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Speaker 1: Welcome in Thursday Night edition, A beautiful Thursday night. Hopefully
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Speaker 1: glad you are with me. I'm your host, John Harris,
Speaker 1: football analyst and sideline reporter for your Houston Texans. Can
Speaker 1: be joined by Mark Vannimir later in the show. But
Speaker 1: joining me right off the top is the General, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer John McClain from the Houston Chronicle. General,
Speaker 1: how are you doing this evening, John? I'm doing well.
Speaker 1: I hope you are a tision Well, yeah, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta say pretty well, and I'm gonna say right
Speaker 1: out the shoot, We've got a lot a lot to
Speaker 1: get to right out of the shoot. I said this
Speaker 1: last night. With the legal situation that's going on with
Speaker 1: Sean Watson, that's not something that that any of us.
Speaker 1: The Texas have put out statements. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: philosophy we're following as well, actually required to follow, So
Speaker 1: we're not really going to be discussing that situation. You
Speaker 1: can listen to our guys on Sports Radia sixteen. I
Speaker 1: think they've done a nice job kind of encapsulating all
Speaker 1: that goes on. But we are going to talk football
Speaker 1: in general. We talked to you last Thursday. We're heading
Speaker 1: into free agency where I don't know we were four
Speaker 1: or five days away. Just in general. Did you see
Speaker 1: any of what the Texans we're doing with the two
Speaker 1: big moves over the weekend and then about twenty five
Speaker 1: different signings that they've had. I didn't expect to see
Speaker 1: such a flurry of activity. Did you think this was
Speaker 1: gonna happen? No? I don't know anybody could expected Nikelsario
Speaker 1: to make many deals. He's the contract negotiator as he
Speaker 1: was in New England. He is wisely signing guys for
Speaker 1: one or two year deals. He is now. One thing
Speaker 1: surprised me. I thought he would work hard to get
Speaker 1: as many compensatory picks in two thousand and twenty two
Speaker 1: as possible, But he's signed a lot of players who
Speaker 1: will fit into the compensatory formula, depending on if they
Speaker 1: make the team out they play what the contract is.
Speaker 1: And I like the way he's gone about it. John.
Speaker 1: He's not blowing money on a player that might be
Speaker 1: used up by the time they're good again. I at
Speaker 1: a station in Carolina called me and seeing man they'll
Speaker 1: trade Christian McCaffrey. I's so, wait a minute, why would
Speaker 1: it Texans one McCaffrey. He catches as he runs. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get beaten up for a couple of years. And
Speaker 1: this is a rebuild. It is. Nobody likes to use
Speaker 1: the R word, but that's what it is. Be honest
Speaker 1: about it. You can tell by the moves that Nick
Speaker 1: Assario is making that he considers this a rebuild. He's
Speaker 1: at it, He's added depth, He's at a competition some
Speaker 1: of these guys may start. He's really helped special teams
Speaker 1: that are already good, and not just with Andre Roberts,
Speaker 1: a premium returning guy, but with guys who can cover kicks,
Speaker 1: and that was a strength anyway. I was really surprised
Speaker 1: when he cut Brian Anger, because I think Anger has
Speaker 1: been tremendous in his two seasons here, but he signed
Speaker 1: so many players. I can't keep up with all of them.
Speaker 1: And I thought at one point, John, I think I
Speaker 1: said the sixteen I expected by the time the fifty
Speaker 1: three man roster was set the first week of September,
Speaker 1: more than fifty percent of the roster would be transformed.
Speaker 1: And ordinarily it's about forty percent, and now I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it could be sixty to sixty five percent of it
Speaker 1: because there's more a free agency. There's the second wave
Speaker 1: and the third wave when here's the minimum taking or
Speaker 1: don't play. So be Causario is going to sign more
Speaker 1: right now. He has eight draft choices. You know, based
Speaker 1: on the way they operated in New England, he's operating
Speaker 1: on that the same way here. Give guys you think
Speaker 1: you get for good value, and that's what they've done.
Speaker 1: So man, you talk about not telling the players without
Speaker 1: a program, Texans ought to be able to sell a
Speaker 1: lot of programs next season to keep up with all
Speaker 1: these new players on the roster. Yeah, no doubt. And
Speaker 1: the two that obviously in general we have not the
Speaker 1: Texans have not announced this, but it's out there. It's
Speaker 1: been you know, we give it the According to sources
Speaker 1: notification if you will, because it hasn't you know, physicals
Speaker 1: have to be passed, etc. But the two moves to
Speaker 1: that actually happened. I think it happened on the same
Speaker 1: day and it started before the legal tampering period, and
Speaker 1: that those are the two trades. General wa go there,
Speaker 1: Shack Lawson, I think being traded for Bernardrick McKinney. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say, you know, stroke a genius or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but I didn't think that Bernardrick was
Speaker 1: coming back for this team in twenty twenty one. I
Speaker 1: was surprised not only that they got something for Bernardrick McKinney,
Speaker 1: but they actually got a player, a young player with
Speaker 1: still some upside at a key position like four three
Speaker 1: defensive and that sets the edge against the running can
Speaker 1: rush the quarterback. What'd you think and what'd you make
Speaker 1: of the deal for Bernardrick McKinney to get shock lost
Speaker 1: and in return Bernardrick did not fit love He's just
Speaker 1: four three defense mental linebackers, got a drop and cup
Speaker 1: you can do that. Looks like they're not going to
Speaker 1: resign to Roll Adams right now. I think Christen Kirks
Speaker 1: and maybe Whitney merciless. If he had the pencil and
Speaker 1: starters right now with Cunningham, that would be it. With
Speaker 1: I'm guest seeing Lawson many who hall in Blacklock as
Speaker 1: a starting alignment assuming Blacklock steps up in the four
Speaker 1: to three. I remember late last season when we were
Speaker 1: talking to Romeo Cornell about Blacklock, who had a very
Speaker 1: disappointing roots season. He mentioned some one time about the system.
Speaker 1: Kind of well, I think what he meant doesn't fit
Speaker 1: what he does best. It's what they played, it's what
Speaker 1: fit the others. So now in a system where you
Speaker 1: get off the ball and get up the field, and
Speaker 1: the fact he's going into a second season when a
Speaker 1: lot of rookies make big, big improvement, I think it
Speaker 1: could be ideal for him. And Lawson was more suited
Speaker 1: for a four three defensive end on the week side
Speaker 1: than he was playing outside linebacker at Miami and dropping
Speaker 1: sometimes he's almost two hundred and seventy pounds, it's hard
Speaker 1: to run and cover. And when you're two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy pounds, So getting bernardric and I thought, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if they would cut him or if they'd redo
Speaker 1: his contract, but it would have been a tough fit.
Speaker 1: The only way they could have kept him is it
Speaker 1: say they want to move Cunning him to the weekside
Speaker 1: outside linebacker where you got to run and cover and
Speaker 1: leave Benardrick in the middle. And we all know his
Speaker 1: strength was against the run. And one thing I've heard
Speaker 1: about Shack Lawson, he plays a run hard and we
Speaker 1: all know that run defense needs to improve after being
Speaker 1: the worst Enfranchise history and the worst in the NFL,
Speaker 1: which is one reason they're changing as much as they are,
Speaker 1: because on defense, the only got one way to go.
Speaker 1: So I like that trade a lot, and only time
Speaker 1: will tell if it's a good one. After the season,
Speaker 1: Shack Lawson added at defensive end Vincent Taylor, MALIEK Collins
Speaker 1: added at defensive tackle. John. I still don't think that's
Speaker 1: enough on the defensive line. I think in the draft
Speaker 1: they'll definitely look to potentially add even more size in
Speaker 1: the middle to help against that run. I still think
Speaker 1: losing DJ Reader is a killer. From two years ago
Speaker 1: or from twenty nineteen, the other trade that was made John,
Speaker 1: this one becomes really really interesting to me. First of all,
Speaker 1: I was a huge Marcus Cannon fan when he was
Speaker 1: coming out of TCU. I love the guy. He has
Speaker 1: traded four The deal is I think a swap of
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth round picks and then a six round pick.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The key thing is Marcus Cannon's coming
Speaker 1: to Houston to be part of this offensive line. He
Speaker 1: opted out of twenty twenty. He's a cancer survivor. He's
Speaker 1: thirty three years old, but he had a full year
Speaker 1: of not taking eight hundred to nine hundred car crashes
Speaker 1: throughout an entire calendar year. Now there's Larry Tunsil, there's
Speaker 1: Titus Howard. Cannon played right tackle where Howard is right now.
Speaker 1: The Texans do have a need inside at guard. After
Speaker 1: signing Justin Britton, then releasing Zach Fulton, all that goes together, John,
Speaker 1: how would you say the Texans are going to configure
Speaker 1: that line for twenty twenty one? Ncessario was there. He
Speaker 1: was a personel director when he was drafted, and he
Speaker 1: beat cancer early in his career. He's a lucky had
Speaker 1: to teach you in two thousand eleven, but he's been
Speaker 1: a right tackle. I looked it up. He played guard once,
Speaker 1: did not play well. They moved into right tackle. Now,
Speaker 1: at this stage of his career. Maybe he could slide
Speaker 1: back inside and it would be an easier transition. But
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, John having that season off and they
Speaker 1: say he's worked like crazy and he's a big guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's six six and I don't know what Nobody has
Speaker 1: any idea what he weighs right now, and except to
Speaker 1: Texans will when he passes the physical. But just adding
Speaker 1: the competition the offensive line is good. They've got some
Speaker 1: big guys. You know, there's I think if you look
Speaker 1: at some of the guys on this team, they do
Speaker 1: have some talent. Offensive tackles are one. Zach Cunningham's another one.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they think about Max Sharping, who
Speaker 1: was impressive, is rookie and not play well last season.
Speaker 1: They're banking on Justin Britt coming back from a knee injury.
Speaker 1: But they've got to have more depth in the line.
Speaker 1: You're to my defensive line. They're not through. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of free agents still out there. Nicko
Speaker 1: Sarrio is going to sign more and then he's going
Speaker 1: to draft him. It's almost like, you know, get the
Speaker 1: free agents, get more free agents. You don't have to
Speaker 1: pay much for these guys. Agents are smart. You're most
Speaker 1: guys are not going to break the bank with a
Speaker 1: salary cap has fallen as much as it has. Best
Speaker 1: to try to do it next year when it goes
Speaker 1: back up really over the next two years. So I
Speaker 1: think Cannon was a really good Addison didn't cause him
Speaker 1: a player, and I'm eager to see what can Sario's doing.
Speaker 1: I'm really confident that he can be the architect of
Speaker 1: this rebuild. It's not gonna happen one off season. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen in two off seasons. But it's sure interesting.
Speaker 1: There's a revolving door over there, and it is spending
Speaker 1: so fast you better not get in the butt when
Speaker 1: you go through it. I remember when the Seahawks John
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, and every year NFL Network does
Speaker 1: America's Game recapping, basically an hour documentary talking about that team,
Speaker 1: and for some teams they go back a little bit
Speaker 1: in history to kind of tell the story of that team,
Speaker 1: they need to go back a few years. And when
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll got there in twenty ten to Seattle with
Speaker 1: John Schneider at that point as Jim, they set the
Speaker 1: record for the most transactions in a particular year, and
Speaker 1: essentially what they were doing was churning the bottom of
Speaker 1: the roster, essentially trying to find the right mix of
Speaker 1: guys that we're gonna end up making that roster. And
Speaker 1: then that churn sort of stopped once they found the
Speaker 1: right mix, added Russell Wilson to it, then win super bowls.
Speaker 1: And I always think about that team in particular out
Speaker 1: in Seattle that had all those transactions. Look, well, all
Speaker 1: these transactions lead to a super Bowl in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one for the Texans. Boll. I love it, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that's it is the goal. But I don't
Speaker 1: know that that's where this is going to lead at
Speaker 1: least this year. Down the road, could it? Sure? But
Speaker 1: you need a few drafts, you need a few other pieces,
Speaker 1: and obviously, when the salary cap does go up, hopefully
Speaker 1: you'll be in good salary cap position to be able
Speaker 1: to make some moves when that does come to fruition. John,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Andre Roberts. He's one of the signings you have.
Speaker 1: Malie Collins, he was another defensive tackle that was added
Speaker 1: to the mix. Is there a signing or two, John,
Speaker 1: to you in your opinion that sort of stood out
Speaker 1: to you like, WHOA. I kind of like what they're
Speaker 1: doing with these decisions right here, with those signings other
Speaker 1: free agents that they've signed through today. Um, who is
Speaker 1: the guy that started for Washington last year? Oh, linebacker?
Speaker 1: And yeah he started. I could see him competing for
Speaker 1: a starting job. Terrence Brooks the safety if Malie Collins
Speaker 1: played the way he did in his best chears with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Yes, they're taking chances on guys. And because
Speaker 1: Sario knows they're not all gonna make it, he and
Speaker 1: the personnel people know. I'm guessing if half of them
Speaker 1: made the team, that would be good because it hasn't
Speaker 1: cost them too much money, and it's worth the risk
Speaker 1: of signing so many guys because you need so many help,
Speaker 1: so much help, especially on defense. And so something I'm
Speaker 1: curious about, you know, if they thought, now I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about the legal issues with Watson, but if they
Speaker 1: thought there was a chance Watson would be back here
Speaker 1: as a player and they weren't going to trade him.
Speaker 1: They get rid of Will Fuller, Darren Fells his joe
Speaker 1: to receiver in the red zone, and Nick Martin is
Speaker 1: good fred who is his center. So that's three guys
Speaker 1: Watson was close to and so all of them have
Speaker 1: to be replaced in one way or another. So the
Speaker 1: tight ends and I know they made that trade, you know,
Speaker 1: And this is the way it was with Gary Kesbiak,
Speaker 1: and people complained he's bringing in too many guys from Denver.
Speaker 1: Natie going to complain because Sario's bringing in too many
Speaker 1: guys from New England. But we got to give him
Speaker 1: a chance. But the player that we've been fascinated about
Speaker 1: for two years flashed just a little last year. Well
Speaker 1: this could help Holly Wearing get more opportunities because they
Speaker 1: brought back Farrell Brown, who I thought in the role
Speaker 1: he played doing different things. He was a terriftic addition,
Speaker 1: and everybody thinks Bill and made nothing but bad moves,
Speaker 1: And he did make some bad moves, but he made
Speaker 1: some good ones as well. And I like Farrell Brown,
Speaker 1: and everybody loves Jordan Nakeds. Last year, when the trading
Speaker 1: deadline came, they had more people calling about Jordan Nakeds
Speaker 1: than any player on the team. Wisely Jack easter Be,
Speaker 1: who was interimgm he didn't make that deal. He kept
Speaker 1: Jordan Nakeds and I think that's gonna pay off and
Speaker 1: he's gonna get more opportunities, but right now they have
Speaker 1: for maybe they'll cut Wearing. We don't know what Casario
Speaker 1: thought about him when he was available in the draft,
Speaker 1: and Casario scattered him thoroughly. Maybe he liked him a lot.
Speaker 1: But that's one of the of the tight ends. That's
Speaker 1: the one I'm most intrigued by. And I say that
Speaker 1: he might get cut tomorrow. But there have been so
Speaker 1: many free agents that he's signed. I can't keep I
Speaker 1: can't keep track of him. In fact, one was just signed.
Speaker 1: And John, if you asked me that same question to
Speaker 1: ask you, hey, what's the signs would you be would
Speaker 1: you be happiest with? I think it's the one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Desimond King signing. I mean from a standpoint of
Speaker 1: when you look around the league now and you just
Speaker 1: look around football, I mean, colleges just come out and
Speaker 1: say it. They're running a stack three three five, they're
Speaker 1: playing five dbs. NFL teams won't really say it, but
Speaker 1: they're playing a nickel seventy to seventy five percent at
Speaker 1: a time. You better have a nickel that can cover
Speaker 1: on the inside. And Desmond King strikes me as somebody
Speaker 1: that has done it before. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 1: he's one heck of a return guy too, if you
Speaker 1: need him to be. And they've got I think two
Speaker 1: or three guys that they've brought in, Andre Roberts being
Speaker 1: one that could be a return guy. John I kind
Speaker 1: of like the Desimond King signing a lot actually to
Speaker 1: come in and help this secondary. He is still just
Speaker 1: twenty six, I think. And when he was with the Chargers,
Speaker 1: people are really excited about it. He looked good. And
Speaker 1: then last Jerry ended up I think Tennessee tennant. He
Speaker 1: was in in a seat. But any corner they get
Speaker 1: is good. Terrence Mitchell, I don't care who else it is.
Speaker 1: They got to get some talent there. They got Bradley Roby,
Speaker 1: and they got Kean Crossing and Cornbell Armstrong and Ronon
Speaker 1: Hargraves and now Dasmond King and about three or four
Speaker 1: other guys they've signed. So there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of competition. And when they make their first peak in
Speaker 1: the third round, and it's gonna be a position that
Speaker 1: they need, they're gonna say they both take the best athlete.
Speaker 1: They're gonna take the best athlete and a need position
Speaker 1: and I've thought now for a while it would be
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, whether it was an outside guy or
Speaker 1: somebody who could penetrate up the middle or cornerback, because
Speaker 1: they have such a need at both those positions. And
Speaker 1: think about the competition right now with all these new
Speaker 1: guys and safety just as safety, Justin Reid, Lonnie Johnson,
Speaker 1: Rig Murray, A. J. Moore, Terence Brooks, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's more. And so I can't wait for the offseason program.
Speaker 1: Hopefully there will be an off season program, but it
Speaker 1: looks like we will have preseason games. I have hated
Speaker 1: preseason games forever, especially when I started there were six
Speaker 1: of them. But now without preseason games last year and
Speaker 1: such a roster turnover engineered by Nick Serio that David
Speaker 1: Culley and his coaches have to make sure they know
Speaker 1: how to utilize these guys. I'm pumped about camp. I'm
Speaker 1: pumped about preseason to see how they are. And they'll
Speaker 1: still have two fourth round picks. They won't have the
Speaker 1: one they got from Arizona that went to New England
Speaker 1: and to Marcus Cannondale, but they'll have New England's if
Speaker 1: somebody they got a four from somebody new England didn't
Speaker 1: give them theirs because it's hiring Arizonas. But so I'm
Speaker 1: guessing it'll be on defense. I don't think. I still
Speaker 1: think they're gonna sign another direct. You know they're gonna
Speaker 1: add receivers. You can get receivers cheap. This is there's
Speaker 1: so much depth and receiver and free agency in a
Speaker 1: draft you don't need to be spending money on them.
Speaker 1: And that's why Will Fuller had to take a one
Speaker 1: year dale and why guys like Kenny Galla Day and
Speaker 1: jesusmand Schuster thought they were going to clean up and
Speaker 1: they're not that receiver market. That first day when no receiver,
Speaker 1: no big name receiver, after Godwin and Robinson were franchised
Speaker 1: by the respective teams, I felt like, man, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: see what man, this opens things up. Teams are really
Speaker 1: going to come out to these receivers, and there was
Speaker 1: nobody signed. I think for the first two days. John,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh boy, these receivers are about to get
Speaker 1: a root awakening for the market they think is out there,
Speaker 1: but really is it? And also, like you said, adding
Speaker 1: on to that, this group of rookie wide receivers that's
Speaker 1: common is as good as it was last year. So
Speaker 1: you know what, as they say, bring on the cheap
Speaker 1: labor as a post too. I gotta pay ten million
Speaker 1: dollars for a guy that I'm not totally sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: Miami just went with a one year deal with a
Speaker 1: guy we watched for five years, not even play sixteen
Speaker 1: games in a year. So you know, Miami's given up
Speaker 1: eight figures a year to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: But that ninety billion dollars contract must have been a
Speaker 1: site to see for those those guys. All those guys
Speaker 1: that signed one year deals are going, oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get paid. I'm gonna get paid next offseason. General,
Speaker 1: what did you think was the most I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've got a chance to look at all that
Speaker 1: that TV deal stuff, but was there anything that stood
Speaker 1: out to you most about the TV deal that was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that happening. Uh No, we knew about Amazon,
Speaker 1: we knew about the Thursday Night package, what was being considered.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's why everybody wants to know
Speaker 1: in an NFL franchise, because even though they lost, they
Speaker 1: didn't lose money last year, but they took a bath
Speaker 1: in home games for as for reasons about the pandemic.
Speaker 1: But they make a fortune in TV money. Now. It's
Speaker 1: not all of a sudden that they're going to go
Speaker 1: from two hundred ninety five million a year to five
Speaker 1: hundred ninety five million. It will be stair steps the
Speaker 1: way it always is. But man, to have that, to
Speaker 1: know as an NFL owner that you have that kind
Speaker 1: of network security for another eleven years, that's great. And
Speaker 1: if you're going to buy an NFL team, say can
Speaker 1: say the McNair family all of a sudden wanted to
Speaker 1: sell people line up because they know from that contract, man,
Speaker 1: we're going to get this money over the next eleven years.
Speaker 1: So I can give you three billion dollars. That just
Speaker 1: made the value of the franchises go up even more.
Speaker 1: And the next owner, whoever it is, that sells. My goodness,
Speaker 1: we thought that, Dave Tepper and Caroline. I think whether
Speaker 1: you pay two point three something like that, sex wouldn't
Speaker 1: be three billion, It would be amazing, unbelievable. General, thank
Speaker 1: you so very much. I know you got fighting Baylor
Speaker 1: Bears basketball on your mind coming up very very soon.
Speaker 1: What you got going on in the Chronicle this week.
Speaker 1: We've got columns, we've got podcasts, we've got stories, a
Speaker 1: lot of Texans of cores, rockets, astros in sea and
Speaker 1: since you brought it up, I'll tell you this sick them.
Speaker 1: There you go, John, Thank you very much. There is
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Speaker 1: go down the top ten? Now, we'll do that for
Speaker 1: another show. Okay, well I want to ask you this
Speaker 1: just real facets. We're on music. H huh. All right,
Speaker 1: So I sent you a link I don't know about
Speaker 1: a month maybe not about to go about two, three
Speaker 1: weeks ago of this guy. He's got a YouTube channel
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's a musician of some sort, and so
Speaker 1: he did like all these countdowns, and so there's one
Speaker 1: that I haven't yet gotten all the way through, but
Speaker 1: it was the top twenty keyboard openings to a song
Speaker 1: of all time. Yeah, so he didn't do that. He's
Speaker 1: more a guitar bass player, so he got another pianist
Speaker 1: to come in, or keyboard guy to come in. This
Speaker 1: guy's phenomenal because he plays a lot of songs I
Speaker 1: haven't got all the way through, and some of that
Speaker 1: they've got from ten to eleven to twenty are almost
Speaker 1: better than some that I've heard earlier. But I haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to the top five yet. In your opinion, the
Speaker 1: what do you think is the best keyboard intro to
Speaker 1: a song. I have one. I don't know that I've
Speaker 1: heard it yet. I have one. You know. It's funny
Speaker 1: because the guitar one that you sent me, I could
Speaker 1: go on and on, right, Yeah, the keyboard I got
Speaker 1: to think about a little bit more. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think about all the great ones like Piano Man
Speaker 1: by Billy Joel. You know, I'm thinking, you know, it
Speaker 1: just popped into my head. I don't think it's the
Speaker 1: top five one, but Cold as Ice by four things,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it hits it hard. You know, there's so
Speaker 1: many good ones and people are gonna be killing me,
Speaker 1: but you put me on the spot, evil woman l Yeah, Dan, Dan, Dan,
Speaker 1: you know that that kind of stuff. And I can
Speaker 1: play those two, by the way, because I can fake piano.
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time, like, well, you play guitar,
Speaker 1: you play I can fake piano for about seven minutes
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's all I got is seven minutes
Speaker 1: of piano material. I can't even fake piano. You'd have
Speaker 1: to take all the keys away or I don't know,
Speaker 1: there'd be no way. The one I was thinking about
Speaker 1: was um uh that the Separate Ways from Journey. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a good Yeah, that was the one that
Speaker 1: bumped into my head. So hopefully that'll be I think
Speaker 1: in the top eight or so. But I was curious
Speaker 1: because I just started that. I was like, oh, I've
Speaker 1: been Marko no um, so yeah, there's some there's some
Speaker 1: good ones there. Anyways, Mark, we have playing and talk
Speaker 1: to us. We talked to the general in the first segment,
Speaker 1: and we I mean we hit on everything because it's
Speaker 1: been a week since we talked to him, and my goodness,
Speaker 1: seven days in the NFL and all the things that
Speaker 1: have happened, especially here in Houston, holy smokes. But today
Speaker 1: I want to start here. Texans release two veterans, Darren
Speaker 1: Fells and Brian Anger. A. Your level of surprise, a
Speaker 1: shock at that, and b just your overall thought about
Speaker 1: what those two guys brought, even in short amount of
Speaker 1: time being here with the Texans. Well, I think they
Speaker 1: brought both brought a nice contribution to this organization. And
Speaker 1: we've seen punting not go as well as it could.
Speaker 1: This is an underrated skill sometimes. You know, it's funny
Speaker 1: because when at times when Texans punting has been a
Speaker 1: little shaky, I've thought why can't we get one of
Speaker 1: those guys. You know, we've been playing a certain team
Speaker 1: some week and somebody's booming sixty yarders with you know,
Speaker 1: the appropriate hang time and hanging punts inside the ten
Speaker 1: and I'm jealous. But Anger didn't make me jealous of anybody.
Speaker 1: Anger was real good here. You know, we were boiled
Speaker 1: with Lechler for a long time. Trevor Daniel had some moments,
Speaker 1: but he also had some moments he wanted back right.
Speaker 1: You know. Matt Turk was pretty good. You know. It's
Speaker 1: funny though, because when Chad Stanley putted here, and I
Speaker 1: loved Chad and he was pretty solid and you know,
Speaker 1: his good ball handler on holds and things like that,
Speaker 1: and him and Chris Brown once ran the option on
Speaker 1: a play that was kind of fun and that just
Speaker 1: stands out in my mind. But when we got like
Speaker 1: a Matt Turk in after having Chad Stanley for a while,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, this is different. It's different, And then
Speaker 1: you get a Lechler and it's very different. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got control of the ball. So I felt like
Speaker 1: Anger was real good. But I know they saved some
Speaker 1: money and I'm you know, you just better get somebody John.
Speaker 1: You know, I told my story many times about being
Speaker 1: at the combine and watching punning tryouts, and that was
Speaker 1: the revelation I had that day, which was, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is why Putter's last so long. This is hard to do.
Speaker 1: These college guys trying to do this pro stuff not
Speaker 1: as easy as you would think, especially in college when
Speaker 1: they do all the rugby punting that they don't want
Speaker 1: to see in the NFL as much. So I was
Speaker 1: not surprised, but because it happens, but you better replace
Speaker 1: him with somebody good and felzy. Look, we love Fells.
Speaker 1: Played pro basketball for six years and we've interviewed him
Speaker 1: plenty of times over there. I love talking to him
Speaker 1: about stuff like that, his life, his experiences and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: holds the all time tight end TD reception record for
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. Solid performer. I'll miss him, but look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust Nick, and Nick we trust with this
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like going to break the bank to
Speaker 1: keep Felsy. He had a situation here where he could
Speaker 1: go ahead and make that deal for Ryan Izzo as
Speaker 1: he read the reports today, and let's just see how
Speaker 1: it unfolds. I think they have a plan and it
Speaker 1: should be just as good, if not better, as anything
Speaker 1: they've had lately at that position group. I remember when
Speaker 1: Fells came into our studio and we were cycling through
Speaker 1: guys I think a man been during Ota offseason time
Speaker 1: and we had just had or Jordan Thomas was just
Speaker 1: in the Fells was coming in behind him, and Jordan
Speaker 1: Thomas is like, yeah, we joke with Yog about being
Speaker 1: the right right tackle or left left tackle, and then
Speaker 1: we asked Fells about it and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know what my role is. I know what it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be. And then the guy went out and set
Speaker 1: a record for tight ends scoring touchdowns in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: it was and he maybe we should have had one
Speaker 1: more but he came up like three or four inches
Speaker 1: short against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you know, but we
Speaker 1: remember for the one against the Raiders that that put
Speaker 1: us the lead in that one, you know, the one
Speaker 1: against the Falcons where he went over the guy's head
Speaker 1: and that was like was he was almost dunking on
Speaker 1: him and then he just kind of held it up
Speaker 1: there and his safety couldn't be So he was here
Speaker 1: for you know, two seasons but he will be I think,
Speaker 1: I think he will be remembered for a long time
Speaker 1: just for his contributions, and I think for the guys
Speaker 1: that continue to play that were near him no respect
Speaker 1: his you know, his captain like behavior, you know in
Speaker 1: that meeting room, and the veteran voice that he brought.
Speaker 1: I think those two guys will be will be missed.
Speaker 1: I there's there's a big part of me, if not
Speaker 1: all of me, that thought, And I don't know that
Speaker 1: we're gonna see Darren back Anger. I thought, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because to your point about punting, man, you'd you'd really
Speaker 1: like to have somebody that you could absolutely count on
Speaker 1: because you take it for granted until you don't have it.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that always kind of worries me
Speaker 1: about punting. And it was kind of like with Lechler.
Speaker 1: When Leckler was gone, you know, Trevor came on and
Speaker 1: the first two games that year he didn't punt well
Speaker 1: and it may may have cost us in the in
Speaker 1: the Tennessee game in twenty eighteen in Week two, but
Speaker 1: then he started kind of getting into groove and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he became a pretty nice asset. Anger
Speaker 1: came along and it was like whoa, wow, this is
Speaker 1: this is what we've been missing since Leckler left. So um,
Speaker 1: those two guys will will definitely be missed. You mentioned
Speaker 1: Ryan Is and him coming over from the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: That now makes the tight end room Callie Wearing, Wearing,
Speaker 1: Jordan Nakins, Ryan Iszo and I don't oh, and uh,
Speaker 1: Paul Quizenberry, I think that's all the time. I think
Speaker 1: that's all the tight ends. I know you probably want
Speaker 1: to bring somebody in as a you know, a roster
Speaker 1: body in some sense for training camp, etc. But Mark,
Speaker 1: do you think they'll dip their toe into the draft
Speaker 1: at tight end or do you think that's completely out
Speaker 1: at this point? Wait? Did you say Pharaoh though? Did
Speaker 1: you include and Pharrell Brown Man? I forgot about Farrell Brown? Yeah,
Speaker 1: akings Phararell Brown, Callie Waring, Brianzzo and Paul Quizber's five.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody. I don't know anybody comes in
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, I don't. I don't know either.
Speaker 1: And you've said many times that it's not a deep
Speaker 1: tight end class, which also could mean later in the
Speaker 1: draft maybe there's somebody a pickup that just fell through
Speaker 1: the crack and he could end up making your team.
Speaker 1: Because we've always talked about this position group as the
Speaker 1: mystery slash surprise position group where you do get things
Speaker 1: like Farrell Brown comes in. For instance, when he got
Speaker 1: on the roster, I thought, all right, what's he gonna
Speaker 1: do because we have these other guys and look, I mean,
Speaker 1: we want to see Wearing do something. And I know
Speaker 1: it's a different kind of tight end. That's a different
Speaker 1: brand of tight end you're talking about, But I thought
Speaker 1: we have enough there, and all of a sudden, Farrell
Speaker 1: Brown is making plays. You're thinking this, Farrell Brown looks
Speaker 1: pretty good and clearly they feel that way too, and
Speaker 1: Nick knows Ryanzzh well, so he feels like he can
Speaker 1: help this football team. So I do think they're okay.
Speaker 1: I want to ask Jordan Nakens how he felt about
Speaker 1: last season and his performance and was anything wrong. Was
Speaker 1: he banged up? He probably won't say it, but he
Speaker 1: just didn't look quite the same down the stretch. Some
Speaker 1: of the numbers look pretty decent in some of the games,
Speaker 1: but I expected him to take a bigger leap in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Now, maybe it was just a situation where
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to happen all right, based on everything
Speaker 1: that was going on with the running game and whatever else,
Speaker 1: Watson throwing the ball to these receivers. But we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think Aikin's has a lot of potential here. Eager
Speaker 1: to see the rest of it. But you just brought
Speaker 1: up a named Jordan Thomas, who I know we saw
Speaker 1: with the Patriots for fifteen minutes last year when they
Speaker 1: visited at RG Stadium, and we thought that he might
Speaker 1: turn into something for this team. It's just it's a
Speaker 1: strange position group. Like we've said many times, I'm eager
Speaker 1: to see how Ryan Izzo works out. I think he
Speaker 1: could help the team. But as far as the upside goes,
Speaker 1: Aiken still has more. You know, there is more room
Speaker 1: to the top of the cup there, and clearly with
Speaker 1: Wearing there's a top, you know. So Wearing being a
Speaker 1: third round draft choice, I know the current regime didn't
Speaker 1: draft him, but I'm really looking to see what they
Speaker 1: think of him, and I think they're dying to get
Speaker 1: him out there on the field to have a look
Speaker 1: at what a third year Wearing could possibly look like
Speaker 1: for this team, because he really didn't get a much
Speaker 1: playing time, and you need a little bit more development,
Speaker 1: well a lot more development there, but a little bit
Speaker 1: more exposure to see what the potential is. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people will be watching the Texans on TV this year,
Speaker 1: watching Kalla wearing. And that leads me to the news
Speaker 1: in the NFL that a ninety billion billion dollar deal
Speaker 1: struck over the next nine years actually starts in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, I think is when it comes into fruition
Speaker 1: ninety billion dollars deal mark. Here are some of the
Speaker 1: high points. Amazon exclusive home of Thursday Night Football, Disney's
Speaker 1: ABC gets two Super Bowls twenty twenty six twenty thirty.
Speaker 1: ESPN is retaining Monday Night Football, and after week twelve,
Speaker 1: they have the opportunity to flex games from that week's
Speaker 1: Sunday slate, giving them more attractive games. ESPN ABC will
Speaker 1: feature three weeks some Monday Night Football doubleheaders and broadcast
Speaker 1: select Saturday games. ESPN also gets a second playoff game
Speaker 1: to their slate, with one Division Round game and a
Speaker 1: Wildcard game. ESPN Plus will have exclusive access to one
Speaker 1: International Series game each season. NBC retains Sunday Night Football
Speaker 1: and a select number of games available exclusively over the
Speaker 1: streaming platform Peacock. Fox and CBS both retain their broadcast
Speaker 1: at NFC Nancy Sunday Afternoon packages, respectively. Mark, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Well, NBC Sunday Night Football is
Speaker 1: the number one show on television, so no surprise there.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a tremendous deal for NBC and
Speaker 1: it always has been. I think economically that's by far
Speaker 1: the best package. But ESPN Disney, I believe that they
Speaker 1: weren't happy with a lot of the matchups they've been
Speaker 1: getting on Monday Night Football. They've gotten better in recent years,
Speaker 1: but now they get the double headers, they get more
Speaker 1: preferential treatment obviously with the flex scheduling capability, and to
Speaker 1: have Super Bowls is monumental. So great for them, but
Speaker 1: they're paying more than anybody. Now Amazon Thursday Night. This
Speaker 1: is intriguing. Yeah, Amazon is gonna have your Thursday night
Speaker 1: football game. Now, let's be clear, if the Texans are
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night Football, it'll still be on a local affiliate.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets to bid. ABC thirteen is our partner for
Speaker 1: the preseason games. I know they'll want to bid for that,
Speaker 1: but they have network responsibilities. We'll see how that plays
Speaker 1: out with them. It's been in other places too, when
Speaker 1: the Texans have had a Thursday night game, So that
Speaker 1: to me, the Amazon one is really intriguing because these
Speaker 1: streaming services, this is the cutting edge of everything. This
Speaker 1: is old school broadcast programming. You're getting on a streaming
Speaker 1: service because there are more eyeballs than anything on the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean, the number one show is NBC Sunday Night
Speaker 1: Football Thursday. I have football on Fox is still a
Speaker 1: top ten show, top five show, right, So that's what
Speaker 1: Amazon sees. Let's bring the eyeballs to Prime. We're gonna
Speaker 1: force more people to buy Prime. This is you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't like Amazon, you don't like this deal
Speaker 1: because this is definitely helping them get more eyeballs, more
Speaker 1: people to order their service. And they're going to promote
Speaker 1: all their other shows that they have on Amazon, the
Speaker 1: Marvelous Missus, Maizel or whatever else they have heavily during
Speaker 1: NFL football so more people watch it. This stuff intrigues me.
Speaker 1: I love reading about it. I'm wondering how they're gonna
Speaker 1: do the talent. I haven't read that yet, but This
Speaker 1: is going to change the way you watch football to
Speaker 1: have a primetime game exclusively on streaming. Get ready, it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Yeah, no doubt. Then there was one of
Speaker 1: their little nuggets that came out apparently, now this has
Speaker 1: not been confirmed, but apparently the NFL will also move
Speaker 1: Sunday ticket from Direct Tv to ESPN Plus. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk in the last probably month to
Speaker 1: six weeks about ESPN. Hey, they want more with their
Speaker 1: Monday Night package. Well, and Disney got it with the
Speaker 1: ABC getting two Super Bowls, getting an additional playoff game,
Speaker 1: the opportunity to flex Monday Night games late in the season,
Speaker 1: and then to get the Sunday ticket package over to
Speaker 1: ESPN Plus from Direct Tv. I would say it's a
Speaker 1: pretty banner day for Disney slash ABC slash ESPN as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ESPM plus to have all that stuff is huge. The
Speaker 1: Direct TV package, you know, we all knew that that
Speaker 1: was going to change hands at some point soon. Now
Speaker 1: it's available to everybody. I know, direct TV is you know,
Speaker 1: available to everybody. But if you had Axfinity, you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to cancel my affinity for Direct TV
Speaker 1: just to have the Sunday ticket package, so this helps.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens with red Zone, Johnny. I
Speaker 1: gotta get my red zone the Texans, and we've had
Speaker 1: so many weekends where they're playing on a Thursday or
Speaker 1: a Monday or whatever, or a Sunday, and you need
Speaker 1: red zone injected into your veins on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: You just gotta have it. So we'll see how that
Speaker 1: works out. The NFL network puts together that programming with
Speaker 1: Scott Hanson, etc. It's just a fantastic broadcast exercise, that
Speaker 1: whole thing is. But I think, look, it's huge money.
Speaker 1: All the other sports are watching that. The NFL basically
Speaker 1: doubled its money with its next layer of TV contracts.
Speaker 1: I remember about five years ago people were wondering, are
Speaker 1: enough people are gonna be watching TV? Will it matter?
Speaker 1: Are the ratings? Are the rates gonna go down? Oh baby?
Speaker 1: More money for everybody. The players make out, the owners
Speaker 1: make out, and I think the customer is served because
Speaker 1: there are more options to watch. Yeah, no doubt. And
Speaker 1: all those players that signed one year deals or in
Speaker 1: the process of signing one year deals are linking their
Speaker 1: shops at what could be available next year. Mark, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you for jumping in. We'll talk to you tomorrow,
Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you. Johnny there he as Mark vandermir
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Speaker 1: In the last hour, the Texans made another signing, this
Speaker 1: one I actually like five. Brandon and I were talking
Speaker 1: about turning to break. You asked me whether I whether
Speaker 1: I liked the Desmond King signing, and absolutely, Desmond King
Speaker 1: or Mike Hilton, those are one of the two guys
Speaker 1: I wanted at Nickel. Now, Hilton ended up getting paid
Speaker 1: by the Bengals. I think it was let's say paid.
Speaker 1: PFF did their top one hundred free agents and they
Speaker 1: came up with a projected salary and they had three
Speaker 1: years twelve million for Hilton, I think ended up being
Speaker 1: four for twenty four. So he got paid and he's
Speaker 1: worth it. He is damn good. He's the smallest guy
Speaker 1: in the field, but he is damn good. But he's
Speaker 1: one of the Bengals. But I didn't even think Desmond
Speaker 1: King would end up being an option, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: that he is. And as I mentioned to John McClain, look,
Speaker 1: you've got to have a nickel guy now in the NFL.
Speaker 1: If you don't forget it, you'll they will Quarterbacks posing
Speaker 1: offenses will find, oh man, that nickel can't cover anybody
Speaker 1: your toast. And I think there is a distinct skill
Speaker 1: set between inside guy and outside guy. I think Vernon
Speaker 1: Hargraves and Desmond King, although they were all American corners.
Speaker 1: As I'm putting up my fingers air quote, you can't
Speaker 1: see in college they're inside guys. Now they're nickel guys.
Speaker 1: Now they're nickel. And and those two I think will
Speaker 1: be in competition John Reid will be in competition for
Speaker 1: that inside spot. So they've got to find some outside corners.
Speaker 1: And the more outside corners they end up finding, then
Speaker 1: they will be better served by leaving those guys on
Speaker 1: the inside, because last year, I think Vernon had to
Speaker 1: play outside the whole year. That's not where he fits anymore.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not his fit. His fit his inside.
Speaker 1: So it is Desmond King and Desmond King return, punts, kicks,
Speaker 1: whatever you want him to do. He's dynamic with the
Speaker 1: pall in his hands. The Titans found that out first game.
Speaker 1: He picked up Fumbell, took it to the house, and
Speaker 1: now he's a text In one year, three and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars. Former text In Nick Martin is now
Speaker 1: a Las Vegas Raider after Rodney Hudson was traded, the
Speaker 1: All pro slash pro bowler traded to the Cardinals. The Raiders,
Speaker 1: I mean signing Nick Martin great, I mean that's whatever
Speaker 1: they need to do. That's that's great, But the drop
Speaker 1: off from Rodney Hudson and Nick Martin is pretty severe.
Speaker 1: So congratulations and Nick for getting a deal, But that
Speaker 1: drop off, I mean, yeah, they get a third round
Speaker 1: in return. But Rodney Hart Hudson's gonna go to the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl out with the Cardinals. Trust me on that.
Speaker 1: Now that Corey Lindsley is out with the Chargers in
Speaker 1: the AFC and you got Hudson over the NFC, he'll
Speaker 1: end up going to a Pro Bowl, guaranteed. Rodney Hudson
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. But your Texans signed Desmond King today.
Speaker 1: Things stay pretty active in all things that are going
Speaker 1: on throughout the NFL. Will have that and then some
Speaker 1: for you tomorrow. Big thanks to Mark the General, John
Speaker 1: McClain to Brandon who's doing a great job in studio.
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