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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Solid Verbal hull that for me, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>got a few things to talk about, not the least

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<v Speaker 1>of which is a college football playoff deciding they want

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<v Speaker 1>to expand just not now. We've also got some coaches

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<v Speaker 1>that are on the move. We've got some more nil

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<v Speaker 1>news at least quote unquote news that we can discuss,

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<v Speaker 1>and then some transfer portal stuff with Jaden Daniels at

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona State dam which is sort of making headline.

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<v Speaker 2>All of them are interesting. The Jaden Daniels thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the timing of which is fascinating. Obviously things

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<v Speaker 2>are going kind of screw and Tempe figure. He announced

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<v Speaker 2>that he was staying before like a month ago, right

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<v Speaker 2>an fl interest right a week ago, and now he's

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<v Speaker 2>decided to move on. So I'm sure there are more

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<v Speaker 2>things happening behind the scenes than we know. And I

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<v Speaker 2>also saw a video it seemed like his teammates were

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<v Speaker 2>or some of his teammates were helping to clean out

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<v Speaker 2>his locker and happy to see him go. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>interpersonal relationships can be tricky in in a stressful environment

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<v Speaker 2>like a major college football locker room. I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 2>also begs the question who would have a better offense

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<v Speaker 2>with Jaden Daniels running things that who was not able

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<v Speaker 2>to nail quarterback in the height of the portal movings

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<v Speaker 2>around not a word. There are a lot of teams

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<v Speaker 2>who could use the best of Jaden Daniels. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what that is right now. I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people will look back at his performance hitting

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<v Speaker 2>those huge throws against Oregon a couple of years ago

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<v Speaker 2>when Oregon was like number six in the country and

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<v Speaker 2>came to Tempe and lost because Jade Daniels had the

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<v Speaker 2>game of his life. I think he's fine, don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that the perception of him, it seems nationally,

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<v Speaker 2>is accurate. He made a lot of mistakes, has had

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<v Speaker 2>accuracy issues throughout his career. Like, I think he's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he would be an upgrade for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of programs. I'm just curious about the timing of such

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<v Speaker 2>a move, and obviously things we are like we're post

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<v Speaker 2>first phase of the portal, and I think second phase

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<v Speaker 2>will come during an after spring, right yeah, right, A

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<v Speaker 2>big name, I think a limited ceiling.

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<v Speaker 1>The obvious destinations I think for Jade Daniels are listed

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<v Speaker 1>here in an article that I've got from a friends

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<v Speaker 1>over at Athlon. They've listed out cal and UCLA, which

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen elsewhere as potential landing spots. They mentioned LSU, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 1>and Penn State, which I don't buy any of those,

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<v Speaker 1>But Cal and UCLA I think are probably be the

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<v Speaker 1>two most likely options. So UCLA is in an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>spot because DTR is back. They originally had Dylan Gabriel

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<v Speaker 1>who decided to untransfer and then retransfer to Oklahoma, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's not working out. To have Jane Daniels behind DTR,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, or maybe in front of DTR if he

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<v Speaker 1>shows up, that would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be I thinking upgrade maybe for you, who am I

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<v Speaker 2>describing and saying? His numbers don't really tell the full

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<v Speaker 2>story of how inconsistent and at times disappointing this quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>has been. So I you know, I sure I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think DTR is a nine or ten win quarterback, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Jade Daniels necessarily is. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>Daniels is from southern California. He would it seems, I

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<v Speaker 2>know Cal is at the portal already to be an

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<v Speaker 2>upgrade from where Cal has been recently.

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<v Speaker 1>So Cal Cal has Jack Plumber that they brought in,

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<v Speaker 1>right and you and I think that Jane Daniels would

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<v Speaker 1>be an upgrade.

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<v Speaker 2>There probably, But I think the problem is Cal's offense

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<v Speaker 2>in general has been pretty disappointing, pretty bland. They haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been able to really find playmakers at running back or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, have a consistent offensive line or game changers

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<v Speaker 2>at receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just really tough.

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<v Speaker 2>That hasn't been really what Justin Wilcox has succeeded in

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<v Speaker 2>doing in Berkeley. So yeah, I just don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>much he would be set up to succeed there. And

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<v Speaker 2>for those other schools, those are three schools that have

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<v Speaker 2>clear quarterbacks of the future, and in this case, Jane

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<v Speaker 2>Daniels would be a sort of Tyrod Taylor NFL stop

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<v Speaker 2>gap while the younger guys get ready, Right, Maszoo just

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<v Speaker 2>signed a blue chip quarterback of the future. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State with what drew a lar Walker Howard at LSU,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's it's fine. And obviously LSU with the first

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<v Speaker 2>year coach doesn't have you know, extreme loyalty to a

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<v Speaker 2>current quarterback on the roster. But no, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast footprint, whether it's a Mountain West school, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Pac twelve school, it's going to make the

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<v Speaker 2>most sense for Jaden Daniels.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, ASU in a very very weird spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only Jadan Daniels transferring, but they had another guy

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<v Speaker 1>transfer as well. They brought over what is it, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Tyson from Alabama Alabama to help build some depth. But

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<v Speaker 1>my hunch is that the ASU program is going to

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<v Speaker 1>look like a shell of its former self when things

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<v Speaker 1>kick off here in twenty twenty two, because there's just

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<v Speaker 1>been so much upheaval. I'm surprised herm is still there,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's got a very loyal ad former agent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would expect that there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pressure on things to turn around in some sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that equates to how you quantify

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<v Speaker 1>that in twenty two, but he's probably about as hot

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<v Speaker 1>as seat as you can imagine in college football at

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<v Speaker 1>this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's going to be a package deal

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<v Speaker 2>with It's going to have to be. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have after the athletic director. Yeah, it's gonna happen, be Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>hard to see it turning around. Hard to see it

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<v Speaker 2>turning around. They you know, Zach Hill, They've they've lost

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<v Speaker 2>so many guys. Antonio Pierce moved on to the NFL,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Hill resigned in the mid amid all of the

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<v Speaker 2>recruiting investigation stuff, and it's just, yeah, I think what

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<v Speaker 2>we know is going to happen is it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a new coach next year. Probably maybe not twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, but next year twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right. Speaking of new coaches, we have Liam Cohen.

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<v Speaker 1>Liam Cohen who was most recently the OC for the

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Wildcats. There were rumors, all sorts of rumors for

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<v Speaker 1>Liam Cohen. A bit of a revelation this year in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 1>He has decided to go back to the NFL. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>be joining up with the La Rams in a move

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<v Speaker 1>that was sort of telegraphed. It's not a huge surprise

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<v Speaker 1>he would do that. But Liam Cohen going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL. We've also got Charlie Strong getting back in

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<v Speaker 1>the game, still coaching in South Florida, this time as

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<v Speaker 1>linebackers coach for the Miami Hurricanes. Hired by Mario Cristoball.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Strong is head coach. Has definitely had mixed results,

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<v Speaker 1>but Charlie Strong is a defensive assistant coach. I think

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<v Speaker 1>is still a pretty good move.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to say anything but overwhelmingly nice things about

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<v Speaker 2>the staff Mario cristaball is put together. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that ratchets up the pressure, as if it already wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>high enough, with the hype of bringing back the homegrown

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<v Speaker 2>guy and bringing in some of the you know, bringing

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Steele and Josh Gaddis to run the offense and

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<v Speaker 2>bringing in the types of names he's brought in. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he'll recruit very well. The key will be living

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<v Speaker 2>up to now incredibly high expectations for a program that again,

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<v Speaker 2>how many how many times they won the ACC ty No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>zero point zero times zero point zero.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're still.

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<v Speaker 2>Waiting, and I have very little doubt that Mario Crista

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<v Speaker 2>Ball will succeed. I just don't know what that actually

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<v Speaker 2>means in the current college football landscape. ACC landscape is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Clemson's down, pitt lost its quarterback, you know, North Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>loses its quarterback but is recruiting well. Florida State still

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<v Speaker 2>seems like kind of a mess, but seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>heading in the right direction maybe probably, but certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere on the level of a conference champion type team.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a great time to be an emerging program

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<v Speaker 2>in the ACC. But I imagine Miami fans, even having

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<v Speaker 2>not won the conference, have their site set a even

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<v Speaker 2>higher than that. So we'll see a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hype, a lot of names, and I

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<v Speaker 2>imagine Mario Cristaball will get the most out of his staff,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the recruiting trail.

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<v Speaker 1>The other big news story that I wanted to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe I buried the lead a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>I figured we would. We would spill the most milk

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<v Speaker 1>over this topic. Uh oh, college Football Playoff remaining at

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<v Speaker 1>four teams. So yes, here's the deal. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>stay at four teams through the twenty twenty five season

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<v Speaker 1>till the contract ends. It seems there is unanimous agreement

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<v Speaker 1>that they want to expand they just don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>They're still working through the logistics of how they want

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<v Speaker 1>to bring the twelve team playoff into existence. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an eight to three vote when they gathered this past

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<v Speaker 1>week to try and determine if they're going to move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>It failed. It needs unanimous approval in order to proceed.

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<v Speaker 1>It failed because the Big Ten, the PAC twelve, and

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<v Speaker 1>the ACC so called alliance that we made a big

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<v Speaker 1>deal out of volume block. Yeah, all three of those

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<v Speaker 1>conferences voted against it. Again, nobody is saying it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to expand everybody's in agreement it's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. But the ACC, I think what last

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<v Speaker 1>month Jim Phillips, the Commissioner, stated that in order for

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<v Speaker 1>them to proceed, they first need to consider the impacts

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<v Speaker 1>of NIL things like the transfer portal and the governance structure,

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<v Speaker 1>which on the NCAA side is undergoing a pretty significant overhaul. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they're still working by the Constitution and all those types

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<v Speaker 1>of things. So the ACC has been the most outspoken

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<v Speaker 1>against this by staying at four. Reportedly everyone is forfeiting

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and fifty million dollars in potential revenue.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when you say everyone, some people, some people, some people, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>some people, some very fortunate people who are already making

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money from the sport are forfeiting four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred ten million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten FBS conferences and Notre Dame have forfeited reportedly four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million dollars in potential revenue. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the other potential obstacles that were outlined an inability to

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<v Speaker 1>accommodate the PAC twelve in the Rose Bowl. That relationship

0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.600
<v Speaker 1>they desperately want to try and cling to the traditional

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<v Speaker 1>day and time along with the METEA rites. We've heard

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<v Speaker 1>about that for eons, right, that's no news story. There

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<v Speaker 1>are disagreements additionally about revenue distribution. It's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to figure out what to do with it, how

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<v Speaker 1>to break it up. There's also some dispute over whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not Power five conference champions should receive automatic bids

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<v Speaker 1>to an expanded playoff. So this is something that was

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<v Speaker 1>very much supported by the Big Ten. However, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem like a majority around college football. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>going on here. Again, I'll re emphasize for the third

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<v Speaker 1>time that when the contracts up through the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five season, they're going to expand this thing, presumably to twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>because that seemed to be the direction everybody was headed.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's going to take a little bit longer to

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<v Speaker 1>get there. I saw Jack Swarbrick said that they were

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<v Speaker 1>already probably about a month month and a half overdue

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to whatever time line they had put into place.

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<v Speaker 1>But take more time they think they'll get there. Your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on this. I know what your thoughts are on this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of movie. I know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of it also has to do with what,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know they're what the PAC twelve is, the

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<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve, Big twelve, and Big Ten. I know there

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<v Speaker 2>are three because the ACC is locked in pretty deeply

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<v Speaker 2>with ESPN when they signed the deal I think to

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<v Speaker 2>create the ACC network, and the SEC is pretty locked

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<v Speaker 2>in and they're they're changing their national Game of the

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<v Speaker 2>Week too. I think it's going to ABC from CBS.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other three conferences TV deals are coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that is going to affect things in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of who is bidding on the college football Playoff, how

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<v Speaker 2>many games are they bidding on, how is what does

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<v Speaker 2>the TV structure look like of a future playoff with four, six, eight, twelve,

0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.280
<v Speaker 2>sixteen teams. So a lot is going to depend on that,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the wake of news the news that I

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<v Speaker 2>think NBC is extremely interested in getting involved with the

0:15:55.120 --> 0:16:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Big Ten, which currently resides at ESPN, Slash, ABC and five.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of that is going to come into

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<v Speaker 2>play because now NBC looks at the Big Ten as

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<v Speaker 2>a nice companion for Notre Dame, which makes sense. It

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<v Speaker 2>definitely makes sense that there is going to be overlap

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<v Speaker 2>in people who are interested about interested in Big ten games,

0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:19.120
<v Speaker 2>interested in Notre Dame games. Sure, these types of shows

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<v Speaker 2>where there is new, big news, whether or not it

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<v Speaker 2>is long lasting or not, like we thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be last summer, when it seemed like the

0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.440
<v Speaker 2>wheels were in motion to go to twelve generally brings

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<v Speaker 2>out the like I'm the sort of boring Godzilla underneath

0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the ocean floor who like, Okay, I guess I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to rise again and talk about my thoughts about

0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.040
<v Speaker 2>the college football postseason. But specifically with regard to staying

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<v Speaker 2>at four. It's fine, It's absolutely fine if they can't

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<v Speaker 2>come to an agreement. I'm not sure what the endgame

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<v Speaker 2>is though, because I know that the holdup has been

0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:01.400
<v Speaker 2>auto bids right that conference like the PAC twelve once

0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.640
<v Speaker 2>it's champion in no matter what, and same goes for

0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.679
<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten, same goes Big twelve, acc whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you have the SEC in this position, expanding to

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen teams and adding two high profile teams that at

0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:17.080
<v Speaker 2>their best can certainly build playoff caliber programs. Be it

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<v Speaker 2>at four eight, twelve, sixteen or whatever. At Texas's best

0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.800
<v Speaker 2>despite the last decade, I think it's fair to assume

0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that they could build a playoff caliber team. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just the SEC is in a place where they love

0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.720
<v Speaker 2>four teams because they can get two teams in a

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<v Speaker 2>good amount of time. They like the proposal to get

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<v Speaker 2>to twelve teams because they could get three or four

0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.160
<v Speaker 2>teams in. I think it's the auto bid thing that

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<v Speaker 2>is the hold up, because that brings in more potential

0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.199
<v Speaker 2>spoilers for SEC teams in terms of getting in. I

0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.879
<v Speaker 2>saw Andy Staples write a piece about how the SEC

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<v Speaker 2>should have their own playoff and they're send their champion

0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.399
<v Speaker 2>to play against the champion of you know, all the

0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:03.199
<v Speaker 2>other conferences and playoff that involves them. I just I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're getting to a place that more and more

0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.760
<v Speaker 2>people are realizing that there's no really good answer. You

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<v Speaker 2>can say five auto bids and three at large's, or

0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.080
<v Speaker 2>five and Notre Dame and two at large whatever, or

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.000
<v Speaker 2>we can say twelve the way it was outlined last summer,

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<v Speaker 2>with the four teams getting the buy the top four

0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.560
<v Speaker 2>teams getting a buye but Notre Dame is ineligible for

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<v Speaker 2>one of those buyes. They're all systems, they're all answers.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they're good answers because none of

0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.880
<v Speaker 2>them really do it for me. And addressing the one

0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.280
<v Speaker 2>thing that I don't think can get fixed, which is

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<v Speaker 2>there are just teams who are going to win a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more games more often. And you can look at

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<v Speaker 2>that as a feature or a bug, depending on how

0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you feel about the sport and who your favorite team is.

0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I just think we're we're getting to a point where

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<v Speaker 2>we're going in circles and we're always going to have

0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.439
<v Speaker 2>unhappy people no matter what the system is going to be.

0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.639
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the case because we're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the sport from a financial perspective, of financial point of

0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:06.080
<v Speaker 2>view in that what will make the most TV money,

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.359
<v Speaker 2>what will get the highest TV ratings? And college football

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.440
<v Speaker 2>is doing this weird thing. And I say college football

0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 2>even though there is no college football. There's conferences, there's

0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:22.240
<v Speaker 2>no centralized league. So we're doing this thing where we say,

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.760
<v Speaker 2>what's the best for the sport, or how do we

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<v Speaker 2>get the highest ratings for our bowl games or for

0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.719
<v Speaker 2>our national championship or our semi finals, And they chase

0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.359
<v Speaker 2>casual fans, they chase mainstream fans, when I don't know

0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.080
<v Speaker 2>that that was ever the point of the postseason. If

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.439
<v Speaker 2>you're chasing TV dollars and that's what you're courting, that

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.280
<v Speaker 2>means you're trying to attract the most TV viewers, and

0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.000
<v Speaker 2>by doing that, you're saying, how do we get people

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<v Speaker 2>who don't really care that much about college football to

0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:56.439
<v Speaker 2>be interested in Alabama, Ohio State or Clemson LSU. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it's a tangible goal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why people think twelve teams is more interesting

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 2>because we'll have new matchups and we'll have teams that

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<v Speaker 2>are not normally in this conversation at the in January

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.679
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, whether it's Wisconsin or Baylor, Oregon, USC like

0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 2>any of those teams that like, oh suddenly they're playing

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:25.240
<v Speaker 2>in more meaningful games than usual. But it almost still

0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to me feels like an invite rather than a meaningful

0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 2>place at the table. Does that make any sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I you know, I they're gonna expand it, they're

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:45.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna express they are. And as one of our guests,

0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I forget who over the last got in a couple

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of weeks, a couple months. As somebody pointed out, this

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.560
<v Speaker 1>all started when college football made a decision, and it

0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.440
<v Speaker 1>may not have been a conscious thing at the time,

0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>but at some point in time, they chase the bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Like everybody else. They chased the bag. They went after

0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the TV money, And when TV money started gaining more

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.280
<v Speaker 1>influence on the history and on the future of the sport,

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 1>then suddenly we arrived at this place where it's all

0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 1>really coming down to the cash, and everybody's trying to

0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 1>chase the bag get the most profit possible. So this

0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.440
<v Speaker 1>is going to happen the question, I think, and look,

0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 1>it's going to happen. I would prefer get here sooner

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.439
<v Speaker 1>than later, because you know my stance on it, it's

0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.880
<v Speaker 1>going to happen eventually. Just do it. But I don't

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.200
<v Speaker 1>think Jim Phillips is wrong to say, well, we've already

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<v Speaker 1>got a system and there are considerations that we need

0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.639
<v Speaker 1>to factor in here. Now. It wasn't listed out explicitly

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.680
<v Speaker 1>in the articles that I read, at least not all

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of them, but I do think that there should be

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.960
<v Speaker 1>a hot minute for us to sit here and evaluate

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:59.280
<v Speaker 1>player safety. Right there are more cases, there are going

0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to be more games for everybody, but for a lot

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 1>of kids there are going to be mm hmm. For

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who play at Alabama and Georgia in the

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 1>high profile institutions, Yeah, it's going to take a greater

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 1>toll on the body. Is there anything that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be done with respect to adding more scholarships or adding

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:22.240
<v Speaker 1>more depth somehow to factor in for this added toll

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.879
<v Speaker 1>that's going to take on some of these kids to

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 1>build depth and to you know, fill out rosters in

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 1>a way that maybe they aren't now. I don't know,

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>It just has it all has a feel of I

0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know if daisy chaining is the right word. Where

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 2>we keep digging ourselves into a deeper and deeper place

0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>that we're plugging more and more into the surge protector,

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.399
<v Speaker 2>then we're adding splitters into the surge protector, when in essence,

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the whole sport probably needs to be rethought if we're

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 2>going to become once again, do you want to be

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.399
<v Speaker 2>a tournament sport or a bowl sport? And it's hard

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 2>to be kind of half in and out. And as

0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 2>we expand, college football becomes more of a tournament sport,

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.680
<v Speaker 2>and then what are the repercussions. What are the fallout

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:11.120
<v Speaker 2>situations from becoming a bigger and bigger tournament sport? And

0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 2>our friend Ari Wasserman wrote about this in saying that, like,

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 2>if Michigan beating Ohio State and breaking through has a

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 2>lot less meaning because Ohio State is still going to

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.480
<v Speaker 2>make a twelve team tournament, then it's just not as

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 2>fun like we want steaks, and that to me, like

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.160
<v Speaker 2>it speaks to the appeal of college football for so many,

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 2>for so long was the scarcity of the sport. And

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that's like, how many Thanksgivings do you celebrate?

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Tie?

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 2>You could have turkey and mashed potatoes and cranberry sauce

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:46.120
<v Speaker 2>whenever you wanted together and watch football and play football

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>outside with your friends and family, but you don't. You

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.000
<v Speaker 2>get one fourth of July. You could grill and have

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>blueberry pie and launch fireworks. Are fireworks legal in Pennsylvania?

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately? Yeah?

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, Yes, for your as a dog owner, right, you're

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 2>not thrilled, So you could do that in April, you

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 2>could do that in December. Nothing's stopping you. But there

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 2>is something about something happening once a year, something that

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I think is central. I think that's that that that

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 2>that kernel, that nugget to college football, that a lot

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 2>of the appeal is tied to that you get one

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 2>SI HOWK game, that you get one Iron Bowl, that

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 2>you get one you know Platypus Cup or you know

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.959
<v Speaker 2>Red River Shootout. And so when you open up, when

0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 2>you when you give those games less meaning both by

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 2>saying oh, they could play again, or that team losing

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 2>that game ultimately didn't mean anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a detriment to the sport, and it's

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't argue for moving backwards because that's not how

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 2>life works. But I just I think we're heading to

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 2>a place where college football has to do a full

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 2>reboot in the way that it's organized if it wants

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>to keep going down this road. And I mean, look, look,

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:05.639
<v Speaker 2>yeah a couple things here. First off, Okay, we can't

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 2>go backwards. We can't go backwards. And I know where

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you stand in the playoff. And I'm not saying all

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>your points are invalid. You bring up a lot of

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.360
<v Speaker 2>good points. I just think it is such a foregone

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.959
<v Speaker 2>conclusion at this point we're going to end up with

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a twelve team playoff, maybe bigger I don't know, it's

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 2>just going to happen. But it's your show. You can

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about whether or not you're happy or bummed out,

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 2>or how you would do it. Your name's right here

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 2>on the show. I'm curious. I'm curious to see what

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.159
<v Speaker 2>it does to the sport. I have a lot of

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the same concerns you do, but I am not as

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 2>doom and gloom about it. That being said, I am

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 2>curious to see how.

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>It affects some of the dynamics that you described, the

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Syhawk game, the game Michigan, Ohio State, these rivalries. How

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>will it affect things given the fact that some of

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>them could be rematches, or some of them may not

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>have the same stakes as before. I don't know. I

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean we're in an okay place right

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>now where it still does matter.

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, four games keeps it or two games or I

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>mean four teams or two teams or whatever. You know,

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>it gives the games the stakes. And people will point

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 2>to college basketball. I think it's a different sport. It's

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 2>a different situation. You play many more games already in

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>college basketball, and it's easy to say, Look, nobody watches

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 2>college basketball regular season games or something like that. That's

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>not true. A lot of people care about college basketball

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>regular season games. It just happens that college basketball has

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 2>one thing that college football will basically never have, and

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 2>that's the ability for casual fans or non fans to

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>fill out an office bracket. And so I think we

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 2>just need to celebrate college football for what it is then,

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 2>rather than what it's not. I'm fine with the playoff.

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to expand I'm curious to see

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>how they do it. I'm all for giving more if

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 2>like we're already committed to the bid here where we're

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>going to try and do a championship, which again is

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.679
<v Speaker 2>impossible in college football, but if we're at least going

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 2>to try, I'm all about giving as many teams as

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>you can the possibility of competing for it. Okay, that

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>being set, Your second point, I think is one that

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.479
<v Speaker 2>I can definitely get behind. The whole notion of college

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>football and where it stands within the collegiate structure. I've

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>said for a long time the biggest problem with college

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 2>football is that we call it college football and that

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>it's associated with these institutions.

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>You will have to pry college football from the dead, lifeless,

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 1>greedy fingers of college institutions. There's no way they would

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>ever want to four go some of the money that

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about here. The SEC paid out what fifty

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>five million dollars last season. Yeah, there's no way you

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>could ever get institutions to separate themselves from that. They

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 1>love that, they thrive on that. They use that money

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of good purposes as well. It's not

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>all underhanded. But of course, I just think we're going

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>to come to a point Dan where the money we're

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about here just super seeds whatever the old collegiate

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>football structure was supposed to be. How college football reorganizes

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>itself over the next twenty years I think will be

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>really interesting because it's going to this place. The money

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>is only going to get greater, right, you know, how

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.159
<v Speaker 1>they keep this as a college thing where everybody can

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote compete is going to be very fascinating to me. Yeah.

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, it's not going to fundamentally change maybe

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>the organization of the sport, but I think college football

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:34.959
<v Speaker 2>is going to remain college football in the way that

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 2>teams are affiliated with schools, and players attend classes and

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>whatever gets scholarships and the opportunity to make nil money.

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I just I'm trying to sort of fast forward and

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>see what a twelve team playoff look looks like. Wherever

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the games are played, whether they're on campus, whether a

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 2>neutral field, NFL stadium type places, what does that look like?

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>How does that it benefits the fans, at least in

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the short term in that we get high quality matchups.

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there are a lot of national college

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>football fans in the way that there are national fans

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 2>of other sports because of things like gambling in pools

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and fantasy and things like that. There are I think

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>that people are just fans of their teams, and they

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>want to see their rivals lose. They want to beat

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>their rivals. They want to have as winning a season

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>as possible and share the experience with their friends and family.

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>That is the core of the sport. And I think

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>that's been proven otherwise. That's been proven over and over again.

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>So where do we go Once Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson,

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, the lightning in a bottle, LSU, you know

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 2>those types of programs are continually dominating the semi finals

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of a twelve team tournament. Do we get to an

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 2>apathetic place where Wisconsin playing Notre Dame or Baylor playing

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Michigan becomes kind of, well, the game is cool, but

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>we already know that they can't hang with Alabama. Like

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>we saw a playoff this year in which we basically

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>had no household names at quarterback just because Bryce Young

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 2>was a freshman it was his first year starting, and

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 2>then Stetson Bennett, Cade McNamara, and Desmond Ritter. So we've

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 2>got a you know, American Conference quarterback, a quarterback for

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Georgia who is good but not the reason, the central

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 2>reason why they were winning, and the quarterback for Michigan

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 2>who is likely not the best quarterback on Michigan's roster

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>based on what we look to the future with Michigan

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 2>football and their offense looking like So it's just going

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 2>to be difficult to sell that. I think in the

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>long term that this is a good thing for the sport,

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 2>that more teams are getting the opportunity. Now if a

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 2>team like Utah, if a team like Michigan, if a

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>team like you know, TCU or something, can turn a

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 2>playoff berth into a huge boon in recruiting and then

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>are perennially in that conversation. That's interesting, but that hasn't

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>really happened when you look at and Ari brought this

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>point up in his piece, Michigan State or Washington or

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>even Oregon when they made the playoff, Florida State was

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>an a to turn that into year over year playoff

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>caliber teams. It's just really difficult. And we have this

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 2>utopian view of college football as a sport with parody

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>and everybody gets a shot and settle things on the field,

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and I just don't think it's a reality in which

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>we live. So I'm good with expanding the playoff if

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:22.479
<v Speaker 2>that's what everybody wants do it, But I just I

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 2>don't see how long term the thing that people seem

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 2>to want in parody is solved. It's an opportunity, it's

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>an invite. But also I think those of us who

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 2>have watched the sport for a long time, which I

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>assume is most people listening to this show kind of

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>understand how it's going to go, even if they don't

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>want to admit it.

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, you can't expand this playoff the thirty two, right, Like,

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>there's only so many teams that are truly title worthy.

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And while I do think it's important to expand it

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>beyond four. I always thought for it was kind of dumb.

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>You've got five power conferences, You've got a whole other

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>group of five set of conferences that you claim are

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>equal but aren't really, And so to start with four,

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to me, it was always weird.

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, they were just trying to incrementally grow, I get,

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 2>and not be true too dramatic. That's what college football is.

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a very conservative sport. Competitively, it was stupid.

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>It was a stupid move to do what they did.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I get why they did it, it was still stupid.

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at this point where expansion seems inevitable.

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>If we go to twelve, there will probably be calls

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to go to sixteen at some point or even right.

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>That's what worries me. Bracket creep. That was the term

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>for it way back whencket creep when we started doing

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 1>sixty eighteen. Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm for it

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>until i'm against it. I'm I'm I'm playing the Politically,

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you'd have Yeah, you'd have crowds chanting flip flop at you.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's how that would work.

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I would I'm worried about what it does to some

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of those rivalries in the same way that you are.

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, if the sport is now

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>committed fully to the bit of trying to crown a champion,

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:05.719
<v Speaker 1>then this is the only way you can do it.

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>We'll see, we'll see when we get here. You know,

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a few years down the line. It'll be here

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>before you know it. But hopefully before then we'll have,

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot better since for as Jim Phillips says,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>what some of the other changing factors in college football

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>are doing to the sport. Hopefully by that point in

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>time we'll get all these other wrinkles ironed out. But

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>certainly a news story that we're going to have to

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>keep tabs on here over the next couple months and years.

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Can I ask you this, Yeah, both of our teams

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 2>have been on the precipice, much more so than ninety

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>five percent of programs in college football of winning a

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>national championship. In the last decade or so. Notre Dame

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>has been in the playoff a couple times, was in

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>a BCS national championship against Alabama. Oregon has been in

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 2>two national championship games and lost them, and we were

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>certainly rooting like hell for our teams to win national

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>championship because it would have been cool to see our

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 2>teams win. So this may sound like a leading question,

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>but I think that context is important that we really

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>have wanted over the course of the last ten to

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>twelve years our teams to win national championships. Is it

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 2>good for college football to be a national championship focused sport?

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, there is no college football. We

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>have a number of conferences who want different things and

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>teams who want different things within those conferences with different

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>realistic goals. The focus on a national championship the end

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:38.399
<v Speaker 2>all be all thing, Like, is that a good thing

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to sort of have as a center, a central point

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>of a conversation around the sport because obviously all sports,

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>all major sports, are organized in different ways. You know,

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>you have EPL where somebody just kind of wins based

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>on what happens during the season. But then you have

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 2>the Champions League where you have all sorts of great

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>teams playing in a tournament. You have you know, the

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 2>way the Stanley Cup and NBA playoffs in baseball where

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 2>they play a series of games like it's all organized

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 2>in different ways. College football has always been culturally and

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>competitively an outlier from the other major sports, and I

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of think, and it's impossible to go backwards. I

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 2>understand that. I totally am fully willing to admit that.

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 2>But is there anything that we can do as a

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 2>duo with whatever our audience is. Is there anything that

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>can be done in the way the sport is framed

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>and the way that even conferences think about their TV

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 2>networks think about the sport where we're maximizing the season,

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're maximizing say January first, like New Year's Day

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.280
<v Speaker 2>used to be a holiday. The scarcity of January first

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 2>was the best thing ever. Is there anything that we

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>can do in the way that the sport is framed

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and organized that at least moves the focus away?

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, if we're moving the focus away from

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the championship, the next obvious place to move it would

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 1>be to qualifying for the playoff. Whatever that looks like

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>much the way that you would try to put value

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.720
<v Speaker 1>on a conference championship. There are a lot of teams

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>out there for who may.

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>It's still funneling, I know, but.

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:19.959
<v Speaker 1>You know, if we're going under the assumption that there's

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>really only three teams that can win it. Anyway, getting

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>to the playoff is something that you can recruit on

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>getting to the playoff if you're a group of five team,

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>If you can do it in a couple of years,

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 1>that's suddenly a big time recruiting tool. Maybe we've got

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a group of five program that jumps up and is

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 1>suddenly a lot more prominent the new school Boise State,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.280
<v Speaker 1>if you will. That's interesting to me, and that's interesting

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to a lot of the people that listen to the show.

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>So focusing in this future state on playoff qualification instead

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>of national championship is one angle that I think makes

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>some sense. Another way that you could play it is

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 1>it could just go full contrarian Dan. You could go

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>full Contraria and the way you have on occasion and

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 1>really try to highlight the rivalries and focus on in

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 1>season storylines and not so much on the playoff. You know,

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>playoff be damned storyline, something that we got to follow at,

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>something we got to cover here on a college football podcast.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>But by not putting as much emphasis on that the

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>way the national media would, perhaps then you carve out

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 1>a separate lane for yourself and you find some sympathizers

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>with you. Beyond that, though, it is hard to go

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>up against this gigantic media storm that is an expanded playoff.

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Whenever it comes to fruition, it's gonna be suffocating in

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the same way that the playoff was suffocating the first

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>time around. I'm a playoff proponent. I was all for

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it then, I'm all for it now. I'm interested in

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>how this plays itself out. I have concerns as well,

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe not to the extent that you do, but I

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>just think it will be you will have more Jimmy

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Kimmel commercials, you will have more custom jingles, You'll have

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>more of the stupid who's in stuff from ESPN whoever

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>gets it. You'll have probably multiple networks at that point

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>doing the commercials as well. It will be in your

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>face if you're a college football fans, So perhaps to

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>just go full one eighty, we're steering into bedlam as

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>our national championship. That's one way you could go at it.

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>My hunch is that there'll be a lot of folks

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 1>who are very, very sick of all the promotional material

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>that comes with a new playoff.

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Of course, more teams means more emphasis on making the playoff,

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 2>on winning the playoff, and I don't know. I'm just

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't see that in changing the way that the

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 2>sport is framed in any sort of advantageous way.

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>At that point, fallout boys probably in their fifties. Are

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>they right in another jingle for the next version of

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the playoff like you did the first time around? I

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know if there's an audience for that.

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 2>If we're up to my three year old fallout boy

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 2>can do no and he's all in, so no matter

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 2>their age, he's ready. If we're up to the rest

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:09.280
<v Speaker 2>of the country and the consuming public, I'm not so sure. Yeah,

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>It's what I think we actually need to get to

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 2>is we need to get to a point where we

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 2>rethink the postseason and you can call various things a playoff,

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 2>even if it's like reorganized bull pods and we have

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 2>a mega January first blowout and then we have a

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>couple teams emerge from that where I don't know what

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 2>it is. I think the way that the sport is

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 2>organized in conferences, I think we're heading to a point

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 2>where if we still want a national championship, if we

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.399
<v Speaker 2>still want a playoff. We're going to need to get

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 2>to a point where there are I've talked about like

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 2>an ESPN side of things and a Fox side of things,

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 2>that the reason why playoffs work in other sports is

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 2>they're organized in a much more sensical way. Well, there

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>are fewer teams, Yes, there are fewer teams. There are

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>far fewer teams. And look, if we are going to

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>be honest, Cincinnati is a major program. Cincinnati is in

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>fact the first group of five pro to make the playoff.

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 2>But they happen to be a major program playing in

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 2>the American So I still am of the mind that

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>the sport needs to be organized in a better way

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>of how seriously and unseriously programs take major college football.

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 2>And until we get to that point, we're just we're

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 2>just daisy chaining in half thought of ideas in pursuit

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 2>of something that isn't actually advantageous for the sport. So

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>it's going to expand we're going to talk about it.

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.800
<v Speaker 2>We will profit from it in our own very tiny

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 2>little way, but in terms of good for the people

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>who actually care about the sport, who are on recruiting

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 2>message boards, who are watching spring games, who are watching

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 2>random you know, Hawaii Fresno State at midnight Eastern or whatever.

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the playoff and expanding the playoff is

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>doing right by the central core audience of the sport.

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think those people of which we

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>are too, I think those people are being led into this.

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>What if we made college football a little more like

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 2>the NFL when it's just not.

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Well not Look soliverbo at gmail dot com is the

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>email address, as always where you can write in. If

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>you're a Patreon subscriber, you can send us a note

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 1>on discord. We'll be stopping by pretty much all of

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the normal checkpoints to see what folks have to say

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>about this. I do feel like you have converted some

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>to your side of the argument, which is but that's

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>which is go back to the bulls Now, it's not

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. You know.

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm good with bowls and bcs. I'm good with that.

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 2>But it's Look, it's again, we're not moving backwards. I

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.840
<v Speaker 2>just there's this like notion that like college football will

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>be better if we include the West coast, when a

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of people on the West Coast don't care about

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 2>college football. I'm from here, I went to school here,

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's a reality, like, oh, people are going to

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>care more about the playoff if Washington or Oregon or

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>USC isn't it now. They cared about the playoff because

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Pete Carroll was at USC, because they knew or the

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.400
<v Speaker 2>BCS because they knew Matt Liner and Reggie Bush's name.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>There were household names. It's basically impossible right now in

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, if we're going to live in the present,

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 2>to have long lists of household names in the sport.

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>But all of these other sports with household names are

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 2>able to succeed because people care, people know about the names,

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 2>people care, and so we are we're trying to fit

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the sport into like a weird funnel when the reality

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty two is such that like just doesn't exist.

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:39.399
<v Speaker 1>More to come on this story, for sure, it had

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>been talked about for a good part of the last year.

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>It sort of came out of the blue that a

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.320
<v Speaker 1>twelve team playoff, a proposal for the playoff had emerged,

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that they were going to take it up, that there

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>was a possibility they could take it up sooner, that

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 1>they could change the system. That's not going to happen,

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>not gonna happen for a couple more years, but they're

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>surely not to stop talking about it, So let us

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 1>know your thoughts. Again, We're on Twitter, all the social

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.800
<v Speaker 1>media platforms, right and let us know. We'll post clips

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>from this episode out there. Please feel free to respond

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>on those clips. Let us know what your thoughts are.

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 1>But playoff expansion not happening for the interim, would you

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>go to a.

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame twelve team playoff game like an opening round game.

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I know you're not a big travel person because of

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the show and you need to be in the studio

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. But if it worked out that, you know,

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame was playing in such a tantalizing matchup and

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 2>in a place that you'd want, like Notre Dame Texas

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 2>in Austin. You like Austin a lot, I would be intrigued.

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I would be intrigued going to one of those games

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>on campus.

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you should be.

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would be intrigued by that. And to be

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 1>honest with you, all the other stuff aside, that's the

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 1>part that I find the most exciting. That's the part

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that I find the most excited about. An expanded field

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 1>having first round games on campus. I don't know where

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 1>they're at with that, by the way, I don't know

0:43:57.920 --> 0:43:59.359
<v Speaker 1>if that's going to be a thing or not going

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to be a thing. They're trying to force feed that

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>through the bowl system or what. But that possibility of

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>keeping games on campus, really high leverage games on campus

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>is exciting to be I'd love to go to not

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>just a Notre Dame game, any of those games.

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I would love it to be on the front end.

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I would love people talk about all of these great

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 2>matchups between teams that you normally don't get to see

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>play against each other. I would love some sort of

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.439
<v Speaker 2>central body and some sort of ping pong show in May,

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 2>in February or whatever in the doldrums of the college

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 2>football year to select like every team has four non

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 2>conference games, and there are two or three of them.

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>If you're a Power five program, hopefully the ping pong

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 2>ball bounces your way. We're only playing on campus, and

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 2>we're getting all sorts of crazy fun. Matt, we get Oregon, Florida,

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 2>we get Notre Dame. I mean, Notre Dame's played a

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of non conference games as an independent team, but

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 2>you get you know, Notre Dame Washington or Notre Dame Texas.

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 2>We a few years ago with the eighteen wheeler game, like,

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 2>we have all of these matchups and it helps us

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 2>to actually figure out who's good for determining a national

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 2>championship at the end of the year because the data

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>is so much more meaningful. See that's what i'd like.

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I like this addressed on the front end rather than

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 2>in a playoff. But I don't know, maybe I'm different.

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:23.319
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