1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week Dave Phillips, the co founders 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: at the Title of Performance Institute with doctor Greg Rose. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: We've had on the pod before, right after Phil Mickelson's 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: historic victory at the PGA Championship. Phil and Dave very 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: good friends. He's part of that inner circle, but he 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: is also the coach of John Ram and obviously, with 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: John Rom winning a green jacket, thought it would be 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: a fantastic opportunity to get him on kind of pick 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: his brain. I mean, listen, John Ram is a incredible golfer, 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: but he's a very unique athlete. He has some unique 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: things to his body, and that's one of the things 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: we talk about with Dave. One of the reasons why 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to get him on talking about John is 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: if you're trying to emulate what John does, you need 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: to be careful with that because I think after listening 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: to the pod with Dave, I think you're gonna have 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: a better understanding as to why John does what he does. 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: Why John isn't able to do some things that would 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: maybe make his golf swing look a little bit more orthodox. 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: But I think there were a lot of people that 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: did tell John Ram that as a junior he needed 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: to make some changes, but in meeting Dave Phillips, I 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: think it was a career changer and a life changer 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: for John because the TPI model is to figure out 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: what your body can and can't do first. That's what 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: they did with John. We get into it, so it's 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: a pretty good deep dive into John Ram Masters champion 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: to go along with a US Open champion, and I 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: think the sky's the limit because when John Ram is 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: playing John Ram golf, he is tough to be. Before 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: we jump into that, let's take a moment to thank 33 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: for Wellness for supporting the show. You guys hear me 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: talk about them every week, and the reason I do 35 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: that is because I drink their coffee every week. 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But I mean we all 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: know there's winning majors and then there's winning Augusta. What 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: do you think it means to John to get it 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: done there? Given the history of Sevy and Jose and 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: all of his heroes. Yeah, that's a good question, that Clote. 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: I think it's really been amazing for him. I mean 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: this is one like as a European kid, you dream of, right, 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: you see Jose Marie and you see Sergio Garcia and 62 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: then Sevy and they've all won there. I think you know, 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: as much as you want to win them all, and 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: from a European kid, a lot of times you're looking 65 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: at the Open Championship as the one you want to win, 66 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: but this one is it holds a special place for 67 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: John And I think this. You know, he's going to 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: say that they're all important, because that's the kind of 69 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: person he is. But I know behind the scenes that 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: this is the one that I know he really wanted. 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: This is the one he really coveted and because of 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: the history and so for him to do it, and 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it was against your guy, because you know, 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: I love you and I love your guy and we 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: we battle backwards of force. But I was so proud 76 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: of the way Brooks came out the way he did. 77 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna he's going to be there 78 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: for the rest of the season as well and a 79 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: long time. You know, as you and your your partner, 80 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: doctor Greg Rose, as the co founders of the Titleist 81 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: Performance Institute, UM, I think you two both have changed 82 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: kind of the way that we all as instructors think about, 83 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: UM the golfing landscape and UM, I remember when Brooks 84 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: won in he won the first his first major at 85 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: Aaron Hills, and you guys, even Greg immediately called me 86 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: and said, hey, can we do an article because of 87 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: the workouts that he was doing, the strength that he 88 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: had put on, and you know, the team of people 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: that he had built around him. And we talked that 90 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: day in that article about you know, kind of Brooks 91 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: being kind of the the embodiment of the TPI model 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: of strength and conditioning, U all fitness, you know, having 93 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: all these things. I think John ram is the living 94 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: embodiment of the screening side of TPI. For everybody that 95 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: doesn't know that, if they haven't heard the story, why 96 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: don't you talk, Dave a little bit about how you 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: met John, the things that you saw, and the way 98 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: that you have gone about working with him. Because he 99 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: has a very he's got a very unique golf swing. 100 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: He's got a very idiosyncratic golf swing. But talk me 101 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: through when you first met him and that whole process 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: of what you saw and what you told him. Yeah, 103 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: for sure. So you know I first met him through 104 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: the Spanish Golf Federation, you know, with what Greg and 105 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I do in our education worldwide, we used to do 106 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: some seminars for the Spanish Golf Federation, and they said, hey, 107 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: we have some players that we support in the US 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: to go to college. Would you, by chance, you know, 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: look at this guy, John Ram And I was like, oh, absolutely, 110 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm happy to take a look for you. He happened 111 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: to be at a college tournahiment in town with Tim 112 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: Michelson and his coach, and obviously, in my relationship with Phil, 113 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: I knew Tim, and you know, they brought him out 114 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: there and I started taking a look at him, and 115 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: I remember watching him hip balls and right away it 116 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is different. And you know, not 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: only was the swing different, but the persona, the way 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: he talked, and the way he did what he did, 119 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: and he just had a little bit of swagger. But 120 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: the questions he asked that was what was most powerful. 121 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: Like he wasn't like this reserved kid. He wanted to 122 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: know the answers. And he was struggling with a couple 123 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: of shots. Why can't I hit it high? Why do 124 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: I only draw it? Which you know, most people see 125 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: him now as all he's ever done is cut the ball, 126 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: but he actually drew the ball, and then you know, 127 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: these issues I was started to ask him about what's 128 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: going on with your top of the backswing? Why is 129 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: it the way it is? And then we screened him 130 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: and that's what we do at TPI. So you know, 131 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: our philosophy has always been is that if you don't 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: understand what they can do physically, then you're barking up 133 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: the wrong tree, because you need to understand how somebody 134 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: moves in order to get better. So we took him 135 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: in the gym and we took him through an assessment 136 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: screen and he probably failed out of the fourteen or 137 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: so tests we did. I think he failed ten of them, right, 138 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: And we started looking at some of the things he 139 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: was tight. We looked at the ankle doors reflection issue. 140 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: He told us about that, you know, when he was 141 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: a kid. And then we looked at the wrist issues 142 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: and a couple of little areas but nothing you could 143 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: mold around. And I think, really where John and I 144 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: hit it off. As I said to him, I go, 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get a lot of people don't 146 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: want to change your golf swing. Don't listen to them. 147 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: Don't do it. He said, your golf swing works, but 148 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: if you want, we'll teach you how to build a team. 149 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Around you and to really make it work and show 150 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: you what you're capable off, because it was just so 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: unique and I love the unique, right. You know, there's 152 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: a lot of swings that everybody's trying to have this 153 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: model and look like somebody else. John rom Is, John Ram, 154 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, Brooks Keptcas Brooks kept tiger Woods is tiger Woods. 155 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: And for the young people out there, you need to 156 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: realize that you need to be the best you can 157 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: be and know what your limits are, and what your 158 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: limitations are, you can always work on fixing them. But 159 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: when you go down this track of trying to swing 160 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: like somebody else and you can't physically do what they do, 161 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: that is a track that you'll never succeed at. And 162 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: so that was really how we came together and started 163 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: working together. He asked me to if he could come 164 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: out every quarter, and the Spanish Federation said yeah, that 165 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: would be great, and we just started to keep in 166 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: touch and he would send me swings from on the 167 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: road and during his college events, and I'd tell him 168 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: one or two things to do, and then you know, 169 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: you could see the escalation of how good he was 170 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: going to be. And when he turned professional. I remember 171 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: from his first event, he was sent me a couple 172 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: of swings. He wasn't hitting it very good, and I 173 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: told him to do one thing and I just got 174 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: a text back and said stripe show. And from then 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: it kind of started and we've we've had a great relationship. 176 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: We've built an exceptional team of TPI certified experts. You know, 177 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: I play a small role with that team, and basically 178 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: it's kind of managing is steering the ship the best 179 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: I can. And you know, Spencer Tatum his Fitness Professional 180 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: TPI Level three phenomenal in Phoenix, Scott's l Arizona. We 181 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: have Harry Sesse on the PJA Tour his Medical professional 182 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: Level three. And then we have Jimmy Yuan, a medical 183 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: professional at home so to do any recovery we need 184 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: at home. We have Brett McCabe who's a sports coach. 185 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: We have Nico Darees who's a you know, practice program guy. 186 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: So there's a big team around John, and that's what 187 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: makes it work is a great team. One of the 188 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: things I find interesting about John is Adam Hayes is 189 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: Caddy who I think Adam does an amazing job and 190 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: has been a huge piece of that puzzle, but Adam 191 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: says that you know, at tournaments, John doesn't like to 192 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: do a lot and you know, in talking to Pat Perez, 193 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: who I work with they both play at silver Leaf, 194 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: at the same course in Scott's Dale. He said, if 195 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: John is home on an off week, he is basically 196 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: NonStop at the golf course, NonStop practicing. But when he 197 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: gets to tournaments, Adam says, he doesn't really practice a 198 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: lot and doesn't really need to practice a lot. A 199 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: lot of guys are different. They go to tournaments, they 200 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: like to practice. DJ does a lot of work at tournaments. 201 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: When he's home, he tends to try and take some 202 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: time off. Brooks made that famous quote, you know a 203 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the only time you see me 204 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: practicing is when I'm at golf tournaments because when I'm 205 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: not at golf tournaments, I need the time off. Talk 206 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: me through what John does away from tournaments, which is 207 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: where people aren't seeing him, because Pat has been blown 208 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: away at how much he practices and how hard he practices. Yeah, 209 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: it's the work before the work, right, and basically it 210 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: allows him to just go play. So my role there 211 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: is really just trying to give him practice programming and 212 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: making it fun for him. So you know, in the 213 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: off weeks, I'll go to Arizona. We'll do some work together. 214 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: If there's any technical work that needs to be done, 215 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: and there's very little now. Most of it is, hey, 216 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: if we keep the body in the right place, but 217 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: the swing will do what it needs to do, and 218 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: that's great, that's what you want. But when he's home, 219 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean, a typical John rom day would be it 220 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: gets up and plays with the kids and has fun 221 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: with them and does that and then off to the gym, 222 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: and the gym will start with a pretty heavy workout. 223 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: He's not afraid to move some weight in the gym 224 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: and that that's about an hour long workout, and then 225 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: he'll go home and freshen up and eat, and then 226 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: he'll head to the golf course and now we're usually 227 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: ten o'clock and he'll start his practice and he'll start 228 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: with some games that we've created that make it fun 229 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: for him. And he's got different games that he can 230 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: app into and those are anywhere from putting to distance 231 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: control wedges to driving games that he can rotate in 232 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: and out of it. It's it's really kind of unique. 233 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: And then if somebody's there, he'll go play and he's 234 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: quite happy to go play golf, and it's like this 235 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: is his day. Like when he gets home, yeah, he's 236 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: going to have the off days where he doesn't he 237 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: shuts it down and does nothing. But you know, before 238 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: the Masters, we probably starting Tuesday of the week before, 239 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: it's a good eight hours a day of practice and play. 240 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: And then by the time we get to the Masters, 241 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: in fact, before that Friday we shut it down, doesn't 242 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: touch a club. Saturday, Sunday, travel day comes in and 243 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: then kind of slowly works into the week. But you know, 244 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: when I'm there at tournaments, it's really more for support 245 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: and part of the team. Anything he needs, if he 246 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: needs me to drive him somewhere, pickup food. That's what 247 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: we do, right, We do the things that you need 248 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: to do. So it's not always it's part of coaching. 249 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: It's you pick up and you trying to get your 250 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: athlete in the best position they can to perform, and 251 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: that's that's what we do. John has the ability to 252 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: shoot really really low scores and that was one of 253 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: the things that stood out to me when I first 254 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: started working with brooks Kepta. He was playing on the 255 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Challenge Tour. Right after you know, I started, you know, 256 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: doing some work with him, he started shooting really low 257 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: scores in tournament sixty two sixty three'. That was one 258 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: of the things that kind of got him. The year 259 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: that Phil won the the Open Championship at Royal at Carnousti, 260 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Brooks had qualified for that. He and Peter u Line 261 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: were playing in a practice round with Phil and Ricky 262 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: and Phil was asking me about him, and I was saying, listen, 263 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: He's shoots really really those scores. And that was something 264 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: that Phil really ld about Brooks is that he could 265 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: shoot low scores and tournaments. Obviously Phil has played a 266 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: huge mentoring role to John Romp, but I know that 267 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: something that Phil liked about John as well, that he 268 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: could show. I mean, I think Phil said the first 269 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: time he ever played with him, he shot sixty two. 270 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: Why are some guys like John Dave able to shoot 271 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: really really low scores where other players aren't able to 272 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: do it that consistently. Yeah, I mean, I think it's 273 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, obviously, ball striking is one thing, but it's 274 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: that there's no fear in John and I think that's 275 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: a huge aspect of players that when they feel it, 276 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: they can go there. They don't turn the force it 277 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: off when it's coming, the water is flowing, they're going. 278 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: And you know to your point, I mean the week 279 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: before in Arizona, I think he missed like an eight 280 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: foot put for twenty nine on the front nine, and 281 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: then the next day shot sixty in the wind like 282 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: it was nothing. And that's sixty was with a bogeye 283 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: or two I think, And so you know, he has 284 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: that ability to just put the pedal down and start going. 285 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: And the big thing you have to do with ball 286 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: strikers that have that capability, as you know, is of course, 287 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: like Augusta, which I'm probably the most proud of, is 288 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: the way he managed his game through that weather. Because 289 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: you were there with me. I mean, you saw what 290 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: it was like. I mean one day it was eighty five. 291 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: The next day we're going on to the golf course 292 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: it was forty two and raining and windy, and it 293 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: was totally different. You know, one day the balls carrying 294 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: three hundred yards in the air, the next day you 295 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: can't get the driver past two seventy. And these are 296 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: the best guys in the world. So managing your game 297 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: and what he did that week was you know, normally 298 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: when you get a guy that can go low, they 299 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: start firing at pins. But he did a great job 300 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: of choosing the lines. And this is where Adam comes 301 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: in as really the most valued person on the team 302 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: is a caddy of Adams. Adams stature is that he 303 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: is the glue that holds it all together. I don't 304 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: think they get enough credit. Caddies aren't guys that just 305 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: came out of the bar and carried the bag, and 306 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: you know that that was fifty years ago. These guys 307 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: are former college players. Many of them are great athletes. 308 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: They're smart, they're intelligent, they do the coursework, they do 309 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: their homework, they know the technology that's out there. They 310 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: have great relationships with the rest of the team. The 311 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: first person I crawl after a round of golf is 312 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: usually Adam, not John, because I want to know where 313 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: at what Adam saw and he's gold to me. I 314 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: mean that that guy deserves all the credit he should have. 315 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: So I kind of went off track there, but but 316 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like Augusta this particular time and 317 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: anytime you have to hit the ball in the right 318 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: place on the greens, and I think John just did 319 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: a little better job of that than probably Brooks, and 320 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: the last day I think Brooks did it better. The 321 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: first couple of days when we as fans and everyone 322 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: listening in his viewers, when they look at John's golf swing, 323 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: they see it look very different print than what a 324 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: lot of the modern golf swings. You know, John is 325 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: a very big He's a big person. I mean, he's 326 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: a big athlete. He's you know, probably over I mean 327 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: six one six two. He's not a thin leaf kind 328 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: of he's a big kid. But when we see his 329 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: golf swing, we see that super super short backswing. We 330 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: see that club and that very very late off. Can 331 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: you talk us through the physical reasons why we see 332 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: the golf club in those positions and how he makes 333 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: that work, Dave, with the limitations that he has. Yeah, 334 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: so you know, obviously I think John has talked about this. 335 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: So he had a club foot when he was child, 336 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: and they broke his foot and set it, so he 337 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: has no is it the right or the left the 338 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: right foot, it's the right foot. So he has no 339 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: dors reflection in his right ankle, which means it can't flex. 340 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: So as a result, his left leg is actually quite 341 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: a bit thicker. You don't see him in shorts, but 342 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: his left leg is stronger than his right leg. His 343 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: left foot is a little bigger than his right foot. 344 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: So that's one physical attribute. When you have an ankle 345 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: that can't move, that puts stress up the chain, so 346 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: it puts stress on the knee. So you've got to 347 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: make sure the knee structure is strong and puts stress 348 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: on the hip because they're doing the job that normals 349 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: and ankles usually do. They're like a shock absorber, right, 350 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: So you have to look at that in the whole 351 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: scheme of things, and that's what we do in my partner, 352 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: doctor Greg Rose, as you know, as an expert at 353 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: this and as the guy that puts this all together. 354 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: But basically, anytime it's not that John swing needed to 355 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: be short, I could lengthen it. People think he's got 356 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: tight hips and a tight thoracic spine. That's totally wrong. 357 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: He has great hip mobility and great thoracic spine mobility. 358 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: If I sat him down and we just went there, 359 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: he can get the club all the way back here. 360 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: The problem is is as you wind that spring up, 361 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: that puts more stress on the ankle, and if I 362 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: put too much stress on that ankle on a frame 363 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: like his, you could create some issues, and so we 364 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: don't go there. The other beautiful thing about john swing 365 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: is it's short, but it's very wide. DJ is wide up. 366 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: John is wide out. So you know, you can be 367 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: wide in many different ways, but John is wide out 368 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: in front of him. The other beautiful thing about his 369 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: swing is the club is always in front of him, 370 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: so it gets down in front of him very easily, 371 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: whereas players with the club behind them they almost have 372 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: to wait for that club to catch up. So the 373 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: efficiency of John's kinematics is phenomenal. The way he uses 374 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: the ground is phenomenal. And his stretch is what they 375 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: call X factor, is actually bigger than somebody that has 376 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: let's say ninety degrees of shoulder turn in a forty 377 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: five degree hip rotation. John has like seventy degrees of 378 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: shoulda turn but only twenty something degrees of hip rotation. 379 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: His X factor stretch on the down swing is actually 380 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: bigger than most players on the tour. So we have 381 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: this very efficient engine. We have a big frame that 382 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: can move, and because he has mass body mass, he's 383 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: a bigger than normal guy. He doesn't put as much 384 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: stress on his joints as somebody like a Will's alectoris 385 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: or even a Roy McElroy who's smaller and stature much lighter. 386 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: They have to use the ground so much more and 387 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: put a lot more energy through their frame in order 388 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: to achieve the same kind of speed as John. So 389 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: in many ways, he may be the new modern golfer. 390 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, we're back in the eighties. They used to say, hey, 391 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: a five foot ten and about one hundred and eighty 392 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: pounds was Jack Nicholas, And you know Greg Norman well 393 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: now six foot three and two hundred and forty pounds. 394 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty damn good. One of the things that we 395 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: were talking about when we were watching golf the golf 396 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: over the weekend. The rest of his game is very 397 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: underrated because obviously he can hit the golf ball miles 398 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: he hits the golf ball. I mean, his ball striking 399 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: is very very elite. But you said that his putting 400 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: and his short game are kind of the underrated parts 401 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: of it. What is it about his putting in a 402 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: short game that you think makes hit you know, a 403 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: strength of his game. It's not as flashy as the 404 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: ball striking, but it is definitely, you know, one of 405 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: the calling cards that he has. Yeah, I mean, obviously 406 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: the creative side of John rom coming from Spain and Boil. 407 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: A lot of those guys growing up with Sevy, they 408 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: love to play, right. You've seen this, We've seen it. 409 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: And John's creativity around the Green. I mean I've watched 410 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: him get in the bunker with a four iron and 411 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: hit bunker shots and lob shots and you know they 412 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: all channel Sevy. And then he's very close to Jose 413 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: mural La the Ball who showed him some things, and 414 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: then he's made it his own and he just tries things. 415 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: He never stops trying, and that just gives you that 416 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: confidence around the Green that you know, we kind of 417 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: learned from Phil. I mean being around Phil and watching Phil. 418 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: You know, Phil can hit shots nobody else can hit now. 419 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: Partly is because of the makeup of his wedges, but 420 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: also because Phil is an expert at reading the lie. 421 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody read the lie the grass around 422 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: the ball as good as Phil. Well. John's learned some 423 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: of this as well and made it his own, and 424 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: I just think his short game is astoundingly good. I mean, 425 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: some of the up and downs he got this week 426 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: from off the right side of the green on one, 427 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: there was a couple. Some of the up and downs 428 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: on thirteen from off the left were amazing with the 429 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: speed of the greens. So that's one thing. And now 430 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: his distance control wedges, we've worked a lot on trying 431 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: to flight those down a little bit take speed off, 432 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: which is a harder thing for John because of such 433 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: a short swing. You know, for someone like Justin Thomas, 434 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: they've got a slower, longer swing, they can take the 435 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: speed and the spin off. When you have a short 436 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: swing with quite a lot of set like John does, 437 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: it can be a little difficult to take speed off. 438 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: But we've done a great job of doing that, and 439 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: he's done a great job of doing that. And Nico 440 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: dar has created a game where we use eight irons 441 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: for our distance control wedges, so you actually have to 442 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: hit an eight iron eighty meters or ninety meters one 443 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: hundred meters and that teaches you to slow things down, 444 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: and then when we put the wedge in it works perfectly. 445 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: So he's done an amazing job of that. And then 446 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: I think the putting, yes, he has. He been a 447 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: streaky putting over time. If you looked at statistics, it 448 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: would say yes. But you've also got to remember that 449 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: he hits more greens and regulation than most people, so 450 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: he's putting more than most. So statistically, some of those 451 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: stats I don't even look at. We've done a really 452 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: good job of simplifying his putting, and he's got a 453 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 1: little trade in there, which I think a lot of 454 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: great people have. Brooks has this a little bit too, 455 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: in that whatever they do through impact, they kind of 456 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: do in their putting, so full swing can mirror the 457 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: putting stroke. John Ram tends to be a really good, little, shut, 458 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: little hold off face putter. Why do you think he's 459 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: so good on left to right putts? Well, every he 460 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: hits his left to right so he sees that line 461 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: really well. So anytime we get a left to right 462 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: put with loving it and then the hardest put for 463 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: creative guys is a straight put. But we've done a 464 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: really good job of simplifying putting, and he works on 465 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: it and he's getting better and better and more confident. 466 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: We had you on the podcast before talking about Phil. 467 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: You've been, you know, part of Phil's inner circle. For 468 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: a long time. Phill has played a huge role in 469 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: John's career, both on and off the golf course. I 470 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: remember when John turned pro, Phil was taking bets from 471 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: anybody that would listen on the PGA Tour saying, John Ram, 472 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, was either inside of a year or two years, 473 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: was going to be inside the top three in the world. 474 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: What do you think that impressed Phil so much about 475 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: John at such an early age. You know, I think 476 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: the first time I know he played golf with him 477 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: at Whisper Rock and Shut sixty two. But there was 478 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: another time in California when I took John to play 479 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: with Phil at the Bridges Golf Club, and I remember 480 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: after three holes, Phil coming up to me and go, 481 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: that's the best iron strike I've heard in a long time. 482 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: That kid's going to be, you know, world number one 483 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: one day. And you know there's a guy that knows 484 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: what a great iron strike sounds like. You know, John 485 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: tends to because of his shortest swaying and the way 486 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: the club moves from hip height to hip height on 487 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: both sides. I don't know if there's anybody that's got 488 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: the face matching the plane better than John Rock. There's 489 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: no open on a lot of rotation of the face. 490 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: So as a result, his strike is very good and 491 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: his control of the shot is extremely good. And I 492 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: think that's what Phil saw. He also sees that competitivism. 493 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: You know, Phil has a way where he can get 494 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: under John's skin. He he'll kind of flip the game 495 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: or change the rules on him, and you can see 496 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: John get rattled. And at a younger age, John would 497 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: get rattled by that. But now when it happens John, 498 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: he just focuses in and you'll see those eyes kind 499 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: of change to a different shape and all of a sudden, 500 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: it's game on. And it's kind of fun to watch 501 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: his driving is I mean, I think he's one of 502 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: the best drivers of the golf ball. You know, I've 503 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: seen in a long time he tends to fade the 504 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: golf ball. But you said that you've actually been trying 505 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: to get him to feel like he draws it a 506 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: little bit more. Yeah, So, you know, I mean I 507 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: knew him when he first came here. He could draw 508 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: the golf ball really well. And then just because of 509 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: some of the physicality and as he gained more strength 510 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: obviously on the PGA Tour, a lot of players that 511 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: have power, they like to actually fade the golf ball. 512 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: They feel like they can talk to it or control 513 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: it a little bit better. And I can understand why. 514 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: But John is an exceptional drawer of the golf ball. 515 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: And what I'm trying to do with him is really 516 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: get him dialed in to hitting and trusting a drawer patent, 517 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: because he really does have that capability of drawing it 518 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: at will, and he showed it a little bit here 519 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: at Augusta. I mean, if you looked at some of 520 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: the drawers that he hit, not only did he hit 521 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: it great on ten where you have to turn it 522 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: around the corner, his t shots on two were phenomenal. 523 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: He had some beautiful drawer irons. You know, he started 524 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: to get comfortable with a drawer, and to me, that's 525 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: going to hold the rest of the golf world accountable 526 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: because when he's got total command of both, That's That's 527 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: what I keep saying is I don't think we've seen 528 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: the a game yet of John Ram for four rounds, 529 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: and not that any golfer ever has it for four rounds. 530 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: But if he has it for two and a half, 531 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: the rest of the tours in trouble. So yeah, I mean, 532 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: so he's won the first major of the year. I mean, 533 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: obviously that's the second one. I think he's he's so 534 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: good with three majors left that he is good enough 535 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: to win all three of them this year. So let's 536 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: go through the courses, David and kind of talk about 537 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: how they fit John Ron. So the PGA is going 538 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: to Okkill, classic, old school US Open, East Coast, lots 539 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: of trees. How do you think Oak Hill sets up 540 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: for his game? You know what, It's going to be 541 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: hard for me to say that there's no golf course 542 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't set up for John's game, because there really isn't. 543 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he has command of the golf ball like 544 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: and you know these play as we say, hey, this 545 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: guy's built for this, this guy's built for that. You know, 546 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: it's all based on the conditions. It's all how things 547 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: are set up, you know as well as I do that. 548 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: You know, you can get a lucky break with the drawer. 549 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: In major's there's the good guys go to the top, 550 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: but then somebody will win it that you didn't expect, 551 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of times they might have got out 552 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: on the right side of weather or the right side 553 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: of the drawer, or they just had a few lucky bounces. 554 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: Really in many ways, you can look this week and 555 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: see a few lucky bounces that everybody had that you 556 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: were like, oh man, that could have been really in 557 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: trouble and it bounced out in the fallway. And you know, 558 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: so you need the golf guards on your side to 559 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: win major championships. I think every everybody that's won them 560 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: will say, wow, I hit this shot and I actually 561 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: or I hit a put that win in that I 562 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: didn't expect to make. But you just need to keep 563 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: giving yourself chances. And I think John whether it's you know, 564 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: the PJA Championship, the US Open, the British Open, wherever 565 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: it is, he can hit, his game will travel anywhere. 566 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm bullish on you know, if there 567 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: was one golfer in my books and nothing against Brooks 568 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: or anybody else, as you know, that could literally win 569 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: all four majors in one year right now, it would 570 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: be John rom because he's won the first one he's 571 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: won in Ireland before. Does he like Links style golf course? 572 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: There has always been this. I mean, John, he's getting better, 573 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: but at times he can run hot, which I kind 574 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: of like, but to win an open championship, you can 575 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: get stuck in some really really bad weather and a 576 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: lot of the conditions can be against you at an 577 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: Open championship, good weather or poor weather. What do you 578 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: think he does well in those situations? Yeah, I think 579 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, Open championships are different, as you know, because 580 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: they're very conditioned dependent, and just because of the nature 581 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: of where they are in the world, the weather can 582 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: become a big issue, more so in the North when 583 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: we're down this year in Liverpool, which is why Lake 584 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: last time when Tiger won it, there was dry as 585 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: a bone and guys were hitting two iron three hundred 586 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: and fifty yards. So again, it really doesn't It's hard 587 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: for me to get ahead of myself and saying, you 588 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: know which what it's going to affect John. What I 589 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: would say is he's starting to mature where he's being 590 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: able to handle whether good days or bad days. The 591 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: goal for any major championship is just get in position 592 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: to be there with nine holes to go and see 593 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: what happens. And you know, if you can do that, 594 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: and I think this is what all the great players 595 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: try and do, is they're jocking for position. You know, 596 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: I was a little shocked to see some of the 597 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: guys that the Master does not make it to the 598 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: weekend that we know are incredible players. And maybe they're 599 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: just trying a little bit too hard, maybe they're over preparing. 600 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think in some cases you 601 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: just got to be very, very patient. You're right. I mean, 602 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: have you talked to John and the team. Have they 603 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: talked to him about, um, the fieriness that he has, 604 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: because you know, that's a touchy one because you never 605 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: want a player dave to not be who they are. 606 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: But there was an example, you know, the I don't 607 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: think it was the players that Rory won. You know, 608 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: John and Adam on the second hole, you know, it 609 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: was in the you got out of position. Adam was 610 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: trying to get him to lay up. He wanted to 611 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: not lay up, hit it in the water, ended up 612 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: making a big number. But it's it's a balance, right 613 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: of letting On be who he is, but also is 614 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: he aware of that at times his temper can get 615 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I think it is. But I think 616 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: his temper actually, in many ways it's under control, and 617 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: I think it's not that he's mad at anybody but 618 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: himself because he knows that he's put in the work 619 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: and he knows he's better. I don't think he's getting 620 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: mad because somebody did something, you know. I think a 621 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: lot of elite athletes they may put the blame somewhere 622 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: else because they kind of built a teflon around them. 623 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: But John's a big boy. I mean, he takes accountability 624 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: for himself. I actually like the temper. I think it's great. 625 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: I think it refocuses him in many ways. I just 626 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: don't want it to affect anybody else's play, but I 627 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: don't think he does that. And in many ways, I 628 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: think it's what makes him so good is that he's 629 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: able to have a couple of bad holes. So you know, 630 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: if you don't think four putting the first hole upset 631 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: him or pissed him off, it did. And I'm pretty 632 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: sure that when he walked to that second tea, he 633 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: took a d breath and he was like, Okay, let's go, 634 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: let's get back to the game plan. And you know, 635 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: seventeen holes later, he had shot nine on the part. 636 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that is pretty amazing, right, And I said 637 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: to his dad walking off the green I'm like, it's 638 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: going to be a hell of a story when he 639 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: puts that green jacket on on Sunday, that he four 640 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: putted the first hole right, and his dad was just like, 641 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, it brought bad visions of savvy. I miss, 642 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: I miss, I miss I make. I mean, there's so 643 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: many cool things that happened, right, yeah, I mean, And 644 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: the one thing I liked about John is when they 645 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: asked him about that. I mean, obviously, if he had 646 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: four putted the first green and shot seventy eight, it's 647 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: a little different. Like you said, he four parted the 648 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: first screen and then was nine under from there on out. 649 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: But he said he didn't get mad because he didn't 650 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: hit bad potts. It's just that's how difficult and how 651 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: treacherous the Greens can be. At Augusta National, Yeah, you're right. 652 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a double boat you on every hole. 653 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: People think that, oh, thirteen fifteen, those are birdie holes. 654 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 1: I mean, we've been out there, we look at it. 655 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: We're like, there's a double body sitting on every hole. 656 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: You get yourself on the wrong side of one of 657 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: those pins, you hit a chip that's not too good, 658 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: I mean, on one you can chip it off the 659 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: green all day long on one if you're on the 660 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: wrong side of that guy did right, So you have 661 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: to manage your emotions there that golf course. You know, 662 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: I think it played amazing. I know the weather was 663 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: the way it was. I think the changes they made 664 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: on thirteen, you know, we're actually good because the guys 665 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: were able to hit driver. They weren't hitting three wood, 666 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: and if they did hit a good drive, they were 667 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: left with a little bit more club into the green 668 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: and decision to make. And I would love to see 669 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: the stats on thirteen or fifteen around Birdie's, but fifteen 670 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: was more of a layuphole this year, and it wasn't 671 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: an easy layuphole. We saw some guys spin it off 672 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: into the water with their wedges. But that's that whole, 673 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: like you know that, that's what it is, and that's 674 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 1: what makes that tournament so great. You said you didn't 675 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: want to get ahead of yourself. We've got Rory right 676 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: now with four majors. He's going for the Grand Slam. 677 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: You've got Brooks with four majors. You've got dj with two, 678 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: You've got Morkau with two, you got Scottie Scheffler with 679 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:14,479 Speaker 1: one and a players, how dominant ken John Romby? Because 680 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean you and I've talked about this, David, and 681 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: I've said this to you before. When I watch him play, 682 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: you could make an argument that I don't understand how 683 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't win every week. He is that good. So 684 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: with two majors, now, are we looking at somebody that 685 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: could maybe push into that rarefied you know, seven eight nine, 686 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: maybe even because that's what we thought Rory was going 687 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: to do. Right when Rory one Valhalla twenty fourteen, everybody 688 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: was like, this is the guy that could get to 689 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: double digits. It's kind of stalled. It's been almost a 690 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: decade since Rory's won his next one. But is John 691 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: that guy that could be a ten major winner? You 692 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: know it's it's yes, he is. I'm gonna say it. 693 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: He is. Absolutely he's that guy. You know, I'm not 694 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: gonna you know, yeah, he is. He's that good and 695 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: he needs to believe he's that good. And I tell 696 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 1: him a lot. I go, I hope you're thinking about 697 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: winning a ball this year because you're swinging as good 698 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: as I've ever seen you swing. But the thing is 699 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: is there are so many good players as you know, 700 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: and there, and you need breaks and you need things 701 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: to go your way. But John's twenty eight years old, 702 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: so you know, given the competitive nature of this game 703 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: and how hard they pushed these days, you know, you 704 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: could say that we've got another at least fifteen years 705 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: of great major winning golf there. And then you think 706 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: of Philip fifty one that won a major championship. There 707 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 1: are certain majors out there that I think you could 708 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: win into your fifties. And you know, as these guys 709 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: take care of their bodies better, as you know, they 710 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: put better, more functional food, which as you know, I'm 711 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: involved with in their bodies, and we look at the 712 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: longevity side of the medical space. Yeah, I do. I 713 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: think John could win ten majors. I think you told 714 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: a story last week we talked about this. It gives 715 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: a little unique insight into the mental part of things. 716 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: When he won the US Open at Tory Pines. You 717 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: said he carries something in his wallet that and it 718 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: was he used to get picked on as a kid. 719 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: Tell that story, because I think that is a that 720 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: is a really interesting way to kind of describe how 721 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: he thinks mentally. Well, the story from what I recollect 722 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: it goes is that John was in school when he 723 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: was young, and I think he was probably twelve years 724 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: old or somewhere. I can't remember the exact age, but 725 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: the teacher asked them to write down what they wanted 726 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: to be when they grew up, kind of as you 727 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: would as a teacher in school, and he wrote on 728 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: a piece of paper that he was going to be 729 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: the best player in the world, the number one player 730 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: in the world. One day and I think another one 731 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: of the kids in the room saw the note and 732 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: grabbed it and kind of made fun of him, and 733 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: John grabbed the note back and quietly put it back 734 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: in his pocket and carry that in his wallet. And 735 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: when he won the US Open and became the number 736 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: one player in the world, I think that was a 737 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: little bit of that. You know, those kids knew who 738 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: they were and they know who he is, and that 739 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: was just a little bit of that. You know, you 740 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: got to put it out there. And I'm a big 741 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: believer if you can't see it, you can't be it. 742 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: And any young player that's listening, or anybody whatever you 743 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: do in life, if you don't have a vision of 744 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: where you're going to go, you're not going to get there, 745 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: and you need to put it out there. And I 746 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: know John has put it out there with the green 747 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: jacket and visualized himself wearing it. And I think people 748 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: need to see the power of that because it sets 749 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: you on the right course and it defines the lines. 750 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: It puts you in the lane, so to speak, switching gears. 751 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: Just a little um. You know, some really sad news. 752 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: Will Salaturus just underwent his second back surgery and under 753 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: a year. You guys were part of you and you're 754 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: and Greg Rows were part of that journey. We were 755 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: talking last week about the ball rollback, about how everybody 756 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: thinks that you've got all this ball speed, you know 757 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: one ninety, the long drivers, you know, the frame that 758 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: guys have like brooks Kepka, like John ram have, like 759 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: DJ have. But then I think the USGA and the 760 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: RNA think that everybody's just going to hit it one 761 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: day with two hundred miles per hour balls. Being b competitive. 762 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: We saw what Bryson did Dave where he completely changed 763 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: his body, got obsessed with long drive. Yes he won 764 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: a major, but he's backed off that now. I think 765 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: it had an effect on his golf swing. Your will's 766 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: not the biggest kid. Do you think that the USGA 767 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: and the RNA are somewhat naive of the speeds that 768 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: modern golfers are going to be able to have and 769 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: compete with. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not in all 770 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: those meetings, right I'm I kind of stay in my lane. 771 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: But what I would say is this is that to me, 772 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: golf is in a really good place right now. I mean, 773 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: look look at what we just had. We had a 774 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: fifty two year old guy finished second to John Ron 775 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 1: at the tournament and Brooks and we had so many great, 776 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: great stories from last week, and nobody blew away the field, 777 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: you know, or you know, no one shot thirty under 778 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: part well and obviously yeah, exactly. So I look at 779 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: it and go, I understand where they're going. They're they're 780 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: trying to They're not about growing the game. I mean, 781 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: I think on the business card for the USDA, it's 782 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: about maintaining the game or holding the game, you know, 783 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: keeping it where where it was. But many of the 784 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: golf course architects back in the day, they wouldn't build 785 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: the courses that they would they would have changed the 786 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: golf courses. And by the way, if you went back 787 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: to Ben Hogan's era. He played different equipment than Sam 788 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: Sneed or or than Jack Nicholas, And every ten years 789 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: equipment's evolved and changed and changed and changed. And so 790 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: you know, I think what they're trying to do is 791 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: they're trying to say, well, the second shot. You know, 792 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: if these guys are bombing it as far as they are, 793 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: it's taking away the second shot, and we want to 794 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: bring back the second shot. Well, you know they're and 795 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: it's not for everybody, right, So the amateur golfer, it's 796 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: not going to affect. It's just going to affect the 797 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: very small percentage of the best players in the world, 798 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: which is probably point zero zero percent. And that would 799 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: be like imagine if you had a business and someone 800 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: came to you and said, we want you to take 801 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: this golf ball and roll it back and build new 802 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: golf balls, but you can't sell them. So you have 803 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: to make them to abide by our rules, but you're 804 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: not allowed to sell them because there's no market to 805 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,959 Speaker 1: sell them. That's kind of crazy. And then the other 806 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: thing is it still goes like this, right, everybody thinks that, oh, 807 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: everybody's going to come to this. Well, the short guy 808 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: is still the short guy and the long guy is 809 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: still the long guy. So to me, I don't get it. 810 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: I mean it. Actually, if I was a long guy 811 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: like John Rob I'd be like, yeah, roll the ball 812 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: back because I'm still going to have seven iron, and 813 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: now so and so is gonna have five or four iron. 814 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: So I don't see how it makes that big of 815 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: a difference. I think agronomy really is the question. I 816 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: think you can do that by a lot of different ways. 817 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: Now get to your question about ball speeds and the body. 818 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: You know, we've been in this business since the inception. 819 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: You know, TPI was founded in two thousand and three. 820 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: We've got more data on golfers injuries and body than anybody. 821 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: I have thirty thousand TPI certified guys in sixty four countries. 822 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: We educate in ten different languages. They do physical screens 823 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: of the data. I can see what's going on, and 824 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: when you look at it through our microscope, there is 825 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,479 Speaker 1: a ceiling at to what I think we can move 826 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: the golf club at. And you see the long drive guys, 827 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: they're not playing on the PGA Tour, right, they can bombit. 828 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: You're always going to get those guys do that and 829 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 1: it's fun, it's entertaining, but to be competitive. What we're seeing, 830 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: this is just through my own eyes, is that once 831 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: you get above one hundred and ninety miles an hour, 832 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: there's very few times you can use it on a 833 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: golf course. There it's just too much speed. You blow 834 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: it through fairways, you can't keep it. There's going to 835 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: be some holes that you benefit on, obviously, But what 836 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: we are seeing is that everybody's training for speed, and 837 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: what's happening is if you don't train right. And we're 838 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of young kids and a lot of 839 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: college kids break themselves because they're doing things that their 840 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: body can't handle. And that kind of goes into building 841 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: the right body. So when you look at Brooks and 842 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: you look at Dustin and you look at John, they 843 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: have a team around on them. They've built their strength. 844 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: And this even goes back to Rory. I mean, I 845 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: remember when Rory was seventeen eighteen when he came to 846 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: TPI with Padrick Harrington and he was complaining of lot 847 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: of back paint, and you know, he put a tremendous 848 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: amount of talk. He bombed it back then, and you 849 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: know one of our things with him is you need 850 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: to get stronger, and he went and hired Stephen, a 851 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: guy from England who got him stronger and built a body. 852 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: And Rory's one of the first guys in the gym 853 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: at every tournament and he is seriously strong, but he's 854 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: built a body that can handle that speed. If you 855 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: don't do it right, you will break. And I think 856 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: we're starting to see that with the Bryson. I think 857 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: these young kids that are coming out with massive speed, 858 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't see them dominating every week, and I think 859 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: there's about a ceiling and I think we're right there. 860 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: I fight six is about where you can play professional 861 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: golf at now maybe wrong. We might have you know, 862 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: this young kids sergeant who can get one ninety five speed. 863 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: Maybe he'll come out. But you didn't dominate Augusta, so 864 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll we'll see. But I think they're 865 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: I know why they're doing it. I just think they 866 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 1: need to look at the whole equation. The human body 867 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: can only handle so much. And I think we're there. 868 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: And if you really want to take the speeds down, 869 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: there's easier ways to do it. I mean, if we 870 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: limit the tea height to two inches. You can't tee 871 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: it up like this, launch it at this and spin 872 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,760 Speaker 1: it at this if every if the guys have speed 873 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: and they have a low T it'll just spin. So 874 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's so many other ways to 875 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: do it. Lastly, Dave, talk about TPI for everyone that's listening, Um, 876 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: what do you think are some things that our listeners 877 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: can go to the my TPI website and take a 878 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: look at. And what's in the future for what you 879 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: guys are doing? Yeah, I mean, you know for TPI, 880 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we built a community of experts, so 881 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, we have golf professionals, medical, if you're injured, fitness, 882 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: if you want to get stronger, then understand the golf swing, 883 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: and they understand how to physically assess you. And to me, 884 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: the most important thing would be I'll find an expert 885 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: part on the my TPI website. Go in there punching 886 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: your zip code, find somebody that's TPI certified beating you 887 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: and just ask them to do a physical screen. Just 888 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 1: know what you can do, because if you understand how 889 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: you move, then you'll know how to get better. And 890 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 1: I think that is that is the first and the 891 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 1: best way to start. We have a lot of great 892 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: articles on there and a lot of great exercises and 893 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 1: swing drills and stuff as well, but that would be 894 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: the starting point right there. In terms of US, I mean, 895 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: we're continuing to educate and push the boundaries where we're 896 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: rebuilding out the facility right now and adding some new 897 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,240 Speaker 1: technology so we can study some things. We've actually branched 898 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: out into baseball. We have a product called on base 899 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: U and we have something called racket Fit where we've 900 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: taken what we know at golf into baseball and into 901 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: other sports and we've learned from those other sports. Those 902 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: are rotary sports. So some of the reasons we have 903 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: some of the MLB players come in because we want 904 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: to know how they use the ground and how they 905 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 1: create rotation and so on, and how they're so strong. 906 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: So you learn from going out sign the ropes a 907 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: little bit and that's what we'll continue to do. Well. Um, 908 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: it was a fun day for us. We we pretty 909 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: much spent the whole day together. On Sunday, we we 910 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: watched we flew back together, and UM, it's always special 911 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: when you know, as a coach, when you when you 912 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: spend so much time with the players like you do, 913 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: and when you have an opportunity to work with a 914 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: player like John and see that kind of from start 915 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: to finish. To to watch a player win a Green 916 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: jacket when you were watching them in college is pretty 917 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: special and watching him as a junior. So hats off 918 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: to you. Congrats and you guys at TPI. You guys 919 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,359 Speaker 1: are the best in the world at what you do, 920 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: so uh, continued success there as well. Thanks buddy. I 921 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: really appreciate you and hopefully I'll be celebrating with you 922 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: one of these days on the other side of the fence, 923 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 1: so I hope. So too good to talk to you, 924 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: all right, body, take careful. So that was Dave Phillips 925 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,280 Speaker 1: and really cool to get an opportunity to talk to him, 926 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,880 Speaker 1: especially coming off of UM. I think a pretty historic 927 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: win for gen Rom for a number of reasons. Obviously 928 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 1: yet another Spaniard to lift the green jacket. I thought 929 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: it was amazing to see Jose Mariel Thabel there um 930 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: greet him. He joins a pretty interesting fraternity, but two 931 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,320 Speaker 1: majors now and as Dave said, he thinks he can 932 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: have a legit chance to win the Grand Slam. I 933 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 1: sure us. I'll think he has a legit chance to 934 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: win it and pretty special week. It was a special 935 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 1: week for me as well. My dad was there so anytime, 936 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 1: Butchi is at at the Masters. It's fun. He doesn't 937 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: go that often anymore, so I got to spend a 938 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 1: lot of time with him. It was good to see 939 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: everybody on tour interact with him because he just doesn't 940 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 1: for someone that was a part of the tour for 941 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 1: so long, to see him back at a tournament doing television. 942 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 1: I had three guys in the field, so that was special, 943 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: a little bit ter sweet for me this week. UM 944 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: still processing everything that happened. I mean Brooks Kepko, who 945 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: I work with, Brooks had a hell of a chance 946 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, I mean he's devastated. I'm devastated. The 947 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: team is. We're pretty beat up right now. But I 948 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,879 Speaker 1: think everybody knows kind of the story of everything that 949 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 1: Brooks has been going through if you've watched the Full 950 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: Swing documentary. I don't think he thought he'd have a 951 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: chance to win another major this this quick. He played 952 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: some fantastic golf. There's three majors left. I think he's 953 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: going to play a role and as I said to 954 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: him when he was finished, incredibly proud of him the 955 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,760 Speaker 1: way he played. He didn't get it done. He's an alpha. 956 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: I know he's upset, he's beating himself up, but I 957 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: think you saw that when Brooks is healthy, he's still 958 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 1: one of the best players in the world. And a 959 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,359 Speaker 1: quick comment about the PGA Tour live drama. I think 960 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: last week there was a lot of narrative going into 961 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: last week that there was going to be beef and drama. 962 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: At the live event in Orlando. A couple of reporters 963 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: asked the players that were going to be playing in 964 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 1: Augusta how they thought they'd be received. They said they 965 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be fine. They thought a 966 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: lot of it was coming from the media. The media 967 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,919 Speaker 1: pushed back and said it was real after last week. 968 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: If you're pushing that there is a rift on tour, 969 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,359 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour and the live guys, then you're 970 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: doing that for your own reasons and for your own agenda, 971 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: because that is one not true. It was great to 972 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: see everybody last week. I had a number of different 973 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,239 Speaker 1: players walk significant different distances across the range to come 974 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: give me a hug, to congratulate me. On Brooks in 975 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: the week before asked me how I'm doing, how my 976 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: family's doing. You know, I had about a thirty minute 977 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: conversation with Rory McElroy and caught up with Rory, had 978 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: a pretty good conversation with Billy Horshell. I hadn't seen 979 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: Billy in a while. But you know, the fabric of 980 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,359 Speaker 1: the PGA tour um, even the guys that left Live. 981 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the things I find 982 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: interesting is the guys that left Live know what the 983 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: PJA tour ecosystems like because they lived it. They played it, 984 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: They were on the PGA Tour Brooks, DJ, Phil Bryson, 985 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Reid, they played the PGA Tour their entire career. 986 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: They know what the PGA Tour is about. I think 987 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people that have been making comments about 988 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: Live and somewhat anti live, they're not part of the 989 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: live ecosystem. They're not They don't go to tournaments, and 990 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,359 Speaker 1: they don't know what they're talking about. So I didn't 991 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: notice any beef. It was great to see a bunch 992 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: of people that I consider friends. I was happy to 993 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: see a bunch of the caddies um the caddies for me. 994 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,399 Speaker 1: Are you know the caddies on the PGA too, or 995 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,279 Speaker 1: the Live tour or wherever you're playing. The caddies make 996 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: the fabric of the tour. I'm there, the glue that 997 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: holds this whole thing together. So I got to see 998 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of caddy Shay who caddies for Victor Hovlin Um, 999 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: Joe Scavron who used to caddy for Ricky who's now 1000 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: caddying for Tom kim Um. It was great to see 1001 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,399 Speaker 1: a bunch of these guys. And you know, I think 1002 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,480 Speaker 1: it was I thought the last week was good. If 1003 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna push the narrative that lives an exhibition and 1004 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: nobody plays and they're all gonna get Christian Majors, brooks Kepta, 1005 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,879 Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson finished second, Patrick Reids finishes, I mean they're 1006 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,240 Speaker 1: right there. I mean three of the top four guys, 1007 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: we're lived guys. So m I think last week was 1008 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,399 Speaker 1: a big week. But to me, the big winners last 1009 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: week were the fans, the fans of golf, the fans 1010 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: of major championship golf. You get to see the best 1011 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: players in the world, and hopefully we continue to get 1012 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 1: to see the best players in the world. At the 1013 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: major Championships. And um, I think last week went a 1014 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 1: long way to taking a little bit of the fire 1015 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: out of this inferno that has been building between Live 1016 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: and the PGA Tour. And like I said, I thought 1017 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: golf was a winner last week, and I thought the 1018 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,359 Speaker 1: fans were a winner last week. Son of a Butch 1019 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: comes to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.