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Speaker 2: All of them are interesting. The Jaden Daniels thing is,

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Speaker 1: The obvious destinations I think for Jade Daniels are listed

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Speaker 1: By the way, ASU in a very very weird spot.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to be a package deal

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Speaker 2: You could have turkey and mashed potatoes and cranberry sauce

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yes, for your as a dog owner, right, you're

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Speaker 2: not thrilled, So you could do that in April, you

436
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: could do that in December. Nothing's stopping you. But there

437
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: is something about something happening once a year, something that

438
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: I think is central. I think that's that that that

439
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: that kernel, that nugget to college football, that a lot

440
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: of the appeal is tied to that you get one

441
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: SI HOWK game, that you get one Iron Bowl, that

442
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: you get one you know Platypus Cup or you know

443
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 2: Red River Shootout. And so when you open up, when

444
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: you when you give those games less meaning both by

445
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: saying oh, they could play again, or that team losing

446
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: that game ultimately didn't mean anything.

447
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Speaker 1: I think it.

448
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: I think it's a detriment to the sport, and it's

449
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: I can't argue for moving backwards because that's not how

450
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: life works. But I just I think we're heading to

451
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: a place where college football has to do a full

452
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: reboot in the way that it's organized if it wants

453
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Speaker 2: to keep going down this road. And I mean, look, look,

454
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Speaker 2: yeah a couple things here. First off, Okay, we can't

455
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: go backwards. We can't go backwards. And I know where

456
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Speaker 2: you stand in the playoff. And I'm not saying all

457
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Speaker 2: your points are invalid. You bring up a lot of

458
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Speaker 2: good points. I just think it is such a foregone

459
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 2: conclusion at this point we're going to end up with

460
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Speaker 2: a twelve team playoff, maybe bigger I don't know, it's

461
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: just going to happen. But it's your show. You can

462
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: talk about whether or not you're happy or bummed out,

463
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: or how you would do it. Your name's right here

464
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 2: on the show. I'm curious. I'm curious to see what

465
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Speaker 2: it does to the sport. I have a lot of

466
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Speaker 2: the same concerns you do, but I am not as

467
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Speaker 2: doom and gloom about it. That being said, I am

468
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: curious to see how.

469
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Speaker 1: It affects some of the dynamics that you described, the

470
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Speaker 1: Syhawk game, the game Michigan, Ohio State, these rivalries. How

471
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Speaker 1: will it affect things given the fact that some of

472
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Speaker 1: them could be rematches, or some of them may not

473
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Speaker 1: have the same stakes as before. I don't know. I

474
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean we're in an okay place right

475
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: now where it still does matter.

476
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Speaker 2: Well, four games keeps it or two games or I

477
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: mean four teams or two teams or whatever. You know,

478
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: it gives the games the stakes. And people will point

479
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: to college basketball. I think it's a different sport. It's

480
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: a different situation. You play many more games already in

481
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: college basketball, and it's easy to say, Look, nobody watches

482
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: college basketball regular season games or something like that. That's

483
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Speaker 2: not true. A lot of people care about college basketball

484
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: regular season games. It just happens that college basketball has

485
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Speaker 2: one thing that college football will basically never have, and

486
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Speaker 2: that's the ability for casual fans or non fans to

487
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: fill out an office bracket. And so I think we

488
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: just need to celebrate college football for what it is then,

489
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Speaker 2: rather than what it's not. I'm fine with the playoff.

490
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to expand I'm curious to see

491
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Speaker 2: how they do it. I'm all for giving more if

492
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Speaker 2: like we're already committed to the bid here where we're

493
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Speaker 2: going to try and do a championship, which again is

494
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Speaker 2: impossible in college football, but if we're at least going

495
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Speaker 2: to try, I'm all about giving as many teams as

496
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Speaker 2: you can the possibility of competing for it. Okay, that

497
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Speaker 2: being set, Your second point, I think is one that

498
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 2: I can definitely get behind. The whole notion of college

499
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Speaker 2: football and where it stands within the collegiate structure. I've

500
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: said for a long time the biggest problem with college

501
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 2: football is that we call it college football and that

502
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: it's associated with these institutions.

503
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Speaker 1: You will have to pry college football from the dead, lifeless,

504
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: greedy fingers of college institutions. There's no way they would

505
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Speaker 1: ever want to four go some of the money that

506
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Speaker 1: we're talking about here. The SEC paid out what fifty

507
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: five million dollars last season. Yeah, there's no way you

508
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: could ever get institutions to separate themselves from that. They

509
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: love that, they thrive on that. They use that money

510
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: for a lot of good purposes as well. It's not

511
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Speaker 1: all underhanded. But of course, I just think we're going

512
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: to come to a point Dan where the money we're

513
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: talking about here just super seeds whatever the old collegiate

514
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: football structure was supposed to be. How college football reorganizes

515
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: itself over the next twenty years I think will be

516
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Speaker 1: really interesting because it's going to this place. The money

517
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: is only going to get greater, right, you know, how

518
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Speaker 1: they keep this as a college thing where everybody can

519
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: quote unquote compete is going to be very fascinating to me. Yeah.

520
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's not going to fundamentally change maybe

521
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: the organization of the sport, but I think college football

522
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 2: is going to remain college football in the way that

523
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: teams are affiliated with schools, and players attend classes and

524
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: whatever gets scholarships and the opportunity to make nil money.

525
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: I just I'm trying to sort of fast forward and

526
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Speaker 2: see what a twelve team playoff look looks like. Wherever

527
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Speaker 2: the games are played, whether they're on campus, whether a

528
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: neutral field, NFL stadium type places, what does that look like?

529
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Speaker 2: How does that it benefits the fans, at least in

530
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Speaker 2: the short term in that we get high quality matchups.

531
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Speaker 2: I don't think there are a lot of national college

532
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Speaker 2: football fans in the way that there are national fans

533
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: of other sports because of things like gambling in pools

534
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: and fantasy and things like that. There are I think

535
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: that people are just fans of their teams, and they

536
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: want to see their rivals lose. They want to beat

537
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: their rivals. They want to have as winning a season

538
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: as possible and share the experience with their friends and family.

539
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: That is the core of the sport. And I think

540
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: that's been proven otherwise. That's been proven over and over again.

541
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Speaker 2: So where do we go Once Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson,

542
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: you know, the lightning in a bottle, LSU, you know

543
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Speaker 2: those types of programs are continually dominating the semi finals

544
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: of a twelve team tournament. Do we get to an

545
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: apathetic place where Wisconsin playing Notre Dame or Baylor playing

546
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 2: Michigan becomes kind of, well, the game is cool, but

547
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: we already know that they can't hang with Alabama. Like

548
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: we saw a playoff this year in which we basically

549
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: had no household names at quarterback just because Bryce Young

550
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: was a freshman it was his first year starting, and

551
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: then Stetson Bennett, Cade McNamara, and Desmond Ritter. So we've

552
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: got a you know, American Conference quarterback, a quarterback for

553
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: Georgia who is good but not the reason, the central

554
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: reason why they were winning, and the quarterback for Michigan

555
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: who is likely not the best quarterback on Michigan's roster

556
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Speaker 2: based on what we look to the future with Michigan

557
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: football and their offense looking like So it's just going

558
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: to be difficult to sell that. I think in the

559
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: long term that this is a good thing for the sport,

560
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: that more teams are getting the opportunity. Now if a

561
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: team like Utah, if a team like Michigan, if a

562
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: team like you know, TCU or something, can turn a

563
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: playoff berth into a huge boon in recruiting and then

564
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: are perennially in that conversation. That's interesting, but that hasn't

565
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: really happened when you look at and Ari brought this

566
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: point up in his piece, Michigan State or Washington or

567
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: even Oregon when they made the playoff, Florida State was

568
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: an a to turn that into year over year playoff

569
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: caliber teams. It's just really difficult. And we have this

570
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: utopian view of college football as a sport with parody

571
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: and everybody gets a shot and settle things on the field,

572
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: and I just don't think it's a reality in which

573
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Speaker 2: we live. So I'm good with expanding the playoff if

574
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 2: that's what everybody wants do it, But I just I

575
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: don't see how long term the thing that people seem

576
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: to want in parody is solved. It's an opportunity, it's

577
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: an invite. But also I think those of us who

578
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: have watched the sport for a long time, which I

579
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: assume is most people listening to this show kind of

580
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: understand how it's going to go, even if they don't

581
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: want to admit it.

582
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Speaker 1: Right, you know, you can't expand this playoff the thirty two, right, Like,

583
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: there's only so many teams that are truly title worthy.

584
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Speaker 1: And while I do think it's important to expand it

585
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: beyond four. I always thought for it was kind of dumb.

586
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: You've got five power conferences, You've got a whole other

587
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: group of five set of conferences that you claim are

588
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: equal but aren't really, And so to start with four,

589
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: to me, it was always weird.

590
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, they were just trying to incrementally grow, I get,

591
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: and not be true too dramatic. That's what college football is.

592
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: It's a very conservative sport. Competitively, it was stupid.

593
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: It was a stupid move to do what they did.

594
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I get why they did it, it was still stupid.

595
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: So now we're at this point where expansion seems inevitable.

596
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Speaker 1: If we go to twelve, there will probably be calls

597
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Speaker 1: to go to sixteen at some point or even right.

598
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: That's what worries me. Bracket creep. That was the term

599
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: for it way back whencket creep when we started doing

600
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Speaker 1: sixty eighteen. Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm for it

601
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: until i'm against it. I'm I'm I'm playing the Politically,

602
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: you'd have Yeah, you'd have crowds chanting flip flop at you.

603
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: I think that's how that would work.

604
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: I would I'm worried about what it does to some

605
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: of those rivalries in the same way that you are.

606
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if the sport is now

607
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: committed fully to the bit of trying to crown a champion,

608
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 1: then this is the only way you can do it.

609
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see when we get here. You know,

610
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: it's a few years down the line. It'll be here

611
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: before you know it. But hopefully before then we'll have,

612
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: you know a lot better since for as Jim Phillips says,

613
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: what some of the other changing factors in college football

614
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: are doing to the sport. Hopefully by that point in

615
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: time we'll get all these other wrinkles ironed out. But

616
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: certainly a news story that we're going to have to

617
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: keep tabs on here over the next couple months and years.

618
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you this, Yeah, both of our teams

619
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: have been on the precipice, much more so than ninety

620
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: five percent of programs in college football of winning a

621
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: national championship. In the last decade or so. Notre Dame

622
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: has been in the playoff a couple times, was in

623
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Speaker 2: a BCS national championship against Alabama. Oregon has been in

624
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: two national championship games and lost them, and we were

625
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: certainly rooting like hell for our teams to win national

626
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: championship because it would have been cool to see our

627
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: teams win. So this may sound like a leading question,

628
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: but I think that context is important that we really

629
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: have wanted over the course of the last ten to

630
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: twelve years our teams to win national championships. Is it

631
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: good for college football to be a national championship focused sport?

632
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know, there is no college football. We

633
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: have a number of conferences who want different things and

634
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: teams who want different things within those conferences with different

635
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: realistic goals. The focus on a national championship the end

636
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: all be all thing, Like, is that a good thing

637
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: to sort of have as a center, a central point

638
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: of a conversation around the sport because obviously all sports,

639
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: all major sports, are organized in different ways. You know,

640
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: you have EPL where somebody just kind of wins based

641
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: on what happens during the season. But then you have

642
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: the Champions League where you have all sorts of great

643
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: teams playing in a tournament. You have you know, the

644
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: way the Stanley Cup and NBA playoffs in baseball where

645
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: they play a series of games like it's all organized

646
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: in different ways. College football has always been culturally and

647
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: competitively an outlier from the other major sports, and I

648
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: sort of think, and it's impossible to go backwards. I

649
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: understand that. I totally am fully willing to admit that.

650
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Speaker 2: But is there anything that we can do as a

651
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Speaker 2: duo with whatever our audience is. Is there anything that

652
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Speaker 2: can be done in the way the sport is framed

653
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Speaker 2: and the way that even conferences think about their TV

654
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Speaker 2: networks think about the sport where we're maximizing the season,

655
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Speaker 2: and we're maximizing say January first, like New Year's Day

656
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Speaker 2: used to be a holiday. The scarcity of January first

657
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Speaker 2: was the best thing ever. Is there anything that we

658
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Speaker 2: can do in the way that the sport is framed

659
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Speaker 2: and organized that at least moves the focus away?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if we're moving the focus away from

661
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Speaker 1: the championship, the next obvious place to move it would

662
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Speaker 1: be to qualifying for the playoff. Whatever that looks like

663
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Speaker 1: much the way that you would try to put value

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Speaker 1: on a conference championship. There are a lot of teams

665
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Speaker 1: out there for who may.

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Speaker 2: It's still funneling, I know, but.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we're going under the assumption that there's

668
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Speaker 1: really only three teams that can win it. Anyway, getting

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Speaker 1: to the playoff is something that you can recruit on

670
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Speaker 1: getting to the playoff if you're a group of five team,

671
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Speaker 1: If you can do it in a couple of years,

672
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Speaker 1: that's suddenly a big time recruiting tool. Maybe we've got

673
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Speaker 1: a group of five program that jumps up and is

674
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Speaker 1: suddenly a lot more prominent the new school Boise State,

675
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Speaker 1: if you will. That's interesting to me, and that's interesting

676
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Speaker 1: to a lot of the people that listen to the show.

677
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Speaker 1: So focusing in this future state on playoff qualification instead

678
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Speaker 1: of national championship is one angle that I think makes

679
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Speaker 1: some sense. Another way that you could play it is

680
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Speaker 1: it could just go full contrarian Dan. You could go

681
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: full Contraria and the way you have on occasion and

682
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Speaker 1: really try to highlight the rivalries and focus on in

683
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Speaker 1: season storylines and not so much on the playoff. You know,

684
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Speaker 1: playoff be damned storyline, something that we got to follow at,

685
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Speaker 1: something we got to cover here on a college football podcast.

686
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Speaker 1: But by not putting as much emphasis on that the

687
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: way the national media would, perhaps then you carve out

688
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Speaker 1: a separate lane for yourself and you find some sympathizers

689
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Speaker 1: with you. Beyond that, though, it is hard to go

690
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: up against this gigantic media storm that is an expanded playoff.

691
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Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to fruition, it's gonna be suffocating in

692
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Speaker 1: the same way that the playoff was suffocating the first

693
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Speaker 1: time around. I'm a playoff proponent. I was all for

694
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Speaker 1: it then, I'm all for it now. I'm interested in

695
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Speaker 1: how this plays itself out. I have concerns as well,

696
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Speaker 1: maybe not to the extent that you do, but I

697
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Speaker 1: just think it will be you will have more Jimmy

698
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Speaker 1: Kimmel commercials, you will have more custom jingles, You'll have

699
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Speaker 1: more of the stupid who's in stuff from ESPN whoever

700
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Speaker 1: gets it. You'll have probably multiple networks at that point

701
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Speaker 1: doing the commercials as well. It will be in your

702
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Speaker 1: face if you're a college football fans, So perhaps to

703
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Speaker 1: just go full one eighty, we're steering into bedlam as

704
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Speaker 1: our national championship. That's one way you could go at it.

705
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Speaker 1: My hunch is that there'll be a lot of folks

706
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Speaker 1: who are very, very sick of all the promotional material

707
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Speaker 1: that comes with a new playoff.

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Speaker 2: Of course, more teams means more emphasis on making the playoff,

709
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Speaker 2: on winning the playoff, and I don't know. I'm just

710
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Speaker 2: I don't see that in changing the way that the

711
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Speaker 2: sport is framed in any sort of advantageous way.

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Speaker 1: At that point, fallout boys probably in their fifties. Are

713
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Speaker 1: they right in another jingle for the next version of

714
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: the playoff like you did the first time around? I

715
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Speaker 1: don't know if there's an audience for that.

716
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Speaker 2: If we're up to my three year old fallout boy

717
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: can do no and he's all in, so no matter

718
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: their age, he's ready. If we're up to the rest

719
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Speaker 2: of the country and the consuming public, I'm not so sure. Yeah,

720
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Speaker 2: It's what I think we actually need to get to

721
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Speaker 2: is we need to get to a point where we

722
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Speaker 2: rethink the postseason and you can call various things a playoff,

723
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Speaker 2: even if it's like reorganized bull pods and we have

724
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Speaker 2: a mega January first blowout and then we have a

725
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Speaker 2: couple teams emerge from that where I don't know what

726
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Speaker 2: it is. I think the way that the sport is

727
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Speaker 2: organized in conferences, I think we're heading to a point

728
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Speaker 2: where if we still want a national championship, if we

729
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Speaker 2: still want a playoff. We're going to need to get

730
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Speaker 2: to a point where there are I've talked about like

731
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Speaker 2: an ESPN side of things and a Fox side of things,

732
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Speaker 2: that the reason why playoffs work in other sports is

733
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Speaker 2: they're organized in a much more sensical way. Well, there

734
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Speaker 2: are fewer teams, Yes, there are fewer teams. There are

735
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Speaker 2: far fewer teams. And look, if we are going to

736
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Speaker 2: be honest, Cincinnati is a major program. Cincinnati is in

737
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Speaker 2: fact the first group of five pro to make the playoff.

738
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Speaker 2: But they happen to be a major program playing in

739
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Speaker 2: the American So I still am of the mind that

740
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Speaker 2: the sport needs to be organized in a better way

741
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Speaker 2: of how seriously and unseriously programs take major college football.

742
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Speaker 2: And until we get to that point, we're just we're

743
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: just daisy chaining in half thought of ideas in pursuit

744
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: of something that isn't actually advantageous for the sport. So

745
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: it's going to expand we're going to talk about it.

746
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: We will profit from it in our own very tiny

747
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: little way, but in terms of good for the people

748
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Speaker 2: who actually care about the sport, who are on recruiting

749
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Speaker 2: message boards, who are watching spring games, who are watching

750
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: random you know, Hawaii Fresno State at midnight Eastern or whatever.

751
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the playoff and expanding the playoff is

752
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: doing right by the central core audience of the sport.

753
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think those people of which we

754
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: are too, I think those people are being led into this.

755
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: What if we made college football a little more like

756
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: the NFL when it's just not.

757
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Speaker 1: Well not Look soliverbo at gmail dot com is the

758
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: email address, as always where you can write in. If

759
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: you're a Patreon subscriber, you can send us a note

760
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: on discord. We'll be stopping by pretty much all of

761
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: the normal checkpoints to see what folks have to say

762
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: about this. I do feel like you have converted some

763
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Speaker 1: to your side of the argument, which is but that's

764
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Speaker 1: which is go back to the bulls Now, it's not

765
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. You know.

766
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Speaker 2: No, I'm good with bowls and bcs. I'm good with that.

767
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: But it's Look, it's again, we're not moving backwards. I

768
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Speaker 2: just there's this like notion that like college football will

769
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: be better if we include the West coast, when a

770
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: lot of people on the West Coast don't care about

771
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Speaker 2: college football. I'm from here, I went to school here,

772
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Speaker 2: and it's a reality, like, oh, people are going to

773
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: care more about the playoff if Washington or Oregon or

774
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: USC isn't it now. They cared about the playoff because

775
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll was at USC, because they knew or the

776
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: BCS because they knew Matt Liner and Reggie Bush's name.

777
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: There were household names. It's basically impossible right now in

778
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, if we're going to live in the present,

779
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: to have long lists of household names in the sport.

780
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Speaker 2: But all of these other sports with household names are

781
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: able to succeed because people care, people know about the names,

782
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: people care, and so we are we're trying to fit

783
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: the sport into like a weird funnel when the reality

784
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two is such that like just doesn't exist.

785
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Speaker 1: More to come on this story, for sure, it had

786
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Speaker 1: been talked about for a good part of the last year.

787
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Speaker 1: It sort of came out of the blue that a

788
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Speaker 1: twelve team playoff, a proposal for the playoff had emerged,

789
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Speaker 1: that they were going to take it up, that there

790
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: was a possibility they could take it up sooner, that

791
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: they could change the system. That's not going to happen,

792
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: not gonna happen for a couple more years, but they're

793
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Speaker 1: surely not to stop talking about it, So let us

794
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Speaker 1: know your thoughts. Again, We're on Twitter, all the social

795
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Speaker 1: media platforms, right and let us know. We'll post clips

796
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Speaker 1: from this episode out there. Please feel free to respond

797
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Speaker 1: on those clips. Let us know what your thoughts are.

798
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: But playoff expansion not happening for the interim, would you

799
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Speaker 1: go to a.

800
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame twelve team playoff game like an opening round game.

801
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: I know you're not a big travel person because of

802
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: the show and you need to be in the studio

803
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: and stuff. But if it worked out that, you know,

804
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: Notre Dame was playing in such a tantalizing matchup and

805
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: in a place that you'd want, like Notre Dame Texas

806
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: in Austin. You like Austin a lot, I would be intrigued.

807
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Speaker 1: I would be intrigued going to one of those games

808
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Speaker 1: on campus.

809
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you should be.

810
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be intrigued by that. And to be

811
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Speaker 1: honest with you, all the other stuff aside, that's the

812
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Speaker 1: part that I find the most exciting. That's the part

813
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Speaker 1: that I find the most excited about. An expanded field

814
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Speaker 1: having first round games on campus. I don't know where

815
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: they're at with that, by the way, I don't know

816
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: if that's going to be a thing or not going

817
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: to be a thing. They're trying to force feed that

818
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: through the bowl system or what. But that possibility of

819
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: keeping games on campus, really high leverage games on campus

820
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Speaker 1: is exciting to be I'd love to go to not

821
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Speaker 1: just a Notre Dame game, any of those games.

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Speaker 2: I would love it to be on the front end.

823
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: I would love people talk about all of these great

824
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Speaker 2: matchups between teams that you normally don't get to see

825
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: play against each other. I would love some sort of

826
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Speaker 2: central body and some sort of ping pong show in May,

827
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Speaker 2: in February or whatever in the doldrums of the college

828
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Speaker 2: football year to select like every team has four non

829
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Speaker 2: conference games, and there are two or three of them.

830
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Speaker 2: If you're a Power five program, hopefully the ping pong

831
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Speaker 2: ball bounces your way. We're only playing on campus, and

832
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Speaker 2: we're getting all sorts of crazy fun. Matt, we get Oregon, Florida,

833
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Speaker 2: we get Notre Dame. I mean, Notre Dame's played a

834
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Speaker 2: lot of non conference games as an independent team, but

835
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Speaker 2: you get you know, Notre Dame Washington or Notre Dame Texas.

836
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Speaker 2: We a few years ago with the eighteen wheeler game, like,

837
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Speaker 2: we have all of these matchups and it helps us

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Speaker 2: to actually figure out who's good for determining a national

839
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Speaker 2: championship at the end of the year because the data

840
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: is so much more meaningful. See that's what i'd like.

841
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: I like this addressed on the front end rather than

842
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: in a playoff. But I don't know, maybe I'm different.

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Speaker 1: version of our normal goofiness as we talked through a

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Speaker 1: few news items. For that guy over there, my good

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Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrand. We will catch

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Speaker 1: you all on Thursday. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,