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Speaker 1: you for so much for joining us. Crystal, is that

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the political fallout here in

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Speaker 1: By Prime Minister Sonyahu and others. Our own Ryan grim

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Speaker 1: Here was at the State Department briefing yesterday, going toe

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Speaker 1: or rest warrants issued against the Israeli leaders and HUMMAS leaders,

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: Let me be clear, we reject the ICC's application for

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Speaker 6: Here's what we all do all it can to ensure

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Speaker 6: And always stand with Israel and the threats against his security.

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Speaker 1: We will always stand with Israel and its threat against

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Speaker 1: its security. That's pretty significant, Ryan, because if we can

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Speaker 1: the ICC prosecutor's application for arrest warrants against Israeli leaders

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Speaker 1: So this was the immediate reaction from President Biden, kind

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Speaker 3: What did you make of this, Ryan, I mean, on the.

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Speaker 2: One hand, just rhetorically, the prosecutors in a no win

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Speaker 3: Out good point Israel.

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Speaker 2: They've also been saying, we can talk about this more

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Speaker 3: They would they would not even.

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Speaker 2: Let the family of people who worked for the ICC

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Speaker 1: Got it, Well, we have actually a response from Prime

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Speaker 7: The outrageous decision by the ICC prosecutor Kareem Khan to

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Speaker 7: is a moral outrage of historic proportions. It will cast

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Speaker 7: an everlasting mark of shame on the International Court. Israel

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Speaker 7: is waging a just war against Ramas, a genocidal terrorist

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Speaker 7: since the Holocaust. Hamas massacred twelve hundred Jews, raped Jewish women,

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Speaker 7: of these ours, mister Khan creates a twisted and false

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Speaker 7: moral equivalence between the leaders of Israel and the henchmen

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Speaker 7: during World War Two between FDR and Hitler. What a

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Speaker 7: travesty of justice, What a disgrace. The prosecutor is absurd

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Speaker 7: charges against being Israel's defense minister. I'm merely an attempt

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Speaker 7: to deny Israel the basic right of self defense, and

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Speaker 7: I assure you of one thing, this attempt will utterly fail.

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Speaker 7: Eighty years ago, the Jewish people were totally defenseless against

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Speaker 7: our enemies. Those days are over. Now the Jewish people

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Speaker 7: our states. Notwithstanding the blood libels mister Khan is leveled,

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Speaker 7: Israel will continue to wage this war in full compliance

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Speaker 7: with international law. We will continue to take unprecedented measures

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Speaker 7: Mister Khan also sets a dangerous precedent that undermines every

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Speaker 7: The ICEC has no jurisdiction over Israel, and mister Khan's

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Speaker 7: actions will not stop us from waging our just war

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Speaker 7: against Amas. But mister Khan's abuse of this authority will

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Speaker 7: this incendiary decision, mister Khan takes his place among the

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Speaker 2: So I think we're going to absolutely see a resolution.

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Speaker 2: But yes, sanctions like some like going directly after the

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: He says, America doesn't recognize the International Criminal Court, but

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Speaker 1: I will be issuing a detailed statement, However, these are

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Speaker 1: Congress must pass my bill that will punish those in

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Speaker 1: You also see some of the political response institutionally inside Israel.

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Speaker 2: Belite and Conyunis and elsewhere around the God's Trip. Maybe

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Speaker 2: next they go there, like just chase them all over

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Speaker 2: the place for you know, endlessly, because the second that

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Speaker 2: the war ends, that, you know, then the kind of

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Speaker 2: political reckoning that YAHOO is on their right.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, it's not just political reckoning,

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Speaker 1: it's like he doesn't want to commit to either. He

446
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Speaker 1: says he's already said there's going to be no Palsinian state.

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Speaker 1: He literally said that. So it's like, okay, well, now

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Speaker 1: what And then that's the base is of our negotiation

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Speaker 1: from the United States. Remember this is just the US,

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Speaker 1: not just the UN and the rest of nations. And

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Speaker 1: I left out all the Arab powers who apparently, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: that's their number one demand.

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Speaker 3: They're like, sure, we'll work with you, but it has

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Speaker 3: to have he wants them to pay for it state.

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Speaker 1: He wants them to pay for it. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: even fine if they even get a state. But their

457
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Speaker 1: question is like fine, but you have to have the States.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of irreconcilable differences. All we can say

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Speaker 1: is that the US, basically American foreign policy right now

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Speaker 1: exists to advance the interests of Israel. I think there's

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Speaker 1: no other way for me to say it. And I'll

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Speaker 1: put Ukraine in there too, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: Mac flagged this this morning, this bill from two Republicans, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Max Miller and another guy, I think Michael Tracy posted

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Speaker 2: this on Twitter, where it says, in general, for the

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Speaker 2: purposes of this Chapter, to the extent practicable, the service

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Speaker 2: of a citizen of the United States in the Israeli

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Speaker 2: Defense Forces shall be treated in the same manner as

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Speaker 2: service in the uniformed Services. It's actually called israel Defense Forces.

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Speaker 2: So maybe that won't count. You could too and be

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Speaker 2: like this it wrong.

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Speaker 3: What does that even mean?

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Speaker 2: Basically, it means that if you become a foreign fighter,

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Speaker 2: you've been watching YouTube, you've been radicalized, TikTok has convinced

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Speaker 2: you to.

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Speaker 1: Go join the you make ali a you know, you

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Speaker 1: do your IDF service, that if you get wounded or if.

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Speaker 2: Or if you need like time toward a pension, that

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Speaker 2: it could count. But yes, let's say you get wounded

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Speaker 2: over there, that you would come home and you would

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Speaker 2: have veterans benefit.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense, right, Yeah, that totally makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's just that it only says, you know, whene you

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Speaker 1: open your passport. Anybody's got their passport, do this. I

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Speaker 1: actually went and I rechecked it just to make sure

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Speaker 1: that I was correct. It says it right there. It says,

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Speaker 1: if you serve in a foreign military, you're going to

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Speaker 1: lose your passport, You're going to lose your citizenship. This

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Speaker 1: is the only country in the world where we allow

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Speaker 1: that you can fight for the French foreign legion as

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Speaker 1: an American, not only do not and yeah.

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Speaker 2: Under this law, not only would you not lose your citizenship. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna pay for it. We would pay for it, right,

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Speaker 2: it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly why we pay all taxes. Right. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you don't have to like Palestine

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Speaker 1: or or whatever not to just be like, what, like,

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Speaker 1: can our foreign policy advance my interests as a citizens?

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Speaker 3: It's so difficulty. Why are we expending.

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Speaker 1: You know, if they're coming after our soldiers, that's a

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Speaker 1: different story. Okay, all right, fine then maybe but all

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Speaker 1: of This is just nonsense. It's like the entire thing

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Speaker 1: is geared towards protecting them. And then this also shows

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Speaker 1: the total incoherence of the Biden administration. We want more

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Speaker 1: aid to go into Gaza, so we'll build them a

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Speaker 1: peer Oh the peers only. We just looked at the

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Speaker 1: stats this morning. Ten percent of the aid that could

509
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Speaker 1: have been let in via a truck. So actually it's

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Speaker 1: leading to net probably less than what's getting in.

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Speaker 3: We're footing every lot. Yeah, everything got looted yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Oh, congratulations, right, and on the Israelis are inspecting it

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Speaker 1: or whatever the hell.

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Speaker 3: All of that means. The entire thing is a farce,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, Oh, I'm gonna withhold weapons, but I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna send weapons. Would I would respect him more if

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Speaker 1: he just picked a side at this point, which he has,

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Speaker 1: but rhetorically he just won't be honest about it.

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Speaker 3: So Ryan, I'm going to ask you to analyze some

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Speaker 3: of this for us.

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Speaker 1: We'll play first this clip of Matt Lee, he's the

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Speaker 1: AP reporter, rockstar guy, puts up with no bs in

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Speaker 1: the State Department, just going back and forth ruthlessly with

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Speaker 1: the State Department spokesperson.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: Who does have jurisdiction here?

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Speaker 9: So the government of Israel has jurisdiction.

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Speaker 4: Occupied over Gaza, which is not.

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Speaker 9: They have jurisdiction into looking at at the actions.

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Speaker 4: Military that they have. They have to bring it to

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Speaker 4: his rey.

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Speaker 9: We have jurisdiction we have with the use of our equipment.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry with how do you have with the use of.

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Speaker 9: Our military equipment that we have provided.

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Speaker 4: How do you have if you.

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Speaker 9: Look at the lay law, if you look at that's.

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Speaker 4: That's not jurisdiction and a criminal process, not in.

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Speaker 9: The criminal process, but it has to do with the

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Speaker 9: determinations that we make in the policies that But Matt,

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Speaker 9: long term, you were right that we want to use

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Speaker 9: you were on.

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Speaker 4: Us.

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Speaker 9: It does not have jurisdic There are different quess I

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Speaker 9: wasn't referring to criminals stiction at There are different ways

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Speaker 9: to look at this. Long term, we agree with you

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Speaker 9: that the Palestine people should be a state that has

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Speaker 9: the and have the ability to make these determinations. But

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Speaker 9: that's not where we are today. That's where we're trying

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Speaker 9: to get to.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what the hell is going on here?

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Speaker 2: What does, he saying, yeah, So the fundamental question he's

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Speaker 2: asking there, He's like, Okay, if you are a Palestinian

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Speaker 2: and you feel like you've been the victim of a

555
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Speaker 2: war crime or a crime against humanity, who do you

556
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Speaker 2: appeal to?

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Speaker 3: Like what is your venue that you can go to?

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Speaker 2: Because Miller is saying they can't go to the International

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Speaker 2: Criminal Court even though Palestine as a non member kind

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Speaker 2: of stayed at the UN, is a signatory to the ICC,

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Speaker 2: to the rom Statute. They're saying, because you're not an

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Speaker 2: official state, you can't go through that venue. So Lee

563
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Speaker 2: is asking, well then who, like where can where can

564
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Speaker 2: that Palestinian go? And Matt Miller's first answer was Israel.

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Speaker 2: And you hear them like, wait, they have to go

566
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Speaker 2: to through Israel, Like just you live in Gaza and

567
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Speaker 2: you're going to like get a lawyer and you know,

568
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Speaker 2: sue in an Israeli court, like.

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Speaker 3: If you can get into Israel, Like they're not evenna

570
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Speaker 3: let you what are you talking about? That's completely absurd.

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Speaker 2: And then he says, well, we have jurisdiction, and I

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Speaker 2: think Matt probably realized Matt Miller probably realized he stepped

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Speaker 2: in and immediately when he said that, and Matt Lee, wait,

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Speaker 2: you have jurisdiction, Yeah, like the United States, and there

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Speaker 2: there would be a world because anybody can sue around

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Speaker 2: the world in a US court. That would be kind

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Speaker 2: of funny if that's what Matt Miller meant that, Okay,

578
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Speaker 2: you can sue the government of Israel through an American court.

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Speaker 3: It's not what he meant. And also it's not criminal.

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Speaker 2: He just means, well, if they commit some crimes, then

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Speaker 2: we'll send fewer weapons according to the Lady Law.

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Speaker 3: Not that they're actually going to ever do that, but

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Speaker 3: he's saying we could do that. So it's not jurisdictions.

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Speaker 2: And so it ends with nobody would really have criminal

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Speaker 2: jurisdiction over Israel according to according to the US posture here,

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Speaker 2: and that's actually what I picked up on in my

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Speaker 2: exchange with him.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get to that. So do you want to

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Speaker 1: set up anything else? Yeah, no, give us a background

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Speaker 1: before you get to change.

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Speaker 2: So the point that Matt Miller and the State Department

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Speaker 2: and President Biden, when he is able to kind of

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Speaker 2: put together a coherent argument that they would make is

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Speaker 2: they'd say, well, look, Palestinians are not a state and

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Speaker 2: we believe that you can only have an ICC prosecution

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Speaker 2: if one member state is involved. Now neither Ukraine nor

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Speaker 2: Russia are signed on to the Rome Statue. We're totally

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Speaker 2: fine with that, but people have pointed out that that

599
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Speaker 2: hypocrisy before. I looked back at the original prosecutions back

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Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen of African warlords.

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Speaker 3: If you remember Joseph Coney, I remember that viral guy

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Speaker 3: Regid completely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was not a state and he was prosecuted

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Speaker 2: by he was charged by the ICC as well as

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Speaker 2: the first prosecution this DRC militia leader, and the State

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Speaker 2: Department at the time celebrated that at Jensaki, yeah was

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Speaker 2: the State Department spokesperson really at the time, so we

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Speaker 2: can so I asked him about that one to say,

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Speaker 2: hold on a second, and you know, these are so

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Speaker 2: the problem I have with these and I'm the ones

611
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Speaker 2: doing them, so I'm criticizing myself here is we know

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00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: they're hypocrites. And so yeah, the beginning and this is

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00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: all about power, right, It's still good, but the.

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Speaker 1: More you get to that I think is important. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So with all of that lead up, let's actually take

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Speaker 1: a listen to.

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Speaker 2: It on the back on the question of jurisdiction with

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Speaker 2: kath the International, you said that because the Palasenians are

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Speaker 2: not a state actor, they don't jurisdiction over your side.

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Speaker 8: But back in twenty fourteen, I just googled this one up.

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Speaker 2: Jensaki was up here, or colleague, the statement was, Today,

622
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Speaker 2: the ICC convicted Jermaine Katanga, the commander of the FRPI militia,

623
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Speaker 2: for his responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

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Speaker 2: The ICC's DRC cases represent a significant step towards delivering

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Speaker 2: justice for victims in the DRC. She then went on

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Speaker 2: to say the United States reiterates it's called for the

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Speaker 2: apprehension of Sylvester Muda Kumora, another leader of an abuse

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Speaker 2: of rebel militia in the DRC, who is subject to

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Speaker 2: an arrest warrant by the ICC. The Department of State

630
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Speaker 2: continues to offer a reward of up to five million

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Speaker 2: dollars for information leading to his arrest. So, at least

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Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, it was the position of the administration

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Speaker 2: that you could even put out a reward for the

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Speaker 2: arrest of somebody that would then go to the ICC

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Speaker 2: and would have jurisdiction, So why does not that apply

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Speaker 2: to the current consty.

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Speaker 9: So we have supported the work of the ICC in

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Speaker 9: previous cases. I can't speak to this case because I

639
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Speaker 9: don't know the fundamentals of it. I don't know the

640
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Speaker 9: jurisdictional questions. Ultimately, the main way that the ICC is

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Speaker 9: jurisdiction is if one of the two state parties to

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Speaker 9: a case is a signatory to the Rome Statute and

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Speaker 9: comes in under the ICC's jurisdiction. That is not the case. Here.

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Speaker 9: You have Israel, who course is not a signatory to

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Speaker 9: the ICC, the Palesitnians who do not represent a state

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Speaker 9: at this time time, and so in our view, cannot

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Speaker 9: sign the Rome Statute and become come under the ic

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Speaker 9: C sturt stiction. I can't speak to other cases. I'd

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Speaker 9: have to look into it in more detail.

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Speaker 3: All right, Explain to that, well, what's happening here.

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Speaker 2: So he's basically saying, you need you need all of

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Speaker 2: these different elements. You would need both parties Israel and

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Speaker 2: Palestine to one of one or two of them have

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Speaker 2: to be members of the Rome Statute of the ICC.

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Speaker 2: Palestine is Israel has rejected it.

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Speaker 3: The most moral army in the world. Why would they

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Speaker 3: ever need to be part of that. They're not. We're

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Speaker 3: not part of it either, Ryan, which second most moral

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Speaker 3: in the world.

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Speaker 2: And so you do have you do meet that because

661
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Speaker 2: the Palestinians have signed the Rome Statute through the UN

662
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Speaker 2: because they're like a it's called a.

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Speaker 3: Non members of state or state. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: But what Miller is saying, well, that doesn't count, like

665
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Speaker 2: you have to be a member state in order for

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Speaker 2: your application, in order for your signature on the Rome

667
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Speaker 2: Statute count. Now nobody, nobody else in the world agrees

668
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Speaker 2: with that. The ICC certainly doesn't with that. They believe

669
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Speaker 2: they have jurisdiction here. So what that is essentially saying

670
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Speaker 2: to the Israelis is that there can be no accountability

671
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Speaker 2: through the ICC as long as you don't sign the

672
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Speaker 2: Rome Statute and as long as you prevent the Palestinians

673
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Speaker 2: from gaining statehood. The war that they are currently conducting,

674
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Speaker 2: which the ICJ says is a plausible genocide, in which

675
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Speaker 2: the ICC is saying includes war crimes and crimes against humanity,

676
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Speaker 2: is aimed, according to ntyahu At, preventing Palestine from becoming

677
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Speaker 2: a state, in other words, from preventing Palestine from having

678
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Speaker 2: access to the venues through which they would be prosecuted

679
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Speaker 2: for keeping them from getting statehood. So it's this kind

680
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Speaker 2: of sick circular reasoning where as long as they can

681
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Speaker 2: keep their boot on the neck of the Palestinians and

682
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Speaker 2: keep them from having member state status through the UN,

683
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Speaker 2: then the United States is going to say, well, those

684
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Speaker 2: can't be war crimes.

685
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not a state.

686
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Speaker 2: Even though you're like, wait a minute, these these militia

687
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Speaker 2: leaders and so their argument there would be okay, Well,

688
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Speaker 2: Uganda and Congo signed the ICC, so therefore it's okay.

689
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Speaker 1: But I thought your strongest point was just, hey, you

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Speaker 1: celebrated in the past when he's non ICC or whenever

691
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Speaker 1: it's a nastuate actor, So what's the difference.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, he's like, we have of course you've

693
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Speaker 2: supported the past word the past Africans, Yes, but the

694
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Speaker 2: real one is Russia, because again, Russia is a non

695
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Speaker 2: member party state we all recognize, though the US government

696
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Speaker 2: says at that time, there's no way the Russian courts

697
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Speaker 2: are going to hold Putin exactly accountable, So we're going

698
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Speaker 2: to have to go outside of that.

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Speaker 1: If we believe in this hole. Now by the way,

700
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Speaker 1: as you said, I don't believe this. I think this

701
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Speaker 1: whole sysem is fake and that it is all about

702
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Speaker 1: power and it always has been, even going back to Nuremberg,

703
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Speaker 1: which you know, there are lot of people who didn't

704
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Speaker 1: get to go to Nurmberg because they started working on

705
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Speaker 1: the NASA program.

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Speaker 2: Right, And his whole point falls apart when you go

707
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Speaker 2: back to you Ukraine, because Ukraine is not a yeah

708
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Speaker 2: exactly either. I'll say, well, Ukraine said it was okay

709
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Speaker 2: if we prosecuted Okay, what are you talking about? And

710
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Speaker 2: Ukraine had said like that they would allow some prosecutions

711
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Speaker 2: around the Maydan. So like they're like, so that counts

712
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Speaker 2: that that bring that brings them in. It's like, but okay,

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Speaker 2: Israel also said we will work with the i c

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Speaker 2: C here, so boom. According to that rationale, they would

715
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Speaker 2: then have jurisdiction.

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Speaker 3: Point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ukraine's just like, hey, don't go over to the

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Speaker 1: a's off, you know, just forget about that one.

719
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't. We don't need to open up old

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Speaker 3: wounds all rights.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did a Ukraine did an independent investigation into

722
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Speaker 2: whether or not Maydan was a false flag. Uh huh

723
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Speaker 2: that perpetrated by the far right in the US and

724
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Speaker 2: they never released that report.

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Speaker 1: Oh really interesting, All right, Seinfeld, let's do this quickly.

726
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Speaker 1: This is a funny moment, depending on how you look

727
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Speaker 1: at it. There was a moment here where Jerry Seinfeld,

728
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Speaker 1: whose wife recently has been found to be donating to

729
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Speaker 1: some of those Israel counter protesters you may remember, who

730
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Speaker 1: beat up some of those protesters at the Palestinian encampment

731
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Speaker 1: over at U c l A. And more recently, Seinfeld

732
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Speaker 1: himself has become much more outspoken about pro Israel issues. Well,

733
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Speaker 1: he was interrupted by a protester at his show and

734
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Speaker 1: it led to some serious chaos.

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Speaker 3: So let's go ahead and take a listen.

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Speaker 1: I recommend if you're just listening, I would actually watch

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Speaker 1: this happen because the video really hits it all home.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Jetta side supporter, you're a genocide supporter, honey, time.

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Speaker 5: He let go of him, Let go of him over there.

741
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Speaker 9: You're ruined for everybody else, No good, getiside supporter.

742
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Speaker 5: You're gonna break his neck, all right.

743
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Speaker 1: So we could see their prote audience members attacking the protest.

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Speaker 3: So they said he's going to break his leck.

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld at one point, what did he say, Griffin, something

746
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Speaker 1: along the lines of, you, I love it when the

747
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Speaker 1: jew haters always I love the jew hater. Yeah, I

748
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Speaker 1: love when the Jewish haters spiced up the show.

749
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Speaker 2: And then he finished by kind of mockingly saying like, yeah,

750
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Speaker 2: SA saved the children. I'm going to finish the show

751
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: and say, right, save the children of Gaza. Okay, So

752
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Speaker 2: that's what has happened. I find this amusing. I just

753
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Speaker 2: did a whole monologue that's part of the words when

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Speaker 2: we want to talk about this where Seinfeld has been

755
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Speaker 2: convinced now but woke ism is what is destroying comedy,

756
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, I think he would have had

757
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Speaker 2: a point, you know, maybe ten years ago, but at

758
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Speaker 2: this point. Actually, and I did my monologue comparing Seinfeld's comments,

759
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Speaker 2: immediately followed by the Tom Brady roast and the you know,

760
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Speaker 2: Shane gillis hosting.

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Speaker 3: SNL after their fine.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I opened up my Netflix app like two

763
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Speaker 1: days ago, and Shane has a new comedy series which

764
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Speaker 1: has come on Netflix, and there he's like the star

765
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Speaker 1: of the show from what I understand. So anyway, I

766
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Speaker 1: guess I'm looking at this and I'm like, yeah, man,

767
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Speaker 1: I don't really see that anymore. I think you had

768
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Speaker 1: a point at one point. But it seems interesting that

769
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Speaker 1: you're starting to say these things at the exact moment

770
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Speaker 1: about what's going down in Israel where it appears to

771
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Speaker 1: be that you care a whole lot about what's happening. Right,

772
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: so insane ten years ago when Luis c k and

773
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Speaker 1: all these other people are getting canceled, But you know,

774
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Speaker 1: when your wife's given money to a bunch of people

775
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: were beating people up in UCLA.

776
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Speaker 2: Now now the woke left is out of control. Yeah,

777
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: that is an interesting point, and I might be in them.

778
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Speaker 2: I'm probably in the minority on this on the left

779
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: when it comes to this opinion. But if I would say,

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Speaker 2: leave Jerry steinfeldt alone, interesting, So what do you mean

781
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Speaker 2: by that? I mean, by the way I agree with

782
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Speaker 2: you bout Seinfeld is clearly an outspoken supporter of Israel.

783
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Speaker 2: His wife has donated to do these counter protests, so

784
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Speaker 2: he has like actively gotten himself involved in this conflict.

785
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Speaker 2: But I think the average American who's watching it doesn't

786
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: know those details. And it's and it's and it's just

787
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: going to say, like, why are people yelling at Jerry

788
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: sivil just because he's Jewish? And it will if you

789
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: know the details, you're like, no, no, it's not anti submity.

790
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: They have these particular grievances that are not related to

791
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: him being Jewish, but for the average person, they don't

792
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: know about that, and so it's going to feed into

793
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Speaker 2: that criticism certainly. I mean, you can't buckle to all

794
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: of all of the misperceptions out there, but sometimes you

795
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: can like make some tactical adjustment.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you at all, especially because Jerry

797
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: is not a person in actually any power, right, it's

798
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Speaker 1: a serious influence on policy.

799
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Speaker 3: It's just Jerry Seinfeld, now, you.

800
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Speaker 1: Know, like when he's talking about comedy, then sure I'll

801
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: do them a logue being like, yeah, I think he's

802
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: totally wrong, you know, in X, Y and Z. But

803
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm not, like, I have no under illusion that Jerry

804
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: Seinfeld is like affecting US policy.

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Speaker 3: Now, if you're a U.

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Speaker 1: S Secretary of State, I have no sympathy for you, right,

807
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Speaker 1: and people are going to interrupt you.

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Speaker 2: The only the only amendment that would be that his

809
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: wife is affecting things by donating to those counter protesters,

810
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Speaker 2: but then protest his wife.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, well it's not like she's making

812
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Speaker 1: policy statements.

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Speaker 2: My colleague, my colleague saying over the interscept I said

814
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Speaker 2: that let's all give a thanks to Larry David for

815
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Speaker 2: that waying and publicly we must we must keep curb

816
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Speaker 2: your enthusiasm from being politicized. It's the one thing we

817
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Speaker 2: can all agree on.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, though, Larry himself became a very anti Trump boomer

820
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Speaker 1: for a while.

821
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Speaker 3: Apparently he was caused in a funny way, not really, he.

822
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Speaker 1: Was called he refused to speak to Alan Derschwitz at

823
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Speaker 1: the chill Mark Library on Martha's Vineyard, which was it

824
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Speaker 1: just blew up.

825
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Speaker 3: He didn't refuse to speak to me. He came up

826
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Speaker 3: to him in a restaurant. That also happened.

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Speaker 1: It was tiring Martha's Vineyard apart. We just we cannot

828
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Speaker 1: have we cannot have this on Martha's Vineyard. It's supposed

829
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Speaker 1: to be a place for Kamala Harris and for you know,

830
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Speaker 1: former Trump administration officials to mix the cocktail party. That's

831
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Speaker 1: if we can't have that, that's what America is all

832
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Speaker 1: about for the ultra rich to seclude themselves away to

833
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Speaker 1: rule the world. Okay, what lack David does in Martha's vineyard,

834
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Speaker 1: I forgive him, yeah, but I forgive him. You know,

835
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Speaker 1: he's given so much to America. Ryan, you have a

836
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Speaker 1: booked a great guest for us, bilaal Hammoud, let's get

837
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Speaker 1: to it.

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Speaker 2: On Friday, a group of Arab Americans met with Secretary

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Speaker 2: of State Anthony Blincoln. One of those Arab Americans who

840
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Speaker 2: met with him was bilal Hamood, who is the executive

841
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Speaker 2: director of the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.

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Speaker 3: He joined us. Now, Bela, also, can you hold.

843
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Speaker 2: Up for us what you were just showing us right

844
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Speaker 2: before we started this interview.

845
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Speaker 8: We got ourselves a classic breaking points mug are.

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Speaker 1: There you go, made in the USA Union. So thank you,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you, Belave.

848
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Speaker 3: You love to see it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Belall, on Friday you had this meeting for

850
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Speaker 2: how long was it scheduled for?

851
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Speaker 3: How did the meeting come about? And how long did

852
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Speaker 3: it end up going.

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Speaker 8: A good question. Just to clarify, I represent the American

854
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Speaker 8: Air Chamber of Commerce, not the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.

855
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Speaker 8: The meeting was scheduled with Lincoln's office for forty five minutes.

856
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Speaker 8: We ended up going nearly two hours, discussing the various

857
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Speaker 8: issues and talking points that had been brought up, and

858
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Speaker 8: going well beyond that, pushing on the administration for action,

859
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Speaker 8: action that I don't think we saw in any capacity.

860
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Speaker 2: What were the debates internally about whether or not to

861
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Speaker 2: even take the meeting and did some refuse to show up.

862
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Speaker 2: How many people were in this two hour meeting with

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Speaker 2: Blncoln Friday, It.

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Speaker 8: Was about six individuals from both sides, the administration and

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Speaker 8: the of American community. There's always a discussion about whether

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Speaker 8: there's value in coming to the table, and it's one

867
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Speaker 8: that we discussed quite a bit just understand if this

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Speaker 8: was the right discussion to have. And I think in

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Speaker 8: past there have been campaigns, staff and officials that have

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Speaker 8: come trying to discuss this from an electoral stance, and

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Speaker 8: as many have said before, it's not a time for

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Speaker 8: electoral politics. But this was a discussion with the Secretary

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Speaker 8: of State leading us to believe there may be some

874
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 8: room for action and some opportunity to discuss the issue

875
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 8: and actually see a ceasefire at least some semblance of

876
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 8: a plan, give us some insight that there's a direction

877
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 8: this administration is heading in which we can feel confident

878
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 8: that something is being put together. And that was not

879
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 8: the case. That there wasn't even an indication that it's

880
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 8: a priority for there to be in a mediate solution.

881
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: So your takeaway was that there was not only you

882
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: know that they were listening to for electoral purposes, but

883
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: that on a policy level, that nothing was going to change.

884
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 8: Following that meeting. Correct, I didn't see any indication that

885
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 8: there was a plan in place, and that was one

886
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 8: of the questions I posed. Just at the end of

887
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 8: that discussion. I stated that I'm here representing Michigan, representing

888
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 8: my community, representing decades of years of partnership with this administration.

889
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 8: The go well beyond me, and not just tens of

890
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 8: thousands of folks who worked dilligently to get this administration

891
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 8: I liked it in twenty twenty, but hundreds of thousands

892
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 8: that voted. And this is not just Arab and Muslim Americans.

893
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 8: This is its allies, its partners, its friends, the communities

894
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 8: from all ethnic backgrounds, communities and cultures and religions that

895
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 8: it is spent decades building authentic relationships with and so

896
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 8: I tried to ensure that coming from Michigan and being

897
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 8: the only one at that table representing an organization from Michigan,

898
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 8: that there was a takeaway that there was something that

899
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 8: made this meeting worth it, that led us to believe

900
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 8: that this was something that respected those years of partnerships.

901
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 8: And that wasn't the case. We didn't see that any

902
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 8: of that was honored and valued and taken to a

903
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 8: point where we would see a ceasefire or see any

904
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 8: indication that the plan was being put together. In fact,

905
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 8: it seemed like instead of that, there was just obstacles

906
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 8: being put in the way.

907
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 5: Wow.

908
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: So one of the live issues has been the US

909
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: posture toward Palestinian statehood at at the UN, which the

910
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: US urged everybody to vote against. And we were talking earlier.

911
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: You told me that you brought that up with him.

912
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: What was how did you bring that up? And what

913
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: was what was his response there? How did he explain

914
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: the US rationale?

915
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

916
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 7: Right?

917
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 8: And I wrote from our discussion, well, I told you

918
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 8: that the way that the UN issue was brought up

919
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 8: was centered around what is going to be the way

920
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 8: that US resolves this restores its reputation of being a peacemaker, right,

921
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 8: because that is at the core of I think what

922
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 8: they're thinking is next steps. They don't care about reaching

923
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 8: the solution, or at least we're not seeing indications that

924
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 8: there is a goal for that. But I asked, how

925
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 8: do you plan on restoring that dynamic and being able

926
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 8: to come out on as that peacemaker once again and

927
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 8: showcasing that those the relationships weren't just burned. And I

928
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 8: didn't get too much of an indication that there was

929
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 8: an acknowledgment that the relationships needed to be restored, but

930
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 8: nothing beyond that. And so I made it very clear

931
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 8: that the US obviously has the keys for an immediate

932
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 8: cea spire and immediate resolution, and then some for what

933
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 8: we need to see. And so when the topic of

934
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 8: statehood got brought up, we had asked for both a

935
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 8: free and independent Palestine, a statehood and a seat at

936
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 8: the UN Security Council table, and the response was disappointing

937
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 8: because it made the comparison to well, first and foremost,

938
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 8: that a vote for a Palestinian statehood from the US

939
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 8: would lead to the defunding of the from the US.

940
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 8: Being its primary funder. But then the example brought up

941
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 8: was that it would be within the right of the

942
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 8: UN to then cut programs like the World Food Program.

943
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 8: And so the fact that the comparison was made that

944
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 8: the world would have to go hungry just like the

945
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 8: Gozzens are, and the fact that it's US policy to

946
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 8: starve the world if Palestinians have a free state, regardless

947
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 8: of if that's the law or not, is indicative of

948
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 8: something severely wrong.

949
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

950
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Anthony Blinken said, we have to oppose Palestinian

951
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: statehood or else the World Food Program budget will be

952
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: cut and people will starve around the world. Like that's

953
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: the Secretary of State's assessment that he's making to you guys.

954
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: In this meeting.

955
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 8: The example was given that if the UN had to

956
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 8: cut its funding, it would have to cut programs like

957
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 8: the World Food Program, and that was the example shared,

958
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 8: followed by the explanation that then the world would have

959
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 8: to starve as the Gozens are. And so that is

960
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 8: not the comparison you make to make an argue and

961
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 8: for why Oustingens should not have a free state.

962
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: Wow, Bill out.

963
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: My question here is about some reach out from the

964
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: Trump campaign. I saw news just yesterday that Donald Trump's

965
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: campaign affiliate Richard Grenell is holding leaders with Arab Americans

966
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: in Michigan actually sometime this week. I'm curious if you

967
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: think that, you know, so called disaffected Michigan Arab voters

968
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: and or leaders are going to entertain this reach out

969
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: from the Trump campaign.

970
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: What do you make of it?

971
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 8: I think the onus is not on the voters, It's

972
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 8: on the candidate to earn the vote, and at this

973
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 8: point neither have.

974
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: All Right, Yeah, have you heard among other chairmier of

975
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: commerce types of whether or not they're going to take

976
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: Grenelle up on this?

977
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 8: No, I can't speak to it. I'm not familiar with

978
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 8: what the discussion currently is and if the conversation will

979
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 8: be had. But from a inside looking out perspective, having

980
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 8: the discussion is always beneficial if it can lead to

981
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 8: some action. But if this is going to center around

982
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 8: electoral politics and not giving the community some guarantees and

983
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 8: some confidence this administration or otherwise that there's going to

984
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 8: be some action and steps taken forward, I don't see

985
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 8: much manifestation of productive meetings at this point.

986
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: I also wanted to just ask your overall impression of

987
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: the meeting with the Secretary of State and how it

988
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: compared to your expectations going in, and what was the

989
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: what was the overall what was it the overall tone

990
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: and vibe that you think the Secretary of State was

991
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: trying to send.

992
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 8: I think the tone going in and the thought process

993
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 8: was that this could be an opportunity for the administration

994
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 8: to have a reason to take action, right say that

995
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 8: you've met with this group, you've met with the community,

996
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 8: and now you need to take action. We were hoping

997
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 8: some level of justification. Now there's no naive nature to

998
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 8: the folks that were at that table. We understood what

999
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 8: we were getting ourselves into, but there was some hope,

1000
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 8: at least some that something would come from it. The

1001
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 8: tone in the meeting ended up centering more around addressing

1002
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 8: those specific policy points and concerns like respecting the territorial

1003
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 8: boundaries of Lebanon, preventing this from becoming more regional and

1004
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 8: from things like two thousand and six repeating itself and

1005
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 8: impacting the nation because we're getting there. And then that

1006
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 8: was at a point that I had shared a story

1007
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 8: from my past where me and my family were in

1008
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 8: Lebanon at that point and had to be evacuated via

1009
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 8: the military camps because the airport had been blown up,

1010
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 8: and we are getting to that point, that level of escalation.

1011
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 8: So the asks were being made and the responses didn't

1012
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 8: still much confidence that there was anything besides a logical

1013
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 8: response given, but not a pathetic, not based in humanity,

1014
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 8: and not one that would carry if you were to

1015
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 8: look at it with a microscope. Just one that is

1016
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 8: the traditional talking points that are given. And so the

1017
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 8: tone didn't feel productive. As much as there were conversations

1018
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 8: had and the table did have a back and forth dialogue,

1019
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 8: there wasn't any promises given or any commitments made.

1020
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: If you knew now what you knew back then when

1021
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: you were asked to meet, would you still have met?

1022
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Like was it was it worth it? Was it useful?

1023
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 8: It was disappointing, it was not worth it, And going

1024
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 8: forward discussions that need to be had, there are no

1025
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 8: more discussions to be had. I think at this point

1026
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 8: it's clear what needs to be done. The administration knows

1027
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 8: it had known, but now especially the only way forward

1028
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 8: is through action, and so at this point that's the

1029
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 8: only thing we can see as a next step towards

1030
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 8: any sort of relationship with the administration or others going forward.

1031
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 8: And again, I think this isn't just the air of

1032
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 8: American community and Muslim community, but far beyond that, the

1033
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 8: allies and folks and relationships that have been built over

1034
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 8: those decades that feel the same. Right, It's not just

1035
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 8: this community in Michigan, it's across the US, across the globe,

1036
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 8: and so that sentiment I believe is shared globally.

1037
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, we appreciate you your time, Bill, I'll

1038
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: appreciate the mug as well.

1039
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 3: Send you a new one. We'll check in. Yeah, we'll

1040
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: send you a new one.

1041
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 4: Appreciate you.

1042
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 8: No, thanks for having me all We'll see absolutely.

1043
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: All right.

1044
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: So, also kind of related to this entire question, we

1045
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: wanted to do a quick follow up to the reporting

1046
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: that we did over the last couple of weeks around

1047
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 2: the third Congressional district race that's going on today in Portland, Oregon.

1048
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: It pits Maxine Dexter, a doctor who has the support

1049
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: of a lot of APACT owners, against Sushila Jayapaul, who

1050
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: is Primila Giapaul's an older sister.

1051
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 4: Wo.

1052
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: So we've reported over the last couple of weeks that

1053
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: the dark money flowing into this race, to the tune

1054
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars, had links to APAC and APEX network.

1055
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: We were able to firmly demonstrate that enormous amount of

1056
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: money flowing into her campaign was coming directly from APACK donors.

1057
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: They structured these dark money superpacks such that they wouldn't

1058
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: have to release their donors until May twentieth, which was yesterday,

1059
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 2: the day before the election, which is not enough time

1060
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: for any campaign to do anything with, especially when you

1061
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: have a state like Oregon, which is mail balloting, so

1062
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: everybody's pretty much already voted by the time it has happened. However,

1063
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: it's still interesting to look at the disclosures. One of

1064
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: the dark money super PACs spending all sending millions against

1065
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 2: Sushila Jayapaul was called Voters for Responsive Government. It was

1066
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: created on April first, which is the day after it

1067
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: would have been required to disclosed donors earlier, so that

1068
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: it didn't have to disclose until Yester say so, let's

1069
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: put up their FEC filing here so that we can

1070
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: all figure out. Okay, there's not enough time yet to

1071
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: do much with this information, but let's look at the filing.

1072
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: Well wait a minute, what is that If you're listening

1073
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: to this on the podcast, this organization filed a multi

1074
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: page report with nothing but a bunch of goose eggs

1075
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: on it, just zeros in every single form, and so

1076
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: they have met the letter of the law that in

1077
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: this sense that they have filed their paperwork with the FEC,

1078
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: but they have disclosed literally zero. So what is going

1079
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: to happen here is that at some point the FEC

1080
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: will probably get around to fining them for not filing

1081
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: accurate information. They will later file an amendment and then

1082
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: they will pay whatever fine the FEC declarre, you know,

1083
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: deems that is necessary. That could be weeks, it could

1084
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: be months, could be years.

1085
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: For all we for all we know, we just have

1086
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: no idea how much their money.

1087
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: Basically just you just we know the amount of money

1088
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: we just won't know, like who wow. Now the other

1089
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: dark money super pac three fourteen three fourteen action Fund

1090
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: disclosed some but not all of its donors because the

1091
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Speaker 2: amount of money that they spent does not equal the

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00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: amount that they disclosed for having raised in April. So

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Speaker 2: clearly they were able to push some of it into May,

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Speaker 2: which means they'll have to disclose it like June twentieth,

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Speaker 2: but we do know one of the donors is Robert Granniery,

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Speaker 2: who is a major A Pack donor, gave through hundreds

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Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars to the A Pack super Pack

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Speaker 2: in October. Also, interestingly, according to this finally, he gave

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Speaker 2: about five hundred thousand dollars to Women Vote, which is

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Speaker 2: the Emily's List pack, and that money appears to have

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Speaker 2: been earmarked against Dave min which is this other A

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Speaker 2: Pack race that they were running in California. And so

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Speaker 2: the other the five hundred thousand dollars donor was Michael

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Speaker 2: Blueberg we just learned about yesterday.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna learn much.

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Speaker 2: More on June twentieth, when three fourteen Action has to

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Speaker 2: disclose its may donors. By then the primary will be

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Speaker 2: well over because it is today, so you can watch

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Speaker 2: the Oregon primary results come in tonight. It's basically a

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Speaker 2: three way race between two candidates who wanted a PAC

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Speaker 2: support Eddie Morrahilson Maxine Dexter. Maxine Dexter won it against

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Speaker 2: Sushila Giapaul. The millions in spending against Giapaul and four

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Speaker 2: Dexter is very likely to have tipped this race. However,

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Speaker 2: because of the reporting that we did, the local press

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Speaker 2: did pick up on.

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Speaker 3: The fact that this was a PAC money.

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Speaker 2: It's a low turnout, it's an educated and it's an

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Speaker 2: edge caated electorate that is following the news pretty closely.

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Speaker 2: So they they may they may rebel against the idea

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Speaker 2: that APAC can come in.

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Speaker 3: We'll find out. You get to cover it tomorrow on counterpoints.

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Speaker 3: We will definitely cover it tomorrow on counterpoints.

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Speaker 1: All right, We will have they will have a great

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Speaker 1: counterpoints show for everybody tomorrow. We will have a great

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Speaker 1: show for everybody on Thursday, and we will see you

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Speaker 1: all later