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Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: it's me Jenny. Welcome to the I Choose Me Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You are all showing up for our new podcast, and

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Speaker 1: I am so grateful. I'm reading all of your reviews

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Speaker 1: and your comments and I'm just loving all of it.

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Speaker 1: This spot is for you, guys, So I want you

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Speaker 1: to tell me what you want to hear about from me.

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Speaker 1: What topic do you want us to delve into. What

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Speaker 1: decision have maybe you made that you want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and tell us what you learned from it. Let us know.

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Do you believe in

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Speaker 1: trusting your gut making decisions based on instinct? This next

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Speaker 1: story is an example of when I trusted my gut

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Speaker 1: on one of the biggest choices I ever had to

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Speaker 1: make decision that would alter the trajectory of my life forever.

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Speaker 1: And I had to make this decision when I was

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Speaker 1: only seventeen years old. But first I want to introduce

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Speaker 1: you to another member of my team, my life team.

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Speaker 1: Randy James started as a page at ABC, the network ABC,

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Speaker 1: you know the one, when he was only eighteen years old,

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Speaker 1: and quickly rose through the ranks of the company to

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Speaker 1: become the director of casting for the whole network. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, he started his own talent management company

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Speaker 1: at the age of twenty nine. He is my longtime manager,

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Speaker 1: my best friend, my father figure, my discoverer. I call

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Speaker 1: him mister Showbiz and you can too.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jenny Garth.

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Speaker 1: Don't ever call me by my full name. That makes

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Speaker 1: me feel like I'm in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Look at you with your own podcast.

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Speaker 1: Are you proud now?

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Speaker 2: I possibly be any prouder. This is so cool, This

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Speaker 2: is so exciting.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about choices, Randy.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, we've all made a few.

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Speaker 1: Good Yep, you chose me, I chose you. That's a

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Speaker 1: whole nother story. We'll tell that another time. But today

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the choice to do Beverly

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Speaker 1: Hill's line Up two one now, and you were there.

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Speaker 2: I was there, and I'll bet a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't know. But it actually was a choice because you

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Speaker 2: had two different shows that were interested in you, that

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Speaker 2: wanted you, and you had to make a choice between them.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: It was not an easy choice.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I forget about that that there was another show

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Speaker 1: on the table. It wasn't like it was another offer

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Speaker 1: on the table. It was just another audition, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: No, they actually wanted you. So, yes, you were in

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Speaker 2: a position where you could have had either show.

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Speaker 1: At the time, Wow, look at me.

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Speaker 2: Just to get give a little context for the listener.

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Speaker 2: When you came out, it was nineteen eighty nine and

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Speaker 2: you had done a couple of things. You did one

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Speaker 2: episode of Growing Pains. Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I do. I remember the line you want to

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Speaker 1: hear it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Sticky, sticky, sticky. And that was it. Sticky, sticky, sticky.

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Speaker 1: That was my line.

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Speaker 2: You don't remember, you know what. It's amazing, but it

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Speaker 2: escaped me momentarily.

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Speaker 1: There I reminded you.

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Speaker 2: Then the other thing you did, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you were you'll, well, of course remember this. You did

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Speaker 2: a TV movie I think it was for Disney called

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Speaker 2: Teen Angel Returns.

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Speaker 1: Starring Jason Priestley.

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Speaker 2: How crazy is that?

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Speaker 1: That's right, we played in a movie together. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we were like love interests or anything. I really

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Speaker 1: don't remember at all.

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Speaker 2: And then you did a short lived series called A

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Speaker 2: Brand New Life where you played Barbara Eden's daughter and

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Speaker 2: By the way, that should be an episode of your podcast.

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Speaker 2: You should bring Barbara on because she's such an influence

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Speaker 1: She has a huge influence on me, Like as an actress,

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Speaker 1: I want let's Booker Booker Dano. We need her on

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Speaker 1: the show. But let's talk about okay. So the shows

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Speaker 1: that we were looking at. One was something called Whole

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Speaker 1: Street High, right, right.

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Speaker 2: I think it ended up going on there as Hull High,

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Speaker 2: Hole High, Yes, And that was an NBC pilot. A

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Speaker 2: Huge Box was this upstart network that had just come

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Speaker 1: Watching, right, It didn't even exist until what nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean nine o two one. I was one

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Speaker 2: watching it. Now. Hull High was the concept of the show.

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Speaker 2: a guy named Kenny Ortega. Which most people today remember

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Speaker 1: And all the dancing and all the numbers, all the

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Speaker 2: his career. He had been super super successful when he

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Speaker 2: was had all the shows on ABC, right, and I.

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Speaker 1: Knew about all those shows like I watched The Love Vote.

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Speaker 1: I grew up with Aaron Spelling shows.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they used to joke and say that ABC

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Speaker 2: so it really was a risk because Aaron wasn't hot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody knew about. So it really was a risk.

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Speaker 2: I actually, because of my experience working with Aaron at ABC,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you sort of guided me in that direction

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Speaker 2: It is. And there was one other piece of this,

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Speaker 2: I saw you, I saw you dancing. That's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And in Hull High it was all about dance. That's

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Speaker 1: Which one they kind of balance each other out. But honestly,

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Speaker 2: Move on paper. It absolutely was. There was no question

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Speaker 2: your gut on this, because all I can do is

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Speaker 2: the cons and here's what could happen. But I've learned

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Speaker 2: in this business that it's this is not a business.

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Speaker 2: It's based on science, you know, or based on statistics.

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Speaker 2: And over the years, I've seen many examples where what

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Speaker 2: Chicago Hope and it was produced by DAVIDY Kelly, who

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Speaker 2: one was called Er. And at the time, everyone in

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Speaker 1: That I had to make. What I was sixteen, seventeen

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Speaker 2: Well, you you had input from me, you had input

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Speaker 1: I mean that happens a lot when you make a choice.

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Speaker 1: Then you just go with your gut, and it's really scary,

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Speaker 1: but that's like the ultimate decision maker. I think if

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Speaker 1: little voice inside of us. And that's what I did.

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Speaker 1: I took all of your advice, and I took all

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Speaker 1: was just like, I choose Beverly Hills nine or two

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Speaker 2: Here we are, I'm definitely happy. Let me ask you

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Speaker 2: a question that I don't know if we've ever discussed

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Speaker 2: when you went on to Beverly Hills nine O two

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Speaker 2: and zero. Because most people in the industry teenagers, a

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Speaker 2: with every one of your co stars on that show

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Speaker 1: You're so right, every single one of them. Yeah, Sanna,

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Speaker 1: jason Ian definitely was, Brian was Gab was Tory what everybody.

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Speaker 2: And they had all been doing it for a while.

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Speaker 2: And you had just blown into town basically a year before.

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Speaker 1: I had just gotten off the bus.

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Speaker 2: But I'm wondering how that felt. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: six security guys and they've been here for well.

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Speaker 1: The voice he used to.

441
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Speaker 2: I was, yes, exactly that it's still in my head.

442
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Speaker 2: We got there and the six security guys were a

443
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Speaker 2: little bit overwhelmed. I mean it was completely nuts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were people up above us hanging off the

445
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: railings insanity. I was like, wait, what is happening? Who

446
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: are they here to see? They're here to see me?

447
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: It felt surreal, like completely like a movie of some kind.

448
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: I had to like step outside of myself to get

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Speaker 1: through that. And basically those are the times when I learned,

450
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: you it's go time, Like, it doesn't matter how fraid

451
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Speaker 1: you are, it doesn't matter that you've never done this before,

452
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that you're doing this on your own.

453
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Speaker 1: It's go time.

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Speaker 2: Just do it right.

455
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Speaker 1: And I think that's been like something that served me

456
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: well for the rest of my life is sometimes you know,

457
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Speaker 1: like when I'm about to go do a talk show

458
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Speaker 1: or an appearance somewhere, Yeah, I have to tell myself,

459
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Speaker 1: like it's go time, let's go do this.

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Speaker 2: Don't be afraid that took a lot of guts for you,

461
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Speaker 2: because in those days, because you'd never been in the

462
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Speaker 2: public eye and you were not I don't think you

463
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Speaker 2: were anybody that ever craved attention like that. No, you

464
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: were very uncomfortable with people even staring at you, or

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Speaker 2: being in crowds of people or being the center of attention.

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Speaker 2: And here you were, I think there were like eight

467
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Speaker 2: to ten thousand people in this mall screaming, and you

468
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: could very easily have said, I can't go out there.

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Speaker 2: There's no way I could go out there. I'm sorry,

470
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Speaker 2: but you knew you didn't have a choice. And by

471
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Speaker 2: the way, you were going to say a few words

472
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Speaker 2: and then you're going to sit down, and all eight

473
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Speaker 2: thousand of those people were going to theoretically come up

474
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Speaker 2: to you and take pictures with you, and you'd be

475
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Speaker 2: signing autographs and having to have like an interaction with

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Speaker 2: all of them. You had to be in a full

477
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Speaker 2: blown panic given the person that you were at that time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was cutting my teeth and learning how to

479
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: deal with stuff like that my future, basically, And I

480
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: got thrown right into the deep end on that one,

481
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Speaker 1: for sure, because yeah, like you said, I am not

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Speaker 1: a person that likes the spotlight. I've never been in

483
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Speaker 1: the spotlight. I grew up I had older half sisters

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Speaker 1: and older half brothers, and I was the baby of

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Speaker 1: the family. So I spent a lot of time not

486
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Speaker 1: wanting anybody to give me extra special attention because I

487
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: wanted my sisters and my brothers to see me as

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Speaker 1: equal to them. Like I didn't want any special treatment.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want. I don't want my light to shine

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Speaker 1: any brighter than anyone else's. And that's kind of how

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00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: I walk through life. And I was not used to

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Speaker 1: going to the store and having people stare at me

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Speaker 1: like you said, or you know, follow me to my car,

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Speaker 1: or having a pop rozzi take pictures of me. It

495
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: was also foreign to me. And I remember when I

496
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Speaker 1: wasn't doing events like that that were planned out and

497
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: like you know, I was prepared for. I would stay home.

498
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: I started to develop agoraphobia, where you don't leave the house,

499
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Speaker 1: you don't go out, and you have somebody else go

500
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Speaker 1: get your things you need and then you just stay home.

501
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: And I started to do that. It was very isolating

502
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: and very lonely, and it made it even worse when

503
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: I did have to go out and perform, you know,

504
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Speaker 1: or go do my job.

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Speaker 2: The other thing, too, is that leading up to that,

506
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Speaker 2: you were working fifteen hour days and the studio was

507
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Speaker 2: located in a very weird place. You weren't on a

508
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Speaker 2: film lot, you know, on a movie studio. It was

509
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: sort of in an industrial complex that Aaron had rented

510
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Speaker 2: out in the middle of this San Fernando Valley. I

511
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: think they were shooting porn movies.

512
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Speaker 1: They say so.

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00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: The rumor has it. And like you said, when you

514
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Speaker 2: when you weren't working, you were at home. But the

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Speaker 2: other part of it is that Los Angeles is kind

516
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Speaker 2: of a town that is used to seeing famous people.

517
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Speaker 2: So even when you did go out in Los Angeles,

518
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Speaker 2: for the most part, you probably didn't get the same

519
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: level of fandom that you would going to a town

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Speaker 2: in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even care. I stayed home, Like even I

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Speaker 1: remember just being home a lot and doing lots of baking,

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00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: lots of arts and crafts during that time period. Whenever

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Speaker 1: I didn't have, you know, when I wasn't on set,

525
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: I would just stay home and garden or something. I'm

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00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: still kind of like that.

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Speaker 2: Randy there you are. Yeah, but you've you've also, as

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00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: you've you've proven again and again you've gone to a

529
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Speaker 2: place that was so out of your comfort zone. Just recently,

530
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Speaker 2: I just saw you stand up at an event for

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Speaker 2: the American Heart Association and speak to hundreds of women

532
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Speaker 2: who were leaders of business, cardiologists, all of these people

533
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: and spoke to them, and you did it so wonderfully.

534
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Speaker 2: And this is a testament to how far you've come,

535
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Speaker 2: because I'm sure that little girl in writing her Huffey

536
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: couldn't have imagined ever being in New York City standing

537
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Speaker 2: up and talking to a crowd like that from for

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Speaker 2: half an hour.

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Speaker 1: Now, that room was intense. There were probably like five

540
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Speaker 1: hundred people there. I was not prepared for that, but

541
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Speaker 1: sometimes you just jump in. It's go time, you gotta

542
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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: So what's the message for your listeners who can't imagine

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00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: going from where they are now in their lives to

545
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: where they would like to be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would just remind them of this decision

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Speaker 1: that I made and let that inspire them. I mean,

548
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: choosing nine to two and l was one of the

549
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: biggest decisions of my life. I played that character for

550
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: ten years a decade. She became a part of who

551
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: I am in all of the best ways, and that

552
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: show took me around the world. It's given me immense opportunities.

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00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Even thirty years later, I get to attend conventions with

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00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: my og cast, and I get to have a podcast

555
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: about it. I get to have my own podcast. It's

556
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: like the gift that keeps on giving. You know that show,

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: that decision. I would say that if you're sitting out

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Speaker 1: there and you're faced with a decision, whether it's a

559
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: career decision or a personal decision, whatever it is, even

560
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: if it seems daunting, trust your gut, period. It has

561
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: all the answers, and it's right every time. We all

562
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: have access to our gut, the clear answers, our best thinking,

563
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: but we second guess it because we don't trust ourselves,

564
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: or sometimes we want instant gratification, that easy way out.

565
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: So sometimes when we're faced with a decision, faced with

566
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: tuning in to our natural instinctual awareness, we abandon ourselves

567
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: in that moment, and we know when we're doing it.

568
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: You know that feeling when you hear yourself say you

569
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing this, but you do it anyway. In

570
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: that exact moment you didn't choose yourself. We abandon ourselves

571
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: all the time. Learning to listen to our gut takes discipline.

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: We have to be able to get quiet. We have

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00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: to be able to get quiet and push aside all

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00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: those outside voices and opinions that are constantly ricocheting around

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00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: in our heads. When I'm faced with a big choice,

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Speaker 1: a big decision, and I like to do this, I

577
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: like to close my eyes and take a few deep breaths,

578
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: and then I ask myself, what is the right decision

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00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: for my highest good and for the highest good for

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Speaker 1: all involved? And then I wait for the answer. My

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Speaker 1: beautiful friend Jennifer Schaeffer taught me that little trick tuning

582
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: into my intuition, listening to my instincts has served me

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00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: time and time again. So can we all try that

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00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: next week. Let's listen to ourselves a little more. Let's

585
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: listen for those gut instincts, even if you just take

586
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: notice of them. That's a great start to learning to

587
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: listen and trust ourselves. I don't know about you, but

588
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I feel like this is my life. Who else am

589
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I going to trust to make the right decisions for me?

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00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: I love you now. I want you to go to

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00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: the mirror and tell yourself you love you too. And

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00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: I hear you. This may seem so. It might be

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00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: hard for you to look into your eyes like that.

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Speaker 1: It was hard for me at first, but I promise you,

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00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: if you do this with me, even just once a week,

596
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: like every Wednesday, after you listen to this podcast, go

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00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: to the mirror and tell yourself you love yourself, you

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00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: are going to see a noticeable positive change in your life.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm not going to stop asking

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Speaker 1: you to do it, so you might as well. I'll

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Speaker 1: be right here next week. I hope you will too,