WEBVTT - Darrick Martin 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.440 Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.240 week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants of 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.920 the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.800 crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:20.200 pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of hot takes, 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:24.080 break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:30.200 Maller starts right now, nine nine nine in the air, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:37.400 everywhere Back again. Another weekend has begun with the podcast 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.600 because hey, listen four hours a night in the Overnight 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:46.199 or Not Enough, a spinoff of the Ben Maller radio 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:51.479 program eight days a week, eight days a week. I 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.120 hope you had a chance to hear the Ben Mallor 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.520 Show podcast and now you're listening to this podcast. So 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.880 we do something a little different if you're if you're 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:04.120 new to the party. And every Friday we like to 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:10.000 bring in someone who I know or I like, who 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:11.560 I want to talk to, because we don't get to 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.200 do that on the overnight show. It's, you know, late 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.520 at night, it's hard to hard to get anyone to 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.600 call in live, and we generally have you the callers, 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.280 the few people that call up who are the characters 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.600 on the show and stuff so on. On Fridays here 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.080 we like to bring somebody in and this week we 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:33.399 are excited to welcome in a former NBA player, someone 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:39.039 who I actually have known for you know, casually, casually. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.920 It's not like we're you know, we're best friends. But 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.080 I've known this guy for many, many years. Uh. He 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.520 played for the Clippers when I was a radio reporter 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.520 just getting started in, you know, in that early mid 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:57.280 nineties period, and we became somewhat friendly in that period 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.200 of time. And he's gone on, had a big career, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.960 played over ten years in the NBA's played in the 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.080 minor leagues of basketball for the Harlem Globe Trys. We're 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.000 talking about Derek Martin. He played it, you see, l 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.920 A for the Bruins and he went undrafted and the 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.160 guys had a ten He had a tenure career in 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.320 the wild world of basketball and has been a coach 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:26.160 and broadcaster. He's pretty much seen and done it all 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.200 as a basketball hobo. But I remember him as a Clipper, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.800 and he played with Vancouver and Sacramento and Dallas and 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.840 the Toronto Raptors and Minnesota, all these teams. But I 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.000 I have fond members of of Derreck Martin as a 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.920 clipper and he joins us now and Derek welcome in. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.720 I know you called in the other night to the 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.520 Overnight Show. Is great to hear from you. I've seen 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.480 you pretty active lately on Twitter and what not. So 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.080 give me the give me the inside skinny. What have 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.560 you been up to recently? Well, you know, I had 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.880 a good run as a coach of the assistant coach 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.400 at St. John's under Steve Lavin, assistant with Kurt Rambis 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.799 when he was at Minnesota Timberwolves. And then I was 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.399 fortunate enough to be the head coach of the Areno Bighorns, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.960 the D League team for a Sacramento for a couple 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.800 of years. So, uh, the coaching thing was doing good. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.640 But as my son got a little older, I wanted 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.440 to be closer to him. So me and Mitchell Butler 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.480 have started our own training business. It's Legacy West Basketball 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.200 dot Com. And so we've been doing that and it's 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.079 it's been taken off really good, teaching the next generation 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.480 of basketball players how to do it. So I for 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.959 those who don't know the story, like we crossed passed. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.400 You were playing for the Clippers. You will get to 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.680 your your NBA career, but you played for the Clippers 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.320 in the nineties and I was a young punk radio 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.720 reporter in that time period and uh, you know, trying 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.680 to make it in radio, and I covered you when 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.480 you were playing with the Clippers, and I always appreciated Derek. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.760 You were very kind, you know, as you would admit 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.800 those teams were not particularly great in that that time 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.720 period at the sports Arena. But but looking back at 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.840 that part of your career, what stands out back in 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:07.480 that like the mid nineties kind of that timeline, Oh man, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.280 Just opportunity to play at home in front of my family, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.640 my friends. Uh, like you said, the sports Arena was 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.560 not really cracking, like to stay what's sit there is 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.360 especially in support of us. So I was able to 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.159 get about thirty tickets to night and after the family 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.760 coming there, and it was just a special time for 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.400 me to be able to uh kind of take off 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.400 and establish my pro career, making my mark that I 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.760 can play in the NBA right there in front of 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.919 my friend family. So it was really cool. It was 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.160 really cool, and I you know, there's not a lot 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:37.880 I remember about going to those games, but I do 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.200 remember the night that you lit up the Utah Jazz. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:41.880 I said that the other night when you called into 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:43.680 the show. But that was one of those I mean, 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.240 you just were I mean, I think you made a 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.240 bunch of foul shots. If I remember when you scored 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.520 you're right on forty points or something like that against 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.720 the gym, and that was when they asked John, Yeah, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.040 Stockton and Malone. I mean, that was what I had. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.960 That was great night, funny stories. I was, well, we're 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.840 just was on the team and we had been college together. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.480 And after the first quarter, I was feeling pretty good, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.159 laughed and turned to it. I said, I'm gonna have 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:13.080 thirty whatever, and I went out and had a big 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.320 night and it was pretty cool, Like it was on 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.080 the front of my parents, my family, my brothers and sister. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.960 That was a really cool experience, something I always cherished. Yeah, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.520 that was that was I remember. And yeah, as somebody 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.480 that played for the Clippers in the less than ideal 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.560 period and now they've been the last few years, they've 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.280 been one of the better teams in the NBA every 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.960 year there because it odd as just somebody that experienced 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.120 the Clippers at the Sports Arena, to see that the 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.800 franchise actually doesn't stink anymore. They're actually good. It's pretty 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.120 cool for me. It's really is. Uh. You know, I 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.279 told Clippers have always been seen as the little brother 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.919 in l A. And that's understandably. You know, this is 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.599 the Lakers town and that's cool. But you know, like 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.240 I said back then, we get text too, even though 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.800 sometimes they bounced being from Donald Thurling, but we were 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.560 eight players also, So to see the transition Mr Bomber 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.200 come in, uh, Doc Rivers there first and then now Tyler. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.039 They're really starting to establish a good culture and a 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:14.440 place where free agents would like to come. So that's 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.800 really cool for me to see. I mean, I'm enjoying it. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.279 Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.520 Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.280 on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.440 And as an l A guy, I mean from Long 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.080 Beach or in l A guy you put at U 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.400 C l A. And I always I get this argument. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.920 You know, all the guys I work with their Laker apologists, 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.080 and they always like, whatever the Lakers do, they defend 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.680 and there's room for the Clippers, and every time the 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.719 Clippers do anything, these people get triggered and they're like 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.600 they freak out because they're jealous of the any success. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.119 It's very annoying. Tonny man, It's it's hilarious. I laughed. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.279 You know, my brother and sister gotten me kind of 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.120 up to date it on social media and how to 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.120 use it and everything. So I like to go on. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.680 It's like you said, see all the Laker apologists and everything. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.919 It's funny. You know, this town is big enough to 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.320 have the Lakers in the Clippers. I do think the 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.880 Clippers need to have their own building. Uh kind of 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.280 developed their own identity, and I I have even tossed 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.080 around maybe changing the name, just to kind of completely 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.520 move on from the Donald Starting era. What would you 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.400 call him? What would you call the Clippers there? What name? 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.320 I don't know. I haven't come up with a creative 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.080 name yet, but I will be if I do, I 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.960 will definitely submit it. Yeah no, no, it's gonna be like, uh, well, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.760 nicknames are a very dicey subject these days. But something 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.280 we like, I like just like the Hollywood stars or 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.040 something you can play in Inglewood there they're building that 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.880 arena in Inglewood. In a few years they gonna have 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.640 that arena, but uh like something like l A centric 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:47.360 that you know, I will work on it. But anyway, listen, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.720 I remember before I forget here, Derek, when you were 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.840 playing for the clips I was doing. I was a 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.840 reporter and then I became a talk show host. Around 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.520 that time, I was doing the Ben and Dave Show 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.360 and you called in every once in a while. That 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.160 I remember time we were doing a remote from from 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.280 a bar and you were driving around and you were 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.160 so cool. You showed up to hang out with us, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.640 and that was awesome. That was that was You probably 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.840 even remember that, Derek, but you were no. I do 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.200 I remember it. I definitely remember when I, like I said, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.120 I'm just learning about doing the social media. So when 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.600 I found out you had a show, I just started 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.960 to recollect all the things, like coming on your show, 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.720 going to that remote. I really enjoyed coming on your show, man, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.560 that was really cool. So that's kind of why I 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.880 reached out to you. Just wanted to say hello and 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.240 see how you're doing and just say you congratulations on 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.360 getting happened what you have now, because I remember those days, 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.559 and I do remember that remote that I came to. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.679 We had a good time. Yeah, it was great. We 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.920 were like shocked. We were like, wait, and an NBA 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.600 guys showing up to our remote, It's like weird. I mean, 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.920 I didn't expect that doing the Night Show back then. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.720 But and I got to I mean, Derek, you have 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.320 had you must have the biggest man cave of all 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.480 the jerseys. That it's like a Dr. Seuss poem. The 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.200 places you'll go to peep well, you'll see how many 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.120 cities have you lived in as a basketball But you've 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.760 been all over the place. Oh, I've been all over 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.640 I was explaining to my son all the different teams 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:19.559 I've played for. And let's see the Clippers, Minnesota, Dallas, Toronto, Vancouver, UH, Sacramento, 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.640 UH team in Pompey, Italy. I played with the Magic 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:29.560 Johnson Tour teams for in Russia. I've played um for 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.440 the Globe Riter. So I got a chance to see 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.320 the world. A huge question just all because of the 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.400 game of basketball. So how difficult when you're when you're 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.040 a player, you bounces around. How difficult is it? I 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.839 mean we see this all the time. Guys get traded 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.480 and stuff and it's not like totally unique, but you've 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.160 had to live in all these different cities. You've got 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.000 to get doctors and all that. How how big a 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.880 pain in the assd is that, Derek? When you keep 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.120 changing cities and you have to you know, find a 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.320 new location all that. Uh, you know, I've kind of 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.480 gotten used to it. I kind of got used to it. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.880 And we went down for Father's Day, me and my brother, 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.840 his kids, my son, my sister's kids, and we're all 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.760 in the hotel and they just loved it. And I said, yeah, 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.320 I'm Candida live in this hotel. Just fund all his 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.240 light that they said, Oh, this is great, my son, 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.439 this is great that we do this all the time. Yeah, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.480 your dad has lived that life. So you know, it's 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.880 it's fun. I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.800 enjoyed especially when I got a chance to maybe also 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.679 to uh go overseas playing Russia, playing in Italy. Uh 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.440 to see the different cultures and learned from the people 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.040 in that city. Uh. So it's been fun. You know. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.640 I never saw it as a as a burden. I 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.480 saw it as an opportunity to learn and and see 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.840 something new. Yeah, and I love to find I didn't realize, 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:48.520 you know, I lost track of a little bit. I 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.560 didn't realize you had played with the Harlem Globe Trotters. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.120 And I was aware of that fun fact when I 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.600 was a kid, Derek, my parents took me to see 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.079 the Harlem Globetrotters and it actually helped. I was a 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:58.599 little kid. I don't remember how old I was. I 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.920 was very smart, but I are like falling in love 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.960 with basketball with all the you know, the trick shots 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.679 and all that stuff. So when you played with when 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.439 you play with the Globe tracks, like, what was your 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.200 did you have a signature move? Did you have your 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.960 signature go to thing that you would entertain the fans with. No. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.600 So what they had was was a team that would 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.920 play exhibitions against college teams like Syracuse, Michigan State, and 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.360 uh UTEP and a few other schools, and then after 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.280 the game, the real game, then the Globetriters that did 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.320 the entertaining would come in. So I played on the 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.560 team the first team that played the real exhibition games 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.319 and played against Syracuse Utah and I remember this one 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:43.120 game against Michigan State. Shannon Brown was still that was 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.560 there at the time. And he was supposed to be 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.800 the defensive stopper and I kind of really got go 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.880 and have one of those. I end up with thirty 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.599 eight and doing the course of the game. Michael's uh, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.920 Tom millel yo that you can't carry that odd guy. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:56.839 I said, hey, Loo man, you once you come out 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.640 here and try to gard me yourself for It was 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.199 a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. Mammy Jackson Um 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.920 did a wonderful job running that organization, and Chad Growth 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.080 was a part of it also too, So it was 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.880 definitely a great experience and definitely something I treasure. That's 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.920 pretty cool. Yeah, I did see the story the other day. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:17.719 I think it was just for publicity. They said the 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.040 Harlem Globe Trotter said they wanted to be an NBA 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.840 expansion team. They wanted to be an expansion You can't 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.400 be the the Globe Trotters. You can't be in the 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.560 n Yeah, no, I can't be in it. They would 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.000 lose their lord. You know, they have a nitch. They 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.199 should just keep going with that Niche like you said, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.640 they don't even know how they affect so many young kids. 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:37.959 He's like you said, you fell in love with the 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.920 game of basketball after going to oh you Globe Trotter 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.080 at one time. So you know, I think they should 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.640 just stay in that lane and and and enjoy it 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.839 and and just write it out. I agree. So and 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.280 when I told a friend of mine, I said, you know, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.600 Derek called in and he remembered you when you played 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.720 and stuff, and he said, he said, you gotta ask 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:01.200 Derek about the Michael Jordan's story and so so uh 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.080 so I've been asked, I guess this goes back to 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.480 your Vancouver days, Derek, and it's a yeah, yeah, I've been. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.040 It's been funny. I'm almost in the last six seven months, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.920 I've been on tour telling that story. A few people 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.880 have asked me. And it's a lot of backdrop to it. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.560 There was Michael's out here filming space dams, and of 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.720 course everybody knows about the tent that they built for 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:27.200 in the court and what have you. So he's playing 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.480 against mostly a lot of Urian players and he wasn't 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.040 feeling challenge. So he called up Magic and said, hey, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:35.680 you know, you've got any guys that can come down 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.320 here and play, you know, local NBA guys. So he's 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.120 Magic called me, said little fill if you take a 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.160 group of guys down there. So I said, yeah, okay. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.679 So all my guys at that time, we all grew 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.880 up together, Chris Mills, Tracy Murray, Mitchell Butler. So we 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.679 go down there to play. So we're waiting to come 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.680 on and play. Finally it's our game going to seven 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.400 and at six six, I come down on the wing, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.880 act like I'm gonna shoot, and Michael jumps for the 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.480 a fake and I go by and lay it up 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.959 and I just commenced to talk, excuse me trash to 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.080 Michael for about the next minute and a half and 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.280 I'm telling him everything, get out of my city. This 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.080 is l A. You're not the real m J Magic, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:15.880 the real m J. Just get out of here. And 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.520 everybody's just laughing. They can't believe that the little guys 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.560 talking bad to Michael even so far, to so much 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.320 that Chris Mills picked me up on my finger. Uh, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.600 Peter dangling. He's saying, d Mark stop stop. Stop. The 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.120 long story short, Michael comes on like two games later. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.760 I was like, there's no way, because it's thirty people 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.040 in here. You're supposed to be wait. He's like, this 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.800 is my im come on what I want. So he 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.600 ends up being us in next game. And now he 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.480 follows me around the next minute and a half just 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.160 talking trash to me. So that's the backdrop going into 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.160 that year. And so he called Magic is like, man, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.760 who's this little guy you must be talking about? Mark? Yeah, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.400 DMR talk trash talks. So Michael I kind of, you know, 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.560 broke a little bit of a friendship. So fast forwards 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.880 and now we're playing in Vancouver. That's a thirteen game, 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.200 uh road trip for them. You know, most back then 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.000 in the NBA, when you get to that last game, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.840 you're just kind of trying to get home. Vancouver was 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.160 the last game on the schedule on that trip. So 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.720 I came down. It was about two minutes ago. I 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.400 made a lay up and got an N one walk 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.120 by the bench. I told you would beat me to 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.520 night in so many words, and so Phil looked out 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.480 heading like, all right, what you want to do. So 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.320 Michael had untied issues, you know, kind of put the 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.640 towel on his head and was kind of just you know, 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.400 giving up for the night. So he tied his shoes 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.000 back up, takes the towel off, checks in, and he 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:40.720 comes stands next to me at the foul line. I 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.480 got a pretty good picture of it. And he says, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.520 I told you about talking trash, and I still looked 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.200 up to the the collection. Man, you're not beating me to night, buddy. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.280 So anyone's go ahead next like ten, he having points 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.880 to beat us down the stretch and Yrus Scott was 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.480 guard and he was so mad at me walking ahead 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.520 a lot. If you're going to truck trash, at least 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:08.760 starting a guy, I said, lust here right. So it 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.880 was a funny thing. So afterwards they told the ball 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.320 He sent the ball boys over to get me. So 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.240 we just kind of sat down and talk. He's like, man, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.480 you don't ever stop. I said, you put your pants 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.080 one at the time, just like me. So I'm gonna 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.000 compete and do the same thing. So he laughs that 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.600 I like that. I like that, So that's good that. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.760 It was pretty cool. So we could. You know, we 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.320 got a little bit of a friendship. When we see 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.040 each other, we laugh and talk about it. Oh that's great. Yeah, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.240 And I saw I did see a clip and he 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:38.760 was like he was he he had his like he 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.240 was sitting on the bench. He had a towel on 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.320 Jordan like he was out of the game, and then 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:47.960 he because if you he came back, and that's a 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.280 that's a great were you are? You were one of 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.560 the few that played for the Vancouver version of the Grizzlies. Also, Derek, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.760 I mean that you played for both You played for 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.360 both Canadian teams. You're one of the few, right. I 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.480 didn't realize that. My brother was telling me the other day. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.880 He's like, you realizing one of the only guys let's 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.159 played for both Canadian teams teams, And I was like, 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.320 oh wow, I didn't know that. What was it like? Now? 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.000 A lot of like younger people probably don't even remember 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.399 the Vancouver Grizzlies. It's been so long, But like, what 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.840 was it like playing basketball in Vancouver? The team has 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.119 been been in Memphis for many years now. It's it 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:26.320 was amazing that Vancouver is a very underrated city. It's 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.879 beautiful up there. The people are nice, they got great food. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.440 I think the team, the league just they didn't wait 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.560 it out long enough. You know, basketball was new to 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.240 that region and so fans were just starting to understand 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.680 the game. But they loved it. They supported the team. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.760 They came out and cheered and it was a good 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.880 city for them to move the team from Vancouver to Memphis. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.760 I think it's really I don't know if you you know, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.800 like Memphis barbecue and I think it's okay, But it 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.240 was nothing to like the food, uh and Vancouver and 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.960 just the whole atmosphere. Vancouver was so relaxed and really cool. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.800 I really enjoyed it. You know, I almost wish I 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.440 could have played half of my career there because that's 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.720 how much I enjoyed the city and how much I 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.359 enjoyed the fans and the people up there. They really 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.000 supported the team. Be sure to catch live editions of 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.600 The Ben Miller Show week days at two am Eastern 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.800 eleven p m Pacific. Hey, I'm John Middlecoff and I 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.640 host the Three and Out podcast. Do you like football? 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:26.160 Do you like the NFL? Do you like the NFL draft? Quarterbacks? Coaches? Well, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.000 I talked about it all on the show. I used 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:30.919 to work for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.760 give you my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.800 goes on the NFL. And you know, we're talking college 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.879 football because of how important the draft is year round. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.240 Listen to the three and out podcast with me John 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.520 Middlecom on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.919 wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, and they loved you 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.960 in Toronto too, right, even though I mean you're you're 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.119 a backup guy in the Raptors, but they seem to 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.119 embrace you in Toronto. Also, Yeah, I really I enjoyed that. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.000 It's funny because now now I walked into the locker 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.080 room and I was used to be in the baby 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.800 or the middle of the road guy. I walked into 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:05.879 the Toronto locker room and all of a sudden, I'm 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.119 an old guy. Really quick, I'm like, whoa, everybody in 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.600 here is twenty two. I'm like thirty something, right, So 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.440 it was it was pretty cool because now my role 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.400 kind of switched from maybe every day player, every game 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.359 player to sort of a backup and a mentor. And 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.040 it was really cool cool. You know, developed a really 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:29.400 good relationship with Chris Humphries, with Jose Calderon, Chris Boss, 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.800 Anthony Parker to the point where we all still talked 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.359 to this day and check on each other. So it 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:36.800 was a really good time. And I had a chance 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.800 to play for Sam Mitchell, who I played with my 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.920 rookie year in Minnesota. So things kind of went full 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.320 circle and that was pretty cool. The circle of life. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:46.760