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Speaker 1: Westling podcast studio two of my favorite people in the world,
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf and Jordan Rodrigan. Today they are representing the
Speaker 1: Yin and the Yang. Colleen coming off a record setting
Speaker 1: sixteen hours of sleep just is amazing right now.
Speaker 4: I feel I wish I could say I feel refreshed,
Speaker 4: but I don't, so I don't know what's wrong with me.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Jordan rodriga of The Athletic, coming off of
Speaker 1: a day where Colleen is saying that she feels a
Speaker 1: little dark energy from Jordan, but I like it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is like I'm into this, Jordan.
Speaker 3: Let's despare Oh okay, we do we just get into it.
Speaker 1: I know we we we had an idea for a
Speaker 1: show and maybe we'll do it in the future of
Speaker 1: like where like the Despair rankings, it actually feels like
Speaker 1: there's more teams than ever that don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of hope seven to eight and we're actually gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about the potential sellers and that that's the list
Speaker 1: of the teams. But again, let's just get to it, Jordan,
Speaker 1: let's not let's not mess around. So on Sunday, and yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be previewing the trade deadline. It's it's two
Speaker 1: weeks from when we're taping this, and that sounds like
Speaker 1: a long time, but this is when all the conversation
Speaker 1: is gonna pick up. A lot of those trades actually
Speaker 1: in the past few years were about one week before
Speaker 1: they did move the trade deadline back. So conversation is
Speaker 1: gonna pick up over the next couple of weeks. It's
Speaker 1: a nice time to just go through potential trades we'd
Speaker 1: like to see and just talk about the market in general.
Speaker 1: But before we get at that specific Like, you're in
Speaker 1: the middle of one of these stories, Jordan, because the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams might be one of the potential sellers,
Speaker 1: and you reported on Sunday that Cooper Cup could potentially
Speaker 1: be available in a trade. Ian Rapaport of NFL Network
Speaker 1: had a similar rapport.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Ian, if you're listening, Ian had
Speaker 2: it first.
Speaker 3: Oh Diddy, I didn't even know that. Okay, So I.
Speaker 2: Wrap a point he's not listening rapit points is good.
Speaker 1: I did see him send a nice tech tweet out
Speaker 1: though about your play Caller series.
Speaker 2: Though that made my job before my morning devolved into chaos.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Big Big John spy tech pop this week,
Speaker 1: your your guests.
Speaker 3: Not to get too far off track.
Speaker 1: I did love your one with Alec Hallaby and the
Speaker 1: Eagles last week, So yes, people should check out the
Speaker 1: play Callers.
Speaker 3: But let's talk. Let's talk Cooper Cup like, what do
Speaker 3: you see?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: Where is this at?
Speaker 2: What do you think it's fluid? Right? Because let's also
Speaker 2: add the context of the a little bit of actual
Speaker 2: news today where the Rams opened up Pukaakua's twenty one
Speaker 2: day window to return, so this is a team that's
Speaker 2: getting healthy now. It is also true they have spoken
Speaker 2: with teams about what it would possibly be to facilitate
Speaker 2: a trade. They were getting calls on him earlier in
Speaker 2: this fall, even when he was recovering from the injury,
Speaker 2: which is worth I reported Sunday, and it wasn't like
Speaker 2: the jokey calls they used to get on Aaron Donald,
Speaker 2: like you want to send us Aaron you know? And
Speaker 2: ha ha everyone laughs about it. This year. Every year,
Speaker 2: teams would do it and some GMS at Less as
Speaker 2: Sneed is close with would call the prank him about
Speaker 2: it and all that. But this was not that. This
Speaker 2: was hey, would this guy actually be available? What would
Speaker 2: it actually take? Those types of calls that the Rams
Speaker 2: are getting, and they've spoken with teams about those types
Speaker 2: of things, and so this is significant, not just because
Speaker 2: it's Cooper Cup and he's been the heartbeat of this
Speaker 2: offense for so many years, despite the fact that he's
Speaker 2: been so injured over the last three years. He hasn't
Speaker 2: been able to complete a full season since basically sacrificing
Speaker 2: his entire physical well being for that Triple Crown and
Speaker 2: for the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one. But it's
Speaker 2: wild to me that we're here now. It feels like
Speaker 2: yesterday that I was covering that team and we're here
Speaker 2: now where they're talking about potentially and teams are wondering
Speaker 2: what a Ram's future might look like without Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: and what it might take to get him in their building.
Speaker 4: And it changes the trade market completely to know that
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup could be seriously on the move, because you
Speaker 4: look at the wide receivers that are available right now,
Speaker 4: the names aren't exactly popping out like a Cooper Cup would.
Speaker 5: Despite the health history that he has.
Speaker 4: But Deontay Johnson, Christian Kirk, DeAndre Hopkins, Tyler Boyd. I mean,
Speaker 4: these are the names, Mike Williams, Kendrick Bourne. But a
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup could really change the dynamics of a team.
Speaker 3: It have to be the right fit.
Speaker 1: And yeah, maybe we'll jump into it because I might
Speaker 1: disagree slightly just that he's such a risky proposition because
Speaker 1: of the health.
Speaker 3: Now, he looked good.
Speaker 1: I thought early this season that was the best he
Speaker 1: had lone looked maybe since twenty twenty one, because he
Speaker 1: looked like a player that was maybe breaking down a
Speaker 1: little bit physically or fighting through injuries when he played
Speaker 1: a lot of the times the last two years. And
Speaker 1: I think he looked good early this season, but then
Speaker 1: he got hurt again. So it's a very risky proposition
Speaker 1: to me to trade for Cooper Cup. I would think
Speaker 1: that would hurt his value, and that there's finances to
Speaker 1: get involved. We don't need to get into all that.
Speaker 1: I do have some potential trades. But if you want
Speaker 1: to just go like generally about about Cup, well.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say too that like the NFC
Speaker 2: West still being like relatively open, I mean it doesn't.
Speaker 2: The Rams have been so hurt that it's hard to
Speaker 2: even know what the identity of this team is. And
Speaker 2: I wrote that I feel like that is the identity,
Speaker 2: and it has been, but it's been start stop, start stop,
Speaker 2: start stop. And usually this team's offense has flowed through
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup and Puka to Kua, but Cooper hasn't been
Speaker 2: available for a full season, Puka wasn't available for the
Speaker 2: full season this season, and so now it's kind of
Speaker 2: like you're straddling the between two worlds. What a world
Speaker 2: without them or at least one of them looks like
Speaker 2: and what a world where you get them back and
Speaker 2: you could build again as you have over the last
Speaker 2: few years through them. So the thing is is because
Speaker 2: you're getting Pukinakua back, and because you know that Cooper
Speaker 2: Cup is so valuable with all the things away from
Speaker 2: the ball, unlocking elements of the run game. Steve Avula
Speaker 2: being out means that their screen game is crashed, and
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup can help unlock elements of that that mitigate
Speaker 2: pressure on Matthew Stafford. All of these different types of things.
Speaker 2: You're almost tempted, like, Okay, the NFC West is still
Speaker 2: in reach. Is this we know Matthew Stafford, what his
Speaker 2: contract structure looks like, insinuating that maybe he comes back
Speaker 2: to the table or moves on after this year. Is
Speaker 2: it time for one last ride with the gang altogether
Speaker 2: and healthy? Right Steve Avula also coming back later this fall,
Speaker 2: you know, is it time for one last ride to
Speaker 2: try to at least, you know, save some face in
Speaker 2: the NFC West and see where it takes you. Or
Speaker 2: is this the time to say, Okay, this era is
Speaker 2: now closed. Let's move to the new era, which we've
Speaker 2: already had to have one foot in by proxy of
Speaker 2: the fact that he has been injured.
Speaker 1: Right, And look, last year they were a dynamic offense
Speaker 1: essentially without Cooper Cup all season right when he was
Speaker 1: at But they're gonna have him back. They're hoping within
Speaker 1: this twenty one day practice window. Thank you, Walker. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go to the game on Thursday night. We're actually
Speaker 1: gonna preview that game, and the timing of it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's a tough game Vikings at Rams and we can
Speaker 1: get into that, but whether they win these games. They
Speaker 1: have the Vikings this week, and then they have the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: a division game in week nine before the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: That could all play into it.
Speaker 2: I also am very hyper aware as I was prepping
Speaker 2: for this that I try to avoid talking a lot
Speaker 2: about the Rams because I.
Speaker 3: Know that that's now, They're in the middle. That's right.
Speaker 2: But now, but now I'm like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: almost like the karmic balance of the universe cycled background
Speaker 2: is forcing me twisting my r to talk to the
Speaker 2: Thursday night game Cooper Cup potentially on the block, like
Speaker 2: this is a let's see if Matt Stafford gets on
Speaker 2: the block in the next couple weeks, we'll put a
Speaker 2: pin in that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1: That really hasn't been out there, But you do wonder
Speaker 1: if they lost a couple of these games, let's just
Speaker 1: tuck where Cup could go. I'm going to propose a trade.
Speaker 1: I switched midstream. I'm going bucks Liam Cohen. Liam Cohen
Speaker 1: was there in Los Angeles, and then you have the
Speaker 1: injury with Chris Godwin. If I'm looking for a comfert
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup and what he can do for your offense,
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin is obviously a younger version of it.
Speaker 3: But that makes a lot of sense to me. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Mike evans Is injury makes it
Speaker 1: more or less likely, but Rick Stroud of the I
Speaker 1: believe that The Saint Petersburg Times reported he's probably out Mike
Speaker 1: Evans for the next two to three weeks.
Speaker 5: Oh God.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not trying to put him on IR because
Speaker 1: they're hoping he can come back after their bye, but
Speaker 1: that's probably missing three games. Like, do they even believe
Speaker 1: it's worth trading for a Cooper Cup? Either way, They're
Speaker 1: a team that does not like to give up their
Speaker 1: draft picks, but there aren't that many that that would.
Speaker 3: They're a team that makes sense on papers.
Speaker 4: And there's so many teams that need a wide receiver
Speaker 4: and the Bucks just kind of jumped into that pool
Speaker 4: last night after the injuries. You have the Bucks, the
Speaker 4: Chargers could use a wide receiver.
Speaker 5: The Chiefs.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I can't imagine the Rams and Chargers
Speaker 1: doing business because I just think there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a little bit of rivalry there, a little bit
Speaker 1: of heat. They're not gonna want to give the other
Speaker 1: LA teams it's like sneaky rivalry. It's not amongst the fans,
Speaker 1: but it does seem like it's a real thing.
Speaker 4: Think the front offices have a big rivalry than the fans.
Speaker 1: Do. Yes, I do. Like they're sharing a stadium. It's
Speaker 1: like the Rams stadium, but the Chargers are the tenants.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a little weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Niners too. There are so many teams that
Speaker 4: need a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: They see they love Cooper cup Tea. They don't want to.
Speaker 1: They don't want to see them.
Speaker 2: Like proof that Kyle and Sean are good now we swear,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I like, I actually like. I would love
Speaker 2: the fit with the Charge. I'll tell you I'll love
Speaker 2: the fit with the Charge, right. I don't see it
Speaker 2: happening per se, but I would love that fit if
Speaker 2: he is on the move. What about the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone did a photoshop and it just looks so natural.
Speaker 2: But the thing too So I was reading when I
Speaker 2: was prepping for this, even before the morning devolved into chaos.
Speaker 2: You know, Jonathan Jones at CBS was talking about the
Speaker 2: Chiefs who are really wanting to go get a receiver
Speaker 2: and trying to get a receiver, and one of the
Speaker 2: hold ups would be they might be asking for a
Speaker 2: higher price in his reporting because teams don't want them
Speaker 2: to just get a three peet with all their pieces.
Speaker 2: But then also it's a complicated offense. It's a complicated
Speaker 2: offense and hard to pick up. Okay, so who's going
Speaker 2: to pick that up? Pretty much right when he gets
Speaker 2: into the I mean, I've seen that dude do some
Speaker 2: insane stuff on the film board and like all of
Speaker 2: those things. And I also think that this is one
Speaker 2: of those attention grabbing players who can open up their
Speaker 2: speed guys on the perimeter a little bit more and
Speaker 2: then also create because those speed guys on the perimeter
Speaker 2: will get working create more space in the middle of
Speaker 2: the field for him to then work. I just think
Speaker 2: it's a fit and Holmes and Cup is kind of
Speaker 2: just like not fair to think about, but if if
Speaker 2: he would be on the move, that would be a
Speaker 2: potential fit.
Speaker 4: Do you think that any GM though? Is like I
Speaker 4: feel like there's this thing with the Chiefs because they've
Speaker 4: had so much success and because they haven't had a
Speaker 4: wide receiver while they've had so much of that success.
Speaker 4: I just don't know if any team is going to
Speaker 4: send a wide receiver to them.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 1: People, how do you keep dominating that part of the
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones report, I don't know if when push comes
Speaker 1: to shove, I totally buy. I think it's like freezing.
Speaker 1: I think it's like the thing. It's like free agency
Speaker 1: and players. Ultimately, the team that offers the most money
Speaker 1: is going to get him ninety plus percent of the time.
Speaker 1: So if the Chiefs offer the best draft pick, I
Speaker 1: believe not.
Speaker 2: A ninety plus of the time situation though, because it's
Speaker 2: Cooper up. Like again, this is fluid. This is a
Speaker 2: fluid situation based on all the kind of they.
Speaker 3: Care about the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: What's work.
Speaker 5: But what do you think Cooper goes.
Speaker 2: The significance he has been to this franchise. I mean
Speaker 2: he's been, They're one of their franchise players. He's symbolic
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl era as it still exists within
Speaker 2: that build.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this these reports, and it's teams calling them
Speaker 1: and we'll see. But when they get out there this much,
Speaker 1: I tend to think he's probably gone.
Speaker 3: Just having nothing specific and a lot of teams.
Speaker 2: If it gets out there to this point and it's
Speaker 2: out there out there like that means that a lot
Speaker 2: of teams are talking about That's.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so when that happens, history tells me it's
Speaker 1: complicated to keep them. Now, would they play him Thursday
Speaker 1: night to show that he's healthy? Two teams need to
Speaker 1: see him healthy. Would he sit more because you know
Speaker 1: that you're trying to make sure he doesn't get hurt
Speaker 1: before he gets drected? Like, who knows, that's all very complicated.
Speaker 1: Let's actually take a look. Let's take a step back
Speaker 1: for a second. Uh, let's just talk about who we
Speaker 1: think are the potential sellers. And this would double as
Speaker 1: a rough draft of the what are we calling the
Speaker 1: misery misery rankings or despair Despair just teams that are
Speaker 1: indispair enough the smile and it's basically just the reverse
Speaker 1: order of the standings. That's all you really need to know.
Speaker 1: But it's the Panthers. The Patriots would certainly be looking
Speaker 1: for draft picks. Man. That Matthew Judain trade looks amazing
Speaker 1: by right now, By the way, Matthew Judens really does
Speaker 1: not doing anything.
Speaker 3: For the Falcons by far. The worst year of his career.
Speaker 1: The Browns certainly that the Titans, the Jaguars, the Giants
Speaker 1: are in a tricky spot because Joe Shane and Brian
Speaker 1: Dabele don't have a lot of job security, so that
Speaker 1: one's a maybe.
Speaker 3: The Raiders, the.
Speaker 1: Saints, Saints could go either way because the Saints are
Speaker 1: the Saints, they're crazy. The Rams I think could go
Speaker 1: either way because the Rams are crazy like the Bubble.
Speaker 1: I actually think the Saints, and they weren't the team
Speaker 1: because I said trades we want to see. I think
Speaker 1: the Saints are one of the most likely teams to
Speaker 1: trade for Cooper Cup because that's the type of move
Speaker 1: that they would do, even though it doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: to us on the out side. I think they were
Speaker 1: in the mix for the DeVante Adams. I think they
Speaker 1: want weapons. I don't think they're giving up whether we
Speaker 1: think they should or not. Let's move on to other trades.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Chiefs. Let's talk a little like who
Speaker 1: the Chiefs? So you have Chiefs trading for Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: or just stay at wide receiver.
Speaker 2: You meet a receiver. That's what I'm saying specificly because
Speaker 2: we were talking about Cooper Cup. You know, he seems
Speaker 2: like that would be a fit or at least someone
Speaker 2: they'd look into. But they also would probably look into
Speaker 2: like like a Mike Williams, although different position, kind of
Speaker 2: different type of player. You know, what do we think
Speaker 2: about you know, Deontay Johnson gets open?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Johnson seems like an awesome pickup for me.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has like the best reputation, maybe
Speaker 1: as like an easy guy to manage. That's that happens
Speaker 1: the chief don't work with wide receivers.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs don't.
Speaker 4: I actually also, once out of Carolina, he's looked better
Speaker 4: with Andy Dalton.
Speaker 5: And I mean.
Speaker 4: He's a pending free agent, so it doesn't make sense
Speaker 4: for the Carolina Panthers hold on to them if they're
Speaker 4: not going anywhere.
Speaker 5: Why don't he get something for him in return?
Speaker 1: It depends what they think of him, Like you could
Speaker 1: franchise tag him and try to sign them long term.
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin got sick of him, and yet I could
Speaker 1: almost see the Steelers trading back for him, like on
Speaker 1: a discount.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Deontae Johnson to me is the guy that I'd want
Speaker 1: the most out of all these guys because he's younger,
Speaker 1: and he gets open and you just feel like you
Speaker 1: maybe have a little bit of a longer runway and
Speaker 1: maybe you're not paying that much because it's a short
Speaker 1: term contract.
Speaker 2: Some what I do have it in my notes, could
Speaker 2: the Steelers bring him back because they are looking it
Speaker 2: seems like to add a receiver. It feels like that
Speaker 2: it seems like they would be someone who would be
Speaker 2: making calls on a bunch of these different guys, inclusive
Speaker 2: to Mike Williams. And I don't think you know, we've
Speaker 2: seen them pivot in different ways that maybe didn't make
Speaker 2: sense to us at the beginning of the decision and
Speaker 2: now make a little bit more sense to us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so that Deonce Johnson bring you, I don't see
Speaker 2: why unless there's something we don't know where. It's like
Speaker 2: you crossed the line and there's a point of no
Speaker 2: return eternally. But I just I just don't know that
Speaker 2: there was one. But I do think that looking into
Speaker 2: Mike Williams is a possibility. And they especially when they
Speaker 2: get a taste of like throwing the ball around the
Speaker 2: yard like they did this last weekend, I think they'll
Speaker 2: push even harder to try to bring someone in their bild.
Speaker 5: What about Mike Williams back to the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that regime. Yeah, regime.
Speaker 4: I love that they kind of need a guy that
Speaker 4: can get separation though.
Speaker 5: So I don't know how.
Speaker 1: That's why I had on my list with potential trades.
Speaker 1: I had Chargers trade for Deontay Johnson because like, give
Speaker 1: me a guy that gets open and I on one hand,
Speaker 1: you could say he's similar ish to Lad McConkey, but
Speaker 1: two of those guys, it's.
Speaker 2: Open catches the ball right and Herbert had a crapload
Speaker 2: of drops this last week.
Speaker 4: By his receiver and McConkie's been good that Jalen Rager won.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Herbert played the best game of the season
Speaker 1: that will get lost to history. I don't know who
Speaker 1: watched that game it was, you know, it's on ESPN
Speaker 1: Plus and they didn't They literally didn't score a touchdown
Speaker 1: and it was like one of the best games of
Speaker 1: his career.
Speaker 3: It was outrageous.
Speaker 4: I was actually going to send Deontay Johnson to the Niners.
Speaker 4: Okay too, that too because after Brandon Ayuk with the
Speaker 4: ACL and mcl you have Kittle with a foot sprain
Speaker 4: right now, Chris Connelly has an ankle sprain.
Speaker 5: Deebo has pneumonia, is in the hospital.
Speaker 4: McCaffrey maybe he'll be back after the buye that would
Speaker 4: be week ten. So the healthy players they have left
Speaker 4: are Ronnie Bell and then there's two rookies, Ricky Piersoll
Speaker 4: and Jacob Cowing. And then hopefully they'll get Juwan Jennings back.
Speaker 4: But they are smack dab in the middle of their
Speaker 4: Super Bowl windows. So John Lynch has to maximize that.
Speaker 2: I would like that fit Deontay Johnson in San Francis.
Speaker 1: And they've they've shown they're not afraid to make these
Speaker 1: sort of trades. They've done it a number of times.
Speaker 1: Last year they did it with Chase Young. They are
Speaker 1: high on the list of buyers, I believe because they
Speaker 1: don't have the choice of the Rams of like, well, just.
Speaker 3: Have a lot of injuries this year. It's just not
Speaker 3: our year.
Speaker 1: Like they're looking at this NFC West and saying, thank God,
Speaker 1: this is a bad year in the NFC West and
Speaker 1: that they can still recover. I think they could get
Speaker 1: in the mix for someone circling back to the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I just I could just imagine DeAndre Hopkins there, So that's.
Speaker 3: Ah, yes, that's my trade. I could just like to
Speaker 3: see him there.
Speaker 1: And you're right actually with Cooper Cup because he is
Speaker 1: a more one to one fit of maybe what they do,
Speaker 1: although they can use all different types. And if you're
Speaker 1: getting a hundred plus yards out of Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: that's the role Cooper Cup would be in. Like, sorry, Juju,
Speaker 1: you're out. You know he's out with a hamstring injury
Speaker 1: right now. Anyways, But I'm going DeAndre Hopkins because that's
Speaker 1: a guy.
Speaker 3: It's not really about the separation.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes doesn't need a guy that can necessarily separate,
Speaker 1: but he does need a guy to go to on
Speaker 1: third and nine or to go to to make a
Speaker 1: tough contested catch deep down the field.
Speaker 3: They don't really have that guy.
Speaker 1: When when Tom Brady is doing the game and he's
Speaker 1: really talking up Jay Watt and it's like everyone loves
Speaker 1: Justin Watson and I'm I'm sure he's a good guy
Speaker 1: and he does every you know, but he's a role
Speaker 1: player and when he's in that like X receiver role,
Speaker 1: that's not a good situation.
Speaker 3: Go get him nuke. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And Hopkins, I mean he's in the final year of
Speaker 4: his deal right now, and I think he still has
Speaker 4: a lot more left than what we are seeing because
Speaker 4: he was hampered by the injuries and the quarterback situation.
Speaker 2: The will love us of it all that will love
Speaker 2: us of yeah, bless his heart.
Speaker 1: Did we did we talk Steelers at all? In these
Speaker 1: wide receivers. They're a tough team.
Speaker 2: We did a little bit a figure, yeah, because they
Speaker 2: got to taste and they do anything, but they got
Speaker 2: to taste again of what it actually looks like and
Speaker 2: feels like to be throwing the ball all around the yard.
Speaker 2: And so I do think.
Speaker 5: That nice to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are we already having regrets about our justin
Speaker 1: fields at State?
Speaker 5: No, I was different.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't regret that. All I'm saying is I think
Speaker 2: that that seeing proof of concept prompts them to want
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more aggressive pursuing particularly this
Speaker 2: this and there are guys, all the ones we've mentioned,
Speaker 2: each in each in a vacuum in their own way,
Speaker 2: would kind of fit that offense and fit what Arthur
Speaker 2: Smith likes to do or what or what Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: likes to do. And Michael Williams maybe yeah, making maybe
Speaker 2: bringing someone like that in blends the two together art
Speaker 2: Smith and Russell and mediator in between.
Speaker 4: Okay, while we're on wide, receivers were thrown in there.
Speaker 5: Niners.
Speaker 4: I know we've talked about the Niners, but Kendrick Bourne
Speaker 4: was signed there as an undrafted free agent originally, and
Speaker 4: they watched him grow and develop, so he already has
Speaker 4: some type of familiarity with the playbook and all of
Speaker 4: the rumors that swirled that San Francisco wanted Born in
Speaker 4: a package for Ayuk earlier this year, So maybe that's
Speaker 4: something that they are still kind of exploring at this point.
Speaker 5: But why would you keep him in New England?
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I know that he just signed this
Speaker 4: three year extension and he's a good player for them,
Speaker 4: but you could have Drake May working with these younger
Speaker 4: receivers who he already has a connection with, like the
Speaker 4: de Mario Douglas and Jalen Polk. So I kind of
Speaker 4: like moving Kendrick Bourne for them right now.
Speaker 3: I could see that.
Speaker 2: I just think it's I could see him in Tampa sneakily.
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are just going to try to
Speaker 1: get picks. Like I said that Judon trade looks pretty
Speaker 1: good now is like a hard three for a guy
Speaker 1: who's maybe closer to the end. And I think Elliot
Speaker 1: Wolf now running their front office, they're going to be
Speaker 1: looking for picks in general.
Speaker 2: And if they are yes, looking for picks in general,
Speaker 2: something I like to see. And I was texting you
Speaker 2: a little bit about this last night, Greg josh Ucha.
Speaker 2: I know he turned down the fifteen million dollar rumored
Speaker 2: contract with the eleven million guaranteed from an unnamed team,
Speaker 2: and he said he wanted to be a part of
Speaker 2: the Patriots, and he said he wanted to help a
Speaker 2: young team grow and develop. But it is not good
Speaker 2: vibes there right now, doesn't So.
Speaker 3: I wonder how he's feeling about that, right And.
Speaker 2: It's clear too that he really thrives with a rushing partner. Okay,
Speaker 2: so follow the thread with me, Stick with me, bear
Speaker 2: with me. I know I'm rambly. I'd love the Lions
Speaker 2: to trade for him, Okay. I would love the Lions
Speaker 2: to trade for him, not just to help them out
Speaker 2: in the short term without Aiden Hutchinson, but even before
Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson got hurt, they needed a rushing partner for him.
Speaker 2: On the other side. And so for me, if I'm
Speaker 2: looking at this, you know what, do we patch together
Speaker 2: here while Aiden is out? But if there's a combination
Speaker 2: move that would suit them in the short term and
Speaker 2: the long term, I think that josh u Ja could
Speaker 2: be that person. And when he had a partner before
Speaker 2: the Judon trade, when he had a partner, he was
Speaker 2: getting a twenty one point one percent pressure rate in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two his best and it was it was
Speaker 2: very clear how well he flowed intent. It hasn't looked
Speaker 2: like that this this year, and so I do want
Speaker 2: to see that happen. And the Lions they need help
Speaker 2: regardless they have to be in the OLB pass rusher market.
Speaker 4: I mean, well they needed it before Aiden Hutchinson went down.
Speaker 4: With Marcus Davenport's absence as well, I kind of like
Speaker 4: a Zadarius Smith to see that, actually Sadarius Smith to
Speaker 4: somewhere in the NFC North again, because I also would
Speaker 4: love a reunion with the Packers. And it's not like
Speaker 4: that is a need a pressing need for them, but
Speaker 4: you could never have too many pass rushers. They have
Speaker 4: a great rotation now and like why not the Browns
Speaker 4: should and could be sellers. They already shipped off a market.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and then they lost this recent game and
Speaker 4: they lost their starting quarterback, and why not?
Speaker 3: I like that. I think it's less likely with the Packers.
Speaker 1: There was maybe some hard feelings there with his like
Speaker 1: how they termed his injuries and payments and like he
Speaker 1: went out ugly. But sometimes they make up, like you know,
Speaker 1: but they were. It was not a happy divorce there,
Speaker 1: he was not. I think how they treated his back injury.
Speaker 1: If I remember right, I hear you go to the Lion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lions is perfect. I hear you on josh Ucca. But
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with a bigger ticket item. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're going for the super Bowl here. We got to
Speaker 1: get there just to get Aiden Hutchiton back on the field.
Speaker 1: Uh no, Max Crosby, I have been told I would love.
Speaker 2: To see him in Detroit.
Speaker 4: I imagine Michigan man going back to Michigan.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good call. I think is from Michigan
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: So there you go. People love to do that. It's
Speaker 1: always like just pick the local guy. But it does
Speaker 1: happen that way more than you would expect.
Speaker 5: I think it happens a lot more with Michigan and
Speaker 5: with Georgia.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there's just a lot of football players from
Speaker 1: from Georgia, especially all right, let's go. No, I've I
Speaker 1: dug around a little bit about Max Crosby and just
Speaker 1: people just say that this is not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Mark Davis.
Speaker 1: Losing Mark Davis just it's up to him ultimately, and
Speaker 1: I don't think he I think he knows what that
Speaker 1: would mean for his fan base.
Speaker 3: And end of it.
Speaker 2: He is a quintessential raider. He also was the person
Speaker 2: who lobby to make sure that Antonio Pierce was the guy.
Speaker 2: You can't just disappear after that. You got to see
Speaker 2: through what you've openly committed to. And that's even before.
Speaker 2: I don't even think that's I would love to see
Speaker 2: him in Detroit. I don't even think that's a thought
Speaker 2: in his mind or the franchises now. No, I would
Speaker 2: love to see it.
Speaker 4: He's the voice that everyone listens to. It's almost like
Speaker 4: he is a head coach in a way.
Speaker 1: He is like to put him on the side of
Speaker 1: the helmet, just make it a picture of Mac.
Speaker 2: I'd be sick, you know, with the IPAP sick.
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to make a fun narrative trade, which
Speaker 1: is that the Lions trade for Trayvon Walker from the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: who for a conditional third round pick, can become a
Speaker 1: second if he hits some very hard conditions. Trayvon Walker
Speaker 1: has gotten a little bit better every year, yes, and
Speaker 1: I think it's actually taken a bigger step this year
Speaker 1: than people have noticed. He's now a good enough pass rusher,
Speaker 1: not a difference maker, but a strong guy, physical, will
Speaker 1: set the edge good and run support and seems like
Speaker 1: the type of guys that the Lions like. They have
Speaker 1: a beefy, you know, front, they like guys they want
Speaker 1: to be able to stop the run. And you know
Speaker 1: he's maybe not a bend the edge type of guy,
Speaker 1: and you do it's almost hard to imagine thinking back
Speaker 1: to that draft that Trent Balki.
Speaker 3: Would, you know, God trade him.
Speaker 1: To the team that got Aiden Hutcheson the much better choice.
Speaker 1: But I do like the idea of those two guys
Speaker 1: just being on the same team. So for fun, I'm
Speaker 1: just throwing that one out there. It's trade's we want
Speaker 1: to see, and that would that would be a fun one.
Speaker 1: That's the defensive player I'm giving to the Lions.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate that. I mean, I like that. I
Speaker 2: just think I just don't think it will happen. I
Speaker 2: like that you like it, and I would love to
Speaker 2: see it as well, because again, his physical skill set
Speaker 2: does fit what they like for that line. And this
Speaker 2: is again kind of like what I said with Och,
Speaker 2: like this is a short term, long term just in
Speaker 2: my opinion, Yes, they need a guy who they can
Speaker 2: patch in in the short term. But if I'm if
Speaker 2: I'm Brad Holmes, and I'm thinking about how he might
Speaker 2: be thinking right now, he's trying to find if there's
Speaker 2: a sweet spot, if there is a guy who they
Speaker 2: can bring in, and and and frankly, maybe less worried
Speaker 2: about the capital needed to acquire someone of a higher tier.
Speaker 2: Understanding that, okay, then maybe you extend someone and then
Speaker 2: you know you're you're pairing him with Aiden Hutcheson, who
Speaker 2: is an uncertain physical return from the from the injury, Like.
Speaker 3: You can't expect him to be back this year.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, of course not. But I'm saying in
Speaker 2: terms of caliber, like I have no doubt he's going
Speaker 2: to still be a great player, but you just don't know,
Speaker 2: So you have to have, at least to me, a
Speaker 2: high caliber person who you could potentially pair them with.
Speaker 2: I want to know what you guys think. Do you
Speaker 2: guys think that like Aziz Ojulari.
Speaker 3: Could be that's another one. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: I like that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Cayvon Thibodau's coming back soon from the injury.
Speaker 3: He's played well this year.
Speaker 1: At moments in his career he's looked like a really
Speaker 1: good pass rusher, and then at other moments they just
Speaker 1: like bench him and he's their fourth or fifth pass rusher.
Speaker 1: But he was on the list of players that were
Speaker 1: just like floating out there as available from Ian Rapport.
Speaker 3: Rap Aport I always just say that name. I just
Speaker 3: it's hard to say rap Aport Rapport Rapport.
Speaker 1: He put Preston Smith out there as another guy who
Speaker 1: could be available. I was like, Oh, that's a weird one.
Speaker 2: You know, subtly, if they are looking for just a
Speaker 2: one year patch of someone who is very physical once
Speaker 2: he gets back from the injury, are we talking about
Speaker 2: maybe Jadavian Clowney that possible sellers. But that to me,
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be like a short term, long term thing
Speaker 2: that could be And so I think if I'm remembering
Speaker 2: an iconic moment correctly on the opposite side of an
Speaker 2: iconic Michigan play, Jadevian Clowney, that's right. I don't know
Speaker 2: the helmet popping off and what was that? That was him? Right?
Speaker 3: That was But was that was Michigan.
Speaker 2: Involved in that? On the other side, I think, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea it was Michigan. So we're idiots.
Speaker 1: I'm not a college guy. I mean, I remember the play,
Speaker 1: but I.
Speaker 2: Just figure, I just remember the iconic scene of that
Speaker 2: helmet rolling, and we can cut this.
Speaker 3: If it's not right, it's fine, it is right. It
Speaker 3: is right. Uh.
Speaker 1: I had Ojelari going. I was thinking, who needs a
Speaker 1: pass rush team? Like the forty nine ers. They're a
Speaker 1: team I could see picking up like a relatively low
Speaker 1: cost pass rusher. They could trade for Chase Young again,
Speaker 1: that would be funny. Yeah, I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would do that. The Falcons, even though.
Speaker 4: Falcons forever need a pass rush guy always, like, no
Speaker 4: matter what they do, they still need help.
Speaker 3: So they're another team. I thought about.
Speaker 1: Harold Landry is another pass rusher I think that I
Speaker 1: haven't seen out there and he's on a team that's
Speaker 1: really sinking in terms of the Tennessee Titans. He's better
Speaker 1: than it. I think he was when he first came
Speaker 1: back from his reconstructive surgery. And so the Falcons are
Speaker 1: a team I could maybe see being in on these
Speaker 1: edg rusher guys. Maybe the ear Eagles, even though they've
Speaker 1: put a lot of resources into Edges, they kind of
Speaker 1: never get tired of putting more resources into.
Speaker 5: How he loves to do splashy things.
Speaker 1: So all right, maybe let's take a quick break. We're
Speaker 1: gonna come back. We're gonna wrap up talking about all
Speaker 1: the potential trades that we want to see on this
Speaker 1: trade deadline preview spectacular, and we'll talk a little TNF
Speaker 1: Kanza back on NFL Daily, coming up with some trades
Speaker 1: we'd like to see. Yeah, And if I was, I
Speaker 1: was coming up.
Speaker 3: With the rankings of like what teams are most likely
Speaker 3: to make up move like to break someone in.
Speaker 1: Who would be Lions number one, yep, forty nine, Ers
Speaker 1: I think would be high up there.
Speaker 2: Steelers.
Speaker 3: Steelers never do it though, So.
Speaker 4: That's why it's like always the bridesmaid.
Speaker 2: I think three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna put the Ravens on my list, just
Speaker 1: because they know that this is their year and they
Speaker 1: think they want to make sure they're doing everything they
Speaker 1: possibly can. The Bucks I'm going to present the Bucks
Speaker 1: would be up there in the top five. I'm going
Speaker 1: to present to you a fun one. I really like
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 5: Okay, it better be good.
Speaker 3: The Ravens trade for Saints.
Speaker 1: Cornerback Marshaan Lattimore, one of the best cornerbacks in the
Speaker 1: league when healthy and playing very well when he's been
Speaker 1: on the field this year been a rocky relationship. I
Speaker 1: would say between marsha and Lattimore and the Saints, maybe
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, just like you know, is
Speaker 1: he's maybe been on the trade block, who knows. I
Speaker 1: think he is just a perfect fit for the types
Speaker 1: of players that Baltimore likes. And when I look at
Speaker 1: this team, I don't think they have enough cornerbacks. I
Speaker 1: don't think their secondary has played very well this year.
Speaker 1: You saw they're coming together a little bit. But you
Speaker 1: look at Marlin Humphrey just had a knee injury. He's
Speaker 1: been banged up quite a bit over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, but he's usually more in the slot. Nate Wiggans,
Speaker 1: their first round pick, has been hurt, sometimes not played great.
Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens gets picked on. Marcus Williams, a former teammate
Speaker 1: of marsha On Lattimore, has been struggling at safety. I
Speaker 1: look at this roster and I think this is the
Speaker 1: best team in the NFL. The one spot where I
Speaker 1: think they could really use improving people throw out wide receivers,
Speaker 1: and if they got Hopkins like that wouldn't shock me.
Speaker 1: But their offense is so good and I think they
Speaker 1: love shod Bateman that they might not really feel like
Speaker 1: they need a receiver. Get me Marshawn Lattimore for a
Speaker 1: premium pick. I actually think he could get a second, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's kind of like that. He's not Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: when Jalen Ramsey got traded to the Dolphins. But he's
Speaker 1: still got a few good years left in his prime,
Speaker 1: and he's a premier cornerback when he's on the field.
Speaker 2: And I think, if I'm remembering correctly, I might be misremembered,
Speaker 2: but I think that was a third even Ramsey. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you certainly the comp.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's a third that's a conditional second. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just a flat third. This would take the Saints
Speaker 1: actually admitting to themselves that they're not contending, but maybe
Speaker 1: one more loss or two more losses will help them
Speaker 1: get a.
Speaker 4: Lotimore could also go to Green Bay. I could see
Speaker 4: that happening.
Speaker 3: That would be good. Oh him and JayR Alexander.
Speaker 2: Yeahs defense is coming alive over there. But I like
Speaker 2: what you're saying because, and I think this applies to
Speaker 2: the Packers too, because good teams who know they are
Speaker 2: at this point of the year where they're arcing from
Speaker 2: playoff probability, like they're probably a playoff team, but they
Speaker 2: start arcing toward legitimate contention, into that final tier, into
Speaker 2: that last window, and sometimes you need a player to
Speaker 2: break through into that last window and stay there. And
Speaker 2: I think when really, really really good teams understand we
Speaker 2: are really really good, we can't know if next year,
Speaker 2: the year after, this whole thing could fall apart for
Speaker 2: a variety of reasons, injuries, whatever. You have to push
Speaker 2: and you have to take these swings at this time.
Speaker 2: We saw this a couple of years ago, adding superstars
Speaker 2: to a roster already loaded with superstars, and that is
Speaker 2: what gets you through the final levels of contention.
Speaker 3: Now at what team are you talking about?
Speaker 2: The Rams? But the Rams also were far less of
Speaker 2: a complete team than the Ravens. I just think the
Speaker 2: Ravens have an opportunity to become an arguable, inarguable Super
Speaker 2: Bowl team intrinsically ready for that moment because they keep
Speaker 2: adding at the adding just here and there, bits and
Speaker 2: pieces things you don't necessarily is not like the most
Speaker 2: significantly glaring need on a team that is so good. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is on a team of really good players. It
Speaker 2: isn't still a need, but this team would probably be
Speaker 2: fine and make a deep push without it. This is
Speaker 2: not a team interested in just making a deep push.
Speaker 3: This is the year.
Speaker 1: How many year are they going to have where Derreck
Speaker 1: Henry is? This is great, Maybe it'll be a couple,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you can assume it and
Speaker 1: that you're getting this level of play from Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: I love me a little Marshall on Letimore. I'm going
Speaker 3: to throw out another one.
Speaker 1: I guess okay, the Dolphins trade for Bryce Young like
Speaker 1: that one?
Speaker 2: I like that one.
Speaker 3: What do you think you would cost?
Speaker 1: I'm going to go a conditional fifth really like that
Speaker 1: moves to a fourth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think there's going to
Speaker 3: be much of a mark.
Speaker 5: You think Carolina would do that.
Speaker 2: I think that there actually will be behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Maybe we won't see or catch wind of it publicly,
Speaker 2: but I think behind the scenes we've talked about it.
Speaker 2: I know I sound like I'm joking, I'm not. There
Speaker 2: are a lot of teams in this league with offensive
Speaker 2: minded head coaches and smart, bright, ascending coordinators who want
Speaker 2: the reputation of the quarterback whisper who say I can
Speaker 2: fix him.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's a conditional third, Like it's a fourth
Speaker 1: that moves to a third if he's satisfied.
Speaker 2: I think that requirement that sounds like the sweet spot
Speaker 2: for me with Bryce Young, and I can remember Mike
Speaker 2: McDaniel a couple years ago, is that this was last
Speaker 2: year talking in such glowing tones about Bryce Young ahead
Speaker 2: of this matchup, where he basically said all the same
Speaker 2: things about Bryce Young that he wants said about Toua.
Speaker 2: It's almost like if you could parse put those two interviews,
Speaker 2: it or different words that Mike McDaniel uses about both
Speaker 2: timing thrower accurate, gets the ball to playmakers in space,
Speaker 2: understands the way that things have to disperse, understands how
Speaker 2: certain motions that Carolina has never been has not run well,
Speaker 2: the timing and the cadences that those require a point guard.
Speaker 2: Those types of things that he used to describe Tua
Speaker 2: Tagovailoa a peer passer, like also, that's the Bryce Young, that's.
Speaker 1: The route for Bryce Young to have a career. They've
Speaker 1: shown that they need a backup quarterback, that Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: has failed the organization really with their plan for backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: and it might sink this season. And yes, they have
Speaker 1: to not feel as comfortable about Tua sure as they
Speaker 1: did come into the season.
Speaker 4: I'm going to need from you a list of offensive
Speaker 4: coordinators that are in the quarterback whisperer competition. I think
Speaker 4: that that segment ie very interesting.
Speaker 2: Quarterback whisper Island, Yes exactly. I'm gonna throw us down
Speaker 2: the river from quarterback.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys need to upgrade their skill position players, and
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're ready to admit that they
Speaker 4: are kind of not as good as they thought they were,
Speaker 4: or maybe they think they are. I thought maybe if
Speaker 4: the Cardinals lost last night and fell to two and five,
Speaker 4: that James Connor could be an option for them to
Speaker 4: trade to Dallas, but that obviously didn't happen. What about
Speaker 4: Travis etn After?
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: I love that Bigsby is able to do and I
Speaker 4: mean that offense flowed pretty well without Travis in there,
Speaker 4: so why not.
Speaker 3: I love that one.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if they were gonna like try to
Speaker 1: win this season. There's like a weird vibe to this
Speaker 1: Cowboys team that's almost like Jerry Jones is like, hey,
Speaker 1: you said you were a good coach. Mike McCarthy, just
Speaker 1: like prove it to me. I'm not gonna like help
Speaker 1: to upgrade your team at all, and if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: then it's your last year. So are they gonna try
Speaker 1: to upgrade this team that hasn't looked great? Maybe if
Speaker 1: they win Sunday night that's a big game with the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, or maybe not. Jerry Jones had a
Speaker 1: crazy quote today that I get to I want to
Speaker 1: get to. He he did the radio station, the same one,
Speaker 1: the same group. He came back because they do it
Speaker 1: every week. He said that they were very lucky that
Speaker 1: he and Steven Jones and Mike McCarthy comes on there,
Speaker 1: and that he was surprised that that people made such
Speaker 1: a big deal about it. He thought emotions are good,
Speaker 1: and you didn't think it was that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: I was emotional, like you can be emotional.
Speaker 2: Emotions plus power, Jerry is where the issue comes.
Speaker 1: But he literally said in this interview that Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: was designing bad plays and bad concepts on offense.
Speaker 3: He just sort of like slit it in.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, like, like you know, McCarthy's not
Speaker 1: designing bad plays in concepts right now.
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, oh god bye.
Speaker 4: Then who's sees Warmer McCarthy or Dennis Allen?
Speaker 1: I think Dennis Allen just because he'd be more likely
Speaker 1: to lose his job mid season, but maybe not.
Speaker 2: Dennis Alleno blamed Clint Kubiak for calling a time out
Speaker 2: when coordinators are not allowed to call it. I love
Speaker 2: that so much, that same Dennis, are we talking about
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: Also, just like like leadership, bro, now you could go
Speaker 1: too far, Like Nick Sirianni now makes up that he's
Speaker 1: at fault for it. He's just like he's like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: I was the one that like had the wrong order
Speaker 1: of the player introductions on Sunday and like Nick Siriot
Speaker 1: is like, it's all my fault, like dump on me.
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like a like a king thing or
Speaker 1: something like that. It's like, we know you didn't call
Speaker 1: that defensive play, Nick, Like why are you trying to
Speaker 1: take despair? Yeah, Dennis Allen is the flip side, just
Speaker 1: like leadership.
Speaker 3: No, it was his fault. It was he was embarrassed,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: Unless you guys have any hot ones, uh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Dalvin tom just just some like lower tier ones. Dalvin
Speaker 1: Tomlinson is one of the guys actually do think will
Speaker 1: get traded who will help a team kind of a
Speaker 1: run stuffer, can push the pocket a little bit. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that could use defensive tackles, the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the Bills, he could go back to the Vikings. I
Speaker 1: listened to this show Purple Daily, and they were thrown
Speaker 1: out this like give up two first round picks for
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Giants would give up.
Speaker 5: He's like one of the best right now.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: Well you never know. I mean, if someone was willing.
Speaker 5: To go, he's one of the best right now in
Speaker 5: the entire league.
Speaker 2: On a bad team still to me in Defensive Player
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 5: Year, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: This was like the player I found, like the most
Speaker 1: rosters you would put on the Seahawks would make sense,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of teams could use kind of a
Speaker 1: good player.
Speaker 3: Run Stuffer. Yeah, he's a good player.
Speaker 1: But also there aren't many defensive tackle types and he
Speaker 1: I think would totally be able the way.
Speaker 5: That he can move at the size Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I went back to Tomson. Yes, you're right about Lawrence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's Defensive Player of the Year right now. Chris Jones
Speaker 1: would be in the mix.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Patzertain was up there when Brian Branch is making.
Speaker 3: A case got hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's by the way, I texted you this. But
Speaker 2: just for the record for the audience, you know, we're
Speaker 2: adding Brian Branch to the cluster of safeties on the
Speaker 2: guys who rule.
Speaker 1: Okay, he rules, that's he rules. He most clearly rules.
Speaker 1: There was that weird report that from ESPN that teams
Speaker 1: were calling about Garrett Wilson, that that set up few
Speaker 1: alarms that like, why opening that out there?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If they lost a couple of games, could Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: potentially be Tyreek Hill if they lost a couple of games.
Speaker 3: Things are getting a little weird there.
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara, Deontay Banks might not have a lot of
Speaker 1: fans right now with the Giants, there's a bunch of Patriots.
Speaker 1: Dietrich Wise, Jonathan Jones, Darius Slayton. I think it get traded.
Speaker 1: We were talking about the Chargers. He would make a
Speaker 1: little sense to me. On the Chargers. Those are those
Speaker 1: are some names. The trade deadline. They moved it back
Speaker 1: a week, so we get a couple more weeks of conversation.
Speaker 1: We're not not gonna do this each week. I thought
Speaker 1: this was a good time to just kind of set
Speaker 1: the table, all right.
Speaker 2: I just feel like teams are still operating on the
Speaker 2: same calendar as before, regardless of the move back a week,
Speaker 2: because all these things are happen, right.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 1: But I do think like if teams are two and seven, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, if the Rams are two and seven, that
Speaker 1: does feel different than right now when they're two and five.
Speaker 1: You know, if if the Jaguars are two and seven,
Speaker 1: maybe the GM who doesn't want to trade his number
Speaker 1: one overall draft pick is literally not even there.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 4: But the teams that are on the bubble, like between
Speaker 4: good maybe good bad, you don't know what they are yet,
Speaker 4: Like those two weeks are crucial.
Speaker 1: One week can feel so big in the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about the Giants two weeks ago. They were coming
Speaker 1: off of a pretty great win in Seattle.
Speaker 3: Think about the Giants, they were coming off a great
Speaker 3: win in Seattle. Daniel Zones looks good.
Speaker 1: It's like here, this team's maybe pretty good for a
Speaker 1: two and three or whatever team, and it's like, now
Speaker 1: their season's over.
Speaker 3: They stink. They go to Drew Lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, all right, it's the time of
Speaker 1: the show for our TNF preview presented by Amazon Prime Video.
Speaker 1: But we've talked a lot of rams already on this show,
Speaker 1: so let's talk a little Vikings Colleen. Okay, what strikes
Speaker 1: your fancy about this game?
Speaker 4: I don't love the Vikings traveling to la on a
Speaker 4: short week after an emotional loss.
Speaker 2: And a physical one, a very.
Speaker 5: Physical one the Lions.
Speaker 4: That was the best team that the Vikings have faced
Speaker 4: all season long. Division game came down to the very end.
Speaker 4: I just kind of think a hangover might be lingering
Speaker 4: around on the short week. Also, the Lions are the
Speaker 4: new Niners because no team has won a game the
Speaker 4: week after playing the Lions. This year, we won the Rams.
Speaker 4: They lost to the Cardinals in week two. Week two
Speaker 4: they lost forty to.
Speaker 5: The Bucks.
Speaker 4: They lost to the Broncos in Week three and it
Speaker 4: was twenty six to seven the Cardinals. They lost to
Speaker 4: the Commanders in Week four forty two to fourteen.
Speaker 3: Whoa the Seahawks.
Speaker 4: They lost to the Giants in Week five twenty nine
Speaker 4: to twenty. Then there was a bye week. So after
Speaker 4: this it gets a little like the Cowboys. They got
Speaker 4: a buy in Week seven, but we'll find out this
Speaker 4: week when they play the Niners. And now week seven
Speaker 4: the Vikings playing the Rams on TNF. So more than
Speaker 4: half of those games the team went on to lose
Speaker 4: and by a lot of points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it outlines how physical it is to play the Lions.
Speaker 2: People talk about this and have since last year, really
Speaker 2: that they're going to really take it to you and
Speaker 2: you're going to be exhausted when you factor in the
Speaker 2: short week. I do think that is an element to this.
Speaker 2: And now there's a pattern and a trend that's starting
Speaker 2: to I love a pattern. This trend and it's a
Speaker 2: great fine by you two calling, because that does highlight
Speaker 2: you know, what it is like to have to recover
Speaker 2: from playing a team like that. And the Vikings, who,
Speaker 2: by the way, have Tyler Williams, who is the former
Speaker 2: RAMS director of Sports Medicine and Sports Science in their
Speaker 2: building now and the Rams got really hurt once he left.
Speaker 2: This is going to be a huge test for him
Speaker 2: and his group because this it's clear how physical these
Speaker 2: that playing the Lions is and what toll it takes
Speaker 2: on you as a team when you have to, especially
Speaker 2: coming off short week and then coming to play another
Speaker 2: game on turf as well.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that theory because you know, my daughter is
Speaker 1: a Rams fan. We're going to this game. It's our
Speaker 1: one game of the year that we will be attending.
Speaker 1: I'll be doing the T andF recap. We're not going
Speaker 1: to do it live on YouTube because I got to
Speaker 1: get home from the game, but I'm going to be
Speaker 1: doing it with JB. Long. Oh Rams great dude, And
Speaker 1: so I'd like it to at least be competitive. I
Speaker 1: don't want to see a blowout, and it certainly could
Speaker 1: be because these teams haven't been even The Rams are
Speaker 1: coming off a pretty disappointing game offensively against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: The defense got it done, but that's a banged up
Speaker 1: Raiders team. You worry about a couple of things. You
Speaker 1: worry about stopping Aaron Jones. I think that's where you
Speaker 1: start with this Vikings team, and where you start with
Speaker 1: this Rams defense. That the linebackers and the gaps, even
Speaker 1: the Raiders were running pretty well against them, I think
Speaker 1: that could be a difficult matchup for the race.
Speaker 2: It's not just Aaron Jones on the ground. Teams have
Speaker 2: been able to run on this Rams front. They're still
Speaker 2: figuring some things out. Kobe Turner's back at nose tackle
Speaker 2: now to try to help shore things up a little bit,
Speaker 2: playing more snaps as well, and Aaron Jones in space
Speaker 2: as a receiver, which the Vikings have sort of trickled
Speaker 2: out a few times over the last few weeks. Also
Speaker 2: is a hillacious matchup for these inside linebackers, and they'll
Speaker 2: potentially be without Troy Reader, who is their green dot player,
Speaker 2: starting an inside linebacker, which will make fans happy if
Speaker 2: that is the case, because fans have been wanting to
Speaker 2: see Omar Spates, who's the undrafted free agent out of
Speaker 2: LSU who really shown in the preseason, and Sean McVay
Speaker 2: keeps saying things like, oh, well, the reason we're not
Speaker 2: playing him yet is because it's different. The defense is
Speaker 2: so different compared to what the preseason alignments were and
Speaker 2: picking that up and learning. But if you're thrown into
Speaker 2: the fire, that's the way that Puka Nakua started succeeding
Speaker 2: when you're thrown into that being said Aaron Jones, against
Speaker 2: these linebackers, whether it is downhill in the run game
Speaker 2: or whether it is in space as a pass catcher,
Speaker 2: that is something that I think will be a significant
Speaker 2: key to this game because Kevin O'Connell is quite familiar
Speaker 2: with those linebackers.
Speaker 4: And Kevin O'Connell said that Aaron Jones wasn't one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: He looked fine. The hamstring We just fine, like it
Speaker 4: was never in question. But that's something to watch. Also,
Speaker 4: you have a couple other injuries. The Vikings could get
Speaker 4: Dalton Reisner back on their offensive line, so he's likely
Speaker 4: to come off the ir this week, and then Blake Cashman,
Speaker 4: their linebacker, probably won't play. Also t J Hockinson, he
Speaker 4: could be activated from the ir this week. If he
Speaker 4: doesn't go on Thursday, then they would really need they
Speaker 4: would need to activate him life.
Speaker 5: I think he's done for.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, I think he's playing in this game, just
Speaker 1: how he sounded, and they didn't maybe want to play
Speaker 1: him twice in five days, so they just so that's
Speaker 1: a big like as if this offense needed another edition,
Speaker 1: especially in this matchup.
Speaker 2: Regardless of the fact that the Lions ended up you know,
Speaker 2: twenty one point surge in the second quarter, ended up
Speaker 2: really exploiting areas of this defense, and even like Stefan
Speaker 2: Gilmore falling down at one point, Minnesota's defense still held
Speaker 2: one of the best offenses in the league scoreless in
Speaker 2: the first quarter. You guys, the Rams have not scored
Speaker 2: a touchdown in the first quarter in one single game
Speaker 2: so far this year. Most of their points are coming
Speaker 2: from Kyen Williams, who on the ground has a consecutive
Speaker 2: rushing touchdown streak going from the start of the season.
Speaker 2: And they are not either. They're moving the ball extremely
Speaker 2: well and getting completely stalled in the red zone at
Speaker 2: almost the highest rate in the NFL. Or they are
Speaker 2: not moving the ball and not even getting to the
Speaker 2: red zone they've had a couple of turnovers. Matthew Stafford
Speaker 2: splits from the start of the season into the last
Speaker 2: two games have really taken a dive, a nose dive.
Speaker 2: And while they did okay relative to you know, past
Speaker 2: weeks against Max Crosby and the Raiders, at the pressure
Speaker 2: and I could see by the way Cooper cup being
Speaker 2: used similar to how Tim Patrick was being used by
Speaker 2: the lines to mitigate pressure. A lot of sweeps and
Speaker 2: blast motion, which is at snap motion to help basically
Speaker 2: block free pressure or free rushers at the snap versus
Speaker 2: showing that you're going to block them before the snap.
Speaker 2: I could see them using him like this because they
Speaker 2: need all the help they can stuff.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 1: That's why Cooper Cuppa gets hurt in the first place,
Speaker 1: is he has such a physical role where he's really
Speaker 1: almost playing tight end and to ask him to do
Speaker 1: that right.
Speaker 4: Off, Yeah, And I want to if the defense can
Speaker 4: booy the offense until these wide receivers come back, because
Speaker 4: all of the twenty points that the Rams scored were
Speaker 4: off of turnovers.
Speaker 1: Well, my whole idea what the vikings was, you know,
Speaker 1: you're only going to beat him with a like a
Speaker 1: real adult quarterback that can understand coach that can understand
Speaker 1: these blitzes. Hey, you got one in Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2: And that's why he went and got him. Let's not
Speaker 2: forget Brian Flores playing against his defense against Jared Goff
Speaker 2: was one of the defining one of a couple defining
Speaker 2: catalysts in Sean McVay making a push for Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2: There is some irony to me that you need a
Speaker 2: in an adult big boy adjusting everything at the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage game from your quarterback the way that Jared
Speaker 2: Goff just played the Minnesota Vikings defense. You need that
Speaker 2: from Matthew Stafford, the tape of which they are watching
Speaker 2: as they prepare for Oh, that's so fun.
Speaker 3: That is great.
Speaker 1: And you need to be able to run the ball
Speaker 1: adam like like the Lions were able to. And the
Speaker 1: Rams have some weird splits where they're actually second in
Speaker 1: the NFL and success rate in terms of their running ability,
Speaker 1: but overall, like not a lot of explosive plays, a
Speaker 1: lot of just four or five yard games and a
Speaker 1: lot of short drives, so not a lot of attempts.
Speaker 1: They would be better if they could play with the
Speaker 1: lead because I think they're better in terms of their
Speaker 1: pass defense than their run defense. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: keep an eye Cutch. Just a couple of people a
Speaker 1: watch in person that I'm looking forward to. First of all,
Speaker 1: you got to check out the Vikings kicker.
Speaker 3: Will Ricard, I mean hasn't missed yet. He is the
Speaker 3: new Brandon Aubrey.
Speaker 1: He's ridiculous, and they're winning the rookie kicker battle here
Speaker 1: with Josh Cardy on the Rams having a pretty gross miss.
Speaker 3: What a heat of battle at the end of the
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: Something I care about. I mean, he might be an
Speaker 1: all pro right now. Wild card is perfect. And I
Speaker 1: had a take in Jared versus not including this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch little jar adverse versus some really good tech
Speaker 1: want to have fun with you. He's a really, really
Speaker 1: good player for the Rams. But I had a take
Speaker 1: or I thought watching this Rams Raiders game was and
Speaker 1: it was the first time in a long time. It's like,
Speaker 1: are the Rams boring? Like the Rams have been a
Speaker 1: lot of things under Sean McVay, but hasn't been one
Speaker 1: of them, never boring, And like they're they're tilting a
Speaker 1: little towards boring.
Speaker 2: I would personally like to be a little more bored.
Speaker 2: Way I hear it, Well, today's not the day.
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about strictly on Sundays on the field. It's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine Matthew Stafford team staying boring for long.
Speaker 5: But right now they're just yeah, you're gonna have a
Speaker 5: great time on Thirs.
Speaker 1: They're just kind of there. No, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: They're just kind of there.
Speaker 3: That Raiders game was was was a snoozer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get you can get Matthew Stafford off
Speaker 2: his spot and frazzled a little bit this season without
Speaker 2: blitzing him. We know Brian Flores loves to blitz. He
Speaker 2: also is just as comfortable rushing only three, rushing four,
Speaker 2: dropping everybody else back in coverage. I noticed it when
Speaker 2: I went back and watched tape of the Detroit Minnesota game.
Speaker 2: He's even like hiding coverage players behind a spying linebacker.
Speaker 2: You don't really know that that. You don't need that
Speaker 2: against Matthew Stafford because he doesn't move, but he's a
Speaker 2: versus the blitz. Matthew Stafford's thirty two for fifty three
Speaker 2: sixty two yards, touchdown interception, and has gotten pressured twenty
Speaker 2: six times. Six of those were sacks, and without the
Speaker 2: blitz he's thrown one hundred for one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: eight one thousand and thirty yards, two touchdowns, three interceptions,
Speaker 2: but forty five pressures and eleven of those were sax
Speaker 2: So obviously when you're blitzing, you're gonna have a higher
Speaker 2: sack percentage. But he's getting pressured a ton without extra
Speaker 2: pressure actually coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why I even send it? So maybe this is
Speaker 1: a game where Brian Flores calls off the dogs a
Speaker 1: little bit and he.
Speaker 2: Has it takes these dbs guard these receivers. This This
Speaker 2: RAMS defensive backs unit has finally started getting some confidence.
Speaker 2: Four takeaways this last game, and they reshuffled some players around.
Speaker 2: Greg Like we've been talking. I've been sending you like
Speaker 2: like a frantic messages.
Speaker 3: You gotta quentin la pop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're going to have to guard such a
Speaker 2: wide assortment of receivers. If you bracket justin Jefferson, you're
Speaker 2: now going to have to count for Jalen Naylor again.
Speaker 2: The linebackers and the safeties at the.
Speaker 1: Field, Aaron Jones, Connie convinced me, though, I got to
Speaker 1: say her opening argument about.
Speaker 3: I love that stat playing after the Lions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then going on the field, I mean, going
Speaker 1: down the road.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit of.
Speaker 3: A letdown game. This is a big game for the Rams.
Speaker 3: Are at home.
Speaker 1: They've actually played other than the Cardinals game, which is
Speaker 1: not the best competition they've played, They've played competition, you know,
Speaker 1: very close this year. So I'm not going to pick
Speaker 1: them to win, but i will pick them to cover.
Speaker 1: Let's just go like a three point win for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven, twenty four. It's a good time for the
Speaker 1: whole family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm picking the Vikings, but I think it's going
Speaker 4: to be it's going to be close.
Speaker 2: I'm picking the Vikings. I think this game is going
Speaker 2: to be weird.
Speaker 1: As okay, And who knows, maybe Cooper Cup's last game
Speaker 1: with the Rams.
Speaker 3: Maybe not.
Speaker 1: Who knows, Maybe you'll be wearing a different uniform in
Speaker 1: forty eight hours by the time I'm at that game.
Speaker 1: That was this week's TNF preview, presented by Prime Video.
Speaker 1: Be sure to watch the Minnesota Vikings take on the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams this Thursday on Prime Video. Thank you
Speaker 1: both for being here. Welcome and thank you everyone for
Speaker 1: watching NFL Daily Play it.
Speaker 3: It's a fun one. We better get some trades.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I had fun. This was a good thought extra.
Speaker 5: I hope some of these actually do come true.
Speaker 1: Okay, when Connie's getting sixteen hours of sleep and the
Speaker 1: Rams are hey, driving Jordan crazy, you know football is back.