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Speaker 2: All my life, grinding all my life, Sacri Fights, hustle Bag, Pricon,

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 3: am your host, Sheddon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of

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Speaker 3: Club Sha Shay. Stopping bout for conversation or a drink

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Speaker 3: today if an NFL con He's a Cowboys legend, one

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Speaker 3: He's an All Decade member of the nineteen nineties. He

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Speaker 3: Sports Hall of Famer, Texas Sports Hall of Famer. He

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Speaker 3: He's a father, a husband, a brother, a son, and

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Speaker 3: a great great friend. Here he is, Ladies and gentlemen

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Speaker 3: to play.

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Speaker 4: Baby.

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Speaker 1: That's Shawn her God, that's all you. That's all your

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Speaker 1: white waves. Wanted an intro like that, man, But that

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Speaker 1: really means you getting old, Louise. You start getting all

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Speaker 1: hear it. You'll get to hear. Are you know? Normally

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Speaker 1: when they give you one like that, you don't know

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Speaker 1: that one set of flowers, here's what you need to hear.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's on top of your green at the same time. Hey,

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I got my own cognac. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you you partake. But it's early today,

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Speaker 3: it's about it's about six o'clock. Man, it's good time.

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Speaker 1: It's good time, about time, you know, hey, And we

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Speaker 1: don't put it into work. Shit, yeah, we canna stop

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Speaker 1: early if we won't and do a klangnac. We canna

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Speaker 1: that that real stuff that ship out the real talk,

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Speaker 1: that real. That's all right man. Yeah, how's that doing.

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Speaker 1: How's the business doing? Really well? We're doing really well.

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Speaker 1: Were coming to dollars? Man. That's great man, That is

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Speaker 1: great right there, buddy, I appreciate that. Great man. How

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Speaker 1: you being, Mike. I'm doing great, Shannon. I am absolutely

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I saw you at the hall,

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Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, that that was funny, man, But

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Speaker 3: When I go back and I look at you, you

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Speaker 1: Who? Basketball was my first love? Basketball was my first love.

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Speaker 1: Iut be straight with you and honest with you. I know,

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Speaker 1: forty seven on in practice and you be catching them ball,

428
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: your little big seven forty seven, catching that thing about

429
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: the landing, the ins on with a person picked landing,

430
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: I was said, yeah, that was just saying. I swear

431
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: I was say yeah, for all of a sudden, that

432
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: forty seven little Chris to gain. I'm trying to get

433
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: a job. If the head coach seeming like the seven

434
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: forty seven. I said, yeah. I was like, okay, man

435
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: with a few years later, we get here and we

436
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: were having a drink after we did something. I was

437
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: with coach. He said, Michael, I can't believe you bout

438
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: that story. So what story, coach? That forty seventh story?

439
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: I say you thirty dollars you y'all was in the

440
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: down head. Y'all was in the down saying, yeah, y'all

441
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: is staying up wide and split out. Y'all was in

442
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: the downstairs. I was. I was just back at Miami

443
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: the other day and we were talking about that. Dude. Uh,

444
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: Mike Rumpnam coming up to me cause we always argue

445
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: about who's the best to one O one team? Yeah,

446
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: uh the eighty seven one championship team and ninety one

447
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: championships all the championship team and he was like, boy,

448
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: you could got me and no three points there. I said, dog,

449
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: it's impossible to jam of a receiver coming about that

450
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: three point stand. It's impossible. It's impossible. So so yeah,

451
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why receivers do it today. I don't

452
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: know why they stand up. So like, dude, it's it's

453
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: if you had. If they had, well, there's just nowhere

454
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: you would have to get down. You gotta get down

455
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: to get back because there the cornerbacks came back to

456
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks, I had to go through Dion Sanders, Darryl Green,

457
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Rod Woodson, Champ Bailey, Ania's Ania's William and now the

458
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: other guy just got in, Eric Galla. All of those

459
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: guys went everywhere I went on the football field, and

460
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: when they tried, they tucked me in at night and

461
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: handed him in the toilet paper when I was sunk

462
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: and needed to wipe. They went everywhere with you. So

463
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: I always said I went through gold jackets to get

464
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: to my gold rings. And it was a different time

465
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: back then, the cornerbacks was real.

466
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Speaker 3: Why did you tell the Packers not to draft you?

467
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: Because they had the seventh pick they ended up taking

468
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: my brother.

469
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: I heard, I heard, I heard he saw him telling

470
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, that they were gonna drive me. He's right,

471
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: they were. They called me because I was a junior,

472
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: like I was graduating early, right I had back when

473
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: you were coming out back then you had to graduate

474
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: to go to school, go to the draft early. But

475
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: it gave me control over the draft. So if somebody

476
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: calls me and I didn't want to go. I can

477
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: decline I'm going back to school. And that's what I

478
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: just wanted control. I wanted my I was directed towards,

479
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, uh, somewhere on the West coast in New York.

480
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: I really just wanted to be in Dallas. You know,

481
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: it's always wanted to be in Dallas. So I was

482
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: trying to work my way. I had saw Bernie Kolesar

483
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: work his way to Cleveland. Yeah, remember sophomore it was

484
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: a supplemental draft, So I was just trying to Yeah.

485
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: So when they called, I'm sitting there, we ain't got

486
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: a dime. It's the seventh pick, it's seventeen seventeen, brother, right,

487
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: and they all looking like, oh we.

488
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: Rich yet like no, you go you right right?

489
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: Stopped back up Bago right. So yeah, they were funny, man.

490
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: But then I.

491
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 6: Started thinking, hoo hoo, hoo hooo. You know the weatherwise,

492
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 6: coming from Florida going to Green Bay and not just

493
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 6: weather in temperature, whether.

494
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: You got Chicago, that's all that. All that ideas just no.

495
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: And North Turner, who was with the Rams at the time,

496
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: had spent that draft with me, nor the Rams were

497
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: gonna draft me at fourteen. Nor was there with me.

498
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: They took Aaron Cox, Yeah, because the Cowboys took me

499
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: and left. Yeah, and Noah was so disappointed, and Nor

500
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: went back. And then it was so funny after you know,

501
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: a couple of years here, they Dave Shuolter, the office

502
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: coordinator we had here, He was like, we should trade Michael,

503
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: and Jimmy was you know, they were talking about trading

504
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: me because they had come up coming off with my

505
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: knee surgery and and and Jimmy came to me. He said, listen,

506
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: the guy pulling the trigger, I don't think you can

507
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: do it anymore. And he said, uh, I've had way

508
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: more success with you than I've had with him. I'm

509
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna let him go and get your offensive coordinator hit

510
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: this thing going. And that's what they brought in.

511
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: They brought the nerve Nor on it because Nor was

512
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: that with Erniest MPSA damps.

513
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: So everything here at Ella. I thought it was good.

514
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: And let me tell you how Nor got me dg

515
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: We came here. It was March right soon they tied Uch,

516
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm coming off the a C L right, you know,

517
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: so on my head it's like Okay, can I play again?

518
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm going through this, dude. I ain't never been through

519
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: anything like I went through with the A C L.

520
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: That took me through something. I don't know if I

521
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: can play. He take us out in March. He said,

522
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: let's go. I want to see you running this bang eight.

523
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: I said, what's the bank a? He said, four steps

524
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: that one leg. I'm gonna put it on you right there.

525
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I said, okay, let's let's go on it. You know,

526
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: we go out. We ran the first two routes. He said,

527
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: bonly what they told me. That's plenty speed for me

528
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: to make sure you catch that thing, mate. Yeah, is

529
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: it gonna be and skin it? I mean, did he

530
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: start putting the game? Playing together? Man? Nor Nor was

531
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: our blessing for all of us. Yeah, he put he

532
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: put in it in the right way, right place to win.

533
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: He put Troy in the right place to win, and

534
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: and that just made it made it great. And it

535
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: was so funny that he spent it was with me

536
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: on the drivet. They tried to get me before, so

537
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: so it all worked out. It definitely worked out.

538
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: I hear you talking about in the America. What is

539
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: the America's team America, the Gambler and the Cowboys Gambler

540
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: and the you're talking about how difficult that first Super

541
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: Bowl was, says all the ones, that was the toughest

542
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 3: to win it.

543
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, why was that one so tough? And it was

544
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: the most gratifying, Yes, because it's it's right up against

545
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: all the hard work. It's right up against the three

546
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: and thirteen my first year, one in fifteen, my second year,

547
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: and and it's the turn. It's I'm coming from Miami

548
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: and I know what it tastes doing and I'm seeing,

549
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, to lose it right and I'm not. And

550
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, what's going on?

551
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 4: Man?

552
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: And I got here, I thought this is it. It's

553
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: the best right here, you know what I mean. But

554
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: then you get in the league you find out some

555
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: of these jokes about money, it ain't about being the best.

556
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, I got I couldn't take that,

557
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Like like right now. I was talking about it because

558
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: I talked with him today and I was like, man,

559
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: Jerry knew I couldn't. I couldn't hold out. I couldn't

560
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: hold out as long as I have held out or

561
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: stayed away. Was the Wednesday before the first game or me,

562
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go play. You know that I gotta go play.

563
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: You know. It's just that, Yeah, they know that they

564
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: use it against me, you against me about don't worry

565
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: about it, right right right. But I wasn't playing on

566
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: going nowhere either because remember now, I had my plan

567
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: from the jump Street that I was cause I knew

568
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some back, some back in. But I

569
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: was making sure my back he ain't gonna be good,

570
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be right here, you know what I'm saying.

571
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: And that's what you got to consider that. Michael has

572
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: to consider that. You know, Michael, you you get opportunity

573
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: right now, You're gonna get the highest paid guarantee, all

574
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: of those things. Everybody said, well, don't are you gonna

575
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: risk a million dollars here, two million dollars a year here,

576
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: and and and you got another one hundred million dollar

577
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: podcast that's only gonna be a hundred million dollars podcast

578
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: if you were the Hoos, right, it's not a hundred

579
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: million dollar podcast if you with somebody else. True, So

580
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: that the whole gathering, Michael has to see you a

581
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: whole You ain't no business man. You're a whole business,

582
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: right man, and make sure all of your entities up

583
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: under that umbrella cover. It is going to be taken

584
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: care of. And that podcast has to have a start

585
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: that you mentioned that.

586
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: Have you talked to Michael about that, like one minute, like, Michael,

587
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: what can't what can't you do with forty one, forty two,

588
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: forty three million that you could only do with forty

589
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: six million.

590
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's that's logic, and that's that's our world.

591
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: That's our world. That their world is not the world

592
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: of logic like that. It's it's it's it's social media,

593
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the world. Gonna know, I mean, I'm

594
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: only making forty one and he making forty three. And

595
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Michael, like this, but this is what

596
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: this is the generation. This is why when when when

597
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: we're disappointed, we're gonna scrub and all of them do it.

598
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: Everyone in this generation with this point team, we take everything,

599
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: everything with the cowboy related or everything. Okay, it's like

600
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: a break up with your girlfriend.

601
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: You take everything, all the pictures that you got, will

602
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: go back by five.

603
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: You go where that comes from? You know, I don't

604
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: really start from like tell y'all, hey, I ain't taking

605
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: all my money off shit. You understand what. I ain't

606
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: taking all my money off net. That's what I'm telling y'all.

607
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know where you get that from.

608
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: So that's what's the difference, Like do you? I mean,

609
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna matter right, and a lot of people

610
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: won't even see it. It'll just be somewhere in the

611
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: officer sometimes somebody said bring it up, but it won't

612
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: be every day. You got to hear everybody's opinion that

613
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: you took a million dollars less? Did you see what's

614
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: going on with Roger Jackson? Roger Jackson? I saw him

615
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: the other night after he did that. I mean, I'm

616
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: tired of everybody messing with me. I'm tired of them

617
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: calling him. What do you who you mad at? These

618
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: are the people you're inviting me. You're streaming, Yes, you're streaming.

619
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: What are you doing? You're streaming? You begging these people

620
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: to come in, and then you don't like what they

621
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: say and you want to go break another dude's face

622
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: because that's just that's what that is.

623
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: Do have you ever thought about Mike what it would

624
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: have been like to play your play maker.

625
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: You playing for the Cowboy at its apex, and there's

626
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: this thing called social media? Have you ever thought about that?

627
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: But just yeah, yeah I did. I was telling somebody

628
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: this story. Man. I did that e A Sports when

629
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: he first brought in the Legends of EA Sports. I

630
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: did the appearance, and I was speaking at the EA

631
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: Sports conference and we were talking about social media and

632
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: all that. I said, Listen, I told him I was scared.

633
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: I said, I would be scared to live in today's

634
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: and playing today's time. I couldn't make it. I couldn't

635
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: make it when it was news at eleven let alone

636
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: talked about Twitter every second had the six eleven o'clock.

637
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: Ain't goddamn why. I ain't got no chance. Ain't got

638
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: no chance. I'm like all these camera with the camera phone,

639
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: got it. I got a state playing, boy, I got

640
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: a state plan. Keep me playing. I'm telling you, keep

641
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: me playing, and I ain't. And you know what, Shannon,

642
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: I know that I know what's real. You know what

643
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean. I know what's real. I know what's good

644
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: for me. Now I know it's not good for me now,

645
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: like keep me busy is good? Right?

646
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: The report is that you talked to Travis Kelsey. You

647
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: had a conversation with Kevis Travis Kelce because he was

648
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: trying to do something that you guys were trying to

649
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: do with your three P.

650
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever done the three P and I believe and.

651
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna we're gonna talk about this after you asked

652
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: this question about you believe that you got if you

653
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: kept Jim, you believe you were three P?

654
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: Did you believe you? But what did you what info?

655
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: What did you tell Kelsey how to approach the season

656
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: going to the three P once they make it through

657
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: the gauntlet, to get through the season, get to get

658
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: through the playoffs and get to the super Bowl? What

659
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: did you What did you share with him?

660
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: Man? First thing I said, man was because then he asked,

661
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: first thing you go through is the disappointment of not

662
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: getting it done. And that's what I was talking to

663
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: my guys at Miami about even yesterday, Like, dude, I

664
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: don't know how other people, how are they going to

665
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: have peace at the end of it all. I mean,

666
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: I've won championships just about all levels everywhere, and I

667
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: still it's the ones that you don't win. It's not

668
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: the ones that you win. I should have gone at

669
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: that ball. I should have jumped up and if and

670
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: then it would have definitely clarified the pass interfence. But

671
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, if I can just drop it, if I

672
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: wait by, it'll drop right by. And they dropped down,

673
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna stretch the thing out and I'm gonna

674
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: hit that game winter. I wanted to be the hero.

675
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: All I had to do was get that ball, and

676
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: now we're down for and I cannot let that go.

677
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: I can't let it go. So you know, man, Yeah, man,

678
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: that's just the ones that get away. It's something that

679
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: you deal with and live with all the time.

680
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: But does the three peak change how people look at

681
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 3: Michael irvan and well or how we out Michael Irvyne

682
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: would have looked at Michel And let me tell you

683
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: that they think about it now now when you go

684
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: and get what Kansas City has done mine, Yes, it

685
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: makes it more important.

686
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: I regretted more than I didn't get it when Kansas

687
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: City or when when New England had that wrong, you

688
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: see now, because you.

689
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: Want to be I was worried about y'all. Well, we

690
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 5: didn't have no chance. Only job retire, right, right, right right,

691
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 5: you got hurt. John ain't want to retire Joe. But

692
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 5: out of that start messing around anyone. I had to

693
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 5: worry about job. Right after that that they rolled off

694
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 5: the DRM.

695
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Man, you, I don't care what they say. I want

696
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: everybody to have great, Duke great, But I just want

697
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: to leave me a little mark up. There's something it me,

698
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: something up, at least something that they can remember me

699
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Emmit like Emmitt, he's all time leading rush. Nobody's going

700
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: to get that right that nobody right right, nobody, they'll

701
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: get that record. I just want something to leave leave

702
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: up there for me. Have the Chiefs taken over America's team,

703
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: because you see what happened yesterday, Kelsey and Taylor they

704
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: get married that they're the new America team. They don't

705
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: talk over y'all, mikel and I ain't gonna go that far.

706
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm going that far on the America's team, but they

707
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: are those two is America's dream couple. I'll give that

708
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: those two right now, America dreams. And I'm gonna tell

709
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: you and say, listen, I said this openly. Travis Kelsey.

710
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: I love him more than anybody international football. He's a

711
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: major that's my dude. That's what he is, genuine he

712
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: being a dude. Man, let me tell you why this

713
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: is my dude. You know, we were at that one

714
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: of this Pro Bowls. I was coaching the Pro Bowl,

715
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, and he that was one of his early

716
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, and he was coming. You got drafting, might

717
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: the drafting. Don't leave maut there because he's a wordy,

718
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: younger guy. He said, keep me up, Ben, they gonna

719
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: let you down. I said, come on, yo, buck, you're

720
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: a young buck by your time at the time, you know,

721
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: you go to drift. Do we leave me out here?

722
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: And I did draft and I did draft. But he

723
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: was so good and my son played tight end and

724
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: my son plays tight end, but he was, man, he

725
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: was so good with my son and he didn't have

726
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: to be, you know, and he really took care of him.

727
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: I was like, now that's a different dude. I just

728
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I just appreciate him. And ever since then we've been

729
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: so close. But I was telling him, man, listen, don't

730
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: let this get by you, because no matter what you've been,

731
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna think about it all your life. And they

732
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: gonna think about it because they got throught. They got

733
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: they got because they wasn't They were not even close,

734
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: and they gonna think about it. But yeah, yeah, man,

735
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: he was and I love that anybody. He just won

736
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: back to back. That's what we were talking about before that.

737
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: That that's the kind of guy. You know, no matter

738
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: what he do, he gonna win. He's going to win.

739
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: And certainly now that you got, you gotta take it.

740
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: He won the fights over the fighters, over calling the career.

741
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: When you got that, when you got that signing bonus,

742
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: what was the first thing you did that that that

743
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: cowboy that first.

744
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I came from from Brokeville, Florida. Broke Brokeville, Florida,

745
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: not Brooksville. I'm from for a lot of them, but

746
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: but Brokeville, well everybody was broke, you know, dude. I

747
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: was young too, man, I was crazy, Man, I didn't

748
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: know anything that I first I went. I bought my

749
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: house too. I was so crazy. A lot of houses,

750
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: but I remember my first house I bought. Right, they

751
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: were showing me all these houses. They got this house.

752
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: I said, that's that one where they said, well, okay,

753
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: let's go look at it. And I bought that house

754
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: because it had fully at the pool and everything. But

755
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: it had a eight feet gate. Yeah, yeah, all I

756
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: knew did I don't want nobody to see me in

757
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: the pool with what I'm doing. That was the parameter

758
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: that I needed to buy my first house. You know

759
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You already know you're gonna be coming

760
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: right right, so I know I'm coming here and there.

761
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I did. Went that first check.

762
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: Let me get the car, hive me on the car.

763
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: That's my check right there, y'all. That check, a million

764
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: dollar check. I left that right there on the table,

765
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: right in my room. So soon as they walked in,

766
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: they said, that's your check. Started that, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

767
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: I had my financial people calling me talking man sitting

768
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: that check. Michael, we'll lose, and we'll lose. I said, shoot,

769
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm winning what you're talking about? I went in like

770
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: a mom Why, I said, what y'all? Hey, I'm but

771
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: it's real. It was real.

772
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: It was it's real, coming in as you mentioned, coming

773
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: from a large, large family like yours. Even though you

774
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: got a million dollars, man, when you when you how

775
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 3: to break our brothers and sisters, ain't a whole lot

776
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: left you got.

777
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: You know, you got to take care of mom and dad. Right,

778
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: I think your father passed right before you got drafted.

779
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 3: Right, you got to take care of mom. You gotta

780
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: take care of brothers and sisters like that. Ain't a

781
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: whole that ain't a whole lot leftover.

782
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but back then that was a lot of money,

783
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: by buddy. Literally really ready minute now because you get.

784
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: Somebody twenty five hundred, Well I'll get some aboudy twenty

785
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: five hundred and five thousand.

786
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: Man, I'm coming off, were coming off. This ain't coming

787
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: from where they come. These dudes now, these kids, now

788
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: they got an older I was getting twenty dollars a

789
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: weekend and mom took the first fifteen choking let meet

790
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: with five dude coming from five dollars a weekend to

791
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: getting them got to left that check right there. I

792
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: was gonna get every bit of that check. So so

793
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: so yeah, Now now here's here's the kicker to all

794
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: of us that we have to get too and and

795
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: and people have to understand making money is one thing.

796
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: How you let it go is is keeping this office

797
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: as important you know, so so especially us to specially

798
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: us because we know that so many people holding on

799
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: to the caboos that you got to bring along on

800
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: this strain.

801
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: It's never just us, right, It's never just my. It

802
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: wasn't just my. It's never just yet. You know, I

803
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: got Grandma, I got you know, my brother made it.

804
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: But you know I got Mom, I got I got

805
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: other people that's counting on me.

806
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: And it took me through that first contract to figure

807
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: out and get the understanding of financial literacy enough to

808
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: know how to best hand do that. So so to

809
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: get everything and put everything into a trust. So so

810
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: my whole family into the trust. So now when I'm

811
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: handing you money, I'm handing you money, and I'm gonna

812
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: send you tax papers, so we're handing you money now

813
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: at your tax bracket instead of me handing you money

814
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: at my tax bracket. So if I give you a

815
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: million dollars, I got to make a meal seven at

816
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: my bracket to give you a meal. You know what

817
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So now you we got to learn to

818
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: do that. So everybody in your trust, I mean we

819
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: in the we're in the Irving family dynasty skipping trust.

820
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: We ain't never paying the government nothing when we leave time,

821
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: we ain't giving yet nothing. And when I send money

822
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: to my mom. Who's who who? You know? When she

823
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: was god wrestle so and she was like, I'm not

824
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: paying at my tax bracket. These are the things that

825
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: we have to learn to make sure we stay up.

826
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: Why were you so forthcoming in the documentary? A lot

827
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: of the stuff, you know, you and I had talked about.

828
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: And I was like, when when I found out the

829
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: documentary was coming out, I was thinking to myself, how

830
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 3: forthcoming is Michael Grutty. Is he gonna be as forthcoming

831
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 3: as as.

832
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: Me and him or he gonna put that on cal

833
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be staying because you know, you're my boy

834
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: to the heart. Man, You're my boy the heart. And

835
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: even when you call me first and talk about all

836
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: the things you think I want to do, I want

837
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: you to do this with me I want to do.

838
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, shaying no, man, you know I'm

839
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: scared because listen, you guys you're talking well, watching your show,

840
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: your night cap stuff. You gotta be talking about some

841
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: stuff and this this is what I was afraid of,

842
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: right and I and I said, okay, like listen, here's

843
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: the problem. Now, I got some real dead bodies out

844
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: here here. And I don't need nobody coming up out

845
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: the grave. You're talking about me, I don't need I

846
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: don't need all these grave sites raising back up when

847
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, well I was over here with this. Well,

848
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: I don't need them girls coming up to me. Yeah

849
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: I saw that check when he was young. No, sit

850
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: your old but down. It's too late now, you know.

851
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: But but that's the kind of thing. So I was

852
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: worried about that. But the reality is, man, if you

853
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: don't share, people will receive it and put their thing

854
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: on it, right, you know what I mean, and not

855
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: get it in the way that you got it. Like

856
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: we were talking about a lot of the things we

857
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: did White House, all that stuff. That's what you can

858
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: think about the other side of it, the women and

859
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. But it was also team building

860
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and Jean Bundy, you know, and that's that's what we did,

861
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: you know. So so talking about it and getting the

862
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: stories out the correct way, correct way. It's palatable now.

863
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: It's palatable now. It wasn't palatable back then. They won't

864
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: take it now. But these kids, they got Love Island,

865
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: everybody doing everything with every body. Hey, that ain't nothing

866
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: I did. So we're good at the time when you

867
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean like you was like, man, you know what,

868
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I think this would be a good idea. You know,

869
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: let's get a spot right across from practice. It's like

870
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: anything else. It grew to that. Yeah, it grew to that.

871
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: You know we had because you're thinking about the hotel, right,

872
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: the White House was the was the was the end game.

873
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: This thing grew. It started out, you know, hotels, then

874
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: we had an apartment, and then we would do the house,

875
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, so at these spot there

876
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: were there were issues like you know, you know what

877
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: happened at the hotel, you know the hotels ordinance, and

878
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: the people came in right, and they set me up

879
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: at the hotel. You know, I'm so dumb. I got

880
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: the girls get in the room, they got the room

881
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: under their name. I'm thinking, I'm being slick, but I

882
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: won't put down my being zones. And they got play

883
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: Maker ridding all on the I'm still driving part. What

884
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: good is doing that? I'm all pull up in here

885
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: in the beings with Playmaker flashlay Maker. So it's just

886
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: because you're stupid, you don't know, you know. So so

887
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: it went from a whole the hotel a much money

888
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: we spending on the hotel. Let's just get an apartment.

889
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: And then we got an apartment. And I had an apartment,

890
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, you bring a few girls over

891
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: the apartment, and then and any things. They ain't going

892
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: right with all the girls. And they got over there

893
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: over there making all these noise and screaming. I was

894
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: going on. They kicking in the one door. I said, oh,

895
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be an apartment building. So then we

896
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: finally got a house to try to move that thing. Well,

897
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: Jerry finally find out. Leon Lett called me, dude, I'll

898
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: never forget it. And New Jack City hadn't been out

899
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: too long. We had just I had just seen the

900
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: New Jack City. And Kat called me. He said, Michael,

901
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: I'll never forgot our head to do the cave Careful,

902
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: he said, Michael, we've been infiltrated. He said, Man, I'm

903
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: telling you right now, shut down the White House, Huns Negro.

904
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: This ain't no movie. He ain't say, shut down the

905
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: card I ain't shut down the car cats. I'm telling you.

906
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. About two weeks later, I'm in meetings

907
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: and and Jerry called me and it's Winds. This installed

908
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: you know I want to be in here, like, wait

909
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: a minute, dude, we're going over the places and they

910
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: peek in the door jail. I said, I'm talking in

911
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: a minute. A minute. When when installed, I gotta make

912
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: sure they put it in the right place. Right now.

913
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: He said, no, I want to see you right now.

914
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: I said, we can't wait. He said, right, you know,

915
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: I go. And he asked me about He said, Michael,

916
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: there's a story of breaking about some house y'all got

917
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: over here, somewhere white house. I said, oh shit, I

918
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: thought about cat. I said, I should have shut down there.

919
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: You should have cut it down. You should have set

920
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: it man. He asked me about it. Who do you

921
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: know who dined it out? Yes, I do. I know,

922
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: well a few people dined it out. But yeah, yeah,

923
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: we know. We never they got out. When he asked me, though,

924
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: I ain't, I ain't no answer. Jerry, tell the story.

925
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: He said. I came in. I'm sitting there, and he said,

926
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: just be honest with me. You know I'm gonna be

927
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: with you. I'll fight for you as long as you're honest.

928
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: And I thought about it, and I just told him.

929
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: I said, boss, we we were trying to do the

930
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: wrong thing the right way, I said, even try to

931
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: do the wrong thing, you know, right, I talked through it.

932
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: I thought through it it, you know what I mean.

933
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: And it was a good plan because at first, you know,

934
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: here again we start, we're gonna park at the complex

935
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: and bring over one car, so all the cars wanted,

936
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: the whole bunch of cars now already had it at

937
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: the hotel. We got all our cars identify to a

938
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: park at the complex and come over here in one car.

939
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, as you get more and more

940
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: loose with daddy out drinking and you're coming to the club.

941
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: Pretty soon we had a whole parking lot out there,

942
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: and that that that really gave us a way. Them

943
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: old people that were living next to us say, we

944
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: will make it too much noise, That's what they were saying.

945
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, it was crazy times. Do you

946
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: remember the first time you were introduced to drugs? You know,

947
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: it's funny, it's so funny. When I went through the

948
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: thing here, uh, at the hotel, Cherry set up a

949
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: meeting with the district attorney. The name was Mike Jillette.

950
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: Private meeting. We were we that to talk about the case.

951
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: I said, to him, I said, Jerry said, man, listen.

952
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: He says, let's just let's just get this case out

953
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: the way so we can get back on the field.

954
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: And he just said, I need you go talk with

955
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: him and just be honest withn't be straight with him,

956
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: and let's see if we can get this thing, because

957
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: right now it just seems like he's after you. He's

958
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: after you. I said, okay, now, you got gotta understand now.

959
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: That night in the hotel, when when when all of

960
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: this went down, when the police came, they arrested the girl,

961
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: I went home. I went home. Now, then they hired

962
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: this new guy, Mike Gillette. The hired this new district

963
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: attorney three four months later, and he went back. Now

964
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: we're into getting ready to work for the season. He

965
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: went back and looked at the case and open it

966
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: up right, okay, and open up the case, reopened it,

967
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: he reopened all of it. He said, well, because I

968
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: didn't have him standings. You got to have standings that

969
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: mean the room was not in my name. The name

970
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: they found the things with her, so they said, okay,

971
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: we can just take her or or and let you

972
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: go if if she says it's hers and she says,

973
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: there mine, she's a good girl. She was a good girl,

974
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: and that hurts me too, to be listen. She she

975
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: really was a good girl, and and what happened with

976
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: her was just not right, you know, because I really

977
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: liked her. She was a good girl. She wasn't a dancer.

978
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: I had met her at a club, but you know,

979
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: they put her out as a prostitute. It was just

980
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: it was just wrong. So I really because she was.

981
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: I had before we went to the Super Bowl. I had,

982
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: well this the first first, you know, before we went

983
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: to the second Super Okay, no, this happened when we

984
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: got it from the third super Bowl. Okay, this happened.

985
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: We got it for thirst before we went to this,

986
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: before we went to Super Bowl, to the third super Bowl.

987
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: I you know, you get all them tickets, your tickets,

988
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: so so yeah, they did give your bolt little ticket.

989
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: I you've about thirty tickets back then by if you

990
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: get back thirty tickets back there, they cut it down.

991
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they cut it way down cause they know

992
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: you get them thirty tickets and them people out there waiting,

993
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: they'll get you three four five thousand dollars a ticket. Boy,

994
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean I had about a hundred hunted it on

995
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: me and I was we were hanging around. I said,

996
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: he listen, I pull it pill like or not. I say, hey,

997
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: go get an apartment when I come back. I do

998
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: not want to come back to these hotels, right, go

999
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: get an apartment. And and and she was like, I

1000
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: don't want to take your money like that. I was like, no, no,

1001
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: you don't think it my money to go in an

1002
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: apartment because we don't want to be in here, right,

1003
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: And and you know, I come back. And then when

1004
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: I get back after then I go, I want to

1005
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: see her. I go see her and ask her. She

1006
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: came back, she gives me back the money. I said,

1007
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: what did you do? What are you doing? Any want

1008
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: to be like that?

1009
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: You know?

1010
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: And so she was a real good girl. And then

1011
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: all of this goes down, you know. So it made

1012
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: me feel extra bad. Yeah, it made me feel extra

1013
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: bad for her man because she didn't deserve it. But

1014
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: when I was dealing with Mike, Gillette and Jerry asked

1015
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: me to go meet with them, and she took you know,

1016
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: she took it. She took it, she took it right,

1017
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: she took it. So I can go home and I

1018
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: always respect her for that, and she's just one of

1019
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: the good people. But he had me a private meeting,

1020
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: you and him, me and Gillette me and it just

1021
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: me and him, private meeting, and this joker sits down

1022
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: with me, man and he says, he says, I said,

1023
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: what's to let I'm gonna tell you what happened. I'll

1024
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. I said. Now, I got off

1025
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: an airplane because I had an autograph session show and

1026
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: I came to the hotel and you have a girl

1027
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: cleaning that that those are hers. I said, Now, I'm

1028
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: not telling you I've never brought drugs to the hotel.

1029
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you this that night I did. I

1030
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: didn't bring the drugs to the hotel, you know, trying

1031
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: to be honest and trying to persuss. Say, I'm trying

1032
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: to be honest. I'm being straight with it. His exact

1033
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: words with me, what's to me? And he jumped in early.

1034
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: He says, let me tell you what I think. He said,

1035
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: First of all, the truth is what I make it,

1036
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: and you'll find that when I get it when we

1037
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: get in the court room. And then he told me,

1038
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: I promise you, he said to me, he said, you know,

1039
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: I personally think you're a piece of ship and you're

1040
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: using your fame to take advantage of these poor white women,

1041
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: the white girls. And I'm going to put you away,

1042
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: he said, is exact word. So I'm gonna fully you

1043
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: like a fish and leave you in that alley. I

1044
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: was like, now all the Fort lawyer are coming about it. Now,

1045
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: you see talking. It was raising up when he was talking.

1046
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: I was trying to try you try to buy your live.

1047
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I just gotta I gotta run. You understand,

1048
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: this was my first case. This is my first offense.

1049
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: So I just then and then it got south. After

1050
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: that it got south. I said, let me tell you somebody,

1051
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: you little shout, a little little short dude, right said

1052
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: that said my first offense. I said, you could do

1053
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: what you want to do, but you can't give me

1054
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: any time. You give me my probation. Somebody gonna pay

1055
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: me millions to catch the football because I know how

1056
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: to do that, and you're gonna be down here broke.

1057
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: He said, Well, I'm gonna show you tomorrow when I

1058
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: have them cameras at everything here. I said, okay, I'm

1059
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: gonna show you too. That's why I water to mean, coach, holdo,

1060
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: you want to me? That's why water mean. In Dallas, Texas,

1061
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: it was ninety degree sir, you got on a four.

1062
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: You got on a four, meet me with Fasati glasses.

1063
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: And that's all they talked about. You see, that's all

1064
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: they talked about. He thought he was gonna get words

1065
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: in he wanted and he was trying to say. I

1066
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: introduced him. I went. He said, you are taking advantage

1067
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: of you. I wanted to say, what do you mean

1068
00:54:54,280 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: they gave me drugs? I ain't even know. I was here, right,

1069
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: I was. They started this, what are you saying? You know? So? Yeah, man,

1070
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: that was and I remember the two girls, the two

1071
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: girls that that that yeah here, I don't call that name. Yeah,

1072
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: and I remember them. But so the word did you

1073
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: do drugs in high school? Did you do drugs? No?

1074
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 4: No?

1075
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: And I never did any drugs during the season. I could,

1076
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: That's what I was telling everyone. We were talking about it.

1077
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: I could do. I don't know I had it. I

1078
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: could because we played until February. Right, I'm in the

1079
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: super Bowl super Bowls of February. I got I was.

1080
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: I would say, Jimmy said, let's get away. I had

1081
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: about a month in there. Yeah, this happened March fourth, March,

1082
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: fourth month, my birthday March fifth. I always had that

1083
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: one last hurra and then I'm training, and then i'm training,

1084
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: and I'm going and I don't you know, and and

1085
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: it goes and and I'm thinking, are you used to

1086
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: be looking at people like man? I can't understand why

1087
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: y'all have problems stopping. Why can't you just stop? You know?

1088
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: Because I could just stop and go play Paul and

1089
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: not worry about it. But but after I start, after

1090
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: I retired, I realized, Okay, I ain't as strong as

1091
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: I thought. It wasn't that I was strong. I was

1092
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: just switching addictions, right, you know what I mean? Football.

1093
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: I just had something to do my money, right, and

1094
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: and and if I had a real good month, I'm

1095
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna work out real hard because that's that's the year

1096
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 1: in the yang. That's just how I trained my own head.

1097
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I was like my atphone after that

1098
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: birthday because we always start training at second weaves again, yep,

1099
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: second week in March, second weekend March. So it worked

1100
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: out for me that that's what I thought worked out

1101
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: for me anyway, you know. But it's so funny though.

1102
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: That night I went to the hotel, I promise you, dude,

1103
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: after already trying to get angelotta get a hotel room

1104
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: and everything. I remember driving to that hotel that day.

1105
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: And I swear to you, as God is my witness,

1106
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: you thought about my father's grave as simply as I'm

1107
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: talking to you, God's head, don't go to that hotel.

1108
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: I do. I think on this every day. I swear

1109
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: to you. That's simply he said, do not go, you know.

1110
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: And and I went and and and he must have

1111
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: set me up before. That's why I said, that's a

1112
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: Coogan apartment, you know what I mean, we didn't and

1113
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: it just didn't, you know. But yeah, as I said that,

1114
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: your I guess yeah, hm hmm. I wish I wish

1115
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: that never would have had it, man, I mean, not

1116
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: not that what I was doing. You know. I ain't

1117
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna say I wish I never did that, because you

1118
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: know that was what it is. I was young, it

1119
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: were just out there. But I just wish because it

1120
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: changed things, the changes things, it just changed. You tell,

1121
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: Cowboy teams were never the same. No, I was never

1122
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: the same. I was never the same. It's just and

1123
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: it just felt like now it's just wouldn't say can

1124
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: lead the same as fella, you know what I mean.

1125
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: People looked at you. Yeah, well you felt the different

1126
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: at different Maybe they get changed everything and they changes

1127
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: everything because you feel that if you feel it like dang,

1128
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: you know. And so I was never the same. I

1129
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: was never the same because Mike, I'm thinking, Mike, you

1130
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: were the battery. You was the energizer.

1131
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: You were the receiver, one of the very few receivers

1132
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: that led a team. When you got a gold jacket quarterback,

1133
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: you got a gold jacket running back, You've got the

1134
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: players on the defense, you've got Haley gold jacket, you

1135
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: got Time gold jacket.

1136
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: You've got those guys. But you're that battery. That was rare.

1137
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: How were you they might have not knew to the extent,

1138
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 3: but they knew you'd like to get down Mike, right?

1139
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: How were you able to do what you.

1140
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: Did over here but get on the field, be first

1141
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: in the spranch and lead.

1142
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: Because well, we're having fun. It's not like I'm over

1143
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: here in the corner with some people like going you

1144
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean? This was all of this stuff.

1145
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: Get to the deuce in the process of the woman

1146
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: eyes and he being chasing and all of that stuff.

1147
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: But but I didn't. I didn't see it as, oh,

1148
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: you got an issue, and just so we're all having

1149
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: a good time for this month and then we get

1150
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: back to training, you know, and the guys we were

1151
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: all having a good time. We had a month off

1152
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: and we got back to training. I never saw it

1153
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: as a problem, right, you know, now one shoe get

1154
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: once that thing went down the hotel, everybody, it's almost like,

1155
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, you got you got drip problem, Like, okay,

1156
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: you could say I had that kind of a drug problem.

1157
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know I had a drug problem after I retired.

1158
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: After I retired, and and and then I was like, okay,

1159
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: you know I had a good time. That's it. And they

1160
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: get back back in shape, said that's it. This will

1161
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: be last weekend, and I'm gonna start focusing getting back work,

1162
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: start putting me after career together. And then you know,

1163
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: you go out another day and you're back out there.

1164
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, this the last week So after

1165
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: about three or four last weekend, like this is about

1166
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: three or four months, right right, and you were like, whoa,

1167
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: this is what they've been going through. Oh, I never

1168
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: knew that, right, I never knew that side because once

1169
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: I had football, I ain't got time for that. Right now,

1170
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: I gotta get ready, I gotta go chase Jerry Rice.

1171
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so it got different for me then

1172
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: then I realized, okay, and that's when that's when I started.

1173
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: I had to start searching more answers about me, yes,

1174
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: trying to find out things about me since I didn't

1175
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: have football to keep me off of the streets.

1176
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: You said that that situation taught you a lot about you?

1177
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: Is that the one time? But what about the other

1178
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: hundred times that I was out doing be being play baker?

1179
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 3: Right right, right right?

1180
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: You're talking about what you're talking about, like getting getting

1181
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: caught down, get your one time at got caught. And

1182
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: the problem is here's what you try to do. What

1183
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: you do, you try to justify right, all right? Right?

1184
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: You know many times I didn't get caught, right, you know,

1185
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: even though I did, I mean I don't think I did.

1186
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: So I'll mark it up, chuck it up or whatever,

1187
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing. But but you know,

1188
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: I look back at like I was young. I was young,

1189
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, I was young. We were having fun on

1190
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: top of the world. You were like the gladiators of

1191
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: the Warriors. You go win and you get the prize. Yes,

1192
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: and you keep having fun and people always say, like,

1193
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, you have fun doing anything. It's like anything

1194
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 1: drank and smoking it. You're just having fun having fun.

1195
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: Right when does it become a problem when it becomes

1196
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: too fun and you don't know how to start having

1197
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: that fun or or with it, when you don't have

1198
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: something else to turn your attention to.

1199
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 3: You also mentioned the situation you had just gone through

1200
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: that and the judge gave your probation and said, look,

1201
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 3: mister Irvin, basically you said our paraphrases, you're getting a reprieve,

1202
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: but don't come back before me.

1203
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: Come back.

1204
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: And then right before that, there you go. You get

1205
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 3: into a scuffle with a teammate about a haircutter. Did

1206
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: you go home like, Lord, I'm going to jail. Lord,

1207
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: you got you got me out of this situation. And

1208
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: I promise you, Lord, I said, Lord, if you get

1209
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 3: me out of this, I promise you I won't do

1210
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: this again.

1211
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: Were you in that room? I'm saying that what hard

1212
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: boy you doing? What Lord? If you get me out

1213
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: of this. I promise you I won't ever put myself

1214
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: in this situation today. You saw, hey, you saw it

1215
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: that first day, that first day I went to court.

1216
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: What well, isn't that bad? Like I don't know what

1217
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: full link me? Fasach your boy after them folks had

1218
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: nothing put me through the wringer man. A couple of

1219
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: weeks later, I'm coming up in that court, blue suit.

1220
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: Please just let me out of this. I'm gone all

1221
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: I was done, what I was done with many every

1222
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I ain't never coming back here again.

1223
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: And and then that situation at training camp happens with

1224
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: ever my guy, but man, and and and everybody. And

1225
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: this is why you asked me earlier, why you tell

1226
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: the story? So everybody comes in. I heard this one

1227
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: guy going around. It's not like I came up, grabbed

1228
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: sis and slice somebody's throat. You know, we had been

1229
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: out drinking. We had been out because we had got

1230
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: off early. We had get get haircuts and get meetings later.

1231
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: We had been out drinking. And every ever my guy

1232
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: was the new guy in right, you know. And I

1233
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: always rig and get on my linemen. The woman would

1234
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: be tough, big ee came in, I would be getting,

1235
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: big fellow, what's what what's your plans, big fellow? What

1236
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: are you trying to do? Oh god, to kill my mama.

1237
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: So then I started listen, big brother, because you know

1238
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: you a't win with that line. I said, listen, big fella.

1239
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: When when you hit choice at Blue eighteen Blue eighteen ship,

1240
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: you look up and you look at that joke across

1241
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: from you, you shait you trying to stop me from

1242
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: feed my mama. And then you say Hudy and you

1243
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: tell him you know I'm setting them up him Larry

1244
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: all of this, And Everett was the new guy, and

1245
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm working, and we were messing with whatever we're messing

1246
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: Withever and Biggie and the guys they started messing with.

1247
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: You can't let that little little receivers. Dude, dude, I'm like,

1248
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: come on, ever start playing man, I will come on

1249
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: and get it. This is due, This is how we

1250
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: do it. This is how we do it. This is

1251
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: the order of this team. It's what everything we have

1252
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: with you go. You have to follow this now, come on,

1253
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: follow this, and and and everybody here this we were

1254
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: trying to get okay, and and and then evert he

1255
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: know because we had drinks. He get up, dude, to

1256
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: be truthful, and and other people let people know. I

1257
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: was getting my ass kicked. This big old joker was

1258
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: whooping marble. I mean it big, but push me. I said, hey, man,

1259
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: stop man, I said, stop, dog stop, and he did.

1260
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: And and I shouldn't have It's still not an excuse.

1261
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: I should never have grabbed the scissors. But but I

1262
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: was in fight of flight. Mold you know what I mean.

1263
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: And the dude I went back to or never. I

1264
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: went back to my room right after that, and his

1265
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: blood everywhere, blood all over me, and and and the

1266
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: big cat came in. He said, man, they don't know.

1267
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: You know, they don't know. I just said, I barely

1268
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: missed uh an artery, you know. And dude, it was.

1269
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: That was a difficult thing, is ever, because you know

1270
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: you're you're in this kind of frenzy fight thing going on,

1271
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden.

1272
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: Once you come down after that, you realize what you've done.

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1274
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: I sat in that room thinking, but I'm going to jail.

1275
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to jail. They killed this man and somehow,

1276
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: if he survives, I'm still going to Ji. Yeah. Close.

1277
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: The judge just told her, boy, if I see you again,

1278
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: I promise I'm gonna give you twenty five years, you know.

1279
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, Everett then Evertt talked after that, Man and

1280
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: I share it then, and I'll never forget that. And

1281
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: I thank him again today and I apologize to him

1282
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: again today on it, you know, because I've been thinking

1283
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: about lately because you watch the documentary, you start thinking,

1284
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, you relive all those moments all over again,

1285
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: moments man, and I just he said to me, when

1286
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: he said that to me, he said, Michael, you know,

1287
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: he said, I know the severity of what will happen

1288
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: if the truth got out. He said, Man, I don't

1289
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: want to take you away from your kids like you

1290
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: always took almost took me away from mine. Dude, that

1291
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: was that was? Did you break down? Yeah? Yeah, no

1292
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: doubt yeah, because I didn't expect him to do that

1293
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: in my own mind, because at that moment he showed

1294
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: you more grace and mercy. You show me grace, and

1295
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here without it. I would not have

1296
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: been here. I wouldn't be here without it, you know.

1297
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I tell you, man again, I apologized

1298
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: to him a million times. You know, didn't you have

1299
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: a situation at Miami? Did you get in a fight

1300
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: with somebody at Miami? Yeah? I got in fights like hell. God,

1301
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: Jimmy was tell you first day, not even just get

1302
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: in school. I know, I don't know, man, I but

1303
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: I told these guys because I know, I said, I

1304
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: don't mind doing so funny. I don't mind doing freshman stuff, guys,

1305
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: but listen, man, we got nothing. Man, I'm here to

1306
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: try to get my family somewhere. And I was saying this.

1307
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: I know, you know, it's so funny. I was just saying,

1308
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: come on, man, I just gotta get my family. So

1309
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: we were playing these games with me. This was on

1310
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: the training table the first day, the first day, you know,

1311
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: young guys standing there. Freshman's got last. Yeah. The protocol

1312
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: that that old called I tied their way, tried their way,

1313
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: and and then so so they kept making us wait,

1314
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: and then I kept saying, let me go, let me go.

1315
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: He said, fresh shut up and get back. I said, okay,

1316
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: And then and then the joker went and picked the

1317
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: food that I wanted because I ain't. This was my

1318
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: first time seeing the training table. I'm coming from the

1319
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: ghetto for a lot of dude, we ain't never seen

1320
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: no food like that, no abundance of food like see,

1321
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: they don't. They didn't think about it. It's like, y'all

1322
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: see this all the time. You know. Remember Howard then

1323
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: just gave house Smeller Burger the okay to go in

1324
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: the ghettos and get us. Yes, so we were freshly

1325
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: coming out of the ghetto for real, and and I

1326
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, look at this. And yeah,

1327
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: after they messed with us and messed with the freshman

1328
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: shit out eat last, then that joker I snuck by

1329
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: him and picked out a steak, and they pushed me

1330
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: and put me back. And then then and then after

1331
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: he finally went, he took my steak. Man, I cracked

1332
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: that joke over the head with the tray and started woofing.

1333
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy called me in the offense. I said, this joking

1334
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: fit to send me home. I just got here. I

1335
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: just got it right. And then a couple of weeks

1336
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: say that we're we're we're freshmen's working the freshman's work

1337
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: out right, and we get the music box. Then linebacker

1338
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: come in, freshman, shut up, y'all, don't play, and they

1339
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: change the music. I said, what, we get to work

1340
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: out for ten momnutes and then you guys come in

1341
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: turn this music, make it put me, I said, But

1342
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: that's not putting up to sleep with our music, freshman,

1343
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: I said, dude, this is our time. Dude, I got

1344
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: push me downs where I said, Oh okay, oh, I said, joke,

1345
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna keep messing with me. So so then we

1346
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: go upstairs in the big meeting room and Jimmy calls

1347
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: the meeting and he says, I can't believe Michael, get

1348
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: down here right now. Call the player that I said.

1349
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm told you we can't be finding each other. Stop

1350
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: it right now. We're gonna shake hands right here in

1351
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: front of everybody right now. I'm fresh out of again.

1352
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't. I'm a little rough around here

1353
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: right I'm fresh up out of that gay. So in

1354
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: front of the team, he said, I want you all

1355
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: to shake hands right now. This true story. I said him.

1356
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm on five. I'm on fire from what that joker did. Man.

1357
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: I reached out my left hand and he reached out

1358
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: of her left I grab and he was you know,

1359
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: and and and man, and then I hit him again

1360
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: and everybody by Coach was like, listen, boy, listen, listen.

1361
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: Tell you. I know I know you had it hard.

1362
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: We're here now, we're trying to help you get out, right,

1363
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: you can't be fighting us. Just that was it, man.

1364
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: And then he said, let me say you sure you

1365
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: want to play football? You ever thought about boxing? Joke?

1366
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: I ain't joking, he asked me. That is me. I said, oh, coach,

1367
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: I want to play football. I'm playing for But to

1368
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: all that, those situations, the ever my guying situation. After

1369
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: I retired, I had to figure out.

1370
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 3: Why, why why did you fight with you? Because you're

1371
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 3: like the of seventeen. You're like fifteen or.

1372
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: Sixteen, right, I've been fighting all my life, so you

1373
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: you had to fight out.

1374
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 3: You're like, you know what, I ain't taking nothing else

1375
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 3: Like nobody else. I done took it off of them.

1376
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: For eighteen nineteen years years. It stops here today. And

1377
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: then I had to go study it and learn it.

1378
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: And if you go through it now true, they'll tell you.

1379
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: In a mother's third trimester, if she is stress pressured,

1380
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: her brain releases her body releases cortisol that goes to

1381
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: the brain of the baby to tell the baby to

1382
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: prepare for fight or flight. And in this child you

1383
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: would have, you would have a smaller cortex, bigger Mammaalillian.

1384
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: That's the bot base. So your your fight or fight state.

1385
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: You're more apt to fight than reason. I'm more apt

1386
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: to fight than reason. It serves me well on the

1387
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: football field, so you come up with me. But off

1388
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: the football field, you're such a small time or to

1389
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: put right right. And that's what I said. I had

1390
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: to learn, dude, joke stop. They tell you understanding and

1391
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: and studying it is not a seventy five percent beating it.

1392
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: So now even when I'm riding and somebody comes by

1393
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: and cut me off, I said, I said, your reptilian brain,

1394
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: calm it down. Yeah see no brother, no troll, no

1395
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: prob but you gotta calm it down. You gotta know,

1396
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: calm it down right now. So you know, I had

1397
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: to study that, figure it out, learn it and try

1398
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: and so I can try to get through this thing

1399
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: without get through this thing called life without football.

1400
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: Had you had you known what you know now back then,

1401
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: are you still the same Michael Irvin? Because that served

1402
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 3: you well, and like you said, and playing football now

1403
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 3: you go get the help the treatment that you need

1404
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 3: to be able to reason.

1405
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: Right, right, right? Right? Do I get there? You know,

1406
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: that's a great question. That's a great question, you know,

1407
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: because the fight in me was to fight here, to

1408
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: fight here. But all these other fights away from here,

1409
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: what they were problematic? They were problematic, and you know,

1410
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: so coming up the way I came up, I was like, Yeah,

1411
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: that's it. I need that come up. I need that

1412
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 1: come up. I just need to learn what I know

1413
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: now sooner. Just see what I'm saying. So I could

1414
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: have I could have said, I could have stopped a

1415
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of the stuffs understanding that's just your reptilian brain.

1416
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: Just to just calm it down. You're not on the

1417
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: field right now. Be reasonable.

1418
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 3: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1419
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 3: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1420
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

1421
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 3: simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see

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01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 3: you there.