Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week Dave Phillips, the co founders
Speaker 1: at the Title of Performance Institute with doctor Greg Rose.
Speaker 1: We've had on the pod before, right after Phil Mickelson's
Speaker 1: historic victory at the PGA Championship. Phil and Dave very
Speaker 1: good friends. He's part of that inner circle, but he
Speaker 1: is also the coach of John Ram and obviously, with
Speaker 1: John Rom winning a green jacket, thought it would be
Speaker 1: a fantastic opportunity to get him on kind of pick
Speaker 1: his brain. I mean, listen, John Ram is a incredible golfer,
Speaker 1: but he's a very unique athlete. He has some unique
Speaker 1: things to his body, and that's one of the things
Speaker 1: we talk about with Dave. One of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I wanted to get him on talking about John is
Speaker 1: if you're trying to emulate what John does, you need
Speaker 1: to be careful with that because I think after listening
Speaker 1: to the pod with Dave, I think you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a better understanding as to why John does what he does.
Speaker 1: Why John isn't able to do some things that would
Speaker 1: maybe make his golf swing look a little bit more orthodox.
Speaker 1: But I think there were a lot of people that
Speaker 1: did tell John Ram that as a junior he needed
Speaker 1: to make some changes, but in meeting Dave Phillips, I
Speaker 1: think it was a career changer and a life changer
Speaker 1: for John because the TPI model is to figure out
Speaker 1: what your body can and can't do first. That's what
Speaker 1: they did with John. We get into it, so it's
Speaker 1: a pretty good deep dive into John Ram Masters champion
Speaker 1: to go along with a US Open champion, and I
Speaker 1: think the sky's the limit because when John Ram is
Speaker 1: playing John Ram golf, he is tough to be. Before
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Speaker 1: and enjoy listening to Dave Phillips. So, Dave, I think
Speaker 1: it was only a matter of time before John rom
Speaker 1: won another major, and he's been the dominant player I
Speaker 1: think of the last you know, three four or five years,
Speaker 1: definitely this year. What do you think it means to
Speaker 1: him to get another major? But I mean we all
Speaker 1: know there's winning majors and then there's winning Augusta. What
Speaker 1: do you think it means to John to get it
Speaker 1: done there? Given the history of Sevy and Jose and
Speaker 1: all of his heroes. Yeah, that's a good question, that Clote.
Speaker 1: I think it's really been amazing for him. I mean
Speaker 1: this is one like as a European kid, you dream of, right,
Speaker 1: you see Jose Marie and you see Sergio Garcia and
Speaker 1: then Sevy and they've all won there. I think you know,
Speaker 1: as much as you want to win them all, and
Speaker 1: from a European kid, a lot of times you're looking
Speaker 1: at the Open Championship as the one you want to win,
Speaker 1: but this one is it holds a special place for
Speaker 1: John And I think this. You know, he's going to
Speaker 1: say that they're all important, because that's the kind of
Speaker 1: person he is. But I know behind the scenes that
Speaker 1: this is the one that I know he really wanted.
Speaker 1: This is the one he really coveted and because of
Speaker 1: the history and so for him to do it, and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it was against your guy, because you know,
Speaker 1: I love you and I love your guy and we
Speaker 1: we battle backwards of force. But I was so proud
Speaker 1: of the way Brooks came out the way he did.
Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna he's going to be there
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season as well and a
Speaker 1: long time. You know, as you and your your partner,
Speaker 1: doctor Greg Rose, as the co founders of the Titleist
Speaker 1: Performance Institute, UM, I think you two both have changed
Speaker 1: kind of the way that we all as instructors think about,
Speaker 1: UM the golfing landscape and UM, I remember when Brooks
Speaker 1: won in he won the first his first major at
Speaker 1: Aaron Hills, and you guys, even Greg immediately called me
Speaker 1: and said, hey, can we do an article because of
Speaker 1: the workouts that he was doing, the strength that he
Speaker 1: had put on, and you know, the team of people
Speaker 1: that he had built around him. And we talked that
Speaker 1: day in that article about you know, kind of Brooks
Speaker 1: being kind of the the embodiment of the TPI model
Speaker 1: of strength and conditioning, U all fitness, you know, having
Speaker 1: all these things. I think John ram is the living
Speaker 1: embodiment of the screening side of TPI. For everybody that
Speaker 1: doesn't know that, if they haven't heard the story, why
Speaker 1: don't you talk, Dave a little bit about how you
Speaker 1: met John, the things that you saw, and the way
Speaker 1: that you have gone about working with him. Because he
Speaker 1: has a very he's got a very unique golf swing.
Speaker 1: He's got a very idiosyncratic golf swing. But talk me
Speaker 1: through when you first met him and that whole process
Speaker 1: of what you saw and what you told him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. So you know I first met him through
Speaker 1: the Spanish Golf Federation, you know, with what Greg and
Speaker 1: I do in our education worldwide, we used to do
Speaker 1: some seminars for the Spanish Golf Federation, and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: we have some players that we support in the US
Speaker 1: to go to college. Would you, by chance, you know,
Speaker 1: look at this guy, John Ram And I was like, oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to take a look for you. He happened
Speaker 1: to be at a college tournahiment in town with Tim
Speaker 1: Michelson and his coach, and obviously, in my relationship with Phil,
Speaker 1: I knew Tim, and you know, they brought him out
Speaker 1: there and I started taking a look at him, and
Speaker 1: I remember watching him hip balls and right away it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is different. And you know, not
Speaker 1: only was the swing different, but the persona, the way
Speaker 1: he talked, and the way he did what he did,
Speaker 1: and he just had a little bit of swagger. But
Speaker 1: the questions he asked that was what was most powerful.
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't like this reserved kid. He wanted to
Speaker 1: know the answers. And he was struggling with a couple
Speaker 1: of shots. Why can't I hit it high? Why do
Speaker 1: I only draw it? Which you know, most people see
Speaker 1: him now as all he's ever done is cut the ball,
Speaker 1: but he actually drew the ball, and then you know,
Speaker 1: these issues I was started to ask him about what's
Speaker 1: going on with your top of the backswing? Why is
Speaker 1: it the way it is? And then we screened him
Speaker 1: and that's what we do at TPI. So you know,
Speaker 1: our philosophy has always been is that if you don't
Speaker 1: understand what they can do physically, then you're barking up
Speaker 1: the wrong tree, because you need to understand how somebody
Speaker 1: moves in order to get better. So we took him
Speaker 1: in the gym and we took him through an assessment
Speaker 1: screen and he probably failed out of the fourteen or
Speaker 1: so tests we did. I think he failed ten of them, right,
Speaker 1: And we started looking at some of the things he
Speaker 1: was tight. We looked at the ankle doors reflection issue.
Speaker 1: He told us about that, you know, when he was
Speaker 1: a kid. And then we looked at the wrist issues
Speaker 1: and a couple of little areas but nothing you could
Speaker 1: mold around. And I think, really where John and I
Speaker 1: hit it off. As I said to him, I go,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: want to change your golf swing. Don't listen to them.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. He said, your golf swing works, but
Speaker 1: if you want, we'll teach you how to build a team.
Speaker 1: Around you and to really make it work and show
Speaker 1: you what you're capable off, because it was just so
Speaker 1: unique and I love the unique, right. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of swings that everybody's trying to have this
Speaker 1: model and look like somebody else. John rom Is, John Ram,
Speaker 1: you know, Brooks Keptcas Brooks kept tiger Woods is tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: And for the young people out there, you need to
Speaker 1: realize that you need to be the best you can
Speaker 1: be and know what your limits are, and what your
Speaker 1: limitations are, you can always work on fixing them. But
Speaker 1: when you go down this track of trying to swing
Speaker 1: like somebody else and you can't physically do what they do,
Speaker 1: that is a track that you'll never succeed at. And
Speaker 1: so that was really how we came together and started
Speaker 1: working together. He asked me to if he could come
Speaker 1: out every quarter, and the Spanish Federation said yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be great, and we just started to keep in
Speaker 1: touch and he would send me swings from on the
Speaker 1: road and during his college events, and I'd tell him
Speaker 1: one or two things to do, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you could see the escalation of how good he was
Speaker 1: going to be. And when he turned professional. I remember
Speaker 1: from his first event, he was sent me a couple
Speaker 1: of swings. He wasn't hitting it very good, and I
Speaker 1: told him to do one thing and I just got
Speaker 1: a text back and said stripe show. And from then
Speaker 1: it kind of started and we've we've had a great relationship.
Speaker 1: We've built an exceptional team of TPI certified experts. You know,
Speaker 1: I play a small role with that team, and basically
Speaker 1: it's kind of managing is steering the ship the best
Speaker 1: I can. And you know, Spencer Tatum his Fitness Professional
Speaker 1: TPI Level three phenomenal in Phoenix, Scott's l Arizona. We
Speaker 1: have Harry Sesse on the PJA Tour his Medical professional
Speaker 1: Level three. And then we have Jimmy Yuan, a medical
Speaker 1: professional at home so to do any recovery we need
Speaker 1: at home. We have Brett McCabe who's a sports coach.
Speaker 1: We have Nico Darees who's a you know, practice program guy.
Speaker 1: So there's a big team around John, and that's what
Speaker 1: makes it work is a great team. One of the
Speaker 1: things I find interesting about John is Adam Hayes is
Speaker 1: Caddy who I think Adam does an amazing job and
Speaker 1: has been a huge piece of that puzzle, but Adam
Speaker 1: says that you know, at tournaments, John doesn't like to
Speaker 1: do a lot and you know, in talking to Pat Perez,
Speaker 1: who I work with they both play at silver Leaf,
Speaker 1: at the same course in Scott's Dale. He said, if
Speaker 1: John is home on an off week, he is basically
Speaker 1: NonStop at the golf course, NonStop practicing. But when he
Speaker 1: gets to tournaments, Adam says, he doesn't really practice a
Speaker 1: lot and doesn't really need to practice a lot. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys are different. They go to tournaments, they
Speaker 1: like to practice. DJ does a lot of work at tournaments.
Speaker 1: When he's home, he tends to try and take some
Speaker 1: time off. Brooks made that famous quote, you know a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the only time you see me
Speaker 1: practicing is when I'm at golf tournaments because when I'm
Speaker 1: not at golf tournaments, I need the time off. Talk
Speaker 1: me through what John does away from tournaments, which is
Speaker 1: where people aren't seeing him, because Pat has been blown
Speaker 1: away at how much he practices and how hard he practices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the work before the work, right, and basically it
Speaker 1: allows him to just go play. So my role there
Speaker 1: is really just trying to give him practice programming and
Speaker 1: making it fun for him. So you know, in the
Speaker 1: off weeks, I'll go to Arizona. We'll do some work together.
Speaker 1: If there's any technical work that needs to be done,
Speaker 1: and there's very little now. Most of it is, hey,
Speaker 1: if we keep the body in the right place, but
Speaker 1: the swing will do what it needs to do, and
Speaker 1: that's great, that's what you want. But when he's home,
Speaker 1: I mean, a typical John rom day would be it
Speaker 1: gets up and plays with the kids and has fun
Speaker 1: with them and does that and then off to the gym,
Speaker 1: and the gym will start with a pretty heavy workout.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid to move some weight in the gym
Speaker 1: and that that's about an hour long workout, and then
Speaker 1: he'll go home and freshen up and eat, and then
Speaker 1: he'll head to the golf course and now we're usually
Speaker 1: ten o'clock and he'll start his practice and he'll start
Speaker 1: with some games that we've created that make it fun
Speaker 1: for him. And he's got different games that he can
Speaker 1: app into and those are anywhere from putting to distance
Speaker 1: control wedges to driving games that he can rotate in
Speaker 1: and out of it. It's it's really kind of unique.
Speaker 1: And then if somebody's there, he'll go play and he's
Speaker 1: quite happy to go play golf, and it's like this
Speaker 1: is his day. Like when he gets home, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: going to have the off days where he doesn't he
Speaker 1: shuts it down and does nothing. But you know, before
Speaker 1: the Masters, we probably starting Tuesday of the week before,
Speaker 1: it's a good eight hours a day of practice and play.
Speaker 1: And then by the time we get to the Masters,
Speaker 1: in fact, before that Friday we shut it down, doesn't
Speaker 1: touch a club. Saturday, Sunday, travel day comes in and
Speaker 1: then kind of slowly works into the week. But you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm there at tournaments, it's really more for support
Speaker 1: and part of the team. Anything he needs, if he
Speaker 1: needs me to drive him somewhere, pickup food. That's what
Speaker 1: we do, right, We do the things that you need
Speaker 1: to do. So it's not always it's part of coaching.
Speaker 1: It's you pick up and you trying to get your
Speaker 1: athlete in the best position they can to perform, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what we do. John has the ability to
Speaker 1: shoot really really low scores and that was one of
Speaker 1: the things that stood out to me when I first
Speaker 1: started working with brooks Kepta. He was playing on the
Speaker 1: Challenge Tour. Right after you know, I started, you know,
Speaker 1: doing some work with him, he started shooting really low
Speaker 1: scores in tournament sixty two sixty three'. That was one
Speaker 1: of the things that kind of got him. The year
Speaker 1: that Phil won the the Open Championship at Royal at Carnousti,
Speaker 1: Brooks had qualified for that. He and Peter u Line
Speaker 1: were playing in a practice round with Phil and Ricky
Speaker 1: and Phil was asking me about him, and I was saying, listen,
Speaker 1: He's shoots really really those scores. And that was something
Speaker 1: that Phil really ld about Brooks is that he could
Speaker 1: shoot low scores and tournaments. Obviously Phil has played a
Speaker 1: huge mentoring role to John Romp, but I know that
Speaker 1: something that Phil liked about John as well, that he
Speaker 1: could show. I mean, I think Phil said the first
Speaker 1: time he ever played with him, he shot sixty two.
Speaker 1: Why are some guys like John Dave able to shoot
Speaker 1: really really low scores where other players aren't able to
Speaker 1: do it that consistently. Yeah, I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, ball striking is one thing, but it's
Speaker 1: that there's no fear in John and I think that's
Speaker 1: a huge aspect of players that when they feel it,
Speaker 1: they can go there. They don't turn the force it
Speaker 1: off when it's coming, the water is flowing, they're going.
Speaker 1: And you know to your point, I mean the week
Speaker 1: before in Arizona, I think he missed like an eight
Speaker 1: foot put for twenty nine on the front nine, and
Speaker 1: then the next day shot sixty in the wind like
Speaker 1: it was nothing. And that's sixty was with a bogeye
Speaker 1: or two I think, And so you know, he has
Speaker 1: that ability to just put the pedal down and start going.
Speaker 1: And the big thing you have to do with ball
Speaker 1: strikers that have that capability, as you know, is of course,
Speaker 1: like Augusta, which I'm probably the most proud of, is
Speaker 1: the way he managed his game through that weather. Because
Speaker 1: you were there with me. I mean, you saw what
Speaker 1: it was like. I mean one day it was eighty five.
Speaker 1: The next day we're going on to the golf course
Speaker 1: it was forty two and raining and windy, and it
Speaker 1: was totally different. You know, one day the balls carrying
Speaker 1: three hundred yards in the air, the next day you
Speaker 1: can't get the driver past two seventy. And these are
Speaker 1: the best guys in the world. So managing your game
Speaker 1: and what he did that week was you know, normally
Speaker 1: when you get a guy that can go low, they
Speaker 1: start firing at pins. But he did a great job
Speaker 1: of choosing the lines. And this is where Adam comes
Speaker 1: in as really the most valued person on the team
Speaker 1: is a caddy of Adams. Adams stature is that he
Speaker 1: is the glue that holds it all together. I don't
Speaker 1: think they get enough credit. Caddies aren't guys that just
Speaker 1: came out of the bar and carried the bag, and
Speaker 1: you know that that was fifty years ago. These guys
Speaker 1: are former college players. Many of them are great athletes.
Speaker 1: They're smart, they're intelligent, they do the coursework, they do
Speaker 1: their homework, they know the technology that's out there. They
Speaker 1: have great relationships with the rest of the team. The
Speaker 1: first person I crawl after a round of golf is
Speaker 1: usually Adam, not John, because I want to know where
Speaker 1: at what Adam saw and he's gold to me. I
Speaker 1: mean that that guy deserves all the credit he should have.
Speaker 1: So I kind of went off track there, but but
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like Augusta this particular time and
Speaker 1: anytime you have to hit the ball in the right
Speaker 1: place on the greens, and I think John just did
Speaker 1: a little better job of that than probably Brooks, and
Speaker 1: the last day I think Brooks did it better. The
Speaker 1: first couple of days when we as fans and everyone
Speaker 1: listening in his viewers, when they look at John's golf swing,
Speaker 1: they see it look very different print than what a
Speaker 1: lot of the modern golf swings. You know, John is
Speaker 1: a very big He's a big person. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a big athlete. He's you know, probably over I mean
Speaker 1: six one six two. He's not a thin leaf kind
Speaker 1: of he's a big kid. But when we see his
Speaker 1: golf swing, we see that super super short backswing. We
Speaker 1: see that club and that very very late off. Can
Speaker 1: you talk us through the physical reasons why we see
Speaker 1: the golf club in those positions and how he makes
Speaker 1: that work, Dave, with the limitations that he has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, obviously I think John has talked about this.
Speaker 1: So he had a club foot when he was child,
Speaker 1: and they broke his foot and set it, so he
Speaker 1: has no is it the right or the left the
Speaker 1: right foot, it's the right foot. So he has no
Speaker 1: dors reflection in his right ankle, which means it can't flex.
Speaker 1: So as a result, his left leg is actually quite
Speaker 1: a bit thicker. You don't see him in shorts, but
Speaker 1: his left leg is stronger than his right leg. His
Speaker 1: left foot is a little bigger than his right foot.
Speaker 1: So that's one physical attribute. When you have an ankle
Speaker 1: that can't move, that puts stress up the chain, so
Speaker 1: it puts stress on the knee. So you've got to
Speaker 1: make sure the knee structure is strong and puts stress
Speaker 1: on the hip because they're doing the job that normals
Speaker 1: and ankles usually do. They're like a shock absorber, right,
Speaker 1: So you have to look at that in the whole
Speaker 1: scheme of things, and that's what we do in my partner,
Speaker 1: doctor Greg Rose, as you know, as an expert at
Speaker 1: this and as the guy that puts this all together.
Speaker 1: But basically, anytime it's not that John swing needed to
Speaker 1: be short, I could lengthen it. People think he's got
Speaker 1: tight hips and a tight thoracic spine. That's totally wrong.
Speaker 1: He has great hip mobility and great thoracic spine mobility.
Speaker 1: If I sat him down and we just went there,
Speaker 1: he can get the club all the way back here.
Speaker 1: The problem is is as you wind that spring up,
Speaker 1: that puts more stress on the ankle, and if I
Speaker 1: put too much stress on that ankle on a frame
Speaker 1: like his, you could create some issues, and so we
Speaker 1: don't go there. The other beautiful thing about john swing
Speaker 1: is it's short, but it's very wide. DJ is wide up.
Speaker 1: John is wide out. So you know, you can be
Speaker 1: wide in many different ways, but John is wide out
Speaker 1: in front of him. The other beautiful thing about his
Speaker 1: swing is the club is always in front of him,
Speaker 1: so it gets down in front of him very easily,
Speaker 1: whereas players with the club behind them they almost have
Speaker 1: to wait for that club to catch up. So the
Speaker 1: efficiency of John's kinematics is phenomenal. The way he uses
Speaker 1: the ground is phenomenal. And his stretch is what they
Speaker 1: call X factor, is actually bigger than somebody that has
Speaker 1: let's say ninety degrees of shoulder turn in a forty
Speaker 1: five degree hip rotation. John has like seventy degrees of
Speaker 1: shoulda turn but only twenty something degrees of hip rotation.
Speaker 1: His X factor stretch on the down swing is actually
Speaker 1: bigger than most players on the tour. So we have
Speaker 1: this very efficient engine. We have a big frame that
Speaker 1: can move, and because he has mass body mass, he's
Speaker 1: a bigger than normal guy. He doesn't put as much
Speaker 1: stress on his joints as somebody like a Will's alectoris
Speaker 1: or even a Roy McElroy who's smaller and stature much lighter.
Speaker 1: They have to use the ground so much more and
Speaker 1: put a lot more energy through their frame in order
Speaker 1: to achieve the same kind of speed as John. So
Speaker 1: in many ways, he may be the new modern golfer.
Speaker 1: You know, we're back in the eighties. They used to say, hey,
Speaker 1: a five foot ten and about one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: pounds was Jack Nicholas, And you know Greg Norman well
Speaker 1: now six foot three and two hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 1: It's pretty damn good. One of the things that we
Speaker 1: were talking about when we were watching golf the golf
Speaker 1: over the weekend. The rest of his game is very
Speaker 1: underrated because obviously he can hit the golf ball miles
Speaker 1: he hits the golf ball. I mean, his ball striking
Speaker 1: is very very elite. But you said that his putting
Speaker 1: and his short game are kind of the underrated parts
Speaker 1: of it. What is it about his putting in a
Speaker 1: short game that you think makes hit you know, a
Speaker 1: strength of his game. It's not as flashy as the
Speaker 1: ball striking, but it is definitely, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the calling cards that he has. Yeah, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: the creative side of John rom coming from Spain and Boil.
Speaker 1: A lot of those guys growing up with Sevy, they
Speaker 1: love to play, right. You've seen this, We've seen it.
Speaker 1: And John's creativity around the Green. I mean I've watched
Speaker 1: him get in the bunker with a four iron and
Speaker 1: hit bunker shots and lob shots and you know they
Speaker 1: all channel Sevy. And then he's very close to Jose
Speaker 1: mural La the Ball who showed him some things, and
Speaker 1: then he's made it his own and he just tries things.
Speaker 1: He never stops trying, and that just gives you that
Speaker 1: confidence around the Green that you know, we kind of
Speaker 1: learned from Phil. I mean being around Phil and watching Phil.
Speaker 1: You know, Phil can hit shots nobody else can hit now.
Speaker 1: Partly is because of the makeup of his wedges, but
Speaker 1: also because Phil is an expert at reading the lie.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody read the lie the grass around
Speaker 1: the ball as good as Phil. Well. John's learned some
Speaker 1: of this as well and made it his own, and
Speaker 1: I just think his short game is astoundingly good. I mean,
Speaker 1: some of the up and downs he got this week
Speaker 1: from off the right side of the green on one,
Speaker 1: there was a couple. Some of the up and downs
Speaker 1: on thirteen from off the left were amazing with the
Speaker 1: speed of the greens. So that's one thing. And now
Speaker 1: his distance control wedges, we've worked a lot on trying
Speaker 1: to flight those down a little bit take speed off,
Speaker 1: which is a harder thing for John because of such
Speaker 1: a short swing. You know, for someone like Justin Thomas,
Speaker 1: they've got a slower, longer swing, they can take the
Speaker 1: speed and the spin off. When you have a short
Speaker 1: swing with quite a lot of set like John does,
Speaker 1: it can be a little difficult to take speed off.
Speaker 1: But we've done a great job of doing that, and
Speaker 1: he's done a great job of doing that. And Nico
Speaker 1: dar has created a game where we use eight irons
Speaker 1: for our distance control wedges, so you actually have to
Speaker 1: hit an eight iron eighty meters or ninety meters one
Speaker 1: hundred meters and that teaches you to slow things down,
Speaker 1: and then when we put the wedge in it works perfectly.
Speaker 1: So he's done an amazing job of that. And then
Speaker 1: I think the putting, yes, he has. He been a
Speaker 1: streaky putting over time. If you looked at statistics, it
Speaker 1: would say yes. But you've also got to remember that
Speaker 1: he hits more greens and regulation than most people, so
Speaker 1: he's putting more than most. So statistically, some of those
Speaker 1: stats I don't even look at. We've done a really
Speaker 1: good job of simplifying his putting, and he's got a
Speaker 1: little trade in there, which I think a lot of
Speaker 1: great people have. Brooks has this a little bit too,
Speaker 1: in that whatever they do through impact, they kind of
Speaker 1: do in their putting, so full swing can mirror the
Speaker 1: putting stroke. John Ram tends to be a really good, little, shut,
Speaker 1: little hold off face putter. Why do you think he's
Speaker 1: so good on left to right putts? Well, every he
Speaker 1: hits his left to right so he sees that line
Speaker 1: really well. So anytime we get a left to right
Speaker 1: put with loving it and then the hardest put for
Speaker 1: creative guys is a straight put. But we've done a
Speaker 1: really good job of simplifying putting, and he works on
Speaker 1: it and he's getting better and better and more confident.
Speaker 1: We had you on the podcast before talking about Phil.
Speaker 1: You've been, you know, part of Phil's inner circle. For
Speaker 1: a long time. Phill has played a huge role in
Speaker 1: John's career, both on and off the golf course. I
Speaker 1: remember when John turned pro, Phil was taking bets from
Speaker 1: anybody that would listen on the PGA Tour saying, John Ram,
Speaker 1: you know, was either inside of a year or two years,
Speaker 1: was going to be inside the top three in the world.
Speaker 1: What do you think that impressed Phil so much about
Speaker 1: John at such an early age. You know, I think
Speaker 1: the first time I know he played golf with him
Speaker 1: at Whisper Rock and Shut sixty two. But there was
Speaker 1: another time in California when I took John to play
Speaker 1: with Phil at the Bridges Golf Club, and I remember
Speaker 1: after three holes, Phil coming up to me and go,
Speaker 1: that's the best iron strike I've heard in a long time.
Speaker 1: That kid's going to be, you know, world number one
Speaker 1: one day. And you know there's a guy that knows
Speaker 1: what a great iron strike sounds like. You know, John
Speaker 1: tends to because of his shortest swaying and the way
Speaker 1: the club moves from hip height to hip height on
Speaker 1: both sides. I don't know if there's anybody that's got
Speaker 1: the face matching the plane better than John Rock. There's
Speaker 1: no open on a lot of rotation of the face.
Speaker 1: So as a result, his strike is very good and
Speaker 1: his control of the shot is extremely good. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what Phil saw. He also sees that competitivism.
Speaker 1: You know, Phil has a way where he can get
Speaker 1: under John's skin. He he'll kind of flip the game
Speaker 1: or change the rules on him, and you can see
Speaker 1: John get rattled. And at a younger age, John would
Speaker 1: get rattled by that. But now when it happens John,
Speaker 1: he just focuses in and you'll see those eyes kind
Speaker 1: of change to a different shape and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's game on. And it's kind of fun to watch
Speaker 1: his driving is I mean, I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the best drivers of the golf ball. You know, I've
Speaker 1: seen in a long time he tends to fade the
Speaker 1: golf ball. But you said that you've actually been trying
Speaker 1: to get him to feel like he draws it a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Yeah, So, you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: knew him when he first came here. He could draw
Speaker 1: the golf ball really well. And then just because of
Speaker 1: some of the physicality and as he gained more strength
Speaker 1: obviously on the PGA Tour, a lot of players that
Speaker 1: have power, they like to actually fade the golf ball.
Speaker 1: They feel like they can talk to it or control
Speaker 1: it a little bit better. And I can understand why.
Speaker 1: But John is an exceptional drawer of the golf ball.
Speaker 1: And what I'm trying to do with him is really
Speaker 1: get him dialed in to hitting and trusting a drawer patent,
Speaker 1: because he really does have that capability of drawing it
Speaker 1: at will, and he showed it a little bit here
Speaker 1: at Augusta. I mean, if you looked at some of
Speaker 1: the drawers that he hit, not only did he hit
Speaker 1: it great on ten where you have to turn it
Speaker 1: around the corner, his t shots on two were phenomenal.
Speaker 1: He had some beautiful drawer irons. You know, he started
Speaker 1: to get comfortable with a drawer, and to me, that's
Speaker 1: going to hold the rest of the golf world accountable
Speaker 1: because when he's got total command of both, That's That's
Speaker 1: what I keep saying is I don't think we've seen
Speaker 1: the a game yet of John Ram for four rounds,
Speaker 1: and not that any golfer ever has it for four rounds.
Speaker 1: But if he has it for two and a half,
Speaker 1: the rest of the tours in trouble. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: so he's won the first major of the year. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously that's the second one. I think he's he's so
Speaker 1: good with three majors left that he is good enough
Speaker 1: to win all three of them this year. So let's
Speaker 1: go through the courses, David and kind of talk about
Speaker 1: how they fit John Ron. So the PGA is going
Speaker 1: to Okkill, classic, old school US Open, East Coast, lots
Speaker 1: of trees. How do you think Oak Hill sets up
Speaker 1: for his game? You know what, It's going to be
Speaker 1: hard for me to say that there's no golf course
Speaker 1: that doesn't set up for John's game, because there really isn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has command of the golf ball like
Speaker 1: and you know these play as we say, hey, this
Speaker 1: guy's built for this, this guy's built for that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all based on the conditions. It's all how things
Speaker 1: are set up, you know as well as I do that.
Speaker 1: You know, you can get a lucky break with the drawer.
Speaker 1: In major's there's the good guys go to the top,
Speaker 1: but then somebody will win it that you didn't expect,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times they might have got out
Speaker 1: on the right side of weather or the right side
Speaker 1: of the drawer, or they just had a few lucky bounces.
Speaker 1: Really in many ways, you can look this week and
Speaker 1: see a few lucky bounces that everybody had that you
Speaker 1: were like, oh man, that could have been really in
Speaker 1: trouble and it bounced out in the fallway. And you know,
Speaker 1: so you need the golf guards on your side to
Speaker 1: win major championships. I think every everybody that's won them
Speaker 1: will say, wow, I hit this shot and I actually
Speaker 1: or I hit a put that win in that I
Speaker 1: didn't expect to make. But you just need to keep
Speaker 1: giving yourself chances. And I think John whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: the PJA Championship, the US Open, the British Open, wherever
Speaker 1: it is, he can hit, his game will travel anywhere.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm bullish on you know, if there
Speaker 1: was one golfer in my books and nothing against Brooks
Speaker 1: or anybody else, as you know, that could literally win
Speaker 1: all four majors in one year right now, it would
Speaker 1: be John rom because he's won the first one he's
Speaker 1: won in Ireland before. Does he like Links style golf course?
Speaker 1: There has always been this. I mean, John, he's getting better,
Speaker 1: but at times he can run hot, which I kind
Speaker 1: of like, but to win an open championship, you can
Speaker 1: get stuck in some really really bad weather and a
Speaker 1: lot of the conditions can be against you at an
Speaker 1: Open championship, good weather or poor weather. What do you
Speaker 1: think he does well in those situations? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you know, Open championships are different, as you know, because
Speaker 1: they're very conditioned dependent, and just because of the nature
Speaker 1: of where they are in the world, the weather can
Speaker 1: become a big issue, more so in the North when
Speaker 1: we're down this year in Liverpool, which is why Lake
Speaker 1: last time when Tiger won it, there was dry as
Speaker 1: a bone and guys were hitting two iron three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards. So again, it really doesn't It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to get ahead of myself and saying, you
Speaker 1: know which what it's going to affect John. What I
Speaker 1: would say is he's starting to mature where he's being
Speaker 1: able to handle whether good days or bad days. The
Speaker 1: goal for any major championship is just get in position
Speaker 1: to be there with nine holes to go and see
Speaker 1: what happens. And you know, if you can do that,
Speaker 1: and I think this is what all the great players
Speaker 1: try and do, is they're jocking for position. You know,
Speaker 1: I was a little shocked to see some of the
Speaker 1: guys that the Master does not make it to the
Speaker 1: weekend that we know are incredible players. And maybe they're
Speaker 1: just trying a little bit too hard, maybe they're over preparing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think in some cases you
Speaker 1: just got to be very, very patient. You're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: have you talked to John and the team. Have they
Speaker 1: talked to him about, um, the fieriness that he has,
Speaker 1: because you know, that's a touchy one because you never
Speaker 1: want a player dave to not be who they are.
Speaker 1: But there was an example, you know, the I don't
Speaker 1: think it was the players that Rory won. You know,
Speaker 1: John and Adam on the second hole, you know, it
Speaker 1: was in the you got out of position. Adam was
Speaker 1: trying to get him to lay up. He wanted to
Speaker 1: not lay up, hit it in the water, ended up
Speaker 1: making a big number. But it's it's a balance, right
Speaker 1: of letting On be who he is, but also is
Speaker 1: he aware of that at times his temper can get
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I think it is. But I think
Speaker 1: his temper actually, in many ways it's under control, and
Speaker 1: I think it's not that he's mad at anybody but
Speaker 1: himself because he knows that he's put in the work
Speaker 1: and he knows he's better. I don't think he's getting
Speaker 1: mad because somebody did something, you know. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of elite athletes they may put the blame somewhere
Speaker 1: else because they kind of built a teflon around them.
Speaker 1: But John's a big boy. I mean, he takes accountability
Speaker 1: for himself. I actually like the temper. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I think it refocuses him in many ways. I just
Speaker 1: don't want it to affect anybody else's play, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he does that. And in many ways, I
Speaker 1: think it's what makes him so good is that he's
Speaker 1: able to have a couple of bad holes. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't think four putting the first hole upset
Speaker 1: him or pissed him off, it did. And I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that when he walked to that second tea, he
Speaker 1: took a d breath and he was like, Okay, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's get back to the game plan. And you know,
Speaker 1: seventeen holes later, he had shot nine on the part.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is pretty amazing, right, And I said
Speaker 1: to his dad walking off the green I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a hell of a story when he
Speaker 1: puts that green jacket on on Sunday, that he four
Speaker 1: putted the first hole right, and his dad was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, it brought bad visions of savvy. I miss,
Speaker 1: I miss, I miss I make. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many cool things that happened, right, yeah, I mean, And
Speaker 1: the one thing I liked about John is when they
Speaker 1: asked him about that. I mean, obviously, if he had
Speaker 1: four putted the first green and shot seventy eight, it's
Speaker 1: a little different. Like you said, he four parted the
Speaker 1: first screen and then was nine under from there on out.
Speaker 1: But he said he didn't get mad because he didn't
Speaker 1: hit bad potts. It's just that's how difficult and how
Speaker 1: treacherous the Greens can be. At Augusta National, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a double boat you on every hole.
Speaker 1: People think that, oh, thirteen fifteen, those are birdie holes.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been out there, we look at it.
Speaker 1: We're like, there's a double body sitting on every hole.
Speaker 1: You get yourself on the wrong side of one of
Speaker 1: those pins, you hit a chip that's not too good,
Speaker 1: I mean, on one you can chip it off the
Speaker 1: green all day long on one if you're on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of that guy did right, So you have
Speaker 1: to manage your emotions there that golf course. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it played amazing. I know the weather was
Speaker 1: the way it was. I think the changes they made
Speaker 1: on thirteen, you know, we're actually good because the guys
Speaker 1: were able to hit driver. They weren't hitting three wood,
Speaker 1: and if they did hit a good drive, they were
Speaker 1: left with a little bit more club into the green
Speaker 1: and decision to make. And I would love to see
Speaker 1: the stats on thirteen or fifteen around Birdie's, but fifteen
Speaker 1: was more of a layuphole this year, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: an easy layuphole. We saw some guys spin it off
Speaker 1: into the water with their wedges. But that's that whole,
Speaker 1: like you know that, that's what it is, and that's
Speaker 1: what makes that tournament so great. You said you didn't
Speaker 1: want to get ahead of yourself. We've got Rory right
Speaker 1: now with four majors. He's going for the Grand Slam.
Speaker 1: You've got Brooks with four majors. You've got dj with two,
Speaker 1: You've got Morkau with two, you got Scottie Scheffler with
Speaker 1: one and a players, how dominant ken John Romby? Because
Speaker 1: I mean you and I've talked about this, David, and
Speaker 1: I've said this to you before. When I watch him play,
Speaker 1: you could make an argument that I don't understand how
Speaker 1: he doesn't win every week. He is that good. So
Speaker 1: with two majors, now, are we looking at somebody that
Speaker 1: could maybe push into that rarefied you know, seven eight nine,
Speaker 1: maybe even because that's what we thought Rory was going
Speaker 1: to do. Right when Rory one Valhalla twenty fourteen, everybody
Speaker 1: was like, this is the guy that could get to
Speaker 1: double digits. It's kind of stalled. It's been almost a
Speaker 1: decade since Rory's won his next one. But is John
Speaker 1: that guy that could be a ten major winner? You
Speaker 1: know it's it's yes, he is. I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: He is. Absolutely he's that guy. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna you know, yeah, he is. He's that good and
Speaker 1: he needs to believe he's that good. And I tell
Speaker 1: him a lot. I go, I hope you're thinking about
Speaker 1: winning a ball this year because you're swinging as good
Speaker 1: as I've ever seen you swing. But the thing is
Speaker 1: is there are so many good players as you know,
Speaker 1: and there, and you need breaks and you need things
Speaker 1: to go your way. But John's twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: so you know, given the competitive nature of this game
Speaker 1: and how hard they pushed these days, you know, you
Speaker 1: could say that we've got another at least fifteen years
Speaker 1: of great major winning golf there. And then you think
Speaker 1: of Philip fifty one that won a major championship. There
Speaker 1: are certain majors out there that I think you could
Speaker 1: win into your fifties. And you know, as these guys
Speaker 1: take care of their bodies better, as you know, they
Speaker 1: put better, more functional food, which as you know, I'm
Speaker 1: involved with in their bodies, and we look at the
Speaker 1: longevity side of the medical space. Yeah, I do. I
Speaker 1: think John could win ten majors. I think you told
Speaker 1: a story last week we talked about this. It gives
Speaker 1: a little unique insight into the mental part of things.
Speaker 1: When he won the US Open at Tory Pines. You
Speaker 1: said he carries something in his wallet that and it
Speaker 1: was he used to get picked on as a kid.
Speaker 1: Tell that story, because I think that is a that
Speaker 1: is a really interesting way to kind of describe how
Speaker 1: he thinks mentally. Well, the story from what I recollect
Speaker 1: it goes is that John was in school when he
Speaker 1: was young, and I think he was probably twelve years
Speaker 1: old or somewhere. I can't remember the exact age, but
Speaker 1: the teacher asked them to write down what they wanted
Speaker 1: to be when they grew up, kind of as you
Speaker 1: would as a teacher in school, and he wrote on
Speaker 1: a piece of paper that he was going to be
Speaker 1: the best player in the world, the number one player
Speaker 1: in the world. One day and I think another one
Speaker 1: of the kids in the room saw the note and
Speaker 1: grabbed it and kind of made fun of him, and
Speaker 1: John grabbed the note back and quietly put it back
Speaker 1: in his pocket and carry that in his wallet. And
Speaker 1: when he won the US Open and became the number
Speaker 1: one player in the world, I think that was a
Speaker 1: little bit of that. You know, those kids knew who
Speaker 1: they were and they know who he is, and that
Speaker 1: was just a little bit of that. You know, you
Speaker 1: got to put it out there. And I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer if you can't see it, you can't be it.
Speaker 1: And any young player that's listening, or anybody whatever you
Speaker 1: do in life, if you don't have a vision of
Speaker 1: where you're going to go, you're not going to get there,
Speaker 1: and you need to put it out there. And I
Speaker 1: know John has put it out there with the green
Speaker 1: jacket and visualized himself wearing it. And I think people
Speaker 1: need to see the power of that because it sets
Speaker 1: you on the right course and it defines the lines.
Speaker 1: It puts you in the lane, so to speak, switching gears.
Speaker 1: Just a little um. You know, some really sad news.
Speaker 1: Will Salaturus just underwent his second back surgery and under
Speaker 1: a year. You guys were part of you and you're
Speaker 1: and Greg Rows were part of that journey. We were
Speaker 1: talking last week about the ball rollback, about how everybody
Speaker 1: thinks that you've got all this ball speed, you know
Speaker 1: one ninety, the long drivers, you know, the frame that
Speaker 1: guys have like brooks Kepka, like John ram have, like
Speaker 1: DJ have. But then I think the USGA and the
Speaker 1: RNA think that everybody's just going to hit it one
Speaker 1: day with two hundred miles per hour balls. Being b competitive.
Speaker 1: We saw what Bryson did Dave where he completely changed
Speaker 1: his body, got obsessed with long drive. Yes he won
Speaker 1: a major, but he's backed off that now. I think
Speaker 1: it had an effect on his golf swing. Your will's
Speaker 1: not the biggest kid. Do you think that the USGA
Speaker 1: and the RNA are somewhat naive of the speeds that
Speaker 1: modern golfers are going to be able to have and
Speaker 1: compete with. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not in all
Speaker 1: those meetings, right I'm I kind of stay in my lane.
Speaker 1: But what I would say is this is that to me,
Speaker 1: golf is in a really good place right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: look look at what we just had. We had a
Speaker 1: fifty two year old guy finished second to John Ron
Speaker 1: at the tournament and Brooks and we had so many great,
Speaker 1: great stories from last week, and nobody blew away the field,
Speaker 1: you know, or you know, no one shot thirty under
Speaker 1: part well and obviously yeah, exactly. So I look at
Speaker 1: it and go, I understand where they're going. They're they're
Speaker 1: trying to They're not about growing the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think on the business card for the USDA, it's
Speaker 1: about maintaining the game or holding the game, you know,
Speaker 1: keeping it where where it was. But many of the
Speaker 1: golf course architects back in the day, they wouldn't build
Speaker 1: the courses that they would they would have changed the
Speaker 1: golf courses. And by the way, if you went back
Speaker 1: to Ben Hogan's era. He played different equipment than Sam
Speaker 1: Sneed or or than Jack Nicholas, And every ten years
Speaker 1: equipment's evolved and changed and changed and changed. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I think what they're trying to do is
Speaker 1: they're trying to say, well, the second shot. You know,
Speaker 1: if these guys are bombing it as far as they are,
Speaker 1: it's taking away the second shot, and we want to
Speaker 1: bring back the second shot. Well, you know they're and
Speaker 1: it's not for everybody, right, So the amateur golfer, it's
Speaker 1: not going to affect. It's just going to affect the
Speaker 1: very small percentage of the best players in the world,
Speaker 1: which is probably point zero zero percent. And that would
Speaker 1: be like imagine if you had a business and someone
Speaker 1: came to you and said, we want you to take
Speaker 1: this golf ball and roll it back and build new
Speaker 1: golf balls, but you can't sell them. So you have
Speaker 1: to make them to abide by our rules, but you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to sell them because there's no market to
Speaker 1: sell them. That's kind of crazy. And then the other
Speaker 1: thing is it still goes like this, right, everybody thinks that, oh,
Speaker 1: everybody's going to come to this. Well, the short guy
Speaker 1: is still the short guy and the long guy is
Speaker 1: still the long guy. So to me, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I mean it. Actually, if I was a long guy
Speaker 1: like John Rob I'd be like, yeah, roll the ball
Speaker 1: back because I'm still going to have seven iron, and
Speaker 1: now so and so is gonna have five or four iron.
Speaker 1: So I don't see how it makes that big of
Speaker 1: a difference. I think agronomy really is the question. I
Speaker 1: think you can do that by a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: Now get to your question about ball speeds and the body.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been in this business since the inception.
Speaker 1: You know, TPI was founded in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: We've got more data on golfers injuries and body than anybody.
Speaker 1: I have thirty thousand TPI certified guys in sixty four countries.
Speaker 1: We educate in ten different languages. They do physical screens
Speaker 1: of the data. I can see what's going on, and
Speaker 1: when you look at it through our microscope, there is
Speaker 1: a ceiling at to what I think we can move
Speaker 1: the golf club at. And you see the long drive guys,
Speaker 1: they're not playing on the PGA Tour, right, they can bombit.
Speaker 1: You're always going to get those guys do that and
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's entertaining, but to be competitive. What we're seeing,
Speaker 1: this is just through my own eyes, is that once
Speaker 1: you get above one hundred and ninety miles an hour,
Speaker 1: there's very few times you can use it on a
Speaker 1: golf course. There it's just too much speed. You blow
Speaker 1: it through fairways, you can't keep it. There's going to
Speaker 1: be some holes that you benefit on, obviously, But what
Speaker 1: we are seeing is that everybody's training for speed, and
Speaker 1: what's happening is if you don't train right. And we're
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of young kids and a lot of
Speaker 1: college kids break themselves because they're doing things that their
Speaker 1: body can't handle. And that kind of goes into building
Speaker 1: the right body. So when you look at Brooks and
Speaker 1: you look at Dustin and you look at John, they
Speaker 1: have a team around on them. They've built their strength.
Speaker 1: And this even goes back to Rory. I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember when Rory was seventeen eighteen when he came to
Speaker 1: TPI with Padrick Harrington and he was complaining of lot
Speaker 1: of back paint, and you know, he put a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of talk. He bombed it back then, and you
Speaker 1: know one of our things with him is you need
Speaker 1: to get stronger, and he went and hired Stephen, a
Speaker 1: guy from England who got him stronger and built a body.
Speaker 1: And Rory's one of the first guys in the gym
Speaker 1: at every tournament and he is seriously strong, but he's
Speaker 1: built a body that can handle that speed. If you
Speaker 1: don't do it right, you will break. And I think
Speaker 1: we're starting to see that with the Bryson. I think
Speaker 1: these young kids that are coming out with massive speed,
Speaker 1: I don't see them dominating every week, and I think
Speaker 1: there's about a ceiling and I think we're right there.
Speaker 1: I fight six is about where you can play professional
Speaker 1: golf at now maybe wrong. We might have you know,
Speaker 1: this young kids sergeant who can get one ninety five speed.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll come out. But you didn't dominate Augusta, so
Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll we'll see. But I think they're
Speaker 1: I know why they're doing it. I just think they
Speaker 1: need to look at the whole equation. The human body
Speaker 1: can only handle so much. And I think we're there.
Speaker 1: And if you really want to take the speeds down,
Speaker 1: there's easier ways to do it. I mean, if we
Speaker 1: limit the tea height to two inches. You can't tee
Speaker 1: it up like this, launch it at this and spin
Speaker 1: it at this if every if the guys have speed
Speaker 1: and they have a low T it'll just spin. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's so many other ways to
Speaker 1: do it. Lastly, Dave, talk about TPI for everyone that's listening, Um,
Speaker 1: what do you think are some things that our listeners
Speaker 1: can go to the my TPI website and take a
Speaker 1: look at. And what's in the future for what you
Speaker 1: guys are doing? Yeah, I mean, you know for TPI,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we built a community of experts, so
Speaker 1: you know, we have golf professionals, medical, if you're injured, fitness,
Speaker 1: if you want to get stronger, then understand the golf swing,
Speaker 1: and they understand how to physically assess you. And to me,
Speaker 1: the most important thing would be I'll find an expert
Speaker 1: part on the my TPI website. Go in there punching
Speaker 1: your zip code, find somebody that's TPI certified beating you
Speaker 1: and just ask them to do a physical screen. Just
Speaker 1: know what you can do, because if you understand how
Speaker 1: you move, then you'll know how to get better. And
Speaker 1: I think that is that is the first and the
Speaker 1: best way to start. We have a lot of great
Speaker 1: articles on there and a lot of great exercises and
Speaker 1: swing drills and stuff as well, but that would be
Speaker 1: the starting point right there. In terms of US, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're continuing to educate and push the boundaries where we're
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Speaker 1: some of the MLB players come in because we want
Speaker 1: to know how they use the ground and how they
Speaker 1: create rotation and so on, and how they're so strong.
Speaker 1: So you learn from going out sign the ropes a
Speaker 1: little bit and that's what we'll continue to do. Well. Um,
Speaker 1: it was a fun day for us. We we pretty
Speaker 1: much spent the whole day together. On Sunday, we we
Speaker 1: watched we flew back together, and UM, it's always special
Speaker 1: when you know, as a coach, when you when you
Speaker 1: spend so much time with the players like you do,
Speaker 1: and when you have an opportunity to work with a
Speaker 1: player like John and see that kind of from start
Speaker 1: to finish. To to watch a player win a Green
Speaker 1: jacket when you were watching them in college is pretty
Speaker 1: special and watching him as a junior. So hats off
Speaker 1: to you. Congrats and you guys at TPI. You guys
Speaker 1: are the best in the world at what you do,
Speaker 1: so uh, continued success there as well. Thanks buddy. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you and hopefully I'll be celebrating with you
Speaker 1: one of these days on the other side of the fence,
Speaker 1: so I hope. So too good to talk to you,
Speaker 1: all right, body, take careful. So that was Dave Phillips
Speaker 1: and really cool to get an opportunity to talk to him,
Speaker 1: especially coming off of UM. I think a pretty historic
Speaker 1: win for gen Rom for a number of reasons. Obviously
Speaker 1: yet another Spaniard to lift the green jacket. I thought
Speaker 1: it was amazing to see Jose Mariel Thabel there um
Speaker 1: greet him. He joins a pretty interesting fraternity, but two
Speaker 1: majors now and as Dave said, he thinks he can
Speaker 1: have a legit chance to win the Grand Slam. I
Speaker 1: sure us. I'll think he has a legit chance to
Speaker 1: win it and pretty special week. It was a special
Speaker 1: week for me as well. My dad was there so anytime,
Speaker 1: Butchi is at at the Masters. It's fun. He doesn't
Speaker 1: go that often anymore, so I got to spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time with him. It was good to see
Speaker 1: everybody on tour interact with him because he just doesn't
Speaker 1: for someone that was a part of the tour for
Speaker 1: so long, to see him back at a tournament doing television.
Speaker 1: I had three guys in the field, so that was special,
Speaker 1: a little bit ter sweet for me this week. UM
Speaker 1: still processing everything that happened. I mean Brooks Kepko, who
Speaker 1: I work with, Brooks had a hell of a chance
Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, I mean he's devastated. I'm devastated. The
Speaker 1: team is. We're pretty beat up right now. But I
Speaker 1: think everybody knows kind of the story of everything that
Speaker 1: Brooks has been going through if you've watched the Full
Speaker 1: Swing documentary. I don't think he thought he'd have a
Speaker 1: chance to win another major this this quick. He played
Speaker 1: some fantastic golf. There's three majors left. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to play a role and as I said to
Speaker 1: him when he was finished, incredibly proud of him the
Speaker 1: way he played. He didn't get it done. He's an alpha.
Speaker 1: I know he's upset, he's beating himself up, but I
Speaker 1: think you saw that when Brooks is healthy, he's still
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the world. And a
Speaker 1: quick comment about the PGA Tour live drama. I think
Speaker 1: last week there was a lot of narrative going into
Speaker 1: last week that there was going to be beef and drama.
Speaker 1: At the live event in Orlando. A couple of reporters
Speaker 1: asked the players that were going to be playing in
Speaker 1: Augusta how they thought they'd be received. They said they
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be fine. They thought a
Speaker 1: lot of it was coming from the media. The media
Speaker 1: pushed back and said it was real after last week.
Speaker 1: If you're pushing that there is a rift on tour,
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour and the live guys, then you're
Speaker 1: doing that for your own reasons and for your own agenda,
Speaker 1: because that is one not true. It was great to
Speaker 1: see everybody last week. I had a number of different
Speaker 1: players walk significant different distances across the range to come
Speaker 1: give me a hug, to congratulate me. On Brooks in
Speaker 1: the week before asked me how I'm doing, how my
Speaker 1: family's doing. You know, I had about a thirty minute
Speaker 1: conversation with Rory McElroy and caught up with Rory, had
Speaker 1: a pretty good conversation with Billy Horshell. I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: Billy in a while. But you know, the fabric of
Speaker 1: the PGA tour um, even the guys that left Live.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the things I find
Speaker 1: interesting is the guys that left Live know what the
Speaker 1: PJA tour ecosystems like because they lived it. They played it,
Speaker 1: They were on the PGA Tour Brooks, DJ, Phil Bryson,
Speaker 1: Patrick Reid, they played the PGA Tour their entire career.
Speaker 1: They know what the PGA Tour is about. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people that have been making comments about
Speaker 1: Live and somewhat anti live, they're not part of the
Speaker 1: live ecosystem. They're not They don't go to tournaments, and
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're talking about. So I didn't
Speaker 1: notice any beef. It was great to see a bunch
Speaker 1: of people that I consider friends. I was happy to
Speaker 1: see a bunch of the caddies um the caddies for me.
Speaker 1: Are you know the caddies on the PGA too, or
Speaker 1: the Live tour or wherever you're playing. The caddies make
Speaker 1: the fabric of the tour. I'm there, the glue that
Speaker 1: holds this whole thing together. So I got to see
Speaker 1: a bunch of caddy Shay who caddies for Victor Hovlin Um,
Speaker 1: Joe Scavron who used to caddy for Ricky who's now
Speaker 1: caddying for Tom kim Um. It was great to see
Speaker 1: a bunch of these guys. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: it was I thought the last week was good. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna push the narrative that lives an exhibition and
Speaker 1: nobody plays and they're all gonna get Christian Majors, brooks Kepta,
Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson finished second, Patrick Reids finishes, I mean they're
Speaker 1: right there. I mean three of the top four guys,
Speaker 1: we're lived guys. So m I think last week was
Speaker 1: a big week. But to me, the big winners last
Speaker 1: week were the fans, the fans of golf, the fans
Speaker 1: of major championship golf. You get to see the best
Speaker 1: players in the world, and hopefully we continue to get
Speaker 1: to see the best players in the world. At the
Speaker 1: major Championships. And um, I think last week went a
Speaker 1: long way to taking a little bit of the fire
Speaker 1: out of this inferno that has been building between Live
Speaker 1: and the PGA Tour. And like I said, I thought
Speaker 1: golf was a winner last week, and I thought the
Speaker 1: fans were a winner last week. Son of a Butch
Speaker 1: comes to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.