1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to It could Happen Here. I'm Garrison Davis, 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: and this is the last episode in my trilogy covering 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: what's been happening this summer in Atlanta to stop Cop City. 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Last episode we covered the end of the Week of Action, 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: the resurgence of nighttime sabotage, and Atlas long Engineering dropping 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: out of the Cop City project. A relatively new, big 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: aspect of the movement that I've really only mentioned peripherally 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: is the Cop City vote referendum. The goal of the 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: referendum is to let the people of Atlanta vote on 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: whether to repeal an ordinance authorizing the land lease of 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty one acres of forest into Cab 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: County that was given to the Atlanta Police Foundation in 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to use the land for the construction 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: of Cop City. In order to get the referendum on 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: an upcoming ballot, the petition had to gather sixty thousand 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: signatures in six days. Every signature must be from an 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: Atlanta resident who was registered to vote in twenty twenty one, 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: and initially those who gathered signatures had to also be 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: Atlanta residents. Sixty thousand signatures in sixty days was a 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: lofty goal, but volunteers around the city were being increasingly 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: mobilized during and after the week of action. For the 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: first few weeks of the referendum, the city stayed mostly quiet, 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: but then on the July fifth APD press conference, Mayor 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Andre Dickens addressed the referendum. 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: Mayor, some of these protesters and posters of the twenty 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: Center have biggun connecting signatures in the hope of having 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: a referendum, putting the November p Mu's your reaction to that? 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: What's your comment on that? 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Will you allow them to do what they're doing right 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: now and possibly have in the referendum? 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely, the referendum process is one that's legally documented. It's 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: in the city code, and anybody can attempt to get 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: the petition going and get the necessary signatures. We asked 34 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: they do so with honesty and truth, collect the signatures 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: from real people, with sharing the truth about what they 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: are looking to do. And so I don't personally believe 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: they're going to be successful. I believe that based on 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: what we know about the citizens of Atlanta, they are 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 4: a supportive of the Atlanta Public Safety Training Center. We 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: know that this is going to be unsuccessful if it's 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 4: done honestly, and so we're making sure that we continue 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 4: to monitor the process. 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: This statement by the Democrat mayor of Atlanta, I don't 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: think has been highlighted enough. The mayor is trying to 45 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: frame a successful referendum as a fraudulent one. Dickens is 46 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: priming propaganda channels and testing the waters for blatant election 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: fraud stile messaging in the future by very clearly insinuating 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: that if you win this, that means you're cheating. 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: The referendum kept popping up like throughout the Week of 50 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: Action without It wasn't tailing up space. 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: It was never never the focus. It was always just 52 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: like on the sidelines. 53 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was everywhere, Like every I think every 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: event the referendum was in some way shape or form. 55 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: You know, they're like the Home Depot rally and people 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: walking by they were talking about the referendum and talking 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: about the Week of Action collecting signatures. 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: It did not feel like it was taking space away 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: from any of the other aspects of the movement I'm trying. 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: I think some people were definitely worried about that, Like 61 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: people worried that the referendum might act as like a 62 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: release out for both the movement and like the people 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: who are like out of the movement and still like 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: looking at cop City being like, how can you get 65 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: involved in this thing? And you see this like very 66 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: like above for electoral strategy of slanning stuff like what 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: if people's efforts just get funneled into that and they 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: missed that on the other much more expensive aspects of 69 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: the movement. One of the few more referendum focused events 70 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: during the Week of Action was a community town hall 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: discussion put on by the Hip Hop Caucus at the 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: gathering Spot on the evening of Friday, June thirtieth. Before 73 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: the panel discussion, myself and Matt from the Atlantic Community 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: Press Collective talked with two members of the Hip Hop 75 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Caucus about the event and their hopes for the referendum. 76 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: This is Brandy Williams, an organizer with the Hip Hop Caccus. 77 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 5: So the Hip Hop Coccus is a national nonpart is 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 5: a nonprofit organization that uses hip hop culture to connect 79 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 5: people to the civic and political process. And essentially we 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 5: do that in four areas. We do that with I 81 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 5: think one hundred percent, Climbate and environmental justice work. We 82 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 5: were founded as a voting and democracy organization out of 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 5: the Voter Die movement, so we still do that work 84 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 5: under our respect my Vote platform. We also have our 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 5: Good Trouble civil and human rights work. It's our multiissue 86 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 5: platform and we look at it as the justice department 87 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 5: for hip hop, so we do it. We work on 88 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 5: everything from police reform to education and healthcare, and then 89 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 5: our justice Paid in Full, which is our economic justice platform, 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 5: So how do we achieve economic justice. We actually started 91 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 5: our activation like on the groundwork in La last week 92 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 5: during be et weekend, so we did a similar event 93 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 5: in La. We're doing this one here and we're planning 94 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 5: to be here in Atlanta and through the referendum and 95 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 5: through the election. 96 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: We also talked with Leonajaha Lone Wolf, an Atlanta resident 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: and national community organizer. Recently she had been working de 98 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: spread awareness across the country about what's been going on 99 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. 100 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 6: Myself, hip Hop Quark is movement for Black Lives Until Freedom, 101 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 6: community movement builders. We all came up with this idea 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 6: to create this photo shoot campaign similar to Voter Die 103 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 6: or in anything you know, with these where you have 104 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 6: a nice shirt or a sticker and you're taking and 105 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 6: just being there in solidarity. So we did it during 106 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 6: La BT Awards weekend last weekend. We had a nice 107 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 6: turnout of folks that came. I was in LA for 108 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 6: the Hollywood Climate Summit. I spoke on the panel with 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 6: Jane Fonda, so there was a lot of people from 110 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 6: Hollywood that came and said, oh my god, that's what's 111 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 6: happening in Georgia. We have to be if we cannot 112 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 6: sign for on the referendum, but we stand with you 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 6: all because what we are also educating people at is 114 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 6: that if Cop City is built, they already having contracts 115 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 6: with police nationally to come here. This will be the 116 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 6: largest police training facility in the United States. I went 117 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 6: to Universal Studios, Hollywood, Universal Studios. Rollercoat says, its huge, 118 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 6: just nice. It's four hundred acres. That's fifty acres. Lest 119 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 6: will be Cop City. And then you know, and I'm like, 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 6: that's an amusement park of nothing but real real gunfire, 121 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 6: real bombs, real real everything. It's not gonna be fake. 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 6: It's not amusement park in that way. But this is 123 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 6: their call of duty in real. 124 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: Life, and it's in the middle of a residential neighborhood. 125 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 6: They're not here to protect and serve. They're here to 126 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 6: shoot to kill. And so police from all across this 127 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 6: nation will be coming here to Georgia for this militarized 128 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 6: police training and that's a problem for me. And the 129 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 6: turnout in California showed that that's a problem for them too. 130 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 6: So we had a lot of people that came for that, 131 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 6: and today we're doing the same thing and we're having 132 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 6: a community town hall discussion because I think there's a 133 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 6: lot of people that don't understand why is cop city 134 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 6: because the mayor. I want to meet the mayor's publicists 135 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 6: because the way that this whole thing has been spinned 136 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 6: on his side that no, it would be great for 137 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 6: the EMT and the firefighters, and they're pushing EMT firefighters 138 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 6: more than the police part, but the police part is 139 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 6: a huge part. I think these type of conversations need 140 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 6: to be talked about, and so that's what this community 141 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 6: town hall is all about as well for those that 142 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 6: are kind of wavering neutral, maybe don't know, maybe they 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 6: know it a lot, you know, because the number one 144 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 6: thing that we've been like, I was on V one 145 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 6: O three yesterday on the radio station, and I also 146 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 6: have been doing a couple of other media and call ins, 147 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 6: and a lot of people don't understand, like they a 148 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 6: lot of people don't understand, like why is this a 149 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 6: bad thing? You know, you can move it somewhere else, 150 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 6: they say. But even if it's moved somewhere else, I'm 151 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 6: still gonna fight against cop city, you know, just because 152 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 6: I have this hits home for me too. Many of 153 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 6: my friends and family have been murdered by the hands 154 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 6: of radical power hungry, gun happy, trigger happy police officers. 155 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 6: And I feel that there is and then also another 156 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 6: thing too, I there is answers, you know, in regards 157 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 6: to we don't need more police, we need resources. They 158 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 6: shut down our hospital, they shut down the shelters. It's 159 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 6: not like they don't know, right, Like we tell them, 160 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 6: we need more jobs, not just any job, good quality jobs. 161 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 6: We need pristine health, not just affordable healthcare. And then 162 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 6: most importantly, it just are unsheltered friends to see that 163 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 6: they put bulldozers. They, this administration, this this city continues. 164 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 4: To ignore. 165 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 6: Ignore the people. We have the hugest the biggest wealth 166 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 6: gap in the nation. They and they call it Wakanda, 167 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 6: the blackest City. But if this is how you treat 168 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 6: us our people, our people need resources. That's where this 169 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 6: sixty seven million dollars should be going. It should not 170 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 6: be going towards a more police. We don't need more 171 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 6: police because when you go to Cobb County, when you 172 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 6: go over to Alpharetta, they don't have a lot of police, 173 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 6: they don't have a lot of Why would they need 174 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 6: a lot of police because they already got the resources. 175 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: On top of the community town hall discussion, there were 176 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: a few other things to do at the event that, 177 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: you know, Jaha talked about. 178 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 6: Stop Cop City photo campaign. One, you come and take 179 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 6: your photo and just showing that you stand in solidarity, 180 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 6: and then most importantly is to get some signatures. 181 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: As well throughout the referendum process. It's been interesting how 182 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: many people, even in Atlanta are just now learning about 183 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: cop City. 184 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: When did you first hear about cop City? 185 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: Honestly earlier this year, And. 186 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 5: Like a lot of the people that I am talking 187 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 5: to now, I was also kind of confused about the issue. 188 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 5: I wasn't really sure why, you know, they were so 189 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 5: opposed until I started learning a little more about what 190 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 5: actually was going to happen. 191 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: At this training facility. 192 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 5: So the idea of building a mini city with the 193 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 5: helicopter landing pad with a shooting range or a firing 194 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 5: range military grade in a community. 195 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 3: So this is not on the outskirts. 196 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 5: This is in a community, and then in a community 197 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 5: of color, and you're bringing police from around the country 198 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 5: in to learn military tactics, tactics that we use in 199 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 5: foreign countries to protect citizens. 200 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: We should not be thinking about our. 201 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: Citizens, our residents, as people who need to be protected 202 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 5: from themselves. 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: If that, if I'm making sense, you know what I mean. 204 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: So it's sort of like enemy combatants in your own. 205 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 5: In your on backyard, but you're training them up in 206 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 5: a black community. So I can only imagine that some 207 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 5: of that many cities is going to spill over into 208 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: the communities. 209 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: Then you're bringing. 210 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 5: Police officers from around the country here, so they're taking 211 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 5: that back. 212 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: The specific community where the Atlanta Police Foundation is trying 213 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: to build a cop city has already been traumatized by 214 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: the violence of the States for hundreds of years. Now. 215 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: This whole area was violently stolen from Muscogee Creek, then 216 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: it became a slave plantation, and then part of it 217 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: was sold to the city of Atlanta, and then it 218 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: became a prison firm. Since then, the land has been 219 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: home to two landfills and three detention facilities. This is 220 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: the history of just this neighborhood for the last few 221 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: hundred years. Now, the carstor of violence inflicted on this land, 222 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: it's attempting to be exported, as police will soon come 223 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: from around the country and even the world to train 224 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: at copp City. 225 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 5: No one wants it in their community, but you're going 226 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 5: to continue to burden this particular community with the same 227 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 5: thing over and over and over again. The people of 228 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 5: that community for generations have experienced all kinds of harm 229 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 5: at the hands of the people that they supposedly are 230 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 5: electing to represent and protect them from these types of. 231 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: Things, and they're actually the ones doing it to them. 232 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 5: You were elected by people to represent them, and they've 233 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 5: told you for two years, we don't want this. 234 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: You are ignoring their voice. 235 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: On the day of the Hip Hopcoccus Panel, an air 236 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: quality alert was issued due to incoming smoke from wildfires 237 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: up north in Atlanta. The AQI reached one hundred and 238 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: fifty the ocean. 239 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 6: These fish, these birds, they're screaming at us right now. 240 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 6: What we are doing to Mother Earth right now is 241 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 6: we are from cutting down the trees, fossil fuels, everything, 242 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,479 Speaker 6: this is, this is, and especially this being the lungs 243 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 6: of Atlanta. Today, I'm wearing my mask because on my 244 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 6: weather advisory it said it said the air quality is 245 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 6: not good today for sensitive people. And that is just 246 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 6: with the trees. And they keep on cutting down these trees. 247 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,239 Speaker 6: I moved here because of the trees. I'm from Arizona, 248 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 6: so I needed trees. That was nothing but desert. But 249 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 6: I moved here because of these trees because I love 250 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 6: the life force that trees give us. Even when we 251 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 6: see a tree, the Earth is talking back to us, saying, 252 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 6: stop doing what you're doing. The dolphins, the orcas, the wells, 253 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 6: they're all migrant. They're like, you're you're the ocean is 254 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 6: hot right now, the so they are. They're yelling at us, 255 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 6: and we're not listening. And and as a native in 256 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 6: my native way, our elders, our chiefs have said that 257 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 6: we plan for seven generations from now. I am a 258 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 6: mother of two sons, and what this administration is doing 259 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 6: and what these corporations are doing, they're not looking at 260 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 6: seven generations from now they're not looking at how this 261 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 6: is gonna affect us on the long run. And and 262 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 6: and I love the fact of everyone that is standing 263 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 6: firm and saying stop cop City, because we see the vision. 264 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 6: We know what this, this Uchi Marca, this mother Earth 265 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 6: is going to look like seven generations from now. And 266 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 6: we're fighting to our death because the fact that we 267 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 6: want to make sure that our children's children's children's children 268 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 6: could still live here and be in a peaceful, safe 269 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 6: place and environment to live. 270 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: Since being elected as the Progressive candidate in twenty twenty one, 271 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: there's been an ever growing animosity towards Mayor Dickens from 272 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: all of his unfulfilled promises. When talking with you Najaha, 273 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: she expressed that she felt disappointed that herself and this 274 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: big block of people helped Andre get elected. And now 275 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Mayor Dickens is fully committed to the cop City project 276 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: and is even having conversations with other black leaders in 277 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: the city to bring them on board and prevent them 278 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: from opposing Cop City. 279 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 6: The mayor is in his position because of the blood, 280 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 6: sweat and tears and arrest and beat ups that we 281 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 6: got during Freedom Summer twenty twenty. He used the social justice, 282 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 6: the civil rights organizations and activists voices to get him 283 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 6: in the position that he used them and say, y'all 284 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 6: help me. I'm gonna be there for you all. And 285 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 6: it's all a slap in the face. So I don't 286 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 6: like hypocrisy. And I see I see hypocrites all throughout 287 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 6: this and on the on this administration side, from the 288 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 6: governor all the way down, even when we try to 289 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 6: help our unsheltered friends. In December, when it was so 290 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 6: cold out here, I went on social media. I raised 291 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 6: five thousand dollars in two hours. I went and went, 292 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 6: Me and my friends went and got them all tents, tents, 293 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 6: sleeping bags, everything. The mayor called my comrade. Mayor Andre 294 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 6: called my comrade and was all like, why are you 295 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 6: saying that they don't have no heating stations? And I 296 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 6: set up a heating station. Not everyone wants to go there, 297 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 6: because so is there? Where is your mental health services? 298 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 6: What's the transitioning team that you should have on the 299 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 6: ground to helped transition them. Don't just open up a 300 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 6: temporary heating shelter. Where's a transition team to go and 301 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 6: talk to the people of saying, hey, let me walk 302 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 6: you in to go get heated. There was none of that. 303 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 6: You're just expecting people to just go in there or 304 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 6: they knew where. 305 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 4: It was at. 306 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 6: So we went to the cab. We went to the cab, 307 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 6: and we also went down to Atlanta. We gave them tents. 308 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 6: The police went down there. The Atlanta Pede went down 309 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 6: there and put holes all in their tents. They slight 310 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 6: They used a knife and put and sliced their tents 311 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 6: open so it wouldn't they couldn't even stay in it. Yes, yes, 312 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 6: while it was still below freezing. This is all under 313 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 6: the administration of Mayor Andre. So no, we can't trust 314 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 6: We can't trust them. 315 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 2: Do you feel betrayed by Andre? 316 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 6: Yes, because I voted for him. I voted for him. 317 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 6: I voted for him because I think I voted for 318 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 6: him like every other person voted for vote for someone. 319 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 6: Is that their care is? They talk an amazing game. 320 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 6: And on top of it, my friends that were close 321 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 6: with him voted for him. My friends in the movement activists, 322 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 6: people that I look up to from as mentorship. They said, man, Andre, 323 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 6: He's gonna have fund a lot of the things that 324 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 6: we're doing. 325 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: Leonajaha spoke about how Mayor Dickens worked to build mutually 326 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: beneficial relationships between the city and non governmental quote unquote 327 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: progressive organizations. So while some NGOs have received money from 328 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: the city, now many of these big quote unquote civil 329 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: rights orgs are scared of jeopardizing potential funding and are 330 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: now currently refusing to speak out against cop City. 331 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. When I talk so the same people that have 332 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 6: spoken to Andre are the same people. I'm like, why 333 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 6: don't you involved, you know, And they're just like, I 334 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 6: think it's gonna be built, and at least I'm at 335 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 6: the table. A lot of them think that way. They 336 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 6: was like, I was there at the beginning fighting. I 337 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 6: had to sit down with the mayor. I believe this 338 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 6: is gonna be built. So since this is gonna be built, 339 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 6: let me figure out at least I'm at the table 340 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 6: in the community and there's community engagement. At least there's 341 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 6: some type of bridging happening. That's their angle. Anyone that 342 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 6: said black Lives Matter was on the front line with 343 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 6: us in twenty twenty, that is that was horrified by 344 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 6: the videos that they saw. This we are at prime time, 345 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 6: this is the epicenter of police terrorism being built. This 346 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 6: is it, this is this is it. This is not 347 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 6: each individual. We're trying to prevent more families, because if 348 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 6: they build this, it's gonna be a lot more families 349 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 6: that's gonna be crying and saying, they killed my baby. 350 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 6: So we're at the epicenter of a cop city and 351 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 6: you are silent. You're silent, but you was there for 352 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 6: the families. You was there posting black lives matter. You 353 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 6: was there saying stop police terrorism. But they're building a 354 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 6: they're building a terrorist headquarters, and you don't have nothing 355 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 6: to say. You're a hypocrite. You're a hypocrite, period, point blank. 356 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: Brandy also talked about the hypocrisy of pushing forward cup 357 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: City after the George Floyd uprising in twenty twenty. 358 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 5: You know, three years ago, just in May, all these 359 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 5: companies were sending out these emails saying that black lives matter. 360 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 5: After George Floyd. They were pouring money into the community 361 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 5: to show their support for black lives. But some of 362 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 5: those same communities Home Depot, Coca Cola, Delta Airlines, waffle House. 363 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 5: You guys are I'm sure sent those emails out, and 364 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: now you're putting money into something that does not respect 365 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 5: black lives. So I think there's just this huge contradiction 366 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 5: in who these companies say they are how they're showing up. 367 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: Part of the growing propaganda battle over cop City is 368 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: an attempt to frame this state of the arched militarized 369 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: police training facility as a quote unquote public safety training center, 370 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: embodying the call for police reform that liberals protested for 371 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Not only does this erase the abolitionist 372 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: corps of the twenty twenty uprising, but it also obfuscates 373 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: the fact that cop City is indeed a direct response 374 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty, not in terms of police reform, but 375 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the neoliberal police state being under 376 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: genuine threat. Corporate America and police have made this pact 377 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: to maintain each other's legitimacy, as one cannot survive without 378 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: the other. Cop City is to ensure that what happened 379 00:21:48,520 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty will never happen again. After the clear 380 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: cutting of around eighty acres to the Wahlani Forest, there's 381 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: been more of a focus on the stop Coop City 382 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: wing of the movement than defend the forest. Sure, there 383 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: are still three hundred acres to defend and eighty acres 384 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: to restore. But as construction is getting more imminent, the 385 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: specific cop city focus has taken center stage in messaging. 386 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 5: When it was initially talked about, it was all about 387 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 5: the environment. 388 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: They're tearing down the. 389 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 5: Forest and as marginalized poor people. If I am hearing that, 390 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: I'm not seeing it as important. I'm trying to figure 391 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 5: out how much pay my rent, how much my kids, 392 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 5: how i'm i pay my bills, how I'm getting to 393 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 5: and from work, and so those things I think made 394 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 5: it difficult to break into the household of people who 395 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 5: really need to be paying attention, and I would dare 396 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 5: to say even the people in the community. I watched 397 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 5: some of the testimony from the city council meeting several 398 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 5: weeks ago. In the the state representative that spoke first 399 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 5: talked about how the church right next door to the 400 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 5: facility didn't even know what was happening next door to them. 401 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 5: So for the city of Atlanta to say, oh, we've 402 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 5: done outreach people in the community, no, that's not true, right, 403 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 5: But part of that is the way that the narrative 404 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 5: has started. 405 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: And I think they were like, Okay, that ain't got 406 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: nothing to do with me. 407 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 5: And then also the fact that the faces that they 408 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 5: saw on TV, it was they're thinking, this is a 409 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 5: white led, white organization, white problem, it's not our problem, 410 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 5: so they haven't engaged. So I think those are all 411 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 5: things that we have to consider that and let people 412 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 5: know this is a diverse problem. 413 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: It impacts everybody. 414 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 5: It's going to impact people of color and poor and 415 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 5: marginalized communities more than anybody else, just because of the 416 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 5: nature of how policing is done in America and so. 417 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: And the and the problems that we still have with that. 418 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 5: So our program is from Red Dogs to cop City, 419 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 5: the Dirty South history of over policing Atlanta. So helping 420 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 5: them understand how this is just new iteration of what's 421 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 5: been happening. So the Red Dog Unit was at some 422 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 5: call it a gang within Atlanta PD for many years. 423 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 5: It was disbanded in twenty eleven, but they were terrorizing 424 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 5: low poor communities of color, and so cop City in 425 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 5: the way that they're thinking about training these officers. 426 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: Would be just a new iteration of that. 427 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: So helping them understand that just because we have come 428 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 5: far with the civil rights, with our civil rights and 429 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 5: I'm not even talking specifically about the sixties movement, but 430 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 5: civil rights for people of color, women, LGBTQIA plus communities. 431 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: Just because we've come far doesn't mean it can't go back. 432 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: Atlanta's Red Dogs inspired the Scorpion Unit in Memphis that 433 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: killed Tyree Nichols this past January, and the current iteration 434 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: of the Red Dogs in Atlanta is the Apex Unit, 435 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: who have been very active in suppressing stop Cop City protests. 436 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to play three brief clips from the panel discussion. 437 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: The first is from Mariah Parker, a local activist and 438 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: former Georgia County commissioner. 439 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: This is a war on the Uprising of twenty twenty. 440 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 7: Okay, this is in the aftermath of the largest uprisings. 441 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 5: In North America. 442 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 7: The Atlanta Police Foundation, who is the main driver and 443 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 7: the main funder and actually the owner of Cross City. 444 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 7: I keep forgetting the fact that this is not actually 445 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 7: going to go bust. The Limp Police Foundation trying to 446 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 7: rehas certain their control over Black communities at a time 447 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 7: when people are starting to understand that communities are made 448 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 7: safe for bi bordable housing and healthcare, child. 449 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: Care and edger. 450 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 7: And where their supremacy in the public safety apparatus has 451 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 7: been challenged, their dominance has been challenged, and so in 452 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 7: response to that uprising, they seized hold of the narrative 453 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 7: that more police training, more diversity in our officers would 454 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 7: be the magic key to heal all the wounds in 455 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 7: our communities and to actually deliver a style of police 456 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 7: thing that serves some people. And so with that they 457 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 7: were able to make arguments that cop city would be 458 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 7: the answer to right allegedly rising crime rates, heal at 459 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 7: these divides, et cetera, et cetera. 460 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, they it's. 461 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 7: Like it's a form of counterinsurgency. The people rose up, 462 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 7: and so this is the police right. 463 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: For that one response to reassert their dominance. 464 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: Next is kJ Henson, an Atlanta local and organizer with 465 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: Black Men Build and Blackmail Initiative Georgia. 466 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 8: We're clear that the police are not our protectors. 467 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 4: Right. 468 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 9: We suffer at the hands of the system on a 469 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 9: daily basis. Right, the system was built upon our backs literally, So. 470 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: We see that we've been discarded, we've been. 471 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 4: Abused by the system. And that's the point. 472 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 8: It's not that we're disengaged because we don't care. We're 473 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 8: disengaged because we do care right. Every election cycle, it's 474 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 8: black voters to the rescue. We're the folks that are 475 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 8: most impacted by the decisions of the same elected officials 476 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 8: that beg us to put them in a position. 477 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 3: We suffer because these people will. 478 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 8: Come to us and beg for votes, for canvassers, for money, and. 479 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 9: They turn around and they sell us out the first 480 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 9: chance they need. 481 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 8: So it's we're dis engaged of a matter of I 482 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 8: can't get what I need from these people that say. 483 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 4: That they're for me. 484 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 8: Right, the very means of the people are at risk. 485 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 8: Cop city threatens are very right to protest. Right, cop 486 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 8: city threat is the right. 487 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 9: For us to stand in the street and use our 488 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 9: voice as a means of building collective. 489 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 8: Power, as a vehicle for making societal change. You can 490 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 8: come a domestic terrorist, you get jail, without bed, without bond, 491 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 8: you won't have a courtin I've been there myself, not 492 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 8: for testic terrorism. 493 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: We've just been from Corda. 494 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 9: So we're seeing the rise of fascism in a very 495 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 9: real way. 496 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 8: Like in the realistic ways cop City, like you said, 497 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 8: it is ground zero for what would become a very 498 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 8: popular trend. 499 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 7: Not this in America, but. 500 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 8: Across the world right, So it's on us to make 501 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 8: sure that we do everything that's. 502 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 6: In our power to make sure that this. 503 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 7: Day is stop. 504 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: Cop City is. 505 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 9: Given police the training and the ability to have urban 506 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 9: warfare and suppression tactics at their will to be used 507 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 9: against the people. 508 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: Urban warfare and suppression. 509 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 8: Not like thy not unlike what we see in other countries, 510 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 8: in other cities with organized resistance everywhere. 511 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: Lastly, we have Reverend Keana Jones, member of the Faith 512 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Coalition to Stop Cop City, whom we've heard from on 513 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: this show before. 514 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 10: I want every Black Atlanta to think about what you 515 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 10: don't have. If you don't have affordable housing, it's because 516 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 10: they put the money in the cop CIT. If you 517 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 10: can't pay your life bill, it's because that assistance got 518 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 10: given back to the federal government. 519 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: What they're paying for cop CIT. 520 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 10: If there are no policing alternatives and no urgent initiatives 521 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 10: in your community, is that they've given the money and 522 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 10: hop sick. If you fell into that pot hole on Passilion, 523 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 10: it's because they. 524 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 3: Give it the money to pop C. 525 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 10: If you can't walk out of your door and brief 526 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 10: clean air, it's because they rather get it to top C. 527 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 10: So Andrea Hickins does. 528 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: Not care about black people. 529 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 10: I'm gonna do a Kanye West right now, but I'm saying, 530 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 10: are Gibbons. 531 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: Don't care about black people? 532 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 10: And Andrea Nickens ain't no different than nobody else, and 533 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 10: some of those other consul people out there who have 534 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 10: no soul called legacy names ain't doing nothing for black people. So, 535 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 10: once again, what is Andre Niggins doing for you? If 536 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 10: he is willing to take police and make sure that 537 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 10: they got slot takes to roll around in they walking 538 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 10: around the ars in your neighborhood, your children walking out 539 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 10: the house to hearing gunshots constantly, what do Andre Niggins 540 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 10: care about you? 541 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: Does his children hear that? 542 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: Okay, it is important to mention the venue that that 543 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: this was, that this panel took place in, because this 544 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: is like a very much like a it feels it 545 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: feels like a Black Excellence type of like space. It's 546 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: like that is the space that it is. It's it is, 547 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: it is a private club. It holds like an amount 548 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: of like respect. 549 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: There cultural significance. 550 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: And on this panel at the gathering spot, the panelists 551 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: were We're talking about how why why is the mayor 552 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: who meant many of these people helped get elected because 553 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: he had promises about, you know, helping out the community, 554 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: giving millions of dollars to affordable housing. Why is he 555 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: using now, like sixty seventy million dollars that could go 556 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: to affordable housing, that could go towards supporting black people 557 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: in Atlanta? Is funneling all of that money into the 558 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: police and and into not even like the police department, 559 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: a private police foundation, like funding funding the APFS project, 560 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: not a city project. I think it was Keana who 561 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: said that Andre Dickens does not care about black people. Yeah, 562 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: and having that be said at the gathering spot, I 563 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: think actually is very important and is worth talking about. 564 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: As the referendum was progressing and people from across all 565 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: sides of the movement, we're working in conjunction just spread 566 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: awareness of Copcity and engage in action. The mayor was 567 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: making attempts to divide the movement. 568 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 4: Criminals are hiding in the middle of peaceful protests and 569 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 4: sometimes they are doing their own separate acts of violence. 570 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: Some of them are career arsonists and vandals from across 571 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: the nation. Local activists have been alerted to this numerous times. 572 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 4: These are the actions of blatantly outrageous, dangerous, and violent criminals. 573 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 4: How are arsonists, vandals, violent actors able to be alongside 574 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 4: peaceful protesters. You have individuals that will burn up construction equipment, 575 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 4: light a fire to police vehicles, and then have a 576 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 4: bouncy house party the next day with peaceful protesters at 577 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 4: a park. So they will go to a park by day, 578 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 4: and then by night they're burning up police equipment or 579 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 4: setting fires or trying to destroy construction equipment. So these 580 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 4: individuals are trying to use the guys of peaceful protests 581 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 4: that maybe some local Atlantans may actually be engaged in 582 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 4: a desired conversation about their views on public safety. But 583 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 4: these individuals have different views than those folks. These individuals 584 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 4: are anarchists. They want to destroy. So these individuals are 585 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 4: alongside these arsonists, these criminals are alongside peaceful protesters, and 586 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 4: sometimes the peaceful protesters are aware of it, and sometimes 587 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 4: they are not. We have made it clear to local 588 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 4: activists that we know and individuals that tend to be peaceful. 589 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 4: We're letting them know that we are aware that there 590 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 4: are individuals that are in our city that have committed 591 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 4: crimes across the nation and that they are on your 592 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 4: social media or in your network saying they're coming to 593 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 4: your event to do the same. 594 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: Mayor Dickens went further and essentially threatened that if you 595 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: are a so called activist and you don't snitch, then 596 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: the APD will treat you the same as a violent criminal. 597 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 4: So when we give you that heads up as a 598 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 4: local organizer, you should take that heads up and also 599 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 4: see something, say something, as we're asking any other citizen 600 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 4: to do. When peaceful protesters, when organizers are not utilizing 601 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 4: their best judgment, then bad things can happen with them 602 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 4: being alongside them, and it makes it real tough for 603 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 4: APD to know who was the one with the dirty hands, 604 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 4: so to speak. And so that's what the message that 605 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 4: we want to get out to the public is that 606 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 4: these individuals mean harm and you don't want to be 607 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 4: around them or associated with them. When you are, it 608 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 4: makes it difficult to tell who. 609 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: The city wants. The various wings of the fight to 610 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: stop cop City to turn on each other, to resent 611 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: each other, to so distrust and undermine any collective power. 612 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: That's why the referendum's Statement of solidarity explicitly rejecting respectability 613 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: politics and the framing of violent and nonviolent resistance was 614 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: so important. An online communicate claiming responsibility for torching police 615 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: motorcycles on the last day of the Week of action 616 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: addressed this dynamic quote. We took action after non combative 617 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: demonstrations at Cadence Bank and Home Depot. The police attacked 618 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: those demonstrations with no cause, as they do wherever and 619 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: however the movement gathers. There can be no separation of 620 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: time and space for tactics when police have turned society 621 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: into a war zone. Despite this, we dispersed our activity 622 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: as much as possible across their area of control. We 623 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: encourage those who are pursuing a strategy of referendum to 624 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: continue supporting all methods to stop cop City. If you 625 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: defy the state's unilateral authority in any way, you will 626 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: be seen as a valid target. As demonstrated throughout the 627 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: history of this movement, including during this last Week of action, 628 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: police will treat you like a violent criminal, whether you're 629 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: holding a sign in a parking lot, bailing activists out 630 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: of jail, or smashing a cop car. On July sixth, 631 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: a group of activists in unincorporated Decab County near the 632 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: potential site of cop City, filed a lawsuit against the 633 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: City of Atlanta and the State of Georgia, claiming the 634 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: requirement that signature gatherers must themselves be Atlanta residents violated 635 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: their First Amendment right to free speech and petition the 636 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: government due to the potential constitutional violation, the lawsuit also 637 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: requested the court reset the sixty day clock for gathering 638 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: signatures while still counting the signatures that were already gathered. 639 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: In mid July, the City of Atlanta filed a reply 640 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: in federal court arguing that the cop City referendum was 641 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: wholly invalid since it seeks to provoke a land lease 642 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: that has already been signed. The filing reads, in part, quote, 643 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: repeal of a year's old ordinance cannot retroactively revoke authorization 644 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: to do something that has already been done. But if 645 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: the referendum could claim to result in a revocation or 646 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: cancelation of the lease, it would still be invalid because 647 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: it would amount to an imformissible impairment of that contract unquote. 648 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: The city also argued that if the court does deem 649 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: the Atlanta residency requirement for gathering signatures unconstitutional, then the 650 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: entire referendum should be deemed unlaw. A rebuttal by the 651 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: plaintiffs said that the city did not provide factual or 652 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: legal evidence for its claims and misread the cited precedence. 653 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: According to the plaintiffs, the land lease contract is ongoing, 654 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: not an irreversible quote unquote one time event, and since 655 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: the city authorized and issued the petition form, they skipped 656 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: their chance to argue that the referendum is somehow invalid 657 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: by already approving the language of the petition and letting 658 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: the referendum process begin. Near the end of July, US 659 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: District Court Judge Mark Cohen ruled in favor of the 660 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: cop city referendum, allowing non Atlanta residents to collect signatures 661 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 1: and reset the sixty day clock to collect the roughly 662 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: sixty thousand signatures needed to put the land lease on 663 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: the ballot. In his ruling, Judge Mark Cohen said, quote 664 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: requiring signature gatherers to be residents of the city imposes 665 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: a severe burden on core political speech and does little 666 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: to protect the city's interest in self governance unquote. Mary Hooks, 667 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: the tactical lead of the referendum coalition, reacted to the ruling, saying, quote, 668 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: we are thrilled by Judge Cohen's ruling and the expansion 669 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: of democracy to include our cab neighbors and level the 670 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: playing field for our coalition unquote. The city quickly filed 671 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: for an appeal, which was subsequently denied on August fourteenth, 672 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: with the judge stating quote, the city's real concern may 673 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: be that now that non residents have the ability to 674 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: gather signatures on the petition for the entire time that 675 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: they would have been permitted to do so had their 676 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: initial request been granted, there is an increased possibility that 677 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: a sufficient number of valid signatures could be obtained unquote. 678 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: As liberals cheered on the Fulton County District Attorney in 679 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: Atlanta for indicting Trump and co conspirators for election tampering 680 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: under reco charges, the same exact sort of charges that 681 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: this office has used against young black rappers and have 682 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 1: been wielded against the Stop Cop City movement, the City 683 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: of Atlanta's own election interference by repressing the referendum has 684 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: been largely ignored. Fulton County court set Trump's bond for 685 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars for attempting to overthrow a federal election. 686 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: The same court set bond at three hundred and fifty 687 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars each for multiple protesters arrested for being 688 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: merely present at a protest. After Georgia State Patrol killed 689 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: force defender Torteguita in January of this year, during all 690 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: of the glowing press for District Attorney Fannie Willis and 691 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: the City of Atlanta, it was revealed that on August eleventh, 692 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police Department killed a sixty two year old, 693 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: unarmed black man named Johnny Holman while responding to a 694 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: minor traffic accident. Both Holman and the unnamed second driver 695 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: called nine one one after the accident. Holman told nine 696 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: one one operators quote, somebody ran into truck after waiting 697 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: for over an hour for police to arrive. Twenty three 698 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: year old officer Kiaran Kimbro responded to the scene. Kimbro 699 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: joined APD in March of twenty twenty one and currently 700 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: as an open complaint for quote sexual misconduct non criminal unquote. 701 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: Johnny Holman, who served as a deacon in his church, 702 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: called his kids to listen to how the officer was 703 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: escalating the situation, and then an unknown witness helped this 704 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: APD officer wrestle sixty two year old Johnny Holman to 705 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: the ground and put him in handcuffs as the officer 706 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 1: used his taser. To quote the Atlantic Community Press Collective quote, 707 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: the children listened for seventeen minutes as they drove to 708 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: the scene of the accident, hearing their father call for 709 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: help after officer kimbro tased him. When they arrived on scene, 710 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: they found officers giving chrest compressions to their father. Unquote. 711 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: Johnny Holman was then pronounced dead at Grady Hospital. A 712 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: week after APD killed Holman, another person incarcerated at Fulton 713 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: County Jail died while being held on five thousand dollars 714 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 1: bond after being denied signature bond for shoplifting less than 715 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars of goods. The City of Atlanta's own 716 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: alleged voter suppression has continued. Initially, the cop City vote 717 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: referendum hoped to not have to use the extra day 718 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: is granted by the judge and submit the collected signatures 719 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: on August twenty first, with the intention of getting them 720 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: verified in time to put the cop City vote on 721 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: the upcoming November ballot come Monday, August twenty first, the 722 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: referendum put out a statement that, despite collecting over one 723 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand signatures, that they are delaying submitting the petition 724 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: due to concerns that the city was going to employ 725 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: voter suppression tactics during the validation process. The statement reads, 726 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: in part quote, In recent days, we began to hear 727 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: from reporters and sources inside city Hall that the City 728 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: of Atlanta is planning to argue for a higher than 729 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: previously reported legal minimum signature count for ballot access. More 730 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: concerning were reports that they also planned to utilize signature 731 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: match in their verification process, an archaic and widely abandoned 732 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: tool of voter suppression that has been widely condemned across 733 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: the political spectrum, including by the Republican controlled Georgia State legislator. 734 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: Signature matching is a subjective form of a vote validation 735 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: which uses election workers to visually match signatures on a 736 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: ballot or in this case of petition, to a previous 737 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: signature on their driver's license or voter registration card. Hours 738 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: after the referendum's statement, the City of Atlanta officially announced 739 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: their intention to use his signature matching for the cop 740 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: city vote referendum. Back in twenty eighteen, a federal judge 741 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 1: in Georgia ruled that signature matching did not serve any 742 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: legitimate in interest and disenfranchised black and brown voters disproportionately. 743 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: For years, the ACLU has advocated against and won multiple 744 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: court cases against discriminatory signature matching processes. Fair Fight Action, 745 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: a Georgia based voting rights organization founded by Stacy Abrams, 746 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: responded to the news Atlanta would be using signature matching 747 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: with a statement saying quote signature matching is a tool 748 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: of voter suppression that litigated extensively in Georgia and removed 749 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: from the mail in ballot process because of its harm 750 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: to voters resulting in mass disenfranchisement. Using the discredited process 751 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: of signature matching is unacceptable and risks unfairly rejecting thousands 752 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: of valid petitions. Signature verification is notoriously subjective, disproportionately impacts 753 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: voters of color, and as biased against disabled and elderly voters. 754 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: There is extensive precedent in Georgia showing the harms of 755 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 1: this process. It must be relegated to them. Past Fair 756 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: fight calls on the City of Atlanta to rescind their 757 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: intent to use this process and to enact steps that 758 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: fairly evaluate these petitions unquote. Facing the City of Atlanta's 759 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: quote open and ongoing hostility to the cop city vote referendum, 760 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: the coalition has decided to use the time extension granted 761 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: by federal Judge Mark Cohen to continue collecting signatures to 762 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: quote leave no doubt as to the will of Atlanta 763 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: voters unquote. They now plan to submit petition signatures on 764 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: September twenty third. The City Council will then have fifty 765 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: days to validate the signatures, which means that if successful, 766 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 1: and assuming the city doesn't further interfere the referendum would 767 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: get put on the ballot during the March primary election 768 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. The vote being pushed into March 769 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: adds a few complications. Turnout may skew more Republican as 770 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 1: it's unlikely there will be a Democratic presidential primary, and 771 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: the vote being seven months away disrupts the momentum that 772 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: the campaign has been gaining over the past couple of months. 773 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: People who signed the petition back in June would have 774 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: to wait almost a whole year to vote on the ballot. 775 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: The few extra months does give more time to educate 776 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: the public about cop City during a lead up to 777 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: the election, but that goes both ways, which means that 778 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: after two years of this movement mostly taking form as 779 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 1: a ground war over territory, now for the time being, 780 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: much of the fight to stop Cop City will change 781 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: into a pr war in the public sphere. This shift 782 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: from a physical offense to a metaphysical offense was something 783 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: that I already felt coming back during the Week of 784 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: action in terms of like cameras and spectacle the other 785 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: The big feeling I had on the Saturday kickoff rally 786 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: was like this just feels like society of the spectacle, 787 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 1: Like there's. 788 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 2: Such a performance. 789 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: It was very performative, but it was like almost like 790 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: with all of the cameras looking at everything all the time, 791 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: it was like are people trying to make a proximily 792 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: of this movement for the cameras? Like is that has 793 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: become almost more important? Or like it felt that way. 794 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: This is a conversation that people have, like is it 795 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: worth creating moments where we expect the police to lash 796 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: out violently? Like is that effective as a propaganda tactic. 797 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that if comes with losing while looking good, 798 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 2: it does. 799 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is like that is losing while looking good. 800 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: But also I don't think that's nearly as effective as 801 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: people think it is. I think after twenty twenty, I 802 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: think people are kind of desensitized to a lot of 803 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: police violence at protests. The visual the visuals of police 804 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: hurting protesters, I don't think is nearly as impactful as 805 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,760 Speaker 1: it was even three years ago. So I think people 806 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: are also realizing that and realizing that, hey, the sacrifice 807 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: inherent in up actions where you know that you're probably 808 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: going to get sucked up by police, that's not worth it. 809 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: That that one, it treats people as like tools. That 810 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: treats people as disposable, which is, you know, that's not 811 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: great if you want to build a long lasting movement, 812 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: And that's not even very effective. As the public relations 813 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: battle over the fate of cop City intensifies in the 814 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,280 Speaker 1: lead up to the vote, with the City of Atlanta 815 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: undoubtedly ready to run a full election, propaganda campaign strategies 816 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: of resistance cannot overlook the physical construction of the facility. 817 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,879 Speaker 1: Pre construction has been active and ongoing for a few 818 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: months now, mostly in the form of tree clearing and 819 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: land grading. Just a few days ago, the Atlanta Police 820 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: Foundation updated their construction timeline, saying that they had just 821 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: began installing a stone base for the main roadway, that 822 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: irrigation and site lighting is now underway, and full lawn 823 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,759 Speaker 1: construction is set to quote begin in the next week 824 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: or or soot that now may be out of date, 825 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: but based on the progress being made on the site, 826 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: it's clear that construction is now imminent, and with the 827 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: threat of the referendum, the APF will try to get 828 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: as much built as quickly as possible to help with 829 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: the pro copcity side of election messaging. One of the 830 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,919 Speaker 1: original goals of the referendum was to try to place 831 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: an injunction on further construction until the ballot vote, but 832 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: it's unknown if or when that would happen. In the meantime, 833 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: activists may take a cue from Earth First, and instead 834 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: of trying to occupy the site, instead they might find 835 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: creative ways to make the construction site hard to work on. Also, 836 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: with the increased element of spectacle placing a lot of 837 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,840 Speaker 1: extra eyes on pre announced public demonstrations, more secretive actions 838 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: may start becoming more common. There's other actions that can 839 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: happen more covertly, like if you're doing sabotage where you 840 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: don't need to invite a camera crew to film you 841 00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 1: do crimes. 842 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 2: Why is move not? 843 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 6: Why is? 844 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: But it's also as a rule like why That's the 845 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,399 Speaker 1: other thing is like so many of these events during 846 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: during these weeks of action are pre planned that not 847 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: only gives media heads up on like we're gonna film this, 848 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: and this is also gonna that's gonna change the actions 849 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: that happened while this is happening because everyone knows they're 850 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 1: being launched, it also gives police heads. 851 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,399 Speaker 2: Up to to shut down the paths your in jurudchment career. 852 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: So that I think that comes with the week of 853 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: Action format because if people people coming in from out 854 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: of town, they don't know where to go, if they're 855 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: not already tied in with the movement, they don't know 856 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 1: what what what exactly to do. So that's that's another 857 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: thing that thinks could change during future actions that may 858 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,320 Speaker 1: not be part of the Week of Action is more covert, 859 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: less less pre planned, pre announced actions that are maybe 860 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,240 Speaker 1: uh maybe a little bit more mischievous in their recent 861 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: statement on voter suppression. The referendum also announced quote the 862 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,280 Speaker 1: coalition will consider using upcoming opportunities for non violent direct 863 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,800 Speaker 1: actions to direct the people's frustration with the city council's 864 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: obstruction of the democratic process unquote. Camal Franklin of Community 865 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: Movement Builders added quote, if the city needs to see 866 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,879 Speaker 1: a demonstration of the people's commitment to the issue, we're 867 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: happy to provide one. Unquote. Police intentionally denying anarchists operating 868 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: space by occupying the Wolani themselves may shift the more 869 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: liberal side of the movement to now focus on rallies 870 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: and events around the construction site, which could also inadvertently 871 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: draw eyeballs away and open up other territory across the 872 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 1: city that might be more vulnerable to attack by small 873 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: groups to quote the direct action communicate claiming responsibility for 874 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: torching the police motorcade on July first. Quote, while signatures 875 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 1: are collected, the police are still killing. We cannot wait. 876 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,879 Speaker 1: If the referendum fails, actions like ours and Boulder will 877 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: be the only means available. Unquote. With construction imminent, subcontractor 878 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: tensions increasing and the City of Atlanta gambling with voter suppression, 879 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: right now the movement really cannot afford to alienate the 880 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: Green anarchists that pioneered the early legitimacy of this movement 881 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: with bold direct action. The Atlanta Police Foundation is trying 882 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: to snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat. What 883 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: happens in the next few months may push Atlanta to 884 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,839 Speaker 1: a dangerous tipping point. No matter the endpoint of this 885 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 1: particular struggle, victory or defeat cannot be imagined as the end. 886 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: The fight against Copcity is one large battle in an 887 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,240 Speaker 1: ongoing war, a war of police militarization, racism, environmental justice, 888 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: and against the incestuous neoliberal police state in its leviathan 889 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: like formation. Based on what happens here in Atlanta, similar 890 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: police project proposals will be recalibrated. As the South goes, 891 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,439 Speaker 1: so goes the nation. Capitalist realism posits that history is over, 892 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: that it's a literal thing of the past, But it 893 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: turns out you're living through it right now, So what 894 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: will you do to create it? You can read more 895 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,279 Speaker 1: about the fights to stop Coopcity at Atlpresscollective dot com 896 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: and donate to the Atlanta Solidarity Fund at Atlsolidarity dot org. 897 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,319 Speaker 1: See you on the other side. It could Happen here 898 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: as a production of cool Zone Media. 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