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Speaker 1: Everybody. It's Luke combs birthday today. So we wanted to

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Speaker 1: share this episode of the Bobby Cast that you might

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Speaker 1: have missed back from twenty twenty, right before the world

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Speaker 1: shut down. I mean, I remember Luke being at my

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Speaker 1: house and sitting there, chatted it up, and right before

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Speaker 1: we get record, We're like, man, nothing I'll ever stop us.

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Speaker 1: But it did. But this is right before then. This

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Speaker 1: is Luke. He just had come off SNL and his

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Speaker 1: SNL debut. He talks about finding out he was a

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Speaker 1: musical guest, I mean just a week and a half

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Speaker 1: out and the guy at a record label who told

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Speaker 1: him he needed to go back and write better songs,

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Speaker 1: so let's do it. Luke Combs also stories behind his

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Speaker 1: first seven songs. It all went number one. Happy birthday,

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Speaker 1: Luke Combs. Here's Luke Combs a little incase you missed it,

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Speaker 1: episode two sixty six of the Bobby Cast. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to episode two twenty six with Luke Combs. Good

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Speaker 1: to see it, Mikewise. I know you've been home in

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Speaker 1: a while, so I appreciate I got a text from me,

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Speaker 1: like I didn't know it's gonna take an hour to

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Speaker 1: get here. Yeah, yeah, so he gets a decent way

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Speaker 1: because you text me. I finished working out and I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, Luke, Luke's gonna be here, and like

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Speaker 1: so I was throwing on clothes. You're like, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: live so far away? Yeah, yeah, when did that happen

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Speaker 1: for you? Did you? We actually able to buy some

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Speaker 1: landing and yeah, it was probably just about a year ago.

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Speaker 1: So I've been in my house just over a year now.

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Speaker 1: So does it feel like home? It does? It does

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Speaker 1: now for sure. It definitely didn't when we moved there,

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Speaker 1: to be anywhere else now. Isn't Furniture the worst? Yes,

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Speaker 1: because you just don't expect it to be that expensive.

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Speaker 1: to my house. Like, I just don't understand, especially for

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Speaker 1: a nice one. Right. If you would think they could

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Speaker 1: and again, I live in a pretty nice house for now,

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Speaker 1: and but to fill it up with crap. I'm not

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Speaker 1: even in most of my rooms, right, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: if you are you in most of your owns? Nope,

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Speaker 1: not at all. And I don't want to leave them

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Speaker 1: you can't. Refrigerators suck. Refrigerators are mine just broke recently,

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Speaker 1: I've got a vehicle that's getting I'm they're now giving

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Speaker 1: My TV does that with Netflix? Like, I already just

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Speaker 1: do it. And it's not insanely expensive or anything. Um,

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00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: it's just like a series of firewalls. I'm just saying firewalls,

427
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: Like I know what that is, by the way, and

428
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 1: we're just question that just sounds like the thing that

429
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: it should be. So and they sound scary. So I

430
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 1: was talking to Ronnie Dunne. Him and I become pretty

431
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: good buzz in the last six months or so. Yeah,

432
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: and he and I didn't know this story, but he

433
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: credits you with pretty much making that whole reboot album

434
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: for them happen. Yeah, I've heard that. So here is

435
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a brand New Man with Luke

436
00:20:52,680 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: and Brooks and done. Here you go. So how did

437
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: this come together? In your mind? The story I've heard is,

438
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: so their manager, Clarence Spalding is friends with my manager, Cappy,

439
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,239
Speaker 1: the guy that cried on the show, and we were

440
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: at a show I believe it was at Joe's Bar

441
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: in Chicago, probably three years ago or so. We had

442
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: a show there and Clarence had come or he was

443
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: in town or something, and it had linked up with Cappy.

444
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 1: Cappy was there and he came and watched the show

445
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: and stuff, and we did that cover a Brand New Man,

446
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: and I talked about in the set how much Brooks

447
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: and Doune meant to me and how much they had

448
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: influenced my career. And I had no idea what Clarence

449
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: was there, but I had just been doing that every night, like, hey,

450
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: I grew up listen to these guys. They really shaped

451
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: the music that I want to make and things that

452
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: I want to do. And I guess that kind of

453
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: sparked the idea within him, like, hey, there's probably a

454
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: lot out of other artists around my age that grew

455
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: up listening to Brooks and dunn Um which is you

456
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,719
Speaker 1: know which happened to be the truth. If you were

457
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: to Mount Rushmore artists, which is four and we'll do

458
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: we'll do fun, we'll do five total, five of your life,

459
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: they have to country. They can they can be freaking

460
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: any they can be Mozart anyone. Yeah, you get to

461
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore because and as you think, I'll just kind

462
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: of walk you that would put Garth John Mayer on mine.

463
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: I'd put Ben Folds, I put so it can be,

464
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: it can be from wherever you want. Okay, So who

465
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: would be the first artist on your Mount Rushmore? Like

466
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: of like influence or like you just you raw taln

467
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: there no, not raw talent, but influence you your favorite?

468
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: Probably Elton John, Okay, was where I would go first,

469
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: for sure, Elton John. All Right, Billy Joel, are you

470
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: a piano player? I'm not? Those are your first two. Yeah,

471
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 1: they're so keys. There's there's just like just the songs

472
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: are so great. I've always loved keys. I'm not smart

473
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: enough to play piano, I don't think. Um, I've just

474
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: been honest with myself about that. I've tried and it's

475
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: just not there. You know, I'm not a big technical musician, um,

476
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 1: which is why I'm just able to strum enough chords

477
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: to write songs and play a couple of them at

478
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: the show. But it would definitely be those guys, you know,

479
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: Tom Petty, Tom Petty for sure, Brooks and Dunn would

480
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: be on there for me. One spot left. That's tough.

481
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: That's tough, man. That's hard, you know, because I you know,

482
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: I did go four spots really quick. Um, I'm trying

483
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: to think of who I just I mean, there were

484
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: so many different phases of my music listening since since

485
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: that age. UM. I would, Man, it's hard for me

486
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: to go against an edge hearing at this at this stage,

487
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: I just think the amount of work that he does,

488
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: the size of the tours that he does, the quality

489
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 1: of everything he puts out in the volume is just

490
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: pretty staggering, and there's not really anybody doing much like that.

491
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Have you met. Let's just kind of go back to

492
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: your first people. Have you met Elton John I have not.

493
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna a low key flex here. He kissed me

494
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: on the mouth once. That's awesome. It was the greatest.

495
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I was sitting next to him at

496
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: a charity event. He was showing me pictures of his kid.

497
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: He had just adopted this kid. Yeah, and he's like

498
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: these in pictures some more and he's going up to play.

499
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: It's like two hundred people there, and he's like all right,

500
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: and he goes out the plane. He grabs in my

501
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: head and just planting on my face. I was like,

502
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: that's freaking amaze. You're like whatever, I'm in. I am,

503
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm in whatever you want whatever, Yeah, I'm in. I

504
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: would have done the same thing. Have you Billy Joel?

505
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I have not meant Billy Joel Favorite Billy Joel song

506
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: scenes from an Italian restaurant. Nice. Wow, that's my favorite Bility.

507
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: That's how you know you're a hardcore Billy Joel fan. Yes,

508
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: that because that song is it's all over the place.

509
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's I feel like it

510
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: was three different songs that he just kind of I

511
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 1: think I think I've heard that story, but maybe I mean,

512
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: I may be making that up. Don't quote me on that,

513
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: but I've not meant Billy Joel. I would like to.

514
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends that are big Billy

515
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: Joel fans, and most of them picked this as their favorite.

516
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Now me, I'm a middle of the road. I've seen

517
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: him through a four times sure, and I would always

518
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: go with Listen if you if piano manage your favorite,

519
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: which is one of mine, you're not as hardcore? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

520
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: I love piano man, I love it. Yeah, but you're

521
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: a hardcore. Like if you come to me and you

522
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: say your favorite John Mayer song is Daughters, I'm like,

523
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: you're not a hardcore m exactly. Like you can be

524
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: a middle of the road John Mayoric exactly, But no

525
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: real John Mayer fan picks Daughters or or bubble Dum

526
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: tongue does not find you pick as Okay, So those two. Um,

527
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: Tom Petty, have you seen the five hour documentary? I

528
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: have not, dude, and I want to see it. You

529
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: can't watch it in one setting obviously, And just have

530
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 1: this like thing that hurts my hard a little bit

531
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: about Tom Petty because I know we hated country music

532
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: and that hurts me a lot. So somebody was in

533
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: recently talking about oh Ronnie Dunn talking about him and

534
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: Tom Petty because Tom Petty was like a was like

535
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: a punk guy. Yeah. He talks about Tom Petty when

536
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: he met him as being a guy guy who was

537
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: playing punk music. Yeah. But I just think there is

538
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: a a misunderstanding to a lot of people at what

539
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: country music means, certainly because I think Tom Petty would

540
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: be a country artist now. I agree with that statement, yes,

541
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: because it's such a broad term now, and and to

542
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: dislike something artistic because of a taste you have of it,

543
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: I believe is unfair. It's like saying you don't like bread.

544
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: It's such a huge thing. There's so many different car cheese,

545
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, which I'm currently vegan, which is horrible. But

546
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: what do you mean current into that currently vegan. It's

547
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: odd that someone just goes for a minute, I lost

548
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: a bet. I lost a bet. It's it's a whole

549
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: thing going I lost a bet and I'm given a

550
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: charity a lot. You know, it's like a lifestyle. It

551
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: is a thing. I mean, it's like it'll definitely be beneficial.

552
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: You know who did you bet with my keys player?

553
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: And what was your side of the bet? Though? Head? Okay,

554
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: so it's it's this is the oddest, very oddest seed

555
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: into a bet. So I'm a big Carolina Panthers fan,

556
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: huge die hard. I was living in Charlotte, where was

557
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: I in nineteen ninety six, cheering for the Panthers in

558
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: the first year. Yeah, and he's a big Atlanta Falcons fan.

559
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: So we played each other twice a year in the

560
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: same division. Obviously, there's a lot of pride involved. At

561
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: the time of the bet being made, the Panthers were

562
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: five and two. I don't think they won another game.

563
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: Was this pre Cam getting hurt? No, this is Kyle

564
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Allen had won three straight I think Cam was out

565
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: in the second game or first game. Um. But Kyle

566
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: Allen came in won three or four straight games. Um.

567
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, we're gonna smash the

568
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Falcons because they were two and eleven by the time

569
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: we played them. They were two and eleven and and

570
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: so I was like, and the Falcons just absolutely destroyed,

571
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: like dismantled the Anthers, like beat us. I think it

572
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: was like thirty four to seven or something. But of

573
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: all the terms of a bet, he picked you being

574
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: vegan if he won. Yes, yes, well I hadn't made

575
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: that bet previously with Cappy. So with Panthers played the

576
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Panthers won and Cappy had to shave

577
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: his beard off or I had to go vegan. Luckily

578
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: I won the vet the bet. But it's like to me,

579
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: it's like there's nothing like really fun about like betting

580
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: money on stuff. You know, why is everybody picking you

581
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: to go vegan? Like that's two different people with the

582
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: same bet. I think they see me in there, like

583
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: this guy loves eating red meat and going hunting and

584
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: doing which is a true statement, but I think it's

585
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: something that like people think that I can't do, you know,

586
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: like they're like, no way he can do that, And

587
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm like a super prideful guy. So I'm on, I'm

588
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: only on day three. I'm having how long dift to go?

589
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Three months? Oh? You bet three months on a single game? Yeah?

590
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: And what was his life if? Okay, so he cut off?

591
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: What's happening here this bet? Well? So so he's balda

592
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: but he has he can grow like the I call

593
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: it the pap hap this circle the circle, so he

594
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: keeps his head shaved and wears a hat. His bat

595
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: was he had to grow his hair out for three

596
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: months and couldn't wear a hat. So it was a

597
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: very extreme. So it had to be like he had

598
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: to match that with something that he felt was equally

599
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: as extreme and better on one game, better on one game.

600
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: We almost doubled down on the second game, which I'm

601
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: glad we didn't because we lost that game too. Then

602
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: what happened? You don't eat for three months, I just

603
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: would have been gandhi and nothing. I think it would

604
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: have been six months a vegan at that point. And

605
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: have you noticed your body being any different? It's only

606
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: been three days. I'm definitely not as tired sitting watch

607
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: you become a vegan like like Rick Rubin vegan. That happened.

608
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: That happened to my, uh my utility player. Are you

609
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: just eating no vegan or you no belts you live

610
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: in the lifestyle or what? No, I'm not living the lifestyle.

611
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm not living the like. No, like I'm I would

612
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: go hunt tomorrow if it was hunting season, for sure.

613
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not buying into the like. You know, we

614
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: usually send everybody home with the rack of ribs, but

615
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just man. You could do like a

616
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: rack of like lentil or something like that would be great.

617
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't so we got on that front a funny

618
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: bet though we went Tom Petty to veganism. Yeah, and again,

619
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: if Tom Petty were around now and making new music,

620
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: he would be on that rock getry Cusp definitely. And

621
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: I think had you know as a kid, when you

622
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: were singing songs, was it country music for you or

623
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: was it a mix of a little like what was

624
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: it in your mind that you wanted to sing because

625
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: you were singing? I was singing, and it was when

626
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I was living in Charlotte, it was country and that

627
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: was it was country, and like my parents were listening.

628
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: So like my mom loved like Tom Petty, John Mellencamp,

629
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: that kind of was the kind of stuff my mom loved.

630
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: My dad loved led Zepp when the who I mean

631
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: those were classic rock on the radio type live Yeah,

632
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: but mostly listening to country radio, okay at that because

633
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: my mom loved country too, she grew up listening to

634
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: that as well. And so at that time, I was,

635
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, you mostly go around with your mom. When

636
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: you're a young child, you know dad's working or he's

637
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: out doing something on the weekend to make extra money.

638
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: Kind of think that's what my dad was doing. So

639
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in the car with

640
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: my mom, and so she was listening to country radio.

641
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: So I listened to Vince Gill. I mean that. I

642
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: mean that cassette tape was burned through a thousand times.

643
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: Hard working Man Brooks and Dunne Tracy Chapman album from

644
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: like I think it's from like nineteen eighty eight, is that,

645
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: like give me one reason? Tracy Chapman No Fast Car,

646
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: the first first album. And listen to that all the

647
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: time with my dad. That's what kind of went me

648
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: and my dad would listen. My dad has never been

649
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: a huge country fan, except for Dwight Yoakum. Listened to

650
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: a ton of Dwight Yoakum with my dad and and

651
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: I was listening. And then when we moved from Charlotte

652
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: to Asheville, it just kind of stopped, Like I just

653
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: my mom just stopped listening to country music for whatever reason.

654
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: That was. So when you're eight, you really don't have

655
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: your own taste in or for music. Yet you're just

656
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: kind of like, whatever's on is what I'm listening to.

657
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: You're not going and buying albums and finding stuff that

658
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: you like. You're just kind of listening to what your

659
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: parents are listening to. And so my mom was just

660
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: she stopped listening to country radio at that time. I'm

661
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: not exactly sure why. And so I didn't really listen

662
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: from then until my freshman year of college. I mean,

663
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: so there was ten years where I just I didn't

664
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: listen to country like at all. As you're a kid,

665
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: what is a you're singing? Do you have an eight

666
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: year old rath? Or did? When? Did it? Like when

667
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: you no? I was, I was. I had a really

668
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: high voice when I was little, So I was. I

669
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: mean I was and Vince Gill, you know, I mean

670
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: killing that stuff. Uh. And then I just got in

671
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: I always liked singing. I always getting trouble in class

672
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: for humming or you know, talking or or I was

673
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: just constantly making noise. Uh. And then and then I

674
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: found a you know, a channel for that through chorus class.

675
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: And like the sixth grade, they made us they made

676
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: us take every elective in the sixth grade, So you

677
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: took like art and homeck and jim and and and

678
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: chorus and band, and you took all of those classes

679
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: U and then so when I went to pick my

680
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: electives for the next year, I picked all my electives

681
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: were always gim and chorus class. That was it. When

682
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: you started singing, Was it duck to water for you?

683
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: It was, But I didn't know it at the time.

684
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like I just liked doing it.

685
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: But I didn't think. I thought it was just you

686
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: don't understand that there's I just never thought of doing

687
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: something like this, you know. It wasn't like I was

688
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: the kid that was like, I'm gonna go be Garth Brooks,

689
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this or that. I never had that

690
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: intention in mind at a young age. And I know

691
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people who do you know they heard

692
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: at Tricia Yearwood song and went, I'm gonna be Tricia Yearwood.

693
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: That's what I want to do. I just never thought

694
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: of that as an option. I was playing sports. I

695
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: was horrible at sports, but I was playing sports. I

696
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: like doing that, and I was just singing because it

697
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: was something to do that I liked to do, you know.

698
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: I was just I mean, at that point in time,

699
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: truly just living my life. You know. I wasn't playing

700
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: for the future at that time, and I didn't really

701
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: know I was any good until like ninth grade, probably

702
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: until I went to high school and my course teacher

703
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you're pretty good, you know, And I

704
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: was like, cool, that's good because I like I like

705
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: doing it, so it's cool that I'm good at it,

706
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: you know, And then I sang. I was in course

707
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: class every day of high school from ninth grade to

708
00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: time I graduated. You play football horribly? I was horrible? Really? Yeah?

709
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: And what position do you play in? Defensive tackle? Did

710
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: you like hitting? Loved hitting? Um? I didn't have I

711
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: didn't really have the quickness, per se or the aggression.

712
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't like an aggressive guy, so but I loved

713
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: hitting people. You weren't singing Vince Gill like I wasn't

714
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: singing Vince Gill in high school in line, No, I wasn't. Um.

715
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: I always you know, It's funny. I played rugby in college,

716
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: which I was good at and I did enjoy a lot,

717
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: But I loved I always wanted to. I was like

718
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: a running back stuck in a offensive guards body. You

719
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like I always wanted to have

720
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: the ball and run with the ball, but that was

721
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: never an option. And the and my my high school

722
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: team we ran we were one of the first teams

723
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: to run the spread. And so obviously there's your high

724
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: school football team. Yeah, you ran the spread, and for

725
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: you in two thousand and probably five four or five.

726
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: And you gotta you gotta be able to move if

727
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: you're running the spread. Yeah, no doubt every musician, because

728
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: even even the lineman, you got to get up and go.

729
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: And so I wasn't in like in shape enough to

730
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: be you know, I didn't have the endurance to to

731
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: run with the offense because we had we had two

732
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: running backs that ran sub for three forties. I mean

733
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: they were just lightning fast, and so we were up

734
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: and down the field a lot, I mean, thirty forty

735
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: yard play. It was not something that was out of

736
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: the ordinary for us. And so yeah, I was just

737
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: not cut out for that either. You know, in a

738
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of teams we were playing, we're playing we're you know,

739
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: we're running the wing tea and like the super antiquated

740
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: offenses and stuff like that. So yeah, I was just

741
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: I was just not cut out for that particular thing. Now,

742
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: looking back in time, I would have I would have

743
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: loved to play offensive line. It's one of my favorite

744
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: most intriguing positions now and I think I would have

745
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: been very good at that. Actually, Um but I was

746
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: just I was just not because I didn't play when

747
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I was little. I started playing in high school. So

748
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: all of my all of my teammates had been playing

749
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: since they were seven or eight years old, you know.

750
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: So by the time I was a senior, it was

751
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: like there were guys who had been playing football for

752
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: fourteen for fifteen years, and I had only been playing

753
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: for three. So I was way behind the curve of

754
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, strength training and learning the game. And I

755
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: just wanted to hit people. That was it. You go

756
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: to Appalachian State and as you leave high school and

757
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: you go to college. In your mind at that point,

758
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: why are you going to college? I just thought that

759
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: was what you did because I didn't want to go

760
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: to work, I think, you know, but I had went

761
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: to I actually went to a chorus camp at app

762
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: in probably maybe eighth grade or ninth grade or something

763
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: like that. For the summer. I was like one of

764
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: those two week you go and stay in the dorms,

765
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: and there's kids from all the different schools and everything.

766
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: And I just fell in love with that place, you know,

767
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: because I grew up in the mountains already, but that

768
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: was way I mean, that's way in them as much

769
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: in the mountains as you can be in North Carolina,

770
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: kind of nestled in this little valley thing, and I

771
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: just fell in love with the campus, and like the

772
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: and the weather, you know, I like the cold, you know,

773
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm fine with being cold, and it's very cold and

774
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: it snows a lot there, and I just I absolutely

775
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: was enamored with that place. And ever since I went

776
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: to that camp, I was like, that's where I'm going

777
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: to go to college. I'm gonna go to school there.

778
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: And I was not a very good student in high school.

779
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: I've always been interested in learning things. I really enjoy that.

780
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: I just was never interested in learning things that people

781
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: wanted me to learn. So what were you doing in

782
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: college for the most part, If obviously you're getting through

783
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: because you didn't leave until and you left right before

784
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: you graduated, right, which is so, and we'll get to that,

785
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: But what were you doing in school? Were you just

786
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: keeping the grades up so you could keep singing or

787
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: where like why what was your motivating? It was like

788
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: it was College was a big time for me of like, okay,

789
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: how do you be three hundred pounds and get a girlfriend?

790
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: That was what I spent most of my time trying

791
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: to figure out. Did you have girls in college? No? No,

792
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I was definitely not a ladies man, you know, not

793
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be. But in high school

794
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: you don't exactly get judged on your great personality. So

795
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: those were interesting times for me. But I mean that

796
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: was what I did in college. Man. I hung out,

797
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: I drank with my buddies. I didn't go to class

798
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: a lot. I played rugby. I sang in an acapella group.

799
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: My first year and a half of school, I pledged

800
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: a fraternity and ended up quitting doing that before I

801
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: became an initiated member. I did a bunch of stuff. Man,

802
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: I just tried a bunch of stuff, you know. And

803
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm thankful for in the college experience,

804
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: because that's where I found out that this is what

805
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be doing. And you left early

806
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: like you were closer graduating, right, Well, I was there

807
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: for five years, so I didn't leave early, but you

808
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: left right. I stayed late and I didn't graduate. Yeah.

809
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: How many hours you think you need? Not even semester

810
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: and a half yeah, not even four year? Yeah, but

811
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: I could have done like a summer and a semester.

812
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: But the problem was I always hated math and I

813
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: always hated science. Um, I'm not good at not good

814
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: at science, not good at math, um, And so I

815
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: never What happened was I loved I was a major,

816
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: and I changed my major from business. I started out

817
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: at business and I was like, wait, I hate math,

818
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Why am I doing that? That's just something that I

819
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, you could probably get a good job

820
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: doing business things, you know. So I tried that for

821
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: like a year, and then I switched my major to

822
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: criminal justice because do what in criminal justice? Near mind?

823
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a homicide detective is what I

824
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Still am very interested in that, and

825
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: so I went balls to the wall in that major,

826
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed that. So I'd liked go into

827
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: my you know, forensic science class and my this and

828
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: this and this class. But the things that I the

829
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: twenty one hours I was short were all my math classes.

830
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: All my science classes, so like basic, like your freshman

831
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: year stuff. Never took any of them. I never took

832
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: Stats one in Stats two, and then I never took

833
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: chemistry or biology because I was like, this is just

834
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to do any of this stuff, you know.

835
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: And so by the time I got to the end

836
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: of my major, I kind of ran into this huge

837
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: roadblock because I had two or three classes that I

838
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: needed for my major and they were like, well, you

839
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: can't take this class unless you have Stats one in

840
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: Stats two, and you can't take them at the same time.

841
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: So that's at least a year of school to take

842
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: two classes. So I'd had to do Stats one Stats

843
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: to biology or Chemistry one in biology or Chemistry two,

844
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: and those were both prerequisites, and then I would have

845
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: had to take the classes for the end of my major,

846
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: and then I would have had to do my internship

847
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: because I couldn't do my internship until I did the

848
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: classes for the end of my major. And you've already

849
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: done five years and I had already done yeah, it's

850
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: like four Yeah, I'd already done like four and a

851
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: half years. So I was like, I'm not staying here

852
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: for another two and a half years in school. At least.

853
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I ended up living in Boone until I was twenty

854
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: four before I moved to Nashville. But I was just like, man,

855
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: I just I don't you know at that By that time,

856
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: I was already playing music. Were you going back and

857
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: forth from Boone to Nashville or did you when you

858
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: came to Nashville? Was it you came to Nashville the first.

859
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I came to Nashville twice in those years, and that

860
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: was two thousand and at the end of two thousand

861
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: and thirteen, and then the summer of two thousand and

862
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: fourteen when you came to the first time. Did you

863
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: know you wanted to stay? Yeah? Oh yeah, because I

864
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: had written a few songs, and so I came at

865
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: the end of twenty thirteen and recorded the songs, and

866
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: then I met had you know, through the internet, had

867
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: met a couple of people. I was like, oh, I

868
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: write songs with these guys. So I wrote a couple

869
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: of songs when I was there, and then I got

870
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: back and I was like, man, like, I got to

871
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: play another trip. So I played another trip, wrote some

872
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: more songs, and then on that trip and probably aprilish

873
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: May of twenty fourteen is when I recorded she got

874
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: the best to me? Can I get an outlaw and

875
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: share if you want to? And then at that time

876
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: after that, those came out in June, and I moved

877
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: in September of that year of twenty fourteen. The tweet

878
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: you posted what you said, I think the topic was

879
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: tell me something about yourself that no one believe. And

880
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: the gt of it was that you came to town

881
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: and you had some songs and people were like, hey,

882
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: they weren't good. And your old thing was don't let

883
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: anyone let you stop chasing your dreams. Yeah, those meetings

884
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: where you were rejected, are they vivid to you? The

885
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: early meetings definitely. The one in the meeting in particular

886
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: was with somebody It was, you know, they have like

887
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: the artist like writer reps at like b and I.

888
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: So I had a friend that had a rep there

889
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: and I went in and I was like very excited

890
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: because I had just moved to Nashville at this time

891
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't know anybody, you know, I knew a

892
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: couple of writing buddies and was going out and playing

893
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: a few writers rounds and writing songs every day. And

894
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: because by that time. I was living off of those

895
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: songs that I had put out the previous year, and

896
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: I went in and it was kind of like this

897
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: this person was like, we'll play me three songs. And

898
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh cool, Like this person's gonna be

899
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna play these three songs and like they're

900
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna walk me into the best publishing thing and they're

901
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: gonna be like this guy's great, Like how could you

902
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: not love this guy? Give him a publishing deal? So

903
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: I played Hurricane When It Rains in one Number Away,

904
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: which were my first three number ones, and they were like, Okay,

905
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You gotta get better a songwright and

906
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: you gotta write better songs and you're never gonna be

907
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: an artist. So that's it. And I was like, and

908
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't like mad, do you know who said it? Yeah,

909
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say it. I

910
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: would never ask you to say it, but I'm just

911
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: asking if you know who's that? Oh? I know? Yeah?

912
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: Have you seen them since? Yeah? I've ran into them

913
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: awkwardly at actually the bm My Awards. Do you think

914
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: they remember telling you that? Or do you don't get it?

915
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: Just someone that was coming through the churney to the system.

916
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't think so at all, which is fine, you

917
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: know I have I have nothing against that person, you

918
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: know what, because I get it. Man. I mean it's

919
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: it's like if you look at it, would I would,

920
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: I would equate it to at that level, you know,

921
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: because you're not even screened at all. At that level,

922
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: like any Tom Dick or Harry can walk in off

923
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: the street pretty much to be am I and get

924
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: one of those meetings. So I can't imagine the pressure

925
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, well, I've got six kids that moved

926
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: to town yesterday that want to come in and they

927
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: all think they're awesome, and I've got to be able

928
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: to figure out which ones I think are good enough

929
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: to go on to the next thing. And so I

930
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: wasn't mad about it at all. I'm actually very thankful

931
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: for that meeting because I did go out and feel

932
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: like I wrote some of the best songs that I

933
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: had ever written, because I was like, man, I gotta

934
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I gotta write more and do better, Like I'm not

935
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: even close to as good as I need to be.

936
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: And so I just kept my head down and I

937
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: went and wrote a ton of songs, and then the

938
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: kind of the rest is just kind of fell into place.

939
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that's, you know, summarizing a big

940
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: chain of events, but that's kind of how it felt like.

941
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: Got a few minutes left her. I wanted to run

942
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: a couple of other things about you that I heard.

943
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: First of all, a lot of folks come in myself

944
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: included that worked retail because we kind of had to. Yep,

945
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the bills somehow as you're chasing your

946
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: creative endeavor. Yes, and I worked at hobby lobby. Mike

947
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: who was in Michael Hobby from Thousand Horses worked at

948
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: the Buckle. Okay, you worked at isod I did? I did?

949
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: How'd that go? I was not a great fit at

950
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: izod um, but I had you know, I had as

951
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: much fun with it as you could possibly have folding

952
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: people's golf sweaters, you know. Um. It was in an

953
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: outlet mall, like one of those like Tanger outlets or

954
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: whatever they call it. They had one in Blowing Rock,

955
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: which is right down the road from Boone, So it

956
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: was I mean, it was pretty pretty miserable. If how

957
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: long did you do that? I probably worked there for

958
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: I mean close to a year, probably, I would think.

959
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: And whenever you are walking past a table of shirts

960
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: that are messy, does it bother you? And will you

961
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: refold a shirt? No chance, no chance. But I'll tell

962
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: you what I do. I do fold a mean shirt,

963
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm when I'm doing the laundry at home,

964
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: which I'm sure people are spied. Do do laundry my fiance.

965
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: It does handle the brunt of the laundry, um, but

966
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: I do. I do chip in quite a bit, and

967
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, help fold stuff. And you know I'm not

968
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to do laundry. I don't. I don't

969
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: mind it at all. But you separate it, or do

970
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I If I wasn't in a committed relationship, I would

971
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: throw it on. Yeah, But I do separate it now

972
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: just because that's what. But now it's like her stuff's

973
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 1: in there, which is the thing. Like mine are just old,

974
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: like gross t shirts and jeans really, so I'm not

975
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: too worried about them like shrinking or like. But now

976
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: there's this whole like don't wash this thing with that thing,

977
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: and don't dry this thing, but it's gotta be tumble dried,

978
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: but don't put it in with this thing that has

979
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: to be high heat and then some stuff is like

980
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: cold water, and so it's I mean, it gets pretty

981
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: matthey to me, you know. And we know you don't like,

982
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't left school because you didn't even take a

983
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: laundry that was like year three and that was year

984
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: three and I skipped aundry class, that's for sure. The

985
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: bank bag I'm curious about to use to save the

986
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: money in yep. So you went and bought one of

987
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: those bank bags at Zips, Like it's kind of your

988
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: wallet with the lock on it. Yeah, so what was

989
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: that about? And where was this money coming from? You

990
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: were sticking in the bag. So I had I had

991
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: started playing shows and when Cappy moved to town after

992
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: he started managing me, he had never managed anybody before. Um,

993
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of blew through his life savings

994
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: like trying to build my career, and so he made

995
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: a promise to me. He was like, hey, man, I'm

996
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: not gonna take a commission until you're actually making enough

997
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: money to like live off of. And so at the time,

998
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, the gigs were I mean, they could have

999
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: been two hundred and fifty dollars a night. They could

1000
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: have been a thousand dollars a night, and those were

1001
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars was really good, you know. And so

1002
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: we would go and do those gigs and excuse me,

1003
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I would take, you know, t shirt money, whatever was

1004
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: left over. And and Cappy was great because he would

1005
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: always go settle the show. You know, he would run

1006
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: me through the statement every night and they here's what

1007
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: we got, and here's what we did, and here's the

1008
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: tickets and this and and there would always we were

1009
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: we were selling out everything, you know at that time,

1010
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: which is great on those club gigs because usually they'll

1011
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: they'll kick you back a pretty like sweet bonus and

1012
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: it's always cash. And so that's where the money was

1013
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: coming from, was that these sellout bonuses on these club shows.

1014
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: And so I would I was like, I remember getting

1015
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: to thinking I had like five or six thousand dollars

1016
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: in my apartment, you know, and I was like, man like,

1017
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: so I could just walk in here and like take

1018
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: this if they wanted to. So I had like a

1019
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: folder's can, and instead of putting just the money in there,

1020
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: I put it in the bank bag and then rolled

1021
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: the bank back up and put it in there. It's

1022
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: a back like behind my microwave on my counter. My

1023
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: microwave kind of sat like in a corner, so it

1024
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: was kind of there was that space behind it, yeah,

1025
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: because it was diagonal. Yeah, and so that's what that's

1026
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: what that's where the money was coming from. And that's

1027
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: what I did with it. That time I saw Cappy,

1028
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: he was in the Delta Lounge. I was walking through.

1029
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't going of the Delta Lounge. We know kevin't

1030
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: know each other obviously, and he was on the phone

1031
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: and I just touched his show. I was like just

1032
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: saying high to him, not pulling off his phone, and

1033
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: he and he was talking about, um, some of your technology.

1034
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: He's on the phone talking about the shore. He's like yeah,

1035
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: he's like, and he goes, I'll call you back to

1036
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: him hang this, hangs up on him and just like

1037
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: how you doing, man? And I was like, you don't

1038
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: have to hang up a phone call. But it's such

1039
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: a testament to like how present minded that he always

1040
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: wants to be, Yeah, definitely, and just how giving of

1041
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: his time. And we sat there and talking and I

1042
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: was like, happy, why don't you get back on the

1043
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: phone and handle your business. I'm gonna go get like

1044
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: a one of these little fancy Delta chocolate bars, right,

1045
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: and then someone else walked in that I knew he

1046
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: did the same thing. It's really one of the sweetest guys.

1047
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: He is man and he um. He and I are

1048
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: very similar. I mean, people think he's my dad all

1049
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: the time. How'd you guys meet? We met? So his

1050
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: best friend from growing up. They went to high school

1051
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: together and then went to college together, joined the same

1052
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: fraternity as a guy by the name of Bradley Jordan

1053
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: uh And he books a ton of a ton of

1054
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: clubs in the Southeast as a promoter. He had a

1055
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: he used to own Peastree Tavern in Atlanta in the

1056
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: early like mid two thousands, like Luc Brian used to

1057
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: play there Swindel fgl That was kind of one of

1058
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 1: those big clubs where like when you went and played

1059
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Atlanta and you were coming up you played Bradley's place

1060
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: U And when he eventually sold that, he started a

1061
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: company h called Peastree Entertainment, which he still runs, you know.

1062
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: And and so he books, you know, right now he's

1063
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: booking shows with like you know, Hardy Werega Wall and

1064
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: or Riley Green, like those kind of guys. And so

1065
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: Bradley was had booked me on one or two shows

1066
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, obviously him having known Cappy his

1067
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: whole life, he knew that Cappy's ultimate goal was to

1068
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: always be a manager. He had just never found the

1069
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: right guy, or it wasn't the right time, or the

1070
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: stars didn't line up. And so he called Cappy and

1071
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I got the guy. And so he

1072
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: showed up at my show at Zydeco in Birmingham and

1073
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: we talked and he was like, I live in Atlanta

1074
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: and all this, and I'm gonna move. And I was like, dude,

1075
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: this guy's fucking crazy, Like he's gonna like he's just

1076
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna up and like walk away from his entire life

1077
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: to do this. And I was kind of like a

1078
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: little like apprehensive about it, you know, like I was like,

1079
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: am I getting involved with like some like sharky guy

1080
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: who's gonna come and like, because you always hear the

1081
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: stories like, well make sure who you do business with,

1082
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: because they're everyone in the music business is trying to

1083
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, steal from you or get something out of

1084
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: you kind of thing. So I was like my thinking

1085
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: was like, man, you get one shot, you know, like,

1086
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: do I want to take my risk with this guy

1087
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: who I don't know, who's never managed anybody before, or

1088
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: do I want to try to get a proper management

1089
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: deal at a you know, at a big firm, or

1090
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: do this? And and so I met with a couple

1091
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: other managers, and you know, everybody had kind of passed

1092
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: on me in that situation too, And and Cappy's you know,

1093
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: we stayed in touch about things, and he sent me

1094
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: this huge email. I mean it was like five or

1095
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: six pages long, and I remember reading it. I was

1096
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: I was like reading it like in my car, and

1097
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: I had just come home from a ride or something.

1098
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: And and I remember and he had heard that I

1099
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: had met with some other manager type people, And essentially

1100
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: this was a six page letter of like why he

1101
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: was going to be the best manager, you know, for

1102
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: not only for me, but he wanted to become, you know,

1103
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: a great manager, and and this is how we're gonna

1104
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: do things, and this is why we're gonna do them,

1105
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: and this is why I believe in you, and this

1106
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: is why I'm willing to sacrifice everything for you, you know,

1107
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: to do this. And after I read it, I was like, man,

1108
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: there's nobody's going to care more about it than this guy,

1109
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, so then it then it just we instant.

1110
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: I mean he up and moved. Like the next week

1111
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: was that. That was two thousand and fifteen, probably late fifteen.

1112
00:54:51,120 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: I would think I did fifteenth A great story, it is. Yeah,

1113
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: the last thing we're gonna do is walk through these

1114
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: number ones and just give me a couple of sentences

1115
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: about what they like when you hear them back, Like

1116
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: what was happening around the time that either you wrote

1117
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: it or number one? Like what story we'll start. We'll

1118
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: start with hurricane here you go? Here's that? When that plays?

1119
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it just is a flood of like things

1120
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: were just really happening at that time, you know, And

1121
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: and that song was around it for you know, in

1122
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: my life at that time a long time. You know,

1123
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: it had been out for you know, by the time

1124
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: it went number one, it had been out for two years.

1125
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: And so I played that song in a lot of clubs,

1126
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: and and I just could I I can just feel

1127
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: the like the momentum when you play that song, because

1128
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, I owe kind of everything to that song,

1129
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I wouldn't be sitting here talking

1130
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: to you, if it wasn't for that moment in time,

1131
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: you know. And I just remember, you know, playing all

1132
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: these shows and man, we're selling everything out and people

1133
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: were all these important you know, business people were coming

1134
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: out and we want to see the show and we

1135
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about this, and and just excitement,

1136
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: I guess would be the word that I think of

1137
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: when that song comes to mind. All right, number two

1138
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: here is your second one one number away. That's just different,

1139
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,959
Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was the most different thing

1140
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: that I had done at that time, especially when we

1141
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: wrote it. You know, I had never written to a

1142
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: track before, didn't know what that was, um, and it

1143
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: was just it was it was cool, man. It was

1144
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: kind of like I was like, man, this thing is

1145
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: just so cool. It's such a risk for me I

1146
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: felt at that time to put out, you know, and

1147
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: so made me and luckily it worked out. But that

1148
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: one is is definitely I would like risky, I think,

1149
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: is how I would felt. I felt about that one

1150
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: when it rains a poor yeah, man, I mean just

1151
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that's probably my It just

1152
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: makes me happy when I hear that song. Man. You know,

1153
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: I remember shooting the video and and uh and Charleston

1154
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know me and my uh you know

1155
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: now fiance had had just really got into the throes

1156
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: of our relationship at that time, and it was just

1157
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: really fun. That was just a really fun time for me.

1158
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, that song brings back a lot of of

1159
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: really cool, fun memories for me. All Right, number four

1160
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: here she got the best of me? Why did you

1161
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: laugh right there? What what happened up there? Was? I mean,

1162
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: it's just that's full. It's like full circles the word

1163
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: I would use because I wrote that song in college. Um,

1164
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: I wrote it here in Nashville, but it was on

1165
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: one of my trips and it just the way it

1166
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: all came together was, um, you know, I wrote it

1167
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: with Rob Snyder and Channing Wilson at that time. They

1168
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: were both, you know, doing the revival thing together at

1169
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: Tin Roof, and a buddy of mine that I went

1170
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: to Nashville with had you know, kind of walked up

1171
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: to those guys and was like, Hey, let's write a

1172
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: song thing and and so they were like sure, man,

1173
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, we're in town for a couple of days

1174
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, well, we can write tomorrow or whatever.

1175
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: Me and my buddy got super drunk that night at

1176
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: the Tin Roof and and you know, we played revival

1177
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: that night, and and so he called me in the

1178
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: morning and was like, hey, man, like, I'm too hungover

1179
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: to go to this right, will you go instead? And

1180
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: I was like sure, man, like I'll go right with these,

1181
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, two complete stranger guys, you know. And so

1182
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: I went over to Rob's apartment. Me and Rob were

1183
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there writing and this. I mean, Rob

1184
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: and Channing are both like big dudes. They're both taller

1185
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: than me, they're both even broader than I am. And

1186
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: and Channing walks out in this like bath towel, you know,

1187
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: He's got his long hair and his big beard and everything.

1188
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: And Rob was like, dude, come come get on this

1189
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: song with us. Man, I should come write this song

1190
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: with us. And he was like, man, I'm not feeling it,

1191
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, And he said, well play, he said, dude,

1192
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: just just play him something. So I played night Moves

1193
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: on my guitar by Seeger and he was like, yeah,

1194
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: I'll come right with you, guys. And then so we

1195
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: wrote we wrote she Got the Best of Me that

1196
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: day and I ended up recording it in college when

1197
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: I'm still in college, putting it out, and then when

1198
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: it came time to record the deluxe version of the album,

1199
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, Lynn was like, this song is just great

1200
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: and your fans love it at the shows, and I

1201
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: really think it deserves a chance to you know, to

1202
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: be recorded with the proper equipment and the proper proper

1203
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: band and and get a shot at being a single one.

1204
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: So it was definitely a full circle experience for that one,

1205
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: beautiful crazy. I mean definitely, my fiance comes to mind

1206
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: more than anything, and that song really just changed a

1207
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: lot for me. I mean it was seven week number one,

1208
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: which is crazy. I would have never imagine that that

1209
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: to you, that song to me put you on a

1210
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: whole different Like it's you have to have a massive

1211
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: song to actually make the jump. You can have eleven

1212
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: number one and sometimes you don't make the job, but

1213
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: if you get that one definer, yep, you can make

1214
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: a jump. I think for you, that's when it launched

1215
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: you up. And that's what I was thinking, is this

1216
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: is the one that took us from like, I mean,

1217
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: we had four number ones and things were awesome, and

1218
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: then it was all of a sudden, it was like next,

1219
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: it was the next gear after that song, you know.

1220
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I think of obviously winning Song of

1221
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: the Year here recently, and you know, all the accolades

1222
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: and and and things. There's so many really positive, you

1223
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: know memories. I mean, I wouldn't be you know, I probably.

1224
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I would like to think I would still

1225
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: be with my fiance without that song. But I mean,

1226
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: this is the song that I played for her, you know,

1227
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: after we weren't even officially dating yet when I wrote

1228
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: this song about her, and I remember playing it for

1229
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: like two days after I wrote it, and I was

1230
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: like so nervous. That's vulnerable there, because I was like, man,

1231
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: what if she thinks I'm just a total creep, like

1232
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, because it was like, I mean we're hanging out.

1233
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: We were hanging out a good amount at that time,

1234
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: but it was still like, man, it was such a

1235
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: risk in my mind, like to play her that What

1236
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: did she do? She was working at BMI, No, what

1237
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: did she do when you played the song? Did she

1238
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: get emotional or did she Well? I played it smart

1239
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: because her one of her friends was there, and so

1240
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: I had actually bought her a record player as a gift,

1241
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: like a Crosley record player with like the legs and

1242
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: like its own little speaker and stuff, and so it

1243
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: had an ox chord jack and I plugged my phone

1244
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: in and played the work tape and her friend was

1245
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: in there, and her friend was like, oh my god,

1246
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: like this is just wow, you know, And so I

1247
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: was like, I know, if I can like hook the

1248
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: friend and the friend thinks it's sweet, she at least

1249
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: has to pretend like she likes it so that I'm

1250
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 1: not in this awkward situation where both like, well, we'll

1251
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: just stop hanging out now, because do you think I'm

1252
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: super weird? So it was she, but no, she loved it.

1253
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: And I mean she obviously loves that tune. All right,

1254
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: Bear never broke my heart. I don't just feel the

1255
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: live show on that one. Yeah, I mean, it's just

1256
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: like it just feels like, you know, it just feel

1257
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: like I can imagine what the environment would have been

1258
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: like a an ACDC concert, you know, like and not

1259
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: that that song sounds anything like an ACDC song, but

1260
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: it's the most rock and thing that we have, you know.

1261
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: It has those heavy like chugging guitars and and just

1262
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: it just feels like an arena rock like anthem song,

1263
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: and that's what it feels like every time we play it.

1264
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: And I think that song, you know, if Beautiful Crazy

1265
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: was important, I think beer is just as important because

1266
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: we followed Beautiful Crazy up, which was this very vulnerable,

1267
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: like low you know, finnel like violin kind of acoustic thing,

1268
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: and then it just polar opposite is this song and

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01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: this song. You know, I think this gave us a

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01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: jump too, because you know, a lot of and like

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01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: you said, we did have hits, but a lot of

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01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: the hits we're kind of like mid tempo, e Like,

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01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: there wasn't that like kick you in the teeth thing

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01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: in the set, and I think that song brought that

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01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: to the table for us. And the last one before

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01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: we go, even though I'm leaving the seventh number one

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: in a row as we record this right now, this

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01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: is the one multi week number one. Yeah, when you

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01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: wrote this, how do you feel, I've man, this was

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01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: a crazy right. So actually one of the guys I

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01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: wrote Beautiful Crazy with White Drette. This was the first

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01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: song that we wrote together, and me and him and

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: a good friend of ours, Ray Fulter, wrote this together

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01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: and it was one of those things. I love to

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01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: get into a rite and just not go until I

1286
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: feel like it's perfect, and I feel like sometimes the

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01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: Nashville environment can be we got three hours, We're walking

1288
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: out with a song. I don't care if it's terrible.

1289
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's the best song that anybody's

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: ever written. I just want to get it done and

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01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: turn it into my publisher and get on with my life.

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01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: You know, which is great if that's what you want

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01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: to do. And I understand that, and I enjoy that

1294
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: sometimes too, but I have to go into it with

1295
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: a different thing because I'm writing it as something that

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: could potentially be a humongous part of my life forever.

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01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: You know, that song is never gonna go away. It's

1298
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: never not gonna have been at number one. I'm never

1299
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 1: not gonna play it every night. And so I love

1300
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: to go in and make sure that if I'm going

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01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: to record something and I'm going to put it out

1302
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: there for people, that it's something that has the stamp

1303
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: of approval. And so that was a rite that took

1304
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: probably eight hours, seven or eight hours and one day,

1305
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: and we were in the little like we were in

1306
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: like the little office rooms at Southern Ground in the studio.

1307
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: We weren't in the studio, but there's a little spot

1308
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: next door where there's like, you know, just a little

1309
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: fluorescent bulb like offices. And Whyatt's son at that time

1310
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: was you know, getting ready to you know, he was

1311
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: getting to the age where he was going to be

1312
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: graduating from high school very soon. And that was his

1313
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: only a child at that time, and he was like, man,

1314
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: I want to write my son a song and let

1315
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: him know that I'm gonna be there for him no

1316
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: matter what, you know, like just because he's not living

1317
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: at home, he doesn't I don't want him to feel

1318
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: like he can't still call me or he can't still

1319
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, be my son or ask for help if

1320
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: he needs it. And so that's how that song started.

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, man, we had trouble getting through it.

1322
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm lucky enough to still have my my

1323
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: parents in my life and so I haven't you know,

1324
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: had to deal with that you know, horrible day yet.

1325
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: But we were all, you know, very emotional, like you

1326
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: didn't sing in the work tape, like got a little

1327
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: choked up. I was like, man, this is like and

1328
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: I knew, like if that's happening to me, Like that's

1329
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: going to happen to a lot of people with that song.

1330
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: So um, that song is just you know, it's it's

1331
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: really powerful for a lot of folks. All right. See

1332
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: what you see is what you get towards Ashington McBride

1333
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: and Drew Parker is happening lots of festival dates. You

1334
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: and Eric Church are headlining Rock to South. You're torn

1335
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: with McGraw. I don't even know how you have a minute.

1336
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: It's like every day on your calendar there there's something

1337
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: on it. You know. That's what I call music. Seventy

1338
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: three Yeah, holy crap, man, it's crazy man, you know,

1339
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: but it's it's I just think, you know, you only

1340
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: get this chance, you know once, if you ever get it.

1341
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want to look back when

1342
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm you know, sixty years old, you know, and and

1343
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: go man, I could have done more. I should have

1344
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: done more. I wish I would have done that, or

1345
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: I wish I would have worked harder, you know, because

1346
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose this. You know. It's it's

1347
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: it's a special feeling, you know, to go on, man,

1348
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: people are really loving me right now. I'm hitting some

1349
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of I'm hitting some kind of vain somehow, some

1350
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: way that maybe somebody else isn't doing, and that's a

1351
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: neat feeling. So I don't, you know, I'm not prepared

1352
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: to lose that, and I know and inevitably will come.

1353
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: There will be a time when, you know, the next

1354
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: guy that's really awesome will come along and go, l Combs,

1355
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: that guy's old news. You know. I was talking with

1356
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: in the last few days, a plus plus artist, just

1357
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: we're hanging out a little bit, and he had brought

1358
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: you up because that he was a plus plus still

1359
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: is massive, yeah, and he was confident. He was like,

1360
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 1: you know what, it's Luke Combs the time. Now Yeah,

1361
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: He's like, I had my time, and he goes, it's

1362
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: Luke Holms the time. She said, I'm still gonna do

1363
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: massive shows. But now it's Luke's time, and Luke's gonna

1364
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: have his time, and then hopefully Luke will look at

1365
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: the next person to go, yeah, you know what, I'm

1366
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: still gonna play big shows. Yeah, he goes, that's just

1367
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: how this works. And the people who don't, who are miserable,

1368
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: who don't embrace what they have when they have it,

1369
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: and what they had when they had it and roots

1370
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: for the guys that are coming next. Yeah, and you

1371
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: got to man, you know, because I've had a lot

1372
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: of really great experiences with with people here in town,

1373
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: with other artists who've said, man, you know you're gonna

1374
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: do this, and everybody's thing is always enjoy it while

1375
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: it's here. You know, do the thing that you go

1376
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: to the after party that you're too tired to go

1377
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: to go, you know, hang out with Ed Sheering or

1378
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, any a cool opportunity you should go do

1379
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: that because you're not always going to have those opportunities.

1380
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: So um, that's something that I've always taken to heart. Now,

1381
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: I do enjoy a good nap sometimes, you know, it's

1382
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: just hard to pass up on that sometimes. But so yeah,

1383
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to I'm just trying to do it

1384
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: the best I can. And uh, and you know, enjoy it.

1385
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: Well it's here. Well listen, I appreciate time. Likewise, just

1386
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: a big fan of you. Thank you. I think over

1387
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: your artistry, Like I got to know you a little

1388
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: bit before you had a bunch of s. Yeah, I

1389
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 1: always liked your honesty when you came. Thanks man, and

1390
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: and it's very often, so area is Luke Combs Episode

1391
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: two twenty six. Um, this thing's gonna be listen to forever.

1392
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: The single right now is does to me, but this

1393
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: one's gonna be around for years and years of the podcast.

1394
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: So whatever. His ninety fourth number one, and we'll have

1395
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: to do another one, another one. Good to see him,

1396
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: My Friend, episode two twenty six, So Luke Combs, there

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01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: we go.