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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Buda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 2: He's in again some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 3: Whow Here's Craigcrioler.

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Speaker 2: So I woke up this morning Zach to an a god.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens.

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Speaker 2: We weren't off on Wednesday, but we weren't here at

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Speaker 2: I woke up this morning thankfully for you and hopefully

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Speaker 2: everyone else, of course. But it was to an Adam

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Speaker 1: We made it. Yes, there you go, we've made it.

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Speaker 4: He woke up and we've made it because football is back,

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Speaker 2: Although it just looked I mean, George did not miss

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Speaker 4: safety special team's Ace and Joey Blunt, So what does

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Speaker 4: that look like because they're not going to be out

437
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 4: there on defense. You already have three three safety formations,

438
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Speaker 4: three safety packages with Rabbit, Taylor Demmerson, and then JT

439
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 4: and Buddha. I don't know, but I do think you cannot,

440
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 4: like keen of Crawford walk out the door because there's

441
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Speaker 4: a chance that teams will pick him up if.

442
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Speaker 1: He were to be cut.

443
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Speaker 2: Four safeties were kept on the fifty three man roster

444
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: last season, and that three safety look question was asked

445
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 2: to Buddha Baker post practice about he, JT and Rabbit

446
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: on the field and without getting into details because Buddha

447
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna share anything, but he just mentioned I like it,

448
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: and there was a legit smile on his face, and

449
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: we've talked it, talked about it on previous Cardinals cover

450
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: two shows about sixtyb's your top three corners, your top

451
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Speaker 2: three safeties, and all of a sudden, Mac Wilson seniors

452
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Speaker 2: by himself in the middle. I think you might see

453
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Speaker 2: a lot more dime looks from this defense.

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Speaker 4: They heavily ran Nickel last year. But because of what

455
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Speaker 4: you just alluded to, dime formations, dime packages really seem

456
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Speaker 4: to be what's on the docket right now for this team.

457
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Speaker 4: And we've seen it so far during training camp practices

458
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Speaker 4: where Mac Wilson Senior is the lone linebacker that it's

459
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Speaker 4: out there. It's gonna be very interesting to see what

460
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Speaker 4: they do when you talk about the numbers game on

461
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Speaker 4: the defensive line. Also with your edge rushers, you had

462
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Speaker 4: a lot of guys last year, but a lot of

463
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Speaker 4: your edge rushers played special teams. What you have right now,

464
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Speaker 4: Baron Browning is not going to be playing every single

465
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Speaker 4: special team snap. You know, Josh Swet's not playing if

466
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Speaker 4: any special team snaps out there. Savan Collins didn't really

467
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 4: play too much special teams. You had Xavier Thomas on

468
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Speaker 4: the roster last year. You had Victor d Mucage, Jesse Lucetta.

469
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Speaker 4: Those are three outside linebackers that heavily play on special teams.

470
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure what that room is gonna end up

471
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Speaker 4: looking like because you do have to try to find

472
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Speaker 4: a role. Special teams is not just a phase that

473
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Speaker 4: the Cardinals just talk about and they mail it in.

474
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: They heavily invest in it. We've seen that so far

475
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Speaker 4: because a lot of the guys that they've drafted from

476
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Speaker 4: college special teams experience. Max Mellan, a second round pick,

477
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 4: is on special teams because of his love for it.

478
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Speaker 4: Keen Crawford ony ten career special team snaps. They draft

479
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Speaker 4: guys that excel at that facet of the game.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if special teams, and specifically the kickoff

481
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Speaker 2: with the touchback now coming to the thirty five, if

482
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Speaker 2: those players, whether on coverage or return, you're looking for

483
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Speaker 2: a different body type, maybe a little bit more speed

484
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Speaker 2: as opposed to the big, big linebackers. Although they did

485
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Speaker 2: see Jordan Birch out there a couple of times, but again,

486
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Speaker 2: if he's got the athleticism to do it. But you

487
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Speaker 2: don't want the plotting guys on either side. So again

488
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Speaker 2: it's it's how you construct and what you think is

489
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Speaker 2: the best for that for your roster. But JG Yes,

490
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Speaker 2: he did say I don't I'm not in the habit

491
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Speaker 2: or business of cutting good players, but then later on

492
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Speaker 2: said we might be cutting good players because the roster

493
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Speaker 2: is so good.

494
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Speaker 1: Where it's at.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's a good problem to have. It's a

496
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Speaker 2: double edged sword. But that's that's where they're at right now.

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Speaker 4: When the Cardinals won four wins during their first season

498
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Speaker 4: with Jonathan Gannon, they only could have dreamed of having

499
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Speaker 4: this kind of roster. And I think that that just

500
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Speaker 4: shows how quickly things can change in the NFL. And

501
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Speaker 4: with that being the case with the Arizona Cardinals, Monty

502
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: Austin Fort has taken no days off when it's come

503
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Speaker 4: to improving this team. And you're starting to see it

504
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Speaker 4: now because we're having conversations about guys who were starters

505
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Speaker 4: last year potentially being on the chopping block. It's gonna

506
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Speaker 4: be fascinating. And I think that this preseason that the

507
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Speaker 4: Cardinals are gonna have with their first one being against

508
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Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs on the ninth, if I'm not mistaken,

509
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Speaker 4: and then they go over to Denver for the joint

510
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Speaker 4: practice and the game over there, and then they host

511
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Speaker 4: the Las Vegas Raiders with Pete Carroll for the preseason

512
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Speaker 4: finale here at State Farm Stadium. These preseason games are

513
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Speaker 4: gonna have a lot on the line, and I'm very

514
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Speaker 4: interested to see who is going to stand out because

515
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Speaker 4: last year there were guys who stood out that didn't

516
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Speaker 4: make the roster. Now you have guys who played that

517
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Speaker 4: did make the roster that you know, you don't know

518
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Speaker 4: what's gonna be, But MANI Austin Ford his notepad, I'm

519
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: sure he's gonna be full of a lot of different

520
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Speaker 4: players that have caught his eye.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that has caught our eye, and I

522
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Speaker 2: alluded to it already and we've talked about it, Garrett

523
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Speaker 2: Williams playing a lot more outside corner. And it seems

524
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Speaker 2: like this was something that had pre dates Starling Thomas's injury,

525
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Speaker 2: might even pre date Sean Murphy Bunting's injury because of

526
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Speaker 2: what Jonathan Gannon said before practice on Thursday, after seeing

527
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Speaker 2: Garrett Williams play so well in the slot last season

528
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Speaker 2: in the offseason, was why are we taking him off

529
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Speaker 2: the field on certain packages base package when he's one

530
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Speaker 2: of our best eleven? So what are you see? And

531
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Speaker 2: now base package? Two corners, Garrett Williams on one side,

532
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Speaker 2: Max Melton on the other. You bring in a third corner,

533
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Speaker 2: Garrett Williams slides into the slot. I think you're gonna

534
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Speaker 2: see that more time than not, to the point where

535
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Speaker 2: when you look at snap counts, Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson

536
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Speaker 2: always at one hundred percent or close to it. Kaiser

537
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Speaker 2: White was like that, I could certainly see Mac Wilson senior,

538
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Speaker 2: he will be close to one hundred percent, if not

539
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Speaker 2: at one hundred percent. And I would add Garrett Williams

540
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Speaker 2: to that mix as well to where he does not

541
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Speaker 2: come off the field because he is so valuable and

542
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Speaker 2: more so than that, has proven that he can bounce

543
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Speaker 2: from outside to inside and it's not a big deal

544
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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 4: So let me toss right back to you here, Craig,

546
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Speaker 4: do you think that Garrett Williams is going to have

547
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Speaker 4: more snaps played or percentage snaps wise than Max Mountin?

548
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Speaker 4: Because I feel like Max Melin right now is a

549
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Speaker 4: pencil than starter and as an outside cornerback. While the

550
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Speaker 4: Cardinals do rotate their guys, and they have rotated their guys,

551
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Speaker 4: I don't see Maximulon being one of those guys that

552
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Speaker 4: gets rotated out.

553
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Speaker 2: Depends will Johnson's gonna play.

554
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Speaker 1: He will, And I feel like that's more of the three.

555
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Speaker 2: And that's the third, yes, the third okay, And then

556
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Speaker 2: the question is, okay, who's that fourth now? Is it

557
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Speaker 2: Key Treill Clark, who I've seen kind of work his

558
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: way up that depth chart a little bit at least

559
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Speaker 2: based off of practice on Thursday. What about Denzel Burke?

560
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Speaker 2: Can he crack the rotation earn some snaps with Key,

561
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: Trell and Denzel? Do they have a role on game day?

562
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Speaker 2: Meaning are they up? Meaning they have a playing special

563
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Speaker 2: teams and then someone needs a break, You've got him

564
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Speaker 2: active on game day? Elijah Jones, where does he fit

565
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Speaker 2: into this conversation? So there's three more corners and who

566
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: how many are active on game day? Or if you

567
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: like what you see with that three corner mix, maybe

568
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: it is Garrett playing every single snap and Max playing

569
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Speaker 2: every single snap with the Will Johnson coming in as

570
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Speaker 2: the rotation with that third cornerback spot.

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Speaker 4: I think with Garrett Williams, it's very likely that he

572
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Speaker 4: is that guy that is the next one hundred snap

573
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Speaker 4: one percent of the snaps player for this Arizona Cardinals defense.

574
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Speaker 4: It's very likely, and I do I can see Max

575
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: Melon being more of a rotational guy with Will Johnson

576
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: because especially when you have these base packages. Gary Williams

577
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: talked about it when he went to the Powerhouse Institution

578
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Speaker 4: known as Syracuse University.

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Speaker 1: He did playtiate that.

580
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Speaker 4: Of course they denied me, but they which still hurts

581
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Speaker 4: my soul a little bit.

582
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Speaker 2: But anyway, and I like to remind you every chance

583
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Speaker 2: I get that that.

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Speaker 1: Does happen quite frequently actually.

585
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Speaker 4: But with Gary Williams, he played as an outside cornerback.

586
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: He played on the outside at Syracuse. He said the

587
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 4: challenge was converting himself to a nickel cornerback and playing

588
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Speaker 4: some safety. We see him during practices, he's practicing with

589
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Speaker 4: the safeties. He said that was the challenge for him,

590
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: was going to the was going to play more on

591
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Speaker 4: the inside. With him moving to the outside, it's not

592
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Speaker 4: foreign for him. You could see that he feels comfortable.

593
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Speaker 4: He described it as riding a bike and saying that

594
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Speaker 4: it's just simply his game right back, you know, on

595
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Speaker 4: the stand and just rolling with the wheels and doing

596
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: everything that you got to do. That is what Garrett

597
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: Williams brings to the outside cornerback room. How Will Johnson

598
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: falls into the mix now with Max Mountain, That's what

599
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: I'm interested in seeing. But I do appreciate because we

600
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: know sometimes JG could be a little bit tight lipped

601
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Speaker 4: when it comes to his thought processes with some of

602
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Speaker 4: these things. I do appreciate how open and honest he

603
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Speaker 4: was about reflecting on last season, saying, why are we

604
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Speaker 4: taking Garrett Williams out?

605
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Speaker 1: Because we see what he's able to.

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Speaker 4: Bring to this Cardinals defense, the spark that he brings,

607
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Speaker 4: how he's one of the few cornerbacks that consistently had

608
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Speaker 4: his hand on the football a lot of the times

609
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Speaker 4: throughout the twenty twenty four season. Achi was the first

610
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Speaker 4: person to pick off Jaden Daniels in that game against

611
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Speaker 4: the Commanders. I think with Garrett Williams coming into the mix,

612
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Speaker 4: you're gonna see his snap increase, only start to rise.

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Speaker 2: And he's certainly has proven that he can handle whatever

614
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Speaker 2: role is asked of him, making that position switch from

615
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Speaker 2: college to the pros. And yeah, he's which is all

616
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Speaker 2: while we're al entry and as much outside corner we've

617
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Speaker 2: seen him play, he's still practicing amongst the safeties, which

618
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Speaker 2: I guess if that's you know, what you're used to,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's some overlap, but it is kind of

620
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Speaker 2: and he's still listed as a corner even though he's

621
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Speaker 2: always been in that safety room since day one.

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Speaker 4: I think with that part of it. It's similar to

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Speaker 4: what Buddha Baker discussed with about how he's used. You

624
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: don't know where Jalen Thompson is technically labeled at We

625
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: see sometimes Jalen Thompson standing right next to Mac Wilson Senior,

626
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Speaker 4: so he kind of has that linebacker you know, formation

627
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: of where he's plays because you still have Buddha Baker

628
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Speaker 4: out there and you still have a rabbit tailor demers

629
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Speaker 4: in on some of those three safety looks. I think

630
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Speaker 4: with Nick Rolis's scheme, you never really know how somebody

631
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Speaker 4: is labeled. Somebody could be a true linebacker, they could

632
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: be a true safety, but the way that some of

633
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Speaker 4: the things get mixed around, you can't fully tell of

634
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Speaker 4: what it's actually gonna be if you had a diagram

635
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Speaker 4: of the screen in the play call.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into some news and notes within Thursday's practice.

637
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Speaker 2: After an off day Wednesday, it was a light day

638
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: on Thursday, and as you alluded to earlier or mentioned earlier,

639
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: they will be in pads on Friday and Saturday, and

640
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: a padded practice for the red and white practice on Saturday,

641
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: which is really going to fire up the fan base

642
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: and the first time in a long time that I

643
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: can remember a padded practice on Saturday of the Red

644
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: and White practice. So if you haven't done so already,

645
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: good Aisycardinals dot com, get that digital ticket to get

646
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Speaker 2: you into the stadium. Parking and admission are free. Do

647
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: you want to let you know that I would say

648
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty right now if you see Marvin Harrison

649
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Junior on the field Friday or Saturday. He did not

650
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: practice on Thursday. And no, I'm not burying the lead here. Soreness,

651
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: general niece soreness. And it doesn't sound like the head

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00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: coach is concerned, so we shouldn't be concerned. But eighteen

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Speaker 2: wasn't out on the field on Thursday. Who knows if

654
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Speaker 2: he will on Friday or Saturday.

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Speaker 4: JG said, it's a day to day situation. So I

656
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: don't want to ring the panic alarm because I don't

657
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: think that it's anywhere anywhere close to that. Right now,

658
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: we've seen the Cardinals be smart with their guys, especially

659
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 4: some of their key role players. Marvin is the key

660
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: to this offense. With Drey McBride and with James Connor

661
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 4: and with Kyler Murray, he is obviously still that kind

662
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: of that brand new shiny toy that everyone's still very

663
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Speaker 4: excited to see out on the field.

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Speaker 1: But with Marv out there, you gotta be smart with it.

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Speaker 4: So if he's out there for Red White, we know

666
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Speaker 4: Marvin just the passion he has for the game. He

667
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: doesn't want to be on the sidelines. So clearly it's

668
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: something that the staff wants to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that there's anything, you know, worth

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Speaker 4: the cause of concern.

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Speaker 2: And not that you won't see him. He was spotted

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00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: at practice, so if he's not on the field, he

673
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: will be in the building and available and I'm sure

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00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: we'll greet fans and sign so it's not like he's

675
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: not around. He just wasn't participating between the lines.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the best parts about

677
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Speaker 4: what this Cardinals team has done with this front office

678
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: has done with encouraging and emphasizing to their players that

679
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: are uninjured reserve, aren't you know, healthy enough to be

680
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: practicing to still be there. Jay Curran, his offensiveignment, who

681
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: was miss practice on Thursday. He was not out there.

682
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: Walter Nolan, the third has been at every single practice

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Speaker 4: that the Cardinals have had here at State Farm stadium,

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Speaker 4: cheering on his teammates being there on the sidelines. We've

685
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: seen be Joe Jlari out on the field, We've seen

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Speaker 4: Blal Nichols. So it's it's really something special to see

687
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: that your guys who are injured are still around and

688
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: still trying to be a part of the team.

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Speaker 2: Before we head on out of here and go catch

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Speaker 2: kickoff of the Hall of Fame game, as I mentioned,

691
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Speaker 2: the team was off on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: If we weren't, we weren't.

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Speaker 2: And you even pulled double duty in addition to a

694
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: show on Wednesday, you were out and abouts with a

695
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Speaker 2: couple of first year players in the community, Will Johnson

696
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: and Walter Nolan. Iid a back to school events at

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Speaker 2: Maryvale High School in Phoenix organized by Will. Walt makes

698
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Speaker 2: an appearance. But this is something I think positive because

699
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: this was not done through the Arizona Cardinals. This was

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Speaker 2: Will and his family on his own working with the community.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Ever since Will was a youngster in Michigan, he would

703
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: hold a lot of camps that his father would help

704
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: run with the Sound Mind, Sound Body Academy, and he

705
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: would take part in them as a player. And then

706
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: when he started to develop a little bit of a

707
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 4: platform during his time at Michigan. He turned that into

708
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: holding youth camps and doing turkey giveaways during Thanksgiving and

709
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 4: is very active in the community. Darren Urban has a

710
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: great story on Azycardinals dot com because we're just going

711
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: to promote to the promotion for this article about how

712
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: he has embraced that Detroit culture with the Cardier buff

713
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: glasses that they've had out there at how it adds

714
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: a level of swagginess and a level of as the

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Speaker 4: cool kids like to say, And I like to call

716
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: myself a cool kid, so I'm gonna say the drip

717
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: that is very true ding anyway, and Cody over here said, ok,

718
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: right there gets clipped. But with the with Will Johnson,

719
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Speaker 4: he's done a lot during his time at Michigan. When

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Speaker 4: he came over here to the valley, he had some

721
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Speaker 4: connections out here to Arizona, and within his first month

722
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: out here said Hey, I want to be immersing myself

723
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Speaker 4: into the community. He said that to me, and both

724
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 4: he and Walter said to me something that was music

725
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 4: to the ears of every member of the Bird Gang,

726
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Speaker 4: which is that they don't plan on leaving the valley

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Speaker 4: anytimes soon. They want to set their foundation here and

728
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: with Will Johnson, he said early on, I.

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Speaker 1: Want to do something in the community.

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Speaker 4: He goes out, he plans this event with his family

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Speaker 4: at Maryvale High School. Members of their football team and

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Speaker 4: their basketball team were there. They had backpack giveaways, a

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Speaker 4: bunch of school supplies. You had certain companies that were

734
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: out there that were giving clothes, free hair cuts are

735
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Speaker 4: being given.

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Speaker 1: They had a DJ.

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Speaker 4: It was pretty awesome And I started to think back

738
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Speaker 4: to our introductory press conference with Will and he talked

739
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Speaker 4: about how he tried recruiting Walter to Michigan because their

740
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: friendship began when they were high schoolers. And I thought

741
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: it was very appropriate that their first event, Will Johnson's

742
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: first event was a back to school giveaway, and the

743
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 4: fact that he had a guy who he was linked

744
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: with in high school during the recruiting process, I thought

745
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: it was very appropriate that.

746
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Speaker 1: Big Walt was there.

747
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 4: And with Walter, he has a lot that he could

748
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: be down about. Not being out there with your teammates

749
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: on the practice field is definitely something that is frustrating,

750
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Speaker 4: and he said as such. But to see him out there,

751
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: to see a smile on his face, to see him

752
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 4: holding a bag open for this little girl as she

753
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: was going through the line, and he was helping put

754
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: stuff in it. I was definitely pretty awesome to see.

755
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: And for all the red flags that were made about

756
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 4: Walter's personality or his character concerns or whatever, the more

757
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: I'm around him, because I've seen him at the d

758
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: Backs game, I've seen him at different community events with

759
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: all the rookies. But because of the comments that were

760
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 4: about Walter, the red flags, they start to turn a

761
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 4: lot greener every single time I go out there. So

762
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: hopefully the only red we see is the one of

763
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: him wearing the jersey and making him out of green

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Speaker 4: on this field.

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Speaker 1: Well done.

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Speaker 2: Azycardinals dot Com with the story and a brief update

767
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: on Walter's injury calf injury. Told Uzak that he's attacking

768
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: rehab every day and again hopefully it's sooner rather than later.

769
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Speaker 2: The good news is he's out here, I meaning most

770
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: sometimes when you're rehabbing, it's all rehab and you're not

771
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: even a part of practice. At least Walter is part

772
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: of practice, meaning he is standing with his position group,

773
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: he's watching, he's listening, and hopefully he can so call

774
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: that in the when he does return, he's not too

775
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: far behind mentally, He's where are he's supposed to be.

776
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: It's just the physically that he would have to catch

777
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: up with.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that'll all ramp up when the

779
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: time comes for it to ramp up.

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Speaker 1: But a large part of being a rookie.

781
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: In the NFL is that mental side of things, So

782
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: he is easing his way into it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure once he is cleared.

784
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Speaker 4: Whenever that does happen to be the case, it's gonna

785
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 4: be a lot of information thrown at him and the

786
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: physicality is going to be something different. He experienced it

787
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: a bit during OTA's This is going to be a

788
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 4: little bit different once you're actually out there in the pads.

789
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Speaker 4: Whenever that time does come, Does he play in the preseason,

790
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 4: I don't know how wait until the regular season?

791
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Speaker 1: Is he out? I don't know. There.

792
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: We don't have questions, we don't have answers rather to

793
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: these questions. But what we do know is this staff

794
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 4: has kept an eye on Walt. They've helped him, they're

795
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: rehabbing with him, and soon enough, because I do believe

796
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: it can be a soon enough sort of situation, we

797
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: will see Walt out.

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Speaker 2: There hopefully again, as I mentioned, sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: Here's hoping that, like earlier on Thursday, I wake up

800
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: on Friday just for you.

801
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: Zec amen, because we still have practice tomorrow. It's a

802
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: padded practice. Come on, Craig, I need some juice. Like

803
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: when you wake up, I hope it's on the cool

804
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: side of the pillow. And then when you wake up,

805
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: you're like, man, it's practice today.

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00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: You want me to text you when I wake up.

807
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: Please don't, cause that means I'm going to get a

808
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: text at three forty five in the morning of like, hey.

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00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: I want I'm excited three forty five. I could be

810
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: excited without a text. I will see you here like nine.

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Speaker 4: Nine thirty, and you let me know how you're feeling.

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00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: I need to look to see how many five thirty

813
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: early birds there are to come the regular season.

814
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Speaker 1: Hopefully not a lot.

815
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Speaker 2: Those are a lot of fun, those text messages that

816
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: I send you at five thirty.

817
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: You know, I have learned how to put do not

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00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: disturb on my phone. One of these days you won't

819
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: One of these days I won't well, or maybe I

820
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 4: just sleep through.

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00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: The ring or the vibration and you'll wonder like what

822
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: happened when I mixed?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I missed, I missed it? About just kidding, No,

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Speaker 1: it won't happen.

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Speaker 2: Thursday in the books, Friday, Saturday padded practices, and then

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Speaker 2: practices next week Tuesday and Wednesday. Those are the remaining

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Speaker 2: open practices here at cards Camp Training Camp twenty twenty five,

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831
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Speaker 2: Saturday for the red and white practice. And on that note,

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Speaker 2: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Joe Mamahure,

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Speaker 2: our associate producer Coddy Fincher for Zach Kershman, I'm Greg

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