WEBVTT - Dave Phillips: Rahm's Coach 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.000 It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:14.080 you every Wednesday. This week Dave Phillips, the co founders 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.279 at the Title of Performance Institute with doctor Greg Rose. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.640 We've had on the pod before, right after Phil Mickelson's 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:26.239 historic victory at the PGA Championship. Phil and Dave very 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.640 good friends. He's part of that inner circle, but he 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.159 is also the coach of John Ram and obviously, with 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.519 John Rom winning a green jacket, thought it would be 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.480 a fantastic opportunity to get him on kind of pick 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.200 his brain. I mean, listen, John Ram is a incredible golfer, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.839 but he's a very unique athlete. He has some unique 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.040 things to his body, and that's one of the things 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.080 we talk about with Dave. One of the reasons why 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:51.920 I wanted to get him on talking about John is 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.520 if you're trying to emulate what John does, you need 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.640 to be careful with that because I think after listening 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:00.600 to the pod with Dave, I think you're gonna have 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.080 a better understanding as to why John does what he does. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.559 Why John isn't able to do some things that would 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.440 maybe make his golf swing look a little bit more orthodox. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.760 But I think there were a lot of people that 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.399 did tell John Ram that as a junior he needed 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:22.240 to make some changes, but in meeting Dave Phillips, I 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.880 think it was a career changer and a life changer 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.119 for John because the TPI model is to figure out 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.800 what your body can and can't do first. That's what 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.000 they did with John. We get into it, so it's 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.679 a pretty good deep dive into John Ram Masters champion 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.200 to go along with a US Open champion, and I 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.240 think the sky's the limit because when John Ram is 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.320 playing John Ram golf, he is tough to be. Before 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.680 we jump into that, let's take a moment to thank 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.800 for Wellness for supporting the show. You guys hear me 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.880 talk about them every week, and the reason I do 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.400 that is because I drink their coffee every week. 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Again, that's the CODEH 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.320 three at Fourwellness dot com slash Podcasts. So sit back 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:50.080 and enjoy listening to Dave Phillips. So, Dave, I think 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.799 it was only a matter of time before John rom 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:56.120 won another major, and he's been the dominant player I 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.280 think of the last you know, three four or five years, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.520 definitely this year. What do you think it means to 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.960 him to get another major? But I mean we all 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.600 know there's winning majors and then there's winning Augusta. What 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.400 do you think it means to John to get it 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.639 done there? Given the history of Sevy and Jose and 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.880 all of his heroes. Yeah, that's a good question, that Clote. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.720 I think it's really been amazing for him. I mean 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.600 this is one like as a European kid, you dream of, right, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.760 you see Jose Marie and you see Sergio Garcia and 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.440 then Sevy and they've all won there. I think you know, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.360 as much as you want to win them all, and 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.640 from a European kid, a lot of times you're looking 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.880 at the Open Championship as the one you want to win, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.080 but this one is it holds a special place for 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.160 John And I think this. You know, he's going to 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.800 say that they're all important, because that's the kind of 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.760 person he is. But I know behind the scenes that 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.280 this is the one that I know he really wanted. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.840 This is the one he really coveted and because of 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.640 the history and so for him to do it, and 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.480 I'm sorry that it was against your guy, because you know, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.120 I love you and I love your guy and we 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.640 we battle backwards of force. But I was so proud 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.720 of the way Brooks came out the way he did. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.160 And I think he's gonna he's going to be there 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.480 for the rest of the season as well and a 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.800 long time. You know, as you and your your partner, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.520 doctor Greg Rose, as the co founders of the Titleist 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:26.400 Performance Institute, UM, I think you two both have changed 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.240 kind of the way that we all as instructors think about, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.279 UM the golfing landscape and UM, I remember when Brooks 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.120 won in he won the first his first major at 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.479 Aaron Hills, and you guys, even Greg immediately called me 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.920 and said, hey, can we do an article because of 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.520 the workouts that he was doing, the strength that he 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.160 had put on, and you know, the team of people 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.120 that he had built around him. And we talked that 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.960 day in that article about you know, kind of Brooks 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.520 being kind of the the embodiment of the TPI model 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:01.880 of strength and conditioning, U all fitness, you know, having 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.560 all these things. I think John ram is the living 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:09.280 embodiment of the screening side of TPI. For everybody that 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.400 doesn't know that, if they haven't heard the story, why 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.919 don't you talk, Dave a little bit about how you 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.800 met John, the things that you saw, and the way 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.320 that you have gone about working with him. Because he 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.159 has a very he's got a very unique golf swing. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.040 He's got a very idiosyncratic golf swing. But talk me 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.680 through when you first met him and that whole process 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.800 of what you saw and what you told him. Yeah, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.600 for sure. So you know I first met him through 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.039 the Spanish Golf Federation, you know, with what Greg and 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.240 I do in our education worldwide, we used to do 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.680 some seminars for the Spanish Golf Federation, and they said, hey, 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.920 we have some players that we support in the US 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.960 to go to college. Would you, by chance, you know, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.960 look at this guy, John Ram And I was like, oh, absolutely, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.200 I'm happy to take a look for you. He happened 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.160 to be at a college tournahiment in town with Tim 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.279 Michelson and his coach, and obviously, in my relationship with Phil, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.120 I knew Tim, and you know, they brought him out 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.840 there and I started taking a look at him, and 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.280 I remember watching him hip balls and right away it 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.960 was like, oh, this is different. And you know, not 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.320 only was the swing different, but the persona, the way 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.840 he talked, and the way he did what he did, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.159 and he just had a little bit of swagger. But 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.440 the questions he asked that was what was most powerful. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.720 Like he wasn't like this reserved kid. He wanted to 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.080 know the answers. And he was struggling with a couple 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.839 of shots. Why can't I hit it high? Why do 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.440 I only draw it? Which you know, most people see 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.240 him now as all he's ever done is cut the ball, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.680 but he actually drew the ball, and then you know, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.480 these issues I was started to ask him about what's 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.160 going on with your top of the backswing? Why is 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.280 it the way it is? And then we screened him 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.280 and that's what we do at TPI. So you know, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.320 our philosophy has always been is that if you don't 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.880 understand what they can do physically, then you're barking up 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.760 the wrong tree, because you need to understand how somebody 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.360 moves in order to get better. So we took him 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:11.960 in the gym and we took him through an assessment 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.520 screen and he probably failed out of the fourteen or 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.240 so tests we did. I think he failed ten of them, right, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.960 And we started looking at some of the things he 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.400 was tight. We looked at the ankle doors reflection issue. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.160 He told us about that, you know, when he was 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.800 a kid. And then we looked at the wrist issues 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.440 and a couple of little areas but nothing you could 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.040 mold around. And I think, really where John and I 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:37.800 hit it off. As I said to him, I go, 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.280 you know you're gonna get a lot of people don't 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.880 want to change your golf swing. Don't listen to them. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.960 Don't do it. He said, your golf swing works, but 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.720 if you want, we'll teach you how to build a team. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.280 Around you and to really make it work and show 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.840 you what you're capable off, because it was just so 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.800 unique and I love the unique, right. You know, there's 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.680 a lot of swings that everybody's trying to have this 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.360 model and look like somebody else. John rom Is, John Ram, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.680 you know, Brooks Keptcas Brooks kept tiger Woods is tiger Woods. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.520 And for the young people out there, you need to 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.000 realize that you need to be the best you can 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.840 be and know what your limits are, and what your 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.720 limitations are, you can always work on fixing them. But 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.320 when you go down this track of trying to swing 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.760 like somebody else and you can't physically do what they do, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.560 that is a track that you'll never succeed at. And 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.440 so that was really how we came together and started 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.760 working together. He asked me to if he could come 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.120 out every quarter, and the Spanish Federation said yeah, that 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.200 would be great, and we just started to keep in 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.080 touch and he would send me swings from on the 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.560 road and during his college events, and I'd tell him 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.760 one or two things to do, and then you know, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.920 you could see the escalation of how good he was 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:50.320 going to be. And when he turned professional. I remember 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.880 from his first event, he was sent me a couple 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.920 of swings. He wasn't hitting it very good, and I 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.760 told him to do one thing and I just got 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.839 a text back and said stripe show. And from then 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.199 it kind of started and we've we've had a great relationship. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:09.200 We've built an exceptional team of TPI certified experts. You know, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.800 I play a small role with that team, and basically 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.920 it's kind of managing is steering the ship the best 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.600 I can. And you know, Spencer Tatum his Fitness Professional 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.120 TPI Level three phenomenal in Phoenix, Scott's l Arizona. We 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.280 have Harry Sesse on the PJA Tour his Medical professional 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.600 Level three. And then we have Jimmy Yuan, a medical 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.400 professional at home so to do any recovery we need 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.559 at home. We have Brett McCabe who's a sports coach. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.680 We have Nico Darees who's a you know, practice program guy. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.160 So there's a big team around John, and that's what 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.920 makes it work is a great team. One of the 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.599 things I find interesting about John is Adam Hayes is 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.480 Caddy who I think Adam does an amazing job and 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.920 has been a huge piece of that puzzle, but Adam 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.559 says that you know, at tournaments, John doesn't like to 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.480 do a lot and you know, in talking to Pat Perez, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.880 who I work with they both play at silver Leaf, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.080 at the same course in Scott's Dale. He said, if 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.000 John is home on an off week, he is basically 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.080 NonStop at the golf course, NonStop practicing. But when he 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.320 gets to tournaments, Adam says, he doesn't really practice a 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.240 lot and doesn't really need to practice a lot. A 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.480 lot of guys are different. They go to tournaments, they 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.319 like to practice. DJ does a lot of work at tournaments. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.280 When he's home, he tends to try and take some 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.760 time off. Brooks made that famous quote, you know a 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.000 couple of years ago, the only time you see me 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.520 practicing is when I'm at golf tournaments because when I'm 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.760 not at golf tournaments, I need the time off. Talk 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:49.000 me through what John does away from tournaments, which is 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.200 where people aren't seeing him, because Pat has been blown 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:58.360 away at how much he practices and how hard he practices. Yeah, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.760 it's the work before the work, right, and basically it 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.040 allows him to just go play. So my role there 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.840 is really just trying to give him practice programming and 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.000 making it fun for him. So you know, in the 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.120 off weeks, I'll go to Arizona. We'll do some work together. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.040 If there's any technical work that needs to be done, 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:18.959 and there's very little now. Most of it is, hey, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.920 if we keep the body in the right place, but 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.000 the swing will do what it needs to do, and 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.200 that's great, that's what you want. But when he's home, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.640 I mean, a typical John rom day would be it 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.200 gets up and plays with the kids and has fun 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.080 with them and does that and then off to the gym, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.000 and the gym will start with a pretty heavy workout. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.960 He's not afraid to move some weight in the gym 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.480 and that that's about an hour long workout, and then 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.520 he'll go home and freshen up and eat, and then 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.640 he'll head to the golf course and now we're usually 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.880 ten o'clock and he'll start his practice and he'll start 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.240 with some games that we've created that make it fun 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.679 for him. And he's got different games that he can 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.880 app into and those are anywhere from putting to distance 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.160 control wedges to driving games that he can rotate in 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.920 and out of it. It's it's really kind of unique. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:15.280 And then if somebody's there, he'll go play and he's 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.199 quite happy to go play golf, and it's like this 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.560 is his day. Like when he gets home, yeah, he's 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.160 going to have the off days where he doesn't he 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.320 shuts it down and does nothing. But you know, before 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:30.120 the Masters, we probably starting Tuesday of the week before, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:35.319 it's a good eight hours a day of practice and play. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.480 And then by the time we get to the Masters, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.960 in fact, before that Friday we shut it down, doesn't 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.120 touch a club. Saturday, Sunday, travel day comes in and 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.199 then kind of slowly works into the week. But you know, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.200 when I'm there at tournaments, it's really more for support 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.960 and part of the team. Anything he needs, if he 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.800 needs me to drive him somewhere, pickup food. That's what 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.280 we do, right, We do the things that you need 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.880 to do. So it's not always it's part of coaching. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.880 It's you pick up and you trying to get your 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.360 athlete in the best position they can to perform, and 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:17.760 that's that's what we do. John has the ability to 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.400 shoot really really low scores and that was one of 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.880 the things that stood out to me when I first 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.480 started working with brooks Kepta. He was playing on the 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.000 Challenge Tour. Right after you know, I started, you know, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.040 doing some work with him, he started shooting really low 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.559 scores in tournament sixty two sixty three'. That was one 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.760 of the things that kind of got him. The year 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:45.120 that Phil won the the Open Championship at Royal at Carnousti, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.480 Brooks had qualified for that. He and Peter u Line 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.000 were playing in a practice round with Phil and Ricky 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.760 and Phil was asking me about him, and I was saying, listen, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.800 He's shoots really really those scores. And that was something 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.000 that Phil really ld about Brooks is that he could 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.080 shoot low scores and tournaments. Obviously Phil has played a 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.040 huge mentoring role to John Romp, but I know that 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.960 something that Phil liked about John as well, that he 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:10.840 could show. I mean, I think Phil said the first 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.400 time he ever played with him, he shot sixty two. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:19.760 Why are some guys like John Dave able to shoot 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:24.760 really really low scores where other players aren't able to 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:29.120 do it that consistently. Yeah, I mean, I think it's 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.600 you know, obviously, ball striking is one thing, but it's 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.760 that there's no fear in John and I think that's 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.720 a huge aspect of players that when they feel it, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.400 they can go there. They don't turn the force it 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.520 off when it's coming, the water is flowing, they're going. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.120 And you know to your point, I mean the week 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.280 before in Arizona, I think he missed like an eight 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.440 foot put for twenty nine on the front nine, and 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.480 then the next day shot sixty in the wind like 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.400 it was nothing. And that's sixty was with a bogeye 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.680 or two I think, And so you know, he has 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.000 that ability to just put the pedal down and start going. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.960 And the big thing you have to do with ball 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.800 strikers that have that capability, as you know, is of course, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.400 like Augusta, which I'm probably the most proud of, is 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.920 the way he managed his game through that weather. Because 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.040 you were there with me. I mean, you saw what 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:21.920 it was like. I mean one day it was eighty five. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.440 The next day we're going on to the golf course 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.840 it was forty two and raining and windy, and it 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.120 was totally different. You know, one day the balls carrying 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.800 three hundred yards in the air, the next day you 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.080 can't get the driver past two seventy. And these are 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.480 the best guys in the world. So managing your game 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.640 and what he did that week was you know, normally 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.720 when you get a guy that can go low, they 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.480 start firing at pins. But he did a great job 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.680 of choosing the lines. And this is where Adam comes 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.680 in as really the most valued person on the team 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.560 is a caddy of Adams. Adams stature is that he 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.240 is the glue that holds it all together. I don't 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.560 think they get enough credit. Caddies aren't guys that just 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.520 came out of the bar and carried the bag, and 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.520 you know that that was fifty years ago. These guys 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.400 are former college players. Many of them are great athletes. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.040 They're smart, they're intelligent, they do the coursework, they do 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.120 their homework, they know the technology that's out there. They 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.640 have great relationships with the rest of the team. The 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.880 first person I crawl after a round of golf is 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.520 usually Adam, not John, because I want to know where 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.880 at what Adam saw and he's gold to me. I 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.840 mean that that guy deserves all the credit he should have. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.440 So I kind of went off track there, but but 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:41.360 you know, I feel like Augusta this particular time and 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.800 anytime you have to hit the ball in the right 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.080 place on the greens, and I think John just did 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.160 a little better job of that than probably Brooks, and 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.720 the last day I think Brooks did it better. The 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.040 first couple of days when we as fans and everyone 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.120 listening in his viewers, when they look at John's golf swing, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.520 they see it look very different print than what a 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.760 lot of the modern golf swings. You know, John is 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.479 a very big He's a big person. I mean, he's 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.399 a big athlete. He's you know, probably over I mean 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:14.000 six one six two. He's not a thin leaf kind 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.240 of he's a big kid. But when we see his 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.280 golf swing, we see that super super short backswing. We 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.000 see that club and that very very late off. Can 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:27.119 you talk us through the physical reasons why we see 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.560 the golf club in those positions and how he makes 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:37.240 that work, Dave, with the limitations that he has. Yeah, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.639 so you know, obviously I think John has talked about this. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:41.959 So he had a club foot when he was child, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.080 and they broke his foot and set it, so he 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.040 has no is it the right or the left the 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.399 right foot, it's the right foot. So he has no 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.280 dors reflection in his right ankle, which means it can't flex. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.160 So as a result, his left leg is actually quite 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.040 a bit thicker. You don't see him in shorts, but 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.520 his left leg is stronger than his right leg. His 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.959 left foot is a little bigger than his right foot. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.600 So that's one physical attribute. When you have an ankle 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.879 that can't move, that puts stress up the chain, so 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.080 it puts stress on the knee. So you've got to 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.520 make sure the knee structure is strong and puts stress 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.600 on the hip because they're doing the job that normals 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.359 and ankles usually do. They're like a shock absorber, right, 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.320 So you have to look at that in the whole 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.040 scheme of things, and that's what we do in my partner, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.119 doctor Greg Rose, as you know, as an expert at 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.080 this and as the guy that puts this all together. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:36.320 But basically, anytime it's not that John swing needed to 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.520 be short, I could lengthen it. People think he's got 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.399 tight hips and a tight thoracic spine. That's totally wrong. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.240 He has great hip mobility and great thoracic spine mobility. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.160 If I sat him down and we just went there, 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.040 he can get the club all the way back here. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.480 The problem is is as you wind that spring up, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.560 that puts more stress on the ankle, and if I 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.800 put too much stress on that ankle on a frame 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.000 like his, you could create some issues, and so we 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.480 don't go there. The other beautiful thing about john swing 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.360 is it's short, but it's very wide. DJ is wide up. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.040 John is wide out. So you know, you can be 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.600 wide in many different ways, but John is wide out 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.520 in front of him. The other beautiful thing about his 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.760 swing is the club is always in front of him, 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.720 so it gets down in front of him very easily, 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.359 whereas players with the club behind them they almost have 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.159 to wait for that club to catch up. So the 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:37.240 efficiency of John's kinematics is phenomenal. The way he uses 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.440 the ground is phenomenal. And his stretch is what they 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.080 call X factor, is actually bigger than somebody that has 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.399 let's say ninety degrees of shoulder turn in a forty 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.600 five degree hip rotation. John has like seventy degrees of 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.840 shoulda turn but only twenty something degrees of hip rotation. 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.880 His X factor stretch on the down swing is actually 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.639 bigger than most players on the tour. So we have 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.680 this very efficient engine. We have a big frame that 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.320 can move, and because he has mass body mass, he's 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.120 a bigger than normal guy. He doesn't put as much 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.600 stress on his joints as somebody like a Will's alectoris 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:18.440 or even a Roy McElroy who's smaller and stature much lighter. 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.080 They have to use the ground so much more and 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.240 put a lot more energy through their frame in order 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.760 to achieve the same kind of speed as John. So 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.600 in many ways, he may be the new modern golfer. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.240 You know, we're back in the eighties. They used to say, hey, 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.480 a five foot ten and about one hundred and eighty 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:40.360 pounds was Jack Nicholas, And you know Greg Norman well 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.639 now six foot three and two hundred and forty pounds. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.160 It's pretty damn good. One of the things that we 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.520 were talking about when we were watching golf the golf 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.040 over the weekend. The rest of his game is very 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.080 underrated because obviously he can hit the golf ball miles 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.520 he hits the golf ball. I mean, his ball striking 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:03.280 is very very elite. But you said that his putting 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.480 and his short game are kind of the underrated parts 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.480