1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Unger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and eighty one, 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: which will be a listener mailbag episode all listener questions, 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: many of which came in over Instagram. If you are 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: not already following us, please do Best of Both Worlds 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: podcast over there. We post about every episode and occasionally 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: send out the call for anything you might want to 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: ask us, sort of ask us anything, although we may 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: not answer everything, but you can ask. So Sarah is. 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: We were happy she is able to record today. There 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: was a bit of a concern that childcare situation was 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: not but your kids still aren't back at school, but 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: in person doing virtual But it was unclear whether your 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: nanny would be able to be there or not too, 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: but you made it through right. Oh my god. I 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: had a full on spiral though. I just wanted to 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: acknowledge those out there, especially in dual career situations with 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: multiple young kids, that when you lose your reliable childcare, 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: even very temporarily or even if there's just some uncertainty 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: about it, I almost can't think of much more stressful 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: than that, especially when you know there's work that is 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: piled up that you need to do but you like 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: literally can't make a significant dent in it because you 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: just can't. So, yeah, it was a rough day, and 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: so if that ever happens to you know that it's 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: okay to freak out because it's one of the hardest 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: things we have to deal with. But you the thing 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: that did help me was continuing to keep repeating to myself, like, 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: you know what, what's the worst thing that could happen 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: right here? I could lose my job, And then multiple 39 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: people are like, you probably won't even if you had 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: to be out for a week or two, like because 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: you didn't have childcare, Like that, doesn't you know you 42 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: have enough career capital at this point that that's not 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: super likely, and there are usually some weird alternatives you 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: can come up with, like there's not Usually the answer 45 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: is not usually zero options. There's almost always something if 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: you throw enough resources and creativity and maybe money at 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: a problem. And then finally, if you are in that 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of a predicament, it's okay to just completely do 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: only essential things for a few days. I had to 50 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: just go into my clinical inbox, sign out on prescriptions, 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: answer urgent stuff. I canceled all the sort of non 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: urgent appointments and things and basically took PTO. But you know, 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I knew I could spend twenty minutes completely putting out 54 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: fires and that was better than nothing, even if that 55 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: was just kind of cobbled together during episodes of Pink Delicious. 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: So yes, working during Pink Delicious or Thomas the train 57 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: is a time honored tradition for people dealing with, for instance, 58 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: child sick days or caregiver sick days and such. You know, 59 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: you make it work one way or the other early morning, 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: night after the kids go to bed, nap time, when 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: you trade off with your partner, all that sort of thing. 62 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: So we've got a lot of questions to get through. 63 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: We see if we can get through all of them. 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: But go ahead and dive right in, Sarah or both 65 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: of us. I guess, did you offer do you offer 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: your nanny's a raise when a second kid came into 67 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: the picture? Yes and no. I say yes because, at least, 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: especially back then, when you know, our second kid came 69 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: into the picture fairly soon after her nanny had started 70 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: with us. I was pregnant with him when she came, 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: so she kind of knew she was signing up for 72 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: two kids. We did yearly raises in those days, and 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: I say did them because at some point we had 74 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of a ceiling where then 75 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: we just started adding other things like increased bonuses and 76 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: increased vacation time, et cetera. I wouldn't say we added 77 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: specifically because of the second kid, but we did increase 78 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: compensation anyway. And I will say that, you know, just 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: like for a parent, sometimes it's helpful for a caregiver 80 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: to have the toddler out of the house for part 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: of it so they can focus on the other kid, 82 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: especially if they're going to be doing some housework duties 83 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: as well. So back then, you know, when Annabell was 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: three and Cameron was one. That was probably you know, 85 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: one of the hardest parts of her job. I'd say 86 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: harder than it is now, especially because for the most 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: part all three go to school for a significant portion 88 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: of the day. But I had Annabelle in preschool at 89 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: age three, even if it was just for four or 90 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: five hours, that really broke up the day. Gave her 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: a time that she would just have with a newborn, 92 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: time in part when that newborn or one year old 93 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: even would be napping. So just took the load off 94 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. So sometimes it doesn't, you know, it's 95 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: not an either or plus, particularly in non COVID times. 96 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: You know, preschools have benefits too, you know, something to 97 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: consider that might make things easier for your caregiver if 98 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: you're adding more than one kid. Yeah, I mean, I 99 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: would say, like in general, with any I mean you 100 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: employee and your work worker at home as well. I mean, 101 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: anytime someone's job responsibilities increase substantially than a raise would 102 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: probably be appropriate. In our case, we had always wound 103 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: up in a cycle where we were hiring new people, 104 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: like as I was pregnant with the next baby, so 105 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, I like you. They were signing 106 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: on and negotiating with that in mind and knowing the 107 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: number of children that would be involved in the job. 108 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: And then currently we actually our nanny wanted to trim 109 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: her hours a little bit over the past year, and 110 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: that's that's been fine because Michael and I are both 111 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: working at home right now and not traveling anywhere and 112 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: so and we'll see how that all pans out when 113 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: the pandemic is over and people travel again, but for 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: now it's been okay. Next question, how do you relax? 115 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: I like this quad. Sometimes it's just fun to think 116 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: about how one might relax. I would say my main 117 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: mode of relaxing is reading. It is what I gravitate towards. 118 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: Like if I'm free in the afternoons and all the 119 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: kids are on screens, I will go on the couch 120 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: with a book. It's great. I also relax by playing 121 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: with my various planner stuff. It's just fun and relaxing 122 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: for me. I'll play with like a hand littering pen 123 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: or something. Texting friends of course, you know FaceTime. I'll 124 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: often do that, like well, cooking dinner, but it's pretty relaxing. TV. 125 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: I like TV, you know, thoughtfully thoughtful TV, not like 126 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: accidental TV. My husband and I are currently watching The 127 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: Flight Attendant. I don't know if it's relaxing because it's 128 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: a little bit gory and harrowing, but I don't know. Overall, 129 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: the experience is relaxing, and then my like escapism relax 130 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: is to So you know how, I have two Instagrams. 131 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: I have the Underscore shoe Box, I have Shoebox Underscore Plans, 132 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: Shoebox Underscore Plans. All the things I follow are all 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: Planner accounts, like that's it, nobody else. So when I 134 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: scroll that feed, it's just planner page, planner page, planet page, 135 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: planner video, and I find that very relaxing. My other 136 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: feed and I basically nor yeah exactly. I've been slowly 137 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: changing my Instagram feed to be like all renovated kitchens. 138 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they're very pretty. I like to look at them, 139 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: so that's a way to relax. I actually will put 140 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: in a good word here for puzzles. Doing jigsaw puzzles 141 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: is something that takes very little well, I mean reading. 142 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I'm dealing with words a 143 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: lot during the day, so something about puzzles is very 144 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: different part of the brain, and yet it's also relaxing. 145 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: It's something I can do at night. Well, you know, 146 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Henry to stop screaming, for instance. That's 147 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, as he's trying to go to sleep. That's 148 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: something I can do. Although I'm doing a puzzle right 149 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: now that I feel was either thoughtlessly designed or like 150 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: designed by sadists, I can't decide which one it is. 151 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: So I've about one hundred and fifty pieces left to 152 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: go in this thousand piece puzzle. Are all night Sky? 153 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: What is it? It's just starting, Okay. I I have 154 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: a child who suggested we do this puzzle together, and 155 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: then said child disappeared, like stop doing it. So I've 156 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: now been doing it on my own, and I've got 157 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pieces of black Sky to get through. 158 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Do you listen to podcasts or do something else while 159 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: you puzzle or do you just puzzle it? Well, I 160 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: will have like a craft beer while I'm doing it. 161 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: I have listened to podcasts. I listened to I Think 162 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: You on the Mom Hour the other day while I 163 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: was doing my puzzle. That was a nice way to 164 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: sort of relax in the evening. But yeah, you know, 165 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: and puzzles you can come into it and come out 166 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: like you know, this would even more so than like TV, 167 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: because your TV you're not gonna watch like eight minutes 168 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: or seventeen minutes. You're committed to either like the twenty 169 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: two minutes or forty eight minutes of the show, whereas 170 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: a puzzle is variable of how much time you can 171 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: put into it. So it's got that going forward as well. 172 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: That does sound relaxing, although yeah, I'm not very good 173 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: at puzzles I think might stress me out, but sounds 174 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: relaxing for you. I love that, Yes, exactly all right, 175 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: as you might imagine knits for relaxation, and I'm like, 176 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm sort of jealous of that. But then same thing, 177 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: I know that if I did it like it would 178 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: not be relaxed. Sure, you know, defeat the entire point, 179 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Like you should definitely not choose something to relax that 180 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: somebody else finds relaxing, Like you know, this is this 181 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: is all you? Right? Oh are you postpartum style? We 182 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: have a question about postpartum style. What are minimal hairstyles 183 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: and face makeup? How not to look frumpy? I'd say 184 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: this is I texted Sarah before our recording session that 185 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: I have wet hair and no makeup and so she 186 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: should not be scared. I'm not scared. It's not that scary. 187 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: It's a little scary. I feel like I'm usually the 188 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: one with wet hair and no makeup or at least yeah, yeah, 189 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: I like in my workout clothes. But you know, I'm 190 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: glad it's not me for once. It's good postpartum style. 191 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: I will say, I don't know the secret to like 192 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: not looking frumpy, but I do feel like this is 193 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: one time in your life you get permission to like 194 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: buy some stuff for yourself, even if you know you're 195 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: not gonna be in that size for that long. Buy 196 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: some new makeup, like whatever makes you feel better on 197 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: re entry. You know, we had Laurence Smith Birdie on 198 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: our podcast way back in the day. I think she 199 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: wrote the Fifth Trimester, and she has like a whole 200 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: chapter on this, so she knows a lot more than 201 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: we do, especially because she like worked for Vogue. But 202 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: I just I'm giving you permission to like invest, splurge 203 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: a little. This is the time. It doesn't have to 204 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: be on like forever clothing, because again, things are going 205 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: to fluctuate. But I was gonna say, like go to 206 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: a lovely makeup store and go to a makeup counter, 207 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: but that might not be there might be I bet, 208 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: I bet, I haven't googled this, but I bet there's 209 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: online consultants that would be like thrilled to work with 210 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: you over zoom to do product recommendations, do tutorials. Not 211 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: to mention the fact all online. Not to mention the 212 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 1: fact that, like Instagram has approximately one billion makeup tutorials 213 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: out there. So this is the time you're allowed, you know, 214 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: put that's the four order together, go for it. Yah, 215 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: that's my feeling now. And sometimes it's nice to just 216 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: be like, okay, I do get to take a shower, 217 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,599 Speaker 1: Like even if I'm not going anywhere, it's okay to 218 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: like dry my hair and put on makeup if it 219 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: would make you feel better. And then getting clothes that 220 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: do make you feel good right now, Like just ignore 221 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: the part of your closet that doesn't work right now. 222 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: If you're a different size, it's fine, like probably you'll 223 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: be there at some point, but right now, just get 224 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: some clothes that work for you right now, Like choose 225 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: your your power color. I remember that Lani Inlander told us, 226 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: whatever your your power color that looks really good on you, like, 227 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: get some shirts in that color, roomy shirts, and then 228 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, just just just rock that and you can 229 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: you can donate it once you're you know, back to 230 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: your normal size, but you can wear but fits you 231 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: now feel feel good about it. Yep, don't torture yourself. 232 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: Torture yourself. Not worth it at all, all right. Best 233 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: travel tips with kids want to travel resumes. I always 234 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: I go back to this when we had our our guests. 235 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: This is we can all do our We've been at 236 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: just so long that we have a guest for every 237 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: single one of these questions. So Henley Vazquez was one 238 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: of our early guests back in I think early twenty 239 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: eighteen talking about travel with kids, and of course we're like, 240 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: what is the best way to travel with toddlers? She's like, 241 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: I wish there was an answer to that, and it 242 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: was just like, yes, it sucks. It just does. Like 243 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do to make it not suck. 244 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean you have to stay home. Like 245 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: you can just travel knowing that parts of it are 246 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: going to be terrible, because you still want to go 247 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: see whatever that thing is, and you don't want to 248 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: wait till all your children are over five years old, 249 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: in which case great, Like take the days as it come. 250 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: There will be some parts that are awesome and there 251 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: are some parts that are going to be terrible. And 252 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: I think I think that's probably a very wise mindset. 253 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: Go in knowing that your experiencing self may not be happy. Well, no, 254 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: you're having one hundred percent of the time right like 255 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: it's You're gonna have some good moments. You will also 256 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: have some bad moments. But the bad moments do not 257 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: need to define the entire trip, right Like, we're in 258 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: charge of the stories we tell ourselves about it. So 259 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, manap take the trip when you're allowed to, 260 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: like not right now. Yeah, And I will say plug 261 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: for not for going. You know, get a place with 262 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: a kitchen, like an Airbnb is probably better than a 263 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: hotel if you have a young kid. I've made that 264 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: mistake enough times. I'm not going to make it again. 265 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: And keep your plans pretty minimal. I think we took 266 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: a couple of trips where we'd like stack three things 267 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: in a day with a toddler, like that is not 268 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: going to work. Unless one of those three things is 269 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: a nap and the other one is like eat breakfast 270 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: in your room, because you're just the energy is you're 271 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: going to be expending so much energy just like trying 272 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: to like keep the peace and keep the needs met 273 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: and keep utter disasters from occurring, that you're not gonna 274 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: have lifted in tons of stuff. Although I will say 275 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: again the remembering self, some of our families best and 276 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: most favorite stories involve toddlers melting down in various way, 277 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: shapes and forms on different trips we've taken. So it 278 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: might be worth it for the memory the memories alone, No, 279 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: and they do grow up and then they become good 280 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: travel companions, Like I've actually enjoyed traveling with my big kids, 281 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: like they're fun and so you know, then you've got 282 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: a travel companion who, like you're still in charge, like 283 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: this is the fun. Like they're fun to travel with 284 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: in the sense that you can talk to them, you 285 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: can do fun experiences to gather but you are in 286 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: charge in a way that you wouldn't be if you're 287 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: traveling with another adult. So if that's something that appeals 288 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: to you, like you get to make all the decisions, 289 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, There's there's something to be said for for 290 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: that now, So I'll throw that out there. Remember was like, 291 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: I have my first kid trip. I traveled with just 292 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: Anneville and it was amazing and I can't wait to 293 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: do it again someday. Yeah, exactly, exactly, And I also, 294 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: like Sarah had a suggestion here. She included, but you know, 295 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: you might want to build in some parent relaxation time, 296 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe after the trip. So, for instance, you are taking 297 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: six children into Disney World, you should understand that probably 298 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: grown up fun is not really going to happen in 299 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: the course of this experience. But maybe, like you book 300 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: a date night for the two of you a day 301 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: after you return, and you can you know, look at 302 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: your pictures and talk about your memories and that will 303 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: actually be fun. Whereas you know, waiting in line for 304 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Space Mountain with six children is not fun. So you know, 305 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: but the kids are going to want to go on 306 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: Space Mountain. So there we go. Tips for finding connections 307 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: somewhere new when you move mid pandemic, like is there 308 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: an answer to that? We need to take a break. 309 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: We'll think about that. We'll come back after our break, 310 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: all right, So the question was can you make connections 311 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: with new friends when you move in the middle of 312 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Uh, you know, I feel like this is 313 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: a time that you might it might be like you 314 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it right now, because I 315 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: gotta say, like that took the it took the fire 316 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: out from under me about doing that. Personally, I don't 317 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: feel like I've really built up a dribe around here. 318 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't move that far. So I'm still 319 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: in touch with some of like my key really just 320 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: one but whatever one counts old friends from Miami Beach, 321 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: and then there's like work friends. But then there's this 322 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: whole like online and zoom World, which is obviously playing 323 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: a lot greater role in all of our friend interactions now, 324 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: at least for me, and those people don't need to 325 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: be nearby. So I just kind of tabled it, just 326 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: tabled it because really I don't think zoom is great 327 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: for making new friends. I think zoom is really really 328 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: fun if you know people really well, Like as I mentioned, 329 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: I do this. You know, every other week, my college 330 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: friends get together and like all six of us usually 331 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: zoom at like five o'clock on Sundays, and it's lovely 332 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: and we weren't doing that pre pandemic, so that like 333 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: fulfills that kind of a need. I have to go 334 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: to work sometimes so I will see people there and 335 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: that is an opportunity for socializing. And I do feel 336 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: like the online group chats that I am in, and 337 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: there's like a couple of them, mostly with people I 338 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: kind of know either from various online things. They've been 339 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: much more active this past year, So it's cool. Your 340 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: friends don't have to be your neighbors in twenty twenty 341 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one. And maybe when we come out 342 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: of this, I think everyone's going to be so excited 343 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: to do things in person, and probably like it'll be 344 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: even more normal to walk up to the playground and 345 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: be like, hey, where your kids go to school? What 346 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: do you up to? Because people are gonna be so 347 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: thirsty for that, so I'll just give yourself a pass. Yeah, no, 348 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: that's probably a good idea. And I refer you also 349 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: to our episode with Shasta Nelson. She was a guest 350 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: to this fall, and she's got a couple of great books, 351 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: some once called a Friend Timacy and another called Friendships 352 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: Don't Just Happen, So you can kind of get what 353 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: her drift is here, but just that any friendship is 354 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: based on consistency of seeing each other and positivity in 355 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: your interactions, and that's very hard to engineer right now. 356 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, not the positivity, and you can be a 357 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: positive all you want, but seeing people consistently is the 358 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: hard part. But once we are seeing people in person more, 359 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: some of this just naturally develops. When you see the 360 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: same parents that drop off every morning, or you know 361 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: you're all at the same kid plays to gather, or 362 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: you see each other at the playground, or your work 363 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: colleagues that you see each other every day, people you 364 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: might see at the gym because you take the same class, 365 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: or if you go to worship services the families you 366 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: see there every week, just you know, see who you 367 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: feel good about talking to when you start seeing them consistently, 368 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: and then over time those can kind of be moved 369 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: up the friendship ladder to become more people who can 370 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: be your your real confidence. We missed a question, Laura. 371 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if you missed it on purpose. Dinner 372 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: table conversation ideas for five year olds sort of a 373 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: funny question like eat your peas, Like I'm sorry, do 374 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: you have a deeper conversation than that, do you. I 375 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: think if it was one of our guests or some 376 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: other podcasts that I listened to, but somebody mentioned asking 377 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: like what's the best thing that happened today? And what's 378 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: the worst thing that happened today? And I do sometimes 379 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: throw that one out there, And actually I will say that, 380 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, when you have kids my kids age, and 381 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: you have like a very verbal toddler, it can be 382 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: really really funny to hear what that two or three 383 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: year old comes up with. So it's usually entertaining to 384 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: ask almost anything around the table because when it gets 385 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: to Genevieve, it's going to be funny no matter what 386 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: the topic is. But those are my two go tos 387 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: because I feel like they're not too prying. They kind 388 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: of like give them some to think about, you know, 389 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: the worst thing. They don't always have to tell me 390 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: like truly the worst thing, but like I'll get kind 391 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: of like you know, the gossip that way some kids 392 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: said something bad and the chat or something, and the 393 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: chat in particular, now kids are in online school, you 394 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: can ask about like, hey, anything happened in the online 395 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: chat and usually you'll you'll get details. Oh I hadn't 396 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: thought to ask that. Maybe I should. That's a we 397 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: we have a lot of people around the dinner table 398 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: every night. I really am never able to successfully steer 399 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: the conversation one way or another because everyone's like talking 400 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: at the same time. Genevieve goes, you're erupting me. I 401 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: was talking. Be quiet, Why are you talking? Yes, this 402 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: is it's just a lot of people. I mean, you've 403 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: had a dinner party with this many people would be 404 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people. So yeah, I mean it's even 405 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: though we're having the same dinner party night after night, 406 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: it's a lot of conversation. So I don't really successfully 407 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: ever introduce topics. Maybe that's why I skip that question. 408 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: And you're right, a lot of times ours is dominated 409 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: by I hate this dinner. She didn't need her chicken. 410 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: Why do I have to eat the chicken? And cheated? 411 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: She's eating the chicken, but she didn't. Yes, the great 412 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: stuff that goes on here, all right, Sarah? How do 413 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: you budget your personal administration times? This listener wants to 414 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: do so many optional organizational things like home improvement, photo organization, 415 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: But how do you select? What do you schedule it 416 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: out for the year? No, not really, I might. If 417 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: there's some project that's nagging me, I might put it 418 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: like in a quintile goals, like, you know, instead of 419 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: quarter Like, Okay, I'm going to organize a garage or 420 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: donate all the clothes. You guys know, I am doing 421 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: the organization the organized three sixty five one hundred day 422 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: program right now. So I am trying to declutter and 423 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: organize a little bit. But you know, you can only 424 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: do so much. And I do a lot. I do, 425 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: like a lot lot, And so one of the things 426 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't really do is spend almost any time thinking 427 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: about my home decors, my furniture, like in depth cleaning rituals, 428 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: like I just don't care. Our house looks like mixture 429 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: of like Ikia warehouses, and like I don't even know. 430 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't take up brain space, it doesn't 431 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: cost money, and it makes me it like it like 432 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: doesn't detract from my happiness not to think about those things. 433 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: So I I just usually don't. I do make a 434 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: photo album every year, and that's like that's enough for 435 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: me for photo organization, Like that's that's all I feel 436 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: like I need to do. Yeah, I think this listener 437 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: may have a different impression of our lives than it's 438 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: probably reality. I kept putting, you know, organized bins in 439 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: mudroom on like my list for weeks and then I'm like, 440 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much find everything, And the occasional extra 441 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: five minutes it takes to find stuff is less than 442 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: it would take to organize all the stuff. So you know, 443 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: no harm, no foul. I guess we'll just move, which 444 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: we will. I did have to build in time for 445 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: the home renovation that is actually a much more time 446 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: consuming process. We are deep in the planning part of 447 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: it right now. I do not recommend this at all 448 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: for most people. I actually scaled back some work things 449 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: knowing that that was the time that would then be 450 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: devoted to this. And I'm just saying, this is one 451 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: of my big priorities for the year, to get us 452 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: that house renovated, to get us moved out of this 453 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: house in there, get this whole house sold. You know, 454 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: it's a top thing for the year, so everything else 455 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: can be less. And I'm definitely not saying that anyone 456 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: else should should do that, but that sort of has 457 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: made me jailback. You like, have a book coming out yet, 458 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: I know, but it's it's honestly, I mean, having only 459 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: two podcasts Sarah has been, I feel like so on 460 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: top of things, I don't know. It's it's almost scary. 461 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, what was I doing? I don't know? Anyway, 462 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: So we actually got another question that for you, Laura, specifically, 463 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: do you have some It was something like, you know, 464 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: renovating a house is a really big project, like do 465 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: you have some sort of organized organizationals like do you 466 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: have a spreadsheet? Like? How are you breaking that giant 467 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: project up into like manageable chunks. Well, I mean we 468 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: have a lot of people working on it, so we 469 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: have a general contractor, for instance, and that's his job 470 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: is to organize all of this and obviously you pay 471 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: for that, you know, Whereas if I was perhaps working 472 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: with all the subcontractors individually, it might be cheaper. But 473 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: I don't really so because then I wouldn't know what 474 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: I was negotiating, like I you know, so it's I 475 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: might put a big thumbs up for enlisting expert help 476 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: if you have a big enough project. This way, you know, 477 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: we have timelines, I have, you know, rough sense of 478 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: when things are happening, you know, the week after we're 479 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: recording this. I actually have like four showroom visits to 480 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: get everything chosen, and they're very much like you need 481 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: to choose this week if we're going to stay on 482 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: the timeline. So I'm trying to get that all done. 483 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's like anything else, you know, 484 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: a project with lots of moving parts that you have 485 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: a list, you know roughly what each thing is needs 486 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: to get done at any given points, the same as 487 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: writing a book, I guess is what I would say, 488 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: which I also then have timelines for things and people 489 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: working on it, and yeah, that's that's how I that's 490 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: how I roll. Do you tend to use like a 491 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: giant Excel doc or like how how do you track 492 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: these times? Well, this is more we're getting into like 493 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: best laid plans to territory. But I mean a calendar, 494 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: you know, I put any date that I need to 495 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: and I also have a sort of a general sense 496 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: of when things need to happen, Like I mean I'm 497 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: looking forward, like I have my weekly planning and I 498 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: look forward and I say, oh, yeah, this is coming up. 499 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Let me just circle back with everyone and make sure 500 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: that we're on top of things. So if you know 501 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: the level of detail here that somebody from the architecture 502 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: firm needs to make a presentation to the Historic Planning Commission, 503 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: like the plans need to be in ten days before 504 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: that so that they can review it. But again, there 505 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: are other people doing this too, Like I am not 506 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: the only person who's got an eye on these timelines. 507 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it won't be a long complicated process. 508 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: It will, but yeah, get get expert help and then 509 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: write down the dates and keep reviewing the dates and 510 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: thinking what needs to happen for this to happen, What 511 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: needs to happen for this to happen. That makes sense 512 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: focusing on the next step, kind of having a holistic 513 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: overall picture. And I think when it comes to things 514 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: like books, you can rely on your kind of intuition 515 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: and experience for that part because you've done it. Although 516 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: to a degree, I mean, yeah, I sort of know 517 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: how the time I would go, but for tranquility, by Tuesday, 518 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: I have a huge time diary study going. I have 519 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: the pilot running now and then I have the real 520 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: version of it running in the spring. But again I 521 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: have a professional researcher who is assisting me, and so 522 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: partly she is on top of that too, like she's 523 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, figuring out and suggesting things and like has 524 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: the timeline running as well. So I am watching that too, 525 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: but I'm also relying on people whose expertise is in 526 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: this to keep some of the trains going on time 527 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: as well. Oh, I am extra excited for this book now. Yeah, okay, 528 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: question eight, which kids to Well, we did a gift 529 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: episode recently, but still a right, which is the biggest 530 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: bang for the buck? Right? Is that that? Yeah? So 531 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna say magnetiles again, right, You're always the can't 532 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: go wrong with the magnetiles. They never get old, they 533 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: get played with for many, many years if you have many, 534 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: many kids. But I was going to also say the 535 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: play food sets from Ikia. If you're talking bang for 536 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: your buck, I think those things are like five dollars 537 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: and we had to set go through all three kids. 538 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: So wow. And I do like those Calico critters once 539 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: again because they seem to last. They can be kind 540 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: of played with a multiple levels. And again it's like 541 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: a toy that I watched go through both Annabelt and Genevieve. 542 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm sad to say Cameron was boring the gender normative 543 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: in this regard and did not express most interest in 544 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: the Calico critters. But yeah, but it kind of went 545 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: straight through from anabelt to Genevieve. So a lot of 546 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: years of play with those little things. Yeah, I would 547 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: say blocks are definitely things that can get used again. 548 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: And again I think you mentioned duplos, which even bigger 549 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: kids will sometimes be willing to do stuff with the 550 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: duplos because you can build big towers quickly. So it's 551 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that can entertain you for a 552 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: while and then you can roperate other things into it too, 553 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: like make marble runs out of duploser with blocks, make 554 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, do things with matchbox cars with your blocks, 555 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: big cardboard boxes. Honestly, like if you ever, you know, 556 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: order an appliance or something, definitely keep that box because 557 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: the kids will play with it forever. Honestly, the biggest 558 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: hour bang for the buck, you know, is stuff like 559 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: the Kindles, oh yeah, oh yeah, because they will play 560 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: with them for hours and they're you know, not that expensive. 561 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: But you know, Amazon tends to have pretty good deals 562 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: on them around the holidays, and they keep getting better 563 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: and better in terms of their processing capability. So I 564 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: know that that's probably not the answer that the celestener 565 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: was looking for. But you know, our kids all have devices, 566 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: and yeah, they spend time on it, and it's a 567 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: high bang for the buck in terms of hours spent 568 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: on any of these devices. It's very true. I don't 569 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: know if it fits on of the category of toys, 570 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: but eh, close enough, all right, Sata, how do you 571 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: keep your house clean well? When it is safe to do? So? 572 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: We hire it out, so I don't really clean. Our 573 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: nanny does help with a lot of the day to 574 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: day cleaning. We I know there's like interest in like 575 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: a cleaning schedule, and like I've looked at some of 576 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: those because the planner in me thinks that's kind of cool. 577 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: But then like if it ever came to actually like 578 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: executing one, there is literally no way. Again, like this 579 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: podcast wouldn't exist if I was spending time on my 580 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: cleaning schedule. So are you glad this podcast? I'm probably 581 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: preaching to like the wrong wire here, But anyway, someone 582 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: did ask the question, So there you go. We just 583 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: straighten up obviously at things as things go. Maybe Laura 584 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: doesn't I'm curious about this. I mean, I've been in 585 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: our house. It was very clean, but she knew I 586 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: was coming, so like, I do feel like I need 587 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: to pick up the toys off the floor, like before 588 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: going to bed or else. I'm kind of stressed about 589 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: it that. It's also because we don't have a basement. 590 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: It's like not a thing here, so that's like our 591 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: main room like where we eat and everything. It would 592 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: just be like toys everywhere. But I don't really like 593 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: clean that much. Unless something looks terrible, I either have 594 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: other people clean or just let it not be that 595 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: clean until it really needs it. Yeah, we have a 596 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: I mean the cleaning service come every other week. Curiously, 597 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: that was always deemed essential around here. I you know, 598 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: we we just they come wearing masks. We all go 599 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: hide in the basement while they're here, then come out. 600 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: The one thing we started doing is doing like a 601 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen minute cleaning blitz, like you know, you 602 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: have four kids, Like if they're each putting fifteen minutes 603 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: into it, that's like an hour of cleaning. So you know, 604 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: just saying okay, we're all doing this, like basement will 605 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: be picked up in the equivalent of an hour of 606 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: cleaning time if everyone puts fifteen minutes into it or 607 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, all go pick up your room. Only one 608 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: child's room ever gets that messy. It's kind of a 609 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: long story. So that's and then occasionally I'll find like 610 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: some spot that's just driving me crazy. So it turns 611 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: out that Alex was not able to easily put his 612 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: toothpaste on his toothbrush, so he came up with an 613 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: ingenious solution where he'd put the toothpaste on the counter 614 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: and then dip hise toothbrush in it. Resourceful, resourceful, Oh 615 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: my lord. When I went in that bathroom so that 616 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, he and I together with our paper towels, 617 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: cleaned it all up. But yes, and then did you 618 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: do a little tutorial On'm like, yeah, there were just 619 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: like I can help you with us until we work 620 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: on our motor skills. I'm glad he was still brushing. 621 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, please, that's true. Give him some credit. 622 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: He could have just not I probably wouldn't have noticed 623 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: for a while. All right, Sarah, how do you maintain 624 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: a relationship with your husband with his long and different hours. 625 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. We just fit it all in in 626 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: the cracks, I guess. Yeah, there are definitely some stretches 627 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: if he's worked a lot where I just feel kind 628 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: of by myself. But they're not forever. You know, he 629 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: gets weekends off. Every once in a while, he has 630 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: some nights that aren't bad. Hey, we've got to spend 631 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: all of our COVID quarantine together. So that was lovely 632 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: great for our marriage. And I'm just kidding, it was fine. 633 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: You know, we were not really doing date nights right now, 634 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: but therefore we'll try to take advantage and all again, 635 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: if all three kids are occupied with some toy or 636 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: screen and we're making dinner, we'll chart, we'll try to 637 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: talk to each other and just I mean, I don't 638 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: feel like I have to try that hard, which is 639 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: probably says something good about our marriage. Like I want 640 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: to hang out with him, so I guess I feel 641 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: very lucky in that way. But it works out. It 642 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: works out well, and we have when we have downtime, 643 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: like you know, we will watch movies and hang out 644 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: and just try to stay close. And every once in 645 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: a while when the stars align and get our nanny 646 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: to take the kids for a night or two, then 647 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: that's wonderful as well. One of our children has started 648 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: to kind of rebel against this, but that child might 649 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: be ready for some friend sleepovers while the other, yes, exactly, 650 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: do something to make this keep going. Yeah, I don't 651 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: think I really have a great answer for this, partly 652 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: because I mean, we don't even get the time after 653 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: kids go to bed, because some of our children definitely 654 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: stay up later than me now that I'm often waking 655 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: up with the baby very early. So you just, I 656 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know, take advantage of whatever time you have baby's 657 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: napping on the weekend, try to hang out that kind 658 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: of thing, and eventually they'll all be back in school 659 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: and maybe he'll still be working at home. We'll see, 660 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: could happen. That'd be fun, Yes, exactly, all right, do 661 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: you know bonus question? Do you know your idiogram number? 662 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: I do know him. I've taken a couple of quizzes. 663 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: I I don't know that much about any grandmother than 664 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: a couple quzzes I've took, and I always get a three, 665 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: although I always almost get a one, and people often 666 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: think I'm a one, but I'm like, no, I think 667 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: three actually fits me. I'm more I wish I was one. 668 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: Ones are kind of like nicer threes are a little 669 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: it's A three. I don't even know what that. What 670 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: does that mean? I think it's like achiever or again 671 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: not not not an Anyagram expert, but I always felt 672 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: like the ones that want to succeed at all costs 673 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: or something, which I don't really feel like I want 674 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: to do that. But then at the same time, I'm like, well, 675 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: I do like putting a lot of things on my 676 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: plate and like doing a lot of things, and I 677 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: like feedback, so doesn't like it's one that likes negative feedback, 678 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: Like what on earth? Like this doesn't even make sense. Well, 679 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: one is perfectionist and I'm not actually a perfectionist, which 680 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: is something people sometimes think that I am or something. 681 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: But no, I don't know. Is there Anyagram type? Why 682 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: we're good at this podcast together because we're just like, 683 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: is there an Aneagram type for people who are not 684 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: like into Enneagram types? I wonder if what that what 685 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: that would immediately classify you as like a question equivalent 686 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: of anyagram Aneagram experts? Will you help type? And what 687 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: is that? You hear me half an hour every week, 688 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: you could probably type me pretty quick. I'm sure if 689 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: if there is a type, we'll all find out. We'll 690 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: see all right. Love of the week you are on 691 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: this podcast. We were we were worried you might not be. 692 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: My love of the week is having our nanny and 693 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: just generally childcare back and knowing that it's all good 694 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: for the first time in like three weeks. So yeah, yeah, no, 695 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: that's really an excellent thing to have. Now I'm trying 696 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: to think, what is my oh Pendleton blankets. It's been 697 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: really chilly here and we have I got one this summer. 698 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: I don't know why I were doing the summer. Maybe 699 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: it was on sale. And I also got Michael, you know, 700 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: one that he can sort of have like in his 701 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: office or whatever. It's a very cute one, but they're nice. 702 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: They're they're warm, toasty, so as it's chili in Pennsylvania 703 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: this time of year, it's it's always nice to have 704 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: a blanket. If we ever wind up sitting out on 705 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: the back porch relaxing, we can bring our black gets 706 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: out there and to make the backpoort usable even in January. Well, 707 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. We've been doing 708 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: the listener mail bag this week with your questions from Instagram. 709 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow us their best of both worlds 710 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: podcasts and we will be back next week with more 711 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: on making work in life fit together. Thanks for listening. 712 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 713 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 714 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 715 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 716 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.