Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, my filthy little filth heads. Did
Speaker 1: you enjoy the last episode with a bit of a cliffhanger? Wow,
Speaker 1: wasn't that fun? But let me do a little bit
Speaker 1: of a recap in case you forgot any of the
Speaker 1: important details. In the last episode, I talked about Mary
Speaker 1: Todd Lincoln. You guys know, she was the first Lady.
Speaker 1: She was the wife of Abraham Lincoln. He was a
Speaker 1: guy who did the Emancipation Proclamation and I also thought
Speaker 1: that he was a little big a. I talked about
Speaker 1: Mary Todd and then I also talked about her modiste
Speaker 1: turned friend, Elizabeth Keckley. Elizabeth was a formerly enslaved woman
Speaker 1: who bought her own freedom, moved to Washington, d c.
Speaker 1: And became the dressmaker of the society elites. And you
Speaker 1: guys know that I love to see if someone's gay
Speaker 1: or nay. Well, a couple of scholars have sensed a
Speaker 1: bit of queerness between Mary Todd and Elizabeth Keckley. You
Speaker 1: know they're like, well, they hung out a lot, they
Speaker 1: do a lot of things together. Also, Elizabeth said that
Speaker 1: Mary Todd had a nice neck. Here go must be
Speaker 1: a little gay. But you know, I also want to
Speaker 1: be honest right, And I'm kind of non tally convinced
Speaker 1: that they were in a gay relationship at all. You know,
Speaker 1: I think more of what was going on is that
Speaker 1: Mary Todd is extremely mentally ill, needy and codependent, and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth was one of her few friends. She was disliked
Speaker 1: by a lot of DC society people, and so she
Speaker 1: was latching on to Elizabeth. She needed her all the
Speaker 1: time to deal with her moods. At her every whim,
Speaker 1: Mary Todd would have a meltdown and then request Elizabeth's company,
Speaker 1: even though Elizabeth, as a dressmaker, had a business to run. Also,
Speaker 1: is it really just a request when it's the first lady?
Speaker 1: You kind of have to just do what she says,
Speaker 1: which a bit of a power imbalance in their relationship.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that Elizabeth didn't enjoy Mary Todd's company.
Speaker 1: You know, they were friends. She clearly cared about her,
Speaker 1: as we see in the book that Elizabeth Keckley wrote.
Speaker 1: This book called Behind the Scenes, came out in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight, and she didn't necessarily want to write this book,
Speaker 1: but she was encouraged to write it by some publishers.
Speaker 1: They strongly suggested it they were like, hey, Elizabeth Keckley,
Speaker 1: this would be a good idea, you know, because you
Speaker 1: got to defend Mary Todd, defend her against what you
Speaker 1: might ask. Well. The year before, in eighteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: Mary Todd Lincoln's reputation had been basically destroyed, and the
Speaker 1: publishers were like, if you write about her and what
Speaker 1: happened in your perspective, it might improve the whole scenario.
Speaker 1: Maybe people will like her again. Unfortunately, though, when Elizabeth
Speaker 1: published this book actually made everything worse. Whoops. There was
Speaker 1: significant backlash, not just because the book talked about the
Speaker 1: intimate life of President Lincoln and Mary Todd, but also
Speaker 1: because most of the book is Keckley talking about her
Speaker 1: own life. People hated that. They're like, we don't care
Speaker 1: about you, We want to hear about Mary Todd. I
Speaker 1: gotta wait until the last chapter to know what happened.
Speaker 1: And you might be wondering, well, what was it that
Speaker 1: happened in eighteen sixty seven that was so bad? Well,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this, but Mary Todd was running
Speaker 1: low on money, so she tried to sell her old clothes.
Speaker 1: I know, isn't that the worst thing you've ever heard
Speaker 1: scandalous a woman trying to sell her clothes for money.
Speaker 1: Of all things, she had to stoop so low to
Speaker 1: thrifting her goods. And of course when she did this,
Speaker 1: when she came up with this scheme to sell her clothes,
Speaker 1: she dragged her friend Elizabeth Keckley into the mess. Cue
Speaker 1: the theme song. This is American filth and I'm Gabby Watts.
Speaker 1: Every week I tell you a filthy story from American history.
Speaker 1: In this week's episode, the Old Clothes Scandal.
Speaker 2: I was out of tune.
Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty seven, Mary Todd Lincoln was living in
Speaker 1: Chicago and she was on the brink of poverty. You know,
Speaker 1: she couldn't have for at her house, her other expenses.
Speaker 1: While Abraham Lincoln was president, she had run up a
Speaker 1: lot of debts at various stores. She had spent too
Speaker 1: much money, and then he passed away and she didn't
Speaker 1: have enough money to live off of. Even when Congress
Speaker 1: was like, we'll give you Abraham Lincoln's salary for the
Speaker 1: year because obviously he's not going to use it because
Speaker 1: you know, as I said last week, he was dead,
Speaker 1: but then she ran out of that money. She just
Speaker 1: didn't have enough money for her life, and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, oh God, what am I gonna do? What
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? And so she wrote a letter
Speaker 1: to her friend Elizabeth Keckley, who was still in Washington,
Speaker 1: d c. That said, I have not the means to
Speaker 1: meet the expenses of even the first class boarding house,
Speaker 1: and must sell out and secure cheap rooms at some
Speaker 1: place in the country. It will not be startling news
Speaker 1: to you, my dear Lizzie, to learn that I must
Speaker 1: sell a portion of my wardrobe to add to my
Speaker 1: resources so as to enable me to live decently. I
Speaker 1: have many costly things which I shall never wear. I
Speaker 1: might as well turn them into money and thus add
Speaker 1: to my income and make my circumstances easier. It is
Speaker 1: humiliating to be placed in such a position. Now, Lizzie,
Speaker 1: I want to ask a favor of you. It is
Speaker 1: imperative that I should do something for my relief, and
Speaker 1: I want you to meet me in New York between
Speaker 1: the thirtieth of August and the fifth of September, to
Speaker 1: assist me in disposing of a portion of my wardrobe. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right, folks, Marry time Lincoln was in such dire
Speaker 1: circumstances two years after her husband's death, that she was
Speaker 1: going to have to do something embarrassing, sell her clothes,
Speaker 1: And here she is demanding that her friend meet her
Speaker 1: in New York to be humiliated alongside her. And indeed,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Missus Lincoln, all of this would end up
Speaker 1: being very embarrassing for her. Elizabeth Keckley understood this from
Speaker 1: the beginning. When she received this letter, she felt that
Speaker 1: something would go awry. She wrote, I thought at the
Speaker 1: time that Missus Lincoln was borrowing trouble from the future,
Speaker 1: and little dreamed that the event which she so dimly
Speaker 1: foreshadowed would ever come to pass. But Elizabeth Keckley agreed
Speaker 1: she went along with it, and her book she talked
Speaker 1: about how she felt indebted to marry Todd because of
Speaker 1: everything her husband had done for Black Americans. And also,
Speaker 1: again this is when some people bring up the whole
Speaker 1: gay argument that Elizabeth was acting out of romantic love
Speaker 1: instead of just being married Todd's friend. Again, am I
Speaker 1: convinced by this idea? Absolutely not? But is it fun
Speaker 1: to think about? Absolutely yes. So Elizabeth, being the good
Speaker 1: friend that she was, left her shop, closed it up
Speaker 1: up and got ready to go to New York City
Speaker 1: to meet up with Mary Todd, and indeed him was
Speaker 1: a disaster. Keckley found Mary Todd staying at this shabby
Speaker 1: hotel and Mary Todd was there incognito under a fake name,
Speaker 1: Missus Clark, and when Elizabeth arrived, Mary Todd came down
Speaker 1: into the lobby and a tizzy. She had been worried
Speaker 1: that Elizabeth might not arrive. She said, why did you
Speaker 1: not come to me yesterday? I was almost crazy when
Speaker 1: I reached here last night and found you had not arrived.
Speaker 1: Mary Todd, under the guise of missus Clark, immediately asked
Speaker 1: the clerk to get Elizabeth the room next to hers.
Speaker 1: But this clerk was a bitch, was like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: there's no room for her on the third floor where
Speaker 1: you're staying. She's gonna have to say somewhere else, which
Speaker 1: was just the clerk being a dumbass racist, being like,
Speaker 1: this woman is black, she can't be on the third
Speaker 1: floor with you. Mary Todd was aghast. She was incredulous.
Speaker 1: Racism in eighteen sixty seven unbelievable. So Mary Todd instead
Speaker 1: moved her room to the attic, where Elizabeth was allowed
Speaker 1: to stay. When they got to their adjoining rooms. Mary
Speaker 1: Todd sat down in a huff. She said, I never
Speaker 1: saw such unaccommodating people. I will give them a regular
Speaker 1: going over in the morning. And then Keckley had to
Speaker 1: remind her that this would do nothing. She was like, hey,
Speaker 1: Mary Todd, you're in disguise. They don't know who you are.
Speaker 1: She said, quote, they don't know you. Missus Lincoln would
Speaker 1: be treated differently from Missus Clark. And see, that was
Speaker 1: the whole problem with this old clothes scheme. Mary Todd
Speaker 1: didn't want people to know who she was to save
Speaker 1: her from the embarrassment of having to sell off her wares.
Speaker 1: But the value of the clothes came from the fact
Speaker 1: that they belonged to Mary Todd Lincoln, the former First Lady.
Speaker 1: Before Keckley had arrived, Mary Todd had tried to hawk
Speaker 1: some of her jewelry and the buyers were like, you
Speaker 1: must be bananas if you want that much money for
Speaker 1: these pieces, you random woman named Missus Clark. We don't
Speaker 1: want this. And you might be wondering, how did these
Speaker 1: people not recognize her? She was a former first Lady
Speaker 1: after all. Well, not only was she going by Missus Clark,
Speaker 1: she was also wearing a thick veil. Wow, what a disguise.
Speaker 1: She was also speaking in a Gollum voice. Oh almostusk
Speaker 1: Croslas martusup. Sorry, that wasn't a good accent. I do apologize,
Speaker 1: and she wasn't doing that, if you can believe it.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, her disguise didn't last long because when she
Speaker 1: was showing her jewelry to yet another potential customer, he
Speaker 1: saw Mary Todd Lincoln engraved on one of the rings.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, are you Mary Todd? And she
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I've been discovered already. The next day,
Speaker 1: the day that Elizabeth had arrived, this man, mister Keys
Speaker 1: and his associate mister Brady, came to visit Mary Todd.
Speaker 1: They listened to her tale of woe and they were like, yes, girl,
Speaker 1: the government is treating you badly by not giving you
Speaker 1: more money. If you put your clothes and jewelry in
Speaker 1: our hands, we will quickly raise you a sum of
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars. That's basically one billion put jrillion
Speaker 1: dillion badillion in today's money. Elizabeth Keckley was suspicious of
Speaker 1: them from the jump. She didn't trust these guys. She
Speaker 1: was like, who are they? Where did they come from?
Speaker 1: And Mary Todd wasn't all the way convinced either. So
Speaker 1: over the next couple of days, Mary Todd and Elizabeth
Speaker 1: drove around to various clothing dealers, but nobody wanted to
Speaker 1: buy these clothes, especially because look, they just belonged to
Speaker 1: some random lady named missus Clark. They didn't know it
Speaker 1: was Mary Todd. And Mary Todd was mad. She was like,
Speaker 1: these are great old clothes, why are they buying them?
Speaker 1: Mary Todd was being desperate even on this trip. She
Speaker 1: was running out of money, so she eventually agreed to
Speaker 1: mister Keys and mister Brady because she was like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe their plan will be better than mine and will
Speaker 1: help me get one gazillion dollars. Keys and Brady's first
Speaker 1: plan was to guilt people into buying her clothes. They
Speaker 1: were like, Mary Todd, I think you should reveal who
Speaker 1: you are. Write some letters that detail all the terrible
Speaker 1: things that have happened to you and how you don't
Speaker 1: have any money. We'll show those letters around and then
Speaker 1: people will certainly want to buy your clothes because they
Speaker 1: feel bad for you, Like you won't be an embarrassment
Speaker 1: they'll be an embarrassment for living in a country that
Speaker 1: won't support the former First Lady. Elizabeth Keckley was like,
Speaker 1: that plan is literally insane.
Speaker 2: I think it's a bad idea.
Speaker 1: But Mary Todd was like, too bad, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I need money. And so mister Keys and mister Brady
Speaker 1: they took these letters. They showed them around town, but
Speaker 1: still no one wanted to buy anything. They're like, pishposh.
Speaker 1: You know the First Lady, she should figure something out.
Speaker 1: I don't need to help her. And oh god, was
Speaker 1: Mary Todd getting even more desperate. This is how desperate
Speaker 1: she got. She was the one who came up with
Speaker 1: this idea. She was like, hey, well, if these people
Speaker 1: you're showing the letters to aren't trying to give me
Speaker 1: any money, what if we just publish them in the
Speaker 1: newspaper so everyone can see them. Mister Keys and mister
Speaker 1: Brady were like, freakin genius, let's do that. And then
Speaker 1: mister Brady and mister Keys came back and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: Mary Todd, we have then another idea. What if we
Speaker 1: publish these letters, but we use them as like an
Speaker 1: advertisement for an auction where we sell all of your clothes.
Speaker 1: We put all your clothes on display. People can come through,
Speaker 1: people can see them and get a dress that was
Speaker 1: worn by the former First Lady. And Mary Todd, even
Speaker 1: though she knew this would be embarrassing to have all
Speaker 1: these people ogling her clothes, she was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess this is what we gotta do. It's dire and
Speaker 1: so they put the plan in action and it was
Speaker 1: really bad. Be back after these soothing advertisements. Elizabeth Keckley
Speaker 1: thought this whole publishing the letters in a newspaper and
Speaker 1: then having a sale of the clothes was a bad idea.
Speaker 1: She's like, then everybody's gonna know about your plight. They're
Speaker 1: gonna make fun of you, and then they're gonna come
Speaker 1: look at your clothes and be like, ho hum, this
Speaker 1: stupid little lady doesn't have any money. He haw ha ha.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth hated it, and then it got even worse for
Speaker 1: her because after the letters were published in the newspaper,
Speaker 1: Mary Todd was like, I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to Chicago. But Elizabeth, you stay here.
Speaker 1: You deal with the sale of the clothes, not demanding
Speaker 1: at all. This is crazy because Elizabeth Keckley had a
Speaker 1: business in DC she needed to get back to, but
Speaker 1: Mary Todd was like, no, no, no, deal with my shit,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go to Chicago. First of all,
Speaker 1: the letters in the newspaper did not have the intended
Speaker 1: to fact. People didn't really seem to feel that bad
Speaker 1: for her. But it did get people to come out
Speaker 1: to the auction. It was at a hotel, and let's
Speaker 1: just say it was the talk of the town, the country,
Speaker 1: but not in a good way. In her book Behind
Speaker 1: the Scenes, Elizabeth included an article from the New York
Speaker 1: Evening Express that detailed the events of the auction. It reads,
Speaker 1: the publicity given to the articles on exhibition and for
Speaker 1: sale has excited the public curiosity, and hundreds of people,
Speaker 1: principally women with considerable leisure, daily thronged the rooms of
Speaker 1: mister Brady. Twenty five dresses, folded or tossed about by
Speaker 1: frequent examinations, lie exposed upon a closed piano and upon
Speaker 1: a lounge. Shawls rich and rare are displayed upon the
Speaker 1: backs of chairs. Furs, laces, and jewelry are in a
Speaker 1: glass case. The feeling of the majority of visitors is
Speaker 1: adverse to the course Missus Lincoln has thought proper to pursue,
Speaker 1: and the criticisms are as severe as the quality of
Speaker 1: some of the dresses. Some of them have been worn much.
Speaker 1: They are jagged under the arms and at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the skirt. Stains are on the lining. The peculiarity
Speaker 1: of the dresses is that most of them are cut
Speaker 1: low necked, a taste which some ladies attribute to Missus
Speaker 1: Lincoln's appreciation of her own bust. Wow, they are dragging
Speaker 1: her in this article. They're like, some of these dresses
Speaker 1: are dirty, they're stained, they're kind of gross. A lot
Speaker 1: of them are also out of fashion. She's also trying
Speaker 1: to sell them for basically the same price she bought
Speaker 1: them for. And then they say that whole thing about
Speaker 1: the revealing neckline a little slut shame, is it not.
Speaker 1: There were so many articles at the time about this sale.
Speaker 1: Most of them ridiculed Mary Todd for the whole affair,
Speaker 1: for the fact that she tried to beat incognito in disguise,
Speaker 1: that she let her letters get published in the newspaper,
Speaker 1: that the dresses weren't up to snuff. Meanwhile, it was
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Keckley who had to set everything up, and some
Speaker 1: of the dresses on display were actually some of her
Speaker 1: own work, Like, can you imagine having to display these
Speaker 1: gowns and then all these people walking by muttering complaints
Speaker 1: about the dresses must have been horrible. Elizabeth Keckley, though,
Speaker 1: was a good friend. She was seeing all these criticisms,
Speaker 1: all of these editorials about Mary Todd, and she was like,
Speaker 1: why don't they have any sympathy for her? She wrote
Speaker 1: a letter to the editor of the New York Evening
Speaker 1: News defending Mary Todd, and one of the points she
Speaker 1: made it was like, the Empress of France frequently disposes
Speaker 1: of her cast off wardrobe and publicly too, without being
Speaker 1: subjected to any of these unkind remarks. Elizabeth's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Empress of France can do this and to get
Speaker 1: rid of her clothes, Mary Todd should be allowed to
Speaker 1: do it as well. And here's the extra sad, embarrassing
Speaker 1: thing for Mary Todd, this auction, this sale wasn't worth it.
Speaker 1: She actually lost money, very few items sold, and it
Speaker 1: was more expensive to set everything up. Mary Todd obviously
Speaker 1: was very upset that this all happened. Also, Elizabeth sent
Speaker 1: her a letter saying that mister Brady and mister Keys
Speaker 1: weren't very quote energetic at the sale, and after talking
Speaker 1: to a few people, Mary Todd and Elizabeth realized that
Speaker 1: no one really knew who they were. They're just some
Speaker 1: random guys. Mary Todd felt tricked by at the same time,
Speaker 1: maybe she should have done some fact checking before, uh,
Speaker 1: just going along with what they suggested. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say that now, is just like, if two random guys
Speaker 1: kind of approach you, like, don't listen to them. That's
Speaker 1: just like some advice in general. The sale was obviously
Speaker 1: a failure, but then mister Brady and mister Keyes went
Speaker 1: a little crazy. They briefly stole Mary Todd's clothes. They
Speaker 1: were like, Hey, since we couldn't get anyone to buy
Speaker 1: this stuff, what if we make it a traveling exhibition.
Speaker 1: Come and see crazy Mary Todd's clothes. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: took her clothes without her consent and brought them to Providence,
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Luckily for Mary Todd's reputation, though the authority
Speaker 1: is Improvidence didn't allow mister Brady and mister Keys to
Speaker 1: put these clothes on display, so they returned the wardrobe
Speaker 1: back to New York. Elizabeth Cackley ended up staying in
Speaker 1: New York for two months doing Mary Todd's bidding. I
Speaker 1: really disliked Mary Todd's treatment of Elizabeth in this situation,
Speaker 1: especially because Mary Todd never ended up paying Elizabeth. Elizabeth
Speaker 1: wrote in her book quote Missus Lincoln's venture proved so
Speaker 1: disastrous that she was unable to reward me for my services,
Speaker 1: and I was compelled to take in sewing to pay
Speaker 1: for my daily bread. My New York expedition has made
Speaker 1: me richer in experience but poorer in purse. During the
Speaker 1: entire winter, I have worked early and late, and practiced
Speaker 1: the closest economy. Missus Lincoln's business demanded much of my time,
Speaker 1: and it was a constant source of trouble to me.
Speaker 1: After everything in New York was wrapped up, Keckley returned
Speaker 1: to DC. Mary Todd was still in Chicago living with
Speaker 1: one of her sons and Elizabeth. She was feeling really
Speaker 1: bad for her friend, even though her friend ruined her
Speaker 1: life for a little bit. And so when Elizabeth Keckley
Speaker 1: was fretting over Mary Todd's reputation, these publishers approached her
Speaker 1: and were like hey, you should write a book about
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And that's when we got behind the
Speaker 1: scenes the account. They were like, hey, if you tell
Speaker 1: her story, you know, people can really sympathize with her
Speaker 1: and understand what she was going through where she was
Speaker 1: coming from. Though, you know, their publishers and they were
Speaker 1: probably just like, this is a great way we could
Speaker 1: make some money. Money, mon no money. So she wrote
Speaker 1: the book and at the very end of it, there's
Speaker 1: an appendix which includes some of Mary Todd's personal letters
Speaker 1: to Elizabeth Keckley. Now, Elizabeth was probably pressured to include
Speaker 1: these or simply not told that they would be featured
Speaker 1: in the book, and then when behind the scenes came out, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it had the exact opposite effect of fixing Mary Todd's reputation.
Speaker 1: Mary Todd looked even worse and also kind of dumb,
Speaker 1: trusting these guys she didn't know, and also selling her
Speaker 1: clothes in general. There was also a lot of personal
Speaker 1: details about her and her husband's relationship. There were these
Speaker 1: letters Elizabeth Keckley wrote about some of her emotional outbursts.
Speaker 1: Mary Todd was mortified. Mary Todd's son tried to buy
Speaker 1: up as many books as possible, and eventually he was
Speaker 1: able to get these publishers to stop printing the book.
Speaker 1: And then, guys, this is really terrible. After the book
Speaker 1: came out, Mary Todd, Lincoln, and Elizabeth Keckley I first
Speaker 1: spoke again. That's the real bad thing about the Old
Speaker 1: Clothes scandal. It ended a beautiful female friendship. And by
Speaker 1: beautiful I mean kind of imbalanced, and uh, Mary Todd
Speaker 1: definitely took advantage of Elizabeth. But anyway, after all of this,
Speaker 1: Mary Todd traveled around Europe for a bit and when
Speaker 1: she got back to the United States, her son Tad died.
Speaker 1: That was two of her sons gone, and her husband.
Speaker 1: She started having these hallucinations and her other son, Robert,
Speaker 1: thought she should be committed to an asylum. The only
Speaker 1: problem is that the only way you commit somebody is
Speaker 1: you have to basically sue them, put them on trial,
Speaker 1: and determine whether or not they're crazy enough to be
Speaker 1: sent to one. And that's what happened. Mary Todd one
Speaker 1: day was just like, oh, I'm in a court room,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And then they were all like, you're crazy,
Speaker 1: and they committed her. She didn't stay very long. By
Speaker 1: this point, she was in poor health. She had bad vision,
Speaker 1: she had pain, some people think she might have had diabetes,
Speaker 1: and at the age of sixty three, she died of
Speaker 1: a stroke. Elizabeth Keckley fared even worse when she got
Speaker 1: back to DC. She lost all of her clients. She
Speaker 1: had been involved with the scandal and nobody wanted to
Speaker 1: be associated with her, and she died destitute at a
Speaker 1: boarding house for black women. Isn't that depressing? Very sad?
Speaker 1: Two girl bosses suffering. Some people believe that Mary Todd
Speaker 1: Lincoln and Elizabeth Keckley did rekindle their friendship in later years.
Speaker 1: There's no proof of that, but sometimes you just want
Speaker 1: two girl bosses to reconcile. And you guys know this
Speaker 1: that every episode of American Filth we learn a lesson,
Speaker 1: And I think the lesson here is that you should
Speaker 1: buy vintage clothes because maybe it'll do some good. For example,
Speaker 1: it might help two women remain friends. So if you
Speaker 1: don't buy that musty card again, you hate women and
Speaker 1: female friendship. Cue the credits. American Filth is a production
Speaker 1: of School of Humans and iHeart Podcast. This episode was
Speaker 1: produce rent and hosted by me Gbby Watts and Our
Speaker 1: theme song is by Jesse Niswanger. Our executive producers are
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