1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, breaking news, friends and neighbors. As we begin today's episode, 2 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: recording on April two thousand and eighteen, there's seven point 3 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: five eight three one five eight, five hundred and twenty 4 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: three people alive on the planet. That's a little over 5 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: seven point five billion. Hi, I'm bet can you break 6 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: that down to one of those fancy math numbers where 7 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: it's like something to do something? I could? Yeah? I could? 8 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: Are you good? Are you Matthew like that? Ben? You 9 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: know I've been known to dabble. I don't have a 10 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: personal passion for it. Yeah, what about you know where 11 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: your s A T scores pretty balanced? But queen English 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: and math higher in English? Mine or way higher in English, 13 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: way out of whack with the maths, So I may 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: have to lean on you for math support in this episode. Hi, 15 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: my name is Noel. So out of seven point five 16 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: billion people, you have chosen to tune into a podcast 17 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: featuring three of those people? Just im easily three out 18 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: of billions. We are so glad you're here. But wait, Ben, 19 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: but wait, Noel, you might be saying, who is this 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: mysterious third person you're talking about? Why it's our super producer, 21 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: Casey Smooth, jazz pegrum oh man, I like that that 22 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: new smooth jazz Casey sound effect. We did not run 23 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: this by Casey before making a face? Is he making 24 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: a face? Is it a pleasurable face? I'm into it? 25 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: And that's been Casey on the case has been um. So, 26 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: now that we've established that we're going to be talking 27 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: about large numbers of of humans, why don't we take 28 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: a step back and and what's kind of like couch 29 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: that with with a historical topic? Right, yes, let's uh, 30 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: let's dare I say, make the people what they want, 31 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: a story about ridiculous history. So will come back to 32 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: that number that is that is ticking as as we 33 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: record from something called the world counts dot com, where 34 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: you can find things like world population clocks. Is that 35 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the same as the doomsday clock? It's thankfully not. No, 36 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: it's different. But for some people who consider our society 37 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: at large on the verge of collapse, than yes, it's 38 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: different doomsday clock. But we will return to that in 39 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: a very important way. Today. We'd like to set the 40 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: scene for everyone in the US and abroad by saying, uh, 41 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: that there's there's something quirky about the United States. Despite 42 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: the fact that it is a representative democracy. Several of 43 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: our presidents are commanders in chief, and several other people 44 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: in high positions of power like the Supreme Court, for instance, 45 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: or senators and so on. They tend to be related, 46 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: not all the time. And of course most of you 47 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: are surely aware of the big name political dynasties like 48 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: the Bushes or the Kennedy's. But how about the Roosevelts. 49 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: M M, yeah, yeah, the Roosevelts. For many people, F 50 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: D R. Franklin Delano Roosevelt remains an incredibly popular or 51 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: controversial figure. Not everybody likes them even in the modern day. 52 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Wasn't a populist, Yes, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was the 53 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: mastermind in many ways behind what is known as the 54 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: New Deal, which had a lot of shall we say, 55 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: left leaning programs at the time. Sure, and and it 56 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: also um provided a lot of people jobs when they 57 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: were in desperate need of sad jobs in order to 58 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: help build up our infrastructure, everything from roads and bridges 59 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: to things like what else the t V A Tennessee 60 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: Valley Authority, that's a huge one. There were full ways 61 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: collection programs. There's any number of things a lot of 62 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: infrastructure that was direly needed. He served as the thirty 63 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: second President of the United States from nineteen thirty three 64 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: until his death in nineteen five. However, you may be saying, 65 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: what about that other Roosevelt, Yes, Theodore Roosevelt Ruxman Roosevelt. Yes, yep, yep, 66 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: this is the twenty six president of the United States. 67 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: And oddly enough, yes, the teddy Bear is named in 68 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: his honor. Wasn't he the one who carried a big 69 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: stick and spoke softly? Yes, that is that is the 70 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: quote you'll hear about him. Yeah. He was president for 71 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: eight years from nineteen o one to nineteen o nine. So, 72 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: like many people, you would assume that he and Franklin 73 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: were related pretty closely, right, you know. And it's funny, Yes, 74 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: I would assume that Ben. In fact, I did assume that, 75 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: because it's the kind of thing you just take a 76 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: face value. You got your Kennedy's, you got your bushes, 77 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: why can't you have your Roosevelt's. And you can, but 78 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: not in the way you might think. No. No, it 79 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: turns out so one of the assumptions would have been 80 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: that perhaps Theodore we'll call him Roosevelt, the elder was 81 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: the father of Franklin Roosevelt or maybe an uncle or 82 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: something like that, because they was about to say ruled, 83 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: they governed like thirty years apart. Yeah, decades. And it's 84 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: not the case. Although the math might seem to roughly 85 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: check out, it is not the case that they are 86 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: father's son or uncle nephew at all. They are related, 87 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: but in a much more distant way, in a much 88 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: more distant way. That sort of shimmies us onto the 89 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: next chapter that we're gonna get into. But it's interesting 90 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: they related in two different ways. Um. In fact, they are. 91 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: They shared a great great great great grandfather. So it's 92 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: four grades, four grades, making them five cousins, right, right, right, 93 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: I get that right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so the 94 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: question there is just to spend some time on this 95 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: first relationship. The question there when we get to the 96 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: fifth cousinry of this is a question for you, folks. 97 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: Are you in regular contact? Be honest, now, are you 98 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: in regular contact with your fifth cousins? Even one? Can 99 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: you name one of your fifth cousins? May speak for 100 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: the group, speak for yourself, please, I will speak for myself, 101 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: but I choose to speak with the voice of the 102 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: people and saying no, okay, yes, well, I myself am 103 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: not super close with my fifth cousin. You got a 104 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: fifty you know him though, you know I love them. Really, 105 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Tennessee is a weird place. Interesting, Yeah, but uh, but 106 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: I think if we're hanging out, it would just be 107 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: at the big events, you know, collapse of civilization, some 108 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: somebody's birthday or death like that. I would have thought 109 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: those would have been reversed. I thought collapse would have 110 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: come more of a last resort. But that's the one 111 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: where it's likely. Yeah, well, speaking of strange bedfellows, Okay, 112 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: so I'll go with that. Um. The other way they 113 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: were related is that FDR's wife Eleanor. And it's funny. 114 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: I actually always used to think that Franklin's middle name 115 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: was Delanor, and it was weird to me that his 116 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: wife's name was Eleanor that, but now it's Delano and Eleanor. Um. 117 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: She in fact was uh Teddy's niece, direct niece. Right, Yes, 118 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: that is correct. It's just confusing because her last name 119 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: is Roosevelt without Franklin. Right, his last name was Roosevelt 120 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: and they married. She didn't have to change your last name, right, 121 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Did they get that right? Yeah, that's weird. That's why. 122 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: That's why this is all very flammixing. And this also 123 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: means that f DR and Eleanor Franklin Delano Roosevelt and 124 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: Eleanor Roosevelt were fifth cousins themselves once removed, both fifth 125 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: cousins five by five and it wow, right, it's literally 126 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: the same relationship. Right. It sounds strange And this may 127 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: have some of us wondering, are we going to jump 128 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: the shark here? Is this going to be an episode 129 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: about unknown incest in the US presidency bordering on that 130 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: of the Egyptian royalty? Jump the history shark. We we 131 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: just might. But the factor means that this was not 132 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: a strange, untoward, or in any way ethically questionable relationship. No, man, 133 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: it's fifth, it's fifth. It's fifth. Is fine, It's fine 134 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: if it's fifth. Yes, Okay, So that's it. That's the show, folks. 135 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: They're just not as related as we thought. Yeah, we 136 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of thought that ourselves, where we were like, this 137 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: is a show? Is this the whole show? But you 138 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: know what, sometimes finding a little quirky fact like this 139 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: can open up a whole field of rabbit holes full 140 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: of quirky facts, right right, appanably if you will. We 141 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: asked ourselves what others strange and genealogical secrets does the 142 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: US Presidency hold as an office, right, and that's when 143 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: we ran into a crazy question. Are all US presidents related? 144 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I think we both just assumed no. Yeah, it seems 145 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: like a long walk to get to that question from 146 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: our FDR, and uh, Teddy Roosevelt really added to our 147 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: all presidents related. But as it turns out, this is 148 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: we're not the only ones asking this question, Ben, You're 149 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: not the only ones asking this question, right right? Uh? 150 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: You know who else was asking this question? Yes? Twelve 151 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: year olds yep, yep. Twelve year old Uh, specifically a 152 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: budding genealogists by the name of bridge Anne d'avonnon amazing name, 153 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: that's that's an amazing name. So she was twelve years 154 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: old back in two thousand and twelve, and then she 155 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: came out with a family tree that had some earth 156 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: shaking implications. Right yeah, man, it seems like she's scooped 157 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: like the genealogy community at large with this one um, 158 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: twelve year old bridge An davignon um, who is a 159 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: resident of Salinas, California. Uh for a school project. Get 160 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: this created a family tree that connected forty two of 161 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: the forty three at the time US presidents to a 162 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: single common ancestor, a real jerkuad by the name of 163 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: King John of England, or John Lackland as his pappy 164 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: called him. Yes, uh, famously named that for signing the 165 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: Magna Carta in twelve fifteen, which limited his power as 166 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: a monarch and led to the formation of what we 167 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: recognize as the modern British government. Yeah. In fact, John 168 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: had such a horrible reputation for cruelty and incompetence that 169 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: he was kind of strong armed into signing that fateful 170 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: document um by these rebelling barons who had had enough 171 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: of his shenanigans, and essentially it limited his power, It 172 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: lost him a whole lot of land and basically kind 173 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: of neutered the monarchy for all intents and purposes from 174 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: that point on. What we're saying is that Lackland was 175 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: not a compliment. It wasn't Uh. It wasn't ironic either, know, 176 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: and he was famously um portrayed as the villain in 177 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: the Robin Hood stories um be because of his you know, 178 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: just notorious greed and cowardice. Robin Hood Princes of Thieves, 179 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: by the way, that's what we're referring to. I assume 180 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: in the nineties, I was thinking more of the Disney 181 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: one where he's like a skinny um lion. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 182 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: It was sort of a proto Scar. Yeah, we should 183 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: do an entire show on Robin Hood in the future 184 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: because the facts don't really resemble the fiction, which may 185 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: surprise some people, maybe startle some people, but it's worth it. Well, 186 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: we will say that he was a human being and 187 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: not a u anthropomorphic fox no or a lion if 188 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: I'm sucking lion. But now here's the thing. This U. 189 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: This young lady in California came up with this project 190 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: UM from I think she was originally trying to trace 191 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: her own ancestry, and then somewhere along the way kind 192 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: of decided that she wanted to go way, way, way 193 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: deeper UM in the form of scouring over five hundred 194 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: thousand names to find what she termed the presidential Adam. 195 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: And her grandfather was actually sort of an amateur genealogist himself, 196 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: and he helped her out. Here's The thing though, what 197 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: she did that everyone before her, all of the people 198 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: in the professional genealogy community, had not done, was she 199 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: looked at both male and female UH family lines to 200 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: make this connection. And the only president that did not 201 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: tie back to King John was Martin van Buren and 202 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: that's because he hailed from Dutch roots, right. And this 203 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: is again this is according to her findings with the 204 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: help of her armchair genealogists grandfather. One thing, we can 205 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: say heck of a science project, probably the best one 206 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: of the year there at monte Vista Christian School in Watsonville. 207 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: But she also found out that she is the eighteen 208 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: cousin of President Barack Obama. She wrote to President Obama 209 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: to share her findings, and as of she said, she 210 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: received a form letter from the White House, but you know, 211 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: maybe she got a handwritten one later because it's the 212 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: pants and I. I have followed up and I haven't 213 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: found any new information about this. She also apparently I 214 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: was trying to raise money for the trip by selling 215 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: signed copies of her massive sort of vision board esque 216 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: family tree with Barack Obama's head center in the middle. 217 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: US President Barack Obama World Leader, surrounded by his cousins 218 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: with thousands of names. So this leads to a question 219 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: that we all have to ask. We have to be skeptical. 220 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: We can't be instantly taken in by a snappy headline. 221 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: And you know, we were talking about this off air 222 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: when I had brought up some of the stuff, and 223 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: the question was, are we crushing the dreams of a 224 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: child if we say that it isn't true. Luckily it 225 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: turns out it is kind of true. This this idea 226 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: of a web of relationships. But like the relationship between 227 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: Franklin Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt, it's not true in the 228 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: way you might think. It's not particularly remarkable either. No, no, 229 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: it is not. Yeah. John was just not friends with anybody. 230 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: He was constantly feuding with the papacy quarrels over the 231 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: election to the See of Canterbury after the death of 232 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: Hubert Walter Um. Pope Innocent the Third decided that John's 233 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: nominee was no good and instead elected Stephen Lankton, and 234 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: this infuriated John and they just really were not. Um, 235 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: we're not very close. Um. Here's the thing to King John. 236 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: In addition to being cruel, he was known for starving 237 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: his enemies to death. In fact, in an article from 238 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: the BBC entitled The Lost Rules of Bad King John, 239 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: historian Mark Morris, who wrote a biography on the King, Um, 240 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: was asked if he was really as bad in reality 241 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: as he was made out to be in songs and 242 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: stories and you know Robin Hood for example, UM, to 243 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: which he replied, no, much worse in legend. He doesn't 244 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,479 Speaker 1: starve people to death in reality he does on mass 245 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: So a bad guy and also incompetent. Apparently he was traveling, um, 246 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: his what do you call like a litter like what 247 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: when you're in those uh a palatequinn Yeah, sure, like 248 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, is there where somebody's carrying them more of 249 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: a carriage kind of situation. Yeah. And they had all 250 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: of these boxes of various supplies and treasure and they 251 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: sunk into a marsh um known as the wash It's 252 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: a very treacherous muddy bank um under the cross Key 253 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: Bridge in Lincolnshire, England, um, and it was all lost. 254 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: He apparently lost the Crown jewels because of this foolish 255 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 1: route when he was actually running away from his enemies 256 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: at the time. So all around pretty bad guy. Or 257 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: is Mark Morris would say, an absolute rotter. He also 258 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 1: Morris himself wrote an article for the Telegraph where he 259 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: says this is the most evil monarch in British history 260 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: and calls him a lecterers trader, a depraved tyrant and 261 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: a hopeless leader. He was also a serial rapist, yeah, 262 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: just putting that in there. His enemies were not necessarily 263 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: some sort of spoiled tyrant's yearning for more power. They 264 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: were saying, we've gotta we gotta get rid of this 265 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: guy because he is such a pill. Yeah, big time. 266 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: And I believe he had a brother, Um who was 267 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: known as Richard the lion Heart. Um that actually comes 268 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: into play in the Robin Hood story where he King 269 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: Good King Richard comes back to depose you know, King John. 270 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: But anyway, the thing with the lost treasure is interesting 271 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: because it's actually become kind of this lay Dan Brown 272 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: esque sort of mystery of the secret Treasure of Prince John, 273 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: where in um that area in England there are several 274 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: um folks who have been trying to find it over 275 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: the years with no success. One guy in fact claims 276 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: that he can see the outline of it on a 277 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: Google Earth image. So not exactly the most flattering guy 278 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: for all of these presidents to be connected to. The 279 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: young lady did the project. Her comment to a local 280 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: news organization was the they all have the common trait 281 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: of wanting power. So there's that. So, folks here, we 282 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: have a question for you, since we're all learning a 283 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: lot about each other's families today, how many ancestors do 284 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: you have? Well, if we're not if we're saying living 285 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: your dad, just any ancestors, doesn't matter if you talk 286 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: to them or not. It doesn't matter how long ago 287 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: they lived. We would see some pretty easy math. At first, 288 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: you have two parents. They each have two parents, right, 289 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: so you have two parents, four grandparents they each have 290 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: each of your grandparents have two parents. So then you 291 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: have eight great grandparents, four grandparents, two parents, and then 292 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: you and so when we realize that this exponential growth 293 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: as you go back in time through the generations applies 294 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: to every single one of the seven point five billion 295 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: plus people living on the planet, you start to run 296 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: into something weird and the math. Uh, the math doesn't 297 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: check out after a certain amount of time. That's right, 298 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: because when you look back and trace your theoretical ancestors 299 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: in the way you're talking about, you start to actually 300 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: outpace the population um. In an article for Abroad in 301 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: the Yard called the U S Presidents who descend from 302 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: King John of England and Why You probably do too, 303 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: Lee Renner writes that if you go back thirty generations 304 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: to the Middle Ages, you would theoretically have over one 305 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: billion ancestors in that line of your family tree yea. 306 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: And furthermore, if you continue down the line with this 307 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: sort of growth, then it will double every step, and 308 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: that means that just forty generations ago, we would find 309 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: that every person alive now has a trillion ancestors, all 310 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: living at the same time, which is impossible because Earth 311 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: has never had that many people living on it. So 312 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: how does this work out? Van help us out with 313 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: the with the birthday math here, that's what that's what 314 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: I like to call this kind of math. So this 315 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: leads us to the concept of pedigree collapse or is 316 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: it's known in German ahin schwindt. What does that translate 317 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: to loss of lineage? Roughly coined by a guy named 318 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: Robert C. Gunderson. Here's the gist. Without pedigree collapse, the 319 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: family trees we just described for you, for Casey for 320 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: myself Renal. They all work the same way their binary 321 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: We've got you the protagonists of the family tree, of course, 322 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: your parents, grandparents, great grandparents, and so on. Because this 323 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: grows eventually to exceed the total world population at the time. 324 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: If not ever, we know that the family tree at 325 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: some point has to be incorrect. This binary tree model, 326 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: and this apparent paradox is explained by a couple of things, 327 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: mainly shared ancestors. Because a binary tree would assume that 328 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: all of the people in all these trees are unique 329 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: in some way. Instead of a tree consisting of all 330 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: different individuals, a tree can have multiple places occupied by 331 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: a single individual. Parents of an ancestor might be related 332 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: to each other, not knowing that's a fact. Uh, the 333 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: offspring of two first cousins has at most, for example, 334 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: only six great grandparents instead of eight. And then this 335 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: means that the family tree you have, the binary tree 336 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: looks a lot like an upside down pyramid, but the 337 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: real shape of it is more like a diamond. And 338 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: everyone we know has some sort of common ancestor. It's true, 339 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: and apparently we only take about two thousand to three 340 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: thousand years going back to find a period where that 341 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: was the case, or we all shared this common ancestor 342 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: and we have no idea who it is, of course 343 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: not yeah. And the thing too is when you start 344 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: getting into royal lineages, that really muddies the water, doesn't it, 345 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: Because there is uh, you know, intentional inbreeding that happens 346 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: in order to maintain the family bloodline or maintain uh, 347 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, transfer of ownership of property within you know, 348 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: a particular um house I guess h And also just 349 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: the lack of mating options within that echelon of society, 350 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: right right, And we also have an added benefit here 351 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: in the case of many aristocratic royal bloodlines or genealogies, 352 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: we have much more robust documentation of what happened when 353 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: and who was born to whom you know, other than 354 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: like the commoners. So another interesting aside here is not 355 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: only do we have a shared common ancestor two to 356 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: three thousand years ago, but at various points in early 357 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: human history we experienced an evolutionary bottleneck where there was 358 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: a very small amount of human beings in general alive. 359 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: A lot of our regional populations across the planet now 360 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: are still descended from just a few people relatively we 361 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: can find a common link, and in the case of 362 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom or what we call the United Kingdom today, 363 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: those common links are surprisingly easy to find. It's true. 364 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Miller of the University of Durham in England UM 365 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: figured out that most anybody with Anglo Saxon ancestry is 366 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: likely to descended from King Edward the Third, who ruled 367 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: from twelve to thirteen seventy seven. And when I say 368 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: most anybody, I mean that probability is close to nine 369 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: point nine nine seven UM and that Edward the Third 370 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: has around one hundred million descendants in the British Isles, Europe, 371 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: UH the former British colonies, which of course includes the 372 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: United States and Canada, and also Australia. So we see 373 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: that more people have more ancestors in common that we 374 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: might have thought. Are we all playing some weird family 375 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: themed version of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon? The answer 376 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: is kind of yes, but it's it's more with everyone 377 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: you know. Writing in Family Tree Magazine with the article 378 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: what is pedigree Collapse, author Diane Haddad and I think 379 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: that's a cool last name says that a Rutgers University 380 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: professor estimates eighty percent of historical marriages took place between 381 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: second or first cousins. Two knowls earlier point, the idea 382 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: of preserving not just a bloodline, but resources, property, inheritable 383 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: goods applied to the common folk as well as the aristocrats, 384 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: and it may just have been a matter of people 385 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: available people. You know, folks didn't travel as widely as 386 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: they do now totally, And so this leads us to 387 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: a This leads us to another question. If it does 388 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: indeed turn out that all human beings are in some 389 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: way related, then does that mean that Ms Davignon was correct. 390 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: Are all US presidents related? Well? Yeah, sort of kind of, 391 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: but we do we do have one fun fact about 392 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: I believe it was Franklin Roosevelt. Isn't that right now? Yeah? 393 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: So while that fifth degree connection between f DR and 394 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt, it's probably the most obvious surfacing wine with 395 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: them sharing that pretty memorable last name, um, you know, 396 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: with the assum and of some sort of political dynasty 397 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: that spoiler alert night can it's not really spoiler at 398 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: this point, is not a thing. Um. FDR was actually 399 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: related to quite a few other presidents, including our odd 400 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: man out of the whole King John debacle, President Martin 401 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: van Buren, third cousins twice removed to Teddy Roosevelt. How 402 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: does that even work? I don't understand, Like, if Van 403 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 1: Buren wasn't connected to King John, then how could he 404 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: be third cousins to FDR who? It makes my head spin, Ben, right, Yeah, 405 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: it's surprising. In addition that list, the other presidents would 406 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: include John Adams, James Madison, John Quincy Adams Buren as 407 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Noel William, Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, the 408 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: guy with the arsenic conspiracy theory about his death, uh, 409 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: Andrew Johnson, Lucy's s Grant, Benjamin Harrison, Willie Taft, and 410 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: of course, last, but certainly not least, Teddy himself, Theodore Roosevelt. Yeah, 411 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: it's a total of eleven US presidents, either by blood 412 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: or by marriage. And now this leads to a question 413 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: that we would love to close on with you. The 414 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: question you may have is, well, how many how many 415 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: people am I related to? Am I really related to everyone? Guys? 416 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: Am I related to you? Casey, Ben and Nol? The 417 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: answer is yes, distantly distantly. Some geneticists estimate that we 418 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: are all all seven point five billion plus of us 419 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: are at least fiftieth cousins. Well, we're all made of 420 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: star stuff, Ben, That's true. That's true. And and uh 421 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: is this bad for us genetically? No, not really. It's 422 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: it's surprising, and I think it's a little bit inspiring 423 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: because there's so many people in the world that I 424 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: can feel like a disconnected, lonely place at times. But 425 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: everywhere you go in some way, you're hanging out with 426 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: your family. Man, A fifth is fine. It's definitely fine. Right, 427 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: that's true. Uh. And as we close today, the number 428 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: for the world's population to show how much it has increased, 429 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: is seven five eight three one, six five eight nine 430 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: nine billion people. By five our global family will be 431 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: over eight billion people. And who knows where our ridiculous 432 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: history family will be. But we want to thank you 433 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: so much for checking out the show. Thanks for bearing 434 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: with us on this one. This was a fun one, 435 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: but it's it was a little uh circuitous, But I 436 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed it very much, man, how about you? Yeah. Likewise, likewise, 437 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: we can only hope that Casey enjoyed it, or at 438 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: least tolerated us. He's making a face, and he's making 439 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: he's making, hopefully the face of a state any face, 440 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: it's the face of love. It's literally looking into the 441 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: face of goodness and love. Yes. Uh. 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