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Speaker 1: Welcome to the gear Talk podcast. I'm here your honest MATELUS,

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Speaker 1: and it's my co host Jordan Budd is here as well.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking UM, and we're not talking, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna answer listener questions UM. As a reminder, if you

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Speaker 1: But tell us, Jordan, you're ready to go. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: to rock, man, Let's just get right in. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is a good one that everybody thinks about this one

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Speaker 1: a lot. Uh. Garrett Backman rode in and ask us,

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Speaker 1: what do you recommend for headlamps? Flashlights? Go for it.

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Speaker 1: I can say I don't really carry a flashlight. UM,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have a good one for for flashlights specifically,

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Speaker 1: But last year I started using a headlamp called the

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Speaker 1: petsel Actic Core, and uh, it's it's a rechargeable. It

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Speaker 1: actually has these little square batteries flipping the back, and

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Speaker 1: that little battery has like a USB two point oh

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Speaker 1: attachment on it, so you can plug it in and

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Speaker 1: charge the battery. So you can have multiple batteries that

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Speaker 1: you can keep switching back and forth to keep them,

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Speaker 1: you know, the charged one and keep flipping it. Or

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Speaker 1: if that you run out of those or your battery

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Speaker 1: goes dead or whatever, you can take that out and

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Speaker 1: still use triple A batteries inside of it. So a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a redundancy thing there. Um, and it's

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Speaker 1: pretty sweet. I love the thing. Super has three settings

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Speaker 1: for brightness, and the brightest one is like really bright,

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Speaker 1: Like it's as bright as any headlamp I've ever I've

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Speaker 1: ever had. And uh, if it if it gets to

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Speaker 1: where it's like starting to time out on the top one,

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Speaker 1: it'll just it'll flash once and it'll just kick you

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Speaker 1: down to the next setting, So it won't just die

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Speaker 1: all together, it'll it'll just kick you down to the

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Speaker 1: next light setting. So I've had super good luck with that.

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Speaker 1: I love that thing, and it's not it's not it's

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Speaker 1: not too big around these just giant. I know this

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Speaker 1: guy done in Arkansas carries around the head lamp. It's

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Speaker 1: so heavy it's got to be mounted to a helmet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm talking about I'm talking about Clay. Those

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Speaker 1: are sun spotlights. I own one. It is absolutely the

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Speaker 1: ship when you're out there a coon hunting. Clay likes

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Speaker 1: to carry coon light just generally in the back country

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Speaker 1: wherever he is. It's a little too much for me

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Speaker 1: to carry. I just don't feel like I need, you know,

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Speaker 1: a being that can shoot four yards um. That being said,

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Speaker 1: it's got a lot to say about this. I used

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Speaker 1: to always carry I think it was a sog some

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Speaker 1: kind of a torch, you know that use those like

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Speaker 1: super high dollar batteries like the the the CR one

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Speaker 1: two three's. Is that what it was. Yeah, he used

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Speaker 1: a couple of those, and then a couple of times

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Speaker 1: it came in handy route finding when it's like it

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Speaker 1: gets dark on you. You got into some place that

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're like looking around

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Speaker 1: country and I would pull out this you know super

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Speaker 1: beam light and all of a sudden, you can you know,

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Speaker 1: little grassy ramp that gets me out of the spot

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Speaker 1: like in the last whatever four or five years, I

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Speaker 1: if I'm going into actually did a hunt this year

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Speaker 1: that was like that. Like we went up in the

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Speaker 1: dark and it was sketchy, like we found a literal

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Speaker 1: goat trail more probably a deer trail, but it was sketchy. Um.

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Speaker 1: The guy I was with actually gets a little bit

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Speaker 1: of things to check out. But I've been using for

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Speaker 1: very similar to yours, except I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: actually I don't know if you can get separate batteries

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Speaker 1: to charge up for it, which is a which is

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Speaker 1: a smart move, but it does you can't take the

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Speaker 1: batteries out and drop in some triple a's uh when

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Speaker 1: you need to in a pinch. What I like about

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Speaker 1: way that you're just gonna get the life out of it.

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Speaker 1: But I found that on full week long hunts, six

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Speaker 1: seven days using it every day in the morning for

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Speaker 1: you know, an hour or more every day, and even

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Speaker 1: for an hour or more, and that includes you know,

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Speaker 1: time in the field or if you get back and

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Speaker 1: prep and gear for the next day whatever. It might be.

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Speaker 1: Certainly several two to three hours a day, um, maybe longer.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like I've been very surpleasantly surprised that

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Speaker 1: I've yet to be on a you know, anything under

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Speaker 1: hunt where I've lost battery or you know, maybe towards

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Speaker 1: the end you like you said, it will kind of

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Speaker 1: drop down in settings and you'll be using like a

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Speaker 1: dimmer light. But again, very impressed that it lasts, um,

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Speaker 1: uh the whole time, and that uh, that black diamond

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Speaker 1: one that I've been using has a mini USB to

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Speaker 1: charge it, and my uh you know battery packs that

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Speaker 1: I carry also have mini USB, so off a one

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Speaker 1: battery pack. You know, I'm charging my phone, my head lamp, um,

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Speaker 1: that thing. Now. I don't know if you've heard, but man,

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Speaker 1: there's a new one out that I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what they're calling. Yeah, they're calling it it's a communicator. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: I've left it on now it's been going for like

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Speaker 1: four weeks. What yeah, yeah, it's a little black box.

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Speaker 1: Just because I wanted to see because they're claiming it's

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Speaker 1: like twenty eight days, and I think that's what it's

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Speaker 1: when I'm going line hunting. That way, it's just on.

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Speaker 1: And if it really comes down to an emergency situation

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Speaker 1: where I need it in a pinch, I don't have

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Speaker 1: my phone, go to the messenger app and and I'll

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Speaker 1: be you know, sending out a message. But it's incredible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got mine from Buddy Woodberry over it uh W

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Speaker 1: Hunting Supply, which which is where I get all my

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Speaker 1: hound hunting gear, leashes, leashes, and the antenna's mostly because

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Speaker 1: Mingus is an antenna schuer. Although this last one he

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be chewing on. I'm gonna look over

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Speaker 1: right now, it's gonna be chewing on his antenna. But

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Speaker 1: um yeah, the uh we should talk about that at

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Speaker 1: another time more. But it's incredible. The battery life, which

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Speaker 1: is just comes back to how I don't need to

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Speaker 1: use my brick anymore to charge up my inn reached device,

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Speaker 1: which leaves more energy left charge up my phone in

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Speaker 1: my head lamp, which I'm telling you I had over

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Speaker 1: a week long hunt. I haven't had to charge it

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Speaker 1: up um this one. Have you had similar luck with

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Speaker 1: that Petzel? Yeah? Similar luck probably. I think the longest

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Speaker 1: then at that time, you couldn't take you couldn't put

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Speaker 1: different batteries in. It was kind of that's what you had.

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Speaker 1: And uh. Yeah this, I think they they've come leaps

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Speaker 1: kind of as a whole. I think batteries are getting better.

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Speaker 1: a charge longer, just you know, just like you were

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Speaker 1: to headlamps? Do you carry back up? Ever? Yes? I do. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. I believe it's called

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Speaker 1: the petzel E light. The light, Yeah, we use the

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Speaker 1: same one then. Yeah, I mean it's I mean, does

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Speaker 1: it even weigh an ounce? No, No, there's nothing to it,

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Speaker 1: and you can just like I usually have mine in

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Speaker 1: my vinyl harness and sometimes it's nice, like when you're

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Speaker 1: but it's nice. It's kind of like it's a softer light,

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Speaker 1: um like the adjustable band that comes with it. It's

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Speaker 1: any use. No, I mean, and that's what it does there. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of gear. I feel like when you're

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Speaker 1: pack so much more than it actually gets used. Um.

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Speaker 1: But last time I pulled that out my buddy Joe

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Speaker 1: and elk hunt where we drew tags in Colorado's uh

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Speaker 1: nine after like I don't know eleven or twelve years

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Speaker 1: But we get in there, we hunted out, didn't see

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Speaker 1: your guest, Jordan. But I know that with my the

424
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: six thirty three and the seven thirty three that I

425
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: just bought this year, both of them will get tall

426
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: enough with the center post that for me as a

427
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: six two person, you know, if I sort of spread

428
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: my legs out or you know, bend my knees a

429
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 1: little bit, I can look straight through my binoculars um

430
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: off of them. Uh. The sixth series is, like you said,

431
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: a little bit light, a little bit wobbly. Seventh series

432
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: to me is just perfect. It gets a little bit heavier. Um,

433
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: but again it's like when it when it, when it

434
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: really matters and you're trying to get a good look

435
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: at something, you're gonna be happy that you have the

436
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: stability of the seven. The eight, UM, I just don't

437
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: use it that much. Um Uh. It's just if I

438
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: knew that was only going to be looking, you know,

439
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: next to the truck and jumping out of the truck

440
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: and setting up a tripod, I would use the eights.

441
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Or if I had just some really giant glass which

442
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't own, anything like the co of Big Eyes

443
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: or any of those big dogs, it would come those

444
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: would come into use more often. So um, that's how

445
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: they work. My recommendation is the seven series. Um, you

446
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: can either go seven thirty three or seven thirty four.

447
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: If you go with the four section legs, it's gonna

448
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: come out to roughly probably the same total height, but

449
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: because there's four sections, it becomes more compact, so I

450
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: have compact versions. I don't know if it's necessarily any better,

451
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: because where the tripod lives on my backpack, it can

452
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: be another six or eight inches longer and it's still

453
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: just fine being there. Like, I don't need it necessarily

454
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: shorter because it lives in either you know, a long

455
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: pocket on the outside or just strapped to the outside

456
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: of the pack anyway, so it can pretty much be

457
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: as long as the pack and not really getting in

458
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: my way. Um. But both of those trying to get

459
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: back to telling, um, telling how the dB sports from

460
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: what a what a decent tripod is. It won't break

461
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: the bank, but I wanted to explain that. So if

462
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: you're looking, you kind of know what you're looking at. Uh.

463
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: Those two come in right the six four two pounds,

464
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: thirty four is two and a half pounds. Uh. Both

465
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna find it right in that to fifty range

466
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: plus for minus ten twucks. Um. So that's just for

467
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: the legs, and I think it that's a great deal

468
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: for just the legs. UM. For what you're getting, Like

469
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: I said, I've got a set that are almost twenty

470
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: years old and are still rocking. UM. And you're gonna

471
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: do better glassing and you're gonna just have a better

472
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: product if you buy yourself a nice head. Uh. Like

473
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: Jordan's said, there's that doors and pain and head at UM.

474
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I tried out this fall and was very happy using

475
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: the Surui. I don't know how to product or something

476
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: cru s I r Ui the v A five at

477
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty bucks. It was just over a pound.

478
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: So your total kit is um, you know, still well

479
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: under four pounds UM or just over three pounds depending

480
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: on which legs you go with, and you're just gonna

481
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: have a much better glassing experience by going with a

482
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: nice head like that. Total price you're gonna be in

483
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: at about four hundred dollars. You know. I don't know

484
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: if that might break the bank for some If you're

485
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: already spending two fifty, I think you can spend the

486
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: extra one fifty and really get yourself something solid. Uh,

487
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna really do do the job right. Yeah,

488
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: And that I've heard there's like quite a few of

489
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: Buddy or whatever a minor running that v A five

490
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: head and they love it. And um, I haven't personally

491
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: ran it, but there's another one to that that I

492
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: ran for a while. It's called the ben Row S

493
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: two and it's a little bit smaller than the v

494
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: A five UM, and it's not gonna it's not gonna

495
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: handle really big optics well like nine five or something

496
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: like that, but like your standard like eighty millimeter spot

497
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be fine for um And that is right,

498
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: it's right, and around that it's cheaper than a hundred

499
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: fifty bucks it might be closer to a hundred or like, um,

500
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: but I think like that is like the best bang

501
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: for your buck is like that six thirty four or

502
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: even the twenty four UM with like that v A

503
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: five head, Like if you want the best bang for

504
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: your buck, that's gonna last a long time. I think that.

505
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: I think that's where it's at. And um, like you said,

506
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: you've been using your six three or four forever and

507
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: it's still kicking, Like it's not something that's just gonna

508
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to repurchase in a couple of years,

509
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: like it's gonna kind of I don't know. This is

510
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: one thing I've just I've gone to where I have to,

511
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: Like you're just switching heads all the time and changing

512
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: tripods and trying to sell and buy new ones, and

513
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: it's like, if you just get a good system to

514
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: start with, you're going to be so much happier. Mm hmmm. Yeah.

515
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: And those heads they all come with a with a

516
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: plate or two when you buy the head, and then

517
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: you can just buy another plate or two depend on

518
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: how many other things you're gonna put on the tripod

519
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: that you can then just attach to those things so

520
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: that way it's quick to go between binocular spotting, scope,

521
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: shooting rests, uh, you know, whatever else you might be

522
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: plopping on top of your your set of sticks. And

523
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: I do want to say, like like there's ways to

524
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: get around the flimsiness of um of like the lighter tripods, uh,

525
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: keeping them low to the ground, you know, not opening

526
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: it up fully. So again that's why it's like it

527
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: depends on like you've got to know what you're using

528
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: it for and like if you can sacrifice the weight,

529
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 1: because even on a sheet punt, it's like, Okay, you're

530
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: probably just gonna use the binoculars to find the sheep

531
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: um and then you're gonna put that spotter on that

532
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: tripod and you're just gonna you know, then take the

533
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: time to like study a sheep. It's probably not moving

534
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: too much. It's just there. So it's okay to set

535
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: it up very low to the ground because the higher

536
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: goes like the whole thing just starts shaking more and

537
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: the more the wind is going to affect it. So

538
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: keep it lower. It's gonna be more stable and the

539
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: less wind is gonna hit it. You can get you know,

540
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: find yourself a wind block, build yourself, a wind block,

541
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: whatever it takes. So there's there's ways around it. Um

542
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: that can you know, justify you know, the lighter tripod

543
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: which is whatever it is a half a pound and um,

544
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: I'll remind you that a half a pound for one

545
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: item doesn't seem like that it's that much. But when

546
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: you do half a pound here and then another half

547
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: a pound there, and next thing you know, you've shaved

548
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: ten pounds off your pack, and that is a lot. Yeah,

549
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: and it helps with the bulk, to which I've really

550
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: appreciated the last couple of years of trying to trying

551
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: to lighten stuff up. It just really helps with your

552
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: your overall pack size and bulk. Um. Yeah, I think

553
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: like some of these new slick tripods, to the newer

554
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: versions of them, they have a little hook on the

555
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: bottom of the center post that you can like hang

556
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, like your backpack strap or whatever. You

557
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: could put it on there, or a bag of rocks

558
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: or something if you needed to think that. That's how

559
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: they sell it is like it's makes meant to hold

560
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: put like to add a weight to it and to

561
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: just stabilize your whole system. And uh so yeah, when

562
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: you see that hook, don't take it off because it

563
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: might come in here. Sweet all right, I think we

564
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: got time for one more. Um. I think the Yeah.

565
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: The question we get a ton of and circulates around

566
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: is rifle calibers. So we have a question from James

567
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Boulet and he says, I'm looking to expand to a

568
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: guided mule deer hunt in moose hunt. In my question,

569
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: do y'all is caliber? I use a three O eight

570
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: for white tail deer in Connecticut as farthest shot maybe

571
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards, and that's extremely far for his state. However,

572
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: going out west and up north, I can see shooting

573
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: around two hundred yards. What caliber do you guys slash

574
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: girls use free your hunts. There's a lot of talk

575
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: of these new high BC rounds such as the seven

576
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: PRC and three prc um. I'm not sure if these

577
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: rounds will stay around or not. I do reload all

578
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: of my own ammunition from nine mil to three o eight.

579
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: And he's looking for professional input as to the best

580
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: all around cartridge that he can use for big game

581
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: and what we use. And he also says he believes

582
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: he's seen Mr Ronnella using Savage High Country rifle. I

583
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: can't comment on the last part. I think, yeah, just

584
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: comment on that. I can't. We certain we for a

585
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: while we had a deal with Savage. We used their rifles. Uh.

586
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: They were great. Uh. We were pleasantly surprised that just

587
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: about all of them with factory emma would would shoot,

588
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, right around an inch. Um. I can't remember

589
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: the name of the model. I think it was the

590
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: one ten um. Whether or not they still make it,

591
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. But Steve's now using a couple of

592
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: different weather it be Mark fives. The reason he's us

593
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: the Mark five is because they offer that in a

594
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: left handed version, where that vanguard met eatter doesn't come

595
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: in left handed version. UM can you speak to the

596
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: new high Is he right in saying that people are

597
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: calling the seven million PRC and THRC higher BC? I'm not,

598
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: because that's just gonna be your bullet, Like yeah, that's

599
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: how I understand it too, just like Wisbeye cartridges, you know, like, yeah,

600
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: they got more, They got a lot of a lot

601
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: of powder behind them. Um. BC stands for ballistic coefficient,

602
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: which is basically the shape of the bullet and how

603
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: it reacts to the air That is going through the

604
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: higher the BC basically the sleeker it is and the

605
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: less it's being slowed down or the less drags being

606
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: imparted on it as it flies through the air. That's

607
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: a real basic version of it. So I don't think

608
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: that somehow, because there's a new cartridge behind a seven

609
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: millimeter bullet that's gonna make it a higher BC. So

610
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: it might be just a little bit confused there. I

611
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: don't know much about those. I know that the six

612
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: and the six five PRC have been you know, a

613
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: lot of fanfare the last five years, and it seems

614
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: like the seven millimeter and are equally going to be

615
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: getting some excitement. Um. I'm sure they're great. I'm sure

616
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: they're probably better for whatever reason accuracy, um, you know,

617
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: burn rate of powder or whatever it might be. Um,

618
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I've kind of fallen out of like the super tentable, uh,

619
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, different calibers conversation. It's is one of those

620
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: is one of those things that just fell out the

621
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: wayside when um I had kids. So I'm hoping that

622
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: once that slows down a little bit, I'll be able

623
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: to like mess around with that more. Um. But yeah,

624
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're great. Rounds. But honestly, the three oh eight,

625
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: I believe he's already got a gun that he can

626
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: go hunting out west with and uh and easily shoot

627
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: if he's if he's only shooting shooting out to three

628
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: hundred yards UM, then uh like easily can do that. Uh.

629
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: You know, you could just bump up to a hundred

630
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: eighty grain or I'm guessing you can load a three

631
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: oh a win with a two grain bullet um and

632
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: that would be plenty for for a moose or mule

633
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: deer out to the you know, three yard range. Um. Yeah, yeah,

634
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: I agree, I think like, especially for a mule deer hunt,

635
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: that's plenty, uh like a moose. I haven't been on

636
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Speaker 1: a lot of moose hunts, um, but if I were

637
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Speaker 1: going to go on a moose hunt, I think I

638
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Speaker 1: would want to go to probably like a three hundred

639
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Speaker 1: win or even just a regular seven mag um. We

640
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Speaker 1: always so like I used to work for a company.

641
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: It was a rifle company. It was they mostly were

642
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Speaker 1: like a on the long range deal. But you know

643
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: they they really like to push like a seven mag

644
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: Like that's big cartridge um and you can handle the

645
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: recoil better than like a three D win so you're

646
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: able to track your shot, like when you shoot, you

647
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: just don't get like if you have to make a

648
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: follow up shot. It's just something that you can shoot

649
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: better and like more confident too. You can just reload

650
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: and get on target faster, so you're not dealing with

651
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: a ton of recoil. Um. Yeah, it's really like a

652
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: lot of the new like you know the whiz Bane

653
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: cartridges and things we're talking about that I just don't

654
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Speaker 1: get super like ballistically nerded out on a lot of

655
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: that stuff. Um. I try to keep it pretty pretty simple,

656
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think I mean in the in the

657
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: in the end, like the performance difference at three yards

658
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: cartridges is just not gonna be enough to make a difference.

659
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Speaker 1: Where what makes a difference is how how you shoot

660
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: the rifle, how you shoot the round, if you can

661
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: handle the recoil, if you're confident putting the bullet where

662
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Speaker 1: it needs to go. Now, obviously you can't go and

663
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: be shooting moose with you could, but I wouldn't recommend

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Speaker 1: doing it with anything under probably a seven millimeter, which

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Speaker 1: would be like a two. Right, you can shoot I'm

666
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: sure you can shoot him with uh six fives and

667
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: and get the job done. But something big, something bigger

668
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: is just gonna have a little bit more impact and

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Speaker 1: allow for a little bit more variance in your shot

670
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Speaker 1: placement and still get the job done. So we're not

671
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Speaker 1: advocating to go super small, but I do advocate that, like,

672
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: you just got to be comfortable with your gun. No,

673
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: you're a gun, and make sure that you're not just

674
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Speaker 1: like way too under. You can't really be weight to

675
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: you over because if the goal is to kill something,

676
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: you can do it. But you can't get too over

677
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: and have too much recoil which causes you to flinch

678
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: and you're not making good shots. Um it can uh

679
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: way too big of a gun gets more expensive to shoot.

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00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. So and I don't know, I think he

681
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: was just asking about caliber. We can cover off on

682
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: gun models later. The only thing I would say too,

683
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: is like there's a lot of manufacturers out there pushing

684
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: super not necessarily pushing, but making super light stuff. Man.

685
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: I tell everybody, like, just lose a couple of pounds

686
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: off your belly instead of the gun. You're gonna end

687
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: up carrying the same amount of weight. Um, and you're

688
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: gonna more than likely gonna shoot the heavier gun a

689
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: little bit better. Those heavier rifles just sit still for

690
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: you and they don't wobble around those These light rifles

691
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: can be much more difficult to shoot. Just like we

692
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: were talking about the tripods. You know, win can start

693
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: a effecting that you're just gonna see it in the crosshairs,

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00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, all of you know, unless you've got your

695
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: shooting form down perfectly, you know, the torque is going

696
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: to affect the gun more lots of different variables, um So,

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00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: And you pay for the lighter, lighter guns. So I

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00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: would definitely recommend that you know, by a lighter tripod.

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00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: You know, figure out your backpack in some other way

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00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: to get it lighter. Like I said, just I feel

701
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: like the hunters out there, it could probably pretty easily

702
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: lose five uh pounds of extra weight they're just carrying

703
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: on their body versus having take trying to spend you know,

704
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: thousand dollars will lose it on their rifle. Um Like

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00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: I said, the heavier rifle is just easier to shoot

706
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: more accurately. Yeah. Yeah, Another thing I want to touch

707
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: on with calibers too. If you're trying to choose a

708
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: new caliber. Like I try to think about it too

709
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: sometimes of how available old ammunition is, because like, in

710
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: case something were to happen, like seven mm is pretty universal,

711
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: easier to find it like a smaller town hardware store

712
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: or something, if something were to happen, whereas likerc they

713
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: might not have that, or especially like you know, really

714
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: things that you're going to usually reload, like they might

715
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: not even have anything similar to that. So I try

716
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: to keep that in mind too, like can't get all

717
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: wrapped up in it. But um, if you're not like

718
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: a like a ballistics nerd and want to try these

719
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: new whisbane cartridges and like really know what you're doing,

720
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: like I personally would stick with the tried and true

721
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 1: stuff that's going to be easier to find on the shelf. Yeah,

722
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: and all of it still works great to seventies kill animals,

723
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: thirty odd six is kill animals, seven millimeter wind meg

724
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: meg um. You know, when I started guiding, like early

725
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: two thousands, the WSM very new cartridge, you could have

726
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: called it the Whizbank cartridge. Then it's stuck around right

727
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: like people like the three WSM um. It's pretty commonly

728
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: found now. I would say to like if you go

729
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: into the gat local gas station. Yeah, there's a good

730
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: chance they'll be a three WSM in there. PRC. Maybe

731
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: that'll be like that, but it will be ten years

732
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: from now, not not in the next couple So all

733
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: things to think about. But I think getting a rifle

734
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: that you're confident in and you can consistently practice with

735
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: to make good shots is super important. Agreed. Now, all right, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: tell everybody where to send further questions they like this, Yeah, yeah,

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