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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 1: the podcast about all the rebels and weirdos and revolutionaries

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Speaker 1: who fought against all the worship that the world has

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Speaker 1: to offer. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me

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Speaker 1: today is Sharine, who is a director and artist, a poet,

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Speaker 1: a general jack of all trades, and as the co

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Speaker 1: host of the podcast Ethnically Ambiguous. How are you doing today, Shrine?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing Hi, Sharine. I have a podcast that I've

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Speaker 1: done so many of these, and every intro I've ever

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Speaker 1: done is so awkward. I'm Sharin. That's actually something that

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate about podcasts. It makes me feel like, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay. Yeah, that's why I to reassure, to

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Speaker 1: reassure everybody. But if I can do what you could do,

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Speaker 1: it probably better. Um. We've also got our producers, Sophie

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Speaker 1: listening on like the voice of God or maybe like

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Speaker 1: one of the three norns weaving the fate of the

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Speaker 1: rest of us mortals. How are you doing to Sophie,

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Speaker 1: that's my favorite intro you've done. I'm great, you know,

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Speaker 1: surviving kind of exited for this script. It's a good one. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Thanks cutting some threads. Um, that is a great image,

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Speaker 1: and Sophie is like that. I guess that was great. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I figured today we should do something like really lighthearted,

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Speaker 1: easy breezy and talk about Nazism. I figure no one ever,

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Speaker 1: no one ever talks about these guys, right, Like, when

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Speaker 1: was the last time anyone talked about Nazis? So we

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Speaker 1: figured we should talk about But more specifically, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about how during the early twentieth century there

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Speaker 1: was this like queer accepting culture that was blooming all

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Speaker 1: across Europe, which the Nazis tried to crush. But it

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Speaker 1: turns out the it didn't it didn't actually work out

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Speaker 1: that way in the end, that the Nazis actually spoil

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Speaker 1: our alert get crushed. Um, And they took out a

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Speaker 1: lot of queer people along the way, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of queer people fucked up the Nazis too. So that's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about today. I like that. I

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Speaker 1: like a good like I don't know, revenge, Uh yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: this is good. I think you might like some of

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Speaker 1: this story. Then obviously not all of this story, unfortunately. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you knew this, but there's

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Speaker 1: actually not one way to be to be gay. Um,

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Speaker 1: a very different yeah. No, I was shocked to learn

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Speaker 1: Thank you for laughing so much. Uh yeah, the like,

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Speaker 1: every culture has had different conceptions of homosexuality and transnis

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Speaker 1: and all of these different things, and like to be

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Speaker 1: to be clear, like, guys have been fucking guys since

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Speaker 1: the beginning of time, girls have been sucking girls, and

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Speaker 1: wherever there's been gender, there's been people transgressing gender roles.

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Speaker 1: But since Western civilization is like trying it, so I

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Speaker 1: almost feel like guilty focusing on this particular conception of

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Speaker 1: of gayness and how we developed to our current Western

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Speaker 1: conception of gayness. But since Western civilization is trying its

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Speaker 1: entire world, I feel like it's worth knowing it's history

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Speaker 1: of queerness, or at least some of it. And kind

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Speaker 1: of oddly, a lot of the history we have about

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Speaker 1: gayness in our culture doesn't come from like the ladies

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Speaker 1: So I want to start with this Book of Monsters. Hell, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: lever Month Storum, this is this, it's the It's a

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Speaker 1: like cyclopses and centaurs and ship in it. But it's

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Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly exactly. It's a monster lay list that

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Speaker 1: which makes it perfect actually, because the very first monster

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Speaker 1: a trans woman um or possibly an intersex person. Those

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Speaker 1: concepts were very blurry all throughout history, and so to

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Speaker 1: quote liber Month Storem from a translation by Andy Orchard, indeed,

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Speaker 1: passing around these manuals of recommended penance for sinners based

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Speaker 1: battle and baden or badden. There's a lot of arguments.

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Speaker 1: you've got two important pieces of legislation. Who's bigotry has

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Speaker 1: fire from life into death Jesus. Yeah. Um, So they

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Speaker 1: But we'll get to that. So the Nazis didn't invent

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Speaker 1: Germany from fucking eighteen seventy one until do you want

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Speaker 1: to guess what decade they got rid of paragraph eighteen

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Speaker 1: more common in like Southwest Asia and northern Africa, which

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00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: was this um and and gay men from the West

426
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: would go visit Southwest Asia to go be a bit

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00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: more free for a while. And it was this conception

428
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: that sexuality and gender weren't things that you are, but

429
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: instead there are things that you do interesting and and

430
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: all of those are going to come up through the

431
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: different characters that we're going to get to. It's part

432
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: of what I'm trying to lay the scene. It's very interesting. Um,

433
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: but you know what else is wholesome besides sexuality is

434
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 1: I've decided that the show will only be sponsored by

435
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: incredibly wholesome things, the most wholesome things we can think of.

436
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: And so today, so we can we just be sponsored

437
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: by tap water, like the concept of tap water. I mean,

438
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: but what about the potatoes. That's true, I do really

439
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: like potatoes. Okay, tap water and potatoes two things that

440
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: are very I mean, that seems fair. We do need

441
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 1: more than one sponsor. I'm okay with that. Protect the potato, yeah, okay,

442
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: So we're sponsored by those things and then maybe these

443
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: other things and we'll be right back. Okay, and we

444
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: are back and uh, of all of these different, you know,

445
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: types of things that are happening, it seems like Hirshfeld

446
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: and the Institute had the longest and most widespread impact

447
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: on the Western world, and the Nazis didn't like that

448
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: at all. It turns out, do you know that famous

449
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: photo of Nazis burning books are like, if you imagine

450
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: Nazis burning books, ye, the image popped in my head.

451
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um so, and everyone's like, oh, look, the

452
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: Nazis are bad. They burned books. And what usually goes

453
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: on said is that the books they were burning was

454
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: the research library of the Institute of Sexual Research, and

455
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: these photos, Wow, why don't they mention that they should?

456
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: They should at least mention that the caption somewhere what

457
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: the huge pile of books on fire? Yeah, than just

458
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: Nazis naziing Yeah, well, I mean definitely gonna help that

459
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: they were Jewish either, right, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Honestly, I

460
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: think the reason it isn't mentioned is because I think

461
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: that most of polite Western society was secretly fucking glad

462
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: that all those fucking books got burned. And like, you know,

463
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: we're erased from history in a lot of different ways,

464
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: and the Nazis liked to racing us more actively than

465
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: the sort of like liberal democracies, but they like try

466
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: and fucking too Um, it's dark but true and unfortunately, Yeah,

467
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: on May sixty three, the Nazis showed up and they

468
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: burned like two books, destroying endless amounts of research into homosexuality,

469
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: trans sexuality, cross dressing, everything. Joseph Goebels, I don't pronounced

470
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: Gobel's name, which I should, because he's like one of

471
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: the famous people in history. Um, he's the chief propagandist

472
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: of the Nazis, and he gives a speech to forty

473
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: people during this fucking book burning. And Dora Richter, the

474
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: first trans woman to undergo gender confirmation surgery, probably was

475
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: killed in this attack. Um, it's possible that she was

476
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: arrested and died in prison shortly after. There are a

477
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: couple rumors that people that don't have as much evidence

478
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: to back them up that she got out, and I

479
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: like to think she got out, but she probably didn't. Um. Meanwhile,

480
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Magnus hirsch Felt he sees the writing on the wall,

481
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: like before all this happens, and so he's off on

482
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: a world tour basically trying to figure out where the

483
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: funk to get his gay Jewish asked too, because he's like,

484
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: this is not going to fucking work. I can't stay

485
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: where there's Nazis. But he didn't destroy his own wreck

486
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: birds and lists of names before he left. Oh so

487
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: the Nazis got those, and those are like the one

488
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: things they didn't burn was the list of like all

489
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: the fucking gay people in Germany. Um not clearly, not

490
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: all of them, you know. But but that's a ship.

491
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what happen his xt. Yeah,

492
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, So the Nazis get those, they use

493
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: them in a campaign to eradicate the homosexual blight. Because

494
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: the Nazis minus the gay Nazis I'll talk about in

495
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: a second, um or later, they turned and see homosexuality

496
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: is like something inherent and natural. They saw it as

497
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: a plague that needed to be destroyed. Let it infest

498
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: everything or whatever. Um So Magnus Hirschfeld. He never comes

499
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: back to Germany. He goes into exile in France, and

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00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: he dies of a heart attack on his sixty seven

501
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: birthday on May. Adolf Brand the anarchist who path over

502
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: corpses guys. He was super brave before the Nazis, and

503
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: then when the Nazis come over, he retires from active

504
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: a marries a woman to try and like play straight,

505
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: and then he just like shut the funk up and

506
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: tried to survive the war. Uh. And he didn't because

507
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: an Allied bomb fell on his house in Berlin. Died

508
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: at the age of seventy. The Nazis then expanded paragraph one,

509
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: like substantially. It used to be a gay men can't funk,

510
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: but then it became gay men can't try to excite

511
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: the sexuality of other men. And so that's where the

512
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: plague right like mentality comes in. Like yeah, you know,

513
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: like if I get if this gig even comes near me,

514
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, maybe I'll Yeah, I keep thinking about dick. Yeah,

515
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: many people do. It's a natural thought. Okay. So, like

516
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: something like a hundred thousand men who are accused of

517
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: homosexuality are arrested, and a lot of them are like

518
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: this is often like a it's a really easy way

519
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: to blackmail people. It's very similar to like witch hunting.

520
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, like you're mad at some one, just say

521
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: he came onto you and you can get someone arrested. Um,

522
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: So a hundred thousand men are arrested, half of those

523
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: did prison time, ten thousand of them or so. Everyone

524
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: argues about numbers. Uh, were sent to concentration camps, where

525
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: they were forced to wear the inverted pink triangle badges,

526
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: which is where the pink triangles a symbol comes from. UM.

527
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: In the camps, at least by everything I read, they

528
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: were treated socially like kind of the worst. It was

529
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: like them and Jews at the bottom of everything. And

530
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: then gay Jews had to wear like an inverted it

531
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: was both a pink triangle and a yellow star of

532
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: David over top of each other. And they had it

533
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: the worst. I read really gnarly accounts of what they suffered,

534
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to tell you about it. Thank

535
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: you for that. Thank you so much. My imagination is enough. Yeah,

536
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: and about them survive, so sixty of them die and

537
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: there's no law on the books against lesbianism. But the

538
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: Nazis didn't like gay women any better, and so what

539
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: they did is they basically found excuse has to send

540
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: as many of them as possible to the camps uh

541
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: non Aryan ones in particular, and then arian ones would

542
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: get forced to have babies, which again we will leave

543
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: there um. And those who resisted were arrested on imaginary charges,

544
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: like two women were arrested for disrupting their workplace by

545
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: sleeping with women from work. Um. Interesting. So Nazis didn't

546
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: like gay people, but fortunately for history, a lot of

547
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: gay people didn't like Nazis either, and they decided to

548
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: do something about it, which brings us to one of

549
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: the best places in LGBT history, Amsterdam. I fucking love Amsterdam.

550
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: I still got to go there. I want to go there.

551
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Let's go one of my top places I want to visit.

552
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I remember, like sitting on a triangle memorial

553
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: is like a dock into one of the canals. It's

554
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: like a triangle memorial. When I was like a baby,

555
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: I barely even knew I was queer, like travel in squatters,

556
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: staying there, Um, it must have been powerful, I can imagine. Yeah. Okay,

557
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: So one of the most iconic acts of gay resistance

558
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: to the Nazis is in Amsterdam after the occupation. It's

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00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: a story that weaves together some of like my favorite

560
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: people I've learned run across in history, at least judging

561
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: by their actions. I actually don't know much about them

562
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: as people, but you know, like they did fucking cool ship.

563
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: And we're gonna start with Willem Arandeis. He was born

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00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: in Amsterdam into a theater family. His parents were costume designers.

565
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Originally they support he's an artist, right and they support

566
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: him in his art, of his writing and painting. But

567
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: then he came out when he was seventeen is gay,

568
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: and they kicked him out of the house. Um, homosexuality

569
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: was legal in the Netherlands. But um, you know, no

570
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: one liked it. I mean lots of people liked it,

571
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: but you know, society like to frown upon it. So

572
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: he develops his art. He starts taking on commercial art jobs.

573
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: He paints ads, stamps, that kind of ship. He did

574
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: some like tapestries and coats of arms for some cities,

575
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: at least one of which is still around. He did

576
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: a mural for the Rotterdam town hall. And you can

577
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: look up his art. Actually it's really good. Um, anyone

578
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: listening you should look it up because well, because I

579
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: think you should get tattoos of it because the rules.

580
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: But um, it's like more designery than fine art, and

581
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: which I think is cool and so. And some of

582
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: his art is on display it at the met and

583
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: at the reichs Museum in Amsterdam. But he wasn't really

584
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: well known at the time to be real. This is

585
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: he's a commercial artist, not something like yeah, I mean

586
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: everyone every most not every most artists are not really

587
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: well known or famous until after they pass. Yeah, totally.

588
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: And if you want to be a famous artist, UM,

589
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: you should do stuff like Willem goes on to do.

590
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: That's my recommendation to Okay. So he spends years of

591
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: his life partnered with a man named Jan Tison, and

592
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: he supports the two of them barely on his art

593
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: and from on the royalties. From a biography he writes

594
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: about a painter named Matthias Marris who had fought in

595
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: the Paris Commune. UM. But Willem is dirt poor, largely unknown.

596
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: He shifts to novels in five and he publishes novels

597
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: with the names like The Owl House, The Tragedy of

598
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: the Dream, and then this is my favorite because it's

599
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: the most Dutch gay title I've ever heard in my

600
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: life and I love it. In the blossoming Winter radish,

601
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, perfect, no no notes, you know, I

602
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: want to read it. Um. And the Nazis take over

603
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty and they start off kind of trying

604
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: to be nice to some of the Dutch people. Clearly

605
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: not all of the Dutch people, but homosexuality have been

606
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: legal in the Netherlands for more than a century, and

607
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: so William is one of the first people to go

608
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: off and join the Dutch resistance, which was actually more

609
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: non violent in character than elsewhere in Europe, but they

610
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: weren't slouchers. By the autumn of ninety four, the resistance

611
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: was hiding or had hidden three hundred thousand people, and

612
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: somewhere between sixty to two hundred thousand people were doing

613
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: that hiding, and over a million people were actively letting

614
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: all of that happen just by like knowing their neighbor

615
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: is hiding somebody and not fucking saying anything about it. Yeah,

616
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: like allies. Yeah, Yeah, that's a big number. I wasn't

617
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: expecting to hi have a number where that's pretty incredible. Yeah,

618
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: and like gives me a little bit of hope whenever

619
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: I want to drag hope out of this kind of thing. Oh,

620
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: that's the point of this podcast, right, Um, there's over

621
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: a thousand, one hundred separate resistance newspapers which reach a

622
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: readership of over a hundred thousand people during the occupation.

623
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: But but William's partner can't handle all the heat in Amsterdam,

624
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: and he he fox off and moves back to a

625
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: small small town somewhere else, and Willem stays in Amsterdam

626
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: and he keeps going. In two, he starts an underground

627
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: newspaper called brendars be Brief, which means letter of insignia.

628
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: In three, emerges with another paper called I'm just gonna

629
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: say the English translations called The Free Artist, which was

630
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: edited by a man named Garrett von der Veen, who's

631
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: another one of today's here is actually but I believe

632
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: tragically heterosexual. No one's perfect exactly exactly, and he doesn't

633
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: get as much screen time in the story. So I

634
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: want to tell you a little bit about our man Garrett,

635
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: he who's I could be mispronouncing his name. I'm actually

636
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm actually sorry, Dutch listeners, but I can pronounce the

637
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: name Schward, which is gonna come a little later anyway. Okay,

638
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: So he starts off his career as a mechanical engineer,

639
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: but he really just wants to be a sculptor. And

640
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: then one day before the Nazi invasion and ship, he's

641
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: standing on the shore when a fully loaded oil tanker

642
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: catches fire, so he the crew flees and gets away,

643
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: but he dives into the water, swims out to the ship,

644
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: extinguishes the fire in the engine room. Whoa, I know. Yeah,

645
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: he's just like this guy on the shore. He's like, oh,

646
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: ship a fire, I'm gonna go put it out. It's

647
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: like it's like Keanu Reeves helping what's her face when

648
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: someone's car breaks down and helps that person and then

649
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: but no one had, no one has evidence of this,

650
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: and that just my guy just did it. Yeah, need

651
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: to paparazzi to capture it. Yeah, totally totally a good person. Yeah,

652
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: and so those so the sailors, Um, they're so grateful

653
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: that they buy him a ticket to Amsterdam and pay

654
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: for a year's tuition for him to go to art

655
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: school or like an allowance for him to become a sculptor,

656
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: because that's what he wants to do, is he wants

657
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: to go become a sculptor. So he does. He becomes

658
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: a sculptor because he's performed this heroic deed and and

659
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: his ship is really good, like looking at photos of

660
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: and stuff, a lot of it's still around. But after

661
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: the invasion, Um and I believe he's of Aaryan ancestry,

662
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. And they asked him to sign

663
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: a paper saying sign this paper to say you are

664
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: of Aaryan ancestry, and he's like, no, funk, no, I'm

665
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: not going to do that, um, because he's a good person.

666
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: So instead he goes underground. He starts a newspaper, and

667
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: most importantly to our story, he starts forging I das

668
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: for for Jews and other people who are hiding from

669
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: the Nazis. So William joins vonder vonder Vine's crew and

670
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: it's made up of like art and dancers and poets

671
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: and ship a lot of them are openly gay, and

672
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: they just start cranking out fake I d s just

673
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: all over the place. Uh. They made more than eighty

674
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: thousand fake I d s. And because everyone over the

675
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: age of fifteen was required by the Nazis to carry

676
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: an I D and Jewish names were like Jewish ones

677
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: were marked with a big J on them. The counterfeiters

678
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: called their services Personal's Proof Central, and they sold the

679
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: ideas but at a sliding scale. So basically, if you're rich,

680
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: you pay a lot of money, and then if you're poor,

681
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: you would pay no money. I love that. Yeah, yeah,

682
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: how they financed the whole thing, you know, and I

683
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: to the world should be to be honest. But yeah,

684
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: totally okay. And so then there's a problem. They're making

685
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: all these ideas, but there there's records on everyone being

686
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: stored in a storehouse, so curious Nazis and collaborators, which

687
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: I guess you could just call them Nazis, honestly, that's

688
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: the word for Nazi collaborator, I think. So they just

689
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: they just go and go and double check the ideas

690
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: against the records stored in the warehouse and then bust

691
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: people later. And so but the Dutch resistance had people everywhere,

692
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: including in these records keeping storehouses or whatever, and so

693
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: they're working as fast as they can to falsify documents.

694
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: I think they're basically saying, like, okay, we did this,

695
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: following I D change the records, and they're like okay,

696
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: and they go and they change the records, but it's

697
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: not fast enough. And by the start of they all

698
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: get this sense that like really bad shit is coming

699
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: and so they need to step this up. Um, so

700
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: they come up with a plan and okay, So the

701
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: problem is that there's a bunch of records, right, and

702
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: the records are stored in a building. Right. But but

703
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: buildings are notoriously vulnerable to explosions and like the game

704
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: of paper rock scissors, you know, um dynamite or the

705
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: kryptonite of buildings. One might say, I like when Sophie

706
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: laughs at my scripted jokes. Hey, a lot from Sophie

707
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: is so affirming. I agree it. It's funny and writing.

708
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: And when he said it, thanks, what can I say? So? Okay, So,

709
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: so a lot of this crew are Pacifists. Um, not

710
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: all of them, We'll get to that later, but some

711
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: of them were so. Not only so they devise a

712
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 1: plan to not only destroy hundreds of thousands of Nazi

713
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: records and and blow up a building, but to do

714
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: it without killing or seriously injuring anyone. Um, which is

715
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: my argument is that these people invented the heist movie. Yeah, yeah,

716
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: that's funny, to be honest. To be honest, it takes

717
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: a lot for me to laugh out loud, Like when

718
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm watching comedy or whatever, I'm usually just silent and

719
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: I feel like a piece of ship. But I find

720
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: thinks funny. I just don't react it's fine. It's fine,

721
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: I say, you thought that was funny. So it's this

722
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: is not a small plot. In the end, fifteen people

723
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: get arrested for it, and there's so many more people

724
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: involved than that. Um. But to tell it like a

725
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: heist movie, I'm to start with the action on march

726
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: Arndeus and the whole crew of of other people. They

727
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: dress up as like army captains and ship um police captains. Actually,

728
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: I think they march over to the record storehouse and

729
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: they're like hey, they say to the guards, because the

730
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: guards are on you know, they're like, something's up. We're

731
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna be really careful. And so they show up and

732
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we we think that there's people trying

733
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: to blow up this building, so we're here to sweep

734
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: the building and check for explosives. Um. Well, I love this.

735
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: I love this. Where's this movie? And so the guards

736
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: believe them and let them in. Uh. And then medical

737
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: students who are with them pull out syringes full of

738
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: sedatives and inject the guards, rendering them unconscious. They drag

739
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: them over to the zoo next door because this buildings

740
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: next to the zoo, and just like leave them unconscious

741
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: in the zoo. Okay, zoo twist, not expecting that last

742
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: thing I thought were gonna say was zoo. It's incredible.

743
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: I love that dish into their plan. They could have

744
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: just left them there, but they put them in right

745
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: now exactly because they didn't want to hurt anybody. So

746
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: they pull all the records they can find, They pile

747
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: them up in the center of the room. They pour

748
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: benzene on them as an accelerant. They place bombs, They

749
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: grab all the blank I d s and all the

750
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: money that they can find, and they get the funk

751
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: out and the building goes boom. Successful heist movie. Yeah

752
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't so it wasn't completely destroyed. But the building

753
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: is soon on fire. So the fire department comes and

754
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: they show up kind of late, and then they kind

755
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: of take their sweet time putting out the fire. And

756
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: then when the fire is out, they just keep pouring

757
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: water on the building, just keep going because because they're

758
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: trying to destroy all the records. Because the fire department

759
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: got tipped off saying hey, hey, can you help us

760
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: destroy this building. You can always count okay, the fire department,

761
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: You can always count on them. Like you know, there's

762
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: there's cops, then there's firemen, and there's always a good guy.

763
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: And yeah, it comes for history obviously. The way that

764
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: my dad put it once is that no one becomes

765
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: a firefighter because they enjoy having power over other people. Yeah,

766
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: I love that. I've never put heard it in those words,

767
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: but yes, yes, and opposite for cops, yeah, exactly. Um

768
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: So in the end, they destroyed about eight hundred thousand

769
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: records on people, uh, which and it gets painted as

770
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: this failure because that was only about of the total

771
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: that were stored in the building. Um. But they also

772
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: they make it out with six d blanc ideas and

773
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: fifty thou guilders. And I could not, for the life

774
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: of me figure out how much fifty thousand guilders is

775
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: in today's money. And U S dollars. I tried, I promise,

776
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: I tried someone. I'm gonna say it's a lot. Yeah,

777
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: it's more money than I currently have. I'm willing to bet.

778
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like okay, So sometimes like history is like,

779
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: oh and they kind of failed. I'm like, okay, they

780
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: didn't like single handedly save everyone in Amsterdam all at once,

781
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: but they fucking destroyed eight hundred thousand records and like

782
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: saved thou pens of lives, you know, they put guards

783
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: in zeus. What I would say, it's mostly a success.

784
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean obviously not like stupendously. I don't know. Yeah, okay,

785
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: so there was a trader in their midst, and unfortunately

786
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: for the heist movie and for them and for us,

787
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: we do actually we actually don't know who the trader

788
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: was Judas. Yeah, and they get sold out and one

789
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: by one the conspirators get arrested. William when he's arrested,

790
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: they grab his journal and use it to catch a

791
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: bunch more of the people. And like, just I'm really

792
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: not trying to shame anybody, but if you're going to

793
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: blow up a Nazi warehouse, you should burn all the

794
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: evidence at your earliest convenience. So keep that in mind. Yeah, exactly,

795
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: And okay, so fifteen of them are rounded up, William Arandeus.

796
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: His defense in court is basically like I did literally

797
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: all of it. Blame it all on me, No one

798
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: else had anything to do with it. And it's not

799
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: the first time that doing research for this podcast, I've

800
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: run across people using this defense and court um because

801
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a cool thing. That cool people sometimes do,

802
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: and it it saves two of his codefendants lives. Two

803
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: of the medical students are like just given like fifteen

804
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: years in prison or whatever, which fortunately means they're given

805
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: a couple of years in prison and then you know,

806
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: the Allies liberate the Netherlands. Um. But he didn't save everyone.

807
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: Along with twelve others, he was marched out to the

808
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: dunes and executed. Um. His last communication was through his lawyer,

809
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: who was also a badass. I'm gona talk about her

810
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: in a little bit, and he said to her, And

811
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: this gets translated a thousand different ways in every retellion

812
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: of it, but he said to her basically, never let

813
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: them say that homosexuals are cowards. Well, yeah, that is beautiful.

814
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: What a life, what a good guy? I know? That

815
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: is I like this show. Thanks, I do too, Um

816
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: any the thing I I mean, like, I was, like

817
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I cried so many times when I was like researching

818
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: this episode, because mean, this guy just wanted to fucking

819
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: like paint and write novels and like funck his boyfriend.

820
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: And then instead Nazis took over his fucking country and

821
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: he did what he had to do, and like and

822
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: the other guy that's like a sculptor. Yeah, it's you're

823
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: not allowed to express yourself creativity or like as an artist,

824
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: you're you're like you're forced into activism almost because to survive,

825
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Totally forced, but you're by default totally.

826
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's Wow. I'm glad to know about these people.

827
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: That is cool. I'm gonna tell you about more of them. Yeah,

828
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: more cool people that do cool things. Okay, I'm gonna

829
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: tell you about his boyfriend next. Um, not the one

830
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: who like fucked off because she got too hot, but

831
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: the one that um he dated later and was dating

832
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: during at all. His name was Schward Baker. And um,

833
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: that's the name you can say. Yeah, yeah, totally because

834
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: one of my best friends in Amsterdam his name is short.

835
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: Um and I actually am still not saying it correctly. Um,

836
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, everyone i'm short knows. Um. Hopefully

837
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: my friend short is listening to this and forgives me. Okay, so, uh,

838
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: he's a tailor, not my friend my friends owns a

839
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: pizza shop, but this guy is as a tailor and

840
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: short bocker. He sewed the counterfeit police uniforms that they

841
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: all wore into the office, and because he was William's partner,

842
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: the defense tried a strategy of like basically be like

843
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: go easy on him. He only did it because he

844
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: was in love with willem Um. And then short was like,

845
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: oh fuck no, like no, I fucking did it and

846
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: I would do it again, like fuck that love so

847
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: again not cowards. But that's like, you know what, that's amazing.

848
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: He could have just saved his ass and then instead

849
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: and this is the gayest part of all and the

850
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: part that I love. Um, right before he dies, he's

851
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: offered one last request and I don't see what you say.

852
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: It is about choking up. He asks for his pretty

853
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: pink shirt, and so he puts on his pretty pink shirt.

854
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty pink shirt is a translation some

855
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: machine translate shan I you know, but but he asked

856
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: for his pretty pink shirt. Um. He gets marched out

857
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: to the dunes and he gets executed alongside his lover.

858
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: And it was his shirt, his pink shirt, that helped

859
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: people identify the bodies of all the people who got executed. Um,

860
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: that's I. My eyes are kind of water so sweet

861
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: and sad, you know. And then his his his brother

862
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: and his uncle kept fighting and they also died later

863
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: in the resistance. Um. But then you got someone who survives,

864
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: Frieda Belafonte who's a part Jewish, lesbian celliston conductor, and

865
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: she's the first woman in the world to serve as

866
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: the permanent conductor for a professional orchestra. But that that

867
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: comes later because she survives. And it's not very often

868
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: that you get to say the lesbian survives in a

869
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: story like this. You know, Um, she was this promising cellist,

870
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: she won a conducting competition against entirely men, and then

871
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Nazis takeover, and as someone whose father but not mother

872
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: was Jewish, she was allowed to apply for a special

873
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: dispensation to keep working professionally under the under the Nazi regime,

874
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: at least at the start. But she was like, no,

875
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm not going to fucking do that, And

876
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: so she puts down her music career, puts it on hold,

877
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: and she goes underground and starts forging fake I d

878
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: s Um. And after the bombing, she goes underground again

879
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: and she dresses as a man, as she often did

880
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: to avoid detection or for whatever reason that she felt

881
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: like dressing like man. Um, probably being part of an expert.

882
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: Fake ID ring helps when you're trying to go underground,

883
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I would imagine that's a good asset

884
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: to have. I was just thinking like, how all these

885
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: badass people they consciously like every opportunity that was presented

886
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: to them as like you can save yourself, like you

887
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: can have an easier life if you just like, kind

888
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: of what's the word, like, um, I know, I can't

889
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: think of the word either, but if you just roll

890
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: over and just go along with it, not consolid but

891
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: there's a word that I'm thinking of. That's not the word,

892
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: but it's really cool. But with every opportunity that was

893
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: presented to them, they're still like, no, this is who

894
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: I am. I'm not a coward. Yeah, it's it's not

895
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: even I don't even think the kind of I would

896
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: go on record saying like they didn't even think of

897
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: it that way, you know what I mean, just basically

898
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: did it because that's the right thing to do, and

899
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: they're good people. Totally. Yeah, I think that there was

900
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: like that that's not an option, like why would I exactly? Um,

901
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: But but what is an option is buying fake I

902
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: d s from our sponsor Fake I d ring dot

903
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: is it net or calm Sophie, I think it's it's yeah,

904
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: it's definitely dot org okay, nonprofit. Yeah. And so for

905
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: our next wholesome sponsor is the concept of fake I

906
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 1: d s as well as whatever other ads come after

907
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: I say this and then stop talking. But mostly but

908
00:50:54,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: mostly fake ideas. Yeah, and potatoes, m okay, and we

909
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: are back so free to um So resistance folks smuggle

910
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: her first to Belgium to France, and then she has

911
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 1: to get across the Alps into Switzerland. But it's a winter,

912
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: so she crosses on foot. She crosses the fucking Alps

913
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: on foot in winter. Holy ship, that is yeah. Yeah,

914
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: it's like not something I'm trying to do. You know. No,

915
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: I already thought she was a badass, like before the break,

916
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: but now it's like, oh yeah, yeah, confirmed, yeah. Uh.

917
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: So she makes it to Switzerland and she starts a

918
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: choir in the refugee camp. Um of course she does

919
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: love her and then uh and then she becomes local

920
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: to you all. After the war, she moves to Orange County, California.

921
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: I actually don't know Orange County is I think we

922
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: don't know? Ship? Okay, it's I mean, like technically, like

923
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: if you're looking at a map, sure, but we don't

924
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't clip. Los Angeles does not clip

925
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: Orange County. Okay, maybe maybe back then it was more like, oh,

926
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: this is all this hot desert so Cal. We're all

927
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: the same. But at this point, Orange County is like

928
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: a red red, very red, very vaccine anti mask situation

929
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: in Anaheim. Anaheim is part of Orange County and I

930
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: was born there. Well, shout out to Anaheim for doing

931
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: something right. Yeah, just me, just given a strain. Literally,

932
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: all I know about Orange County is that someone I

933
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: went to high school with was an actor on the

934
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: O C. That's that's. That's as much as you should know, honestly. Yeah,

935
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: you're The theme song just went bursting into my head. Actually, wait,

936
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: I know people from Anaheim going to be like mad

937
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: at me for even saying that. So I had to

938
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: look it up. Oh no, it is the second largest

939
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: city in Orange County. Okay, great because that's also where

940
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Disney is. So I was like, is it Angeles or

941
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Orange County? Okay, sorry, anyone out there, uh please don't

942
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: add me, thanks, okay, Okay, Um, So now everyone knows

943
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: that I don't know anything about California. I'm a fucking

944
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: Appalachian girl at the moment. Okay, that's that's that's what

945
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: we're here for. Yeah, honestly, I wish I wish I

946
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: did not know anything about this place. I wish I

947
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: was catapulted into out of space. I don't want to

948
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: be here. I don't want to know anything, said good

949
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: to know. Um, Freida wanted to be there, not l A,

950
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: but Orange County. So she goes to Orange County and

951
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: she starts. She organized the Philharmonic Orchestra and does it

952
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: as a nonprofit and all their concerts are free to

953
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: the public, and she she runs the orchestra for about

954
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and now she's the aforementioned first permanent conductor

955
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: of an orchestra or whatever. Um, a woman conductor of

956
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: an orchestra. And then one day, after like fifteen years,

957
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: someone's like, and I'm paraphrasing here is and making this

958
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: exact way it goes up whatever, making this part of

959
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: but not the thing that happens, just the words. Okay,

960
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: So one day someone's like, oh, ship, we're letting a

961
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: woman run an orchestra, and so they start talking about

962
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: firing her right because like whoops, we accele woman. But

963
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: then they're going back and forth about it. They're like, ah, yeah,

964
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: but she's like really good, like maybe we should let

965
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: her keep doing it. And then someone's like wait, wait wait,

966
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: but she's also a lesbian, so she gets fired cause

967
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: that person. Yeah, And I feel like it's like worth

968
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: pointing out that, like you know, like like a lot

969
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: of World War two is like the bad guys and

970
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: then the so so guys, you know, like, um, it's

971
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: not like everyone fucking like it's not like Brittain was like, man,

972
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: we're so and not a whatever. Britain's really anti Semitic too,

973
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. But there's still like

974
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: a scale, you know. I agree, it's there is no

975
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: It's like it's not black and white thinking. There's no

976
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: good and evil, like you know what I mean, Like

977
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: again what you said earlier, people that support Nazis are Nazis,

978
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, People that are like even

979
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: a little bit homophobic or like whatever. It is like

980
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: it's just like I don't know that makes sense. I

981
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: guess that partly black and white thinking, but I think

982
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I'm going to shut up.

983
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: Let you continue. It's black and gray thinking. There's the evil,

984
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 1: and then there's the slightly less evil, and then there's

985
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: the I know, and then the good. Are the individuals

986
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: who are doing this kind of ship you know, yes, yes,

987
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: And so the Kanu read yeah of our race, Yeah exactly,

988
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm like trying to picture counter Reeves playing

989
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: her in the movie. Um, but I know that it's

990
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: not allowed. Okay anyway, um okay. So she gets fired

991
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: and she but she keeps working with music the rest

992
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: of her life. And one of her whole things that

993
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: she ends up having to do is that the whole

994
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: story that I'm telling you, this whole bombing plot, people

995
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: took the gay angle out of it. In history, Like

996
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: even though William's last fucking words were like never let

997
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: never let them say that homosexuals are cowards. People were

998
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: just like, look at these great resistance fighters and like,

999
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: never talk about their sexuality. And so it wasn't until

1000
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: the nine like history. History is all made up and

1001
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: made up by mostly straight white man Yeah, Trust history books,

1002
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: the Trust history books. Um ah no, no, no, I mean.

1003
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: And so it's in the nineties when she is able

1004
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: to like tell them like, no, the fucking the fact

1005
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: that we are like gay is fucking part of this

1006
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: um and needs to be part of the legacy. Um.

1007
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: And she dies. She's a good fucking run of it.

1008
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: Another guy, Karl Groger, He was part Jewish, although he'd

1009
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: been baptized Catholic. He had been born in Austria as

1010
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: father was a lawyer and his father was like defended

1011
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: the people who later became Nazis. Um. But young Carl,

1012
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: he was a social democrat and he was a medical student,

1013
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: and he gets the funck to Amsterdam as soon as

1014
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: he can to get away from the Nazis. But then

1015
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: the Nazis come after, of course, and he gets conscripted

1016
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: into the German Army, and then they quickly figured out

1017
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: that he's part Jewish and kick him out, so he

1018
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: joins the resistance. He works on a newspaper called ratten

1019
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: Kreutz or something rat Poison, which is a fucking punk

1020
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: rock name for goddamnpaper. Super metal. Yeah, and he's um.

1021
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the medical students who sedates

1022
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: the guards, and I think he's the only one of

1023
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: the medical students who gets executed. But I'm not hundreds

1024
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: and sort of about that. Um. But his last letter

1025
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: to his parents includes the line I believe that with

1026
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: this one action, I brought more boon to humanity than

1027
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: an entire life as as a physician would have done. Um.

1028
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: And he's probably right. No, I think so too. It's

1029
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: he's I don't know, it's like, what what will what

1030
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: will shift the thinking of humanity versus what you know

1031
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, like totally, the fact that he had

1032
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: even like a nudge of that arrow is so much

1033
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: more helpful than versus like, I don't know, I was

1034
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh my god, I was going to say,

1035
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: delivering a babe. Maybe I should not see that. I mean, like,

1036
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: doctors could do lots and lots of good stuff and

1037
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm entirely but he like, but he definitely saves more literal,

1038
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: just immediate lives just by fucking burning eight hundred thousand records,

1039
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: and he like, yeah, and you're right. He also just

1040
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: shows that people can stand up for ship, you know. Okay,

1041
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: So then another one. You've got another Willam William Sandberg

1042
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: and he's a He was a typographer, which is seems

1043
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: like a good skill set if you're gonna become a counterfeiter,

1044
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: and he he helped plan the whole thing. And then

1045
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: he actually he goes underground and he survives. He's hidden

1046
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: by a dentist friend after the bombing, and he keeps

1047
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: up his typographic work. He like keeps doing his art

1048
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: while he's underground, and he releases nineteen experimental typographic pamphlets

1049
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: because he's a fucking artist, um, while he's on the run.

1050
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,959
Speaker 1: And I kind of love that too, like he said,

1051
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: asides art a little bit. But then he was like, oh,

1052
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: but now I have all this time to work on

1053
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: my art because I'm hiding from that. I gotta express myself.

1054
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm an artist. Yeah, And and he designs the plaque

1055
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: for all of his dead friends, um that hangs on

1056
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: the building where the attack happen. And he goes on

1057
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: to direct one of the more important museums in Amsterdam,

1058
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: the stead Lick, where he he constantly runs into trouble

1059
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: for trying to present art that involves sexuality, because Nazis

1060
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: aren't the only shitty prudes around. Um. Then there's a

1061
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: Rudy Bloomgarten who's a very nonpacifist Jewish resistance member. Before

1062
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: before the bombing. He tried to assassinate a high up

1063
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: Nazi collaborator after the bombing. When they came to arrest him,

1064
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: he shot the arresting officer and got the funk away. Um.

1065
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: He was caught later in a nearby city. He didn't

1066
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: survive the war, but like, fuck it. He blew up

1067
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: a Nazi warehouse and shot a Nazi And I don't

1068
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: what more can anyone else? Yeah, like, yes, thank you

1069
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: for that. You gave us a good life. Okay. Another

1070
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: nonpacifist was Johann Brauer. And almost everyone else is like

1071
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: artists and students and ship right, But Johann was a

1072
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: bank robber, uh, at least in that but and more

1073
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: than that. So he's a bank robber in the twenties.

1074
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: And then he murders a guy who's blackmailing him about

1075
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: the bank robbery, and then he goes to prison for

1076
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: murdering the guy's blackmailing about the bank robbery. And then

1077
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: he gets out, and then he gets his PhD and

1078
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: like Spanish mysticism, uh, and he converts to Catholicism and

1079
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: then he fights in the Spanish Civil War on the

1080
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: Republican side, which is like not what most Catholics are doing.

1081
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: Most Catholics are specifically on the fascist side of that one.

1082
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: And then he comes back from the Spanish Civil War

1083
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: and becomes a professor and the Nazis to come take

1084
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: over the country. They fire him because they figure he

1085
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 1: was a murderer and he probably shouldn't be teaching kids,

1086
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: which I actually think he should be teaching kids, because

1087
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: so he up himself the blackmailed. Come on, come on, yeah,

1088
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: that's a well rounded guy. He could teach kid Yeah, exactly. Um,

1089
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: And so he blows up their records and I think

1090
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: he gets executed. I wish I want to find out

1091
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: more about this guy, because he's sucking. Yeah, he sounds

1092
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: really fast, and I know I want to be friends

1093
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: with him. He's a complete wing nut who always throws

1094
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: down when you need when you need it, you know, Yes,

1095
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: I love that, love it. Love the con Yeah. I

1096
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: love a good scam. Yeah, totally. The guy who helped

1097
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 1: them figure out where to place the explosives was named

1098
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: Martinists Knight Kniehoff. He was a World War One vet

1099
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: who fought against the German invasion as part of a

1100
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: regiment of bicycle infantry. I was not aware that bicycle

1101
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: infantry was a thing until I I read about this man. Um,

1102
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, me either. The more you say it, the

1103
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: more I'm like, can I am I managing? Just like

1104
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: an army of bicyclists in their little spio outfits. That's

1105
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: that's what I imagine. A bicyclist is a little like

1106
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: skin tight, you know what. I like the brand? Yeah, no, yeah, yeah,

1107
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: not like whatever shrine. As much as a man in

1108
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: uniform was very handsome, I think a man spito is

1109
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: more handsome. I'm fully okay with the great thank you

1110
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: this version of Yeah. And so he's like the explosives

1111
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: guy for him. Uh, he looks up the he gets

1112
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: the blueprints of the building from an architect who's one

1113
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: of them, and he suggests, okay, here's where you should

1114
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: place the bombs. And he wasn't caught. I don't think

1115
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: he actually went on the actual raid. He just told

1116
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: them where to place the bombs. And after the war

1117
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: they had a hunger winter, which is never a good

1118
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: time when you're when your country is a hunger winter

1119
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: where twenty Dutch people starved to death or frozen to death. Um,

1120
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: because I've never heard that term before. Yeah, I didn't

1121
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: even heard about the Hunger Winner until reading about this guy. Um.

1122
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: And then he because war has all kinds of unintended

1123
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: consequences um or intended consequences, I guess sometimes. And so

1124
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: he he hangs out at his house and hands out

1125
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: all of his food to two kids until his supplies

1126
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: are exhausted. Um, and he survives, and he's mostly remembered.

1127
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: First poetry. So I like that the speedo wearing um

1128
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: explosive sky from the heist movie. I'm talking about these

1129
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: like real people as if they're whatever anyway, Um, they aren't.

1130
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, no, he's a poem. And as I mean,

1131
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: a good heist movie is like there are real heists

1132
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: in the world, we just call it a heist, you

1133
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But in a highst movie, there

1134
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: are a bunch of different characters with a bunch of

1135
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: different like backgrounds of qualifications. So this just makes sense

1136
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: to me. There's a poet, there's a bank robber, there's

1137
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: a sculpture, there's an art I can keep going. Okay,

1138
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: another guy who was named CNIG and after the bombing,

1139
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: he just like goes back to school his medical school,

1140
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: like nothing happened. But then He just gets arrested while

1141
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: he's staking his medical exam and he he's one of

1142
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: the people who gets saved by by Willem by his admission,

1143
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: and he goes to a concentration company. He's freed when

1144
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: the Netherlands ise liberated. And then you got your noble

1145
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: because you need a random noble in all of this too,

1146
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: write you need a rich guy. You need so Edwards

1147
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: Samuel Adrian von Moossen Broke Broke uh moose Chin broke.

1148
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: He was. He was basically nobility. He also didn't like

1149
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: the Nazis, and so he fights against the German invasion.

1150
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: And then the Dutch army capitulates, and you know, the

1151
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: Netherlands gives up. So he he and his friend drive

1152
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: off to join the British army and then he joins

1153
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: and fights with the British Army as far as France

1154
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: before he's captured by the Germans. He escapes the Germans,

1155
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: he makes his way back to Amsterdam. He joins the resistance,

1156
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: helps blow up the records. Then he goes into hiding,

1157
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: but he was tracked down, arrested and executed um and

1158
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: he spent three months in prison with his arms chained

1159
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: above his head in a cell and his his father

1160
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: was also sentenced to five was since to five years

1161
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: in prison because he had sent a postcard to his

1162
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: kid that was like good luck and its like was

1163
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: probably good luck blowing up the Nazis. But um sad yeah,

1164
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: Um okay, then you have a double agent cop, because

1165
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: you needed a double agent cop, the only good kind

1166
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: of cop. I would say that. I agree, Um. Cornelius Ruse.

1167
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be policing the Jewish quarter, but instead

1168
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: he's actively helping Jews escape, including at least in one case,

1169
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: high ding them in his house. And he's the one

1170
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: who steals the police the two police uniforms that he

1171
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: then gives to short in order to have them copied. Um.

1172
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: And he also uh after the attack, he's passing along

1173
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: all the police information about how they're trying to catch everyone. Um.

1174
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, because he's passing along those documents, when one

1175
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: of the people is caught, they find the documents, they

1176
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: trace it back to him. Um, and he's executed alongside

1177
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: his comrades. Every time you introduced someone like, I'm just

1178
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: so curious where it's going to end up, like and

1179
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: then they were executed or and then they got what

1180
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean totally um good another another

1181
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: good person uh, Henry Hobart Hobbard stat Uh. He arranged

1182
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: the explosive heist in the first places. They needed to

1183
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: steal the explosives to blow up the other place, right. Um.

1184
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: And so one of his relatives was a cop, and

1185
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: he gets the relative cop double agent to sneak out

1186
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: the explosives to him, which he then used personally on

1187
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: some like railway lines to to funk up with the

1188
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: just sunk up the Germans. But then he um, he

1189
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: gives bombs to the the bombing plot and he gets

1190
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: executed for that. Uh. And then there's Garrett Vonderveen who

1191
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier, the sculptor Um. Before the bombing,

1192
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: he actually wants set fire sculptor. This is the guy

1193
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: with the ship. Yes, I've been curious about the guy. Okay,

1194
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: So before the bombing, he actually set fire to an

1195
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: employment office for the same purpose, but he didn't do

1196
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: a very good job of it, so it didn't really

1197
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: do much damage. Then he had the more successful bombing, right,

1198
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: and then he goes on underground. He stays on the

1199
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: run for two years, and he gets it gets increasingly desperate.

1200
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: At one point, he and two others carry out another

1201
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: raid that scores them like ten thousand blank ideas instead

1202
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: of like the six d they grabbed the time before.

1203
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: But more and more of his friends are winding up

1204
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: in prison and so he can't have that right, so

1205
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: he tries to raid the prison to set them free.

1206
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: Six times, um. Six times he tries, and six times

1207
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: he fails, like he just won't sing quit attacking the prison.

1208
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: And then the last time he attacks the prison is

1209
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: on May one. He and twenty eight others were let

1210
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: in by a friendly guard but they I know, But

1211
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: they get attacked by a guard dog and Vondervin shoots

1212
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: the dog um, which everyone hears, and so a firefight

1213
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: breaks out. Vondervin gets shot in the back and paralyzed

1214
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: from the waist down and somehow still escapes. Uh Like,

1215
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: maybe he's carried away by a comrade. That's like the

1216
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: more likely thing, but I don't know. This guy just

1217
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: like doesn't know how a fucking quit, So it's like

1218
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: kind of easy to imagine him just like crawling away,

1219
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: yes exactly, And a friendly doctor treats him and they

1220
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: are all caught a couple of weeks later, and he

1221
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: was tried and executed another The ending is always the

1222
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: one that was like, where's it gonna go? Okay, one more?

1223
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: One more? No, no, no, no, I love really only

1224
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: wrote one more. Um, that's fine. Okay. So so even

1225
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: their fucking lawyer is cool. Okay. The woman Yeah, yeah, okay,

1226
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: So Lao Mazarel, I'm listening. Yeah, no, no, no, I

1227
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: think you are. Solo is down for the struggle before

1228
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: the Nazis, during the Nazis, and after the Nazis. She

1229
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: represents immigrants and refugees and queers and Romani folks. Before

1230
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: the Nazi invasion, she tried and failed to get the

1231
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: Dutch government and the synagogues to destroy all the records

1232
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: about who's Jewish. Basically, she's like, this ship is gonna happen.

1233
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: Have you seen Germany? You should get rid of your lists,

1234
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: and they're like yeah, we like lists, you know. And

1235
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: then it happens that she's like seen, yeah, I told

1236
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: you yeah, and her her smart lady, I know her,

1237
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: her Jewish husband goes on the run with her her kids,

1238
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: who are so because their kids are part Jewish or whatever.

1239
01:08:55,400 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: Get get in trouble too, and uh, they actually I

1240
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: have the war two. And she frees people like legally

1241
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: when she can and illegally when she passed to. One time,

1242
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: she like literally jumps on a train to drag Jewish

1243
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: kids off of them, basically being like, you can't kill them,

1244
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: They're like under my legal protection or whatever. Yeah, oh

1245
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: my god, I love these people. And she was originally

1246
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: gonna go with everyone on the night of the bombing

1247
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: and helped do the bombing, but in the end she

1248
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: decided not to go because she was too short to

1249
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: realistically pass as a cop um. So as soon as

1250
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: I read this, I like message my my lawyer friend

1251
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: and was like I found you in history um and uh.

1252
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: And then after, you know, after the Nazi thing is

1253
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 1: over or whatever, she becomes In addition to fighting for

1254
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,799
Speaker 1: all these other things, she also becomes an anti census

1255
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: activist because she's like, I've seen what happens when governments

1256
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: keep lists of people. You know what, yes, yes, I've

1257
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: always you know, the census always drives me the wrong way.

1258
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. This woman she does what's that

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Speaker 1: They also never seem to do it right in America. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: what's the whatever. But I do like that because she

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Speaker 1: was the one that Willem I hope that's his name,

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Speaker 1: that he told her that. I just don't let anyone

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01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: say gays aren't counts, right, or homosexuals or whatever the

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Speaker 1: word he so if because she was the one, the

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Speaker 1: only person that was told that. She probably is the

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Speaker 1: one that kind of like wrote like or helped write

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Speaker 1: what happened in the history and stuff, right, That's that's

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Speaker 1: what I would assume. I think, so m she also no,

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Speaker 1: I just was gonna say, that makes her really cool

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Speaker 1: to me. Like in nineteen forty six, I just didn't

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Speaker 1: even make it into my script, but like in ninety

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Speaker 1: six she um forms or helps form one of the

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01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: like main gay rights organizations, um, and just like she's like, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: Like I think she's probably as a straight too, I

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01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: don't know whatever, she's married as kids, that doesn't make

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01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: her straight, but you know, she's just like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: fucking absolutely get involved in LGBT ship as soon as

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: this happens a true ally yeah, like in an actual

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: sense of the word, like allies and like the two

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: of us are invading a country together, you know, like

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Speaker 1: mm hmmm, mm hmm. Yeah, no, totally. Um, I like her,

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: like all these people. I like all I like all

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01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: these people. This is you know, before I hopped on

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 1: Happy the best day, you know what I mean. But

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pleasantly surprised these people are. So I

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: want to look up all these people when we're done

1287
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: with this and just excuse me. I mean, I'm a

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01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: very cynical person and I don't have faith and humanity.

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: I think we are terrible. Um, and I unfortunately think

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01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 1: the bad at weighs the good because bad usually wins.

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01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: But this kind of stuff really gives me hope that

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: like actual good people will keep doing good things, you know,

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: and there's a reason like jumping in the ocean and

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01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: helping a ship not be on fire, like you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, There's always going to be that I

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01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm saying, But there's always a point, Yes,

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 1: there's always a point in every podcast where I start

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: to philosophize. So this is the point where is the

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01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: right time I'm here for? But um, but no, I

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01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: think I think, especially in the culture that we are

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: in now, which I don't like, how there's like you're

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01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: being observed at all times. There's cameras everywhere or like you,

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01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: and when you're not being observed, you want to be

1304
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: the observer and like record something or take a photo

1305
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: or there's all these outside forces that influence your accents,

1306
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 1: your actions. Unfortunately, um, even subconsciously. I think that happens,

1307
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: whether it's like posting something or you want to share,

1308
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: especially as artists. If you want to share something, there's

1309
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: going to be a reaction and you have to be

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01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: on line to even feel relevant in all this stuff.

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01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: So I think if we just dial all that back in,

1312
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: like I don't know, doing good things just to do

1313
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: them versus like like I hate when celebrities are like

1314
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: I fit the homeless today, just like go through the homeless,

1315
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, go do any money. You

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01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: don't have to tell us about it, you know what

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean. If they're actually good, they would just do

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: it and not say a word. How would they get

1319
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: how would they get compliments on the Twitter? And so

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Speaker 1: performative But that's just prus it's performative, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Um, But maybe one day the good my

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01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: way the bad. But the current trajectory, I don't know. Man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's ah, I don't know. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens, but I like this kind of show to

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: give me hope. I'm I'm glad. Uh yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I I One of the things I like about how

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Speaker 1: all of them are artists and stuff is that they're

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01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: not doing it for cloud. You know, they're just doing

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01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: it because they're like, well, I'm an artist, but I

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01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: also gotta I gotta do this ship now, like exactly

1331
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: like some of them, you got to use their skill sets,

1332
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: like the typographer or whatever. But the cellist isn't like

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01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm playing cello for the revolution. The cellis is like,

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01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: I guess I'm making fake ideas now, you know. Yeah,

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: these are very talented people in their own rend because

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Speaker 1: they're notable in whatever they're doing. Yeah, not that it

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01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: matters to be notable, but you know what. And then okay,

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01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: so the the this whole plot I've been calling it

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01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: like the Amsterdam plot and all my notes, it doesn't

1340
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 1: have a cool name in history that I've able to

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01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: been able to find, like even the group of them,

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: they don't get called like, I don't know, the cool

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01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: gay artists who blew up Nazis or whatever blew up

1344
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: Nazis warehouses. They just get called the Garrett Vonderveien Group

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01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: because there's a strike guy there who like helps run

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01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: some of it. Um, I don't know, do you have

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: any do you have any name ideas for them? Like

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01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: what do we call the you know, the gay bombers

1349
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: of Amsterdam or you know, um not to about you

1350
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: on the spot very literally, I mean, this is this

1351
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: is so the first thing I thought it was bad.

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: It's not good. I thought of glam Squad just on

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01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: the g G train, you know what I mean. I

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01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: was on that. I was on that word. Um. I

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01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: think squad can be a badass edition, but I also

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01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: think it's like predictable and maybe you should just be

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01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: some random word like I don't know the I'm trying

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01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: to come by, Like just find a word that's like bombers,

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: but like the person of that, like that's just that's

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Speaker 1: not what I want. Well that's what they did, though.

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Speaker 1: They showed up and they were like, hey, we're the

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Speaker 1: bomb Squad. We're here to check for bombs. That's pretty

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01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: Actually they're the original. They're the very first bomb squad

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: that you should ever know what they are. They're the

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01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: O G Bomb Squad. That's what they are. Bombs. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we came up. That's not the greatest, not the greatest,

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01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: but I will finish there. So that's it for today.

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Speaker 1: When we come back on Wednesday, we're gonna keep talking

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Speaker 1: about this stuff. We're gonna talk. We're gonna move back

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: over to Germany, and we're gonna learn more about cool

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: gays who did cool gay stuff like fight Nazis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Thanks. Do you have any uh

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01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: plugs fresh your shoe? Oh? Yeah, that again about being

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: observed and needed to stay relevant. Um. If you want

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01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: to follow me on the internet, you're allowed to. I'm

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01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Shiro Hero six six six um and

1377
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: on Instagram is just Shiro hero. And if you want

1378
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: to know anything about me, you can just Google me

1379
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: and find it there. It's fine. I don't don't. I

1380
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,879
Speaker 1: feel very jaded at this point. I have a podcast,

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01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: I have a poetry book. It's all of the internet

1382
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: somewhere I don't know find it. Yeah, if you really care,

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01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: you would dig for the information. Any any plugs for

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01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: you at the moment. Uh? Well, I still like plugging

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01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: my new podcast Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff that

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: you often listen. I like you plugging that too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know where they can listen to it. No,

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure either. I think you actually can't find

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: podcasts anywhere, um but legally Yeah, totally so hard to find.

1390
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: Or if you're willing to go underground to the to

1391
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: find it everywhere you listen to podcasts, you can do that. Yeah,

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01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: good show, I like it. See you all, Weinstein. Cool

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Speaker 1: People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of cool

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Speaker 1: Zone Media. Or more podcasts on cool Zone Media, visit

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: our website cool zone media dot com, or check us

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