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Speaker 2: I think it's up to guys like us and Mangold

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the special behind the Creator's edition of the

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Speaker 3: Taking a Walk Podcast. I'm buzznight, and today I welcome

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Speaker 3: back a dear friend, a man who's a pioneer in

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Speaker 3: American media. He can list on his vast credentials record producer, songwriter,

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Speaker 3: He's going to take us behind the scenes of one

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Speaker 3: of his many upcoming projects. Please welcome Spencer proffer to

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks, and given the fires out there, I ain't

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Speaker 3: It's so great to be with you, and I'm glad

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Speaker 3: that you and your family are okay despite the horrendous

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Speaker 2: You well, so I for sure your concern Boz psank you.

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Speaker 3: So before we talk about our behind the creators, look

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Speaker 3: at your project for twenty twenty six, which is stand

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Speaker 3: by Me, which is going to be an iconic look

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Speaker 1: I want to talk with you about.

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Speaker 3: One of our favorite topics, which is creativity. Everything I've

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Speaker 3: observed about you sort of brings around this mantra of

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Speaker 3: bringing the creative goosebumps to life, which I think is

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Speaker 3: such a great way to put it. So who are

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Being a four immigrant kid and growing up reading and

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Speaker 2: very enamored by the pioneers who built the media business.

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Speaker 2: So I'm kind of that subject of being influenced songwriters

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Speaker 3: Bus Well, there's something also about the mantra, which I

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Speaker 3: You fuse together in such a way you bring it

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Speaker 1: It all together with the echoes of the past.

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Speaker 3: And then you bring this international flare to things as well.

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Speaker 3: I want to mention I first met you in nineteen

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Speaker 3: Billy Thorpe, Remember that great song Children of the Sun.

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Speaker 3: I think you created a precursor to the sort of

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Speaker 2: Well, what was cool was when Billy and I wrote

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Speaker 2: I think I was twenty eight or twenty nine years old. Well,

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Speaker 1: That's that's perfect. So thank you as far as stand

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Speaker 3: The way I know you think you, like I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: And you bring a joy to it all too.

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Speaker 3: The way you put it together, I mean, reinventing Elvis

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Speaker 1: And then the exposure to.

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Speaker 1: Just a documentary at all. It is much more than that.

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Speaker 3: The storyline gets evolved and is very deep. When you

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Speaker 3: the non typical approach and put your stamp on it,

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Speaker 1: What it means to you personally when you do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, my stamp is just quality story retelling and bringing

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Speaker 3: So when you go through this process and redo it

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Speaker 1: But only for caring about the body of work, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, I mean having good editors. The smartest thing

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Speaker 3: Well, spencer and closing, I touched on this, I tease

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Speaker 3: this earlier. Now, one of your company's core values involves,

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Speaker 3: you know, helping others, spreading good words into our ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: We need it more now than ever certainly.

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Speaker 3: So when we talk about that and we talk about

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Speaker 3: on the greater good, can you elaborate on that.

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Speaker 2: I just hope that the work done in Like when

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Speaker 2: the pen of others, that's created, you know, by filmmakers

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Speaker 2: That is my dream. I've been a dreamer from the

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Speaker 2: and I'm still dreaming. And I'm a couple of years

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Speaker 3: My main man, Spencer prof we get a really cool

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes look that will be out in twenty

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Speaker 1: Can't wait. Stand by me, Spencer. You're amazing.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for all you continue to give us, and thank

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Speaker 3: you for your friendship.

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Speaker 2: Sir, well, thank you, thank you, thank you for your show.

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Speaker 2: I'd like the world to hear it. I think you've

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Speaker 2: done your homework. I like the questions you've asked, and

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Speaker 2: it's my pleasure and I'll see it soon when we

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Speaker 2: and then we can talk about it. Thanks for listening

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