like that, like again, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.400 I would just be scared of because it's just like 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.280 it's like, man, I'll get down there, and obviously I'm 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:04.840 not going to bring no friends with me because I'm 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.279 not trying to tell my friends, Hey, I met this 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.480 girl online. She's cam girl. You know, let's go down there. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.920 Come with me so I feel safe, you know, and 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:14.520 so and so. Then it just be one of those 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.120 things like man, if I could if I go out 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.600 there and same thing, if they turn on dime, I 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.240 could get I could get fucking jumped and I'm not 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:20.720 going back to. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.920 Isn't that what the movie sex Drive is about. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.440 I have no idea. I never I ain't seen that one. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.000 But but you know, it was just I don't know. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:34.800 It was just one of them things that you know, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.360 I should I should have probably blocked it off a 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.680 long time ago. But you know, I mean, I mean, because. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.200 So talk to me about this, then what was it 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:52.880 that transitioned you away from this stuff? 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.720 So about a year and a half ago, I changed 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.960 my job out of retail in the in the work 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.800 on cars, and it just it just gave me a 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.880 lot of time to like think and reflect on myself 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.040 with like how much I'm capable of doing with my 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.240 own hands and shit. And then that's also kind of 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.880 the point that I realized like how much money I 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.480 was really sending without realizing it. And then that was 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.480 the point that like it just kind of like something 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.000 just kind of colicked in me, and I'm just like, dude, 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.680 I don't. I don't like this no more. So then 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.760 who had send mass amounts of money. I was just 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.320 all like, hey, this this ain't me. I don't, I don't. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.040 I don't think I'm with this no more. And she 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.440 just like completely exploded. I guess she has some big 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.720 panic attack, fucking ended up having heart palpitations or some 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.160 shit and lander yourself in the hospital, and then she 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.440 blamed that on me. Maybe she had pictures and everything, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:46.800 so it's not even like one of those things she 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.760 made up. She fucking had genuine pictures like her heart 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.040 rate and shit like that being taken at the hospital. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.520 And I'm sorry. You see this girl, the girl who 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.439 you sent nine hundred dollars to that wanted you to 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.480 meet her in Columbia. Once you told her that you 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.760 didn't want to have a relationship with her anymore or 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.680 spend money on her anymore, set you pictures of her 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.520 in the hospital, claiming that she was so offended by 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.200 this that she had a panic attack that sent her 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.040 to the hospital. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.280 No, it wasn't. It wasn't the pictures of her in 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:23.480 the hospital, but like her records afterwards, But yeah, that's 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.319 that's crazy, man. Yeah no, And that was one of 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:28.880 those things I was like, oh, yeah, no. I probably 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.320 also mentioned she has she has my name tattooed on 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.600 her arm. She did that like like two weeks into 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.640 us fucking getting off the site. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.319 Dude, she did you pay her to tattoo her your 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:42.240 name on that arm? 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.679 I even told her it was a bad idea too. No, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:46.280 I even told her it was a bad idea too. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.439 Why did she tattoo your name on her arm? 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.960 I don't know. She was like, like, like I said, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.600 it was one of those things where it's like she 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.559 you know, I was. I was obsessed in my own way, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:00.920 but I think she he was obsessed with me in 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.800 her own way, And it was just it was it 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.240 was just bad and the same thing at one point, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.360 she tried to have it in my handwriting, and then, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.560 like her tattoo artists, was all like, not, his handwriting 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.719 ain't good enough, and then I was And then in 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.040 the back of my head, I'm like, oh cool, she 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.319 ain't gonna get it. And then a week later she's like, hey, 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:17.960 look at this tattoo I got, and I'm like, what 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:18.480 the fuck? 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.160 How often were you talking to this one? 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.120 Oh? This was like an everyday saying. We essentially became 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.439 a boyfriend girlfriend. I mean I think, oh, no, we did. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.359 We did? I guess we technically did have an online relationship. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.480 Yeah, And how often were you paying her? 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.560 I'll tell you it was like it was probably about 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.960 like every two weeks, but it just it just depends, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.719 so it'd be like fifty dollars here, like you know, 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.400 anywhere up to like two hundred dollars there. And then 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.360 and then she gave me, like, you know, this big 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.640 story of like, oh, you know, this is happening with 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.640 my family, this is happening with my kids, this is 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.640 happening at my house, and I'm just like, I'm like, dog, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.240 I don't like It's not that I don't have the 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.880 time to deal with this, but like it's not it's 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.040 not my thing to deal with, Like I'm not there, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:06.520 I'm not affected by it. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.080 So I mean, you this sounds like it was like 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:16.360 almost a digital like sugar Daddy seeking arrangements kind of 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:16.720 a thing. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.160 Talking about it out loud, Yeah, kind of. Yes, that's 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:24.720 a good that's good. That's probably a good way to 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:25.120 describe it. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.559 Yeah, did you have a relation Did you have a 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.960 relationship like this with anyone else? Or was it? Did 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.360 it only to this point with just one girl? 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.360 So so after her, then there was one of the 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.320 other girls that I got off the website, and you know, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:43.480 kind of tried some with her, but it was it 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.840 was something that you know, I didn't really send her 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.960 any money or anything. We just kind of like you know, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.160 talked more or less. But it was one of those 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.240 things that she had so many personal problems that she's 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.920 just like, I don't think this is a good thing, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.360 and you know, so so we never we never really 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.000 became official or anything, but I said has feelings for 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.960 her as well, like I wanted to make her my 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.240 girlfriend at one point, but she was just all like, yeah, 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.120 I don't, I don't think I want to do an 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.920 online relationship, which looking back on it, I'm I'm glad 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.080 I didn't because. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.679 Did you meet them on Did you meet these women 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.560 on like uh chatter Bait or something like that. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.160 Yeah. Yeah, we're like we're like, you know, you see 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.240 them as the camera and then you know you're in 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:28.480 the chat box or whatever. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:35.240 Uh huh. And this was all four years ago. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.200 Yeah, about about three four years ago. 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.079 Yeah, when did you cut off your communication? I just 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.040 kind of people, Yeah, when did you cut off your 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.679 communication with these people? Uh? 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.000 Shit, probably probably about the end of wintertime. Honestly, I 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.400 just got like into a really bad oppression back in 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.200 the wintertime, and I just like I fell into it 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.960 harder and then it was just those things. 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Did you ever talk 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:35.720 to a real therapist about this? 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:42.240 No? No, I have not, but I've been I've been 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.240 listening to your show a lot lately, and I'm just like, 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.000 I'm like, man, he'd be be an interesting guy to 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.400 talk to you about this, So not that you know, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.320 I'm saying you'd necessarily how long for anything. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.960 But how long ago did you did you start seeing 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.080 this girl that you're you're seeing now? 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:02.560 What was it? 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.440 I have a year on our calendar. The first date 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.600 that I took her out on was April twenty ninth, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.720 so it's been it's been just about a month. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.680 Oh okay, And you met her at work? 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.120 Yeah, I met her at my last job, but then 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.280 I switched jobs, so like I was working when I 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.640 met her, I was we were working in retail, and 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.760 there was one night that you know, it was one 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.160 of my last nights working there, and it was the 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.760 last night I was scheduled with her. I'm just like, 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.200 fuck it. So I went up to her and I'm 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.320 just like, hey, I've liked you for a really long time, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.040 Like you know, I don't really know how to express it, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.080 and I just kind of want to let you know, like, 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.880 you know, we may never see each other again, and 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.200 if if that be the case, like that's fine, or 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.320 like you know, maybe we might see each other again 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:47.840 and if so, that's cool, but like I just I 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:49.800 just won't let you know how I feel, and like 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.000 I felt that way since like November, so you know, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.400 And and that kind of opened up her eyes and everything, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.720 because she said she wasn't really like into the thought 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.000 of our relationships or anything. But then when I said that, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.760 like that kind of made her rethink that situation. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.520 Okay, be careful man, because I mean, look, I don't 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.640 know this, I don't know this person. But if it's 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.360 only been twenty days, you know, don't uh, don't put 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.960 all your your healing in at in one basket, you know, 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.080 because I guess it would be you know, I'm happy 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:24.800 for you. I think it's a really I'm for real. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.600 I think it's a great step to be like, Okay, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.840 I'm gonna get out of this crazy, crazy hole that 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.520 I'm in and start talking to real women. But you 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.600 don't want to get so invested so early on that, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.639 you know, if something bad were to go wrong, you know, 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.560 in this relationship, you you rebound completely and you're like, yeah, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.520 let me send a thousand dollars to uh, you know, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.600 a woman in Switzerland. 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.760 Right now, I think, I think, like the biggest motivation 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:54.960 is like a couple of years ago, I was actually 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:56.840 out of my family. You need, when I was doing 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.520 the camgirl thing, cousin's mom comes up to me and 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.720 she's all like Hey, I noticed that you never bring 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.400 a girl up here. And I'm like, right, and this 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.119 this was like primetime in me doing you know, my 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:13.359 cam shit, And they're like, hey, you know, do you 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.760 just not like girls? Are you gay or something like 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.520 is that why you don't bring anyone up? And I'm 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.119 just like, I'm like, no, I'm fucking awkward with women. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.080 And then I like tried to explain that to them 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.879 without like mentioning the camera women and realized how impossible 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.760 it was to explain. And I'm just like, I'm like, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.480 I'm like, no one's interested in me right now, and 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.439 and and ever since then, that's just been like a 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:39.439 big motivation to just like not be a fucking, you know, 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:44.159 sucubist and just to do something more with myself. But 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.359 that was like, that was like two years ago, and 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.080 I've just been thinking on that since. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:50.760 So you said that you're like mostly over it, Like 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.639 do you still have these yeah, you still have I 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.560 guess urges or like what where's the in what ways 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.080 is this still present in your in your life? 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.280 I would say like I'm not very good with saving 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.720 I could say that fucking flat out. So a lot 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.359 of my money tends to go towards like bills and shit, 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.560 and so the more bills I can pay, the better 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.600 it is, because it's like cool, I don't have that money. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.200 So if I can put like an extra two three 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.160 hundred bucks on my car, I'll do that for sure, 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.600 because it's like cool. Then it's just not money being spent. 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.040 But then, you know, if I'm feeling lonely one night 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:27.320 and then all of a sudden, I look at my 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.040 bank account and I see like, oh shit, I got 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:33.800 an extra fifteen dollars, then you know, they get thinking 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:35.440 and then all of a sudden it's just like, oh, 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.399