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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, available now only on Fox Nation.

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Speaker 1: How does a trail of missing women connect to the

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Speaker 1: world of mixed martial arts? How first one woman goes missing,

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Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old mom, then another, But what

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Speaker 1: does that have to do with the phenomena of mixed

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Speaker 1: martial arts. It's highly popular here in the US and

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Speaker 1: across the world. But right now I'm interested in the

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Speaker 1: connection between two dead bodies. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a

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Speaker 1: string gorgeous young missing women fit into the world of

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Speaker 1: mixed martial arts? How does that happen? Or did it happen?

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Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, This is Crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: XIM one eleven. When a beautiful young mom goes missing

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Speaker 1: V News. This is Aaron Heft. Listen. It's breaking my heart.

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Speaker 1: I've got a ten year old granddaughter that I have

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Speaker 1: to help find her mother. There's so many people that

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Speaker 1: love you we're all looking for you. You just hope

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Speaker 1: you come home. Jenna Scott and Michael schweringen vanished January fourth,

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Speaker 1: without a trace. There. Car found in East Austin, but

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Speaker 1: no evidence of them. With more than a week having passed,

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Speaker 1: their loved ones can't sit by any longer. They don't

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Speaker 1: a resource. Family and friends involuntarily come together trying to

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Speaker 1: places just like this that back up to Michael's property,

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Speaker 1: Deborah Harrison, explained Michael and Jenna are good friends and

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Speaker 1: have a strictly platonic relationship. Since the two went missing.

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Speaker 1: Jenna missed her daughter's tenth birthday, something very uncharacteristic of Jenna.

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Speaker 1: The family says, yeah, it'll be a cold day in

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Speaker 1: age thirty two, they both go missing. Highly un characteristic

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to break it down

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, anchor at Court TV at ashe Wilcott dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thirty six years on Seattle p d. Twenty two as

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Speaker 1: a homicide detective, author of Seattle's Forgotten serial killer Gary

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Speaker 1: Jean Grant, I Haven't forgotten him. Clod Steiger, a renowned

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Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining me and host a Shattered Souls podcast.

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining us from LA the Deputy medical Examiner

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Speaker 1: out of Travis County. That's Austin, Texas. Doctor Kendall Crowns,

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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist. Can find him on Instagram. Doctor Daniel Bober

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Speaker 1: joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction doctor Daniel Bober.

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Speaker 1: But right now, let's start with Crime Online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Levi Page. Levi's my firm belief if you

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Speaker 1: Jenna Scott twenty eight years old? Who what where? Wife? When?

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Speaker 1: First of all, well was Jenna last seen? Where? And

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about her? In particular? So Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it's January fourth, twenty nineteen in Temple, Texas video. Woo

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Speaker 1: the pool of purps. Would you agree or disagree? Ash, Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it narrows the pool of perps. Not only that, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: us off the subject like that. You really, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old mom disappearance. Guys, So, Nancy, she

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Speaker 1: Stagger is right yet again the location, The location is significant.

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Speaker 1: an unborn child, go missing. Where is she? His fishing hole?

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Speaker 1: Why is it it's like a dog that circles and

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Speaker 1: not give me a yes or no answer, but he

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00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: did tell me he knows who harmed Jenna Scott, but

426
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: did not provide a name. He also told me that

427
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: Maya Maxwell is eight months pregnant with his baby. Maxwell

428
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: is the woman who told investigators that Marks kilt Jenna

429
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: Scott and Michael Squaringon. She is facing capital murder charges

430
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: and tampering with evidence related to the case. Mark's claim

431
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: that Maxwell received threats from her lawyer and that her

432
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: lawyer was blocking her email, her mail, and visits. Now,

433
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: I reached out to Maxwell's attorney, who told me at

434
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: no point did he ever threaten her or block her

435
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: from calling anyone, or refused her visits. Mark says he

436
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: thinks prosecutors are trying to force Maxwell into a plea

437
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: deal later this week. Now. Maxwell attorney says she was

438
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: scheduled to appear in court later this week, but that

439
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: that court appearance was moved to sometime in June. I

440
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: don't get it. So he's got one dad X who

441
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: is the mother of one of his children, I think,

442
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: and her best friend dad. Now this other woman is

443
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: coming forward, Maya Maxwell pregnant with his child. Doctor Daniel Bober.

444
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: What do women see and guys like this? I mean,

445
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: I know a lot of women may think he's handsome

446
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 1: or buff's all. He's a lean, mean fighting machine. I

447
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: mean that literally. He's a mixed martial arts star. But

448
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: what do they see in these guys. Well, literally, he

449
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: is a lean, mean fighting machine. But I think women

450
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 1: time to go for the bad way, the rebel, the

451
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: one that sometimes skirts the loss. So I think that's

452
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: what it is. I think that's the attraction. Okay, So

453
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 1: that same old theory that women are after bad guys

454
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: that they don't like the good guys. I'm happy to

455
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: say that my husband is one of the good guys,

456
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: and I don't fault for bad boys. Crime stories with

457
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance and

458
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: the death of a beautiful young mom, Jenna Scott, and

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00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: her boyfriend Michael Swerton, and it's all tied into the

460
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: world of mixed martial arts and an MMA star Cedric Marks,

461
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: who has the thirty one win record. Pretty impressive. But

462
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: that's not the end of it. It's not the end,

463
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, with the death of Jenna Scott,

464
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: which he doesn't show up for her child's tent the birthday.

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00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Caseye MTV. That's

466
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: just Channel six news reporter Cole Johnson. At this point,

467
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Marks has not been charged with murder, but today he

468
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: was named a person of interest in the two thousand

469
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: and nine disappearance of April Peas. You want answers, say,

470
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: I do they last we heard she's going to go

471
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: to me in a sort of treatment, and my sister

472
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: is hopeful with that, and we didn't hear anything after that.

473
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: Peace's uncle says, the worst part is the not knowing,

474
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: not knowing if she's just hiding somewhere or she is

475
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: in fact dead. Since her disappearance, PISA's son has been

476
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: living with Marx. But now that Marks is behind bars

477
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: waiting to be extradited back to Texas, and authorities say

478
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: his wife along with his girlfriend are locked up in Miskegan.

479
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: We're harboring a fugitive and tampering with evidence. PISA's family

480
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: is now trying to get custody of the boy. I'm

481
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: just sick in my heart to hear this. So, after

482
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: Jenna Scott and Michael Swingeon are killed, transported hundreds of miles,

483
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: left in a shallow grave, somehow this mixed martial arts

484
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: star escapes police custody and now we have another dead body. Apparently,

485
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: this young woman, April Pas, the mother of Cedric Mark's

486
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: four year old son, had been beaten horribly. Can you

487
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: imagine having a fight with an MMA star. She had

488
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: been beaten brutally by Cedric Marks and had fled to

489
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: a battered women's shelter, but somehow she was lured out

490
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: of the shelter and she's never been seen alive again.

491
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: Levi Page, tell me about April Peas, the mother of

492
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Cedric Mark's little boy. Okay, she's twenty years old, Nancy,

493
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: and she vanished in two thousand and nine, like you said,

494
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: from a domestic violence shelter. And here's what happened. We

495
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: know that she left Cedric Mark. She had a four

496
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: year old with him. They were involved in a custody battle,

497
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: and she fled to this domestic violence. Now, let me

498
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: understand something. Is this before or after Jenna Scott goes missing?

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00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: This is before, This isn't in two thousand, So this

500
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: pre day's Jenna Scott. Okay, go ahead in ten years before.

501
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: So he had a girlfriend at the time, and Christine

502
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Sortson Cedric Marks did and they went to look for

503
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: April Piece and they found her at this domestic violence shelter,

504
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: and Sorenson said that she helped Cedric Marks find her.

505
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: They waited outside the shelter, they saw her and Cedric

506
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Marks grabbed her, attacked her, and put her in Christine

507
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: Sorenson's vehicle. They started driving, Cedric Marks told her to

508
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: pull over. She did, and then Cedric Marks dragged April

509
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: Piece out of the vehicle, put her in a choke hold,

510
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: and according to Christine Sorenson, Cedric Marks dragged April Piece

511
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: to a wooded area out of her eyesight and he

512
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: returned moments later crying and he said that he killed her.

513
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: And Cedric Marks has confessed to multiple people over the

514
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: years that he killed her and also removed her hands

515
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: and teeth, so if her body is ever just discovered,

516
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: that they will not be able to identify her and

517
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: that body her body abled pieces body has never been found.

518
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: To Dodger Kendall, Crown's deputy medical examiner, joining me out

519
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: of Travis County, that's Austin, Texas. Removed her hands and

520
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: pulled all of her teeth out of her head so

521
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: she could never be identified if her body was found.

522
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: This is the mother of his little boy. Have you

523
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: ever seen anything like that? I've never seen someone actually

524
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: removed someone's teeth before, but I have seen them cut

525
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: the appendages off and cut heads off and attempt to

526
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: make it so you couldn't identify him. One time there

527
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: was an individual who killed his girlfriend and then sought

528
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: her body into parts with a band song and distribute

529
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: him all over a park. And he made sure to

530
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: make the hands disappear. But the sad thing is is

531
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: they don't seem to realize that we can still get

532
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: DNA from these body parts to identify the person that play.

533
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Just curious, Doctor Kendall Crowns. When you, you know, go

534
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: out for a pizza, what do you talk about? What

535
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: do I talk about? Wow? Not this I have I

536
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: don't usually talk about this. No, I actually have five children,

537
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: so I talk about my kids quite a bit. Good. Good,

538
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: good to know. Do you catch yourself doing that? As

539
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: she Wilcott, you just start talking about murder when you

540
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't do. I ever, I meant absolutely, just because

541
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: of what I do for a living in what I see.

542
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: Could I just add to this though? I mean, it's

543
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: so gruesome, it's so horrible, it's so horrific. But listen, okay,

544
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start. This martial arts

545
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: fighter and the acts of violence that he's allegedly committed

546
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: and confessed to mean that he is a hard core criminal.

547
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: And the good news is by having all this evidence

548
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: that he's put out there because of how he's done things,

549
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: that's good news, so that the system can seek and

550
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: receive that true. But what I don't understand, it's why

551
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: the system screwed up. He killed April Piece, and I

552
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: don't understand why now in the last days he's just

553
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: getting charged with the murder of April Peace, the mother

554
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: of his child. This happened back in two thousand and nine.

555
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: If it had been handled then and he had gone

556
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: behind bars, what were they blind him because he's a

557
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: mixed martial arts star Because I'm not. He looks like

558
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: the devil to me. So if he had been arrested,

559
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: then maybe Jenna and Michael Surgeon would be alive right now.

560
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: And speaking of evidence, which as she Wilcock correctly just did,

561
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: Karen Smart, Karen Smith, you are the forensics expert. Why

562
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: hasn't her body been found? Number one? But have you

563
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: ever seen a case where they tried to hide the

564
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: idea of the victim by cutting off the hands and

565
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: pulling out all the teeth. No, I'd like the doctor.

566
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: I've never seen the teeth pulled, hands cut off, yes,

567
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: heads cut off. Yes. Unfortunately, I have going back to

568
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: why they haven't found her body. I'd like to know

569
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: that as well. You have a witness who states she

570
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: was there. Have they taken her back to try to

571
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: find the location where they pulled off to the side

572
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: of the road by these woods to find the body.

573
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: I've had that done before. We took a young man

574
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: out to We drove around for hours and hours trying

575
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: to find this location, drove down a dirt road and

576
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: he started screaming, there it is, Oh my god, there

577
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: it is, So you have to take this. I think

578
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: it was a Christiane Sorenson, I think it was her name.

579
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Take her back, try to find the location and see

580
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 1: if you can find that body that should be right there,

581
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: right there. You just mentioned the name is Kelle Sorenson,

582
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: And you're right, Karen Smith. Yet another woman under his spell,

583
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: and this one apparently goes with him to lure April

584
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: out of the Battered Women's Center, and she does, she

585
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: comes out, and she ends up dead. Um take a

586
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: listen to Jas McCawell, Kate C M District attorney Henry

587
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Garza announced he's pushing for the death penalty against Cedric Marx.

588
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: He's the former MMA fighter accused of killing Jenna and Michael,

589
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend and her friend. In a recent phone interview,

590
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: Marx told me he's innocent, but I'm not guilty at all.

591
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: I did not kill Michael Warren, and I I definitely

592
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: didn't kill Keen of God. Legal analyst Liz Mitchell says

593
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: death penalty cases are slow moving and expensive, and you

594
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: see that these cases really are saved for the worst

595
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: of the worst, the most egregious, the most heinous. Case says.

596
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: Now that the state is seeking the death penalty, lawyers

597
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: from the Regional Public Defender for Capital Cases office in

598
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: Austin have been appointed to represent Marks. I reached out

599
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: to the families of the victims. In a statement, Michael's

600
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: mother told me, we are all in agreement that the

601
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: death penalty was best. Cedric Marks already lived longer than

602
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: Michael and Jenna. There is a such thing as righteous

603
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: anger and punishment. We are good Christian people, but we

604
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: feel this was the best option. Finally, behind bars, I

605
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: wonder if there are any other bodies to be discovered.

606
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: We wait as justice Son falls Nancy Gray's crime story,

607
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,