WEBVTT - Tech Earnings Show Heavy AI Spending Continuing

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<v Speaker 2>This is Bloomberg Tech coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Alphabet, Microsoft and Meta all outward results showing heavy spending

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<v Speaker 3>on AI and data center construction.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus Roebrock CEO David Zooki joins us to discuss the

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<v Speaker 4>company's earnings as users and jumping, but so are costs.

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<v Speaker 3>And we'll break down what was said during the meeting

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<v Speaker 3>between President Trump and China's Jugen King, what wasn't discussed

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<v Speaker 3>and vidiots, blackweld chips.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's turn our attention to these markets.

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<v Speaker 4>And after record high, after record high, we take a breather.

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<v Speaker 4>Then that's that one hundred HUNDERD pressure off by almost

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<v Speaker 4>a percentage point. This as we think about the FED

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<v Speaker 4>maybe not baking in that December cut as much as

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<v Speaker 4>the market had anticipated.

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<v Speaker 5>You add to that some concerns about AI spending. You

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<v Speaker 5>add to that a.

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<v Speaker 4>China US trade deton for a year that many felt

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<v Speaker 4>were priced in ed and we just come down some

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<v Speaker 4>across all asset classes. But you're looking under what's in

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<v Speaker 4>the ecty moves yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get through the top stories, and Video is down

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<v Speaker 3>two percent. Blackwell, its latest processor was not discussed in

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<v Speaker 3>the meeting between President Trump ands Ujenping. Later in the

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<v Speaker 3>show out to South Korea to get the details of

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<v Speaker 3>that meeting. Then there's earnings Microsoft thirty nine percent top

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<v Speaker 3>line growth in Azure, the cloud computing unit, the only

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<v Speaker 3>unit that mattered, but the stock selling off high bar

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<v Speaker 3>for investors.

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<v Speaker 2>Alphabet is the one that's higher.

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<v Speaker 3>It told us what its capital expenditures are this year,

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<v Speaker 3>but it also told us about growth a real number

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<v Speaker 3>on AI or generatorve AI related products. Then Meta, it

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<v Speaker 3>is the biggest decliner and the biggest drag capital expenditure concern.

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<v Speaker 3>Then this morning, coming to market with an up to

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<v Speaker 3>six part bond sale maturities ranging five to forty years.

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<v Speaker 3>The forty year note one point four percent over treasury

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<v Speaker 3>above treasuries. There's a lot to discuss in Meta's capital

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<v Speaker 3>requirements and then what it has to show for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do that with Brent. Phil Jeffrey's analyst joins us.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, let's start with Meta. That's kind of the equation, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Capital expenditures will be higher next year than they were

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<v Speaker 3>this year. Then what give us more, give us some

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<v Speaker 3>longer term outlook. There just wasn't a formal guidance. Is

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<v Speaker 3>that what spooked the market.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Meta was just in a period of being really comfortable.

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<v Speaker 6>Zuck had been very comfortable. The company had executed, they

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<v Speaker 6>had invested, and they were harvesting those investments, and now

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<v Speaker 6>they're going back into invest mode. So I think at

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<v Speaker 6>the beginning of the year, advertisers were seeing that Meta

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<v Speaker 6>was more sheltered because they didn't know what Google was

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<v Speaker 6>going to do with AI, and we didn't know what

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<v Speaker 6>was going to happen to TikTok. And then halfway through

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<v Speaker 6>the year, everyone realized, hey, Google's got their act together

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<v Speaker 6>and AI, and we know that TikTok now has more

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<v Speaker 6>of the foundation. So I think, as I call it,

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<v Speaker 6>there's less.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a tailwind for Meta.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not a headwind, but it's less of a tailwind

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<v Speaker 6>that they had at the beginning of the year when

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<v Speaker 6>you talk to advertisers, and I think what Zuck said

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<v Speaker 6>last night on the call was the investments in AI

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<v Speaker 6>are paying off, and they just need more of them

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<v Speaker 6>because everything they built, they felt like they had overbuilt

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<v Speaker 6>and they sold out of what they built.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they have to build more and so yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't have anything to do with the fundamental position.

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<v Speaker 6>It's are we going to see margin compression and then

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<v Speaker 6>when does that return come back? But we already know that.

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<v Speaker 6>Then they have a return. We've saw with Microsoft. They've

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<v Speaker 6>given this margin expansion even in the face of AI.

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<v Speaker 6>So this whole concept that AI doesn't pay off is silly,

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<v Speaker 6>you see, because but the.

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<v Speaker 5>Stock move is so big that we question.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we see Zuck on the call saying, look, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>worried about underinvesting. We hear once again from Susan Lee

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<v Speaker 4>that they're going to make notable investments. Everyone new Capex

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<v Speaker 4>is going to go up into the right. Why is

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<v Speaker 4>there such an air pocket on this stage?

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<v Speaker 6>You think, well, I think the outperformance of Google, I

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<v Speaker 6>think you have money chasing weren't a momentum market. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>look at yesterday before any year, Needs everything and applications

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<v Speaker 6>went down aing, and AI went straight up in infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 6>So if you have Capex going this high, the pushback

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<v Speaker 6>is why do I invest in internet and software right now?

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<v Speaker 6>I should be invested in energy and land, and it

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<v Speaker 6>all the enabling infrastructure, and the infrastructure goes up every day.

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<v Speaker 6>Look at all the energy names, they're all ripping. And

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<v Speaker 6>so I think there's a common pattern with tech investors

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<v Speaker 6>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just broader.

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<v Speaker 6>Investors are moving their investments to other categories, and then

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<v Speaker 6>they're chasing momentum. It's just the market's so narrow and

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<v Speaker 6>you're seeing this. So there was nothing that was fundamentally offline.

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<v Speaker 6>They're making any investment. They've done this before. How many

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<v Speaker 6>times have we seen mat to do this and then

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<v Speaker 6>return the stock goes hired. They're going to do thirty

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<v Speaker 6>dollars running to power, put a thirty multiple on it.

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<v Speaker 6>You're nine hundred dollars on the stock. It's a buy

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<v Speaker 6>on the pullback, Brent.

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<v Speaker 3>The name of momentum is Alphabet and Google. Right, they

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<v Speaker 3>gave us two data points cap too Expenditch is ninety

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<v Speaker 3>one billion to ninety three billion dollars. But revenue from

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<v Speaker 3>products that are built on Google's generaty of AI models

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<v Speaker 3>grew more than two hundred percent from a year earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>That second part your reaction to it.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean AI is working, and I think the fear

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<v Speaker 6>that investors have had is what happens when I go

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<v Speaker 6>from a world of search to AI. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>Google is showing they can do the high wire act.

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<v Speaker 2>Very well between search to AI.

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<v Speaker 6>Everyone thought search would implode in the last two quarters,

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<v Speaker 6>they beat the search number.

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<v Speaker 2>This quarter they accelerated their search number. So what they're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing is that search can be anywhere. It can be

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<v Speaker 2>inside AI, can be in their own.

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<v Speaker 6>Engine, it could be a YouTube, it could be across

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<v Speaker 6>different properties. And I think what what Google is demonstrating.

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<v Speaker 6>And we've said this kind of for a while. They

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<v Speaker 6>have better AI underneath the hood than they're articulating, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's now coming out.

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<v Speaker 7>You can see it.

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<v Speaker 2>We said, you know, they kind of pulled up.

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<v Speaker 6>To the I race, you know, on a Toyota Camry

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<v Speaker 6>body that they have the biggest engine and they pop

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<v Speaker 6>the hood and everyone's like, whoa, this is incredible. And

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<v Speaker 6>so I think everyone was realizing. When you look at Gemini,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean we ran bench tests, it's almost equivalent to

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<v Speaker 6>chet GPT. And then you look at the breadth of

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<v Speaker 6>their offering. And again remember they own the world's Internet data,

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<v Speaker 6>so you need data users in capital for AI to work,

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<v Speaker 6>and they have all of those almost better than Meta, Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 6>many of the others. They have more data on anything

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<v Speaker 6>in the world than anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think they're proving that this engine's working.

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<v Speaker 6>The body didn't look great, you know, they're upgrading the body,

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<v Speaker 6>but the engine look is really really good.

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<v Speaker 4>But what's so interesting is clearly Microsoft is still working.

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<v Speaker 4>When you're looking at asure growth of thirty nine percent,

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<v Speaker 4>that was better than the market I anticipated. Sure it

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<v Speaker 4>might not be much of a growth uplift, but what

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<v Speaker 4>was it? What was the fly in the ointment for Microsoft?

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<v Speaker 4>Where Aimyhood again is saying, my issue is supply, not demand.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't understand the market because they just put up

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<v Speaker 6>over fifty percent RPO backlog growth and one hundred and

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<v Speaker 6>ten one hundred eleven percent commercial bookings.

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<v Speaker 2>Those numbers are insane, and that.

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<v Speaker 6>Didn't even include opening eyes two hundred and fifty billion

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<v Speaker 6>incremental dollars. So I think the market's got this wrong honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>that you got to look at the backlog. The backlog

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<v Speaker 6>is leaning indicator of health. The reported AZURE number does

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<v Speaker 6>not matter. When you're putting those backlog numbers up, that

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<v Speaker 6>tells you their capacity constrained. You can't book that kind

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<v Speaker 6>of revenue and not take it to Azure. And the

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<v Speaker 6>differential is they just can't get the capacity up right now.

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<v Speaker 6>But their customers want to spend, and their customers are

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<v Speaker 6>spending and they know that what Microsoft has. So I

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<v Speaker 6>think this is a common pattern where you're seeing massive

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<v Speaker 6>backlog growth commitments to AI from their customers, but Microsoft

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<v Speaker 6>can't literally physically provision it fast enough. And when we

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<v Speaker 6>talk to Microsoft offline, like the Azure number would be

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<v Speaker 6>way higher if we now have the capacity constraints. So

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<v Speaker 6>this is not a demand issue, This isn't a competitive issue.

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<v Speaker 6>This is an issue that the industry is facing right

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<v Speaker 6>now across the board is they can't get enough of

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<v Speaker 6>it to their customers. That number of have been way

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<v Speaker 6>higher because you can't describe the math of the backlog

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<v Speaker 6>being so high and Azure where it's at.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think again, we look at it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's important Wall Street cares like Wall Street should care

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<v Speaker 6>more about backlog and bookings. This is again what all

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<v Speaker 6>Oracle trades on. They don't care about revenue. Why does

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<v Speaker 6>everyone just care about revenue now? So I think again,

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<v Speaker 6>I think the Street's got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Streets got it wrong. Brent phil and Jeffrey's putting it right.

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<v Speaker 4>We thank you so much. But coming up more about earnings.

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<v Speaker 4>Roblock CEO David Zuki joining us to discuss the company's

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<v Speaker 4>numbers daily active users for the gaming platform and toping

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and fifty one million ED.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at Core.

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<v Speaker 3>We've shares down more than six percent. Core Scientific investors

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<v Speaker 3>have voted no on Core We've acquiring the company. You'll

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<v Speaker 3>remember that Core. We've tried to buy Core Scientific in

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<v Speaker 3>July nine billion dollars and the advisory firm said that

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<v Speaker 3>undervalued it. BI reacting saying it actually won't impact operations

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<v Speaker 3>of Coreweed but another headline on the terminal. As soon

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<v Speaker 3>as that vote was decided, Core weave to buy Marimo

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<v Speaker 3>terms not discos, maybe a sense that it's moving on

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<v Speaker 3>very quickly. We'll have more when we can. This is

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<v Speaker 3>Beningberg Tech.

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<v Speaker 4>Grow regard ninety nine Nights in the Forest, still a

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<v Speaker 4>brain rot three games, propelling Roadblocks to its highest level

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<v Speaker 4>of daily active users, a company also posting nearly two

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollars in bookings in the third quarter. Still shares

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<v Speaker 4>of the company trading lower after the earnings. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 4>all through all of this with Dave Zuki foundacy of

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<v Speaker 4>Roadblocks and Dave this growth, this is real playing commitment

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<v Speaker 4>comes at a cost, an infrastructure cost, and we see

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<v Speaker 4>costs go up because of safety that you're enacting.

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<v Speaker 5>But also the cloud compute.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you start to monetize to make up for

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<v Speaker 4>some of those costs.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, thanks for noting the amazing quarter we just had.

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<v Speaker 7>Both bookings growth was up seventy percent year on year

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<v Speaker 7>at one point nine billion, and as you noted, our

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<v Speaker 7>daily active users passed one hundred and fifty million, which

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<v Speaker 7>is up seventy percent year on year. In addition to

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<v Speaker 7>those three games you mentioned, we had seven games on

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<v Speaker 7>Roadblocks in the last quarter, past ten million daily active

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<v Speaker 7>users and a really healthy content ecosystem. Five of those

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<v Speaker 7>seven experiences were created in the last year. We've hit

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<v Speaker 7>some really peak numbers. We had forty five million concurrent

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<v Speaker 7>players all at the same time. What we said on

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<v Speaker 7>the earnings call is with all of this growth, which

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<v Speaker 7>is cumulatively averaging thirty seven percent over the last two years,

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<v Speaker 7>we are going to be spending on infra. What we

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<v Speaker 7>said is the continued decreases in costs for infra, we

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<v Speaker 7>may slow that down a bit as we spend, But

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<v Speaker 7>the final thing I want to generate is the cash

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<v Speaker 7>flow that we generated on the platform. We generated over

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<v Speaker 7>four hundred and forty million of free cash flow in

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<v Speaker 7>Q four.

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<v Speaker 2>DAVE.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking forward, then, how are you managing out some of

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<v Speaker 3>the technology plays that you made age verification technology in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that doesn't impact or slow the growth of

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<v Speaker 3>both active users in the bookings.

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<v Speaker 7>We've made a commitment a while by to what we

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<v Speaker 7>believe will be the cold standard for safety on platforms

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<v Speaker 7>like Roadblocks and throughout the industry. With new advances in AI,

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<v Speaker 7>we're going to use facial age estimation to estimate the

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<v Speaker 7>age of everyone on our platform. And in addition to

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<v Speaker 7>the text filtering we do the critical harms monitoring the

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<v Speaker 7>prevention of any image sharing. We're going to use that

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<v Speaker 7>to help gate who communicates and who they communicate with.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just in an executive staff meeting on Tuesday

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<v Speaker 7>playing with the role out of this product. It's really

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<v Speaker 7>elegant and we of course want to highlight there may

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<v Speaker 7>be some friction, but I'm really optimistic this is the

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<v Speaker 7>long term good play for Roadblocks, which is really establishing

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<v Speaker 7>the standard of how we believe safety and civility is

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<v Speaker 7>going to run in the future.

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<v Speaker 4>And that your CFO made the point that's going to

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<v Speaker 4>have long term value for shareholders. You make it again, Dave,

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<v Speaker 4>talk to us there for about the new technology, not

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<v Speaker 4>just in safety, but also in how you build gate

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<v Speaker 4>and high fidelity feeling of a game. But some of

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<v Speaker 4>these big winners that we've had, we just them at

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<v Speaker 4>the top. They are kind of more old school feeling

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<v Speaker 4>in many ways, but they're the ones breaking records, grow

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<v Speaker 4>a garden, more classic and blockie.

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<v Speaker 5>How do you compromise on that.

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<v Speaker 7>We've highlighted our vision of getting the ten percent of

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<v Speaker 7>all the global gaming content market running on roadblocks. In

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<v Speaker 7>this quarter we pass three percent, so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of room to go. We have an enormous amount of

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<v Speaker 7>new technology coming to support more diverse experiences, to support

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<v Speaker 7>different types of avatars, to support competitive gaming and genres

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<v Speaker 7>like racing or sports, to support role playing games and

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<v Speaker 7>other types. And we really do have a vision for

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<v Speaker 7>genre expansion, but in a really future looking way, and

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<v Speaker 7>that when creators make experiences on roadblocks, they run well

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<v Speaker 7>either on low end Android devices like a two gigabyte

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<v Speaker 7>Android phone, or on high end gaming piecs and they

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<v Speaker 7>run around the world. So we're optimistic. With the new technology,

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<v Speaker 7>our economics and discovery, we're going to see a diversification

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<v Speaker 7>of the types of experiences we see on our platform.

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<v Speaker 3>Dave, you want ten percent of the gaming content market?

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<v Speaker 3>That changed in the quarter. I saw layoffs at Amazon

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<v Speaker 3>and Microsoft's gaming divisions. Electronic Arts elected to go private.

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<v Speaker 3>The big publicly traded peer that you have private with

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<v Speaker 3>the saudis. React with your interpretation of what that signals

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<v Speaker 3>for the market you're trying to grow in well.

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<v Speaker 7>People estimate the global gaming market somewhere between one eighty

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<v Speaker 7>and two hundred billion. What we've seen on Roadblocks is

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<v Speaker 7>really a future forward optimistic look at gaming. We've seen

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<v Speaker 7>new types of genres given the Roadblocks platform, the ability

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<v Speaker 7>to play with friends on different devices.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>Addressed to Impress last year was a whole new type

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<v Speaker 7>of experience. People competing in a fashion show grow a garden.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm really proud of because hitting those top numbers, making

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<v Speaker 7>new records for over twenty million. Concurrence is literally a

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<v Speaker 7>game you can play either while you're there or when

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<v Speaker 7>you're not there. Your garden keeps growing when you're not playing.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think the way to think about this is

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<v Speaker 7>not just protecting a bunst the history of gaming, but

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<v Speaker 7>looking at whole new types of games that are going

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<v Speaker 7>to be built on platforms like Roadblocks and accelerated with

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<v Speaker 7>AI as every game starts to have access to AI

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<v Speaker 7>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>David Zuoki, Roadblock CEO, thank you very much. Let's stick

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<v Speaker 3>with earnings in tech. Comcast was also out before the

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<v Speaker 3>bell this morning, the company managing to slow the tide

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<v Speaker 3>of broadbanding cable TV customer defections in the third quarter

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<v Speaker 3>with help from an Internet price lock guarantee and some

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<v Speaker 3>bundle plans. Let's get out to Bloomberg's entertainment reporter Kelsey

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<v Speaker 3>Griffiths and DC give us the need to know on Comcast.

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<v Speaker 8>Ist tenth straight quarter of broadband losses. So the company

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<v Speaker 8>came into this quarter knowing that they had to do

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<v Speaker 8>something to start stemming this tide. Like you just said,

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<v Speaker 8>they did in fact succeed in kind of slowing some

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<v Speaker 8>of those losses, even though those numbers weren't positive. Necessarily,

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<v Speaker 8>they were losing customers at a slower rate than usual,

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<v Speaker 8>and so the executives were saying that some of the

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<v Speaker 8>changes they've made over this year earlier seemed to be working.

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<v Speaker 5>Seeming working, but the share price is still lower.

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<v Speaker 4>And what's interesting maybe in some of the analyst notes

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<v Speaker 4>there is a concern that maybe they'll spend more, particularly

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<v Speaker 4>when they're thinking making a bid for parts of Warner Brothers.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you make of that, Kelsey, that's right.

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<v Speaker 8>Warner Brothers is one piece of the strategy that Comcasts

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<v Speaker 8>said they're looking at, although they didn't express a really

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<v Speaker 8>high level of interest. They said, when something like this

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<v Speaker 8>in our industry comes on the market, it is something

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<v Speaker 8>that we have to take a look at. But look,

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<v Speaker 8>we're good with our content strategy even without M and A.

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<v Speaker 8>They just succeeded in Laurene Taylor Sheridan over from Paramount

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<v Speaker 8>Plus and he is going to be a really big

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<v Speaker 8>part of that content links get going forward for them.

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<v Speaker 8>They also have NBA TV rights and those are things

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<v Speaker 8>that they're really excited about in the nearer term.

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<v Speaker 5>Great roundup, Kelsey Griffiths.

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<v Speaker 4>We appreciate you on Comcast, and let's just stick with

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<v Speaker 4>the Warner Brothers story a little bit more. Because CEO

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<v Speaker 4>David Sazov said that the board would need a higher

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<v Speaker 4>bid to justify a sale at the company. He said

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<v Speaker 4>those comments during a town hall meeting for employees yesterday,

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<v Speaker 4>according to sources. Now Sazadov also told the staff that

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<v Speaker 4>the board had rejected three.

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<v Speaker 5>Offers from Paramount Skydin send.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump and China Jijingping attempt to ease trade tensions

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<v Speaker 3>inside their high stakes talks on the future of the

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<v Speaker 3>global supply chain. We have all the details. Next, this

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<v Speaker 3>is bloom Bag Tech. M H.

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<v Speaker 9>We did discuss chips and he's going to be They're

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<v Speaker 9>going to be talking to the video and others about

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<v Speaker 9>taking chips. We're not talking about the black one that

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<v Speaker 9>just came out yesterday, but.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of chips, you know, a lot of the chips,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's good for us.

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<v Speaker 3>I was President Trump speaking to reporters on board Air

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<v Speaker 3>Force one after meeting with Chinese President Jijingping, saying chips

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<v Speaker 3>were in discussion, but in Nvidia's latest blackwell was left

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<v Speaker 3>off the table.

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<v Speaker 2>Blueboks.

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<v Speaker 3>Tyler Kendall has been traveling with the President and joins

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<v Speaker 3>us from South Korea.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the absolute latest?

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<v Speaker 3>What do we need to know about that came out

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<v Speaker 3>of those talks between Trump and Jijingping.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, hey, Ed, Well, when it comes to in video chips,

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<v Speaker 10>it certainly dampens a speculation that Washington would go on

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<v Speaker 10>to approve the sale of such chips to China. President

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<v Speaker 10>Trump went on in that gaggle on Air Force one

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<v Speaker 10>to be asked specifically whether or not anything was brought

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<v Speaker 10>up about the potential for a downgraded version of the

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<v Speaker 10>Blackwell processor. He said that it was not, but that

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<v Speaker 10>ultimately in Vidia the company itself, is going to continue

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<v Speaker 10>direct talks with Washington, as you well know, and Vidia

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<v Speaker 10>has been trying to regain market access in China since

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<v Speaker 10>twenty twenty two, after going from a ninety five percent

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<v Speaker 10>market share peak down to zero. But I have to

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<v Speaker 10>say this was welcome news in Washington this morning for

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<v Speaker 10>those defense hawks who have previously advocated against such sales

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<v Speaker 10>over national security concerns, Which brings us to the broader

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<v Speaker 10>issue of the general trade talks, because while we are

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<v Speaker 10>getting this easing intentions, our own analysts at Bloomberg Economics

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<v Speaker 10>say those more fundamental issues, including national security, were not

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<v Speaker 10>ultimately addressed. But Ed and Caroline, of course, a welcome

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<v Speaker 10>news that we are seeing what appears to be at

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<v Speaker 10>least a year extension when it comes to the broader

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<v Speaker 10>trade troops.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, blueboth, Tyler Kendall, thank you so much. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>latest from South Korea. Let's get more news, Carol.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's time now aired for talking tech and first up.

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<v Speaker 4>Open Ai is said to be preparing to file for

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<v Speaker 4>an IPO as soon as next year that could value

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<v Speaker 4>the company at one trillion dollars. But it's all according

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<v Speaker 4>to a report from Reiters. The company is said to

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<v Speaker 4>be considering finding the paperwork with regulators soon as second

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<v Speaker 4>half of twenty twenty six plus. Microsoft says its cloud

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<v Speaker 4>services are recovering from an outage that disrupted workplace software

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<v Speaker 4>products and impacted several companies. For the outage prevented people

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<v Speaker 4>from checking into Alaska Airline flights, for example, and disrupted

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<v Speaker 4>features in Microsoft's own copilot AI. We are ex consultants

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<v Speaker 4>from McKinsey, from Bain, from BCG are recently contracted to

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<v Speaker 4>train AI models on entry level consulting work for open Ai.

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<v Speaker 4>Now bluemeggers learn that our gentum project is run by

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<v Speaker 4>the same third party firm using ex bankers to train

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<v Speaker 4>open ai on financial.

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<v Speaker 2>Models, said Okay coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>We have more magnificent seven earnings coming up after the

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<v Speaker 3>bell today with Apple and Amazon, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have what to expect from those giants next. Apple up

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<v Speaker 3>treading water three ten percent, Amazon down nine tens to

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<v Speaker 3>one percent. Maybe there's more read through there from the

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<v Speaker 3>other cloud names and what that might or might not

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<v Speaker 3>spell for Amazon or at least investors attitude towards it.

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<v Speaker 2>Elsewhere. We know what the story is.

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<v Speaker 3>And the top stories of the day stops moving in

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<v Speaker 3>different directions on the earnings context. Met Us down twelve percent,

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting, notably higher capex in twenty twenty six and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five. Alphabet gave us the same number of capex,

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<v Speaker 3>but they also told us how revenues directly tied to

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<v Speaker 3>AI are growing, and right now the market's rewarding that

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<v Speaker 3>with the Google pairing up five percent.

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<v Speaker 11>This is Bloomberg Tech. Welcome back to Bloomberg Tech.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's recap the three magnificent names that already reported last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Different stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Microsoft down three percent, as your growth was thirty nine

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<v Speaker 3>percent above consensus, but it was a high bar quarter.

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<v Speaker 3>Same story across all three of them, as we know

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<v Speaker 3>the capital expenditures environment. Meta told us that capital expenditures

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<v Speaker 3>would be notably larger next year than they were this year.

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<v Speaker 3>But the investor bases spooked a little bit because we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have this kind of longer term outlook for how

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<v Speaker 3>that translates to sales apart from we do from Alphabet

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<v Speaker 3>the parent of Google. So they told us what the

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<v Speaker 3>capital expenditures picture looks like, but also that they're products

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<v Speaker 3>that result from investment in data center capacity. AI models generative.

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<v Speaker 3>AI grew two hundred percent year in year, and that

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<v Speaker 3>name is up five percent in direct reaction, and there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are so many more earnings out there current.

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<v Speaker 4>There are, and another one on the rise is Service

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<v Speaker 4>now ed it gave an outlook for strong revenue growth,

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<v Speaker 4>said AI of course is helping the company reduce its

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<v Speaker 4>own costs. We spoke with Service Now CEO Bill McDermott

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<v Speaker 4>a little while ago.

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<v Speaker 12>The most important thing is to reinvent and all of

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<v Speaker 12>these back office operations and companies. So for example, in

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<v Speaker 12>our company, whether it's IT support or customer support or

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<v Speaker 12>security and risk, ninety percent of this work now is

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<v Speaker 12>being done by agents, but not at the expense of people.

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<v Speaker 12>The people in our company now have an AI teammate

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<v Speaker 12>on their shoulder to do the things.

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<v Speaker 2>That they'd really never really liked very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Earning cities and continues with both Amazon and Apple reporting

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<v Speaker 3>later today. Let's talk about what to expect, Bloomberg Execute's

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<v Speaker 3>reporter Ryan Vastellika. Let's start with Amazon. Then it's down

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<v Speaker 3>a percentage point. Maybe this read through from what we

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<v Speaker 3>learned about cloud computing from the three that went last night.

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<v Speaker 2>What are we expecting at.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, absolutely, I'd say there's absolutely people looking at the

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<v Speaker 13>results we saw last night from Microsoft and Alphabet and

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<v Speaker 13>kind of extrapolating into what we could expect from Amazon.

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<v Speaker 13>I will say that there has been growing concern about

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<v Speaker 13>the strength of AWS, that's Amazon Web Services, the cloud

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<v Speaker 13>computing business. There some concern that it is falling behind,

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<v Speaker 13>maybe losing some market share, not as quite well positioned

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<v Speaker 13>for the AI era, and maybe the fact that we

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<v Speaker 13>saw such strong results, especially out of Alphabet, maybe indicates

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<v Speaker 13>that maybe it's going to be on the back foot

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<v Speaker 13>a little bit here. There also continues to be a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of focus on how much these companies are spending. Amazon,

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<v Speaker 13>of course has very high CAPBAX levels, not only with

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<v Speaker 13>building out its data center, and cloud business, but all

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<v Speaker 13>of US logistics operations. I'll be very curious to see

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<v Speaker 13>there if we get any sort of improvement on the

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<v Speaker 13>margin front, especially when it comes to commerce. I say

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<v Speaker 13>that those are the two major things people are looking

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<v Speaker 13>at there.

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<v Speaker 4>A I use deployment all about for Amazon, almost for Apple,

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<v Speaker 4>it's ignored. We're just wondering how iPhones seventeen in air

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<v Speaker 4>are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 13>So far, it seems like the iPhone seventeen is selling

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<v Speaker 13>pretty well, especially the higher end model. So that is

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<v Speaker 13>atail one, especially when it looks at average selling prices

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<v Speaker 13>right there. People I spoke to have said that maybe

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<v Speaker 13>a lot of people who bought phones during the start

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<v Speaker 13>of COVID and the pandemic five years ago, maybe they're

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<v Speaker 13>just at a point right now where they're starting to upgrade,

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<v Speaker 13>even without AI features, even without the foldable phone that's

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<v Speaker 13>expected next year. So there is a lot of optimism

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<v Speaker 13>that the strong iPhone sales that we've been seeing indications

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<v Speaker 13>of so far, maybe there's room for this to grow

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<v Speaker 13>over the coming quarters, especially as we get new designs,

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<v Speaker 13>more AI features and so forth. Of course, now the

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<v Speaker 13>question is you have a stock that's valued at four

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<v Speaker 13>trillion dollars. It's in hitting record levels. Is all this

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<v Speaker 13>optimis is going to be justified by the results that

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<v Speaker 13>come out this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, while Amazon languishes only about two and a

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<v Speaker 4>half turning Bloomberg ran Plastelica, thank you very much, And

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<v Speaker 4>let's just talk about where investors' heads are at, how

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<v Speaker 4>they're reacting to this really busy week of earnings. Ibek

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<v Speaker 4>oskodeshkay is with our senior market's analysts over at Swiss Quote.

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<v Speaker 4>We had Brent sil from Jeffrey's on the top of

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<v Speaker 4>the show, and he said he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Understand the market right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you understand the market if you're looking at Meta

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<v Speaker 4>being sold off so hard, Alphabet rising after earnings. We'll

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<v Speaker 4>get back to her in a minute. Technology on technology

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<v Speaker 4>shows and this many years into zoom, sometimes we don't

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<v Speaker 4>press the right button, head, but really, I do think

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<v Speaker 4>the one cell coming from Meta is a key one

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<v Speaker 4>to be discussing because we have got this five vocated

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<v Speaker 4>market where we're selling off certain names, in particular when

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<v Speaker 4>we're worried about capital expenditure.

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<v Speaker 5>But what more was better.

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<v Speaker 4>To do twenty six percent growth in terms of revenue

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<v Speaker 4>record numbers. We're also thinking about what therefore that pushes

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<v Speaker 4>forward to Amazon and how much they have to vindicate

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<v Speaker 4>the spend on capital expenditure too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one thing I'd say is we go back to

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<v Speaker 3>Epek Deshkai, who I think is now good, and back

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<v Speaker 3>with us is with respect?

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<v Speaker 2>Do investors have short memories?

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<v Speaker 3>Because Meta told us in the prior quarter that CAFTO

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<v Speaker 3>expenditures would be higher in the next fiscal year, they

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<v Speaker 3>used a different language this time around, which was notably

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<v Speaker 3>larger in fiscal twenty six and twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe it's what they didn't say.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't tell us what top line or bottom line

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<v Speaker 3>growth directly from AI investments looks like what's your read?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, actually, for Meta, the investments look more more riskcared

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<v Speaker 14>than they are for Microsoft or Amazon.

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<v Speaker 15>We do have these data centers and they say that

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<v Speaker 15>if we over invest, we will have the option to

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<v Speaker 15>sell this excess capacity.

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<v Speaker 14>And if you're looking at the market reaction and the

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<v Speaker 14>mixed reaction there, we also think that macraeconic context is

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<v Speaker 14>here is very important.

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<v Speaker 15>Important in the sense that just before these.

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<v Speaker 14>Earnings came out yesterday, the Federal Reserves said that they're

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<v Speaker 14>not sure that they will be cutting the interest raised

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<v Speaker 14>by twenty five bases point. So I think that that

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<v Speaker 14>also dumpened the mood just before the earnings came in.

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<v Speaker 14>Looking at the spending these companies must spend in order

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<v Speaker 14>to keep up with the man and Microsoft has been

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<v Speaker 14>very clear about the fact that they have not been

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<v Speaker 14>able to catch up with the significantly higher demand. So

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<v Speaker 14>they must invest. They do have the free cash to invest,

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<v Speaker 14>and if they do not invest and miss the turn,

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 14>the AI turned that that would be worse for.

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 15>Investors then seeing them over investing.

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<v Speaker 14>So I think that in the in the context of

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<v Speaker 14>the actual growth, these companies must invest and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 14>really bother us as long as there are no concerns

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<v Speaker 14>about oversupply, and this is not the case right now.

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<v Speaker 4>You got Meta said if they have too much compute,

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<v Speaker 4>they can start selling it to others.

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<v Speaker 5>So is this an air pocket?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this just where people buy into weakness or is

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<v Speaker 4>there going to be a significant pullback in questioning of

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<v Speaker 4>the market rit large if the FED isn't going to

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<v Speaker 4>be cut in come December.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I think that the FED situation could eventually lead

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<v Speaker 14>to a certain pullback in valiations. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 14>that that's going to be a bubble pop kind of

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 14>a market's reaction, because these companies must invest now in

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<v Speaker 14>order to make sure that they don't hit into capacity

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<v Speaker 14>constraints one year, one and a half year from now.

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<v Speaker 14>I believe that investors understand that there is a bpoort

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<v Speaker 14>showing that or claiming that the data capacity computing needs

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 14>will be doubling every nine to eighteen months due to

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 14>our AI application, So these companies must keep up with

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<v Speaker 14>that pace. And again I believe that these fending plants

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<v Speaker 14>have been almost in fairly you know.

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<v Speaker 15>Put out there, so they have being revised higher. But

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<v Speaker 15>this is not this is not a surprise coming in

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<v Speaker 15>right now.

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<v Speaker 14>Looking at the deals and the strength of the demand

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 14>that we see in the sector, these companies are out

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<v Speaker 14>there trying to keep up with the demand. And I

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<v Speaker 14>believe that again, as the executives are also saying, not

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<v Speaker 14>keeping up with the demand or risking to head into

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<v Speaker 14>capacity constraints is worse than over investing right now.

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<v Speaker 4>What's interesting is, of course, perhaps just to show the

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<v Speaker 4>amount of spend that was necessary, Meta comes to market

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<v Speaker 4>with a ginormous twenty five billion dollar bond sale and

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<v Speaker 4>talk to us about demand across assets for AI related companies.

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<v Speaker 4>Should we pull back inequities that their record highs. How

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<v Speaker 4>is demand looking for the bond side of the equation.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, I think the bond side is also looking well.

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<v Speaker 14>Especially right now we have seen that the bond sales

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<v Speaker 14>are have been quite interesting for these companies. I believe

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<v Speaker 14>that in the actual environment as well, the bond sales

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<v Speaker 14>are going to be interesting. So the investors who are

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<v Speaker 14>not necessarily willing to take the equator risk at the

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<v Speaker 14>higher valuations, they will be plugging into the bond side

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<v Speaker 14>of the market. You are not expecting them to move separately.

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<v Speaker 14>You expect them to do to move in tandem. But

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<v Speaker 14>on the bond side the potential of rises less and

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<v Speaker 14>the risk that we're taken for.

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<v Speaker 15>It is also less.

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<v Speaker 14>So this is another way of taking exposure and passive

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<v Speaker 14>exposure to these companies without however, taking the risk of

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<v Speaker 14>the equity fluctuations.

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<v Speaker 2>Epeck.

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<v Speaker 3>If I take the earning statements and cool transcripts of

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<v Speaker 3>all the tech earnings we have so far, run them

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<v Speaker 3>through chat GPT and ask chat GPT to cross reference

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<v Speaker 3>for a theme that is not capital expenditures what would

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<v Speaker 3>I get. What else do you see that they have

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<v Speaker 3>common between them?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, the couple of expenditures are actually rising.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 15>I have an ass chat.

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<v Speaker 14>Topt what he thinks about it. But what we see

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<v Speaker 14>is that this is growing exponentially and there is investment

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<v Speaker 14>worries about that. But if you do not invest today

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<v Speaker 14>again a year and a year and a half from now,

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<v Speaker 14>you might into bigger capacity constraints. What's happening right now

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<v Speaker 14>is if today, for man one prosoft for example, you

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<v Speaker 14>are not able to catch up with the demand, then

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<v Speaker 14>tomorrow is going to be a harder because you know,

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<v Speaker 14>we're just going divergently because the demand is going to

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<v Speaker 14>be exponentially rising.

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<v Speaker 15>And that's the main issue.

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<v Speaker 14>That's why these companies are investing so badly or so highly.

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<v Speaker 15>And this is I think what chatteropt will tell you.

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<v Speaker 14>Because as AI applications will be and running, demand for

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<v Speaker 14>competing is going to rise exponentially. And this is exactly

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<v Speaker 14>why Nvidia is also not only concentrating today on the

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<v Speaker 14>AI applications, but all on the networks and intelligence networks

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 14>as well, to make sure that even the networks and

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 14>the pipelines will be able to handle all that data

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<v Speaker 14>flow down the road.

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<v Speaker 3>We did get a FED cut quarter point for a

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<v Speaker 3>second consecutive meeting, and we did get a warning that

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<v Speaker 3>a December rate cut is not a foregone, foregone conclusion.

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<v Speaker 3>Ipek Oskar Deshkaya Senior Markets and list at Swiss Quote

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<v Speaker 3>having earnings and FED story ic