1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Radio Get Everything. So don't don't it's still a horrible year, horrible, horrible, 3 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: horrible year. Him Robert, Hi, Robert, I'm Katie. Welcome to 4 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: the Horrible Year Show. This is the show about bad years, 5 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: and this year we're talking about, which not a great year. 6 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: That's all I've got to say. Yeah, is that it? Yep? Yep? Alright, guys, 7 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: good episode. Yeah, Okay, uh no, that's a lie. Like 8 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: everything I say, except for the stuff I'm about to say, 9 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: because today we're going to talk about out something very important, UM, 10 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: which is how the COVID nineteen epidemic is being used 11 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: as an excuse by the GOP to push laws criminalizing 12 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: the existence of transgender people. Um. A nice light topic 13 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: for a nice light week, well for a nice light year, 14 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: for a nice light year. So I should probably introduce 15 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: the fourth voice that people may have heard a couple 16 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: of times, Our our guest for today, Eva cant or 17 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: how you doing Eva? Um, you know, I'm having a 18 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: very cool times like everybody else. Uh, there's some stuff 19 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: going on in the in the news I've heard about. 20 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm not watching it anymore of you know it's all cool. 21 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: You aren't good for you. Yeah, I've tried to tune out. 22 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: It's hard to tune it out. I'm I'm impressed by it, 23 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: but you gotta. I think all you can do anymore 24 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: is you know you said aside about like an hour 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: day to catch up and go like, okay, that's that's 26 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: my budget. I'm good. And then after that you just 27 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: kind of if you've seen one news program, you'll you'll coverage, 28 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: you'll see the next. I was not going to be 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: that much difference. I have specifically avoided having a TV 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: that can deliver me the news. Um, and I think 31 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: that we would all do well. You know how Elvis 32 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: shot is TV because you got angry at the news. 33 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: What if we did that for each other? Yeah, if 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: we all shot each other's TVs. You pick up any 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of weapon and you to break into a stranger's 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: home and damage their television, that would violate our six 37 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: ft Oh yeah, that's the only reason, the only reason 38 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. When all of this is over, 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: I swear to you, I will come and I will 40 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: shoot your TVs. We'll all be shooting each other's TV. 41 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the key is to just aim at a 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: TV but yeah, you want to have you. Thank you 43 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: for joining us. Sorry for that terrible introduction where I 44 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: know it's better than any of what I've done on 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: my own, I think. Um, yeah, if you know me 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: on Twitter, I'm sorry. That's that's your mistake, not mine. 47 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: I am. It's not a mistake. No, no one should 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: be on Twitter. It's yeah, we're we're all trapped there. 49 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: Um I saw I think you know it's making fun 50 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: of it. Oh, it's the blue Hell site. And you know, 51 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: because if you post there too much. The thing about 52 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Hell is you can't leave. That's why it's hell. But yeah, 53 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm a member of the Social Strivel Association's Central Committee, 54 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: which is not as scary as it sounds. Um, you know, 55 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: I promise. Uh, I'm a transgender person and a lot 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: of other things. Uh, just going going through the motions 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: right now, I'm probably a bunch of thing isn't forgetting, 58 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: but you know I'm here. So yeah, what I enjoyed 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: about your Twitter presence is that you're one of the 60 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: only people I know who has a functioning understanding of 61 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: how stocks work. You know, you know what stocks are. Um, 62 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: so this is a little off topic, but what are they? Oh, God, 63 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: like seriously, because I can tell you no, no, no, 64 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: I was okay, okay, can I can I do a 65 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: quick callback like super fast? Fellow person from the DFW area, 66 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: I listened to your Mark Cuban episode, and um, as 67 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, a proud person from the from the df 68 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: W area, I have spent much of my life proudly 69 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: just loathing Mark Cuban. Um and you know, as as 70 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: a billionaire, you know, still sucks. But but I now 71 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: have to like hate him less than Jerry Jones, which 72 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: just oh that's a bitter pill. That's the worst. Yeah, 73 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean Jerry Jerry Jones is pretty outwardly offensive loads yea, 74 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: everything about him you can just on every level, even 75 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: if you didn't have the money, could still hate him. 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: Where it's like Mark Cuban, like, well, he said some 77 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: things that aren't like the worst thing I've ever heard. 78 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: So I guess the thing that's interesting about Mark Cuban 79 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: is that there are a lot of ways where the 80 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: goal is similar to what what I'd say that we 81 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: all believe in. It's just his mean of getting there 82 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: that I find. Philosophical difference of opinion. I suppose, but 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: at least you're not his worldviews. Yeah, and the thing 84 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: that he is, but like the other things that he's 85 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: he's useful in a way that I don't want to 86 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: say out loud because of reasons. But you know, it's 87 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: not Jerry Jones. And that's the thing that I'm not 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: able to say before. Yeah, so let's I had to 89 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: google Jerry Jones. I'll be honest. He sounds like he sucks. 90 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: You can, broadly, I think, define the groups of people 91 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: that are are trying to kill us all into two groups, 92 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's the kinds of people who like do 93 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: it um as a byproduct of doing other things. And 94 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: there's the kind of people who are really just hunkering 95 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: down to murder people. Um. And today we're going to 96 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: talk about the hunkered down I want to murder people um, 97 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: because that that is like the overwhelming feeling I'm in 98 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: right now from a lot of the legislation being pushed 99 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: in state houses around the United States aimed at like 100 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: transgender people. And this this kicked off before um, the 101 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: coronavirus epidemic, but they've they've certainly taken advantage of it. 102 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: There was an interesting article that came out like back 103 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: in February at the top of this year. That was 104 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: like laying out all of the different state bills and 105 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: stuff that the Republicans were pushing this year. And it's 106 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: a Washington Post article. I think I'm just gonna quote 107 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: like the top of it right now because it lays 108 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: out things pretty well. Uh, last week's O and this 109 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: is like February. Last week, South Dakota's Republican House passed 110 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: a bill banning doctors from treating young people under age 111 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: sixteen with hormones or gender confirming surgeries, making doing so 112 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: punishable with up to a year and a two thousand 113 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: dollar fine. Well, this week the bill failed to pass 114 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: out of its state Senate committee. The full state Senate 115 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: could still decide to take it up. Meanwhile, still similar 116 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: proposals have been fired filed in Colorado, Florida, Idaho, oak Homa, Missouri, 117 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: and South Carolina, and lawmakers in Kentucky, Georgia, and Texas 118 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: say they are also planning to file such bills. So yeah, 119 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: it's like there's a clampdown that was planned at the 120 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: start of the year, even before the coronavirus hit um 121 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: And this has been so generally, and at least in 122 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: the reading I've done, most of it seems to suggest 123 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: that this really got started after two fifteen. And it's 124 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: because of um oh, Bridge Fell versus Hodges, which is 125 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: like the Supreme Court case that that opened legal marriage 126 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: rights to same sex couples across the country. So after 127 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: the religious right lost that battle, they started increasingly targeting 128 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: transgender people like that was the next fight they picked 129 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: is we've we've at least temporarily lost this fight to 130 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: make it illegal for gay people to get married. Um, 131 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: it's time to funk up some trans folks. Uh. And 132 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: I found an analysis on what the Washington Post that 133 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: analyzed seventy one bills introduced in state legislatures or that 134 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: there were that which revealed there were seventy one bills 135 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: introduced in state legislature is between January one, twos and 136 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: fourteen and February of tis and eighteen then included the 137 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: word transgender. And this was like a massive spike. The 138 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: there were like two bills in two thousand fourteen that 139 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: used the word transgender, nine in two thousand fifteen, two 140 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: and two thousand sixteen, and two thousand seventeen and fifteen 141 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: and two thousand eighteen, UM. So yeah, that's kind of 142 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: like the background of this is there was this surge 143 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: that started five years ago and pushing against trans rights, 144 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: and now that, uh, the coronavirus epidemic has kind of 145 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: occupied everyone's mind. It's being used as an excuse to 146 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: push a lot of this stuff through. The most recent 147 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: example would be the state of Idaho, which just um 148 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: introduced HB five hundred UM and pushed it up to 149 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: the governor. And the bill bands trans girls and women 150 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: from high school and college women's sports, as well as 151 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: HP five oh nine, which bands gender changes on birth 152 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: certificates issued in the state. Uh. And the deadline for 153 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: signing or vetoing the bills was March thirty one, which 154 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: happened to be International trans Day of Visibility, and the 155 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: governor signed up both on the law. So like that's 156 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: that's kind of the start of what we're going to see, 157 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: but it's it's going to accelerate over the next couple 158 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: of months as this continues coronavirus continues to dominate. And anyway, 159 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: that's my introductor, Ychpiel. That's a that was yeah, um yeah, 160 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: and I think I think that's like at the core 161 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: of it too is um what we see internationally is 162 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: you have, uh, you know, this realization that you know, 163 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: certain parts of the culture war have been lost. They 164 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, gay people, Hey, they exist. You can't you know, 165 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: get rid of them. So you know Ellen's got a 166 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: TV show. Oh well, too bad. Um, So before you know, 167 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: some some popular transgender person has a TV show, we 168 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: better make sure that we make being transgender just such 169 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: a hell to exist. They all go in the closet 170 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: and whatever. Um, So we're going to do that as 171 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: quickly and harshly as possible. And I think a thing 172 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: that um, a lot of people you know, really should 173 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: keep in mind and and tend to forget, is that, 174 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, this isn't happening, you know, spur of the moment. 175 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: There are these bills, there are these plans, There are 176 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: these ideas that they're all sitting in a drawer somewhere there. 177 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: There are are plans to this, and it's like what 178 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: happens in the UK. There's international cooperation on these things. 179 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: There are you know, think tanks about this stuff. These 180 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: people all talk to each other and you know, I 181 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: mean just saying out wow, it sounds conspiratoral like, oh, 182 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: there's this international community of of you know, people who 183 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: sit around all day thinking about other people's genitals. But like, yeah, um, 184 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: that's what it is, and and that's what it is 185 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: to be in this community is you have to think, like, hey, 186 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: there's people who just think NonStop about me being trans, 187 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: about people who I don't know being trans, because I 188 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: would like to think about literally anything else. I'd love 189 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: to like, man, just down some hormone and he left 190 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: the funk alone. What that'd be really cool and just 191 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: not think about it for a day. Yeah, it's really 192 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: good that you point out the international dimension to this, 193 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: because it is like it is international. Hungary just sought. So. 194 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: The big news last week was that Hungary's President uh 195 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Orban Victor Orban Um basically had laws introduced that's kind 196 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: of his equivalent of a Reichstag fire declaration, which is 197 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: what gave Hitler dictatorial power. He has taken permanent, long 198 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: term power UM and is now president forever at decree 199 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: basically UM as a result of the coronavirus epidemic. And 200 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: that that made the news and I think a lot 201 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: of people have heard that, but at the exact same time, 202 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: or Bon introduced a series of bills that, among other things, 203 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: stipulates that gender should be defined as biological sex based 204 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: on primary sex characteristics and chromosomes. Uh. It records people 205 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: sex at birth in the civil registry and makes it 206 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: impossible for anyone to change their legally recognized gender. This 207 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: is like the first thing or Bon felt important to 208 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: do after after getting the dictate or card passed to him. Yeah, 209 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's I mean kind of like with with 210 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: all of this, like you know, if you're gay, if 211 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: you're if you're sexual, really, if you're if you're straight, 212 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: and just not like the group that's going to do 213 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: great when things turn pair shapes, like hey, um, you 214 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: know it might be trans people, it might be whatever group. Um, 215 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: but it's it's gonna come your way. And if you 216 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: can't feel some way about it because it's it's someone else, 217 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: feel some way about it, because like it's gonna be 218 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: you eventually, and it's gonna be some guy like Victor 219 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: Urban taking power and now you live in a fascist heelescape. 220 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: Like that's that's how authoritarianism works. Um is pointing at 221 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: a group and saying, well, they're not enough, Like you. 222 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: So we're just gonna go ahead and say they don't exist. 223 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. It won't be you next week. 224 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: It will yeah, I mean it'll take three or four 225 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: weeks for someone like me. So I feel actually pretty 226 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: good mean about it. You can still buy guns, so 227 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: you're fine with that poem? Uh, first they came for 228 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: them and then they stopped. It was fine. Yeah, Cody, 229 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: that's the entirety of the famous poem about fascism, and 230 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: it's totally cool. Yeah, yeah, it's totally cool. Is the 231 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: title of There was Less Traffic? So actually things worked 232 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: out for me, um the autobon, So actually it was 233 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: totally awesome. Yeah. All right, that's enough Hitler talk for 234 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: a while. This isn't behind no more fun jokes, No 235 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: more fun Hitler jokes. I know, I know that your 236 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: favorite part, except for when Cody and I come up 237 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: with nicknames for ourselves. I don't know. This is Uh, 238 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: it's one of those things. I feel like there's a 239 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: degree to which I don't know how much more I 240 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: should say, because it's a matter of like, this is 241 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: a horribly fucked up situation and it's going to get 242 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: worse unless people do something, please do something. Um, so 243 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: I guess one of the questions is like, would what 244 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: can we do while we're all sitting here at home, 245 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: um being like, oh no, another horrible thing is happening 246 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: an answer, yeah, yeah, answer this question authoritatively for everyone 247 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: right now on the spot. Please. This is I'm just 248 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm just having like this nightmares flashbacks when um, Michael 249 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg said he met with leaders of the trans community, 250 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: and all of us on Twitter were like, what when 251 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: do we have that vote? Did you guys vote on 252 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: the leaders? Because I didn't, Yeah, I missed that meeting. Actually, 253 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: um yeah, I think I think I called and sick 254 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,359 Speaker 1: for that when wey have had like a proxy or something, Um, 255 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: we do have a leader? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 256 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah my card was in the mail or something. I 257 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: don't know. But yeah, So it's tricky because, like especially now, 258 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, obviously there can only be one 259 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: problem at a time and nothing, no, no too bad 260 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: things ever happened at once. So it's it's really hard 261 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: for when a community says, I mean, I mean one 262 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: of the things that that we've seen because you know, um, 263 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: transpobs in in the UK are incredibly well organized um 264 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: and and they have a huge presence online um and 265 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: they just well we'll call themselves like hey, we're words 266 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: that basically just mean biggott um and and they have 267 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: an amazing ability to just say like, hey, you know, 268 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: you may think you're being oppressed, but like there's a 269 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: pandemic on you know, shut up. And I think when 270 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: you see members of any group and this, you know 271 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: that transgider people are no different. Say something terrible is happening. 272 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: Here's here's what it is. Don't The worst thing you 273 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: can do is say, hey, COVID nineteen is happening. Hey, 274 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: the hospitals are full of whatever we can wait. Well, no, 275 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: like use your fore brain and think about it for 276 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: a second and realize that anytime there's a crisis, someone 277 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: in power is going to use it to get more power. 278 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: And you know they're going to not use it on 279 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: you if you're doing okay. They're going to use it 280 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: on people who have the least power. So maybe listen 281 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: to those people, like, yeah, like that's if if you're 282 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: if you're someone who's in that position, who has that comfort. 283 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to use the P word because I 284 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: know people get kind of you know, annoyed when you 285 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: say privilege, but that's what it is. Um. You have 286 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to you have to listen when people say like, hey, 287 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: this bad thing is happening. It's it is what it is, 288 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: because I mean, the unfortunate reality is is like it is. 289 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: It is very hard to be part of a small 290 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: group of people who are who are politically disadvantaged. You know, 291 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: like you were mentioning that, hey, they're there. There are 292 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: are people in states saying that you know in all 293 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: these different states, you know, the people under a certain 294 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: age you know can't get X y Z transition and 295 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: saying oh, you can't medically transition if you're under whatever age. Well, 296 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: the thing is is is it? You know, ten year 297 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: olds aren't medically transitioning. That's not happening. Like they're getting therapy. 298 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: They're allowed to explore those feelings. They're allowed to like 299 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: lead healthy lives. And I'll tell you something. If I 300 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: was ten years old or you know, this is getting 301 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: a little personal, but that was around the age I 302 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: started like going like, hey, I think there might be 303 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: something going on here. And if I was in a 304 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: society where like I wouldn't be. I grew up in 305 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: rural Texas frankly drug behind to pick up because I mean, 306 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: let's let's let's make it really explicit. That's not like, 307 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: that's not like a euphemism. That was one of the 308 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: defining things that happened when both you and I were 309 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: children in Texas. Uh, there was there's a young gay 310 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: kid um not too far from more you and I 311 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: grew up who I think probably even you were about fourteen. Um. 312 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: That happened to get where but yeah, and that was 313 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: that was I'm not gonna lie. It was one of 314 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: the things that made me realize, oh, I need to 315 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: be in the closet until I die um because I 316 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: realized that's that's going to happen to me. And if 317 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: I was in a society where it was acceptable to 318 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: even think about being trans um, I would probably be 319 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: a much happier, healthier person. And there are a lot 320 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: of people who would be in the exact same position. 321 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: And if you're someone who is outside of that community. 322 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: As silly as the word community is, the very bait 323 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: most basically can do is listen and you're going to 324 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: hear some frustration, You're gonna hear some anger because it's 325 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: a frustrating and and anger inducing time. Um, but just 326 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: remember it's it's not directed at you, you know, it's 327 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: it's directed at how much everything sucks right now. Yeah, 328 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: and it's so I mean, I know we even talking 329 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: about this now for a few minutes, but it's um 330 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: with everything going on, COVID nineteen, all of this horrific 331 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: news coming down the pipeline, it's just very easy for 332 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: stuff that is immediately important in so many people's lives, um, 333 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: for that to get lost in the shuffle and so listening. Yeah, 334 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: that is a frustrating answer. It's also the most important answer. 335 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: It's paying attention. It's not just like not clicking on 336 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: that article you see because you're at if you have 337 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: the bandwidth. I know everyone's going through a lot right now, 338 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: but like saying like, yes, stop and pay attention to this. 339 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: Imagine take how hard this is for you, and then 340 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: imagine if you had even less going on, like even 341 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: less power, you know, even more marginalized. And empathy is 342 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: just so important right now, and it's we lose it 343 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: so fast, Yeah, especially when like we're uh suffering to 344 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: like it's exactly, it gets harder for some people, I 345 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: think to focus on anything else that's wrong when like 346 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: they're focused on trying I don't know, lockdown toilet paper 347 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: or whatever. But if we don't want things to get worse, 348 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: part of it starts with, um, you know, protecting the whole. 349 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: The whole like community, And I mean that in terms of, 350 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: like everyone who lives around you and who you're intertwined 351 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: with is part of that community. And like if a 352 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: segment of that community is being targeted, like you were 353 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: saying earlier, even it's going to come on you eventually. 354 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: Like this, this ship spreads in the same way if 355 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: I can, I mean can go on a rant about 356 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: Syria every day of the week, but like you ignore 357 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: one group of people and horrible things happened to them, 358 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: and then horrible things start happening everywhere. It's, um, just 359 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: the way the world works. You horrible things happen uh 360 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: to certain people. Then that tells people that did the 361 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: thing that it's okay to make horrible things happen because 362 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: they can get away with it and they're all friends. 363 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: All the horrible people are friends, good friends in their community. Yeah, 364 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: all right, we need to take a real quick ad 365 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: break speak listen to these COMMI listen to these speaking 366 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: of the worst people in history. They all need access 367 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: to flying robots that can launch missiles full of swords 368 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 1: at cars filled with dissidences. And if you need something 369 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: like that, the fine people at Raytheon have got your back. 370 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: I honestly think my transition was just fine. Together, everything down, 371 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: We're back, and I feel like I appreciate all of you, 372 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: and also the good people at Raytheon. M mostly people 373 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: at Raytheon yeah hashtag yeah one social distance and folks 374 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't live too far from them. I'm gonna I'm 375 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: gonna go. I mean, actually, Robert, do you want me 376 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: to go over to Raytheon and be like, hey, actually 377 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: great hop that big wrought iron Yeah what I One 378 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: thing I hear about Raytheon is that they're parking lot 379 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: security isn't good. Oh yeah, no, it's I'm gonna take 380 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: a big cookie bouquet and they're gonna be like, you 381 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: know what, we were going to just perforate you, but 382 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: now that I will bet there. They've got to be 383 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: registered like an essential business, right like the US government 384 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: isn't isn't turning down missile from home? Yeah? Yeah right now? 385 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, like staff, like the cooks and the 386 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: maids and stuff. Do you think those are essential services? Yeah, no, 387 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: they're They're all still coming into work. Yeah, I don't know. 388 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: I wonder how that's working. I am mostly curious though 389 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: about yeah zoom bombing a defense distributor as they Yeah, 390 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: that could be a lot of fun. I just I 391 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: just feel bad for whatever essential workers making McDonald's runs 392 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: for the presidente yeah, uh yeah. And that's one of 393 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: the things that, um, I'm interested in terms of this 394 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: is like I feel like one of the reasons things 395 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: haven't been even worse than they are is just the 396 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: fact that I don't know, they've been pretty bad. Like 397 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: I like, I keep going back and forth, like as 398 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: to like, is Trump worse than a baseline Republican would 399 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: have been because a baseline Republican or not a baseline 400 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: like an actual like an actual like religious conservative? Like 401 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: is he worse because those people like George W. Bush 402 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: they tend to at least have a little bit of 403 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: fear of electoral consequences. And Trump just kinda he just 404 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: he draws so much attention unto himself that I think 405 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: other fucked up things that happen have get less attention. 406 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at, And so I wonder if 407 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: like he's been able to get away with even more 408 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: damaging bigoted ship even though I don't think he's personally 409 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: all that motivated by hatred of LGBT people. I think 410 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: he's just doesn't. Yeah, that's why they love him so much, 411 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: because everything slips off him so easily, and he does 412 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: consume the attention, and so, yeah, all these things can 413 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: happen under the radar because everyone's talking about co fefe 414 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. He believes that hard and very much. But 415 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: if it benefits him to take up a cause of 416 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: some sort, you know, yeah, yeah, I think it's ego 417 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: and it's yeah they use Yeah. I think his actual 418 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: personal level of bigot Tree is like seventies bigot Tree, 419 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: where he holds like all of the basic attitudes about 420 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: different different groups of people that were on TV in 421 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: the seventies. Forgive the comparison. It's spun style racism. Yeah, 422 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: he's just like your crappy uncle, Like he's just an 423 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: old man who's just you know, oh, hey, that's weird. 424 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: I don't get it, Like, yeah, you know, oh so 425 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: that's what you're doing, Okay, weird, and I think like 426 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: if he was surrounded by people who were similarly kind 427 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: of whatever about everything, he would not be like an 428 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: active bigot. Yeah. I don't think he's like a bigot 429 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: in the way that like his you know, Klansman awful 430 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: that was. He's certainly not like a full blown Nazi 431 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: like um, thank god he's with a number vice president 432 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: somehow cool Um Biden. He's he's not like a Christian extremist, Yeah, 433 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: he's not. He's not a full blown diminionist. He's not 434 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: like you know, going to bathe the country and the 435 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: cleansing blood of you know, Lord God Christ or anything, 436 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: and like, you know, yeah, I don't think. I don't 437 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: think he wants to like open up death camps necessarily, um, 438 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: which just other kinds of camp. He would, he would 439 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: at least he would do all these things if the 440 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: right group of people convinced them to, which is pretty easy. 441 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, this is what's happening. Yeah, on his own, 442 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: the only death camps he'll set up are ones that 443 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: are more or less where the death is a byproduct 444 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: of the other horrible ship he's trying to do. And 445 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: the fact that he's like a buffoonish, incompetent dullard who 446 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: can't anything right because he manufactures death camps, not always intentionally, 447 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: like about half the time, it's just because he was 448 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: making some other kind of camp that's he's made, which 449 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: bad we shouldn't have present section. Yeah, there's there's there's 450 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: no real I guess direction to this other than us 451 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: like stumbling through. So let's let's this is nice. Let's 452 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: talk about, um, what it is like the organization you 453 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: you represent as the Socialist Rifle Association, which I talked 454 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: about a couple of times on a number of my podcasts. Um, 455 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious what you see is sort of 456 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: the intersection of of your interest in uh self defense 457 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: and community self defense and what we're seeing right now 458 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: out of the administration in terms of like bigoted policies. 459 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: So um, you know, uh boy, that's asked me a 460 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of easy questions. Uma, So you know one I 461 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: will always say, you know, the s r A is 462 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: very complex and multifaceted organization because you have like you know, 463 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm down the DFW area and you know our chapter 464 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: here is, Um, I'm going to get a lot of 465 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: bull if I I don't say this very smartly. Um, 466 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're a very um you know, if 467 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: if you're a leftist, you're gonna know what this means. 468 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: So I apologize to people who don't know all the lingo. 469 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: You know, we're a very lib left you know, anarchist 470 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: shaped you know kind of group. We're not all that. 471 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: You know, We've got more people who are very state heavy, 472 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: who love their more structural stuff. Sure, great, cool whatever, 473 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: And then you have other places where it's more you know, 474 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: oh they love their marks, they love their little round glasses. Um, 475 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm giving people ship. Um you know, sure, But like 476 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: we're a very diverse organization ideologically, we're also a very 477 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: diverse organization. Um you in terms of identity, We've got 478 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: a lot of cists people. We've got a lot of 479 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: trans people, have a lot of straight gay, you know, 480 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: lesbian this that another thing kind of folks and um, 481 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I like about 482 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: us is that I think, on on a root level, 483 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: everybody in the s A understands the importance of community 484 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: to defense and um, you know, intercommunalism and the idea 485 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: that like it's not enough to you know, just be 486 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: able to if someone comes on your door, you can 487 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: you can get him with your gun, because that's some 488 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: like you know, libertarian soldier of fortune crap, like that's 489 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: that's goofy, that's that's also you know, dangerous. You're gonna 490 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: yourself that Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I've had some 491 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: I've had some quarrels with a couple of FedEx guys. 492 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, then there's the mail man. But as a 493 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: general rule, yeah, I wouldn't think that as a reasonable 494 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: primary reason to own arms. And like that's one part 495 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: of it worries me is a lot about a lot 496 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: of the people asking me for gun advice, is that, 497 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: like they're clearly worried about like protecting their home with 498 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: a thing that they're just gonna buy because it's a 499 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: totem against fear um. And I'm very hesitant to advise 500 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: people to to to buy fear totems. Being a Texan, 501 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: I grew up around guns. I I you know, they're 502 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: just a thing that you can have, and it's like 503 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: it's like a kitchen knife on the counter. The thing 504 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: on its own is not that dangerous, and the hands 505 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: of someone who doesn't know how to wield one, they're 506 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: gonna cut your fingers off. And I know, like if 507 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: you're from somewhere else, if you have different view of 508 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: things that, yeah, well you know sure, I'm not gonna whatever. UM. 509 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: And in the s r A, you know, we have 510 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: a very geographically and culturally diverse group of people who 511 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, don't have who have different levels of comfort 512 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: with that. And in terms of community defense, UM, we're 513 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: much more uniform in that. You know, it is up 514 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: to all of us to take care of all of us, 515 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: and it is up to all of us to make 516 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: sure that you know, we don't turn towards bigotry, We 517 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: don't turn towards you know. Hey, UM, you know, my 518 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: ability to feel safe is more important than your actual safety. UM, 519 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: my feeling of autonomy is more important than your personhood. 520 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: And UM, you know, for whatever disagreements we might have 521 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: as members for UM, whatever ideological differences we have, I 522 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: want to I hope I believe that is something that 523 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: is UM that unites us all as as members in 524 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: the s r A UM, and I hope it continue 525 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: us too, because I will say, and this is maybe 526 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: a little inside baseball, but maybe our president and vice 527 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: president hopefully won't be mad at me for saying, um 528 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: that while while this has been going on, um, you know, 529 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: everything with COVID nineteen and the quarantine and the current 530 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, political moment um. I will say, our our 531 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: our membership has been going up. Are are You can 532 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: look at our Twitter. Our follower numbers have been going 533 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: up a lot. Interesting, The ray has been going up 534 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: a lot. People are worried and they're reaching out to 535 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: to the left. And I'm sure, and I'll tell you now, 536 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure that the n A can say the same. 537 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure the INTERA is like, oh man, people are 538 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: super interesting guns. I will be really curious. I haven't 539 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: actually looked at the INN. If the INTERA has posted 540 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: new membership numbers, I'm wondering. I feel like I've lived 541 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: through a lot of gun buying panics, as I know 542 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: you have. Eva. I remember the first big one of 543 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: my life was in two thousand eight, two tho nine, 544 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: when President Obama was elected and then sworn in because 545 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: of I shouldn't need to say a bunch of sists 546 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: were scared that a black guy was president and in 547 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: the world was ending um and then most of the 548 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: gun buying panics that have happened over the years since then, 549 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: We're like, there's a big one after um Adam Lanza 550 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: shot up that the Sandy Hook Elementary School because people 551 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: were scared of a gun band. Um they tend to 552 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: spike after really big massacres, or they didn't after the 553 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: Vegas shooting, which is this is getting like it's weird. UM. 554 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: There's some suspicion as to why, but UM, as a 555 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: general rule, it's either racism or fear of liberals that 556 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: sparks UM gun runs. This is the first gun run 557 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: I've seen that wasn't sparked by that, And I wonder 558 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: if we're not seeing a larger chunk of this one 559 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: being driven by people who are are liberals, are on 560 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: the left, as opposed to um UM being driven primarily 561 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: by like frightened conservatives. Like I'm very curious as to 562 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: how many of those gun buyers actually got in our 563 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: A memberships and how many of them were people who 564 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: just it's it's both a good and a bad thing. 565 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I do wonder, and I actually think 566 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: it Okay, So you mentioned the stocking earlier. I'm gonna 567 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: actually kind of look at it from like a almost 568 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: an economic standpoint, because like if you're sending you know, 569 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: because I look at because what gets me is the 570 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: ammunition side of it, because you cannot find like five, five, 571 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: six of all things, which is stupidly common, right, it's 572 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: the bullet that goes in an A R fifteen. Yeah, 573 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: as a general m DESI general really a um. And 574 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: you know if you're in Texas, that's you need even 575 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: this stuff. It's everywhere, um, and you can't. They sold 576 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand round buckets for three grand when I was 577 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: back there, and and for it to be just missing, 578 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: that means there are people buying it in places that 579 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: normally it's not getting bought, Like there there's a demand 580 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: shock for what's I mean, I think you guys talked 581 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: about demand shock in the show before, so I can 582 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: just say that word now. It's fine, um, but there's 583 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: there's people buying it in places and amounts that normally 584 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: there's just not a demand for it, which yees to 585 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: me implies that like there's now a demographic shift and 586 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: who's buying this stuff, which on some level is like 587 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: kind of I guess worrying because it's like, yeah, there's 588 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: there's probably more just loose ammunition in this country per 589 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: capita than there's been just the Revolutionary War. I have 590 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of it on my desk. Yeah, I mean 591 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: just I mean that that's the thought that like, I 592 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: really can't put a feeling to um, and it's kind 593 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: of hard not to, like, I just don't know how 594 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: to feel about that, Like it's really Yeah, I'll say 595 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: it's a transgender two it sucks. Yeah, it's it's not 596 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: a plague. It blows. You mentioned you mentioned the years 597 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: of the plague. I'm gonna pour some bev here just quickly. 598 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: It blows. Yeah, it's what is um? Uh. This is 599 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: is not brought to you by Woodford Reserves of the Bourbons. 600 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: It's one of them. Yeah, which brings us back to 601 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: our topic of the worst you're ever topic at hand. 602 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: And I will say, like that is um and I 603 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: think it is related to the trans thing, probably because 604 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, if this gets worse and they're people talking like, oh, 605 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: we're flattening, flattening the curves, flattening curves, flattening the curves. Um. 606 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: You can watch TV. There are people pouring into churches 607 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: right now. There are people saying there's no plague there's 608 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: no plague. We'll we'll see. Um, we're supposed to be 609 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: hitting the peak now and and some places are just 610 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: getting started. Yeah. That's the scary thing is it's looking 611 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: like sucking. Michigan's probably what twelve days out from their peace. Believable, 612 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: Their numbers are already horrible. Whatever happens today, Yeah, there's 613 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: there's no telling. Um, we're not we're not going to know. 614 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: And if things if things get worse, you know, people 615 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: are going to get mad. Hopefully people get mad at 616 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: the people in power. Hopefully people get mad at the 617 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: people who let them with fingers fucking crossed. Yeah. Yeah, 618 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: but if if the people in power needs someone to blame, 619 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: if if the churches need someone to blame, they're going 620 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: to say, well it's it's you know, it's the people 621 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: who bathe. That's what always happens. That's that's how the 622 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: song always goes. Yeah, you're referring to the episode of 623 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards I just did when we talk about 624 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: why Jewish people were targeted during the Black Death and 625 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: because not as many of them died because they bathed 626 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: every week and Christians didn't you know, um, because it 627 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: was gross in the past. Yeah, and for what you're 628 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: seeing this happen. Yeah, yeah, story today about the you know, 629 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: Jewish gatherings and stuff being zoom bombed by people with 630 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: anti Semitic messages and yeah trans community already. But yeah, 631 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: and that guy. There's just video again today of like 632 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: a dude in front of the Chinese consul in Australia 633 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: with a bull whip, like shouting race hatred. Um, that's cool, cool, 634 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: just like his just like it's cool, hero, just like 635 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: just like our buddy Hitler. I shouldn't call him our buddy. 636 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: I really gotta I gotta break that. Shouldn't say that 637 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: I gotta recalibrate some things after doing the show that 638 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: I do, just like just like that one person in 639 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: history who also had a bull whip. Yeah, of course 640 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: about I don't really have a joke. This is just 641 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: a bad thing that's happening. Yeah, So I do think 642 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: it's important to like, uh, yeah, there's when when we 643 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: talk about stuff like this, it's important to both like, um, 644 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: keep in mind like the things that are are specific 645 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: to like this individual group that's struggling, whether you're talking 646 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: about like racism against Asian Americans or like you know, 647 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: anti trans policies being pursued by the government, Like it's 648 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: important to talk about how those things are like, how 649 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: those trials being faced by those communities are unique. But 650 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: I also think like it's important to recognize that the 651 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: attacks to both of those communities have the same point 652 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: of origin, which is like, and it's not like an individual. 653 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: There are individuals that we can look at as as 654 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: like inflection points for that, but it's like it's a feeling, 655 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: and it's a feeling that has been deliberately cultivated like 656 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: a garden in the hearts of millions. Um. And that's 657 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: the thing that's going to kill a lot more people 658 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: than the coronavirus. And I would say, I would say 659 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: a majority of the people who have died of the coronavirus. 660 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: There's numbers coming out right now suggesting like se of 661 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: the dead and Louisiana are black. Where there's all these 662 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: systemic reasons why that's the case. Um. I didn't come 663 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: on here to say that the solution to fighting all 664 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: of these things as bullets, because I don't think that 665 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: it is. But I'm sure open to anyone who has 666 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: an idea of like how we how we fix this uh, 667 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: should we just can we ban Facebook first? I would 668 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,479 Speaker 1: be a good start. Yeah. I mean the bullets aren't 669 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: a solution for obviously. I think it's um the comfort, 670 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: it's a preparation, preparation. I was one of the people 671 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: that reached out to you when this started, Robert, you know, 672 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: should we get a handgun? Thankfully I did ask you 673 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: when you were like not now, like not the time, 674 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: like you know, like you're gonna do this. Don't just 675 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: buy a handgun so you have or yeah, yeah, don't 676 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 1: get a fear to yeah, don't be literally an episode 677 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: of The Simpsons, Yeah yeah, Hey, Now, Homer developed a 678 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of fun uses for his gun that I denticate 679 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: to They're great for turning off lights, which we need 680 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: to start mushrooms. Thank you, dig up mushrooms, your mushroom life. 681 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: I think that's about all we had to talk about 682 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: for today. UM So, this has been a fun discussion 683 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: about how when the authoritarians in power pushed to marginalize 684 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: groups of people based on big tree, it will inevitably 685 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: lead to death on an almost unimaginable scale if it 686 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: isn't immediately and uh strongly resisted, and there's a variety 687 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: of strategies to doing that, which Sophie make a note 688 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: that's the title of the episode. Fun you know, like 689 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: I said, a nice light topic for a nice like 690 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: we in a nice light year. Yeah, yeah, we we 691 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: are planning to do some more episodes where we focus 692 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: on different communities and areas being affected that you might 693 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: not immediately realize, to try to expand awareness and yeah, 694 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: get it. We need to be listening, We need to 695 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: be paying attention. And the thing you can do, the 696 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: most important that you can do, and this is while 697 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: you're stuck online, is if you see someone saying, hi, 698 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not not high or whatever, if I'm 699 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: a if you're a transgender person who's saying, you know, 700 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: something that seems angry, that seems frustrated, don't be put 701 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: off by the tone, don't be put off by whateverything. 702 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: Listen to what's actually being said, because there's gonna be anger, 703 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: there's gonna be frustration, there's gonna be hurt, there's going 704 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: to be years of pent up whatever. Trust me, it's 705 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: going to be years of it, um, But there's going 706 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: to be truth in that experience, and you have to 707 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: you have to listen now more than ever because it's 708 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: going to get worse. Things are going to get worse, 709 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: and we have a reminder. Yeah, it's so easy to 710 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: get wrapped up in in everything that we are experiencing 711 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: and online there's this veneer like it's we're connected, but 712 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: we're anonymous, we're separate. We we are not actually sharing 713 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: each other's pain that easily. You know, you have to 714 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: just stop and take a step back and not knee 715 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: jerk react to things, which is something that I especially 716 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: need to do. I mean we all need to. I 717 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: don't say that in like a preacher way. I mean 718 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: it is a reminder to myself. As Eva stated, things 719 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: are going to get worse. And follow us on Twitter? Yes, yeah, 720 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: even what's your Twitter handle on Twitter to guarantee that 721 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: things get I mean, well, if you're gonna, if you're 722 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: if for whatever on godly reason, you're gonna go on Twitter. 723 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: Um you can you can find me at Po River 724 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: jam Band p O River jam Band on on the 725 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: Twitter website, Um, if you want to. And and again 726 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: just you know, let's listen to what people have to 727 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: say and you know, be there for each other and 728 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: you the people who are who are less powerful than 729 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: you are going to be there for you. People who 730 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: are more profer than you should be there for you. 731 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: It's not about social capital, it's not about political capital. 732 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: It's just about it's about we've got to be there 733 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: for each other because it's it's going to get rough 734 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: out there and all we're gonna have is each other. 735 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: So do that. Just try to try to be less, 736 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: try to be less of what we've been. I guess 737 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 1: so do that? Can we all just take it down 738 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: and notch? Yeah? Just just be cool for like ten 739 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: and see how that feels. Well, you can see how 740 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: we feel on Twitter. I don't know why I keep 741 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: bringing this back to plugging our Twitter, but you just 742 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: want all of us to be swimming around in that 743 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: slop of a Twitter pig pen. You can find none 744 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: of us on Twitter, fucking go outside, but also people, 745 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, on Twitter, on Instagram at Worst your pod, 746 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 1: you can follow Katie at Katie Stool. You can follow 747 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: Robert at I Right, Okay, you can follow Cody at 748 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: dr Mr Cody and you should go washer here. So 749 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: Everything I Tried, Worst Year Ever is a production of 750 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio 751 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,240 Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever 752 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.