1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants of 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of hot takes, 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now, nine nine nine in the air, 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: everywhere Back again. Another weekend has begun with the podcast 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: because hey, listen four hours a night in the Overnight 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: or Not Enough, a spinoff of the Ben Maller radio 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: program eight days a week, eight days a week. I 12 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: hope you had a chance to hear the Ben Mallor 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Show podcast and now you're listening to this podcast. So 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: we do something a little different if you're if you're 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: new to the party. And every Friday we like to 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: bring in someone who I know or I like, who 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk to, because we don't get to 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: do that on the overnight show. It's, you know, late 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: at night, it's hard to hard to get anyone to 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: call in live, and we generally have you the callers, 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: the few people that call up who are the characters 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: on the show and stuff so on. On Fridays here 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: we like to bring somebody in and this week we 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: are excited to welcome in a former NBA player, someone 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: who I actually have known for you know, casually, casually. 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: It's not like we're you know, we're best friends. But 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: I've known this guy for many, many years. Uh. He 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: played for the Clippers when I was a radio reporter 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: just getting started in, you know, in that early mid 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: nineties period, and we became somewhat friendly in that period 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: of time. And he's gone on, had a big career, 32 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: played over ten years in the NBA's played in the 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: minor leagues of basketball for the Harlem Globe Trys. We're 34 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: talking about Derek Martin. He played it, you see, l 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: A for the Bruins and he went undrafted and the 36 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: guys had a ten He had a tenure career in 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: the wild world of basketball and has been a coach 38 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: and broadcaster. He's pretty much seen and done it all 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: as a basketball hobo. But I remember him as a Clipper, 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: and he played with Vancouver and Sacramento and Dallas and 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: the Toronto Raptors and Minnesota, all these teams. But I 42 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: I have fond members of of Derreck Martin as a 43 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: clipper and he joins us now and Derek welcome in. 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: I know you called in the other night to the 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: Overnight Show. Is great to hear from you. I've seen 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: you pretty active lately on Twitter and what not. So 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: give me the give me the inside skinny. What have 48 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: you been up to recently? Well, you know, I had 49 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: a good run as a coach of the assistant coach 50 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: at St. John's under Steve Lavin, assistant with Kurt Rambis 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: when he was at Minnesota Timberwolves. And then I was 52 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be the head coach of the Areno Bighorns, 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: the D League team for a Sacramento for a couple 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: of years. So, uh, the coaching thing was doing good. 55 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: But as my son got a little older, I wanted 56 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: to be closer to him. So me and Mitchell Butler 57 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: have started our own training business. It's Legacy West Basketball 58 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: dot Com. And so we've been doing that and it's 59 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: it's been taken off really good, teaching the next generation 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: of basketball players how to do it. So I for 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: those who don't know the story, like we crossed passed. 62 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: You were playing for the Clippers. You will get to 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: your your NBA career, but you played for the Clippers 64 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: in the nineties and I was a young punk radio 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: reporter in that time period and uh, you know, trying 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: to make it in radio, and I covered you when 67 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: you were playing with the Clippers, and I always appreciated Derek. 68 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: You were very kind, you know, as you would admit 69 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: those teams were not particularly great in that that time 70 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: period at the sports Arena. But but looking back at 71 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: that part of your career, what stands out back in 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: that like the mid nineties kind of that timeline, Oh man, 73 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: Just opportunity to play at home in front of my family, 74 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: my friends. Uh, like you said, the sports Arena was 75 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: not really cracking, like to stay what's sit there is 76 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: especially in support of us. So I was able to 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: get about thirty tickets to night and after the family 78 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: coming there, and it was just a special time for 79 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: me to be able to uh kind of take off 80 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: and establish my pro career, making my mark that I 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: can play in the NBA right there in front of 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: my friend family. So it was really cool. It was 83 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: really cool, and I you know, there's not a lot 84 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: I remember about going to those games, but I do 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: remember the night that you lit up the Utah Jazz. 86 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: I said that the other night when you called into 87 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: the show. But that was one of those I mean, 88 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: you just were I mean, I think you made a 89 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: bunch of foul shots. If I remember when you scored 90 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: you're right on forty points or something like that against 91 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: the gym, and that was when they asked John, Yeah, 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: Stockton and Malone. I mean, that was what I had. 93 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: That was great night, funny stories. I was, well, we're 94 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: just was on the team and we had been college together. 95 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: And after the first quarter, I was feeling pretty good, 96 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: laughed and turned to it. I said, I'm gonna have 97 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: thirty whatever, and I went out and had a big 98 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: night and it was pretty cool, Like it was on 99 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: the front of my parents, my family, my brothers and sister. 100 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: That was a really cool experience, something I always cherished. Yeah, 101 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: that was that was I remember. And yeah, as somebody 102 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: that played for the Clippers in the less than ideal 103 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: period and now they've been the last few years, they've 104 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: been one of the better teams in the NBA every 105 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: year there because it odd as just somebody that experienced 106 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: the Clippers at the Sports Arena, to see that the 107 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: franchise actually doesn't stink anymore. They're actually good. It's pretty 108 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: cool for me. It's really is. Uh. You know, I 109 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: told Clippers have always been seen as the little brother 110 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: in l A. And that's understandably. You know, this is 111 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: the Lakers town and that's cool. But you know, like 112 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I said back then, we get text too, even though 113 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: sometimes they bounced being from Donald Thurling, but we were 114 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: eight players also, So to see the transition Mr Bomber 115 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: come in, uh, Doc Rivers there first and then now Tyler. 116 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: They're really starting to establish a good culture and a 117 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: place where free agents would like to come. So that's 118 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: really cool for me to see. I mean, I'm enjoying it. 119 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 120 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific 121 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah. 122 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: And as an l A guy, I mean from Long 123 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: Beach or in l A guy you put at U 124 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: C l A. And I always I get this argument. 125 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: You know, all the guys I work with their Laker apologists, 126 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: and they always like, whatever the Lakers do, they defend 127 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: and there's room for the Clippers, and every time the 128 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: Clippers do anything, these people get triggered and they're like 129 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: they freak out because they're jealous of the any success. 130 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 1: It's very annoying. Tonny man, It's it's hilarious. I laughed. 131 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: You know, my brother and sister gotten me kind of 132 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: up to date it on social media and how to 133 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: use it and everything. So I like to go on. 134 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: It's like you said, see all the Laker apologists and everything. 135 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: It's funny. You know, this town is big enough to 136 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: have the Lakers in the Clippers. I do think the 137 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: Clippers need to have their own building. Uh kind of 138 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: developed their own identity, and I I have even tossed 139 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: around maybe changing the name, just to kind of completely 140 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: move on from the Donald Starting era. What would you 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: call him? What would you call the Clippers there? What name? 142 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't come up with a creative 143 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: name yet, but I will be if I do, I 144 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: will definitely submit it. Yeah no, no, it's gonna be like, uh, well, 145 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: nicknames are a very dicey subject these days. But something 146 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: we like, I like just like the Hollywood stars or 147 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: something you can play in Inglewood there they're building that 148 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: arena in Inglewood. In a few years they gonna have 149 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: that arena, but uh like something like l A centric 150 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: that you know, I will work on it. But anyway, listen, 151 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: I remember before I forget here, Derek, when you were 152 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: playing for the clips I was doing. I was a 153 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: reporter and then I became a talk show host. Around 154 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: that time, I was doing the Ben and Dave Show 155 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: and you called in every once in a while. That 156 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I remember time we were doing a remote from from 157 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: a bar and you were driving around and you were 158 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: so cool. You showed up to hang out with us, 159 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: and that was awesome. That was that was You probably 160 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: even remember that, Derek, but you were no. I do 161 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: I remember it. I definitely remember when I, like I said, 162 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm just learning about doing the social media. So when 163 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: I found out you had a show, I just started 164 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: to recollect all the things, like coming on your show, 165 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: going to that remote. I really enjoyed coming on your show, man, 166 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: that was really cool. So that's kind of why I 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: reached out to you. Just wanted to say hello and 168 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: see how you're doing and just say you congratulations on 169 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: getting happened what you have now, because I remember those days, 170 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: and I do remember that remote that I came to. 171 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: We had a good time. Yeah, it was great. We 172 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: were like shocked. We were like, wait, and an NBA 173 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: guys showing up to our remote, It's like weird. I mean, 174 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: I didn't expect that doing the Night Show back then. 175 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: But and I got to I mean, Derek, you have 176 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: had you must have the biggest man cave of all 177 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: the jerseys. That it's like a Dr. Seuss poem. The 178 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: places you'll go to peep well, you'll see how many 179 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: cities have you lived in as a basketball But you've 180 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: been all over the place. Oh, I've been all over 181 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: I was explaining to my son all the different teams 182 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: I've played for. And let's see the Clippers, Minnesota, Dallas, Toronto, Vancouver, UH, Sacramento, 183 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: UH team in Pompey, Italy. I played with the Magic 184 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: Johnson Tour teams for in Russia. I've played um for 185 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: the Globe Riter. So I got a chance to see 186 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: the world. A huge question just all because of the 187 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: game of basketball. So how difficult when you're when you're 188 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: a player, you bounces around. How difficult is it? I 189 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: mean we see this all the time. Guys get traded 190 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: and stuff and it's not like totally unique, but you've 191 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: had to live in all these different cities. You've got 192 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: to get doctors and all that. How how big a 193 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: pain in the assd is that, Derek? When you keep 194 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: changing cities and you have to you know, find a 195 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: new location all that. Uh, you know, I've kind of 196 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: gotten used to it. I kind of got used to it. 197 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: And we went down for Father's Day, me and my brother, 198 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: his kids, my son, my sister's kids, and we're all 199 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: in the hotel and they just loved it. And I said, yeah, 200 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm Candida live in this hotel. Just fund all his 201 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: light that they said, Oh, this is great, my son, 202 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: this is great that we do this all the time. Yeah, 203 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: your dad has lived that life. So you know, it's 204 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: it's fun. I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of 205 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed especially when I got a chance to maybe also 206 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: to uh go overseas playing Russia, playing in Italy. Uh 207 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: to see the different cultures and learned from the people 208 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: in that city. Uh. So it's been fun. You know. 209 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: I never saw it as a as a burden. I 210 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: saw it as an opportunity to learn and and see 211 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: something new. Yeah, and I love to find I didn't realize, 212 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, I lost track of a little bit. I 213 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: didn't realize you had played with the Harlem Globe Trotters. 214 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: And I was aware of that fun fact when I 215 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: was a kid, Derek, my parents took me to see 216 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: the Harlem Globetrotters and it actually helped. I was a 217 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: little kid. I don't remember how old I was. I 218 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: was very smart, but I are like falling in love 219 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: with basketball with all the you know, the trick shots 220 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So when you played with when 221 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: you play with the Globe tracks, like, what was your 222 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: did you have a signature move? Did you have your 223 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: signature go to thing that you would entertain the fans with. No. 224 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: So what they had was was a team that would 225 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: play exhibitions against college teams like Syracuse, Michigan State, and 226 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: uh UTEP and a few other schools, and then after 227 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: the game, the real game, then the Globetriters that did 228 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: the entertaining would come in. So I played on the 229 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: team the first team that played the real exhibition games 230 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: and played against Syracuse Utah and I remember this one 231 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: game against Michigan State. Shannon Brown was still that was 232 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: there at the time. And he was supposed to be 233 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: the defensive stopper and I kind of really got go 234 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: and have one of those. I end up with thirty 235 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 1: eight and doing the course of the game. Michael's uh, 236 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: Tom millel yo that you can't carry that odd guy. 237 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: I said, hey, Loo man, you once you come out 238 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: here and try to gard me yourself for It was 239 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. Mammy Jackson Um 240 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: did a wonderful job running that organization, and Chad Growth 241 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: was a part of it also too, So it was 242 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: definitely a great experience and definitely something I treasure. That's 243 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, I did see the story the other day. 244 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: I think it was just for publicity. They said the 245 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: Harlem Globe Trotter said they wanted to be an NBA 246 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: expansion team. They wanted to be an expansion You can't 247 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: be the the Globe Trotters. You can't be in the 248 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: n Yeah, no, I can't be in it. They would 249 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: lose their lord. You know, they have a nitch. They 250 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: should just keep going with that Niche like you said, 251 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: they don't even know how they affect so many young kids. 252 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: He's like you said, you fell in love with the 253 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: game of basketball after going to oh you Globe Trotter 254 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: at one time. So you know, I think they should 255 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: just stay in that lane and and and enjoy it 256 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: and and just write it out. I agree. So and 257 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: when I told a friend of mine, I said, you know, 258 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: Derek called in and he remembered you when you played 259 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: and stuff, and he said, he said, you gotta ask 260 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: Derek about the Michael Jordan's story and so so uh 261 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: so I've been asked, I guess this goes back to 262 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: your Vancouver days, Derek, and it's a yeah, yeah, I've been. 263 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: It's been funny. I'm almost in the last six seven months, 264 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: I've been on tour telling that story. A few people 265 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: have asked me. And it's a lot of backdrop to it. 266 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: There was Michael's out here filming space dams, and of 267 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: course everybody knows about the tent that they built for 268 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: in the court and what have you. So he's playing 269 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: against mostly a lot of Urian players and he wasn't 270 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: feeling challenge. So he called up Magic and said, hey, 271 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, you've got any guys that can come down 272 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: here and play, you know, local NBA guys. So he's 273 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: Magic called me, said little fill if you take a 274 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: group of guys down there. So I said, yeah, okay. 275 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: So all my guys at that time, we all grew 276 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: up together, Chris Mills, Tracy Murray, Mitchell Butler. So we 277 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: go down there to play. So we're waiting to come 278 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: on and play. Finally it's our game going to seven 279 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: and at six six, I come down on the wing, 280 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: act like I'm gonna shoot, and Michael jumps for the 281 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: a fake and I go by and lay it up 282 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: and I just commenced to talk, excuse me trash to 283 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: Michael for about the next minute and a half and 284 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling him everything, get out of my city. This 285 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: is l A. You're not the real m J Magic, 286 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: the real m J. Just get out of here. And 287 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: everybody's just laughing. They can't believe that the little guys 288 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: talking bad to Michael even so far, to so much 289 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: that Chris Mills picked me up on my finger. Uh, 290 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: Peter dangling. He's saying, d Mark stop stop. Stop. The 291 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: long story short, Michael comes on like two games later. 292 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way, because it's thirty people 293 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: in here. You're supposed to be wait. He's like, this 294 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: is my im come on what I want. So he 295 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: ends up being us in next game. And now he 296 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: follows me around the next minute and a half just 297 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: talking trash to me. So that's the backdrop going into 298 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: that year. And so he called Magic is like, man, 299 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: who's this little guy you must be talking about? Mark? Yeah, 300 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: DMR talk trash talks. So Michael I kind of, you know, 301 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: broke a little bit of a friendship. So fast forwards 302 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: and now we're playing in Vancouver. That's a thirteen game, 303 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: uh road trip for them. You know, most back then 304 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: in the NBA, when you get to that last game, 305 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: you're just kind of trying to get home. Vancouver was 306 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: the last game on the schedule on that trip. So 307 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: I came down. It was about two minutes ago. I 308 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: made a lay up and got an N one walk 309 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: by the bench. I told you would beat me to 310 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: night in so many words, and so Phil looked out 311 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: heading like, all right, what you want to do. So 312 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: Michael had untied issues, you know, kind of put the 313 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: towel on his head and was kind of just you know, 314 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: giving up for the night. So he tied his shoes 315 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: back up, takes the towel off, checks in, and he 316 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: comes stands next to me at the foul line. I 317 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: got a pretty good picture of it. And he says, 318 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: I told you about talking trash, and I still looked 319 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: up to the the collection. Man, you're not beating me to night, buddy. 320 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: So anyone's go ahead next like ten, he having points 321 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: to beat us down the stretch and Yrus Scott was 322 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: guard and he was so mad at me walking ahead 323 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot. If you're going to truck trash, at least 324 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: starting a guy, I said, lust here right. So it 325 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: was a funny thing. So afterwards they told the ball 326 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: He sent the ball boys over to get me. So 327 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: we just kind of sat down and talk. He's like, man, 328 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: you don't ever stop. I said, you put your pants 329 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: one at the time, just like me. So I'm gonna 330 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: compete and do the same thing. So he laughs that 331 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that, So that's good that. 332 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. So we could. You know, we 333 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: got a little bit of a friendship. When we see 334 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: each other, we laugh and talk about it. Oh that's great. Yeah, 335 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: And I saw I did see a clip and he 336 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: was like he was he he had his like he 337 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: was sitting on the bench. He had a towel on 338 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Jordan like he was out of the game, and then 339 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: he because if you he came back, and that's a 340 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: that's a great were you are? You were one of 341 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: the few that played for the Vancouver version of the Grizzlies. Also, Derek, 342 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean that you played for both You played for 343 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: both Canadian teams. You're one of the few, right. I 344 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: didn't realize that. My brother was telling me the other day. 345 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: He's like, you realizing one of the only guys let's 346 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: played for both Canadian teams teams, And I was like, 347 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: oh wow, I didn't know that. What was it like? Now? 348 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: A lot of like younger people probably don't even remember 349 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: the Vancouver Grizzlies. It's been so long, But like, what 350 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: was it like playing basketball in Vancouver? The team has 351 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: been been in Memphis for many years now. It's it 352 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: was amazing that Vancouver is a very underrated city. It's 353 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: beautiful up there. The people are nice, they got great food. 354 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: I think the team, the league just they didn't wait 355 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: it out long enough. You know, basketball was new to 356 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: that region and so fans were just starting to understand 357 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: the game. But they loved it. They supported the team. 358 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: They came out and cheered and it was a good 359 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: city for them to move the team from Vancouver to Memphis. 360 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: I think it's really I don't know if you you know, 361 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: like Memphis barbecue and I think it's okay, But it 362 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: was nothing to like the food, uh and Vancouver and 363 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: just the whole atmosphere. Vancouver was so relaxed and really cool. 364 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. You know, I almost wish I 365 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: could have played half of my career there because that's 366 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: how much I enjoyed the city and how much I 367 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: enjoyed the fans and the people up there. They really 368 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: supported the team. Be sure to catch live editions of 369 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: The Ben Miller Show week days at two am Eastern 370 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: eleven p m Pacific. Hey, I'm John Middlecoff and I 371 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: host the Three and Out podcast. Do you like football? 372 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: Do you like the NFL? Do you like the NFL draft? Quarterbacks? Coaches? Well, 373 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: I talked about it all on the show. I used 374 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: to work for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I 375 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: give you my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that 376 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: goes on the NFL. And you know, we're talking college 377 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: football because of how important the draft is year round. 378 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: Listen to the three and out podcast with me John 379 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: Middlecom on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or 380 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, and they loved you 381 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: in Toronto too, right, even though I mean you're you're 382 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: a backup guy in the Raptors, but they seem to 383 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: embrace you in Toronto. Also, Yeah, I really I enjoyed that. 384 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: It's funny because now now I walked into the locker 385 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: room and I was used to be in the baby 386 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: or the middle of the road guy. I walked into 387 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: the Toronto locker room and all of a sudden, I'm 388 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: an old guy. Really quick, I'm like, whoa, everybody in 389 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: here is twenty two. I'm like thirty something, right, So 390 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: it was it was pretty cool because now my role 391 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: kind of switched from maybe every day player, every game 392 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: player to sort of a backup and a mentor. And 393 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: it was really cool cool. You know, developed a really 394 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: good relationship with Chris Humphries, with Jose Calderon, Chris Boss, 395 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Anthony Parker to the point where we all still talked 396 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: to this day and check on each other. So it 397 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: was a really good time. And I had a chance 398 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: to play for Sam Mitchell, who I played with my 399 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: rookie year in Minnesota. So things kind of went full 400 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: circle and that was pretty cool. The circle of life. 401 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: How weird is it? By the way, Deck, I mean, 402 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: we were around the same age, and like, I don't 403 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: even it's hard to be like, I've become the old 404 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: guy in radio and stuff, and it's odd to me. 405 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: It's bizarre. I don't I don't feel that old. I mean, 406 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure you don't feel real. It's just it's a 407 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: weird thing. All of a sudden, you wake up and 408 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, Like twenty five years of 409 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: my career has gone by. It's pretty wild. And yeah, 410 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm betting you're like, well, wait a minute, what's happened here? 411 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: You know? And I got one day and I got 412 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of a belly. I'm like, man, where 413 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: did this come from? It's like overnight, this thing is changed. 414 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it, Like I said, I'm enjoying the business 415 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: with Mitchell father, myself, Legacy West dot com. I'm enjoying. 416 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: It's been a lot of time with my son teaching him. 417 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: Like I said, he's playing baseball and basketball, so I 418 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: might also have a first base uh going up here? 419 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: Pretty soon. So it's been fun. It's been fun. I've 420 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: been enjoying things right now. Now, your son's a little guy. 421 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: Does he have the does he have the love of 422 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: sports or have you kept him off the video games yet? Derek? 423 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: Have you've been able to keep him off the video games? 424 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: He does like a few video games right now. His 425 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: thing is the wrestling. He loves wrestling, the w W 426 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: E that He's got a lot of Uh, guys and 427 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: every now and then we'll play basketball or football, but uh, 428 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: definitely into the sports. He enjoys it. He has a 429 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: hitting coach that he goes to once a week. Uh. 430 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: He's really embraced basketball and he has a lot of 431 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: fun with it. Uh. It's really good. And sometimes I 432 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: get emotional just watch him because he's Derek Jr. So 433 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: to see Derek Jr. Just start to embrace the love 434 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: of sports is really cool. Well, and you know, if 435 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: he loves wrestling, he could become a professional wrestler. There 436 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: was a guy, Derek, you know that listened to my 437 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: show back. He used to send me emails back in 438 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: the day, and he was going to wrestling school in Florida. 439 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: They have a place in Tampa and he he became 440 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: the wrestler known as uh Russef. Now he's he goes 441 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: by the name Mero, but he was at one point 442 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: he was a big deal in the in the w W. 443 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: He had like a tenure career under the ring name 444 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: Rusef there and then he's you know, we played we 445 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: use him on the game. I have to tell much 446 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: T when I get off. Yeah, yeah, and w W 447 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: game Russ is on there and we play with that. 448 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: By the way, and this will also impress your your son. 449 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: That the reason I became friends with the wrestler Russef 450 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: who's now Miro is he's a Clipper guy. He likes 451 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: the Clippers, and yeah, yeah, he's actually he's he spent 452 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: some time in southern California. I think I know he 453 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: was living in Florida listening to the show because it's syndicated, 454 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: but he he did. He likes the Clippers. So we 455 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: were bo So yeah, so he probably knows who you 456 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: are and probably watched you play back back when you 457 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: were playing for the team back in the day. Okay, yeah, 458 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: definitely if you ever talked to you again, definitely he's 459 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: got love for us. Absolutely, no, absolutely, I will all right, 460 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: So I want to now let's get into meat and 461 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: potatoes basketball deck. So you reached out to me. You know, 462 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: I do these crazy monologues in the middle of the night, 463 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: screaming and shouting and all that stuff about basketball and 464 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: what's going on. But you played in the Golden Age 465 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 1: for many in the nineteen nineties. Back against you mentioned 466 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: your your friendship with Michael Jordan, and you played against 467 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: John Stockton, and you know, the great teams of that era. 468 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: What is the biggest difference. You watch the NBA today 469 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: and you're you're you're teaching beast, But when you watch 470 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: the NBA today and the way it's played the way 471 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: it was in the night, what is the biggest thing 472 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: that stands out to you? And I'm gonna say this, 473 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: and I'm sure people would take it the wrong way, 474 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: but what the first word that comes to my mind 475 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: is soft. It's kid, It's kind of soft and and 476 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: that's okay. Um, explain why because now they have uh, 477 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: the scoring is up. Everybody likes scoring. So the league 478 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: was really good about trying to create what they call 479 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: freedom of motion. Freedom of movement so it's less physical 480 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: and the scores are going up. I enjoyed. I would 481 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: love to play in this this area. The pick and 482 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: roll are Oh my goodness, if I could play pick 483 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: and roll uh every time down the floor. The taste 484 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: of space right now. But the biggest difference I think 485 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: is just not it's not as physical as when I played. 486 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: What they go to the monitor now to review as 487 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: a flavor and one flavorant to was just a normal 488 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: foul by tars locally or Buck Williams or Xavier McDaniel 489 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: or sabonus And when I first got in the league. 490 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: So uh, it's just less physical. Yeah, and they they 491 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: have to review everything there. It's see, I like to 492 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: watch these games, but why do they have to review everything? 493 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: You don't have to write, you can play. You played 494 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: the game there. They did not review every single I 495 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: mean they didn't even have that at the beginning there, 496 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: and everything's reviewed. It's insane. Why absolutely it is. And 497 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: and the other thing that I think the league's amasically 498 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: just tickened up on it. I don't know how you 499 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: do it. I know they did have a fine and 500 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: place for it, but you gotta watch the flopping. It's 501 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: getting out of hand. It really, it's kind of getting 502 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: out of hand and it's almost uh, it's very funny 503 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: sometimes how different players can bait the reps n calls 504 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: and there's really no contact there at all. Well, even 505 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: the other night in the final, I Devin Booker, who 506 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: had a great game, and he he it's like they 507 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: had an anviled dropped on his head and they went 508 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: to the replay and he wasn't even like really touched. 509 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: It was. It was wild, man. I mean, it happens 510 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: all the time, absolutely, yeah. Uh. And then when you 511 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: get to the point where there actually is a foul, 512 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: you know, so then it's kind of hard to decide 513 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: between the two. So they they have to find a 514 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: way to kind of tighten up on that a little bit. Now. 515 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: You also there, I must bring up you got you know, 516 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: I was praising Patrick Beverley. I was praising him with 517 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: the with the clips and the way that he was 518 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: playing against the Sun. You though, you were taking a 519 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: different position on Patrick Beverley when I was praising him 520 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: for the way he was playing in the in this 521 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: series against Feast. What was your your opinion? Give me 522 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: your your high take here. I think my high tech 523 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: is you really have to watch how he plays. I 524 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: think he does play dirty at times. I mean, you 525 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: can just listen to what Russell Westbrook has said. He's 526 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: hurt him. I don't think the head but the head 527 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: but of Devin book another day was unintentional. I think 528 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: it was incinal. The found that he made on Chris 529 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: Paul coming off the screen where his legs were Chris 530 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Paul's elevated in the air and he could have landed 531 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: on his wrist or his neck or anything like that. 532 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: Those are not basketball plays. And I think he makes 533 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: too many of the non basketball plays, uh to be 534 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: considered playing defense. You know, that's not defense. And I 535 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: played against the Doug Christie, the Derek Harper's, the Gary Payton, 536 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: the guys that were called so called defenders, and they 537 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: never made defensive plays like that that that he does, 538 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: uh trying to make it still or make a play 539 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: where he undercut a guy or heard a guy's knee 540 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: and now he's outspore a period of time. Uh. You know, 541 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: I just think that's unnecessary. So I'm not necessarily a 542 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: big fan of his the way he plays. Uh, they're 543 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: just they're just not my style. That's not my thing. Well, Derek, though, 544 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 1: you have to admit though, he's found a niche, right, 545 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: he's got he's got his niche. People know who he is, 546 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: and he's been kind of like a backup guy most 547 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: of his his career. But yeah, and that and that's 548 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: what he is. And uh as you can see. And 549 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: I think in the theories before the Senis one, the 550 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: Dallas one, Tyler couldn't play him because his skill set 551 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: didn't fit what was going on. And it's just he's 552 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: not a typical guard in my opinion of the card 553 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: that we played against in the nineties. You know that 554 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: most of the point guards, you have to be able 555 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: to run a team. You have to be able to orchestrate, 556 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: be an extension of the coach, make a play for 557 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: yourself and also make playce for your teammates. And I 558 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: don't see him doing that. Yeah, so let's go back 559 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: to that when you were playing against those guys in 560 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: the nineties, like John. I've heard stories about John Stockton 561 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: and like what he was like to go against and 562 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: kind of he didn't seem like he was I don't 563 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: know if dirty is the right word, but he was 564 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: always in your business. Shall we say any any recollection 565 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: back in those days, any John Stockton thing that pops 566 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: up in your head there when you thought, think, oh, yeah, 567 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: he was physical. He was I wouldn't say dirty, but 568 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: he was physical with you. He had bumped you, shoot 569 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: you an elbow, you know. He was uh. He would 570 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: get into your grill and and try to frustrate you 571 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: in a different way than what Patrick Proppli does. It 572 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: was more of a competitor, you know, just if we're 573 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: on the on the streets of Compton or l A. 574 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: This is how we play, you know. And and John 575 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: was physical and and I loved it. It It brought the 576 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: best out of me. Having a chance to play against 577 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: John Stockings And a funny story. I got a chance 578 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: to coach his son, David when I was the head 579 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: coach Renal Big Horns, and he and I would sitting 580 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: around and just talk about the different games I played 581 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: against your dad. And then John started coming to our game, 582 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: so I got a chance to kind of sit down 583 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: and just talk to him other than competing against him. 584 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: And it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. And 585 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: I told him he always brought the best out of 586 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: me and I always wanted h He said, Hey, I 587 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: knew playing against you. I couldn't have stuff, So it 588 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: was it was a good little give and take. That's 589 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: pretty that's pretty cool. And you're still you're still kind 590 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: of coaching, right because you're doing the basketball. You've got 591 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: the thing you're doing right now. But when you were 592 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: coaching in the in the is it was it the 593 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: G League then or the D League? What was it 594 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: called at the time, it was it was a D League, 595 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: I was. It was just it was a couple of 596 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: years a couple of years ago. Yeah, So, like, what 597 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: was it like coaching in the in the G League? 598 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: They're like, well, you had obviously been an assistant before 599 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: and stuff, but when you're the head coach and and 600 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: all that, what was what was that like for you? 601 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: It was really good. I enjoyed it immensely because the 602 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: role that those guys were taking the same role that 603 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: I took to get into the NBA, you know, playing 604 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: on Magic's All Star team, playing in the cb A, 605 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: grinding it out, so I understand what they were feeling emotionally, 606 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: what they were going through, so I could relate to them. 607 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: I could have to sit down and have conversations with 608 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: him and kind of keep them positive all the time 609 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: and keep them focused on the right path. And it 610 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: was really cool to be in that kind of grind 611 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: with him. I really enjoyed it. Uh. It was a 612 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: lot of fun I got to teach. I had a 613 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: good assistant in Rico heinz Um who was doing great 614 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: things right now with Sacramento and the development with the 615 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: players up there. So it was it was a huge, 616 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: dude blessing to be a head coach of the Renal 617 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: Big Horns and a lot of fun. You got to 618 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: help some guys further their dreams. I got Marcus Williams. 619 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember played at U 620 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: com playing in the league for a little bit. I 621 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: got him sort I had to tell end of his 622 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: career and kind of got him playing at a level 623 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: that he could finish his career just enjoying and and happy. 624 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: And we won two division titles when I was coaching, 625 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: and we got to the playoffs, end up losing in 626 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: the in the second round. But it was a lot 627 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: of fun. Definitely a lot of fun. Awesome, Derek. I 628 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: I know I've kept you for a while here. I 629 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: think I've gone over a lot of times, but I 630 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: appreciate seriously and uh, continued success and I have fun 631 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: memories of interacting with you back in the day. And uh, 632 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm excited that you've reached out and call any time. 633 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: And you know we're on late at night, so if 634 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: you can't sleep, if you've got insomnia, uh, we'll be 635 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: there and uh and I'll shoot you a message. I 636 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for doing this thing. Oh definitely, absolutely. 637 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: You know I'm usually up in in the evening just relaxing, 638 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: having a bottle of a nice Chianti or Barolo. So 639 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: definitely I'll shoot you a check your call. Awesome, thank 640 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: you there, I appreciate it. Okay, thanks Mann