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Speaker 1: see updates on anything we talk about in today's episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: I had the moment where I'm like, holy crap, where

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Speaker 2: no one's paying attention. We're in real trouble here.

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Speaker 3: What do I do? I make movies.

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Speaker 2: So I wrote five six different ideas for movies, and

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Speaker 2: I just kept coming back to the idea that if

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Speaker 2: a good portion of the movie could be funny, nothing

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the ultimate truth detector.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris Turney, and this is Unfucking the Future, a

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Speaker 1: show about the climate crisis and what we can do

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Speaker 1: about it. It's easy to get depressed about the climate.

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Speaker 1: According to a host of recent scientific studies, this past

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Speaker 1: year was the hottest ever recorded in human history. But

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Speaker 1: now is not the time to despair. It's for time

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Speaker 1: to get activated. And that's what this show is all about. Together,

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Speaker 1: we really can on fuck this. Let's dig in.

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Speaker 4: We're fucking the future.

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Speaker 1: Let's play a game, all right. On the counter of three,

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Speaker 1: name your favorite dinosaur. Don't even think about it, just

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Speaker 1: name it ready one two three glass.

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Speaker 5: Raptor favorite non pornographic magazine to masturbate two Good housekeeping.

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Speaker 5: If you were a chick, who's the one guy you

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Speaker 1: John Samos? What did we just become best friends?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: That's a scene from the two thousand and eight film

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Speaker 1: Step Brothers. It stars John c Riley and Will Farrell

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Speaker 1: and was directed by our guest today, Adam McKay. He's

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Speaker 1: since written, directed, or produced projects like Succession, The Big Short,

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Speaker 1: and Anchorman. The Man is a Hollywood legend, but he's

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Speaker 1: not just a filmmaker. Adam McKay is also an activist,

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Speaker 1: and he's tackling the climate crisis in his own particular

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Speaker 1: film to create Yellow Dot, a production studio that's fighting

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Speaker 1: back against all that climate disinformation we.

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Speaker 3: See every day.

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Speaker 1: So how did this comedy genius become a climate activist.

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Speaker 1: It started back in two thousand and eight when he

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Speaker 1: was making a film about another global crisis, the mortgage bubble.

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Speaker 3: We were making this movie, The Big Short.

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Speaker 2: And you know, because I have a job where I

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Speaker 2: I started reading some stuff that was really alarming, and

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Speaker 2: I went from concerned giving money to holy crap, we

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Speaker 1: But before Adam was digging himself deeper and deeper into

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Speaker 6: I heard there's an asteroid or a comment or something

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Speaker 3: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty minutes, twenty minutes go. That's a clip from

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Speaker 1: Don't Look Up, Adam's record breaking twenty twenty one film.

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Speaker 1: You can find it on Netflix. The movies about two

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Speaker 1: Now you're never going to believe this, but no one listens.

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Speaker 6: And then doctor Mindy and miss Debosky, you'll come on

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Speaker 1: We filmed a comment.

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Speaker 7: They know what we're here to talk about.

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Speaker 6: Right of course, Jack and Bree love doing science segments.

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Speaker 6: Just remember, keep it light fine, Jack and Bree love

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Speaker 1: That's my Partnessy V is frighteningly close to how the

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Speaker 3: So the story of that movie is obviously.

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Speaker 3: What do I do?

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Speaker 2: I make movies? And I just kept coming back to

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Speaker 1: Look Up was such a big moment for climate scientists.

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Speaker 1: you just told me for a project, why did you

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Speaker 2: And I remember saying to him and he was talking

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Speaker 1: What Adam wanted to get across was the urgency of

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Speaker 2: What would really surprise us would be a comet, because

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Speaker 2: About it was it was a familiar movie trope that

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Speaker 2: So disrupting that story would feel weird to an audience

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Speaker 8: It's headed directly at Earth and it really likely will hit.

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Speaker 1: Once he had figured out his idea for the movie,

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Speaker 1: Adam says, the script just poured out of him.

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Speaker 3: He was so inspired and it was the craziest experience.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was insane.

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Speaker 1: In the movie, the media and the government all turn

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Speaker 1: It's depressingly similar to what happened when the movie was

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was insane.

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Speaker 9: But these were the nastiest reviews, Like they were so

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Speaker 2: This must be what it's like to be a climate

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Speaker 1: fundings being blocked, individuals have been publicly vilified, and of

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Speaker 10: than seventeen million Americans tonight. His tweet also mocked the

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Speaker 10: Perhaps could use a little bit of that good old

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Speaker 10: global warming that our country, but not other countries, was

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Speaker 1: There's an insane amount of misinformation out there, and there's

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Speaker 1: Reviews were quite mixed, with some critics describing it as

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Speaker 2: Meryl Streep I remember, was like, I don't understand. She's

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Speaker 2: like she was confused, like I saw the movie. This

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Speaker 4: We're un fucking the future. We're un fucking the future.

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Speaker 2: We released it on Netflix worldwide and it was the

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Speaker 2: most incredible thing I've ever seen. People in dozens of

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Speaker 2: And then I started hearing stories that there were huge

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Speaker 11: The French process is obviously so hyped up. Everyone's frying

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Speaker 2: And then climate scientists were like criticizing movie critics, like

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Speaker 2: So I just tell everyone I go, look, just show

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Speaker 2: up at the march. They're not violent. Doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: cops aren't going to show up and get really pissed,

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Speaker 2: and they do arrest people. But you're going to make friends.

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Speaker 2: You're going to meet people that feel like a lot

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Speaker 2: like you. I have made so many incredible friends, taken

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Speaker 2: so much comfort from it. So people ask what they

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Speaker 2: can do. Show up for declare emergency, climate defiance, extinction rebellion,

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Speaker 2: just stop oil all these incredible groups that are out there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's something you can do that we know,

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Speaker 2: like you said, according to actual studies of the data,

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Speaker 2: really does work far better than signing an online petition

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Speaker 2: or you know which not fine, do that too, but

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Speaker 2: that's like a thousandth of the impact of showing up

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Speaker 2: for these non violent disruptive marches.

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Speaker 3: They're so powerful.

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Speaker 1: Oh Adam, this is just so inspirational. Just before we

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Speaker 1: sign off, could I just ask your advice as a

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Speaker 1: master communicator, how do we reach people in our lives

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Speaker 1: who don't yet care about the issue.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, yeah, you kind of read it and react.

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Speaker 2: I love basketball, and basketball is a read and react game.

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Speaker 2: When you catch the ball, how close is your defender,

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Speaker 2: where's the defender behind them? Is anyone open? And so

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Speaker 2: it's a read and react kind of thing. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to be going around putting people into

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Speaker 2: tears if they're having a hard time, but always if

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Speaker 2: you can do it with a little bit of like

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Speaker 2: laughing at yourself or humor, that's fantastic. And then sometimes

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Speaker 2: I'll just drop one piece of information on them, Like

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Speaker 2: if I'm talking to someone who thinks, you know, Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden's not a Republican so he's fixed everything, I'll say,

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Speaker 2: you know, actually Joe Biden has approved more oil drilling

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Speaker 2: leases than trumped it. And they'll go that's not true,

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Speaker 2: and I'll go, yeah, it, actually he is, and that

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Speaker 2: will hopefully kind of push them towards like you're not

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Speaker 2: going to solve this through a one party versus the

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Speaker 2: other lens. And then there are times I need the

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Speaker 2: people around me to help me and tell me like, hey, McKay,

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Speaker 2: calm down, No.

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Speaker 1: It's so true. Is we need We do need each

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Speaker 1: other because it's it's pre it's pre sobering what we're

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Speaker 1: going for a moment. And I just love that reading

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Speaker 1: a room, empathy, a little bit of human self irreverence

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Speaker 1: is always really it helps cut for a lot of conversations.

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Speaker 2: I always say, like, the most frustrating thing about all

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Speaker 2: of this is we have the science. We've had it

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Speaker 2: the whole time. We could have We could have switched

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Speaker 2: from fossil vuels and gone to solar panels wind like hydro.

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Speaker 2: We could have been developing new technologies like, you know,

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Speaker 2: science is our ex caliber, man, it's our secret weapons.

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Speaker 1: It's true, we just didn't use.

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Speaker 2: It because those big oil companies pay to everyone off

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Speaker 2: not to use it. So that both infuriates me and

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Speaker 2: gives me a lot of hope.

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Speaker 4: On fucking the future. We're on fucking the future.

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Speaker 1: I have to say I've really enjoyed my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Adam McKay. He's proving how powerful storytelling can be in

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Speaker 1: the fight against global heating, and it's a reminder that

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Speaker 1: our words matter, which brings us to our final segment,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck can I do?

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Speaker 3: What the fuck can I do?

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Speaker 1: So this is a part of a show where we

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Speaker 1: tell you one thing you can do to get involved

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Speaker 1: and see she was so brilliant last episode. We've asked

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Speaker 1: Maggie Bear to come back on the show each week

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Speaker 1: to help us with a segment. Hey, Maggie Cray, how's

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Speaker 1: it going great? It's great to have you back here, Maggie.

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Speaker 1: What have you got for us this week?

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Speaker 13: Okay, since Adam's interview was all about the power of

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Speaker 13: words and storytelling, I want to recommend that we all

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Speaker 13: do something super simple, and that is this, We need

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Speaker 13: to stop saying climate change. Let's call it what it is,

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Speaker 13: global heating, or for Fox's sake, a climate crisis.

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Speaker 1: And why is that important?

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Speaker 7: Well, let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 13: Do you know why everybody says climate change? So back

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Speaker 13: in the day, we used to say global warming or

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Speaker 13: greenhouse effect. But then a Republican political strategist named Frank

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Speaker 13: Lutz got involved, and in two thousand and two, Frank

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Speaker 13: wrote a famous internal memo about how Republican candidates should

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Speaker 13: speak about the environment. And I'm going to read this

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Speaker 13: bombshell to you quote. While global warming has catastrophic communications

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Speaker 13: attached to it, climate change sounds a more controllable and

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Speaker 13: less emotional challenge end quote. So basically, he recommended that

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Speaker 13: politicians downplay the climate crisis by changing what we call it.

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Speaker 1: Lovely thought on this say wow wow.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So get this. President George W.

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Speaker 13: Bush switched from saying global warming to saying climate change, and.

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Speaker 7: Now we all say it. Everyone says it. It's crazy.

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Speaker 14: The United States has committed to strengthening our energy security

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Speaker 14: and confronting global climate change, and the best way to

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Speaker 14: meet these goals is for America to continue leading the

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Speaker 14: way toward the development of cleaner and more energy efficient technology.

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Speaker 13: The term climate change is intentionally misleading. It's part of

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Speaker 13: the disinformation campaigns that we are all subject to. So

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Speaker 13: can we please call the problem what it is? It

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Speaker 13: is a climate crisis caused by global heating. We need

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Speaker 13: to put a label on the problem that sounds like

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Speaker 13: the problem that it is the problem we need to

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Speaker 13: solve urgently.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Maggie.

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Speaker 1: That is so important and that's such a great idea,

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Speaker 1: And that's what the fuck you can do?

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Speaker 6: What the fuck can I do?

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Speaker 4: Oh fuck?

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Speaker 1: That's all for this episode. Next time I'm Fucking the Future,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk with you and Goodwill Ambassador Sabrina Elba about

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Speaker 1: the impact of a climate crisis on Somalia, where her

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Speaker 1: family is from, and we'll dig into why women and

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Speaker 1: girls at the forefront of a fight against global heating.

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Speaker 15: I'll never hear this image of this swamp land in

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Speaker 15: sire Leone that was converted into rice farms and seeing

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Speaker 15: them before and after, I could not believe that land

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Speaker 15: that was so degradated and so turned into this massive

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Speaker 15: community with women farming. And I always thought that was

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Speaker 15: so amazing.

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Speaker 8: And it just goes to show like even things like

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Speaker 8: land degregation like we need rule people to restore the

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Speaker 8: world through nature based solutions. Nature release solutions are such

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Speaker 8: a big part of it, and who else is going

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Speaker 8: to protect these areas the genuine custodians of our planet

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Speaker 8: rule people.

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Speaker 1: Until then? I'm Chris Turney signing off from Sydney, Australia.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me in I'm Fucking the Future.

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Speaker 4: Fucking the Future.

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Speaker 1: I'm Fucking the Future is produced by Imagine Audio and

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Speaker 1: Awfully Nice for iHeart Podcasts and hosted by me Chris Turney.

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Speaker 1: and mixing by Evan Arnette, Original music by Lillly Hayden

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