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Speaker 1: it's about Lebron James and the Lakers and the whole

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Speaker 1: Matters here now let's Move to venezuela And the. Western Hemisphere,

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Speaker 1: ukraine situation because this is where the moral code. Completely Disappears,

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Speaker 1: Titanium Uranium so ukraine's sovereignty is. Simply collateral this is pillar.

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Speaker 1: Number three negotiating leverage beats. Moral clarity So in nigeria we.

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Speaker 1: Inalienable rights so what do our allies see in? All,

423
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Speaker 1: this well here's the PART there i think matters. The

424
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Speaker 1: most this Isn't changing american, form policy but it is

425
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: Changing how americas perceived and europe leaders no longer are

426
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: whispering about this. Issue anymore they're openly talking about what's called. Strategic,

427
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: autonomy translation we Don't trust washington and we Can't trust.

428
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: America anymore some that are very much in the isolation

429
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Speaker 1: of Wings good europe should pay for their. Own security

430
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: america shouldn't be. Doing it, To this i'm always ready

431
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Speaker 1: to Respond, WITH okay i. Get it you Don't want

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Speaker 1: america to be THE, world's beacp but you do know

433
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Speaker 1: somebody's going to be the world's. Bee cop you really

434
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: want putin and she to decide who the bea? Cop

435
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Speaker 1: is or do you Want The united states? To decide

436
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: but let me put a pin. In That, in nigeria

437
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: officials are scrambling to have to walk back to the

438
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: religious framing because they're now turning a counter terrorism operation legit.

439
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: Counter terrorism this is. Radical extremism this isn't about some

440
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: crusade fight Between the Christians. And MUSLIMS although i do

441
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: think the president's trying to appease a small group of

442
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: people in this country who do see it, as this

443
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: but they're turning this count when you turn a counter

444
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: terrorism operation into a quote, religious Crusade what nigerians fear

445
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: is that this is going to put a target on their,

446
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: own citizens because if you start to justify Killing via

447
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: god rather than sort of via the actual humans living on,

448
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: this planet that is how you get, more bloodshed and

449
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: that's how you get no remorse with. That Bloodshed In,

450
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: latin america governments That dislike maduro are Alarmed at america's

451
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: behavior because if oil seizures, become precedent than any resource

452
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: rich Country In latin america could. Be next america isn't

453
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: being seen. As unreliable it's simply being seen, as, transactional

454
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: frankly no Different. Than china and if we're going to

455
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: behave the exact Same way, china does which is, essentially

456
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: transactional pure, and simple then don't be surprised when people

457
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Speaker 1: that used to be our, ally, say Huh maybe i'll

458
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Speaker 1: get a better Deal. From china that's kind of, a

459
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: problem don't, you think which gives us leads me TO

460
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Speaker 1: what i believe is a. Brand, Problem now so for seventy,

461
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: five years rightly, Or wrongly america sold. One idea we

462
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Speaker 1: sold the idea that, borders matter that. Sovereignty matters and

463
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: look what we did to defend the Sovereignty of. Kuwit successfully,

464
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: mind you force is constrained by an accepted set. Of

465
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: rules now the rule, is simple what's in it? For

466
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: us and can we? Enforce it that's. Not leadership it's essentially. Portfolio.

467
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: Management right he sees himself as the head of a

468
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: private equity fund who's just trying to make that fund, more, financially, bigger.

469
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: Wealthier etcetera and here's the but here's. The dangers if

470
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: allies don't want to be, our customers they're going to,

471
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: Shop Around. Hello beijing and if credibility, becomes conditional partnerships

472
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: will become. Extraordinarily temporary so in a World with Moscow,

473
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: in beijing this Is again putin's worldview is. Everything's transactional

474
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: there is no, moral clarity there is no, you know

475
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: democracy's bullshit as Far as. Putin's concerned and if we accept,

476
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: his Worldview Which donald, trump does this is the. Huge

477
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: problem and so does She and that's why. He gravitates

478
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: that's why he won't confront when they, violate norms but

479
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: he will confront anybody else who's quote smaller Than The

480
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: united states when. THEY do i think it leads us.

481
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: Very vulnerable so here's. The problem trump might get a

482
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: few short term. Wins, here, hey look he protected a

483
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: Handful of Christians. In nigeria maybe maybe he TOOK, out

484
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: isis or maybe he just radicalized religious extremists even More

485
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: in nigeria seizing. A, tanker okay you're going to create

486
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: regime Change. In venezuela are we going to? Manage that

487
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: or are we just going to walk away and let

488
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: the chips fall where they? May not managing dictatorships that

489
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: fall and helping with it leads to some really. Bad

490
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: outcomes see My time Todd Cast time machine segments On

491
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: The ottoman empire and the fall Of The soviet union basically.

492
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: Another empire.

493
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: But you can lose the.

494
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: One asset we are losing the one asset that mattered,

495
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: a lot and it's frankly an asset we talk about

496
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: in my fight to restore legitimacy, and media and that.

497
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: Is trust and once trust, is gone no amount, of

498
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: missiles minerals or holiday posts can buy. It back we're

499
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: not leading the world. Right now we're negotiating it one

500
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: transaction of, a time and that's an extraordinarily risky thing

501
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: for us. To do and We ignore trump's crazy on

502
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: his social media posts because, we, think hell, you know he's,

503
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: all bark very. Little bite but the bites he does

504
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: DO and i agree the bites are smaller than. You

505
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: think but the bites that he does do sets, us

506
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: back sets us back on trust around, the world just

507
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: like he. Has done he wants to any institution that

508
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: has ever, been legitimate he tries. To delegitimize he did IT,

509
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: With nato he's done it with. Mainstream media he. Does

510
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: it he does it in so, many aspects does it

511
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: with the rule. Of law he just, you know it is.

512
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: It is he is in, some WAYS like, I said

513
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: i want TO. Be tv i've called him, this before

514
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: a WANNA be. Tv mobster real mobsters are sort of

515
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: smaller and pettier and not as and not as Glamorous

516
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: as trump builds him up in. His Head but trump

517
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: is a creature, of, fiction right he. Is not his

518
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: ideal is something he saw in. A movie or on a.

519
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Television show it's not something that's. Actually. Existing right this

520
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: has always been the disconnect Between The donald trump Version

521
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: of america and the actual Version. Of america What the

522
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: america he wants to make great again is the one

523
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Speaker 1: he Saw Via John. Wayne, films right it's Not the

524
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Speaker 1: america that actually in the fifties. And sixties and so

525
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: it is a bit of. A fantasy and it's just

526
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: like what kind of leader he wants. To be he

527
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: admires Guys Like john gotti on an, actual mobster but

528
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: he also admires People. Like putin he does admire People Like,

529
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: tony soprano a, fictional mobster because of the total and

530
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: complete control. They had and that's ultimately, it's clear whatever

531
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: it is that he's never had in, his life he

532
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: keeps looking for something to have, more control to be,

533
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: in charge to, be venerated to. Be wards but whatever,

534
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: it is he's and in Some ways i've, always said lucky,

535
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: for us he's still looking for some sort of human

536
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: acknowledgment of, his existence which in some ways may explain

537
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: why he behaves the way. He, behaves right he is desperate.

538
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: For affection i've seen. It MYSELF when i compared HIM,

539
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: TO fdr i didn't compare him positively. OR negatively i

540
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: just compared. Him factually he saw it as a positive

541
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: because that's what. He wants he wants to be seen

542
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: as bigger than. The moment he wants to be seen

543
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: as somebody who were all stuck learning about, in history

544
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: whether we like it. Or not and in some ways

545
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: he thinks. Great people your greatness is measured by how

546
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: much impact, you have regardless of whether that impact is positive.

547
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: OR negative i, really truly and this to me has

548
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: always been the. Warning side you know. IT does, i

549
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: mean it's alarming what we may end up Doing. With,

550
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: Ukraine now i'm pretty confident the unintended consequence of this isolationist,

551
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: foreign policy that the pres the sort, of transactional semi isolationist,

552
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: foreign policies sort Of, anti europe is that it's going

553
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: To strengthen europe and it's going to Make The european

554
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: union a more an actual competitor to. Us economically it's

555
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: going To strengthen europe's INVOLVEMENT in nato in such a

556
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: way that we may we may miss the influence we.

557
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: Once HAD so i do think There's and that's, the,

558
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: Thing right there's always unintended consequences that develop when we

559
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: try to engineer the world through, our prism and we

560
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: want everybody to see things absolutely through the prism of

561
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: how he wants to. Make things everybody else gets to

562
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: say in. This too and while it looks like there's

563
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: no consistency into this, foreign policy we are starting to see.

564
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: A consistency he picks on smaller entities to try to make.

565
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: A point he ultimately, sees things as, you know like

566
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: he did With the. Iraqi oil he still to this

567
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: day believes that oil Belongs to america since we Helped,

568
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: liberate iraq that that should be. The price everything is,

569
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Speaker 1: a transaction which is the exact Worldview That vladimir putin

570
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: has been preaching since he took office at the start

571
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: of this twenty. First Century, All right so with that

572
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: we will transition From One christmas day unpacking of our

573
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,880
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Speaker 1: of sports culture politics. In, GENERAL obviously i think many

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Speaker 1: of us now realize politics is downstream from culture as.

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Speaker 1: IT is I also i am a huge believer that

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Speaker 1: sports is something that actually is a way to knit

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Speaker 1: the country's polarized communities, back together particularly on the. LOCAL

636
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Speaker 1: level i still think it's the answer on. LOCAL news

637
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Speaker 1: i say all that as my way of trying to

638
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Speaker 1: give all of us the excuse who are focused on

639
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Speaker 1: the political world every now and then to focus on my.

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Speaker 1: Next guest it's Your. Own whitesman he's author of a

641
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Speaker 1: new Book Called. Hollywood ending It's the Dreams and drama

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Speaker 1: Of The lebron Lakers h, and yes it's going to

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Speaker 1: to do With, the Lakers. Basketball LEBRON but i think

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Speaker 1: we all it's fair To say lebron is part of

646
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Speaker 1: the larger Zeitgeist of america and perhaps the Same Way

647
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Speaker 1: taylor swift is part of the Zeitgeist. Of america people

648
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Speaker 1: do want to know What does lebron Think About? Donald

649
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Speaker 1: What does lebron Think About? Michael jordan? Right like and

651
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Speaker 1: in that sense that that is sort of the world we.

652
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Speaker 1: Live in and that's part of my goal of this

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Speaker 1: podcast is to sort of always have an aperture that's

654
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Speaker 1: wide enough to include all aspects. Of that so there's

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Speaker 1: my rationale and excuse for taking a love it break.

656
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Speaker 1: Your ownA it's good to meet.

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Speaker 5: YOU too i love, YOU know i Like that you're

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Speaker 5: making me feel better.

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Speaker 2: About myself so there.

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Speaker 1: You go thank, you well You, pitched look you pitched

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Speaker 1: LOT but I have i've always been. YOU know i

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people know that that follow me

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Speaker 1: through politics know. That, it uh, you know a better

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Speaker 1: than average sports fan Is how i'd like to present

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Speaker 1: Done it i'm guessing there's a lot of sports writers

671
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Speaker 1: AND reporters i know that would love to be political writers,

672
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Speaker 1: and reporters and there's a lot of political reporters and

673
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Speaker 1: writers that would love to be.

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Speaker 5: Sports reporter grass is, always, Greener RIGHT but i started

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Speaker 5: your local news stuff, and UH and i know what you're,

677
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Speaker 5: doing now you know MY first i still joke that

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Speaker 5: this DAY including, nba people Than These Scarsdale new york

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Speaker 5: so yeah you.

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Speaker 1: Correct well, in fact let's let's spend a couple of

686
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Speaker 1: minutes tell me about how you, you know how you

687
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Speaker 1: got to being a.

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Speaker 2: Book author it always the goal of a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of reporters can you get to the point where you

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Speaker 1: don't have to do the day to day grind, as

691
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Speaker 1: much where you can do the long, form reporting the

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Speaker 1: eighteen month projects rather than the eighteen. Hour.

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Speaker 5: Projects yeah so, FOR me, i MEAN so, i STARTED like,

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Speaker 5: I mean nba was always. My sport basketball is always my.

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Speaker 5: thing and, feature writing.

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Speaker 2: And there was a bit of a renaissance.

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Speaker 1: Around it in.

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Speaker 5: A way if you can do good stuff that reporting,

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Speaker 5: not necessarily going to be that wouldn't let itself Out on.

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Speaker 5: Friday nights we taught of some stuff that, happened THERE

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Speaker 2: Around that so a mix. OF it I just i

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Speaker 5: THE way, i mean it's more of a media, conversation

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Speaker 5: too but sort of so much as, SPORTS reporting i

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Speaker 5: think other reporting, in general but sports reporting now has

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Speaker 5: the day to day scoops go to them and just

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Speaker 5: it's just it's been.

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Speaker 2: Punted, basically otherwise well.

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Speaker 1: It's access, YOU know i always, say this, YOU know

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Speaker 1: i go to a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Journalism, schools yeah.

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Speaker 1: PARTICULARLY after i left meet the press as we try

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to how to, you know how

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Speaker 1: are we going to fix this sort of this, next

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733
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Speaker 1: trust issue and all. Of THAT and i talk about

734
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Speaker 1: the different forms. Of journalism there's accountability, journalism there and,

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Speaker 1: you know, in politics when you're an, access journalist that's

736
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Speaker 1: as negative as. It, comes oh you're just you're just being.

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Speaker 1: Spoon fed You're the, trump reporter or you're the Or

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Speaker 1: the schumer reporter or something. Like that where in, sports

739
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Speaker 1: sorts if you're not if you don't have access to,

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Speaker 1: the building you can't do your job as the. Beat

741
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Speaker 1: reporter it's. Not fair so you sometimes have to pull

742
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Speaker 1: a punch because these are. Private organizations right, In politics

743
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Speaker 1: i'm covering a taxpayer funded organization.

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Speaker 2: And they, need, you right they need you to get

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Speaker 2: the message, out.

746
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Speaker 1: LIKE well i, don't know like arguably LESS so i

747
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Speaker 1: would argue that that less on that it's more of

748
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Speaker 1: we at least Have the Freedom Of, information, act right

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Speaker 1: we have things that we can use because it's taxpayer

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Speaker 1: funded and they can't really, you know we Have That, first,

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Speaker 1: amendment right and it is About The first amendment is

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Speaker 1: about government getting in the way a private organization can

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Speaker 1: decide who they. Talk to any anytime. They WANT and

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Speaker 1: i remember we locally we got a taste of this

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Speaker 1: when The Then washington redskins, now Commanders When dan schneider.

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Speaker 1: Opened him he just Barred The washington post from being

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Speaker 1: able to cover. The organize So The washington posts could

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Speaker 1: cover The Controversy, rondane schneyder but they couldn't tell you

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Speaker 1: who was injured this week and was who was practicing

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Speaker 1: this week because they weren't. Allowed in and that was

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Speaker 1: a disservice to the readers Of The. Washington POST so

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Speaker 1: i always struggle with this issue in sports of just,

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Speaker 1: you know there's no doubt you just identified there's like

764
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Speaker 1: three or four guys that get all. The handouts but those.

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Speaker 1: Are handouts let's not pretend they're anything other though, for

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Speaker 1: sure one.

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Speaker 5: Hundred percent that's a big part, of, It RIGHT and,

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Speaker 5: i mean now we're not and it becomes, you know

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Speaker 5: what you're saying is, so true and it's this is

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Speaker 5: not me selling the book in, this.

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Speaker 2: Way but like one of the THREE reasons I thought

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Speaker 2: i could write.

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Speaker 5: The book I'm A, NEW yorker i don't Cover the lakers,

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Speaker 5: a lot and there were issues With the lakers, at

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Speaker 5: ME but i don't rely on them like THE arena

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Speaker 5: that's THE team i, deal with which it's their. Own

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Speaker 5: problems we can talk about the. Nick separately but If,

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Speaker 5: the lakers If the lakers got annoyed, in me and, they,

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Speaker 5: Did like i'm not dependent on them for a credential

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Speaker 5: to do, my JOB and i thought that was A

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Speaker 5: value i could bring to the to the books specifically

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Speaker 5: because exactly what, you're, saying, yeah no one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred percent and in some ways it's always been the

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Speaker 1: case at any news organization that if you're going to

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Speaker 1: do an, investigative piece don't don't actually Let the beat

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Speaker 1: Have the beat reporters, do it because you're gonna cut

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Speaker 1: go get somebody who who is it there all, the

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Speaker 1: time right who can go in and sort of in

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Speaker 1: some ways it's a fresher set. Of eyes like if

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Speaker 1: you're with a team data day, to day weird stuff

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Speaker 1: comes across as normal to you because you don't know

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Speaker 1: the alternative versus you're coming from a farther away so

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Speaker 1: you can see. The weird you have a better shot

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Speaker 1: identifying the weird than the average beat writer Of, the lakers.

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Speaker 5: For sure AND like, i say, you know part of

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Speaker 5: It is i've taken a few shots in this, media

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Speaker 5: it is also that it's.

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Speaker 2: Different job so if you.

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Speaker 5: post Right if lebron's not talking, to you you're failing.

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Speaker 5: Your job like you are that your job is to

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Speaker 5: tell get. That access that's part of, the job and

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Speaker 5: you act part of the, dirty war but but that's

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Speaker 5: literally your job is To get lebron and tell fans what.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 5: Is Right SO I'M i i make fun of, it

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Speaker 1: Right i think that that's. The THING like i look

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Speaker 1: lot of different flavors of journalism that. We need you need,

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Speaker 1: your accountability you need, your access you need, your service

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Speaker 1: like we could sit here and go. Through it so

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Speaker 1: you you went about this How many i'm guessing this

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Speaker 1: is not the first iteration Of a lebron book.

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Speaker 5: i wanted to do we Start Is Lebron, big Three The,

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Speaker 5: little bit To a jewish Version. Of miami people Might

847
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 5: Remember dan lebtard and he had his FATHER. On tv,

848
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: oh yeah, rappy, Hoppy right so It's a jewish version.

849
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: Of that so That that heat team had like a

850
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 5: special place in my HEART because i was talking about them.

851
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 5: A lot i had tried doing a book on the.

852
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 5: My order so The first LEBRON idea i HAD and i, always,

853
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 5: SAY no i, like Books and i'm the general Of

854
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 5: the big but it's also a. Commercial, endeavor uh so

855
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: you never HAVE thing i, Could Sell so lebron is

856
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 5: obviously that doesn't mean you have to be interested in the,

857
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 5: topic too but it has to be the commercial aspect.

858
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 5: To it AND so i Pitched the UH what i

859
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 5: wanted to do WAS that i had to propose on

860
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 5: Everything The Big three heat and just. Didn't work someone

861
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 5: else was going to do IT and i heard. About

862
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 5: it they ended up NOT doing i don't actually genuinely

863
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 5: don't know what, happened THERE but i HAD to i had,

864
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 5: to pivot and we ended Up.

865
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: With lakers, you know, it's.

866
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: Tough you know with sports books is, YOU know i

867
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: sit there and like my favorite sports books are a

868
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: variety of. Different, types, Like uh october sixty four is

869
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: just an all timer for me because it's a book

870
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: that's not really, about, baseball right it's about the civil

871
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: rights movement and sort of the beginning and the end,

872
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: of it and then sort of the role. Sports played

873
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: and it's Just Obviously halbert stam is sort Of the

874
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: he's The north star, Sports, right like, you know nobody

875
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: does it, Like Him so i'm not going to say.

876
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: There's that BUT then i love some. Moral histories there's

877
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: a great one ABOUT the Aba Called Loose. Balls, falls

878
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: yep oh, my god it's it is ONE That i

879
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: my fandom for that book. ONLY grows, i mean it

880
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: was just like A terrific it's a reminder that there

881
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: are certain recent histories are sometimes better told via oral

882
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: history than trying having one writer's voice to try to capture.

883
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: The moment but the larger difficulty in sports books is

884
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: getting out of, a region right or getting out of a,

885
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: metro area which IS why, I mean i've pitched some

886
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: sports and politics books and have struggled to get publishers

887
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: to buy it because of. This issue lebron obviously is

888
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: somebody that's bigger for the REASON that i stated in.

889
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: Our introduction lebron is a, cultural icon not just a.

890
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: Basketball icon and then you merge it With, the lakers

891
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: also a, cultural icon AND suddenly i now see where

892
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: you have a.

893
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: Commercial, VEHICLE yeah I, Mean lebron, like listen you could

894
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 5: be it's not even any, sports fan but even other not,

895
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 5: sports fans if You say, lebron opinions it's interesting because.

896
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: They don't they don't necessarily, like him and that's an

897
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 5: interesting THING that i find, About him like the obviously

898
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 5: compare Him to jordan always and it seems to elicit

899
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 5: a different.

900
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: Emotional response it's the strangest Are ARE and i guess

901
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: THAT'S where i want. To, start Yeah Because I'VE i've

902
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: i Will confess i've started. The book i've not finished,

903
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: the book.

904
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: But well it is, that's okay.

905
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: It Is a this feels Like a, lebron book Not a. Lakers.

906
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: BOOK yeah i think that's, probably true or THE way

907
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: i The way i've sort of thought it through is

908
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: it's like on the SO what i like. To do

909
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: one of THE things i like to write.

910
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: About in THE way i sort of approach, MY job

911
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 5: i think is in THE way i summarize IT is

912
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 5: i like WRITING about i describe it the things that

913
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 5: happen behind the scenes that we don't see that impact

914
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 5: what happens on the court that we. Do, See right

915
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 5: and so, for me this is sort of a look

916
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 5: At the i'll call it the merger really because it's

917
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 5: more than a merger between these two iconic sporting Institutions

918
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 5: of lebron And the lakers and what that looks. Like

919
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 5: Together but lebron is sort of the, you know everything

920
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 5: goes to him and him and his agency and what.

921
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 5: That means AND later i do a lot of his,

922
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 5: political stuff which Around the bubble, twenty twenty around the

923
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 5: bubble and a lot of stuff he, did there and

924
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 5: then sort of his retreat from political life in, recent

925
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 5: years which we've SEEN and i have found. Really interesting,

926
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 5: SO yeah i MEAN that's i would agree with you.

927
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: On that, you know it's interesting this MERGER that i

928
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: like that you described it as a Merger between lebron And,

929
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: the lakers BECAUSE when i think about all the other

930
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: superstars That the lakers, have, Acquired right kareem was, An

931
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: acquisition shaq was. An acquisition you Could argue kobe was

932
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: an acquisition because it was a Trade On, Draft NIGHT

933
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: but i. DON'T know I put kobe. In magic we're

934
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: Sort of lakers, for Life, Versus, kareem Lebron, and shaq

935
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: who were sort of the, hired guns, Right yea but

936
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: in the Case of Kareem, and Shack the lakers made them.

937
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: Bigger deals lebron arguably was a bigger a bigger brand

938
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: before going To, the lakers and in some ways he's

939
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: still a bigger brand Than the. Laker brand Is, that.

940
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah it's so it's. SO interesting i. Completely agree and

941
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: one of THE things i looked at, is like Why

942
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: did lebron go To? The, Lakers right and to this

943
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: day you don't get a, clear answer and.

944
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: It seems like an. Obvious answer i'll just we're going

945
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: to give to. Move hit the Business of lebron needed

946
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: to Be. In la so All of lebron's post basketball

947
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: life was going to be based out of Out Of,

948
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: southern california even if it was going to Be, in

949
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: vegas he was probably going to live In. Southern california

950
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: so it seemed to me it was just him preparing

951
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: for the, next chapter And the lakers were just the

952
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: most viable way. Exit strategy so.

953
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 5: The, second part THERE'S why i think is interesting BECAUSE

954
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 5: that's i was gonna, Say that like it's, Almost, LIKE

955
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 5: okay i want to, do This and i'm, so, big

956
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 5: right the Brand of lebron is so big that what

957
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 5: can what THERE'S no i can't go play for ninety

958
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 5: nine percent of. The teams It's basically Lakers or knicks

959
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: were basically it like those are the two that. Would

960
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 5: work and he wanted to go out west because It

961
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 5: just knicks one because he's never Been A new, york

962
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 5: guy no, or no. WHATEVER reason i HAVE a i

963
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 5: Have a i'll ask you about. IT later i have

964
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 5: one theory as to why he Picked the heat Over

965
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 5: the knicks back in. The, DECISION okay i want to

966
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 5: get to that, with you but go. Keep, Going yeah

967
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 5: so it's and IT'S so i agree with you on

968
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 5: the post. Basketball stuff what's, interesting though it's been sort

969
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 5: of a mix of what that looks like and maybe

970
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 5: that's part.

971
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: Of it so at first we thought.

972
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 5: It was gonna, be movies and He Did, space jam

973
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 5: but then that sort of disappeared a, little bit and

974
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 5: they have his his his longtime business Manager Friend maverick

975
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 5: carter sort of had This Spring, hill entertainment which maybe

976
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 5: people have, heard of and the reporting on that.

977
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: Is that's BASICALLY it's i don't want to say, a

978
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: failure but. It's not it's not doing.

979
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 5: Great financially so you, had that, you know he there's about,

980
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 5: his wife like, the weather and he wanted his kids

981
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 5: to be out there and just he was Done. With

982
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 5: cleveland and again we're talking about that post, business stuff

983
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 5: the post playing career in. His businesses ownership is definitely

984
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 5: something he's. INTERESTED in i cover that.

985
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: A lot and he Feels Like, LAS vega, i mean

986
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: it feels like it's an inevitable ownership group that that

987
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: he gets, to lead right.

988
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: For sure and.

989
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 5: He's uh one of the things that cover like he's

990
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 5: made Trips To, saudi arabia which most PEOPLE think. I

991
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 5: can't i, don't know he, hasn't said but most people

992
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 5: in these circles believe those are. Not, Coincidental right he's

993
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 5: invested in like a sell boating thing. OUT there i,

994
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 5: don't know but. He did some minister, of culture one of,

995
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 5: the princes which Whose name i'm not gonna even pretend,

996
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 5: to remember but one of the princes Hosted an instagram

997
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 5: Picture of Lebron There. Maverick carter so most people kind

998
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 5: of joined the connection that like money and face of, the,

999
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 5: ownership right that's kind of where we're gonna end up

1000
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 5: with the uh with. That stuff but he is, so

1001
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 5: big that's. The point Like, the lakers it almost feels

1002
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 5: like the only team that could absorb him in that

1003
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 5: and not be swallowed.

1004
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,200
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1005
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1006
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1007
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1008
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1009
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1010
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1011
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1012
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1013
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1014
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1015
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1023
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:51,239
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1024
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: Win WELL but i COULD argue i say this as somebody,

1025
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: who like, You know i'm Even though i'm in my,

1026
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: MID fifties i was probably the first GENERATION of nba

1027
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: fans that were fans of, a player not. A. TEAM

1028
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: yeah i grew Up in miami in the seventies. And

1029
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: eighties we didn't get the HEAT until i was literally graduating.

1030
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: High school that's when we got. The heat, You Know,

1031
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: ronnie ceychelee he was the big first star that. We

1032
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: had AND so i was a, magic guy. You KNOW

1033
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: and i had a friend who was a, bird, Guy

1034
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: RIGHT and i had another friend who became who Was the, jordan,

1035
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: Guy right and you know that's how we rooted for

1036
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: basketball in the seventies, and eighties and it's in some

1037
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: ways it's still what basketball.

1038
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: Is.

1039
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: Today right it's more player driven than. Team driven And

1040
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: the lakers were one Of the lakers In the, celtics

1041
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: royas the two franchises that most of the time were

1042
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: bigger than, their, players right or at least were the

1043
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: same size as their Players See. Magic Johnson the lakers

1044
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: have been Good, for lebron But has lebron been good For?

1045
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 2: The lakers so it's it's so. Interesting thing so the

1046
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: short answer. Is yes so this is one of.

1047
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 5: The things so the short, answers yes because you have

1048
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 5: to remember the dark period they were in before they, got,

1049
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 5: In right so this is. People remember so anyone who's

1050
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 5: WATCHED the Hbo Show, winning time which is based on

1051
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 5: Another great lakers.

1052
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: Book Show, called SHOWTIME And Hbo couldn't COULDN'T a tv

1053
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: show Called, shot correct which is.

1054
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 5: Hilarious exactly so the Book was Showtime By, jeff prowlman

1055
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 5: who's like the best sports author going.

1056
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: Right, now hey football For. A buck i had him

1057
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: on this Podcast. Talking, Trump yeah.

1058
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 5: I'm sure so he's like the best. Of this so

1059
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 5: that book just gets on The Magic. Kareen lakers this

1060
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 5: show gets made to bring. It up So That's, jerry,

1061
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 5: buss Right and jerry buss is, People know i'm his iconic,

1062
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 5: uh owner just larger than. Life figure all that Builds

1063
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 5: the lakers into the thing that we all know. They are, he,

1064
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 5: dies leaves leaves, the children Leaves the lakers to a

1065
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 5: trust of. Six children AND when i, you know the

1066
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 5: term it's like succession but is, a cliche but it really,

1067
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 5: is that like this is really, sports succession Where like

1068
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 5: jerry BUSS is I Guess brian, cox's character except he

1069
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 5: goes To the playboy mansion a little.

1070
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: More and he had a little. LESS money, i mean

1071
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: the dirty little secret About the lakers And the bus

1072
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: family is, how basically and That's What winning time did

1073
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: a good job. Of explaining bus was sort of Like

1074
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: The donald trump of. His era he had he always

1075
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: used other, people's money correct to pretend he, was wealthy

1076
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: like he didn't really.

1077
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: Have.

1078
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 5: Well correct and so he leaves the team and he's

1079
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 5: got his children fighting over it and they're not it's

1080
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 5: not a.

1081
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: Good situation he basically leaves it where he.

1082
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 5: Leaves a trust in a Way where jeannie the daughter

1083
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 5: is in charge of the, business side jim the son

1084
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 5: is in charge, of Basketball but geenie's actually in charge of.

1085
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 2: It all it's saying to, you mean.

1086
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: The former, Presidential Candidate. Jimmy, buss that's.

1087
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: By, the way.

1088
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 5: The succession that was when really it went to succession

1089
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 5: because he is was a connor.

1090
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: WHATEVER heal, I mean, I mean i'll never forget getting

1091
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: that press Release like may of.

1092
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: Last year, you know, you're, like wait what he's filed?

1093
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, oh, Wait though I'm gonna i'm. Gonna confirm

1094
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: sorry It Was, Johnny Buss, Johnny Bus. Johny, buss sorry

1095
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 5: john this is, the, Third, right Jimmy, there's genie And.

1096
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 5: There's Johnny, There's, Jimmy, Jeannie, Johnny Janney. Joey JESSE now

1097
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 5: i remember if you can get all, those kidding it's.

1098
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: All. Jays yeah among the ones, we know all the

1099
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: same mom, or, no, no no that's, the okay the

1100
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: original four or the four older ones with, one mom

1101
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 2: two younger ones with a. Second mom one came out

1102
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: later with the. THIRD mom i don't know what else.

1103
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: Is that so there's the THERE'S another tv show that's

1104
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: out there that's also about the kind Of About, Genie, buss.

1105
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: Yes, running back that, is yeah nobody is watching. That,

1106
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: show yeah and.

1107
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: That they did do the storyline, of hey look one

1108
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: of the concessions, guys said out, of wedlock brother Of.

1109
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: YOURS genie i have to.

1110
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 5: Tell you nobody has watched that show with a more

1111
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 5: critical eye than me because some, of it so much

1112
00:58:58,560 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 5: of it is True.

1113
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: That i'm watching it and, being like oh, my god

1114
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: who came up with? This? Idea WAIT do i have

1115
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: to look? Into this it's just, something real.

1116
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 5: Because there's enough that is true There that i'm, Thinking,

1117
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 5: like okay maybe she's the.

1118
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: EXECUT producer I.

1119
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: THOUGHT leani i was just, Gonna Say jenny buss IS

1120
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: an ep, on, It, right.

1121
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah she's an.

1122
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 5: Execut producer so THAT'S what i was, LITERALLY like i

1123
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 5: was taking notes on. That show i'm Not even i'm

1124
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 5: not even like nobody else watched a show like.

1125
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: It's passive it. Was decent it's a passive, entertainment show.

1126
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: Right right the Woman From Almost, Famous, hudson yeah, Thank.

1127
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 5: You but i'm watching it like, you know people watch

1128
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 5: Like the wire and like. College courses, You know i'm

1129
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: just taking notes.

1130
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: On it you can.

1131
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: Find exactly so they said those kids and it's.

1132
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 5: A disaster i'll go the full, quick version like It's

1133
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 5: a genie has to fire. Her brother her brothers then

1134
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 5: try to take the team from her in a. Boardroom

1135
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 5: coup that. Doesn't work she keeps, the team and this

1136
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 5: is and then They give kobe this ridiculous contract sort

1137
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 5: of a golden parachute of a contract end his career

1138
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 5: and sort of bring back to, your question like what

1139
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 5: mattered more They needed lebron was this lifeline sort of

1140
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 5: this we are in this dark Period and lebron comes and, it's,

1141
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 5: like No the lakers, Are Back eye genie boss like,

1142
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 5: MY father i can get.

1143
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: Stars too we.

1144
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 5: Are back so that's where he had an immense impact

1145
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 5: on them and.

1146
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: Her, specifically well.

1147
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: That's interesting that you, say that because when you really look,

1148
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: at it if you take away the, bubble, title Ye

1149
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: the lakers THEY'VE been i guess was it two years

1150
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: ago they were a three seed or a two seed

1151
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: or was it last year that three seed?

1152
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 5: They made last year of the three seed they Made the,

1153
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 5: conference finals kind of like you know back in they

1154
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 5: backed in a couple of, years, ago.

1155
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: Right but they've really not been. A factor they just

1156
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: you can feel that they're not. A factor they just

1157
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: don't have. Enough depth and it, goes, to frankly just

1158
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: a total mismanagement of their, front, office right mortgaging so

1159
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: many of their draft picks where. THEY were i mean

1160
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: they had some. Draft picks they just sort of pet, them,

1161
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: away right, you, know yeah, you look, you know Whether

1162
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: It's lonzo ball.

1163
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: Or, whatever correct the kind Of as i've.

1164
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 5: Been doing this is THE way i describe it is

1165
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 5: like you can't say they want, a title so you

1166
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 5: can't say it was. A failure so THE way i

1167
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 5: say it is it Was the lebron ten YEAR in

1168
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 5: la was. A. Success butt and the butt IS if

1169
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 5: i told you when he got there in twenty eighteen

1170
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 5: that you would get. Eight YEARS and i think, this

1171
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 5: IS like, i joke it's going to be a trivia

1172
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 5: question people get wrong in. Twenty years This is lebron's

1173
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 5: longest consecutive stretch with. One team It's, the laker This current, lakers,

1174
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 5: stretch right that's the team he spent the most consecutive years.

1175
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: With right so you told you you're gonna, get yeah?

1176
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: Go, ahead, No. No no that's interesting because it then brings

1177
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: up the question of what logo does he go In

1178
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: the Hall? Of?

1179
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: Fame right it's fascinating and the idea Of being so

1180
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: he's there eight years and he's been mostly healthy, until

1181
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: that basically, mostly healthy and not just one title it

1182
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: was in, a bubble but one, finals run like just one.

1183
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 5: Finals appearance and the fact that makes it even more

1184
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 5: interesting is the fact that the title and the main

1185
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 5: high point happened in a literal bubble with, no parade

1186
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 5: and they then have this sort of robbed fans of

1187
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 5: his ability to emotionally connect to, these moments these things

1188
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 5: that fandom is. Built ON and i just think it's

1189
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 5: going to make his legacy in la really interesting and

1190
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 5: honestly diminish it when we look back on it in

1191
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 5: twenty years and going to, be, like wait what?

1192
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: Happened then what?

1193
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: Was this it's. A, strange no it's always going to

1194
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: be The, third yeah it's never going to be the

1195
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: first or second Part of. Lebron's career it's always going

1196
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: to feel like. The coda it's always going to be. The,

1197
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: CODA no, I agree, i agree but.

1198
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: Just strange it's strength to.

1199
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 5: That point it's strange that like that is the LONG like,

1200
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 5: i said that, longest, stretch right that that is not

1201
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 5: a three year period but an eight year or. Maybe

1202
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 5: nine we'll see what. Happens stretch that's the part that makes.

1203
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: It strange let me, ask this why do You think

1204
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: lebron wasn't a? Ring chaser, you know there's always been,

1205
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: this thought is he a ring chaser? Or not he's

1206
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: clearly not because if he wanted a, ring chase YOU

1207
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: and i you, Tell ME but i think if he

1208
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: wanted a, ring Chase the warriors would have found a

1209
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: way to make room. For him, they called out of

1210
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: my mind that they, caught, it.

1211
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 5: Right asked and, he said and it's. Really interesting it

1212
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 5: shows you where his relationship was With the lakers in twenty.

1213
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 5: Twenty four he was in one of his passive aggressive

1214
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 5: tweet streaks or whatever when.

1215
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: He does and so.

1216
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 5: They called, they, figured okay We'll Call, genie buss and,

1217
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 5: they Called And genie buss in a really, interesting answer

1218
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 5: and she gets censorive, about this but she didn't. Say no,

1219
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 5: she Said Call Rich paul lebron's agent call m and,

1220
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 5: find out which is not a no right for like,

1221
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 5: for her that's a, Big, OKAY like i don't know

1222
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 5: if call him and he, Said no so he Made,

1223
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 5: the yeah he's made.

1224
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: A choice he's made a choice to sort of keep

1225
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: his ROOTS.

1226
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 5: In la maybe goes back to what we were talking,

1227
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 5: about before for, whatever reason whether it's a, family thing

1228
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 5: whether just deciding he doesn't want to play for a,

1229
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 5: random team.

1230
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: YOU know i, just yeah he hasn't. Done it he hasn't.

1231
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 5: DONE it i don't know if he's still sensitive about,

1232
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 5: you Know The Miami super team winking up and he

1233
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 5: doesn't want that associated more, than LIKE look i.

1234
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: DO that i, don't KNOW but i agree.

1235
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: With, you well let me go Back to miami because

1236
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: this one is a little more personal. To me you

1237
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: Have The bill simmons version. Of, events, okay right, AND

1238
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: look i don't know if you listened, to, him, yes yeah,

1239
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: of course so, YOU well i mean then you know

1240
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: where that he believes it was a peeing contest Between

1241
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: pat Riley And. Lebron james and there was No Way

1242
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: lebron james was never he was never going to stay

1243
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: somewhere where he wasn't, the alpha And pat riley was

1244
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: never going to keep somebody and play second fiddle. To

1245
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: them is that the reason why that that. RELATIONSHIP ended i.

1246
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 5: Think, PARTLY yeah i would say THE part I would

1247
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 5: riley did try like the and this Is but riley

1248
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 5: did try to keep. Him right and part of it

1249
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 5: is that he was offended The way lebron treated him

1250
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 5: in this. Pitch meeting like there's a STORY about i

1251
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 5: Forget maybe riley went Up to vegas to pitch Them

1252
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 5: and lebron some of the guys like a soccer game on,

1253
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 5: the Background and riley, just felt, you know offended because

1254
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 5: this is and, he's right He's pat riley thought he

1255
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 5: deserved a little.

1256
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 2: More respect the.

1257
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 5: Answer to that is probably what you're saying is probably

1258
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 5: like that was the build up to that where sort

1259
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,479
Speaker 5: of this contest about who actually gets to, run things who's,

1260
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 5: in charge who gets to do it.

1261
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: WHOSE way.

1262
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 5: I always compare the heat To like lebron's graduate school

1263
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 5: almost right Where, Yeah cleveland.

1264
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: I'd heard him call it, college, Before, right okay, so

1265
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: yeah it's, just, like, yeah yeah he learned how to

1266
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: win and how to he, needed it and then he.

1267
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 5: Sort of took the things he got there and took

1268
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 5: them out into the world with Him. Into, CLEVELAND then

1269
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 5: i mean the reason he left and this is the

1270
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 5: but the reason he left he wanted to Fix the, cleveland,

1271
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 5: Narrative right they wanted to fix the. Decision narrative they

1272
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 5: want to go back win a Title. In cleveland like

1273
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 5: THAT was, i mean the fact that they went to

1274
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 5: tell you?

1275
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: About him what does that tell You? About lebron what

1276
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: do you what do you? Take away not everybody would

1277
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: feel that because he's never really going to live, there,

1278
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: again right his kids may never. Live there, YOU know

1279
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: i have an Attachment to miami that my son has no,

1280
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: attachment to right because HE'S never i don't think his

1281
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: kids really have an Attachment to Accron. In cleveland but

1282
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: it meant something to him to do that. For sure

1283
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: what does that tell you about him that maybe we

1284
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: we we we overlook sometimes in our in our sort

1285
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: of cheap descriptions of.

1286
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 5: THESE ubers, I mean i, mean one it's you care,

1287
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 5: people THINK which i actually think is not a, you

1288
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 5: know guess someone as. A NEGATIVE like I always i,

1289
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 5: always laugh, you know in, MY job i always laugh when,

1290
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 5: people say like when, the athletes sad will. Pay attention you,

1291
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 5: all do and, it's fine like we. All do it's

1292
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 5: the most, human thing like what are? You kidding and so,

1293
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 5: it's caring. Right care people think that's a. BIG thing i, think,

1294
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 5: that like is it more about legacy and caring what

1295
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 5: people think as opposed to the. HOMETOWN thing i actually

1296
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 5: think a bit. Of it but it's, also INTERTWINED and

1297
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 5: i think at that point it's probably hard for to separate.

1298
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: Those two and obviously bringing, THE title i mean that Was.

1299
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: Looked cleveland, you know they haven't WON an nfl championship since.

1300
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: The fifties they haven't won a baseball championship since. The

1301
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: forties it was a B f d.

1302
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 5: One hundred like the way THE way i kind of

1303
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 5: say he went back to a team it mattered so much,

1304
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 5: to him and because he recognized how much it Mattered,

1305
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 5: to cleveland he went back and was willing to take

1306
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 5: checks and Play For. DAN gilbert, I Remember dan gilbert's

1307
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 5: the owner of people don't know he's the owner Of.

1308
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 5: The Cavaliers after lebron Goes, to miami, he Writes and

1309
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 5: i'm not even gonna use the coded like it might,

1310
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 5: be no it was a. Racist letter it was a

1311
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 5: racist letter saying Basic How dale? Lebron leave it.

1312
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: Was terrible it was, terror right just like.

1313
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 5: IT was i forget who used but plantation like letter

1314
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 5: was a phrase thrown around a lot by people who

1315
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 5: by like, you know historians and people who all throw

1316
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 5: that language. Around Lightly and lebron was willing and he's

1317
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 5: still in. The caves lebron went back and it's not

1318
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 5: like it's not Like he it wasn't THAT because i

1319
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 5: always forgiven it because that was so important, to him

1320
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 5: and it was so and he thought it mad it

1321
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 5: would matter so much to, the city whether that's for

1322
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 5: an ego for the city probably mix, them, both right

1323
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 5: that he was willing to go back, and say you,

1324
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 5: Know what i'm going to eat.

1325
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: IT this i want to.

1326
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: Do this of the, three franchises which one would build

1327
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: a statue?

1328
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 5: To, him WELL so, i Joke, THE lakers i think

1329
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 5: are going they just, do, that right even though it's

1330
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 5: Weird and la has.

1331
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: Weird If the lakers do, it personally because it's not

1332
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: he's the only, one, one sorry but.

1333
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: What it be weird if they.

1334
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 5: Did it that's the thing think about, like that like

1335
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 5: would it be weird if they didn't. Do it because

1336
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 5: You have, lebron again a, top five if not better player,

1337
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 5: all time eight years on. Your team it's almost like,

1338
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 5: A statement i agree, with you but it's almost like

1339
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 5: a statement if you don't.

1340
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: Do it, all Right The washington wizards don't have a

1341
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: Statue Of, michael jordan.

1342
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: But that was, two years right that we didn't. Own

1343
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: it so, it's different but about. Two years it's not

1344
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: the eight like that's.

1345
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 5: THE thing, i MEAN the la, relationship Again the LA's

1346
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 5: Relationship to lebron is. So interesting it is the one

1347
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 5: place he went there and he was, not welcomed like

1348
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 5: it was. Not cheering there was there were murals of

1349
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 5: him that were to face with Pictures. OF kobe a

1350
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 5: lot of this goes back To The kobe lebron rivalry

1351
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 5: a little that was a little, between them but on

1352
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 5: a more, macro sentence it was between sort of their

1353
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 5: respective fandoms and sort of GOING into i.

1354
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: Never thought of it as much about Because, basically kobe,

1355
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,919
Speaker 1: you know his last championship is right but the year before,

1356
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: the decision, right.

1357
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 5: Yeah and they and they never went up, each other

1358
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 5: they never faced each other in, the finals which is.

1359
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 5: Too bad but they were pitted against each other And

1360
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 5: by nike and by marketing machines, and media and it

1361
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 5: became a Thing where, kobe's fans Which are, lakers fans

1362
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,919
Speaker 5: WHO are i Mean The lakers kobe fans.

1363
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: Fans are Not. All lakers The thing i've LEARNED about

1364
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: LA and i have a my best friend lives out

1365
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: there and he will he vouches for, this too which is.

1366
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: Not all not All all laker Fans are, kobe fans

1367
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: but Not all kobe Fans.

1368
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: Are kobe's ahead in.

1369
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: The, Hierarchy yes kobe is higher up in. The hierarchy

1370
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: and this. Is double this was true before, he died

1371
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: but it cementous after.

1372
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 5: He, Died yes and it's fascinating because then you think,

1373
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 5: about it and then you Think about Kobe and lebron

1374
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 5: and they are polar opposite in so many ways in

1375
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 5: terms of their approach on, the court Where, like kobe

1376
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 5: IT'S like i shoot over, Four guys lebron passes to the.

1377
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 5: Open guy lebron's, you know all kinds of, Good teammate.

1378
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 5: Night's guy kobe was a bit of, a, Bleepole right

1379
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 5: kobe want to be Friends.

1380
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 2: Like kobe would to link up with our players on.

1381
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 5: Their teams lebron, obviously does and it sort of, becomes

1382
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 5: like that's The quote mamba mentality and his fans and

1383
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 5: go to war for That quote mama mentality being correct

1384
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 5: as Opposed to, lebron's approach and then all of, a

1385
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 5: sudden this guy you've been arguing arguing against is dropped

1386
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 5: into your city and it just creates these weird mix.

1387
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: Of, emotions well, you know, it's interesting this this the Persona.

1388
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,919
Speaker 1: Of lebron, YOU know i Think about I'm a lebron. Defender,

1389
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: generally YEAH meaning i look at a kid at fifteen

1390
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: who's on the Cover Of, sports illustrated who's told he's

1391
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: going to be the next greatest basketball player of, all

1392
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: time that this guy's the heir Apparent Of. Michael jordan and.

1393
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: It's true he lives up to an absurd set of

1394
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: expectations that were set. For him, and oh by, the

1395
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: way there's no major Scandal around. Lebron's life you've never,

1396
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, We can i'm sure you there's plenty of

1397
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: rumors that you've had to deal with that you know

1398
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: that people, would, say hey did you know this. About

1399
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 1: him there's rumors about. Every celebrity ninety percent of them

1400
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: are not true or so exaggerated they're more not true.

1401
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: Than true but, You know i'm one, of those, you

1402
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: know you sort of crowdsource. Somebody's life if he was a,

1403
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: bad dude after twenty, five years we'd have a parade

1404
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: of people telling us how bad of a dute. He,

1405
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: was right he's clearly a. Good guy he's a pretty,

1406
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: you know he's got a he's a good. Family man

1407
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: he's very protective of. HIS mother i think that's why

1408
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: he never was going to Go To. New york he

1409
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: didn't Trust The new york tabloids to leave his. Mother

1410
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: alone i've always believed That that's miami is this safe

1411
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: space yep. For That we miami has never Had A

1412
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: new york post culture Is what i'll. Call, it right

1413
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: There's no. Page six celebrities are allowed to Live in

1414
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: miami and people leave. Them alone it's very Similar. To

1415
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: la there's just not as many Celebrities in miami as

1416
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: there IS. In la but it's that. Same, thing oh

1417
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: everybody leaves. Him alone, you, know nobody, you know we're

1418
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: all we're all hiding from something Here. In miami that's why, we're,

1419
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: Here right that's, That's okay and yet he, Seems POLARIZING

1420
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: like i Understand why, kobe's polarizing but why the Hell?

1421
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: Did lebron how did it Hell did lebron end?

1422
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: Up polarizing it's it's it's it's not a good it's,

1423
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 2: the decision the. Original decision that's what. Does it and it's.

1424
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: SO strange, i mean this.

1425
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 5: Is a harsh way to, put it but it can

1426
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 5: Take the kobe. Comparison more, it's said people seem to

1427
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 5: have less of a problem getting over a sexual assault

1428
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 5: allegation and they do a pr free, agent THING which

1429
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 5: i don't, buy this BUT like i could, spin it

1430
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 5: that worst thing he ever did was do an awkward

1431
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 5: free agent thing that raised money.

1432
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: For charity like that's the worst thing, he, did, Right.

1433
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 5: Right, AND again i know the charity thing is a

1434
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 5: bit of a. COP out i don't know, full like

1435
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 5: but on, its surface that's. What it that's what.

1436
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 2: It is and and YET and i think he's never recovered.

1437
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 5: From that AND it's, i mean it kind of goes

1438
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 5: through your intro second about sports and what people feel

1439
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 5: like they're entitled to as fans and what, we expect

1440
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 5: how we expect athletes to uh.

1441
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: Serve us and it's it taps into all these. Greater things.

1442
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: You know it's interesting. THE decision i would argue that

1443
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: was the last moment where a majority of fans took

1444
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: the side of franchises, over players because ever, since then

1445
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: fans are more pro player.

1446
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 5: THAN franchise, i mean he sort of that and that's

1447
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 5: sort of like that's part of the depart of.

1448
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: His legacy ran ushrating the so called player powerm, that, right.

1449
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: Right he brought. It in he made a hell of

1450
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: a lot of Money For. Kevin, durant right he blazed

1451
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: a Trail For. Kevin, durant sure he blazed a Trail

1452
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: For chris paul and some of these other guys that

1453
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: made money ended up being able to sort of demand

1454
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: what they want Or A, kyrie, Irving Right. James harden

1455
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: we can go on. And on none of those guys

1456
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: are able to do with get what they Got if

1457
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: lebron hadn't done what he did right and he changed

1458
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: so changed. The game and yet this pioneer is not

1459
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 1: even held up in HIGH esteem i THINK among.

1460
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 4: NBA players i agree, it's, strange like obviously all respect his,

1461
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 4: no one there's, no oh everyone respects the greatness and,

1462
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 4: the longevity which is part, of it and the fact

1463
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 4: that he's forty or, forty one and like this is

1464
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 4: the first time we're seeing a little.

1465
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: Slip up it's insane.

1466
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: HE treats, i, MEAN look i also think he shows,

1467
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: you know to, be great you have to work. At,

1468
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: it yeah and you have to make. A choice you

1469
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: can't be a you can't live. The, Lifestyle Look michael

1470
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: jordan could live a high roller lifestyle and be great At,

1471
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: basketball lebron but, Guess what michael was still only great

1472
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: for a shorter period. Of time he was done.

1473
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 2: By, high thirty he was done and that he.

1474
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: Was done lebron trained his body and mine to be

1475
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: able to essentially Last Like. Tom brady and you know

1476
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: what's funny Is. Like brady, You know brady's also not

1477
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: beloved Outside Of. New england, he's respected. He's acknowledged but

1478
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: there's this weird Versus A. Peyton manning who's the more?

1479
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: Lovable guy right Yall Love. PEYTON manning I Want peyton

1480
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: manning to. Sponsor this, brady was, you Know but brady

1481
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: was so he seemed to be so obsessed with football

1482
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: you didn't care about the. OUTSIDE world I think lebron's

1483
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: mostly the.

1484
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 5: Same Way the brady is THE guy i always compare him,

1485
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 5: to right just because there is no take tennis out,

1486
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 5: of it but the Four major, American, sports like there's

1487
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 5: no comp to what these guys do to be, this

1488
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 5: great that great at. That age it's it's. Unheard of it's.

1489
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 5: Unheard of and like, the way one of THE things

1490
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 5: i DO is i loved this kind of like talk

1491
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 5: to people About how lebron has got him, like this

1492
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 5: and the way has explained.

1493
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: To me you know that he's mapping out.

1494
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 5: Every minute it shows you the discipline that every hour

1495
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 5: of every day's. Mapped out so they'll be Filming space

1496
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 5: jam and then it's like two twenty and his trainer pop.

1497
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 5: A joke he pops out of a trap door for

1498
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 5: like his two twenty seven and kinwa right or things,

1499
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 5: like that just knowing. Every Hour michael beasley told me

1500
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 5: His stories lebron's, longtime friends saying it's like A bleeping

1501
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 5: nascar pit stop around him half. The time just these

1502
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 5: guys are always, around there, and yeah it's something, about

1503
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 5: IT but, i agree so the, respects there.

1504
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 2: But he's not beloved the SAME way I think.

1505
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 5: Kobe, parts again It's a jordan Thing and, Kobe thing

1506
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 5: like these are guys who you hear people talk about people, meaning,

1507
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 5: fans media but also players talk about in a different Way.

1508
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: Than lebron and. It's fascinating.

1509
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: This this lebron's.

1510
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 2: LAST year i.

1511
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 1: DON'T know, i mean you know this is it'd obviously

1512
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: be really good for your book if, it was.

1513
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 5: He would try to hitting that. Moving target, MY answers i,

1514
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 5: don't KNOW but I genuinely i don't think. He knows

1515
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 5: that's my read on.

1516
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: IT is i.

1517
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 5: DON'T think i think he's sort of he's a free

1518
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 5: agent now they. Left it, he sorry he's on. Expiring

1519
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 5: contract he is for the first time in. His career

1520
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 5: he is on. EXPIRING deal i think he's it seems

1521
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 5: to be he's wreckon reckoning with no longer being the

1522
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 5: power player.

1523
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: That he once was and no longer being in.

1524
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 5: Total control he also like there's a lot of things

1525
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 5: he wants to a lot of boxes he wants. To

1526
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 5: check like most assume he's gonna want a Farewell tour

1527
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 5: he also has made clear talking about the player of.

1528
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: Powerment stuff so he doesn't have a farewell, tour, Now

1529
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: correct so, that's good have announced it.

1530
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 2: This. Year correct that makes me think where it's going

1531
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 2: to get one? More year he DOESN'T take Caf, of,

1532
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 2: Cleveland right, it, does right because it comes back to

1533
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: so where is it going.

1534
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 5: To be, it's like if you're doing a, farewell tour

1535
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 5: it's gonna Be A lake Lakers.

1536
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 2: Or calves. That's it, anyone else.

1537
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: That's, it yeah it doesn't even make Sense for. Miami,

1538
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: anymore right you can't Make a. Miami.

1539
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 5: Case, Yeah no and and and he doesn't take. Pay

1540
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 5: cuts that's. The part he's gonna have to. Be interesting

1541
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 5: it's gonna. Be interesting So, since miami He, joined miami

1542
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 5: he took a pay cut to, Join them and since

1543
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 5: then we talked about the. Player empowerment he's been very big,

1544
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 5: ON like i don't take. Pay cuts we take the.

1545
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 5: Max DEAL and i don't think.

1546
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: It's for like.

1547
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 5: SELFISH reasons i think it's more of representing the player

1548
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 5: for us and sort of being, you know union guy

1549
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 5: for lack of a. Better term and if you're not

1550
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 5: willing to take a pay cut your your options are limited.

1551
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 5: Right where, you KNOW if i was, ADVISING him i, might,

1552
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 5: say no one's going to call you a scab at

1553
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 5: the age of, forty one you take ten million dollars instead, of, Thirty,

1554
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 5: right like, that's okay go where.

1555
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 2: You WANT but i don't know what.

1556
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: He, WANTS well, I mean cleveland is a fascinating destination

1557
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: right now because he might be able to win a

1558
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: title too this farewell if he chose to do that.

1559
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: NEXT year, i mean this is a team that is,

1560
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: it is it is in it's the best version Of

1561
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: The cleveland cavaliers without a Guy Named lebron james on

1562
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: it as.

1563
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 5: It is, FOR sure i thought he should have gone

1564
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 5: there like he because he's kind of put out again

1565
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 5: some passive aggressive statements, this YEAR and i remember being

1566
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 5: like talking to some people IN the nba and just,

1567
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 5: be like do what, You want like do you want to,

1568
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 5: go home Go to cleveland then, it's fine or you

1569
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 5: want to stay do what.

1570
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 2: HE wants, I agree and.

1571
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: As, a player you know the Beauty Of lebron and

1572
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: just to me is why you got to give it

1573
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: to him as a as, a teammate is that he

1574
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: he'd understands he knows how to play a role if

1575
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: that's the best way to win. A, GAME yep i

1576
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: mean he could be an important role player in oddly

1577
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: That that cleveland could use.

1578
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 5: For sure and THE part i joke is like we talked, about,

1579
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 5: it like, you know he's not top five. Player anymore

1580
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 5: last year he was second TEAM, o mba which means

1581
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 5: he was, top twenty. Top, ten, still like it's still

1582
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 5: incredible if, he wanted he won't. Do it we have,

1583
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 5: you know most, old guys you get to the point

1584
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 5: where they're kind of the bench guy playing fifteen minutes.

1585
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: A game like he could do that for seven more

1586
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: years if he. Wanted to he's so good and.

1587
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 5: So, smart uh and talk about the role, player STUFF

1588
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 5: so i mean anything would takehim for next year.

1589
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: For, sure, well look the other issue here has To be, brownie,

1590
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: Yep right and it's and and and the role of

1591
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: and then his, middle son who, some argue who's a

1592
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: little bit taller than, his, brother.

1593
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 5: Right correct so my Understanding is Bryce was bryce is the.

1594
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 5: Other one he was once a. Better prospect it seems

1595
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 5: to be Unclear now bronnie's condition. Is, WHY also i

1596
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 5: always thought, you know and if you're, writing it, you're,

1597
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 5: like oh THAT'S what. I WANT but i always thought

1598
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 5: this would be last Year because bronnie's, he's no his

1599
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 5: contract is no longer guaranteed after. This year so that's

1600
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 5: part of the EQUATION which i find, really interesting and

1601
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 5: so weally not talked.

1602
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 2: About, MUCH yeah i. DON'T know i don't know if

1603
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 2: another team Would.

1604
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 5: Take bronnie if the The reason lebron was able to

1605
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 5: force that through last time is because he was still

1606
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 5: good enough to force, that through you know.

1607
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: At, this point at this point is at, THE case i,

1608
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: Don't know well.

1609
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: It would any? Of us would any other team Have? Drafted? Smith,

1610
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: NO no I mean i do think a team would

1611
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: Have Drafted. BROWNIE james i do actually believe that another

1612
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: team would HAVE because i think that was always. Another,

1613
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: rumor hey does a team Who wants lebron and the

1614
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: for two for like sort of a two year, farewell

1615
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: tour do They draft brownie as a way to?

1616
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 2: Bait him, right too and Clearly and Clutch or bron's

1617
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 2: they just was worried about that because they they They,

1618
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: forced bronni they would basically turn.

1619
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: Other teams away from himself and they told them, don't

1620
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: draft because he was ended up drafting the. Second round

1621
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: they told other teams do.

1622
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 5: Not draft, they said you know some team that heard

1623
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 5: stories about teams on asking His Agent, rich Paul would

1624
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 5: bronnie played IN The g league and the, answer was

1625
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 5: he ain't know if it works WITH the, nba schedule

1626
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 5: which was not what they were, really, Implying right that

1627
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 5: wasn't the reason the question was asked that or they

1628
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 5: have draft telling teams if you, draft him he's Going,

1629
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 5: to australia like they really they.

1630
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 2: Were forcing it through to make sure that he would

1631
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: end up With. The lakers what.

1632
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: Does lebron want out of this for? His SONS if

1633
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: i GET if i get critical, at All and I'M

1634
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: always i don't like TO be i don't like my

1635
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 1: parenting to be back, seat DRIVEN so. I don't i'm

1636
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 1: hesitant to backseat drive. Another parent, But man i'd like

1637
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: TO think i wouldn't put that much pressure on, my

1638
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: kids and he's Put some he's put some serious Pressure.

1639
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: ON BROWN i i feel nothing but Empathy, for BRONNIE

1640
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 1: and i know that that, seems ODD but i.

1641
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 5: Do no, you know it's, So INTERESTING so i agree

1642
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 5: With you so The lebron brownie think is really interesting

1643
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 5: because he's said he's been in locker rooms saying things

1644
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,839
Speaker 5: out loud when he knows reporters, are around, Like oh bronnie,

1645
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 5: could play he's better than half these guys IN, the

1646
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 5: nba or tweeting out about my drafts, being bad all

1647
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 5: these THINGS where i, would say as a, parent too

1648
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 5: like that.

1649
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: Seems awful that seems.

1650
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 5: Just bad and then and yet clearly they've done something Right,

1651
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 5: because bronnie by, all accounts is a REALLY he's, i

1652
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 5: mean he's, well liked, he's respectful he, works hard everyone loves.

1653
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Actually really and he's just like, his father pretty high basketball.

1654
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: Like you he may not have, the abilities but he

1655
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: knows what he should, be.

1656
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: Doing correct so Everyone.

1657
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 5: Loves brownie so, the fact WHEN whenever i find myself

1658
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 5: saying that seems like, awful, parenting RIGHT whenever i find myself, saying.

1659
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 2: THAT fine i sit. There too, Yeah RIGHT and i.

1660
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 5: Kind of, counted saying you know what they raised in

1661
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 5: basically on the. Celebrity spotlight they raised a kid and

1662
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 5: it seemed to have. Worked OUT so i don't know

1663
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 5: if that's luck or they knew what they were doing

1664
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 5: so that's kind OF how. I deffer but it's funny

1665
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 5: you say That because i've had these same conversations with

1666
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 5: people and, with myself, you know internal dialogues about.

1667
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: This STUFF and i guess that that's that's going to be.

1668
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: A factor what what do we Think is middle sun

1669
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: Is at arizona that he Arizonated to so is? Are

1670
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: they is he gonna play? THIS year i it was

1671
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: that game was on last NIGHT and i forgot that

1672
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: there Was a james. ON there i should have checked.

1673
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: It out it would have, been good, uh, good good

1674
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: uh prep, For this but is he going?

1675
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: To play, They don't.

1676
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 5: They don't they don't Know from bryce's Perspective. And lebron

1677
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 5: lebron a media day, was asked.

1678
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna wait? For HIM and i forget

1679
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 2: exact well it was, basically no, You know i'm not waiting.

1680
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 2: For him you know we're not going to get to.

1681
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: That point so there's a World where Luca and lebron

1682
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: could be a fascinating version sort of a twenty first

1683
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: century Version of Kareem, and magic sort of one guy

1684
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: at the in the sunset of, his career one guy

1685
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: getting ready for his. Peak powers but WHY do i

1686
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: get the sense that there's just no chemistry between.

1687
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 5: These two so the funny, part, is well they haven't

1688
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 5: played a. Lot together that's the. Short answer Lebron, loves

1689
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 5: Luca like luca is one of. These guys first, of

1690
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 5: ALL all nba players. Respect him he's sort of lebron

1691
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 5: like in terms of his, you know the chess master moving.

1692
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 5: Pieces around Years ago.

1693
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Lebron had to. Play defense lebron plays.

1694
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 5: For sure, for sure but so years ago lebronch was

1695
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 5: going to build out or was building out His Own

1696
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 5: Jordan like lebron Line, for Nike and luca was one

1697
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 5: of the guys he targeted and that was. Way, before,

1698
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 5: So like luca's always been a guy, he likes and

1699
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 5: he talks to People around lebron now and, they, Say

1700
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 5: no Lebron. Loves Luca the lakers he might feel, differently, About,

1701
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 5: Right so LIKE the i think anything you're seeing is

1702
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 5: if you see a passive aggressive or you maybe see

1703
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 5: a Clip of lebron watch a game and maybe not

1704
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 5: being Mister. RAW raga i think that's More about lakers

1705
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 5: organizational and the fact that they haven't given him that

1706
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 5: they didn't offer him a contract extension last summer as

1707
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 5: opposed to.

1708
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: Any issues With the.

1709
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: Encore guys but in fairness To, the lakers, my GOD

1710
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: what i mean they CAN'T keep i, WOULD argue, I

1711
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: mean I think and this is the real question is

1712
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: when you ask, basketball people Has keeping lebron around actually,

1713
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: you know certainly pre Trade. Of, luca Look the luca

1714
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: trade falls into, their lap which is you, know why

1715
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: there's why our Friend mister simmons wants to have a.

1716
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 1: Conspiracy theory but somehow this. Helps them it is amazing

1717
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: how Often the Celtics and lakers end up with, of course,

1718
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: oh boy just when they need a player to, keep

1719
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: it of course their, legacy going they find. It right

1720
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: but it. It doesn't it doesn't seem as if That

1721
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: keeping lebron has actually been good For the lakers for

1722
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: the rest of. This decade this isn't the right way

1723
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: to prepare for A Post. Lebron, LAKERS no i agree.

1724
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 5: WITH you i don't think. They're wrong and the most

1725
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 5: the interesting part is they were. Doing this they were

1726
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 5: moving On.

1727
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 2: Before lucas so if you, look back if you're, you

1728
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: Know the LAKERS Hired jj red to be the head

1729
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: coach before, Last year.

1730
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: There's always been a question that Was not lebron's. First,

1731
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: choice correct it was.

1732
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 2: It was it Wasn't that lebron was Out of it

1733
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily his. First choice like he.

1734
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 5: They floated that they had floated they want some, other

1735
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 5: guys and everyone Assumed because LEBRON And jj redick were

1736
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 5: hosting a, podcast together because, not really since it's twenty,

1737
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 5: twenty five why wouldn't that be?

1738
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:32,520
Speaker 2: The case of course.

1739
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: That's what by, The Way rich paul apparently is going

1740
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: to have a Podcast, with simmons right and in.

1741
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 5: That world so if you, want to if anyone who

1742
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 5: wants to do a fun, google now then You Know,

1743
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 5: rich paul's, you know going to be Working With. Bill

1744
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 5: simmons look Up What rich paul Set About bill simmons

1745
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 5: in an Interview With isaac Channer Into, new yorker and

1746
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 5: that'll be A.

1747
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: Fun Google to, simmons credit he kind of alluded, to

1748
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: it but he in his podcast earlier, this week but,

1749
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: he said, He, goes yeah when we had the, first

1750
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 1: meeting it wasn't clear whether there's. This Question there's Rich,

1751
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: like Bill there's Bill like rich, Get, Right Yeah.

1752
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 5: So amazon i'll say It's About rich paul's this. IS

1753
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 5: separate I Like. RICH paul i find like he is

1754
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 5: a professionals.

1755
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: Wrong word he just. Gets it he's not sensitive like.

1756
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: He can.

1757
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 5: He can he's okay if you, criticize him and then

1758
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 5: you can talk, about it talking out and he's cool.

1759
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 5: With it, you know sometimes people in the sports world

1760
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 5: are uber sensitive, about things and he is not one.

1761
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: Of them but we were saying TO The, jj Redick

1762
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 2: the LAKERS hire jj reg to be their.

1763
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 5: Head coach and you listen to that, press conference it's

1764
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 5: hilarious because they're talking like They're The Oklaho. City thunder

1765
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 5: they're talking about it's a. New world we went into.

1766
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 5: Player development they talk about they're going to make a player,

1767
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 5: development APP which i don't know whatever happened. To that,

1768
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 5: you know there's new salary. Cap structures we don't do.

1769
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 5: Superstars anymore luca then falls to the lap and they.

1770
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 5: Change everything but they were moving On from lebron before.

1771
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: Last year.

1772
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: Let's do two more items here BEFORE before i let.

1773
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: You go One Is magic johnson's relationship With, the lakers?

1774
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: Is it is there? One anymore or, you know after

1775
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: the debacle of his role has sort of head of.

1776
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: Basketball operations and now that he's, YOU know i see

1777
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: him In most commanders games now hanging out with is

1778
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: a part owner of. That team he's a part owner.

1779
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: Of that he was all Over, the dodgers like, of

1780
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: course it seems like he always knew where the.

1781
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 2: Camera was there's, a camera there's.

1782
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: A Camera there's magic finding his way.

1783
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: Into.

1784
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: It right what's the Relationship Between magic Lebron and magic And?

1785
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 5: The, lakers okay so the most interesting part is That

1786
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 5: the lakers just sold Recently To, mark walter who Owns.

1787
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 5: The Dodgers So, MAGIC johnson i guess is it's it's

1788
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 5: actually interesting question because people, don't know and people are

1789
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 5: AROUND the nba are. Really Curious so magic. It ended

1790
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 5: the background is Him And genie boss were basically like brother,

1791
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 5: and sister. So close she brings him in for a

1792
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 5: year to run or two years, he's there and, it

1793
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 5: ends like, you, said horribly just a. Flame out it's embarrassing,

1794
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 5: to her embarrassing to. The franchise and then he GOES

1795
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 5: on tv and He Accuses, rob polenka general manager who's

1796
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 5: still the, general manager of. Backstabbing him he says that

1797
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 5: that's Not even he's not like, sources say he's saying

1798
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 5: that the Step n Smith that rapulinka backstabby on. First,

1799
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 5: Take Right so ropolink is, still there he's still the, general,

1800
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 5: Manager right he's. Still there lebron was not thrilled with

1801
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 5: how the. Magic stuff And then lebron also they him

1802
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 5: and his group were. Really accommodating maybe it's the, wrong

1803
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 5: word like magic after They saw lebron was.

1804
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 1: VERY big, i mean wasn't magic credited With recruiting lebron and.

1805
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: So this is to. Be credited this IS when i say.

1806
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: They're accommodating they were very Accommodating, to magic telling, the

1807
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 2: setting the narrative, Going On jimmy.

1808
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 5: Kimmell talking about how He's outside lebron's house at midnight.

1809
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 5: Or whatever and, that was as someone explained, TO me

1810
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 5: I think i put this in, the Book like lebron

1811
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 5: was going There whether magic was there. Or not but

1812
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 5: they were okay To let magic. Do that sot they.

1813
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 5: Do that And, then magic besides being bad at, the

1814
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 5: job just to leave in this ridiculous way of announcing

1815
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 5: in a press conference without telling anyone he's leaving and

1816
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 5: just basically walking out.

1817
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: The door.

1818
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 5: It's EMBARRASSING so i don't think the relationship between Him

1819
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 5: and lebron IS like i think Everyone respects magic and what.

1820
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 5: HE was i wouldn't say that's particularly Close the lake

1821
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 5: and Him And genie bus their relationship is, still there

1822
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 5: but it's not what it. Once was but again repeating

1823
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 5: what it looks Like when magic's partner now BUYS the

1824
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 5: uh Buys the lakers and what, that MEANS it's i

1825
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 5: can tell you people asking me that QUESTION and i, Don't, know.

1826
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: Well Are the buses keeping a piece of.

1827
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 5: The team So the genie is, fifteen percent which is

1828
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 5: the minimum amount required to still be officially, the governor.

1829
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 2: And she's the governor the governor of.

1830
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 4: The.

1831
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Rep.

1832
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah correct that could.

1833
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 5: Always change and we've seen other examples in like where

1834
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 5: we've told, You Know mark cuban sold the team and

1835
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 5: said he was going to be Running in it wasn't.

1836
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 5: The case this seems to be more locked in, than

1837
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 5: that but they could change.

1838
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: Any, minute, politics Yes and Lebron has. It's funny, IT'S

1839
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: like i actually don't think he's weighed in that often

1840
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: in politics COMPARED to i could argue compared to even Shack.

1841
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: At magic Shock and magic show up, on events they.

1842
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: Do stuff when they did Stuff, for obama, You, know

1843
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: lebron it was always More the obama people Wanted, more

1844
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: Lebron and lebron was, you know Felt Like michael jordan

1845
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety when he refused To Endorse harvey gant

1846
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: In The Jesse helm senate Race Of. North carolina he

1847
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: never actually said, the Quote well republicans by but, you

1848
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: know it's always been the lie, know, Shocker right but

1849
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: the legend of that quote sits, out THERE and i

1850
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: always got a Sense, that lebron at least there was

1851
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: always a piece of him that, heard that and he

1852
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: would he certainly made, you know he did not want

1853
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: to seem like he, was unsupportive particularly of the Concerns Of,

1854
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: african americans so he never wanted to be seen as not.

1855
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: Supportive there but HE never I never i've never thought

1856
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,440
Speaker 1: of him as as active in politics as the reputation

1857
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: that is out there in the right in particular is that.

1858
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: HE is i think that's a.

1859
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 2: Great way to.

1860
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 5: Put IT and i think the way YOU put i

1861
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 5: think what you just said the ending, part, there right

1862
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 5: how he gets framed by the right and sort of

1863
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 5: in today's world where you just you know you're good.

1864
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 5: Or bad everything's by it.

1865
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter it's sort of what the different we we

1866
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 1: live in these, different ecosystems and the right has decided he,

1867
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: politicizes everything and, you're, like really, because correct he really

1868
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 1: doesn't when you when, YOU look, i mean, you know he.

1869
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: Does not he does not get, Actively involved he doesn't write,

1870
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: big checks he doesn't show UP in. Tv Ads magic

1871
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: johnson does all of those things right and.

1872
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 2: Always, has Yeah, NO lebron i mean even the first ones.

1873
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 2: He did, it's interesting so he never did Anything until

1874
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 2: obama two thousand.

1875
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 5: AND eight i think It WAS jay z was at

1876
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 5: a thing that Basically brought, lebron In brought lebron, with

1877
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 5: right it, was, correct correct you'll Member The. Trayvon martin

1878
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 5: he had a statement with. The heat but the interesting

1879
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 5: it was it, Wasn't him it was, the whole all,

1880
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 5: the teammates the who. Entire team he's with, the group hooded.

1881
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 5: Sweatshirt on and then there Was another.

1882
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 2: I'm, gonna forget Might Been.

1883
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: ERIC garner i.

1884
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 5: Don't know Maybe In. NEW york i can't breathe and

1885
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 5: he wasn't sure if he was going to DO a.

1886
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 5: T shirt he was sort of in and out in twenty.

1887
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 5: Twenty two things what twenty Sixteen with trump seemed to

1888
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 5: ignite him a. LITTLE bit, i mean is the famous you,

1889
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 5: bum tweet which is pretty Funny because.

1890
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: Trump went, after him and, of correct, you know, You,

1891
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: know lebron. It's funny he is just like us in

1892
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 1: that he lets social media get under his.

1893
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 2: Skin, everyone so, for sure one hundred percent he's very

1894
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 2: much in on.

1895
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 5: Social media and then the most involved he got was

1896
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 5: twenty twenty in, the bubble WHICH again i mean that's

1897
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 5: we'll look back in that fifty years from now and

1898
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 5: just a million everybody.

1899
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: Did This Was. George floyd this was sort. Of right

1900
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: it's like people getting involved in the civil rights movement in.

1901
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: The sixties it just wasn't like everybody was getting involved

1902
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: on and it.

1903
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 5: WASN'T specific i, mean again they were very specific what.

1904
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 5: They did him and, his guy he had, His Guy,

1905
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 5: Adam mendelssohn Who's Who's donold Schwarzenegger's communications guy's his, Communications guy,

1906
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 5: And well lebron is his group are really Good at

1907
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 5: they're great at finding experts what they want, to do

1908
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 5: and then we find the experts. Execute it so they

1909
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 5: get all these people from the. Political field i'm gonna.

1910
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 5: Forget there you WOULD if i knew told you, the

1911
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 5: names you would know.

1912
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: All, them NO but i Knew about mendelssohn and a. Few,

1913
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: others no he's. He's careful he doesn't, do stuff but

1914
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: whether it's business or politics, or culture he does does

1915
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: seem to be calculating. And careful and.

1916
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 5: They're right it wasn't about there was. Not voting it

1917
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,919
Speaker 5: was there. Very specific it wasn't about a. Specific candidate

1918
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 5: it wasn't about Vote For. Joe biden it was let's

1919
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 5: mobilize and let's vote and make sure we can.

1920
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 2: Vote this That's an.

1921
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 5: American right there's, nothing political, which whatever but there's nothing

1922
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 5: political about getting out. To vote and that was what

1923
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 5: the how they. Pushed IT so i and, since, then

1924
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 5: honestly it's like, you said he might. Have endorsed he

1925
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 5: might Have endorsed biden HIS last i don't remember what.

1926
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: He Did and i'm sure He. Endorsed commel i'm not saying.

1927
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: HE didn't, i mean, my GOODNESS. The nba, YOU know

1928
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: i always. Say this, you KNOW the nfl is the

1929
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: truly the only equally divided, fan base and it really Looks.

1930
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: Like america, It, is yes it is fifty. TO fifty nba,

1931
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: leans left golf, lean's right baseball, leans right hockey, leans

1932
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: right like, you know, you know show me your fan

1933
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Base and i'll show you which way they, lean exactly,

1934
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: you know and, you know so there certainly is an

1935
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: Assumption of, lebron's Politics but i've always thought he was

1936
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,759
Speaker 1: put it. This way he wasn't nearly as front Facing

1937
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: as kareem was in.

1938
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 2: His, heyday no not, even close not. Even close and

1939
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 2: the only, THING is i would say so there was

1940
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 2: one point around twenty twenty where it seemed like he

1941
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 2: was thinking he wanted to maybe position himself as that

1942
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 2: would get that where he has like.

1943
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 5: He's walking Out WITH malcolm x books, and again but

1944
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 5: this is twenty twenty and LIKE he's, i mean twenty

1945
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 5: twenty was just we could throw it out the window

1946
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 5: in terms of what people were doing and.

1947
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 2: How people are.

1948
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 5: Approaching things but he did seem to sort of be

1949
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 5: sort of be dabbling in some of. THAT stuff i think,

1950
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 5: HE rightfully i don't think that's, his SPECIALTY and i

1951
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 5: think he's been smart to sort of pull back on

1952
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 5: that a. Little bit so that's the ONLY thing i.

1953
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 5: Would say but the other part is The lawer ingram

1954
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 5: shut Up in. Dribble right that was the, other thing

1955
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 5: which was again we talked about coded and not, even,

1956
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 5: coded right and now that across, the line and that

1957
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 5: also ignited and that sort of set him off in a.

1958
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 1: Way, too no It's always i've always Thought ro lebron

1959
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: was a reactive.

1960
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 2: Political person it's a great way to put it. IN person,

1961
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 2: i like that's a great way to.

1962
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Put, it, yeah yeah well let me get you out

1963
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: of here. On this in, Twenty years lebron is going

1964
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 1: to be. We, know look we can have the. GOAT

1965
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: converse i actually somebody who Thinks That magic johnson should

1966
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: be in the in a three way conversation With with Jordan.

1967
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: And lebron and my, argument is you Know what Jordan

1968
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: and lebron. Didn't do they didn't win a title in their.

1969
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: First year they didn't take a team that didn't make

1970
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 1: the playoffs and. Win IT and i. Love it, and

1971
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: oh by, the way if NOT, for Hiv does magic

1972
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: have six Rings and michael? Has five and what's the

1973
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: conversation right like, WE could, I could i could. Have

1974
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: That so i'm Always and i've Always thought lebron is

1975
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: if you if you went to a lab and you,

1976
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: and you your two Ingredients Were magic Johnson And, michael

1977
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: jordan you Would get Lebron, Right like lebron is the

1978
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: best of both. Of them so legacy stuff aside that

1979
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: the six titles versus, ten finals that's, you know that's

1980
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 1: always going to be the marker that one person makes

1981
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: one argument to Say, it's lebron another person makes The Argument.

1982
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: Sage jordan but the one place he has a chance

1983
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: To surpass Michael and magic is in being a front

1984
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: office guy and A right magic was terrible as, a

1985
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 1: coach terrible AS, A gm michael terrible AS, a gm

1986
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 1: terrible as. An owner we have first had experience Here

1987
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 1: in washington and we've watched the debacle That. Is charlotte

1988
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: is That what. Lebron is there a competitiveness in him

1989
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: that he sees an opportunity that he gets to have

1990
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: a legacy that that that nobody else OF the nba

1991
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 1: all time greats. Have had he can also be as

1992
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: successful on the business, side too that's a.

1993
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 5: GREAT question i don't know if he's Comparing. TO jordan

1994
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 5: i do think that's something he, cares. ABOUT right i

1995
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 5: do think being remembered in terms of as. A success,

1996
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 5: i mean we see he's a billion, dollar athlete like

1997
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 5: he's already, been there and, you know he's sort of approached.

1998
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 5: The business he's been one of these guys who's been

1999
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 5: into like we get equity. And companies that's going way

2000
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 5: back and ready since, you know since he, was twenty which.

2001
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: Was insane if you think.

2002
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: Of all The mistakes magic made, early on, he's, correct,

2003
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: right yeah HE just i.

2004
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 2: Mean this the THE the iq just it's through, the

2005
01:36:54,320 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 2: charts off. THE charts I do i think the legacy

2006
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: he is gonna be maybe different. THE ownerships i think.

2007
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 5: The legacy is going to be an all time great

2008
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 5: who was different than. Everyone, else right in terms of

2009
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 5: being remembered as between, the longevity the player, empowerment stuff

2010
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 5: that's gonna be a huge part. Of it i'm, LIKE

2011
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 5: you i joke that there's like forty top, ten, players

2012
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 5: right not top, of three but like you start naming top,

2013
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 5: ten guys and You named Jerry and Magic and Kareem

2014
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 5: and shack and you get to thirty five, of, Them

2015
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,600
Speaker 5: right so it's kind of LIKE he's i don't know

2016
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 5: how to discern between any.

2017
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Of, them, yeah, like well look, at baseball how do

2018
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 1: you have the show hate Conversation versus may's and and,

2019
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: you know we all had the official line back in

2020
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 1: the Day of mays and And And ruth and now, you're,

2021
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: like well what do we do With? Show hay, you,

2022
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: know right totally changes, that, Conversation right so.

2023
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 5: The ownership part is, interesting too because it also maybe

2024
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 5: and This is i'm thinking, about it like if it,

2025
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 5: went poorly it WOULD really i think it would, hurt

2026
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 5: him maybe more than It hurt Jordan and magic. As

2027
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 5: well and that's.

2028
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 2: Also, interesting, interesting huh.

2029
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 1: Just because The expects it's because the expectations bar is.

2030
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 5: So, high yeah and almost, like again talk to some

2031
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 5: of this stuff where we talk about and for, whatever

2032
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 5: reason he's not the love necessarily the, same way it's

2033
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 5: like you're starting at.

2034
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 2: A low it's like you're starting at.

2035
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 5: A five instead of, a, ten right and it cannock,

2036
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 5: you lower, you know you have it's almost like more

2037
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 5: to lose, or whatever as Opposed. TO jordan i Mean

2038
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 5: the jordan thinks wild nobody cares what he did at any point,

2039
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 5: he can like he SPEAKS On nbc now for three

2040
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 5: minutes and people think it's the greatest interview of.

2041
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 2: All, Time RIGHT it's i don't.

2042
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: GET it, I mean i Don't find jordan's, YOU know

2043
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: I find jordan's criticism of of players not playing every

2044
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: game to be totally naive of what the game. Is today,

2045
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 1: Of course like it's just like it's just he feels

2046
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 1: like a guy that doesn't even watch THE current nba

2047
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: if this is what.

2048
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 2: He, thinks no it was.

2049
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 5: So, predictable also like, you Knew like jordan on, load

2050
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 5: management they were like they kept, hyping THAT and i

2051
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 5: could TELL you i was, gonna say then we knew

2052
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 5: wearing the, same right he's wearing the. Same suit it

2053
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 5: seems like they talked to him once for like twenty

2054
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 5: five minutes and.

2055
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: Chopping exactly what. They, did, yeah right.

2056
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 2: And everyone but people are eating. It UP so i

2057
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 2: Want the jordan thing is the WHOLE sid i, don't

2058
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: know it's like this aura, around.

2059
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: Now There's A. GRETA garbo, i mean not to go.

2060
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: BACK way i mean it's a super, old, reference right

2061
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: but that was the. Old joke she stopped talking to.

2062
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 1: The press so anytime you heard a Quote of greta

2063
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: gar oh, my god we've heard from it's Like with

2064
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: jordan's weirdly he, never talks so whenever, you Know it's by,

2065
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: the way this is a good reminder if you're super

2066
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 1: famous withholding your comments on things and then make whatever

2067
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 1: you say down the road.

2068
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 2: More.

2069
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 5: Interesting correct, So yeah so IT'S just i don't know

2070
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 5: how anyone competes THE joy.

2071
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:31,640
Speaker 2: I GET that's i guess That's what. I'M saying i

2072
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 2: don't know how you compete, with, That right IT just i,

2073
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 2: don't know.

2074
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: All right you doing a, book tour we were in

2075
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 1: the midst, of it in the midst, of, it, yes yeah?

2076
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 1: Is it how much of it? Is physical how much

2077
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: of it is? Most?

2078
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 2: Virtual yeah most? Is virtual and you say this year's

2079
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 2: year of twenty. Twenty five you, know, RIGHT well i

2080
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 2: know you you.

2081
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: What kind of reception are you getting from lebron world

2082
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: and what kind of reception are You from?

2083
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 5: Laker world So the, LAKE world, i mean it's a.

2084
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 5: Can Open the lakers threatened to sue me before this book,

2085
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 5: Came out so that was that was fun before the

2086
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 5: book came out over what not checking, the well.

2087
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 2: They hired, this guy but they they They Hired.

2088
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 5: Marty singer who was a famous defamation lawyer before they

2089
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 5: got the, fact check so they would claim it's a,

2090
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 5: fact check but they doesn't. Line up, so yeah so that.

2091
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 5: Was good So the laker world is.

2092
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: There's nothing that gives a book more promotion Than some

2093
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: yahoo threatening to. SUE IT i, i AGREE and i

2094
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 1: JOKE that i should thank them for, the marketing, YOU

2095
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: know i KIND of i was Gonna Send geny bussey thank,

2096
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 1: you note, you know, And Uh.

2097
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 5: Lebron world they're fine. With it, it's fine, You Know laker.

2098
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 5: World's Interesting so i'll get a quick it's. Been interesting

2099
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 5: lakers fans seem less interested in learning behind the scenes of.

2100
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 2: Their fans the books, doing fine, it's not, but like

2101
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,640
Speaker 2: it's been interesting To hear lakers fans not interested in

2102
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 2: LEARNING about i wrote a book On. The sixers sixers.

2103
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 5: Fans want to hear every single thing that's happening in

2104
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 5: the front office right wrote process and that why things

2105
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 5: might not. Go well laker fans get, very defensive which

2106
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 5: is it's just. Interesting, SOCIOLOGICALLY well i.

2107
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: Think if You're a, laker, fan frankly you always know

2108
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: that it always. Works out THAT'S what.

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01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 2: I think that's what.

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01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: IT is, I mean, i'm sorry, you're, like wow they

2111
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: picked they picked eighth And Got. Kobe bryant, YOU'RE like,

2112
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean i'll never. Forget that, you're, like oh What

2113
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: Does jerry west know? About this like the minute they drafted,

2114
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:19,879
Speaker 1: The guy.

2115
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 2: You're, Like Oh jerry west must know something that none

2116
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 2: of us.

2117
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: Know Yet joe bryant's kid must be, that good, you know,

2118
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: of course, all right and he gets? Him?

2119
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 2: Eight?

2120
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 1: Right seven what? Is it seven teams passed Up.

2121
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 5: On kobe, it's wild it's uh and then that's, gonna

2122
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 5: yeah it's.

2123
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 2: It's wild. It's, Wild YEAH so, i, figure right.

2124
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 1: It always works out For. The lakers they always, get

2125
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: shocked they even if they don't get the guy the, first, time, right, Yep,

2126
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 1: exactly no not like We're beloved nicks who never get.

2127
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 1: That guy And yet knicks fans always think they're going.

2128
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 2: To get that. Guy coming lebron. Is coming they never come.

2129
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 5: For sure, for sure And, like lakers, You know luca

2130
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 5: fell into the lap. Last year now they're set for.

2131
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 5: Ten years, you, know.

2132
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: So, all right why haven't you done the why CAN'T

2133
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:01,919
Speaker 1: the nixt? Win book.

2134
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 5: I've been, Told, that uh people like, Positive books That's

2135
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 5: what i've.

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01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 2: Been told, that's uh. That's interesting, we're right you've got

2137
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 2: to get, people, hope right so the right, You Know

2138
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 2: jim dolan is a kind, of buffoon is not Gonna, the.

2139
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 1: Knicks though it is amazing the amount of devotion they

2140
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 1: have for a franchise that really is one of the

2141
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: most failing franchises in the history OF. The nba.

2142
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 2: It's wild it's kind. Of it it's like special, about it,

2143
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 2: you know it's it's it's, it's yeah it's like a

2144
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 2: it's they hate they hate, the ownership they love, the

2145
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 2: team but they know there's a fatalism.

2146
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 5: To it is a mix of fatalism, and hope which is. Really,

2147
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 5: strange yeah.

2148
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 1: It's, WILD no, i mean, it's funny, you know it's,

2149
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: always supposedly, You know knicks fans Are also yankees Fans and, giants,

2150
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 1: fans supposedly While the nets fans are more likely To

2151
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 1: be jets Fans and. Mets fans and, to Me the

2152
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: knick's history feels more Like the Jets and.

2153
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 2: Mets than it does a hundred per one. Hundred percent

2154
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 2: it lines up with that for one. Hundred, Percent, anyway

2155
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 2: well this.

2156
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Was great You think lebron would ever run? For? Office oh.

2157
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 5: Great question i've not been. Asked That, UH no i don't.

2158
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 5: Think so i'm gonna, say no. That's, INTERESTING no i don't.

2159
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 1: Think so do you think he wants to be a

2160
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,720
Speaker 1: kingmaker literally in the world? Of politics? Does he does?

2161
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: He do because That's what arnold would do for a

2162
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 1: while until he finally got dragged. In that, You know

2163
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:30,640
Speaker 1: arnold is an interesting model for how you can be,

2164
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: a celebrity dabble in politics and then maybe do it

2165
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: for a small period of time but still keep. YOUR celebrity,

2166
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean arnold's been the best at that compared to

2167
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: the celebrities. TURNED politicians i.

2168
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 5: Think we're going To, SEE lebron i. THINK almost I

2169
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 5: Think magic johnson is almost. The closer the come more

2170
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 5: of the comp in terms of, the business the, business

2171
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 5: stuff and we're seeing a little of the media.

2172
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 2: AND pie, i mean He's on DraftKings, ads NOW which

2173
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 2: i don't. Really UNDERSTAND but.

2174
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: I, Don't either BUT can i just, tell, you Man

2175
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 1: The Kevin harry lebron ads are. REALLY good i mean

2176
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:06,639
Speaker 1: They humanize lebron in a way that nobody, else does.

2177
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 5: Which might be, the, point right BUT just i think

2178
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 5: it seems like, to me even That weird hennis which

2179
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,879
Speaker 5: we died To the hennessy ad with the fake, decision

2180
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 5: thing which was, not great it seems to me we're

2181
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 5: we're reinvesting in in brands and, you know business side

2182
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 5: of things in an.

2183
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 2: Interesting way so THAT'S what i would guess we're headed

2184
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 2: in terms of the post.

2185
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: Playing Career does lebron write his OWN book i or

2186
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: does he instead do a.

2187
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 2: BIG documentary i was going to say this is again it,

2188
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 2: depresses me but it's where we are these DAYS that,

2189
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 2: i mean he's got cameras following him, around already they'll

2190
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:40,719
Speaker 2: do they already, have that like they'll do their version

2191
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:42,719
Speaker 2: Of The last. Dance again we'll compare It. To jordan

2192
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna be. A documentary, UH yeah i hope we

2193
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 2: get a book like again, the guy, the writer reader

2194
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 2: or me wants, but uh you know again twenty. Twenty five, so.

2195
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah but then there's, some things, you know sometimes you

2196
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: don't want a book written until after the. PERSON dies

2197
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 1: i hate to put it, those ways but it's, you

2198
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: know well people around them tell you the real truth

2199
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: while the person, is stolen.

2200
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 5: Oh for sure from another in terms of someone doing

2201
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 5: the biography, on, Him, correct yeah in terms of him

2202
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 5: doing his, own, one, YEAH NO i i.

2203
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:16,799
Speaker 2: He doesn't participate in any long form.

2204
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 5: Interviews now like they don't do it basically for the,

2205
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 5: most part because it's why would you.

2206
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Do, THAT well i don't call him a, white Whale

2207
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: but I've probably i've, you know gotten close to striking

2208
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 1: Up A relationshipip maverick a number of times in order

2209
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 1: to try To get lebron and it's it's it's it's

2210
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: even in the. You know and he certainly at some

2211
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 1: point suddenly didn't want to be interviewed by a, political

2212
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: journalist right like that just that was not the image.

2213
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 5: They, Wanted, yeah SO like, i said, THEY have i

2214
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 5: think We'll see netflix documentaries and things.

2215
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Like, that yeah this. WAS great i. Appreciate it. Congrats

2216
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: around this was this was terrific, AND uh i can't

2217
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 1: wait to.

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01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 2: Finish it thank you. So much it's a lot. OF

2219
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:55,560
Speaker 2: fun i.

2220
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 1: Love this.

2221
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 2: It's great, Thank, you, Chuck.

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01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 1: Excellent well good luck with it and if, nothing else We're.

2223
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 1: In november you don't know what to GET your nba

2224
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 1: fan in. Your life there you go get them the

2225
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: book and get them a hard copy. Of, it anyway

2226
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:09,639
Speaker 1: did you do your own audio?

2227
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 2: THIS time i. DID not i did my, last one

2228
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:15,479
Speaker 2: and not to sound spoil it was the it's, the

2229
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 2: wife were doing your?

2230
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: Own audio and a book. Is painful it's. SO hard

2231
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: i think it's.

2232
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 5: Really hard it's And then i'm catching typos and it's

2233
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 5: making me angry because.

2234
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 2: You're reading THAT'S what i hated. About it it's a.

2235
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: Terrific exercise it. Really frees but you sit there and,

2236
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 1: you're going oh, my god how many TIMES did i use?

2237
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: This phrase oh? My god we got to? Fix it

2238
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 1: and then they tell you it's too late. To fix,

2239
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 1: too late, really.

2240
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 5: Torture right it'd be, great, if though, you know if you,

2241
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 5: weren't where if writers weren't all the standing going up against,

2242
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 5: the deadline if you gave, yourself, like okay i'll do.

2243
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 5: The audiobook i'll read it out aloud NOW because i

2244
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 5: have a two, weeks extra and so that's obviously never.

2245
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 5: The case so it's aside from the actual torture of

2246
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 5: reading it over, and over like it's your, torture yourself

2247
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,679
Speaker 5: seeing mistakes and bad phrases and just you walk out

2248
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 5: there and, be, like oh this.

2249
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 2: Is awful what? Is this, so, yeah no not. This,

2250
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 2: TIME well i hope.

2251
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: You enjoyed my guest is you're going to hear people

2252
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: use nuggets of, your book Like during lakers games by

2253
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 1: Guys Like mike Breen, and tarrico who probably are all

2254
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 1: devouring it as. We speak so that'll be a lot

2255
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 1: of fun, FOR you.

2256
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:14,639
Speaker 2: I hope So, thanks jacket.

2257
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 1: My friend it's good to.

2258
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 6: Meet You, all right it is Podcast time, machine time

2259
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 6: AND as, I teased i'm going to do some what

2260
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 6: ifs that you could argue are sort of.

2261
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: Going back at a time machine but impacting what happened

2262
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: and then coming back, and, seeing hey what happened when

2263
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: You gave biff the gamble the sports almanac and he

2264
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,799
Speaker 1: could go back in time and gamble on all the. Actual,

2265
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: Outcomes right so we'll be doing, you know in some

2266
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 1: ways that is the distortion Of Our todd Cash time.

2267
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 1: Eschine SEGMENT but i am in straightforward mode and as,

2268
01:47:57,200 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 1: you know just to give you sort of the parameters

2269
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 1: OF what. I use it is a there is something

2270
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 1: taking place this coming week, in history a milestone. That

2271
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: happened in, this Case it's december, thirty first nineteen, fifty

2272
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: four is where we're going back in our podcast. Time

2273
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 1: machine so that is and it is something that came to,

2274
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:23,720
Speaker 1: an End and i'm going to use it to tell

2275
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 1: the story of what, we are which is a very

2276
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 1: reluctant nation. Of immigrants let. Me explain december, thirty first nineteen,

2277
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: Fifty Four ellis island quietly closed its doors to become simply.

2278
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: A museum there was, no ceremony there was, no speech

2279
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: there was no national moment, of reflection which is actually

2280
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: fitting because at, The Time ellis island didn't Close because

2281
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 1: america stopped being a nation. Of immigrants it closed because

2282
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,719
Speaker 1: the immigration system That Built ellis island no. Longer existed

2283
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: i'm going to get, to that and that quiet ending

2284
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 1: gives us a perfect entry point into a much, bigger

2285
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: question and it's one we have been arguing about since

2286
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: the founding of. This Country is america a nation? Of

2287
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 1: immigrants and if, we are which factually, we are have

2288
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 1: we always been actually a reluctant nation, of immigrants which

2289
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 1: is The case i'm going to make with this. Time

2290
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: machine so, it, answered honestly we do need to strip

2291
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 1: away the nostalgia and we need to look at what

2292
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 1: the twentieth century actually did when it came to immigration

2293
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 1: Into The. United, states first we're going to talk about

2294
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 1: the myth and the Reality. Of alisheim at the turn

2295
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: of the, twentieth century immigration In The united states, was

2296
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 1: massive it, was chaotic and it was. Largely Unrestricted allis

2297
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: island processed millions, of people sometimes as many as twelve

2298
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 1: thousand people, a day and most were arriving by Steamship.

2299
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: From europe that was the primary way we got immigrants into,

2300
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 1: this country and it is also the version of immigration

2301
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 1: That we americans love. To romanticize but, even that there

2302
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 1: was anxiety built into the immigration system at. That time

2303
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 1: newspapers in, that time and if you Go To elis

2304
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: island as, a museum you will. See this as this,

2305
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 1: was happening we talk about it As Amazing, elis island

2306
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: and in fact it's a badge of honor if you

2307
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: had a relative Come Through. Ellis, Island right but at,

2308
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:20,799
Speaker 1: the time this is what newspapers were. Warning about, crime,

2309
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: disease anarchists, job competition. Cultural change in, Other words america

2310
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 1: has never experienced an immigration surge without fear attached. To

2311
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 1: it and this has been true arguably since the, very

2312
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 1: beginning but certainly it was also all throughout the, twentieth

2313
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 1: century and by the, nineteen twenties this fear got turned

2314
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 1: into policy that brings us to the, quota system which

2315
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: Actually governed america's immigration system for basically half of the.

2316
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 1: Twentieth century the modern immigration debate really begins with this

2317
01:50:55,640 --> 01:51:00,679
Speaker 1: decision to restrict entrees. Via Quota The immigration act of nineteen,

2318
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 1: twenty four which was also known As The Johnson, reid

2319
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:06,640
Speaker 1: act created what was a national origins quota system that

2320
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 1: fundamentally reshaped who could come To The. United states and

2321
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 1: this decision sort of embedded a form of racism that

2322
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 1: people now look back on nostalgically, and, think Well if

2323
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 1: america was, for it it couldn't have. Been Racist but

2324
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: i'll get. To that but here's What This immigration. Act

2325
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 1: did one it severely limited immigration from Southern And. Eastern

2326
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 1: europe as Somebody whose jewish relatives Came From, eastern europe

2327
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 1: let me just say that a Lot of jews saw

2328
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 1: that at the time as Essentially preventing jews from coming

2329
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 1: Into The. United states but if you just made it

2330
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: about a certain Region, of europe it didn't look like

2331
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: some sort of restriction based. On religion the nineteen twenty

2332
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 1: four law favored northern And, western europe and it virtually

2333
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 1: excluded immigrants coming In from Asia. And africa well what did?

2334
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: It do immigration dropped by more than, Eighty percent and

2335
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 1: this is actually what Essentially Ended, ellis island even though

2336
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: thirty years later they finally shut. Their doors because after nineteen,

2337
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 1: twenty four most immigrants had to be approved. Before arriving

2338
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 1: it used to be you got processed once you. Got

2339
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 1: here then in the after nineteen, twenty four you had

2340
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: to get approval before you. Could come ship based mass

2341
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 1: migration completely collapsed because of this change, in Law And

2342
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 1: ellis island never really operated again as a true gateway

2343
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 1: after nineteen, Twenty four and, in fact by The Time

2344
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: ellis Island closes december, thirty first nineteen, fifty four it's

2345
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:39,679
Speaker 1: no longer a symbol. Of openness it's simply a relic

2346
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 1: of A system america had already, had abandoned which brings

2347
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: us to the next turning point in the immigration debate

2348
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five and what lawmakers thought they were doing

2349
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,640
Speaker 1: versus what ended. Up happening and this arguably is the

2350
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 1: most consequential legislation that was enacted and arguably still not.

2351
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: Fixed Sense the Immigration And nationality act of nineteen sixty

2352
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:07,639
Speaker 1: five is easily one of the most misunderstood Laws in

2353
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: american history because it did not come due to a

2354
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 1: sudden embrace of. Mass immigration it actually came out of

2355
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: a civil, rights argument and it Was A cold war

2356
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: inspired a civil. Rights, ARGUMENT yeah i have one of

2357
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: the one of my thesis in sort of why we

2358
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 1: had less polarization During The, Cold war and, in fact

2359
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 1: one of my major THESIS is i don't think we

2360
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: Get The Civil RIGHTS act a sixty five Without The.

2361
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 1: Cold war that our fight With, the soviets who we

2362
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 1: are having a propaganda war about democracy. And freedom how

2363
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 1: could we be glamorizing democracy without giving freedom To every

2364
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 1: american that lived in. This country so there Was The

2365
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: cold war politics sort of HOW bring i think both

2366
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 1: sides together? On THIS and i wonder Without The cold

2367
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 1: war do we Get The Civil. Rights sact i'll save

2368
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 1: that for another. What if but by the, early sixties

2369
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 1: the national origins quota system was really embarrassing For The

2370
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 1: united states internationally because it was. Explicitly discriminatory we picked

2371
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: and chose what ethnic origins we wanted in which ones.

2372
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 1: We didn't we contradicted what was the civil rights movement

2373
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 1: at home at, that moment and WE undermined us. Credibility

2374
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 1: abroad and, in fact it was standing At the Statue

2375
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 1: of liberty That Then PRESIDENT. Lyndon b johnson said the

2376
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 1: system violated quote the basic Principle of. American democracy so

2377
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 1: he was making a moral case. On immigration but here's

2378
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: the part. We forgot the law was sold To the

2379
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: american public as being very modest and. Non transformational this

2380
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 1: wasn't going to have a. Huge impact supporters went out

2381
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: of their way to reassure skeptics in. That moment they argued,

2382
01:54:56,680 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 1: the following this would not dramatically, Increase immigration this would

2383
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,400
Speaker 1: not change the ethnic composition of, the country and this was,

2384
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 1: about fairness. Not volume, in Fact Then Senator ted kennedy

2385
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 1: famously said the bill would not quote flood our cities

2386
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 1: or quote upset the ethnic mix of. Our society and,

2387
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 1: many critics including labor unions weren't focused on race. At

2388
01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:20,640
Speaker 1: all they worried about, job competition, wage pressure and whether

2389
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 1: the country could absorb. More people those concerns. Were minimized

2390
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 1: they were sort of glossed over and attributed frankly, to

2391
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 1: oh you're, being racist you're. Being xenophobic you're not. Seeing

2392
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: it so Here's what. Congress built the structure of the

2393
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,240
Speaker 1: law mattered more than the speeches that. Were given so

2394
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 1: the law abolished the national. Origins quotas it prioritized, family

2395
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 1: reunification which was a huge aspect. To this it created

2396
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: limited employment, based visas so no one fully modeled what

2397
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 1: all of that would mean, over time and once one

2398
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 1: family member entered, legal life then others. Could follow it

2399
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 1: was called, chain migration and it was never the intent of,

2400
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 1: the law but it ended up being. A mechanism the

2401
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 1: result wasn't, immediate chaos but it was steady and. Sustained

2402
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: growth and the shift and where immigrants came from, also

2403
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 1: changed which brings us to the next, unresolved chapter and

2404
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 1: that was the nineteen eighties amnesty enforcement in the deal that.

2405
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: Didn't hold so by the, late seventies growing Up, in

2406
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 1: miami this was my sort of first memory of, policy

2407
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 1: debates and it was All Over central American and, cuban

2408
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 1: IMMIGRANTS so i had a front row seat. To this

2409
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: so by the late seventies and, early eighties a reality

2410
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 1: had become impossible. To ignore millions of people were already

2411
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 1: living and working In The united, states illegally and the

2412
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: system had no. Credible answer There wasn't this wasn't. New

2413
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 1: migration it was simply. Accumulated migration and agriculture relied on

2414
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: it and there was no enforcement. Against it construction relied on,

2415
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 1: it again no enforcement. Against it restaurants relied, on, it

2416
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 1: again no enforcement.

2417
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:02,600
Speaker 2: Against it and both parties.

2418
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 1: Knew it and it leads To The immigration Reform And

2419
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 1: control act Signed By ronald reagan in nineteen. Eighty Six

2420
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:12,960
Speaker 1: The mizzoli act some people know it As, the deal

2421
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:16,840
Speaker 1: had three, Parts legalization so basically it gave amnesty to

2422
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: about three million. Undocumented immigrants they got legal. Status automatically

2423
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 1: number two was. Employer sanctions employers were supposed to be

2424
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 1: punished for hiring. Undocumented workers nineteen. Eighty, six yeah we

2425
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 1: can't even get anybody to use e, ferify today and

2426
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 1: we didn't even have that system in place in nineteen,

2427
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 1: eighty six, and then of course there was the promise

2428
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:40,040
Speaker 1: of more. Border enforcement this was a promise that this

2429
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:42,840
Speaker 1: would be a one. Time resent reagan even framed it,

2430
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 1: pretty optimistically consistent with. His worldview it was a. Humane

2431
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 1: solution so here's why. It failed and this is, the

2432
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 1: history the lesson history keeps teaching us on. This issue the,

2433
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:58,680
Speaker 1: legalization worked enforcement did not employer sanctions were very, weakly

2434
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 1: enforced if. At all demand for labor never, did change

2435
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 1: and the legal pathways never, did expand so.

2436
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 2: Then all the.

2437
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 1: Incentives remained chain migration essentially was the best, way Through

2438
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 1: and congress. Moved on they left the system permanently unfinished

2439
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,120
Speaker 1: because our politics were too complicated on this and there

2440
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 1: was no clean left. Right argument there were coalitions in

2441
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 1: different ways that sort.

2442
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 2: Of really.

2443
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 1: Made this impossible for one party to be the party

2444
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:31,640
Speaker 1: in one way or. THE other, i Mean In south

2445
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 1: florida You had republicans standing up for migrants and undocumented

2446
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: immigrants in ways that you.

2447
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 2: Didn't have in other parts in.

2448
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 1: The country but then In the midwest you had. Conservative

2449
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:43,760
Speaker 1: farmers you needed. Labor anyway, you know many, of you

2450
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 1: if you're listening to, this podcast you know. That story

2451
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 1: but after, eighty six arguably this is where our modern

2452
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 1: immigration politics. Are born legalization without, durbal enforcement enforcement without,

2453
01:58:55,640 --> 01:59:00,200
Speaker 1: legal reform and a growing population living. In limbo this

2454
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: is where the current era fits Into all this, historical

2455
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:06,760
Speaker 1: contest of, course matters which IS why i wanted to lay.

2456
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: THIS out i thought this would be a good pretext

2457
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 1: to sort, of explain, you know constantly the number one

2458
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 1: Question that i'm asking is how did we? Get here

2459
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 1: it's usually a, follow up whether it's on campaign, finance

2460
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 1: reform it could be a follow up, on democracy follow

2461
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 1: up on, for policy follow up on, character politics follow

2462
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 1: up on, the media but question remains, the same how

2463
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 1: did we? Get, here well, on immigration this is my

2464
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 1: best way of trying to explain how did we? GET

2465
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 1: here i don't Know if i've got a. Way OUT if,

2466
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 1: i Did maybe i'd be running. For office but this

2467
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 1: is it's important to understand the context Because the trump

2468
01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:44,720
Speaker 1: administration didn't invent, immigration restriction but what they did do

2469
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 1: is rejected the optimism of the nineteen sixty, five reforms

2470
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: rejected the compromise language of the nineteen eighty, six reforms

2471
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 1: and lean heavily, into enforcement, de terrence. And symbolism so

2472
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: what was new wasn't. Really restriction it. Was rhetoric it was,

2473
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:06,000
Speaker 1: the visibility the willingness to make immigration the central cultural. Dividing,

2474
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:10,280
Speaker 1: line historically this isn't. A rupture it's actually simply a.

2475
02:00:10,280 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 1: Pendulum swing it's a return to An older. American instinct

2476
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 1: but it's one of the uglier Chapters. Of america it's

2477
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:19,800
Speaker 1: not the. Ugliest chapter we know what that, one is

2478
02:00:20,360 --> 02:00:23,200
Speaker 1: but it's one of the, uglier ones and we're still

2479
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: dealing with the fallout, from it which leads me to ask,

2480
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 1: this question are we really a nation? Of immigrants so

2481
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:33,000
Speaker 1: let's say answer the question as honestly as. We, can yes.

2482
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 1: We are we are a nation, of Immigrants and america

2483
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:37,120
Speaker 1: is still more of an idea than it is. An

2484
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 1: ethnicity but.

2485
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:40,240
Speaker 2: History suggests something a bit.

2486
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 1: More precise we are a nation, of immigrants but we're

2487
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 1: a reluctant nation. Of immigrants we celebrate immigration in retrospect

2488
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 1: once the simulation happens and once the, fear fades but

2489
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 1: in real time, anxiety dominates, restriction follows and the half.

2490
02:00:56,680 --> 02:01:02,800
Speaker 1: Finished Reforms Pilot ellis island closed because mass immigration and

2491
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:08,680
Speaker 1: the quota. System rose because. Fear prevailed the nineteen sixty

2492
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 1: five law reopened the. Door cautiously nineteen eighty six tried

2493
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 1: to reset the, system imperfectly and today we're still arguing

2494
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:21,800
Speaker 1: over the consequences. Of Both So ellis island didn't close

2495
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,520
Speaker 1: Because the american. Dream ended it closed because the, system

2496
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:28,480
Speaker 1: changed and the tension between openness and control never. Went

2497
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,920
Speaker 1: away that tension, isn't new and it goes back TO

2498
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:35,440
Speaker 1: what i think is the, founding tension and that divides

2499
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:40,080
Speaker 1: so much of, our politics which is a basic argument

2500
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:45,919
Speaker 1: of who gets to Be? An AMERICAN and i actually

2501
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:49,879
Speaker 1: think it should continue to be the single most important

2502
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:54,120
Speaker 1: debate question That a civics teacher should want to be

2503
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 1: asked to everybody that runs, for office and, every debate

2504
02:01:57,880 --> 02:02:02,160
Speaker 1: every interview of a new CANDIDATE for aufas should always include, that,

2505
02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:07,960
Speaker 1: question right who gets to Be? An american.

2506
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 2: Tell me how you.

2507
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,240
Speaker 1: Answer that you answer that question, for Me and i'll

2508
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 1: tell you what your political, philosophy is because that's the

2509
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:25,000
Speaker 1: debate we continue, to have and ultimately it's the debate

2510
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 1: that's at the heart of the of this division and

2511
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 1: what has been essentially a never ending debate about who

2512
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:37,360
Speaker 1: gets to Be, an american who gets to Come, to

2513
02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:40,200
Speaker 1: america who gets to Work, in america and who gets

2514
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:52,560
Speaker 1: to be who gets the Privileges of? American citizenship, all

2515
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 1: right so, with that let me sneak in a. Few

2516
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,360
Speaker 1: questions we'll do a little last check. Coming up I'm

2517
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna i'm gonna give an empty the, mail bag as,

2518
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:04,720
Speaker 1: they say but let me do a, few Now, Ask,

2519
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:10,680
Speaker 1: Chuck haye Chuck And happy holidays wanted a flag a

2520
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 1: fun but serious proposal from former Podcast Guest Congressman Chris,

2521
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:18,720
Speaker 1: deluzio Pennsylvania The Hot Dog act Honest hot dog is

2522
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:22,200
Speaker 1: an acronym in this case honest oversight of ticketed dining

2523
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:25,600
Speaker 1: and on, site grub which calls ON the ftc to

2524
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:30,280
Speaker 1: investigate concession price gouging at publicly. Funded stadiums has anyone

2525
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 1: who's recently been to a major sporting event can attest

2526
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 1: food prices are out? Of control giving your intersection of sports,

2527
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:38,680
Speaker 1: And politics i'd love to hear your take. ON this ps,

2528
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:41,400
Speaker 1: totally random but do you have a favorite? Political comedy

2529
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:45,760
Speaker 1: dave nineteen ninety three is high on. My List. Chris pittsburgh,

2530
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:49,520
Speaker 1: you know that's actually a good it's a good top

2531
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:51,400
Speaker 1: five LIST that i ought to come. Up with i'll

2532
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:53,600
Speaker 1: tell you the FIRST movie i think of when you

2533
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:56,720
Speaker 1: asked me about a good political Comedy Is. Distinguished gentlemen

2534
02:03:57,000 --> 02:04:00,040
Speaker 1: It's The eddie murphy One. On congress it was written in.

2535
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:03,800
Speaker 1: EARLY nineties i remember in THE moment i felt the

2536
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:06,040
Speaker 1: same way about that MOVIE that i Felt about idiocracy

2537
02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:07,720
Speaker 1: the FIRST time i saw it when it came Out. In.

2538
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 1: No six let's just say an age. AS well I

2539
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:13,760
Speaker 1: Think distinguished gentleman does as good of a job of

2540
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 1: Explaining how congress, actually works or, excuse Me how, washington

2541
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:19,120
Speaker 1: works since it's a CLASS that i teach for my

2542
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 1: FRIENDS at usc than any. Any other dave's a, Good

2543
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:25,840
Speaker 1: one don't get, Me wrong dave's in that my, top

2544
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:29,800
Speaker 1: Five But distinguished GENTLEMEN probably i go a little bit

2545
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,520
Speaker 1: higher because it was written by ex, congressional staffers so

2546
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:39,040
Speaker 1: there was there was little little grace notes of detail

2547
02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:44,200
Speaker 1: that were just Fantastic that dave. Didn't have, dave romanticized,

2548
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:47,640
Speaker 1: You know dave is sort Of the west wingification of it,

2549
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:50,440
Speaker 1: of things a little bit kind Of Like american president,

2550
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 1: You know dave feels like it should have Been An

2551
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:55,280
Speaker 1: aaron zorcin even though. It wasn't but it's sort of

2552
02:04:55,280 --> 02:05:00,000
Speaker 1: the fantasy land versus distinguished gentleman is a little bit

2553
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:03,640
Speaker 1: more of a reality check. On it, so ANYWAY but. I,

2554
02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:08,200
Speaker 1: DIGRESS look i think you bring up an, interesting point

2555
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:12,800
Speaker 1: and it's one OF those i remember when the the

2556
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:20,080
Speaker 1: sort of the snobbish political media Coop coud biden focusing on.

2557
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:26,560
Speaker 1: Junk fees but this sort of incremental price gouging that.

2558
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:31,200
Speaker 1: Takes place first, OF all i do think sporting events

2559
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:34,200
Speaker 1: and music events are becoming we are pricing out the, middle,

2560
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:38,680
Speaker 1: Class right and, IN fact i would expand That. To.

2561
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:42,760
Speaker 1: Disney right look at how expensive two Nights at, disney

2562
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:47,240
Speaker 1: are and. THERE isn't, i, mean basically if you're Not a,

2563
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:50,600
Speaker 1: florida resident you and you get a little bit Of

2564
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:54,840
Speaker 1: the florida, resident discount it's hard To afford disney more

2565
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,680
Speaker 1: than sort of once, a, lifetime right once. A generation

2566
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 1: it is that expense, to do and it, is look,

2567
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 1: YOU know i. Could, MIND hey i only paid fifty

2568
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:10,280
Speaker 1: bucks to go See The, rolling, Stones RIGHT and i

2569
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 1: THINK and i remember feeling price GOUTS when i was

2570
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 1: sitting in the four hundreds for you too at. Ninety

2571
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 1: bucks and then of course there's the amount of money

2572
02:06:19,600 --> 02:06:22,000
Speaker 1: my daughter spent to Go See taylor SWIFT that i

2573
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:24,000
Speaker 1: may or may not have helped subsidize at least one

2574
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:27,320
Speaker 1: of the concerts that you got, to see and that

2575
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:30,040
Speaker 1: was well into the three and four hundred. Dollars range

2576
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:33,280
Speaker 1: so some of this, is inflation there's. No doubt but,

2577
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:39,280
Speaker 1: you know are we making sporting events and, you're, right

2578
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:44,879
Speaker 1: right so many taxpayer dollars are being used to develop

2579
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:45,720
Speaker 1: almost all of.

2580
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:45,920
Speaker 2: These.

2581
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:51,000
Speaker 1: Venues right there aren't many arenas or stadiums that don't

2582
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 1: have some that didn't get developed without some sort of public.

2583
02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:58,880
Speaker 1: Tax break some of it is. QUITE small, i mean

2584
02:06:59,160 --> 02:07:02,320
Speaker 1: the owner Of the dolphs mostly built everything on. His

2585
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:04,040
Speaker 1: own but, you know it's not like he built the

2586
02:07:04,120 --> 02:07:07,760
Speaker 1: roads to the stadium that he got that that certainly had,

2587
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:12,640
Speaker 1: some taxpayer uh taxpayer involvement. In it but all of,

2588
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 1: these venues all of, these arenas open, air stadiums closed

2589
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:24,520
Speaker 1: stadiums where you, see, Concerts revivals disney, on ice, sporting,

2590
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: events concerts. Et, cetera right they're all massively going up,

2591
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:36,520
Speaker 1: in price and there is this idea of captive audience.

2592
02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 1: The process, you know we've we've we've we've had fits.

2593
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:42,800
Speaker 1: And starts, you know we beat Up. Ticket master it

2594
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:44,440
Speaker 1: feels like every once in a while when we want

2595
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:47,200
Speaker 1: when when it looks like, everybody's, hey look we're we're

2596
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:49,560
Speaker 1: going to protect. The consumer let's go After ticket master

2597
02:07:49,880 --> 02:07:52,839
Speaker 1: because they're kind of the, ticketing monopoly although the monopoly

2598
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:57,480
Speaker 1: is less than it was than it, once was but

2599
02:07:57,560 --> 02:08:00,600
Speaker 1: you're getting at SOMETHING that i think that. There is,

2600
02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:02,680
Speaker 1: you know there's always a question are we going to

2601
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:07,720
Speaker 1: hit a point where the average fan is priced out

2602
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:11,440
Speaker 1: of being able to attend to? THESE games nfl games feel,

2603
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:14,080
Speaker 1: that way, you know and you throw in the hassle of, it,

2604
02:08:14,120 --> 02:08:16,360
Speaker 1: all right it's not easy to get to in some

2605
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 1: cases that for the price, the hassle is the experience? Worth?

2606
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 1: It right you start factoring all that in and you

2607
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:30,400
Speaker 1: know there's so many different velvet ropes that they want

2608
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:36,280
Speaker 1: to sell you as well with, these experiences and then

2609
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:42,480
Speaker 1: these teams and these even entertainers prioritize the experience for

2610
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:47,200
Speaker 1: the super elite because they can basically profit more, on

2611
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:50,640
Speaker 1: that creating more velvet rope moments for those that can,

2612
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:53,520
Speaker 1: afford it because that's where you can get your, extra

2613
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,720
Speaker 1: cash that's where you can get your. Extra profit not

2614
02:08:56,840 --> 02:09:01,200
Speaker 1: providing those experiences for the, middle class not even providing

2615
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:04,600
Speaker 1: the opportunity beyond obviously financially being able to have. The opportunity.

2616
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 2: It, Is.

2617
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 1: Look i'm at the end of, The day i'm, a free.

2618
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:14,880
Speaker 1: Free MARKETER but i think that you are a large

2619
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:19,120
Speaker 1: customer base is better than a niche customer base that is.

2620
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:22,960
Speaker 1: Extraordinarily wealthy you may make a good business out of

2621
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:25,920
Speaker 1: that for a, few years but that is not a

2622
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:30,320
Speaker 1: long term strategy. For Success disney world works because it

2623
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:35,320
Speaker 1: seems to appeal, to all but the Minute disney world

2624
02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 1: creates these barriers to entry that are now higher and

2625
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:42,280
Speaker 1: higher for the, working, class well Then suddenly disney isn't.

2626
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 1: For all And suddenly disney RELEASES a dvd or a

2627
02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:48,720
Speaker 1: movie or a new show, on streaming and people don't

2628
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 1: want to give you the six dollars a, month anymore

2629
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:53,360
Speaker 1: the ten dollars a month anymore in order to get

2630
02:09:53,400 --> 02:09:56,120
Speaker 1: access to those princess movies or get access to some

2631
02:09:56,160 --> 02:10:03,000
Speaker 1: of these fun. Animated shorts and then you suddenly lose

2632
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:09,280
Speaker 1: pieces of your. Customer base, SO look I think i love.

2633
02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:13,240
Speaker 1: The idea you know that you focus on publicly. FUNDED

2634
02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:17,320
Speaker 1: stadiums i would love find me the stadium or arena

2635
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 1: that didn't have some public. Funding help and again to

2636
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:27,960
Speaker 1: me building roads and freeways that explicitly get to your

2637
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:32,839
Speaker 1: stadium Like The Joe. Robbie stadium yes he did the stadium,

2638
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:37,920
Speaker 1: part himself but not all of the government essentially infrastructure

2639
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:41,400
Speaker 1: that was needed to support fifty to eighty thousand people

2640
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:43,560
Speaker 1: going in and out of that place ten or fifteen times.

2641
02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:50,200
Speaker 1: A year so, in fairness there isn't. Anything there and,

2642
02:10:50,920 --> 02:10:56,440
Speaker 1: you know wouldn't it be interesting if you essentially created

2643
02:10:56,480 --> 02:11:03,680
Speaker 1: two pricing structures where those that paid taxes in that

2644
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:07,280
Speaker 1: area got, a discount the Same way disney Does give

2645
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:11,360
Speaker 1: florida residents. A discount you Get a florida. RESIDENT discount

2646
02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:13,440
Speaker 1: i assume there's One. IN california i don't know about.

2647
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:15,080
Speaker 1: THAT one i know About the florida ONE because i

2648
02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:15,480
Speaker 1: LIVE the.

2649
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:17,480
Speaker 2: I have lived.

2650
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:21,240
Speaker 1: Planing around there's, certain months it used to be certain

2651
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:24,120
Speaker 1: months a year That the florida discount would. Kick in,

2652
02:11:24,360 --> 02:11:26,800
Speaker 1: you know IT'S basically i think it would be the

2653
02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:31,800
Speaker 1: times that others were traveling less and They wanted, you

2654
02:11:31,800 --> 02:11:35,040
Speaker 1: know it used to Be that, disney saw just get

2655
02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:37,040
Speaker 1: people in your park and then you can sell them,

2656
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 1: other stuff even if you get them in the park.

2657
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:43,120
Speaker 1: For free and it used to be the mindset of, stadium,

2658
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:45,560
Speaker 1: owners right gets you into, the park, you know buy

2659
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:47,800
Speaker 1: a ten. Dollars coke, you know so what if you

2660
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:49,320
Speaker 1: got the ticket? For free AT least i got some

2661
02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:53,240
Speaker 1: money out. Of you but it's an. INTERESTING thought i

2662
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:55,360
Speaker 1: will just tell. You this this is the type of

2663
02:11:55,400 --> 02:11:59,640
Speaker 1: populist politics that cuts across. Partisan lines right when you're

2664
02:11:59,680 --> 02:12:02,600
Speaker 1: sort of getting at something that annoys the liberal and,

2665
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:05,400
Speaker 1: the conservative, you know, you're, like man what's this? Price

2666
02:12:05,480 --> 02:12:08,960
Speaker 1: gouging didn't my taxpayers contribute taxpayer money contribute? To this

2667
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:12,040
Speaker 1: WHY am i now paying an extra surcharge on top

2668
02:12:12,080 --> 02:12:14,160
Speaker 1: of the tax dollars that already went? To this? You

2669
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:18,600
Speaker 1: KNOW so i think IT'S a i think it's A

2670
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:22,520
Speaker 1: good it's like the stock trading ban at it's good.

2671
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:25,320
Speaker 1: POPULOUS politics i don't know if this is, good LAW

2672
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:27,960
Speaker 1: but i do know it's. Good politics, all right let

2673
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 1: me take one. More question we'll do a, little, football

2674
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:32,320
Speaker 1: BECAUSE like, I said i'm going to do a whole

2675
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:36,280
Speaker 1: monster mail bag HERE that i promise this comes From.

2676
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 1: Daniel a, He, Says, hey chuck a few weeks ago

2677
02:12:38,080 --> 02:12:40,919
Speaker 1: you mentioned that both parties are likely to see new congressional.

2678
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:42,760
Speaker 1: Leadership soon how much do you think the twenty twenty

2679
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:45,600
Speaker 1: six midterms will shape? Those races, for Instance if democrats

2680
02:12:45,640 --> 02:12:47,960
Speaker 1: gained lots, of seats could new moderates push for centrist

2681
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,720
Speaker 1: LEADERSHIP while gip losses leave only hard right members to

2682
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:52,880
Speaker 1: elevate a more. Extreme leader or are there are other

2683
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:55,400
Speaker 1: dynamics at play beyond. The, MATH look i think the

2684
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:57,000
Speaker 1: math is going to. Mean something.

2685
02:12:58,600 --> 02:12:59,480
Speaker 2: You know Take Take.

2686
02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:03,760
Speaker 1: Chuck ship though he's unpopular In the, democratic base there's

2687
02:13:03,800 --> 02:13:07,640
Speaker 1: no doubt. About it he has got many elected senators

2688
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:12,320
Speaker 1: who don't have the confidence in. His leadership But if

2689
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:15,320
Speaker 1: democrats Gain, the senate are they really going to get rid?

2690
02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:16,800
Speaker 1: Of them they're not going to get rid. Of them

2691
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:19,800
Speaker 1: it's just not the way, senators behave even if there's

2692
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:25,520
Speaker 1: a slew of. New senators so the, point being his results, matter, Here,

2693
02:13:25,640 --> 02:13:28,800
Speaker 1: right Look Does mike johnson state speaker if they Hold? The,

2694
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:32,560
Speaker 1: house yes, YOU know, i mean it's, just yes that's how,

2695
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:37,120
Speaker 1: it works you know, It is and is he gone

2696
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:39,320
Speaker 1: and not a leader at all if they lose control Of. The,

2697
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:42,880
Speaker 1: house yes that's going to be the. Case too by,

2698
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 1: THE way i Think both Schumer, and Jeffries if democrats

2699
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:48,000
Speaker 1: don't Win the House, and senate they're. Both gone the

2700
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 1: question is whether any of them can SURVIVE what i

2701
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:57,160
Speaker 1: think is going to, be knockdown drag out intra party

2702
02:13:57,200 --> 02:14:00,000
Speaker 1: fights in twenty eight on the direction of. Both parties

2703
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:03,520
Speaker 1: you know? Which direction Is The democratic party going? To

2704
02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:06,880
Speaker 1: go in a more democratic socialist direction or in a

2705
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 1: more sort of business. Friendly? Direction right that is ultimately

2706
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:14,080
Speaker 1: the larger argument that that party's going, To HAVE and

2707
02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:16,640
Speaker 1: i think the larger Argument the republicans are going to

2708
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 1: have is are they going to be a sort of

2709
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 1: more of a populist nationalist party or are they going

2710
02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:31,360
Speaker 1: to be a more, free market business. Friendly party and

2711
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:34,560
Speaker 1: that same fight in a different different ways is going

2712
02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 1: to and it's going to be interesting because you have

2713
02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:40,480
Speaker 1: some people participating both in the center left camp and

2714
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:43,920
Speaker 1: the center right camp hoping that at least one of

2715
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:47,120
Speaker 1: them wins their argument in. Their primaries it's possible, neither,

2716
02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:49,800
Speaker 1: does right and we Get jd VANCE and, aoc right

2717
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:52,480
Speaker 1: which would be, you know it's SORT of. I joke,

2718
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:55,040
Speaker 1: you know if We Got ken Paxon And jasmine Crockett,

2719
02:14:55,080 --> 02:14:57,160
Speaker 1: in texas it would be essentially a preview of what

2720
02:14:57,200 --> 02:15:01,400
Speaker 1: would happen if both parties nominated from their bases the

2721
02:15:01,480 --> 02:15:05,680
Speaker 1: next two. Presidential NOMINEES so i do think the results

2722
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:08,959
Speaker 1: in twenty six will have a. Huge impact the safest

2723
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:12,960
Speaker 1: of the four Leaders is Thune because thune Isn't a,

2724
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:18,120
Speaker 1: trump acolyte but he is seems to Have managed trump,

2725
02:15:18,200 --> 02:15:26,680
Speaker 1: okay enough, you know, we'll see but, you KNOW and

2726
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:30,360
Speaker 1: i don't think losses will be attributed. TO him i

2727
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:34,320
Speaker 1: think the losses will be Attributed, to trump which weirdly Could. Strengthen,

2728
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:37,720
Speaker 1: thune so of, THE four I think thune is the least,

2729
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:41,080
Speaker 1: in danger but all of the other three very much

2730
02:15:41,320 --> 02:15:45,160
Speaker 1: their futures rely on the results of the of the

2731
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:46,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

2732
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:57,080
Speaker 3: Mid Terms, All right i'm gonna stop THERE because i

2733
02:15:57,080 --> 02:15:59,040
Speaker 3: think for many of you this Will be i'm gonna

2734
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:03,800
Speaker 3: use this instead of a little bit of a football.

2735
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 1: IN review a. Little bit we had our, single best

2736
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,720
Speaker 1: most interesting College football bowl day that you, could have

2737
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:15,440
Speaker 1: and it really was just not, that. INTERESTING right, I

2738
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:19,360
Speaker 1: mean i ENJOYED The Byu georgia. TECH game i was

2739
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:22,040
Speaker 1: glad to see it. Was competitive it does feel as

2740
02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:24,480
Speaker 1: If The Pop tarts bowl is now the only non

2741
02:16:24,520 --> 02:16:29,840
Speaker 1: major bowl that anybody seems to have, heard of which is. Just.

2742
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:32,240
Speaker 1: Crazy right, you know back in, my Day The, Gator Bowl,

2743
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:34,840
Speaker 1: Liberty Bowl, peach bowl which were not. Major bowls then

2744
02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:38,320
Speaker 1: none of Them Were. Citrus bowl, you know they had

2745
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:40,600
Speaker 1: their own cachets. About it, you Know The sun bowl

2746
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:42,840
Speaker 1: had a, real History The liberty bowl had a. Real

2747
02:16:42,920 --> 02:16:44,480
Speaker 1: history i've been To A, liberty bowl for what. It's

2748
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:46,000
Speaker 1: worth i've been To A peach bowl back in the

2749
02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:48,480
Speaker 1: day when It was miami's first bowl game in, fifteen

2750
02:16:48,560 --> 02:16:53,160
Speaker 1: years and you still have, the. Phenomenon, right Look The

2751
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:56,640
Speaker 1: Clemson penn state game was just atrocious. To watch the

2752
02:16:56,640 --> 02:17:01,760
Speaker 1: only game worse to watch was was the Mind Of

2753
02:17:01,800 --> 02:17:04,880
Speaker 1: Ohio president. State, game literally if you only if you

2754
02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:07,520
Speaker 1: were gambling, on it were you watching. That GAME so

2755
02:17:07,560 --> 02:17:09,400
Speaker 1: i may have given a hint a way OF how

2756
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:10,960
Speaker 1: i was watching, that GAME but i always made sure

2757
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:14,640
Speaker 1: it was in my, four box EVEN the. Nfl, offerings,

2758
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:18,280
Speaker 1: right boy this was Just a christmas dud FOR. The nfl,

2759
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:23,640
Speaker 1: it all all of those games lacked a little. Something,

2760
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:26,879
Speaker 1: right obviously relevance is a big part, of it and

2761
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:29,720
Speaker 1: there Was No. Patrick mahomes right, in theory it was

2762
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:32,600
Speaker 1: supposed to Be the Cowboys and commanders fighting it out

2763
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,120
Speaker 1: for a playoff spot or, the division just like it

2764
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:36,760
Speaker 1: seemed like that could be at the beginning of. The

2765
02:17:36,760 --> 02:17:40,960
Speaker 1: season so it was a good day FOR. The NBA

2766
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:44,280
Speaker 1: as i, told you these were games, worth WATCHING and

2767
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:46,400
Speaker 1: i have to Say the. Knicks delivered that was a

2768
02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:50,240
Speaker 1: heck of. A Game, Knicks calves wemby DELIVERED as i

2769
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,400
Speaker 1: Promised you. Wemby would, and man you gotta Love Me Sam.

2770
02:17:53,400 --> 02:17:56,160
Speaker 1: Anthony edwards, you know he's the he to me is

2771
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:58,840
Speaker 1: the forgotten. Rising star he's like the guy that sort

2772
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:01,680
Speaker 1: of everybody wants to. Talk About and Yannis, and jokic

2773
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:03,600
Speaker 1: and then there's old ant That, he edwards who's kind

2774
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:06,879
Speaker 1: of an Old school he's just a, You Know Lebron

2775
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:12,800
Speaker 1: kobe jordan like player who, you know can do a

2776
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:14,720
Speaker 1: little bit. Of everything wants to be that kind. Of

2777
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:19,320
Speaker 1: player and We, forget hey don't forget. Ant man i'm

2778
02:18:19,360 --> 02:18:21,920
Speaker 1: a huge. ANT man i. Enjoy. IT man i enjoy

2779
02:18:21,959 --> 02:18:24,680
Speaker 1: watching him play basketball because it kind of feels like

2780
02:18:24,720 --> 02:18:26,920
Speaker 1: a throwback to THE game i grew up with in

2781
02:18:26,959 --> 02:18:28,960
Speaker 1: the eighties. And nineties, you know there's a there's this

2782
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:30,560
Speaker 1: sort of a style that he plays WITH that. I

2783
02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:33,920
Speaker 1: enjoy BUT the, nba delivered and you got to give

2784
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:38,440
Speaker 1: it to, them. Karma RIGHT the nfl tried to Steal It,

2785
02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 1: it's christmas and it really just. Fell flat and now

2786
02:18:43,440 --> 02:18:47,000
Speaker 1: you have so many opt outs by, THE way, i mean,

2787
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:48,560
Speaker 1: you know end up dealing with opt outs in, bowl

2788
02:18:48,600 --> 02:18:51,119
Speaker 1: games and you're dealing with, you know teams that. Are

2789
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:53,720
Speaker 1: deciding are we using this to try to see which

2790
02:18:53,720 --> 02:18:56,360
Speaker 1: players we want? To keep, you know and we're seeing the.

2791
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:58,240
Speaker 1: Same thing and this one was this is a warning

2792
02:18:58,240 --> 02:19:01,080
Speaker 1: the college football if you choose to go to twenty,

2793
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:04,160
Speaker 1: four teams because you'll get the last week or two of,

2794
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:07,040
Speaker 1: the season you may get games that, are meaningless more

2795
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:09,880
Speaker 1: games that. Are meaningless look at all the meaningless games

2796
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:13,160
Speaker 1: now IN, the nfl like next Week. The packers they

2797
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:15,680
Speaker 1: don't even get me started In the packers situation at. The,

2798
02:19:15,720 --> 02:19:20,800
Speaker 1: MOMENT look i obviously have skin in the game As a.

2799
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:21,600
Speaker 1: PACKER fan.

2800
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:26,240
Speaker 2: I the coach.

2801
02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:30,400
Speaker 1: Frustrates me, you guys if you've learned anything from Me

2802
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:34,199
Speaker 1: is i'm obsessed with, play CALLERS and i hold play

2803
02:19:34,200 --> 02:19:37,800
Speaker 1: callers more responsible than anybody else when it comes to

2804
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:41,400
Speaker 1: my two favorite. Football Teams the universe remind, me Football

2805
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 1: the universy, remind me And The Green. Bay packers and

2806
02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:48,520
Speaker 1: here's what, frustrates, Me right, i've gone, you know soup

2807
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:51,600
Speaker 1: the nuts on my frustrations With The miami hurricane Play

2808
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:55,520
Speaker 1: Caller shannon dawson and how he does, not call does

2809
02:19:55,560 --> 02:19:58,560
Speaker 1: not game plan for the team we're playing until the.

2810
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:02,280
Speaker 1: Second half it. Drives me, it's terrible and it Has

2811
02:20:02,400 --> 02:20:05,480
Speaker 1: put miami in the situation of almost not making. THE

2812
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:09,440
Speaker 1: playoffs i really, believe that but it almost cost US

2813
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:11,920
Speaker 1: the A and. M game and it better he better

2814
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:16,600
Speaker 1: actually game plan because If The ohio state team shows

2815
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:19,560
Speaker 1: up that showed Up, AGAINST indiana mimi could beat that

2816
02:20:19,560 --> 02:20:23,640
Speaker 1: team if they actually gain plan to face that team

2817
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:26,400
Speaker 1: and don't wait until the second half to start play

2818
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:29,920
Speaker 1: calling against the actual defense, you're facing not just simply

2819
02:20:29,959 --> 02:20:34,200
Speaker 1: getting your offense offensive issues worked out to see what's

2820
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:38,280
Speaker 1: working and. What. Isn't well my complaint about lafleor Is

2821
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:41,760
Speaker 1: and this is something me and my packer buddies we've

2822
02:20:41,800 --> 02:20:45,119
Speaker 1: been talking about a lot in our. Text chain why

2823
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:47,760
Speaker 1: is It that lafloor looks like he is more dynamic

2824
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:49,960
Speaker 1: of a play Caller when willis is at quarterback Than

2825
02:20:49,959 --> 02:20:53,920
Speaker 1: When jordan love is. At quarterback and, You Know jordan, love,

2826
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:57,280
Speaker 1: games look, He wins he's got a, good record and

2827
02:20:57,360 --> 02:20:59,720
Speaker 1: you can't, you know it is never Flashy. With love

2828
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:03,360
Speaker 1: and you know it's Not Like favar rogers both were a.

2829
02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:07,320
Speaker 1: Bit more, You know love is just very careful by.

2830
02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:10,039
Speaker 1: The way that's. Pretty responsible he runs the. Offense well

2831
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:14,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't improvise. As MUCH and i think that's the

2832
02:21:14,520 --> 02:21:19,359
Speaker 1: jenesiqua that's sometimes missing from, you Know From. Jordan love apologists,

2833
02:21:19,400 --> 02:21:24,160
Speaker 1: like myself because there isn't like these, you know you

2834
02:21:24,200 --> 02:21:26,680
Speaker 1: know he does he is pretty good at sort of

2835
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:30,480
Speaker 1: when he moves around, the pocket but for, whatever reason

2836
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:36,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't like to run. As Much, and willis you

2837
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:38,600
Speaker 1: know what you see with the packers is that there,

2838
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:42,080
Speaker 1: To Me malik willis the last two weeks has looked

2839
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:45,879
Speaker 1: like a better Version Of, jalen hurts has looked like

2840
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:52,560
Speaker 1: a a Version Of lamar jackson that has succeeded in

2841
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:57,400
Speaker 1: the past right where he is comfortable run behaving like

2842
02:21:57,400 --> 02:22:00,280
Speaker 1: a running back. At, times right and he will both,

2843
02:22:00,480 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 1: you Know Both jalen Hurts. And lamar you know they

2844
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:04,959
Speaker 1: both have learned not to take as. Many hits but,

2845
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:08,680
Speaker 1: early on, you know they were running backs who could throw.

2846
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:12,879
Speaker 1: The BALL and I Think Malik wilson willis was and

2847
02:22:12,920 --> 02:22:14,160
Speaker 1: that this is why it took him a while. TO

2848
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:16,720
Speaker 1: develop i Think from liberty and et cetera said he

2849
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:19,080
Speaker 1: was really a running back who could throw the ball

2850
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:21,400
Speaker 1: and who could game plan and who could read. A

2851
02:22:21,440 --> 02:22:25,720
Speaker 1: defense and He's obviously and when you think About, where

2852
02:22:25,800 --> 02:22:28,000
Speaker 1: laflour yes he comes, from McVeigh but it's sort of That,

2853
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:33,080
Speaker 1: McVeigh shanahan The larger, shanahan tree And the shanahan tree

2854
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:36,760
Speaker 1: does like to emphasize the. Running game and it's clear

2855
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:39,720
Speaker 1: to Me that Lafleur Wishes jordan love would. Run more

2856
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:42,560
Speaker 1: and if, HE would i think he would game plan

2857
02:22:42,760 --> 02:22:46,560
Speaker 1: more that you would you would see more run RPOs

2858
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:50,280
Speaker 1: that WHERE the r was picked BEFORE the p was

2859
02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:53,720
Speaker 1: picked and the quarterback did a little bit more running than.

2860
02:22:53,720 --> 02:22:57,520
Speaker 1: He does and when, you know it's sort of when

2861
02:22:57,560 --> 02:23:02,400
Speaker 1: that system is working on. All cylinders it's when you

2862
02:23:02,440 --> 02:23:05,280
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that is willing. To run and it

2863
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:07,599
Speaker 1: does seem as if for, whatever REASON.

2864
02:23:07,320 --> 02:23:08,280
Speaker 2: And i don't.

2865
02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:11,240
Speaker 1: Know enough i'm Not a packers, beat Reporter but i'd

2866
02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:14,280
Speaker 1: love to know is? This something are We? Protecting love

2867
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:17,680
Speaker 1: we're afraid of him? Getting hurt has there? Been issues

2868
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:20,080
Speaker 1: is it like you know that they don't want him to?

2869
02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:23,920
Speaker 1: Take hits does he not want to? Take hits, you

2870
02:23:23,959 --> 02:23:27,240
Speaker 1: know we don't know the, full situation but for, whatever

2871
02:23:27,320 --> 02:23:32,400
Speaker 1: reason the play calling feels much more dynamic over the

2872
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:34,680
Speaker 1: last couple of Weeks when willis has. Been there now part,

2873
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:40,920
Speaker 1: of it maybe the stakes, are lower And so lafleur

2874
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:45,720
Speaker 1: doesn't second guess himself as Much when willis is at

2875
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:49,280
Speaker 1: quarterback Than when love is. At quarterback but as, a

2876
02:23:49,320 --> 02:23:53,400
Speaker 1: fan as a fan who watches, every play there's a

2877
02:23:53,480 --> 02:23:58,240
Speaker 1: noticeable difference into how he. Calls it there's a liberation

2878
02:23:59,560 --> 02:24:03,199
Speaker 1: in the play. CALLING decisions i feel Like that lafleur

2879
02:24:03,320 --> 02:24:07,000
Speaker 1: Makes when willis, is there Then when love, Is there and,

2880
02:24:09,480 --> 02:24:12,600
Speaker 1: you know look for All the packer fans that have

2881
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed the way the offenses look these last two Weeks

2882
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:17,680
Speaker 1: and i'm one. Of them i'm also mindful they lost

2883
02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:21,000
Speaker 1: the last. Two games first one was a freak way,

2884
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:26,600
Speaker 1: to lose and, you Know the ravens GAME was i.

2885
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:29,560
Speaker 1: DON'T know, i, mean Clearly Losing kenny clark in the

2886
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:33,080
Speaker 1: Trade Of micah parsons matters. A Lot If michaeh parsons,

2887
02:24:33,080 --> 02:24:36,480
Speaker 1: gets hurt we have nobody to stuff. The run and,

2888
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:38,600
Speaker 1: MY god, i mean it Looked Like derek henry was

2889
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:41,640
Speaker 1: back in. High school it was just ridiculous that he

2890
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:43,920
Speaker 1: got over one. Hundred yards and so it doesn't matter

2891
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:45,879
Speaker 1: what you do on offense if you can't stop the

2892
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:51,560
Speaker 1: run on. That front SO but i, go back that's

2893
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:54,080
Speaker 1: THE question, i have and that's the question we're going,

2894
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:57,440
Speaker 1: to see. YOU know, I mean I assume wellis plays

2895
02:24:57,440 --> 02:25:01,039
Speaker 1: again in the final week because the have no reason.

2896
02:25:01,080 --> 02:25:04,039
Speaker 1: To play i'm a little Concerned About jordan love rust

2897
02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:07,280
Speaker 1: for what. It's worth so maybe let's treat it like

2898
02:25:07,320 --> 02:25:10,039
Speaker 1: a third preseason game where maybe he plays for a

2899
02:25:10,120 --> 02:25:13,520
Speaker 1: quarter and then you Bring. In willis be, careful there

2900
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:19,160
Speaker 1: but there's SOMETHING off i think in the Relationship Between

2901
02:25:19,240 --> 02:25:21,760
Speaker 1: jordan love and the floor that that is that is

2902
02:25:21,800 --> 02:25:25,119
Speaker 1: a that would be A theory i would PURSUE if

2903
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:27,879
Speaker 1: i Were a packers. Beat reporter do are they not as?

2904
02:25:27,879 --> 02:25:31,720
Speaker 1: In sync why does the offense look more Dynamic when

2905
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:36,080
Speaker 1: willis is? Running it it's just, A fact. It's true

2906
02:25:36,440 --> 02:25:38,560
Speaker 1: is it just as Simple as willis is willing to

2907
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:42,640
Speaker 1: run and Love isn't is it different? Play calling is

2908
02:25:42,680 --> 02:25:47,160
Speaker 1: it different RPOs that? He's given is, it SIMPLY like,

2909
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:52,360
Speaker 1: I said willis playing for. A job. I'm curious, you

2910
02:25:52,400 --> 02:25:58,320
Speaker 1: know he's not at. A contract Do the packers get anything?

2911
02:25:58,400 --> 02:26:01,959
Speaker 1: For HIM if i Were The miami Dolphin and mike,

2912
02:26:02,040 --> 02:26:05,680
Speaker 1: McDaniel Stays malik willis would be an incredible quarterback. For

2913
02:26:05,720 --> 02:26:09,800
Speaker 1: them he could be the guy that unlocks, that team

2914
02:26:10,160 --> 02:26:11,800
Speaker 1: that offense in a way that two and never could

2915
02:26:11,879 --> 02:26:15,360
Speaker 1: unlock because that was a case where they couldn't use

2916
02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:18,480
Speaker 1: they couldn't have to run. The ball but if You get,

2917
02:26:18,480 --> 02:26:21,480
Speaker 1: mike McDaniel who was remember a run game, coordinator first

2918
02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:24,880
Speaker 1: and he's essentially wants to be a run, first team

2919
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:27,640
Speaker 1: And the dolphins have been a bit more competitive when

2920
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:30,440
Speaker 1: they've just decided to screw it with, Tow him let's

2921
02:26:30,440 --> 02:26:32,560
Speaker 1: be a run. First, team well what If That's malik

2922
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:38,480
Speaker 1: willis back There with Devon a chain And Oli Oli.

2923
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:42,160
Speaker 1: Gordon jr and You Have, jalen waddell and you have

2924
02:26:42,200 --> 02:26:45,360
Speaker 1: a couple of those, good receivers and you have a

2925
02:26:45,400 --> 02:26:46,840
Speaker 1: Mean leak willis that can also run.

2926
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:47,359
Speaker 2: The ball.

2927
02:26:49,160 --> 02:26:52,320
Speaker 1: As a, packer fan Can the packers get first? Or

2928
02:26:52,360 --> 02:26:54,640
Speaker 1: second can they at least get a second round pick? For?

2929
02:26:54,760 --> 02:26:56,480
Speaker 2: Him uh in this.

2930
02:26:56,520 --> 02:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Day and age OF, the nfl do you want to

2931
02:26:58,840 --> 02:27:02,480
Speaker 1: pay a backup court back reasonable money to keep? Them

2932
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:05,119
Speaker 1: around given this is now two years in a row

2933
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:07,800
Speaker 1: Where the packers have had to play meaningful games with a. Backup,

2934
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:10,760
Speaker 1: Quarterback right these are all questions That the packers have

2935
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:16,320
Speaker 1: to decide in the. Off season but it's interesting there,

2936
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:20,360
Speaker 1: all right a few storylines for the upcoming quarterfinals Of

2937
02:27:20,360 --> 02:27:23,879
Speaker 1: The College. Football, playoff obviously You've Got Miami. VERSIO state

2938
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:26,160
Speaker 1: i love that my FRIENDS at espn are promoting the.

2939
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:29,880
Speaker 1: Historic nature the last time they met when stakes were,

2940
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:34,640
Speaker 1: this high was when a controversial flag was thrown By

2941
02:27:34,920 --> 02:27:37,200
Speaker 1: a big twelve official by the Name Of terry porter

2942
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:40,560
Speaker 1: calls the pass interference That Handed jim Trussell And ohio

2943
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:43,160
Speaker 1: state their first. National Title For, ohio state it was

2944
02:27:43,160 --> 02:27:46,800
Speaker 1: their first national title in over thirty years at the

2945
02:27:46,840 --> 02:27:50,560
Speaker 1: time and essentially jump, started there brought their program back to.

2946
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:54,560
Speaker 1: Elite status without that Victory, over miami you know that

2947
02:27:54,680 --> 02:27:57,879
Speaker 1: if they lose, that game they was, Scandal ridden tressell

2948
02:27:57,959 --> 02:28:01,000
Speaker 1: was kind of driven out that whole the backle with

2949
02:28:00,760 --> 02:28:04,160
Speaker 1: their big freshmen at. The time, you know all. Of

2950
02:28:04,200 --> 02:28:07,039
Speaker 1: That ohia state may never Be The ohio state we

2951
02:28:07,160 --> 02:28:11,520
Speaker 1: know of today without that controversial ending to, that game

2952
02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:16,200
Speaker 1: where if they just are another Hurdle in miami's drive

2953
02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:20,240
Speaker 1: to be the greatest greatest of, their GENERATION which i

2954
02:28:20,440 --> 02:28:25,800
Speaker 1: still think they probably have atod pretty good case for

2955
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:28,240
Speaker 1: that back to back would have cemented it in a

2956
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:30,920
Speaker 1: way that would have. Been, different right even though that

2957
02:28:30,959 --> 02:28:34,680
Speaker 1: one team is considered an, all time that entire entity

2958
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:36,720
Speaker 1: WOULD be i think it would be An elevated there

2959
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:39,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be a debate WITH the lsu twenty. Nineteen

2960
02:28:39,800 --> 02:28:43,959
Speaker 1: team but what it Did For, ohio, State Right ohio

2961
02:28:43,959 --> 02:28:46,160
Speaker 1: state hadn't won a national title in over, thirty years

2962
02:28:46,200 --> 02:28:50,160
Speaker 1: hadn't had always been a wanna be, never really, you

2963
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:52,440
Speaker 1: know it'd always been sort of the, rung below kind

2964
02:28:52,480 --> 02:28:55,280
Speaker 1: of Like where wisconsin football had been sitting for the

2965
02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:58,240
Speaker 1: last twenty, five years, so close but can't quite make

2966
02:28:58,320 --> 02:29:01,240
Speaker 1: that next SLEEP where i Would argue oregon football is,

2967
02:29:01,480 --> 02:29:04,480
Speaker 1: at right which, is boy they seem to be with the,

2968
02:29:04,520 --> 02:29:06,440
Speaker 1: big boys but they when are they ever going to?

2969
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:08,120
Speaker 1: Break through are they ever going to actually win? A

2970
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,439
Speaker 1: title can they ever actually? Break through.

2971
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:14,080
Speaker 2: And so there's some fun.

2972
02:29:14,120 --> 02:29:17,039
Speaker 1: Storyline There The big ten has a lot on, the,

2973
02:29:17,080 --> 02:29:23,280
Speaker 1: Line right i'm if you told me All Three big

2974
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:26,840
Speaker 1: ten teams lost, This Weekend i'll State, To miami Indiana,

2975
02:29:26,840 --> 02:29:31,240
Speaker 1: to Alabama and Oregon To. Texas, tech right there's the

2976
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:34,080
Speaker 1: only other Game Is Georgia ole miss which Has No

2977
02:29:34,120 --> 02:29:40,280
Speaker 1: big ten team. In it what's, the, Narrative right i'm, Just,

2978
02:29:40,320 --> 02:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Saying look i'm not. Predicting anything and, you Know The

2979
02:29:43,879 --> 02:29:47,000
Speaker 1: big ten's fan BASE is, i think second. To none

2980
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:51,000
Speaker 1: they have. Terrific fans you know they'll they'll sell out

2981
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:55,920
Speaker 1: stadiums for eight and, Four teams so kudos. TO them

2982
02:29:56,640 --> 02:29:58,640
Speaker 1: i just think it's a storyline that's sitting. Out there

2983
02:29:58,760 --> 02:30:01,119
Speaker 1: i'm obviously very Bullish and iamy's ability To Beat. OHIO

2984
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:05,040
Speaker 1: state I Think. TEXAS tech I think oregon is. MUCH

2985
02:30:05,080 --> 02:30:08,600
Speaker 1: softer i don't THINK they've i am not impressed With who. Oregon's, Beat,

2986
02:30:08,680 --> 02:30:11,880
Speaker 1: yet look They Beat. Texas tech i'm not going to

2987
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:14,200
Speaker 1: be a. Doubter Anymore but i'm a DOUBTER until i

2988
02:30:14,200 --> 02:30:17,720
Speaker 1: see them play a team that CAN physically, i think

2989
02:30:18,959 --> 02:30:21,640
Speaker 1: bully them in. A way they haven't. Faced yet they

2990
02:30:21,640 --> 02:30:24,840
Speaker 1: Didn't Face ohio state, this year they Didn't, face michigan

2991
02:30:24,879 --> 02:30:28,360
Speaker 1: they didn't face the More Physical big. Ten, teams well we.

2992
02:30:28,480 --> 02:30:32,640
Speaker 1: Shall see Maybe maybe indiana, does count is That maybe iowa.

2993
02:30:32,680 --> 02:30:35,400
Speaker 1: Does count but look at the struggles they Had with Indiana,

2994
02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:38,960
Speaker 1: and iowa who are built more Physically than. Oregon IS

2995
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:41,800
Speaker 1: so i HAVE some i have some. Suspicion there and

2996
02:30:41,800 --> 02:30:43,800
Speaker 1: then of course there's the THE question i Have In

2997
02:30:43,800 --> 02:30:47,360
Speaker 1: indiana alabama is you know you have the Whole hot,

2998
02:30:47,480 --> 02:30:49,480
Speaker 1: you know there used to be there was a bit

2999
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:54,480
Speaker 1: of A the it seemed as if we went through

3000
02:30:54,480 --> 02:30:57,440
Speaker 1: a period in the eighties and nineties where the team

3001
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:00,240
Speaker 1: With The heisman trophy candidate usually lost their if they

3002
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:03,440
Speaker 1: were playing a meaningful, little game usually lost and the, assumption,

3003
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:06,039
Speaker 1: was well the player wasn't around. As much they were

3004
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:08,680
Speaker 1: basically on the. Banquet circuit because if you Win The,

3005
02:31:08,680 --> 02:31:11,040
Speaker 1: heisman trophy it also means you likely Win a davy

3006
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:13,360
Speaker 1: O'Brien or you win the and there's all these, awards

3007
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:16,880
Speaker 1: ceremonies and yes, they've consolidated it's somewhat into. One thing

3008
02:31:17,480 --> 02:31:20,800
Speaker 1: but you're doing you're making more money than you've ever

3009
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:24,400
Speaker 1: made at, any time and, appearance fees maybe you're starting,

3010
02:31:24,480 --> 02:31:27,560
Speaker 1: a business maybe you're doing all sorts. Of stuff so

3011
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:31,920
Speaker 1: you have the distraction issue that, is that never mind

3012
02:31:31,959 --> 02:31:34,640
Speaker 1: the overall distraction that every players are facing with the

3013
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:38,760
Speaker 1: portal being portal door opens two days After the, miami

3014
02:31:38,800 --> 02:31:41,680
Speaker 1: game one day After the january, first games which is

3015
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:43,800
Speaker 1: what's leading a lot of people to assume That ole

3016
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:47,840
Speaker 1: miss gets just Hammered by georgia because half those players

3017
02:31:47,879 --> 02:31:51,360
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what hour they should SIGN

3018
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:54,360
Speaker 1: with lsu to transfer From ole MISS to lsu And Follow.

3019
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:59,560
Speaker 1: Lane kiffin so the two QUESTION marks i Have In.

3020
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:01,920
Speaker 1: Alabama indiana One is Kaylen de bor is a great, Game,

3021
02:32:01,959 --> 02:32:07,000
Speaker 1: planner okay and you can't deny that he's not. The guy,

3022
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:09,879
Speaker 1: You know alabama is better in bigger games than they

3023
02:32:09,879 --> 02:32:13,280
Speaker 1: are in. Smaller GAMES so i, you know and you

3024
02:32:13,320 --> 02:32:17,280
Speaker 1: Look at Kaylen de bor's record in playoffs at lower

3025
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:21,680
Speaker 1: levels how he handled big Games at, washington right it

3026
02:32:21,959 --> 02:32:28,880
Speaker 1: did seem as they he was a. Game planner indiana

3027
02:32:28,920 --> 02:32:32,560
Speaker 1: has some significant injuries, on defense including the one where

3028
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:34,800
Speaker 1: they lost. The lineman thanks to their celebration Of The big,

3029
02:32:34,840 --> 02:32:39,640
Speaker 1: ten game that's not an. Insignificant loss so And The,

3030
02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:43,120
Speaker 1: rose bowl, you know this is the Biggest stage indiana's ever.

3031
02:32:43,160 --> 02:32:45,480
Speaker 1: Played on now we're going to keep saying that right

3032
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:48,000
Speaker 1: wherever stage, they are it's the biggest stage because and,

3033
02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:51,520
Speaker 1: you know look when you're when you're knocking on the

3034
02:32:51,560 --> 02:32:58,000
Speaker 1: door of the, elite Club, Right, indiana, oregon right you certain. Certain,

3035
02:32:58,480 --> 02:33:01,560
Speaker 1: Entities already alabama lose and it won't matter to their long.

3036
02:33:01,640 --> 02:33:04,879
Speaker 1: Term legacy indiana loses and suddenly. Is out they couldn't

3037
02:33:04,879 --> 02:33:07,200
Speaker 1: play with the big boys. Right up the first time

3038
02:33:07,240 --> 02:33:09,480
Speaker 1: they FACE an, sec opponent look what happens. To them

3039
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:13,960
Speaker 1: so the pressure's More. In indiana alabama's playing with, house

3040
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:16,640
Speaker 1: money just like the pressure's More In. Ohio state miami's

3041
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:20,280
Speaker 1: playing with. House money the pressure's MORE on i Think

3042
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:23,000
Speaker 1: On texas tech In The texas tech organ game for what,

3043
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:26,199
Speaker 1: it's worth Because the, big, twelve right, You know miami

3044
02:33:26,240 --> 02:33:29,360
Speaker 1: got its win to prove. It Belong The big twelve

3045
02:33:29,360 --> 02:33:32,240
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten its WIN. By us Win Over georgia tech

3046
02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:35,320
Speaker 1: is not the same As As texas tech Knocking, off

3047
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:40,400
Speaker 1: oregon AND will I Think texas tech is on. THE

3048
02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:44,600
Speaker 1: level i, Really do but you got to see. It

3049
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:48,160
Speaker 1: right they're knocking on the door and they, went in

3050
02:33:48,520 --> 02:33:50,440
Speaker 1: and the Winner Of Texas tech oregon has a better

3051
02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:53,560
Speaker 1: shot of getting letting in the door than the, loser.

3052
02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:57,720
Speaker 1: Does obviously And Then GEORGIA olemiss i THINK the, i

3053
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:01,359
Speaker 1: THINK oh, I am i am betting That that georgia

3054
02:34:01,480 --> 02:34:04,200
Speaker 1: just sort of. Smokes them and it has more to

3055
02:34:04,280 --> 02:34:09,080
Speaker 1: do with Distracted ole miss players than it is debating

3056
02:34:09,080 --> 02:34:12,119
Speaker 1: whether one side is better than. THE other i just think, it's,

3057
02:34:12,120 --> 02:34:15,560
Speaker 1: Simply uh george is better. In general and you're going

3058
02:34:15,640 --> 02:34:17,640
Speaker 1: to have half of The old miss team thinking about

3059
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:21,039
Speaker 1: it's uh how much money they're gonna get PAID. At

3060
02:34:21,080 --> 02:34:27,960
Speaker 1: lsu so. WE'LL see i am awfully CONFIDENT If i

3061
02:34:27,959 --> 02:34:30,920
Speaker 1: i'll SAY where i am either blindly loyal to my

3062
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:38,080
Speaker 1: my Homies In coral GABLES or i am right, about

3063
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:40,480
Speaker 1: this and THAT is i think the point spread on

3064
02:34:40,520 --> 02:34:44,119
Speaker 1: this is just ridiculous. And ABSURD and I think this

3065
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:48,320
Speaker 1: gets it to. How perception, You, know again a point

3066
02:34:48,320 --> 02:34:52,959
Speaker 1: spread doesn't indicate whether these teams. Are close it's how

3067
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:57,000
Speaker 1: the public. Regards them and there is a Belief That

3068
02:34:57,040 --> 02:35:02,400
Speaker 1: ohio state is a juggernaut And the miami it can

3069
02:35:02,440 --> 02:35:05,320
Speaker 1: all fall apart at, any, moment right and it's all about,

3070
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:09,520
Speaker 1: recency Bias and miami has fall has not met. The

3071
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:13,560
Speaker 1: MOMENT although i would argue That the miami teams in

3072
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:15,440
Speaker 1: the last ten years wouldn't have WON that A and,

3073
02:35:15,560 --> 02:35:18,240
Speaker 1: m game this team. Seems different we're going to find

3074
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Out Against. Ohio state but that's that nine and a half.

3075
02:35:22,920 --> 02:35:25,959
Speaker 1: POINT spread i just don't. BUY it i don't think

3076
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:28,440
Speaker 1: that game this. Game is if it's more than, One

3077
02:35:28,480 --> 02:35:31,440
Speaker 1: score i'd. BE surprised i think it's going to be another.

3078
02:35:32,040 --> 02:35:35,160
Speaker 1: SLOW game i think it's going to be, another grinder

3079
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:40,400
Speaker 1: particularly in the. First HALF and i will, SAY this

3080
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:45,000
Speaker 1: i Don't think miami Wins If ohio state scores more

3081
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:48,400
Speaker 1: than twenty. FOUR points i don't Know if miami can

3082
02:35:48,400 --> 02:35:52,400
Speaker 1: score thirty one or twenty seven or. TWENTY eight i

3083
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:54,280
Speaker 1: Think if miami wins, this game it's because they win

3084
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:57,199
Speaker 1: the game twenty four to twenty twenty four, to seventeen twenty.

3085
02:35:57,240 --> 02:36:02,000
Speaker 1: To seventeen you See where. I'm going that's that's my expectation.

3086
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:07,520
Speaker 1: On That but i'll Tell you i'll SAY what i said.

3087
02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:11,280
Speaker 1: IT there i do think it's about time look to

3088
02:36:11,440 --> 02:36:14,200
Speaker 1: just let. Her rip you're going to have to if

3089
02:36:14,200 --> 02:36:17,440
Speaker 1: we fall behind by. TEN points i want, to see,

3090
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:21,440
Speaker 1: you Know Let carson beck live or die, with him

3091
02:36:21,879 --> 02:36:24,760
Speaker 1: don't try to protect. Him ANYMORE and i still think

3092
02:36:24,760 --> 02:36:28,360
Speaker 1: there's too much play calling that's done to protect rather

3093
02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:33,120
Speaker 1: than simply to let the chips fall where. They May, All,

3094
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:38,280
Speaker 1: Right um, i've GOT like, i said, coming up we'll

3095
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:40,920
Speaker 1: have one more drop. THIS week i got a couple

3096
02:36:40,920 --> 02:36:44,400
Speaker 1: of what IFS that i am doing based on, your

3097
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:47,640
Speaker 1: feedback two pretty. Big Ones one i've already told You

3098
02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:50,320
Speaker 1: that i'm gonna do about twenty What if trump wins

3099
02:36:50,360 --> 02:36:52,080
Speaker 1: a twenty. Twenty election i'm actually going to put two

3100
02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:55,160
Speaker 1: different what ifs into the same. Episode there i'm also

3101
02:36:55,240 --> 02:36:57,600
Speaker 1: going to Do a powerhouse. Mail bag we're going to

3102
02:36:57,640 --> 02:37:01,160
Speaker 1: go forty five minutes full. Just, question so by, the

3103
02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:03,200
Speaker 1: way if you're listening now and you want to get

3104
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:05,959
Speaker 1: a question in under the under the under.

3105
02:37:05,800 --> 02:37:06,400
Speaker 2: The deadline.

3106
02:37:06,920 --> 02:37:11,280
Speaker 1: Submit asap so, with that thanks for, your support thanks,

3107
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