1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Why from our nation's camera this budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: to do nothing spaceports. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and politics 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: colliding Floomberg Sound On, the Insiders, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: than it looked in. President Trump was sent here to 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: smash conventional norms in a sense Bernie Sanders has already 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: on This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surley on 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg one oh five point seven f M h D 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: two chered Kushner. Today the administration unveiled its US Middle 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: East piece plan. Why now. We've working on this for 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: a long time, and over the last couple of years, 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: we've studied the issue, we've studied the region, We've consulted 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: with all the different parties, and the biggest thing that 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: we were able to do today is bring the Israeli 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: government together to agree on different parameters to put a 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: two state solution option on the table for the Palestinians. 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: This is something that has never happened before and in 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Israel in a very divided political climate. Getting two opponents 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: to come together to endorse something on the most divisive 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: issue in their politics is a pretty major accomplishment that 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: only President Trump could have pulled off, not just in 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: their politics and global politics. It's true something that's been 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: going on for so long and unstruck by this. So 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: what what specifically would it do to folks who are 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: just learning about this to that? So what this does 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: is this is the first time in history that there's 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: been a very detailed proposal out there. The Airpiece initiative 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: was a good proposal, but that was eight or nine lines. 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: Then you had all these different efforts that have been 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: going on over the years which were more conceptual framework 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: so two to three pages. This is an eight page 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: detailed solution that has very technical, economic, and political prescriptions 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: for how to solve this problem and how two people 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: can co exist side by side. This is one of 37 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: the hardest problems in the world. But the two biggest 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: things that we were able to accomplish today is Israel 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: has agreed to allow the Palestinians to have a state 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: and to agree to negotiate on the base of that 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: through the terms and conditions in the plan and then 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: in addition to that, this is the first time in 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: the history of the peace process that there's ever been 44 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: an official map that was drawn, and then even more so, 45 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: an official map that was agreed to by the State 46 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 1: of Israel. How did you decide on how to draw 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: that map? So the terrain is the terrain, right, So 48 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: obviously people go back to the core of the conflict 49 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven or even eight, but we looked 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: at it as it exists today. So today, in two 51 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty, there's been a lot of things changing 52 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: in terms of where people live and how they live. 53 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: And the most important thing for us in terms of 54 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: trying to draw it was how do you get contiguity 55 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: to the Palestinian territory. So Gaza and the West Bank 56 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: were never connected. In this plan, you can go from 57 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the top of the West Bank all the way down 58 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the West Bank, and then we 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to link all the way to Gaza 60 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: and then below. So so we really tried to figure 61 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: out where the land is. And one of the biggest 62 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: accomplishments as well is that the President's got in Israel 63 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: to agree in exchange for recognizing land Israel was never 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna give up anyway to freeze growing the settlements for 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: another four years. This will provide an opportunity for the 66 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: Palestinians to come to the table and negotiate. I was 67 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: struck by just over the past twenty four hours seeing 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: President Trump not just meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Yahoo, 69 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: but also with Ben ANNs And clearly it was it 70 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: was from my reporting and illustration that the President stands 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: behind Israel, not just whomever the leader is. But it's 72 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: it really seemed to say, suggests that. So President Trump's 73 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: built great relationships with a lot of world leaders, and 74 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: obviously he's worked very hard to bring the relationship between 75 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: America and Israel. Are are democratic, strong ally in the 76 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: Middle East, closer together than ever before. Prime Minister Nita 77 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: Yahoo has been a great partner for President Trump to 78 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: combat at RAN's aggression, to push for a lot of 79 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: important issues in the Middle East to defeat isis. But 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: but for President Trump, the relationship is with the State 81 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: of Israel. And he enjoyed his meeting with General Gants, 82 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: and I think they had a very productive discussion and 83 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: getting General Gants and Prime Minister Natanyaho both to endorse 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: the plan as a basis for negotiations is an incredible accomplished. 85 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: So how do you get the Palestinians on board because 86 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: right now, I mean they've been critical of it if 87 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: you look at their public comments that they've been back 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: channel discussions or how do you get the Palestinians. So 89 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: we've had a lot of discussions through different means with 90 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: them and their representatives. We understand their positions, but you 91 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: have to look at the context of the Palestinians have 92 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: been uh negotiating for twenty five years and they've never 93 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: made a deal. So their track record of doing things 94 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: their way has a perfect failure success ratio failure ratio. 95 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: So what we want to accomplish here is create a 96 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: framework where now there's a real offer. What the Palestinians 97 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: always told us is that they can never get Israel 98 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: to agree to a map and they can never get 99 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Israel to agree to a state. If we were able 100 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: to accomplish those things, they'd be flexible in all the 101 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: other terms. The way we've done that has angered them 102 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: at times, but we've built the President Trump has built 103 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: the capital with Israel. He's shown these really people that 104 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: he understands their issues, that he cares about their security. 105 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: And it was only because President Trump has been such 106 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: a good partner and they try to him that he's 107 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: been able to get Israel to make historic compromises. So 108 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: this creates a framework for the Palestinian leadership. I don't 109 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll seize it or not. But 110 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: if they truly want to have a state and all 111 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: the things that they have spoken about for years that 112 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: they aspire for, it's time to come to the table. 113 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: And if you have issues with different parts of the plans, 114 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: sit at the table, negotiate. If you don't like where 115 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: the line is drawn, try to move the line. If 116 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: you don't like one of the terms, change the term. 117 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of flexibility that could be had 118 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: if they come to the table too. And there's a 119 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: four year window my understanding, a four year implementation period 120 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: for this plan. Yes, but again, the Palestinian people, a 121 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: lot of them are suffering. They've been suffering for a 122 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: long time, and so the leadership calling for days of 123 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: rage and doing all the things they do that's not 124 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: helping their people live a better life. And I'll also 125 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: say that the Palestinian leadership claims to want statehood, but 126 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: in order to have statehood, you have to show that 127 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: you're capable of statehood and being what do you mean 128 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: by that, Well, you know, there's not too many states 129 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: that when they don't get what they want, they call 130 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: for days of rage. Right. If they want to do diplomacy, 131 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: they get in a room, they talk about their difference is, 132 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: and then they find solutions. But the Palestinian leadership, they've 133 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: had billions of dollars of aid coming in every year. 134 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: A lot of the leaders they are rich, their friends 135 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: are rich, their families are rich, but the money hasn't 136 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: trickled down to the people. So there's a lot of 137 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: people who are vested in the status quo. So over 138 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: time they've created these these logical constructs hoping that they 139 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: would never solve it to keep it in place. And 140 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: so we've done is we've now made them the most 141 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: real offer they'll ever have and will finally smoke out 142 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: whether they're serious about peace or they like the profiting 143 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: from the status quo. Is the United States trying to 144 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: build a relation with mom and the boss's successor. We 145 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of relationships in the Palestinian community. But 146 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: are I don't mean that as they got your question, 147 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: but in the sense that it would appear that there's 148 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: a new generation that is that is potentially could could 149 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: take leadership. The policy of the administration is to deal 150 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: with the leader who's the elected leader. Now a boss 151 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: is in the sixteenth year of a four year term. 152 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't exactly say that it's a you know, 153 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: in a position where it's a vibrant democracy in any way, 154 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: shape or form. I mean, there's not a lot of 155 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: human rights. There's no freedom of price us uh, and 156 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: there's not even property rights are a fair judiciary. So 157 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: it's a complicated place. And then to say again that 158 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: they're ready for statehood is a big leap. So what 159 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: we've done in this document is we've outlined the criteria 160 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: that we think are necessary in order for there to 161 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: be a state. We've lined up an economic plan by 162 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: studying economic successes where fifty billion dollars can be invested 163 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: along with them making the reforms necessarily like having property rights, 164 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: independent judiciary. And we've given them a pathway that they 165 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: can take if they actually want to become a viable state. 166 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: So the opportunities available for them, and by putting this 167 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: idea out a this will show the rest of the 168 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: world that Israel is a series of peace. America's closeness 169 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: with Israel is a good thing because it gets Israel 170 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: to make compromises that they've never made before. And in addition, 171 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: it outlines something for all the Palestinian people who maybe 172 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: have lost hope over the years by being lied to 173 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: and seeing their leadership fail time and time again, to 174 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: show that if they that there there is a pathway 175 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: to peace, and they now have a willing partner in 176 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: Israel to do so. Jared I underlearned this in my 177 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: reporter's notebook when I was in the way the remarks 178 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: by President Trump and he mentioned Boris Johnson. He said 179 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: he got a phone call from Boris about this plan. 180 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: So it would appear that there is the UK on 181 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: board with this or who are some of the U 182 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: s allies that are on board with this plan. So 183 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: we've kept this plan very very quiet, and that's been 184 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: one of the token things over three years. There's been 185 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: no leagues, nothing's going to add a lot of people 186 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: are very shocked that we've been able to have a map, 187 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: have such a detailed plan, and I know get Israel 188 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: to agree to state solutions. So the fact that we've 189 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: had no leaks has been great. With that being said, 190 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: there are some partners and allies that we trust. We've 191 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: had a lot of good discussions over the last couple 192 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: of years. I was dealing with with Boris Johnson when 193 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: he was the Foreign Minister, and he had a great 194 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: enthusiasm and understanding for this. We've dealt with his Foreign Secretary, 195 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: Dominic rob and a lot of people on his team, 196 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: and they've given us a lot of great feedback to 197 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: make this better uh and I'm hopeful that they'll put 198 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: out supportive statements to encourage both parties to negotiate on 199 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: this basis. We have a lot of other countries in 200 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Europe and the Middle East to we've been talking. Scepts 201 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: that are in this plan are concepts that people have 202 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: been pushing for for a very long time. Jordan Jordanians. 203 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: I think that Jordan's I think the Jordanians would greatly 204 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: benefit from seeing this plan through. Right now, their street 205 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: gets riled up by all the extremists who are trying 206 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: to take advantage of instability, and I think that their 207 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: economy would greatly benefit from the stability and the infusion 208 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: of capital that would come from this. It would create 209 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: a ton of jobs in Jordan's But I will say this, 210 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, if you look at this conflict, you have 211 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: two separate conflicts that have been conflated together. You have 212 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: a conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians, which is 213 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: a territorial and a security dispute, and that's something you 214 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: need to have a security regime that works, and you 215 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: need to figure out how do you draw the line. 216 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: And that's a fairly arbitrary exercise because you need to 217 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: figure out where where do you draw the line? Right, 218 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: The next dispute is between Israel and the Islamic world, 219 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: and that's something that's based on the Mosque. And one 220 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: thing that we've also accomplished today is Israel is affirming 221 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: the role of the King of Jordan's Uh and and 222 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: with the Muslim holy sites. And in addition to that, 223 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: what's happening is is we've made it that any Muslim 224 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: from throughout the world who wants to come and pray 225 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: at the Box of Mosque and visit uh can do 226 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: so in a peaceful manner. And so that's a big thing. 227 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: You know, people in Indonesia, people in in Saudi Arabia, 228 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: people in Dubai, if they want to come and pray 229 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: at the mosque, there's no flights, there's no ability for 230 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: them to do so. And Israel is willing to welcome them, 231 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: which I think will eliminate the need for tension between 232 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: Israel and the Islamic world. I covered President Trump's first 233 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: foreign trip to Saudi Arabia and we flew from Saudi 234 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: Arabia to Israel, and Saudi Arabia has proven itself to 235 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: be an incredibly important ally in the Middle East for 236 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: the United States, regardless of who's in the in the 237 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: White House. And I'm curious what role you foresee them 238 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: playing here on the look, the King Saudi Arabia and 239 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: the Crown Prince have been very strong supporters of the 240 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: Palestinian cause and the Palestinian people for a very long time. 241 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: They've supported them financially. They're the custodian of the Holy Site, 242 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: so they've been a big leader throughout the Muslim world 243 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: to support the Palestinian people. Uh, they've pushed us very 244 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: hard to say that it's very critical that there's a 245 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: state for the Palestinian people. They need to have independence. 246 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: They understand security threats. They have their own threats right 247 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: now from the Hooties and from Iran, and so I 248 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: think they're sympathetic to Israel's security situation with Gaza, where 249 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: they have a rogue terror group firing rockets into the country. 250 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: The sund Saudis don't have any issue with the Israelis, 251 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: right there's no Israelis who have ever killed any Saudis. 252 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: Israel Is hated by Iran, Saudi Is hated by Iran. 253 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: They have a common enemy, and we've been able to 254 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: hopefully bring the countries close together on that. But the 255 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: Palestinian issue is a big issue with the leadership in 256 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, and they've been very um They've been very 257 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: very supportive of of trying to create a Palestinian state 258 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: and then also making sure that the Mosque is safeguarded 259 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: and that Muslims have the ability to prey at the mosque. 260 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: So I do believe that, like a lot of concepts 261 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: that are in this plan, and I do think that 262 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: they see it's in Saudi Arabia's interest to have this 263 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: conflict ended because this conflict is held onto by a 264 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: lot of the radicals, and Saudi right now is fighting 265 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: against extremism. So this is that the existence of this 266 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: conflict is distorted by extremists to radicalize people, and Saudi 267 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: Arabia would like to see that end. And Jared, now 268 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: there's been these headlines about MBS and the Jumpanezos phone hacking. 269 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: Is that impacted at all these negotiations. Look, we there's 270 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: always distractions in government with all different things. We focus 271 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: on what are America's interests, what are the objectives we're 272 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: trying to accomplish, and then we stay focused on what 273 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: are the actions and relationships necessary in order to do that. 274 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: So so look, from our point of view, we know 275 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: what America's priorities are and we work hard every day 276 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: to try to bring them forward. And again, there are things, 277 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: different topics or different subjects that come up every day. 278 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: But President Trump was elected by the people to make 279 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: our economies strong and make our country safe, and he's 280 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: going to work through any issues that come up in 281 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: order to accompan quickly. Just two more questions. One is 282 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: why I understand and you know obviously in the foreign 283 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: policy circles, why this is so important but the folks 284 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: outside of the Beltway, to folks outside of the Washington bubble, 285 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: why should they care? What about peace in the Middle East? 286 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: Why is that important for Americans? Sure, that's a great question, 287 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: and that's the question that President Trump asked in the beginning. 288 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: And what he's done very strategically over the last couple 289 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: of years is he's increased America's energy production tremendously. So 290 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: the historic reliance on the Middle East for America had 291 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: to do with with it being an oil and gas 292 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: supply to America. Now America's energy independent thanks to President 293 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: Trump's policies, which gives us a lot of geostrategic flexibility, 294 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: and it's also brought a lot of prosperity. I means, 295 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: some of the plans that people are proposing to eliminate 296 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: fossil fuels would be very detrimental to America, especially if 297 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: we stop the production here in America. But that's create 298 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: a big opportunity. So America's big interest in the Middle 299 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: East right now is to stop extremism. Right nine eleven 300 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: happened because you had radicals who wanted to uh to 301 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: to to kill Americans, and we have this all over 302 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: the world. Right now. So the big fight that we've 303 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: been doing is how do we win the long term 304 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: ideological battle against extremism. And you're never going to have 305 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: a stable Middle East, which which which will allow for 306 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: people to focus on how do they get better jobs 307 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: and prove their lives if you don't resolve this issue. 308 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: Because what we see continuously this was happening in the 309 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. They had a cleric Alusseini, who was the 310 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: custodian of the Mosque and Uh and what he would 311 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: do is he would always use it to save a 312 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: rat on to say the mosque is in trouble, the 313 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Mosque is in danger, and he would use it to 314 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: stoke anti Semitism and all different issues. If we can 315 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: establish between Israel and the Islamic world that the Mosque 316 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: is safe, Jerusalem is an open city anyone from the world. 317 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: If you're a Christian, if you're a Muslim, if you're 318 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: a Jew, if you want to come to Jerusalem and 319 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: pray in in the way that you want, you are welcome. 320 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: You can come safely. I think that would be the 321 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: greatest thing for humanity. I think it will stop a 322 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of the terrorists and a lot of the radicalizers 323 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: from doing what they do, and that's President Trump's big 324 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: interest and and I think that that's what he's really 325 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: tried to do, so he's he's destroyed ISIS. ISIS had 326 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: a caliphate the size of Ohio. When President Trump came 327 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: into power, Iran was the state the biggest state sponsor 328 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: of terrorism in the world, was funding terrorism all throughout 329 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: the region. And President Trump's rolled that back with his sanctions. 330 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: And again, he's doing what he needs to do every 331 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: day to grow America's economy, create jobs, and then also 332 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: to make sure that he's keeping Americans safe. And this 333 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: helps keep Americans a great place to end. I just 334 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: quickly want to ask you or how's the administration monitoring coronavirus? 335 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: This is something that's on the minds of a lot 336 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: of Americans. Yeah, the answer is very closely. President Trump 337 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: has been getting brief regularly. Uh. In the U. S. Government, 338 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: we have so many tremendous resources and incredible people, and 339 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: the President has been meeting with them constantly. He's reached 340 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: out to China to offer any support they may need. 341 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: They're being very transparent so far, we believe in terms 342 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: of the information they've been sharing with us, and the 343 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: hope is is that will continue to to work the 344 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: problem and hopefully it will get under control. That was 345 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: my exclusive of view with Jared Kushner that we did 346 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: earlier today over at the E O B Building, which 347 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: is of course right next door to the White House. 348 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Ceilli. I'm the chief Washington correspondent 349 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Here listening with Fresh Reaction. 350 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: Roger Fisk, democratic strategiest, longtime President Obama AID and principle 351 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 1: of New Day Strategy. Guys not Ress, CEO of Defense Analytics. 352 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: He's the former director of Communications and chief speech writer 353 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: to Secretary of Defense James Maddis. He's also the author 354 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: of Holding the Line Inside Trump's Pentagon with Secretary Madis 355 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Uh got Roger you. I'll start with Roger, because you 356 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: were saying that you have some some great lines that 357 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: you were that were ruminating in your mind as you 358 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: were listening to Jared Kushner, and I'm curious for your reaction. 359 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: First off, thanks so much for having me Kennyth. It's 360 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: great to be here with guy. I'm an optimist and 361 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: I always try to answer at least your first question, UM, 362 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: in a nonpartisan way. So I welcome the fact that 363 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: the administration is trying to focus on this. I think, 364 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: Uh that said, UM that when I sift through what 365 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: he just shared with you and congratulations on the get 366 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a I think it's a 367 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: wonder wonderful reflection on you that they reached out to 368 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: you for a discussion as important as this, UM that 369 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: it it to me feels like, uh, it's much more 370 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: something that's at the beginning rather than something at the end. 371 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: The fact I saw kind of a two legged stool 372 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: being unveiled today, because when we look back on uh, 373 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: you know, some of the Israeli Palestinian agreements in the past, 374 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: it's always had some symbolic kind of handshake. It's always 375 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: been something where the relevant parties were on the inside 376 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: looking out. So I think the fact that this was 377 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: rolled out the way it was speaks a little bit 378 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: to the fact that some of the groundwork hasn't been built. UM. 379 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: But I'm an optimist and I'd love to see it succeed. 380 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: So what this is reminding me of is a lot 381 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: of what I've discussed on your show previously. UM. It feels, 382 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: to Roger's point, half baked. And my concern from my 383 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: time in the Trump administration is that a lot of 384 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: times these really big ideas are populated amongst a very 385 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: small number of individuals inside the White House, but they're 386 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: not shared within the administration. Uh, They're not necessarily vetted 387 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: across the inter agency process, and they're certainly not to 388 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: what you just heard from Jared. They're not shared with 389 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: our allies and partners around the world to better understand 390 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: how their response is going to actually fall out. And 391 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: it seems like something you really want to know up front. 392 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: But one thing I will say, much like Roger, I'm 393 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: I'm an optimist. Uh. I know that I was in 394 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: the Middle East Wish Secretary Maddis when it was a 395 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: surprise announcement that the Trump administration was going to move 396 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: the U. S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. That's right, 397 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: And and not to interrupt you, I mean, but just 398 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: quickly a lot so many at the times when when 399 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: we have these conversations, Guy, I mean, we we spoke 400 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: offline about this specific day, and this story that you're 401 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: about to tell really gives good context, I think to 402 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: the broader discussion that that was that we that I 403 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: have at Jared and the broader discussion that Yahoo and 404 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Trump had at the White House earlier to go ahead. Well, 405 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: and those were the two key takeaways. One was that 406 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: it was not vetted. Secretary Maddis was caught off guard, 407 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: as were others in the administration, and these are cabinet 408 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: level officials who had not been informed that this announcement 409 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: would be made, so that in and of itself was 410 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: noteworthy to me. The second part was that there was 411 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: a lot of whaling and nashing of teeth if this 412 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: was to cause a major upheaval in the Middle East, 413 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: that this was going to result in a lot of 414 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: increased instability, and that would be counterproductive to for example, 415 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: our our conflict, to our our war to defeat terrorism, 416 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: to defeat ices, and a lot of that did not 417 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: come to pass. So the administration had said, hey, hold steady, 418 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: we know what we're doing. Just stay with us, and 419 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: ultimately that's what came to pass. So it'll be Yeah, 420 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: I think we're obviously too soon. We have not yet 421 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: seen any reflections back from the Middle East, but I'm 422 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: very curious to hear how other nations are going to 423 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: take this. Yeah, it is going to be interesting to 424 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: see the reaction. Uh. And we heard this from Jared 425 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: in my interview just about the UK. And also it'll 426 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: be interesting to see if the Jordanians get on board 427 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: with this, Saudi as well. I mean, it is a 428 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: very fascinating thing. And I think also just I think 429 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: to both of your points, this was an opening bid 430 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: of sorts. That's what I think everyone collectively gathered from today. Uh. 431 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: And it's something that the administration did take very seriously 432 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: and crafting. And now it's an opening bid. Uh. And 433 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see where it leads. Coming up much 434 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: more policy and politics. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington Course 435 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: moondit for Bloomberg TV and Radio. You're listening to Bloomberg. 436 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin Surrel on 437 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f M h 438 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: D two. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 439 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. Roger Fisk is here, Democratic straggist 440 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: insider to President Obama. Why are you laughing? That's funny? Well? Why, 441 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you are all right, Guys Snodgrass, CEO of 442 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: Defense Analytics, former Director of Communications and Chief Speechwriter's Secretary 443 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: of Defense James Madison. He's corps author of the book 444 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: Holding the Line Inside Trump's Pentagon was Secretary Maddest. Jordan 445 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: Fabians here, Fabian, Fabian waf Mike's on sound, on sound, 446 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: please that would be good. Okay, Fabian Bloomberg's White House reporter. 447 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: My my former colleague as well at the at the 448 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: Hill newspaper and a Philadelphia sports fan. Okay, but we 449 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: were talking about this a little um in our meeting 450 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: for Jared Kushner prep side note about whether or not 451 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: Philadelphians are actually fans of Kobe Bryant. Now he's from 452 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: Lower Marian, so I am a fan in the sense, 453 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: but I I mean, first of all, tragedy, thoughts, prayers, 454 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: all the victims. It is fascinating to see how Philadelphians 455 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: are remembering Kobe Bryant and the city, uh skyline, the 456 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: skyscrapers in Philadelphia. They changed the lights for purple for Kobe, 457 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: but he it's just sad stories Philadelphia remembers. Yeah. I 458 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: think they'll lit the boat house up to and uh, 459 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, even though there was some baby tension during 460 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: the NBA Final when they played against each other. That's 461 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: uh and uh yeah, all all good feelings for I 462 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: will say all good vibes for Kobe, but I will 463 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: say that first game of the game one of the 464 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Sixers Lakers, what was it two thousand, Remember it was 465 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: like the NBA blackout and everything and uh, but when 466 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: Iverson did the step over over Tyrone Louis, I felt 467 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: that I was Alan Iverson in that moment. That is 468 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: my that remains my all time favorite sports moment, the 469 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: step over. He's known for the crossover, but it was 470 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: the step over. It was such for every kid that's 471 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: ever been picked on or isn't tall enough, that moment 472 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: embodies Philadelphia culture. I love that moment. All right, enough 473 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: about that, enough about Ai the answer, but let's talk 474 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: about other answers up on Capitol Hill, Jordan, because Bolton 475 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: is now in a and now you've got what's Kelly 476 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: the former Chief President's Chief the staff, bring us up 477 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: to speed with the impeachment trial witnesses, what the White 478 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: House is saying on Bolton and these allegations, and now 479 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: John Kelly's into it. What's the latest Yeah, it seems 480 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: to like throughout today the pressure was increasing on uh, 481 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: the Senate, the Senate Republican leadership in particular to call 482 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: John Bolton and witnesses. You heard Susan Collins come out 483 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: and say definitively she wants to vote for witnesses. You 484 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: had other senators saying on the Republican side saying they're 485 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: open to it, who we haven't heard before. But the 486 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: White House looks like they're going to try to put 487 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: up the blocks on this. Uh. I just got off 488 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: a call with people on the President's legal team who 489 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: said that they feel that there's no basis for John 490 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: Bolton testifying. That the House had their chance to subpoin 491 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: to him and they didn't, and so they're sending the 492 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: signs that they will do something, whether it's declaring executive 493 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: privilege or not to stop him from going and testifying 494 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: before the Senate. You know, as I look at the 495 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: current situation with John Bolton, I think the timing is 496 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: something that we should chat about as well. I mean, 497 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: you could not have, as it's been reported, planned this 498 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: better to have the excerpts from his book covered by 499 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: the New York Times. As you if you take a 500 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: look at Amazon dot Com. He's already trended up to 501 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: number ten on the bestsellers Listen, this is a book 502 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: that's not due out for another two months, so the 503 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: timing itself is a little bit suspect. I disagree, though, fundamentally, 504 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: with this premise that there's no need to hear from 505 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: John Bolton. I know that I and many of my 506 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: friends would love to hear from first person accounts what 507 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: they saw, what they witnessed, what they observed to add contexts. 508 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: We we did hear some of this during the House 509 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: impeachment inquiry, but we have not yet heard it on 510 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: the Senate side. Yeah, it's very, very interesting the way 511 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: this is playing out. There's a segment obviously in the Senate, 512 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: and I call them the more kind of jah hottest wing, 513 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: the Martha Blackburn's and the Barossos and the Corners. I mean, 514 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Trump could basically sign an executive order eliminating the state 515 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: of Tennessee and Senator Blackburn would ask for the pen, 516 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: right like, That's that's how deep in the tank some 517 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: of these people are. But I would be looking at it, 518 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: and I would would hope their calms directors are sitting 519 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: down with the Mike Lee's and obviously some of the 520 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: more centrist senators as well as the folks that are 521 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: up in the fall, and looking at the next six 522 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: and seven and eight months between now and the election 523 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: in and looking at even just the last ten days, 524 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: and do you really want to go through the next 525 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: nine months with the amount of news that we've just 526 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: seen in the last ten days and having them answer 527 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: why in June and July and August when they're back 528 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: in their home states campaigning for re election. They couldn't 529 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: have taken in just a half a day or a 530 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: day to fund to really exhaust and shine a bright 531 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: light into all the corners of this situation. So I 532 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: this is such a politically charged topic. So but I'm 533 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: not so I want you to hear the question though, 534 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: because my question for you, Roger Fist, if you do this, 535 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden is also going to testify. I think if they, 536 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: if they were to call Hunter Biden in there, it 537 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: would be humiliating for the Republicans because I don't so, 538 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: so you kick around, why why do you think it? 539 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: Because he's not a material witness to anything the President 540 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: has said, thought, done, believed anything. So if the entire 541 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: prosecution of the case is about the president's actions and 542 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: omb holding funds. You could just turn to him and say, okay, Hunter. 543 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: So on September nine, when it became public that the 544 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: whistleblower complaint was going to come out, where were you? 545 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: And he like I was I was at home watching TV. 546 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: And on September ten, when John Bolton quit, where were you? 547 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: I was golfing. On September eleven, when the aid was 548 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: finally released, what were you doing? Like, I don't know, 549 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: I was going to work, Like where is that actually 550 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: going to go for the Republicans? And I think it 551 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: is potentially damaging to their case because he has no 552 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: material relevance to the impeachment charges. So my head is 553 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: with Roger, So I agree with everything he just said 554 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: that there's no material reason to call Hunter Biden before 555 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: the U. S. Senate in order to hear more of 556 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, what he may or may not have to 557 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: say about brezema or anything else. My heart, though, tells 558 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: me that from a political standpoint, they're looking to score points, 559 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: are looking to use that as a head into the 560 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: election cycle, especially if Biden comes out on top. But see, 561 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: all right, I mean I hear everyone's points here, but 562 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: Jordan's when when you're talking to your sources a Pennsylvania avenue, 563 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 1: I mean what they say, and listen, I'm not saying this. 564 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: I'm reporting out of my notebooks. So just but what 565 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: the argument that I hear is, well, Trump was looking 566 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: into corruption, and so Hunter Biden, Roger. What what Republicans 567 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: will say is Hunter Biden is a part of this 568 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: because he was the President was looking into corruption, right, 569 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: and and I think the White House would say he 570 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: would be an exculpatory witness, saying that, um, the president's 571 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: reasons for asking for this investigation, we're legitimate. But putting 572 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: that aside, I mean, the real question here is are 573 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: there fifty one votes in the Senate to call Hunter Biden? 574 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: And even with the pressure building on calling John Bolton, 575 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that exists, even with this talk of 576 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: a one for one witness exchange, because there are Republicans 577 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: of this Senate who served with Joe Biden and who 578 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: don't want to open up this can of worms of 579 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: subpoena ng him. And there's no way that wait, wait, 580 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: there is no way that that they would not face 581 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: intense political pressure to have to not have him testify. 582 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: If they opened it up and they have to vote, 583 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: I find it and nothing I don't want to Just 584 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: in terms of process, when are they going to decide 585 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: We've been talking about if they're gonna get witnesses for 586 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: a year. Connald's made it very clear. And it's very 587 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: interesting how the more kind of rapid members of the 588 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: House Um Trump team were kept out of all this. 589 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: I think McConnell still has there's still an element of 590 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: his DNA that is about, you know, this elevated sense 591 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: of what the Senate is. I think you're gonna see 592 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: this probably play out one or two more times. I'm 593 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: not saying he's obviously gonna like get on the get 594 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: on board with witnesses, but you at the same time 595 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: see him stiff arming some of the more kind of 596 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: UH info wars, kind of elements of the House Um 597 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: Prosecution Um, or rather the House members UM that are 598 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: defenders of the president. Right, let me ask just a 599 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: process question. When Jordan's every morning I wake up, when 600 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: will we know when there's going to be witnesses? There's 601 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: if there's gonna be what are they going to vote 602 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: on this? So of any vote for witnesses would occur 603 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: likely on Friday. The next two days, there's going to 604 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: be sixteen hours of questions from senators and they will 605 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: have to submit those to the to the bench, to 606 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: the Chief Justice John Robertson. He will sort of participate 607 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: in the process of picking which ones and then h 608 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: those will be presented to the Defense counsel and the 609 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: House managers. They will answer those questions and at the 610 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: end of that, uh, the lawyers from both sides will 611 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: make closing arguments and then there will be a debate 612 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: and it uh, you know, a decision on whether to 613 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: call witnesses. But behind the scenes that's Friday, But behind 614 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: the scenes over the next three days, you know, this 615 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: is going to be what's talking we've talked about. You know, 616 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of back room dealing with the moderate 617 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 1: senators both in the Republican the Democratic side on on 618 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: whether to put forward a compromise on witnesses. Coming up. 619 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna get guys take because he wrote a book 620 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: after having served in the intelligence world, and he's gonna 621 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: walk us through how that process plays out, because you 622 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: gotta get that book vetted, which is the most baffling 623 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: thing that that that No one executive privilege. It's something 624 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: that's already been in print, and you want to know 625 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: the process. I'm gonna get an inside behind the scenes 626 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: look from from Guy on that, and of course what's 627 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: on the panel's radar, Kevin Cereally you're listening to Bloomberg. 628 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg's sound on with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 629 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven m h D two. 630 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: I was talking about Kanye West with Jerk Kushner right 631 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: before the start of the interview. Of course we didn't 632 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: hear that on on television, and he was talking to 633 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: me just giving me a glimpse behind the scenes of 634 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: just how crew show Kanye West. Crucial of a role 635 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: Kanye West played on the criminal justice reform fascinating behind 636 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: the scenes look from Jared earlier. I'm Kevin Serelli, chief 637 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent, fro Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Roger Fiske 638 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: is here, Jordan Fabians here, my Bloomberg White House reporter colleague, 639 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: and Guy Snodgrass is here. Guy used to be the 640 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: former director of Communications and chief speech writer to Secretary 641 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: of Defense James Maddis. He's also the author of this book, 642 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: holding the line inside Trump's Pentagon with Secretary Maddis. Okay, guy, 643 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: I remember when you came on the show a couple 644 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: of months ago, uh, to promote the book. Great book, 645 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: and we were talking about how you had to get 646 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: the book vetted for national security reasons. Now this is 647 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: a fascinating window, folks, into how this actually works. If 648 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: you serve in government, you can't just write a book 649 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: and give away state secrets. You have to get it vetted. 650 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: So now we've got John Bolton's book manuscript that Maggie 651 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: scooped in the Times, uh, making all these head waves, 652 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: and every source I talked to in the publican party 653 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: up on Capitol Hill, Guy, they're like, wait a minute, 654 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: how did how do we not know this manuscript was coming? 655 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: How do we not know uh that this was happening? 656 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: And I just want to read a headline across the 657 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal. Mitch McConnell says the GOP does not have 658 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: the votes to block witnesses. Senate Majority Leader Mitch mcconnalds 659 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: told Republican senators in a private meeting that leaders don't 660 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: presently have enough votes to block impeachment trial witnesses. Dal 661 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: Jones is reporting again. Wow, major development. Mitch McConnell says 662 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: Republicans don't have the votes to block witnesses. Roger, you're 663 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: throwing we got a guy just quickly, Roger. But I mean, 664 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: that's a big deal, Jordan's it is. Yeah, I mean, 665 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: and this is to the point that this Bolton revelation 666 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: guy was talking about. The timing of it has really 667 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: shaken up the politics of this. I think going into 668 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: it before that book was disclosed, I think that hop 669 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: the headline you would have you read would have read 670 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: the opposite way. Yeah, I would agree. Okay, guys, So 671 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: let's just bring it back to where I was going 672 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: with this. Why didn't McConnell world know that this book 673 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: was coming out? Well, who knows what they did or 674 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: didn't know about that. I mean, the book was announced 675 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: months ago, so this is not necessarily a surprise. It 676 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: was in the public domain. What you're referring to, though, 677 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: is this pre publication security review process. Pre publication security 678 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: review process. So if you are a national security professional, 679 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: if you're someone who's worked within the federal government and 680 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 1: you held a top secret clearance, then you are contractually 681 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: obligated when you write something, when you write a book, 682 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, if you take it at its most 683 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: strict interpretation, if you're going to write an op edit 684 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: an article, you are obligated to then submit it to 685 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: the department you last worked for, and they need to 686 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: at least get eyes on it. And that's what we're 687 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: being told. And what we've seen in print is that 688 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: John Bolton back in December, he takes his book, he 689 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: submits it to the National Security Council and they begin 690 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: their security review process. And like you alluded to with 691 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: my book, I did the same thing. I submitted it 692 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: to the Pentagon. They actually, because of the content in 693 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: the book, they farmed it out to the White House, 694 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: they farmed it out to the State Department, and I 695 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: had to get thumbs up from everybody who was involved 696 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: before the book could actually go to the printer. Wow, 697 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: So why did did you did that happen with Bolton? Well, 698 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: that's the process that they're saying. It was actually going 699 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: through that process. Undoubtedly, because I mean Bolton had such 700 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: a wide the first expanse of issues he was involved with, 701 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was gonna be shopped around Washington, d C. 702 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: And what we have seen is that just like Bolton's book, 703 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: I I had people who had nothing to do with 704 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: my book or reviewing it before the book was released saying, hey, man, 705 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: I just read your book. It was great, and it's 706 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: because it was getting floated around on the computer systems, 707 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, circulating. But like for him to make an 708 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: accusation as it relates to national security and if it 709 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: wasn't fully completely vetted yet through that that that's an 710 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: entirely different national security story of itself. I mean, if 711 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna write these books and it's going through the process, 712 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: they should be safeguarded. Well, I can only speak for 713 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: what Department Defense does, but it does go onto a 714 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: classified system. We call it SIPPER, and it's a secret 715 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: level classification. They take your manuscript and that's just out 716 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: of an abundance of caution. You you just said, if 717 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: it's if there is something that's inadvertently classified, you don't 718 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: want it on an unclassified system. So they're gonna put 719 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,479 Speaker 1: it on a secret system, start emailing it around. People 720 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: are gonna who are functional experts are gonna take a 721 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: look at it, and they're gonna highlight anything of concern 722 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: for them. In case in point, my book got a 723 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: clean bill of health. But there was one area that 724 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: they wanted to have me alter some languageness because when 725 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: I described traveling with Secretary Mattis, I would describe getting 726 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: into the motorcade, the number of cars we had, which 727 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: one he was in, which one I was in. They said, hey, 728 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: can you back that out? Because there's really no commercial 729 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: value to having in there, but there is a security 730 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: value of making sure that if someone wanted to target 731 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: a senior leader, they don't know which vehicle. And I'm like, hey, 732 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: that's a great point. Hadn't thought of that. It's not classified, 733 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: but it is sensitive, all right. If you're just joining us, 734 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: there's a massive, massive headline, we're gonna rip up the script. 735 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do what's on the radar because we 736 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: gotta really analyze this. Sent a Majority leader, Miss McConnell 737 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: says Republicans do not have the votes to block witnesses 738 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: in Senate impeachment trial. Dal Jones is reporting this the 739 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: Senate Majority leader telling Republican senators in a private meeting 740 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: that leaders don't presently have enough votes to block the 741 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: impeachment trial witnesses Roger big stuff, huge stuff. This is 742 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: big and and it also gets to my point of 743 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: because of course I agree with my point of about 744 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: twenty minutes ago about you know, is McConnell really gonna 745 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: let this become, you know, a food fight and UH 746 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: with some allegiance to the to the history of the Senate. 747 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: It'll be fascinating to see how this plays out. It's 748 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: also fascinating who was who was the name that tipped 749 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: the scales right? And then since we're not going to 750 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: do what's on your radar, I still just want to 751 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: say hello to my neighbors, Sylvia and Maria because they're 752 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: out there listening. And you'll be glad, you know, you 753 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 1: have the three to five year old demographic nailed. Who 754 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: are these kids. They're my neighbors. They lived two doors 755 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: over and they always listen on that and Maria and 756 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: a half. Alright, Sylvia, there are some breaking news that 757 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: the Senate majority leader, McConnell, it doesn't have the votes 758 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: to block to block. UH, Witnesses Sylvia and Lorena, this 759 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: is breaking breaking news. Jordan's if you're inside of the 760 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: White House, if you're on the president's legal team, and 761 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: you're reading this headline from dal Jones that there's that 762 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: they don't have enough votes to block witnesses. What's going 763 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: on inside of the White House. Well, the legal team 764 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: is made it clear to us over the past few 765 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: days that they're preparing for all scenarios, uh, that they 766 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: are participating. What witnesses might be called. I mean, those 767 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: names have all been out there publicly, you know, John Bolton, mcmulvaaney, 768 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: people like that. So I'm sure they're going through the 769 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: due diligence, preparing for what they might say and how 770 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: they might rebut it. But then politically, behind the scenes, uh, 771 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: you know, the White House has kind of been taking 772 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: a step back and letting the Senate sort its own 773 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: way through whether it to call witnesses. And I wonder now, 774 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: and I don't have information on this yet, whether the 775 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: White House is going to jump in and try to 776 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: pressure those fence sitting moderate Republican senators to not vote 777 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: for witnesses. Of course, Uh, that that could backfire. That's 778 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: why they haven't done it yet. They wanted to give 779 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: those moderates the space. But now that this is becoming 780 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: a much more cute issue, they could dive back in. 781 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: It could have even been like a Senator Lee, you know, 782 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: I mean, we know who could have been. So there 783 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: are a couple of principles, folks. What's the number what's 784 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: the number of senators that they would need? They only 785 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: need four, I mean the fifty one, any four they 786 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: need to pick off Democrats would need to pick off 787 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: four Republicans to vote for witnesses. And they have Collins. 788 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: Let's say McSally's not in that column right based on 789 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: her behavior, but it's Collins Romney. And then you know 790 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: who's behind mysterious door, right, Lamar Alexander's name has been 791 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: out there. There was a report in the Wall Street 792 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: Journal that the White House was worried about Rob Portman 793 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: and uh and and Pat too me from Pennsylvania. So 794 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: there's there's more than one, definitely a play, and it 795 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: becomes once there's uh that many, it becomes hard to 796 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: pin one down. And Portman is really interesting because he 797 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: was director of O and B. I mean, he knows 798 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: exactly what, yeah, the nuts and bolts are of how 799 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: this stuff works. So well, that'll be really interesting to 800 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: see who that fourth or maybe fifth and sixth name 801 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: all right, so, and the vote on whether or not 802 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: I just want to be clear here because you know, 803 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: if you're in your car and your way from work, 804 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: the vote for whether or not there's witnesses will likely 805 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: be on Friday, So that gives them seventy two hours 806 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: to figure this out. That's an eternity in Trump world. 807 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: It's an eternity in Washington. A lot of bridges announced, 808 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: a lot of Jordan, thank you for being here, Roger 809 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: and Guy, thank you guys as well, and of course 810 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: our thanks to Jared Krishner for that interview on the 811 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: Mid East Peace Plan. Check it out. I tweeted it out. 812 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Tomorrow much more, I have an 813 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: interview with the CFTC chairman and we're going to dive 814 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: into DoD Frank Plus they're gonna be witnesses. We don't 815 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: know again headline Dal Jones now reporting Mitch McConnell says 816 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: that they don't have the votes. Republicans don't have the 817 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: votes to block witnesses. Can't make it up, folks. You're 818 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg ninety name one