1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm Delaney Chalk reboarding and I'm faired out. And if 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast regularly, you know we've covered 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: our share of explorers and adventure travelers, people like Freya Stark, 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: who traveled into uncharted territory with seemingly little regard for 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: their own safety and bring back useful info to enlighten 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: those of us who are less ambitious to say the least. Yeah, 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: I haven't made any desert tracks lately. You are, in particular, 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: very fond of explorer stories, though I do really love 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: explorer stories, and it's interesting sometimes when you when you 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: do subjects who are kind of in the in the 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: same vein to see what they have in common with 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: each other. And Freya Stark you just mentioned her, she 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: actually has a lot in common with the subject of 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: today's podcast, Who's Gertrude Bell, especially in terms of where 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: they traveled specifically, which was the Middle East, and you 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: might find a few other little parallels throughout their stories too. However, 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: unlike Stark, Bell's involvement in the area she explored went 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: far beyond documenting them and publishing works about them. Bell 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: also did some archaeological work in there, but was a 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: mountain climber too, but she's best known for a loftier 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: sort of thing. Working with the British government, she got 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: involved in Middle East politics, pitched in on some spy work, 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: and is largely credited with the founding of modern Iraq. 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: And it said that at one time she was the 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: most powerful woman in the British Empire. So that really 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: piqued our curiosity and we wanted to find out how 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: did this well healed English gal, otherwise expected to become 30 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: a proper Victorian lady, get to go pretty much where 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: no lady had gone before and have the sort of 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: influence that none other had had. And so that's what 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: we're going to look into a little bit today, and 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: a lot the answer seems to Lee and how she 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: started out. She was born Gertrude Margaret Lothan Bell on 36 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: July fourteenth, eighteen sixty eight, and a really well to 37 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: do family. According to an article in Smithsonian by Janet Walat, 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: her family friends included people like Henry James and John 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: Singer Sargent. Her father, who was named Isaac Lothan Bell 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: was a prominent industrialist and as that she had a 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: lot of important connections, and because of those connections, he 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: was able to get Gertrude into Oxford at a time 43 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: when not very many young women attended, and she excelled there. 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: In in eighteen eighty seven, she became the first woman 45 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: to graduate from there with the first in modern history, 46 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: which was the university's highest honor in modern history. Even 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: at that age, though she wasn't shy about voicing her opinions, 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: Walack writes that she shocked professors by challenging their ideas, 49 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: maybe because she was so opinionated and outspoken, though she 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of in the love department around 51 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: this time, around the time that she finished school, which 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: made her stand out from other women around her age 53 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: because most women married around this time. But because of 54 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: her outspokenness, as we said, because she was sort of 55 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: snobbish almost about her intelligence, she had a hard time 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: finding suitors. So at age twenty, she was sent off 57 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: to stay with an aunt and uncle in Romania. Her 58 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: uncle was a British ambassador there and it was in 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: the hopes that she would find a husband. I guess 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: the Oxford guys just couldn't handle Gertrude right. So she 61 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: didn't find any suitors in her time in Romania, but 62 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: she did realize that she just loved to travel, and 63 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: so in eighteen two she arranged a visit to Tehran 64 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: in modern day Ran it was Persia at the time, 65 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: where her uncle Frank Lassell was British minister. And it's 66 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: there that she got her very first glimpse of the desert, 67 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: and she just loved what she saw. This reminded me 68 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of Louise Boy getting her first glimpse 69 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: of ice. Each each explorer has their own passion right. 70 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: But according to an article by Carrie Ellis in History 71 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Today and a piece about Bell and All Things Considered, 72 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: in her first letter home, she wrote, quote, Oh, the 73 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: desert around Tehran, miles and mild of it, with nothing, 74 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: nothing growing, ringed in with bleak, bare mountains, snow crowned 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: and furrowed, with the deep courses of torrents. I never 76 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: knew what desert was till I came here. It is 77 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: a very wonderful thing to see. So I mean that 78 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: speaks clearly how enchanted she was by something so different 79 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: from what she was used to. Right, she was smitten 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: with this area of the world, But while she was 81 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: in Persia, she also became smitten with something else, a guy, 82 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: a young British diplomat named Henry Caduggan. According to Walax article, 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: Bell described him as quote a very thin, agreeable, intelligent, 84 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: a great tennis player. I like him a men slate. 85 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: So he apparently liked her too, and they spent a 86 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of time together, exploring the desert, going on picnics, 87 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: reading poetry. But there was one problem about their relationship 88 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: continuing any further, and that was that Henry was very poor, 89 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: and again, according to Walax article, Bell's father refused to 90 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: let them get married at all. He didn't think that 91 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: Cadugan earned enough to support his daughter in the manner 92 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: in which she'd become accustomed to. Um Plus, Henry had 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: a gambling habit, and so Bell went home to England 94 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: to try to convince her father in person that this 95 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: was the guy for her. But she was not successful, 96 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: and just a few months after she returned home, she 97 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: got worried from Persia that Cadugan had fallen into an 98 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: icy river while fishing and had died of pneumonia, and 99 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: she was just completely heartbroken, uh and devastated to hear 100 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: about the So Bell spent the next ten years or 101 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: so an England writing, including some writings about her experiences 102 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: in Persia, and she also traveled around Europe. She traveled 103 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: to France, Italy and Germany. And this is also around 104 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: the time, in the late eighteen nineties or so that 105 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: she started to earn her chops as a climber by 106 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: climbing unexplored peaks in the Alps. Walax article recounts one 107 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: particularly heroine experience Bell had in the Alps, and which 108 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: she and her guides were trapped by an avalanche, a 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: thunderstorm and blinding snow, any one of which would have 110 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: been enough to deter me, but that that all sounds bad. 111 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: They were basically huddled all roped together in a crack 112 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: between some rocks on a peak for more than a day, 113 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: and Bell later said that she thought, quote, it was 114 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: on the cards, we should not get down alive. But 115 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: she kept her cool and they did make it down, 116 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: and that's really something she was known for too as 117 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: a climber. Later one of her guides said that out 118 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: of all the amateur climbers that he had worked with, 119 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: including males as well as females. No one could rival 120 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: Bell in terms of quote, coolness, bravery, and judgment. And 121 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean that seems like something that serves her well 122 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: later in her career too, not just on the mountains. Yeah, 123 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: and I just loved to picture her doing this, huddling 124 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: in between the crack and the rocks, braving out the storm, 125 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: right and even what you know, what she might have 126 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: looked like at the time, because there weren't any dedicated 127 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: climbing clothes for women at this time, at least when 128 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: she started out climbing, and Bell was doing her climbing 129 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: in a skirt. I mean, she wasn't wearing like decked 130 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: out an ari I gear or whatever that we would 131 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: expect today, obviously polar tech, nothing like that. Yeah, a 132 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: skirt would make things considerably more difficult, it would seem, 133 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: but it didn't. It didn't stop her. I mean, none 134 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: of that released stopped her. And she decided that she 135 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: wanted to start racking up some climbing accomplishments to like 136 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: some real goals. She wanted to be the first person 137 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: to climb all the peaks of the angle herner range 138 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: in the Swiss Alps, and at the accomplished that goal. 139 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen o one. One of the mountains Gertrude Spitze 140 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: was named after her. But even with all the adventures 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: that Europe had to offer, Gertrude still longed for the desert. 142 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: She was drawn in particular to the mystery of the 143 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: Arabian Desert, and so around the turn of the century 144 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: she moved to Jerusalem to study Arabic and to gather 145 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: as much information as she could about the tribes that 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: were roaming around the desert. With her new know how, 147 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: she didn't waste any time in exploring. She rode from 148 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: Jerusalem to Jericho to Damascus, and according to Ellis's article, 149 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: one of her most notable early adventures involved dressing like 150 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: a Bedouin man and writing about hundred miles northeast of 151 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: Jerusalem in search of the Drus, which was a secretive, 152 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: militant Muslim sect that was at odds with the ruling 153 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Ottoman Turks. And surprisingly, she got along quite well with 154 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: the Drus when she found them. Ellis writes that the 155 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: territory that Drews were living in was at the time 156 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: uncharted by Westerners, but Belle managed to evade the Turkish authorities. 157 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: This part reminds me of phrase Dark a little bit 158 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: a lot um and finally get to the Bell Drew's Mountains, 159 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: where she just charmed the Drew's king entirely. They ate together, 160 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: They talked together, and since m Bell had become fluent 161 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: in Arabic, this was something she could really really do 162 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: with ease. They even became friends, and the king apparently 163 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: asked someone later referring to her, have you seen a 164 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: queen traveling? So she made an impression yeah, And it 165 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: was apparently a good question to ask, because Bell did 166 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: spend the next few years traveling around the Middle East, 167 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: studying Rome, the Roman and Byzantine ruins there, and also 168 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: studying the Drews and various Bedouin tribes more in depth. 169 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: She learned a lot about the Arabs and about the 170 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire on her journeys, and she took copious notes 171 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: while she was doing that. A lot of her observations 172 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: made it into her nineteen o seven book The Desert 173 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: and the Zone, and it also seems that she impressed 174 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: more than just the drew Was king. According to Wallach, 175 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: the Arabs pronounced Bell quote a daughter of the desert, 176 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: and made her a quote honorary man. But in addition 177 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: to racking up these great titles and making all these friends, 178 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: she was really learning her future trade too. We mentioned 179 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: her studying the Roman and Byzantine ruins, which is significant 180 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: because it's during these years that Bell started getting more 181 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: and more involved in archaeology. She studied under the French 182 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: archaeologist Solomon Reinick in the early nineteen hundreds, and in 183 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: March of nineteen o seven she went to Turkey to 184 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: work with William Ramsay on some excavations there, and the 185 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: work they did actually resulted in a joint publication in 186 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: nineteen o nine book called A thousand and one Churches, which, 187 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: according to ellis really solidified Bells standing as a quote 188 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: serious archaeologist. So she's not a lady explorer anymore. She's 189 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: somebody who's out there doing real work with well respected 190 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: archaeologist and becoming well respected in her own right. In 191 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: January of nine nine, Grotrude set out from Mesopotamia, which 192 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: included what is today Iraq as well as Syria, Turkey, 193 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: and Iran. Her goal was to map out uncharted territory 194 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: so Wallock outlines a few of the things that Bell 195 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: took along for the ride, and I just have to 196 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: mention this, Yeah, it says so much about the time 197 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: it really doesn't, and so much about what's important to 198 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: the person I think so. So we'll just quote this 199 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 1: from from Wala's work. She says, her trunks packed with pistols, 200 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: her saddle bags crammed with books. She was accompanied by 201 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: an entourage of male servants, baggage animals, horses, and a 202 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: plethora of equipment cameras, tents, a folding bed, and a 203 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: canvas bath, mosquito netting, rugs, provisions for a month, quinine, 204 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: camphor cigarettes, an entire set of wedgewood china, crystal and 205 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: silver for proper or dining. And this reminded me so 206 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: much of the Champagne Safari that was before you were 207 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: a co host, but before it was a similar packing 208 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: list bringing things that Again, I mean, she may not 209 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: have had the ri I gear for her climbing and 210 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: special high tech fabric for desert wear, but she wasn't 211 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: dining with like tin plates either, was she. So with 212 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: all of this equipment, with all of these luxuries prepared, 213 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: she set off on a journey that lasted about seven months, 214 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: and the land she traveled across was so brutally dry 215 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: that her party often had to stop and seek refuge 216 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: with local tribes and as their guests. Sometimes they would 217 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: eat things that maybe they weren't expecting to see on 218 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: their wedgewood china um really bitter coffee out of the cups, 219 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: smooth they had. Wedgewood comes into sheep's eyes on their plates, 220 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: things that we're probably welcome if they were looking for 221 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: a fuge in the in the desert, but also real 222 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: travelers stuff. In March, she came across an amazing and 223 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: as yet undocumented ruin, a sixth century stone and wood 224 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: castle known to Arabs as Buca Deer. I hope I'm 225 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: saying that correctly. I'm not sure. Bell spent hours and 226 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: hours of painstakingly photographing, measuring, and sketching these ruins. She 227 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: even got down on the ground and her petticoat to 228 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: make sure that she was taking very precise measurements. And 229 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: she was taking this so seriously because since the ruins 230 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: hadn't been documented before, if she were the one to 231 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: come out with this discovery and have it so documented 232 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: and write about it first. It would be this huge, 233 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: big win for her, something that would establish her archaeological 234 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: reputation beyond a shadow of a doubt. She didn't exactly 235 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: rush off quite yet though. With her finding. She went 236 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: on to Babylon and wrote about Babylon thing it was 237 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: quote the most extraordinary place I've seldom felt the ancient 238 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: world comes so close. From there, she went on to Baghdad, 239 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: which was about five hundred miles from her starting point 240 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: just give you a sense of of how far she 241 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: roamed on this. On this trip, there she met the Nikkib, 242 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: which was the city's one of the most important Islamic 243 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: figures in the city who rarely spoke to women, and 244 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: again just sort of like the King of the Drews. 245 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: She really charmed this guy. He ended up inviting her 246 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: to meet his family. So from Baghdad she went on 247 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: to Constantinople and that's where she got some really bad news. 248 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: She found that a French archaeologist had scooped her on 249 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: the Kadir find, and she was upset about this, but 250 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: because she had at least spent so much time documenting 251 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: it in the form of drawings, her name was at 252 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: least going to be associated with the discovery. The French 253 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: archaeologists had written about it first, but she had all 254 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: of this information, all these pictures, to really back up 255 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: the find. Just eighteen months later, she went back to 256 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: the desert again. She wanted to visit a friend, David Hogarth, 257 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: who was working on an excavation in the ancent city 258 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: of Carchomish for the British Museum. When she got there, though, 259 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Hogarth had left and his two assistants, two young British 260 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: archaeologists were waiting for her instead. They were Campbell, Thompson 261 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: and a twenty three year old graduate student named Thomas 262 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: Edward Lawrence. And that name may sound kind of familiar 263 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: to you, and that's because it's the same Lawrence that 264 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: would later be known as Lawrence of Arabia. And these 265 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: guys were eager to impress Bell with the work they've done. 266 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: It started out rocky for them, though, according to Ellis, 267 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: Bell took a look at their excavations and immediately called 268 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: their methods quote prehistoric. She then proceeded to tell them 269 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: how a dig should be done, but they eventually won 270 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: her over with their conversation, in which they showed off 271 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: substantial local knowledge, something that always appealed to Bell, and 272 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: knowledge of architecture, among other things. She ended up calling 273 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Lawrence quote an interesting boy. He is going to make 274 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: a traveler very on point. Gertrude just an interesting side 275 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: note because this group, they sort of seemed like an 276 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: odd couple, don't there? Or an odd group of three. 277 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: But apparently the locals who didn't know what to think 278 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: about a woman traveling alone like Gertrude Bell often did, 279 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: and knowing that Lawrence was a bachelor, originally thought that 280 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: Belle had arrived to be his bride, even though she 281 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: was at this point something like twice his age. It 282 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: just seemed like the most logical solution to explain this party. Sure, 283 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: why not? Also interesting to note about this independent lady 284 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: traveling alone, she had been active in the anti suffrage 285 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: movement back home in the early nineteen hundred's. She was 286 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: actually the honorary secretary of the Women's Anti Suffrage League, 287 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: according to Ellis, and apparently she believed that she was 288 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: the equal of any man, but didn't think the same 289 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: was true of all women anyway. We just thought that 290 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: was worth a mention, and for those who look up 291 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: to her as a feminist role model. It's not totally 292 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: black and white here. You can't expect her to to 293 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: be the perfect role model I right, as with any 294 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: historical figure or figure of any kind. But as we'll 295 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: learn in the second part of this podcast, there were 296 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: others who also thought that Bell was a singular kind 297 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: of lady and allowed her to be part of what 298 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: was perhaps the ultimate all boys club right the military 299 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: at a time when it really mattered too, because in 300 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: the next part of this podcast, we're about to go 301 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: to war World War One and talk about Bell's political 302 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: influence in the Middle East, the stuff that she's probably 303 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: best known for. There is a little bit of romance 304 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: in there too, though, because we haven't talked about gertrude 305 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: second notable love affair yet, And we'll also talk a 306 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: bit about how she made a lasting impression on Iraqi culture. 307 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: So all sorts of things to come in our second 308 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: part of this Gertrude Bell story. So a few weeks ago, 309 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: we did an episode on the mystery writer Agatha Christie, 310 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: and we heard from a lot of Agatha fans out there, 311 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: But we also heard from a lot of Doctor Who fans. 312 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: And this is not the first time, we have inadvertently 313 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: covered a subject also covered on Doctor Who. Neither of 314 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: us watched the show, so we're not up to date 315 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: with the plot lines. But I think at this point 316 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: we really need to start tuning into Lena. Well. I 317 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: think we're already so in sync. It might be interesting 318 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: if we just don't start watching it and see if 319 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: we continue along this path. Yeah. But we have a 320 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: letter here from our listener Anna from Charlottesville, Virginia, and 321 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: she says, when I checked the podcast and saw the 322 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: mysterious disappearance of Agatha Christie, I got very excited because 323 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: I love Doctor Who. Why because in one episode, the 324 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: doctor meets Agatha and they solve a murder together and 325 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: then she loses her memory. The details about the actual 326 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: situation are a bit off, but the overarching theme is 327 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: the same. I suggest you watch this because even though 328 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: it is mostly wrong, and also the nature of the 329 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: show has some really strange characters, it is a really 330 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: interesting look at what could have happened to Agatha. The 331 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: episode is The Unicorn and the Wasp, starring David Tennant 332 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: as a doctor and Catherine Tate is Donna Noble. So 333 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: again another another recommendation. From a listener. I think there was. 334 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: We got a lot of mail around the Madame da 335 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: Pompadour episode, so I wonder now that we have the 336 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: Chevalier deal coming out to people will be writing again 337 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: about Doctor Who and Madame da Pompadour. They probably will, 338 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: but this one sounded sounded fun. I'd like to see 339 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: a take on what Agatha does during her her mysterious disappearance. Um. Yeah, 340 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued to know that I've read this better than 341 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: than just the spa explanation, right, yeah, absolutely So if 342 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: you guys ever have something fun like that to share, 343 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: we're always interested. We are a history podcast at discover 344 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: dot com. We're also on Twitter, that's where a lot 345 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: of people share their television show connections. We're at Misston History, 346 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: and we are on Facebook. Um and of course if 347 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: you just have suggestions to non television related we're always 348 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: happy to get this as well. And if you want 349 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: to learn a little bit more about some of the 350 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: topics that we talked about in part one of this episode, 351 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: you can look at an article called how archaeology works 352 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: on our website and it is written by the great 353 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: Sarahdality herself. I'm blessing to be and it's a great article, 354 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: so you should check it out. You can look that 355 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: up by visiting our homepage at www. Dot how stuff 356 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: works dot com for more on this and thousands of 357 00:20:46,960 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: other topics. Is it how stuff works dot com. Do 358 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: do do