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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to this live edition of Fair Territory.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Alana Rizzo, welcoming our guest, Jesse Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Of course you've seen him all over Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 1: primarily with ESPN and does a great job covering all

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Speaker 1: thirty teams. He's going to break down Game two of

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Speaker 1: the ALCS the beginning of the NLCS. Jesse, great to

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Speaker 1: be with you, But there is some breaking news out

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Speaker 1: of San Diego. It has been reported that Mike Schildt

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Speaker 1: has announced his retirement from managing the Padres. This is

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Speaker 1: per Kevin Ace of the San Diego Union. Tell me

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Speaker 1: more about what you know about this. It's interesting though,

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Speaker 1: the wording, my friend not retiring as a manager, but

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Speaker 1: retiring as manager of the Friars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not using the language like quitting or stepping away.

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Speaker 2: I mean retiring from the manager of the Padres is

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Speaker 2: curious wording. So have to figure that out. I actually

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Speaker 2: know Mike well, as a lot of people do, and

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Speaker 2: this one is a surprise to me. So there's got

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Speaker 2: to be more to this story than just that statement.

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Speaker 3: Right, So we'll find out.

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Speaker 2: This team came up short in the playoffs, but they

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Speaker 2: made the playoffs, had really good back to back seasons

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Speaker 2: under Mike Schilt.

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Speaker 3: He's done a good job there.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't get past those first couple rounds, so

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Speaker 2: we'll have to see.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit surprising.

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Speaker 2: But in San Diego, you know, we had changes ever

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Speaker 2: in the win there with Aj Preller in charge, but

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Speaker 2: we really got to get to the bottom of what

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Speaker 2: that wording actually means, Alana.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's really a surprise to people around baseball.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of managerial jobs open, so there's

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Speaker 2: you know, not that many great managers out there. According

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Speaker 2: to general managers, he was at least a good one

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Speaker 2: that had good season.

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Speaker 3: So this is a bit surprising. But there's got to

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Speaker 3: be more to this story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can read the story from Kevin ac

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Speaker 4: of the San Diego Union Tribune. He's the one that

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Speaker 4: broke the story, Jesse. And it's interesting though, because Mike

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Speaker 4: Schilt is walking away from a contract that has two

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Speaker 4: years remaining, citing a quote severe toll unquote the job

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Speaker 4: has taken on him quote mentally and physically. I mean,

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Speaker 4: people think, oh, San Diego a great place to live,

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Speaker 4: but with that expectation of a j Priller at the helmet.

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Speaker 4: Of course, with the recent passing of their former owner

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Speaker 4: Peter Sidler, you have to wonder if the expectation was

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Speaker 4: just too much. What's your take on the fact that

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Speaker 4: he's walking away citing mental and physical toll.

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Speaker 2: I just covered him in the playoffs in the first

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Speaker 2: round against the Cubs, and I was in on those

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Speaker 2: meetings because I was doing the sideline reporting, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's stressful. It's stressful, but he seemed to enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: But you never know what's going on in a person's

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Speaker 2: personal life. When it comes to this grind that these

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Speaker 2: guys go on, it takes a toll.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely takes a toll.

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Speaker 2: I was joking within a GM recently about you know,

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Speaker 2: being away from your wife during during the playoffs and mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you know, we were talking about the husband Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: and the response was, is any husband in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of fame? When it comes to baseball? Like, if you're

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Speaker 2: in the sport, it's tough, it's tough. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's a grind, and I guess we none of

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Speaker 3: From from the daily grind.

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Speaker 2: As good as those jobs are as much as he

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Speaker 2: wanted to do it again after what happened in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: I think anybody in the sport can relate to the

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Speaker 2: stress and the grind of it all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm surprised most of us have not been dfaed.

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Speaker 4: Those that cover us cover this sport on a daily basis.

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Speaker 4: Jesse switching her focus now to the Alcs. Obviously, Game

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Speaker 4: one was last night. The Mariners take the win in

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Speaker 4: Game one against the Jayson Thank you just drew a

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Speaker 4: blank there. So obviously the Blue Jays looking to even

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Speaker 4: things up tonight. What was your biggest takeaway from Game one?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's easy. The fact that the Mariners won.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you're not supposed to win that

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Speaker 2: game fifteen innings, two nights before flying across the country there.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to give that game away. You're supposed to

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Speaker 2: punt that game. They didn't do that, and it certainly

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Speaker 2: looked like they would in the first inning. Bryce Miller

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Speaker 2: settled down. He was the star of that game easily.

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Speaker 2: Of course, cal Rowley did his thing. But the fact

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Speaker 2: It's so obvious. I mean, Blue Jays need to win

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Speaker 2: boost Seattle will get if they sweep there will be amazing.

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Speaker 3: So that's it to me, Just the fact that.

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Speaker 2: They grinded out a win, just, you know, a little

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Speaker 2: while after celebrating the fifteen inning affair in the Alds

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Speaker 2: amazing amazing stuff by Bryce Miller after giving up that

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Speaker 2: leadoff home run.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, Jesse, when Bryce Miller gave up the leadoff home

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Speaker 4: run to George Springer on the first pitch, I was like,

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Speaker 4: oh jeez, that obviously didn't take long. But you're like,

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Speaker 4: here you go for the Mariners, they're woes, and then

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Speaker 4: they lose Lucas and the you know, the first app

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Speaker 4: bat there looks like he's going to be okay, right,

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Speaker 4: neat contusion as far as that concerned. What's the most

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Speaker 4: impressive thing about the Mariners coming back and winning that game.

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Speaker 4: I know you talked about the fatigue from the fifteen

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Speaker 4: been a resilient bunch. I know we throw that word

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Speaker 2: Well, the fact that they did it and I think

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Speaker 2: one hundred pitches after Bryce Miller threw twenty seven in

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Speaker 2: the first inning, they just mowed him down after that.

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Speaker 2: This was a Blue Jays offense that was on fire

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Speaker 2: against the Yankees, on fire in the second half of

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Speaker 2: this season, and it just kind of disappeared after.

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Speaker 3: That Springer homer.

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Speaker 2: It just goes to show you and never knowing baseball,

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Speaker 2: but to finish throwing one hundred pitches after twenty seven

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Speaker 2: you know, by definition tired after fifteen innings and five

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Speaker 2: games against the Tigers. I thought that was the most

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Speaker 2: amazing thing. And then most of the credit goes to

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Speaker 2: that game as well.

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Speaker 3: So man stolen right out from.

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Speaker 2: Underneath the Toronto Blue Jays who got off to that

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Speaker 2: great start with the Springer homer, but just could not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, after that first inning with Nathan Lukes and Bryce

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 4: Does the fact that John Snyder took Kevin Gossman out

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Speaker 4: when he did, does that give you any sort of pause?

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Speaker 4: What was your take on that?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't. It doesn't. And look, it's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: A lot of managers during the regular season are being

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Speaker 2: reactive most of the time. In the postseason, they have

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Speaker 2: to be proactive by definition. These are short series, especially

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Speaker 2: the best of three and best of five, best of seven.

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Speaker 2: Little different, maybe a little different, but you have to

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Speaker 2: make the move before your pitcher gets into deep trouble,

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Speaker 2: you can react to it. It's just a different animal.

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Speaker 2: And look, he gave up the home run, he gave

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Speaker 2: telling to me. The pitch to Raleigh was you know,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the best split. So so again, is he

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Speaker 3: The walk? I get it. I totally get it. Now.

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Speaker 2: The reliever after him didn't didn't perform, and you're gonna

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Speaker 2: second guess. But I understand being proactive. The first sign

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Speaker 2: fifth or sixth inning. These days, managers are going to

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Speaker 2: make the move. And you understand why. There's there's no

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Speaker 2: tomorrow essentially, even though there's a few games left, like

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Speaker 2: every game is so important, so I don't have a

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Speaker 2: problem with it. Maybe in another scenario I will have

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Speaker 2: run is what's telling to me. One pitch is one thing,

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Speaker 3: To me that Okay, let's be proactive about this, not reactive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, quick hooks in the postseason, I understand exactly what

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Speaker 4: you're saying. Focusing now on the NLCS Jesse Rodgers, the Brewers,

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Speaker 4: of course, the host against the reigning champion Dodgers. This

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Speaker 4: is a Brewers team, Jesse that's been unbelievable all season long,

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Speaker 4: best record in baseball. They've dominated the National League wire

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Speaker 4: to wire essentially, and they had the season series sweep

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Speaker 4: against the Dodgers in the regular season. Does that trickle

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Speaker 4: its way into the postseason six and zero in the

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. It has nothing to do with it. The

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Speaker 3: Dodgers were banged up, some of their pitchers weren't even

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Speaker 3: on the roster at the time.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I might do is give some Brewers

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Speaker 2: hitters some confidence against some pitchers they faced already, or

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Speaker 2: maybe as a team you feel confident because you beat

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Speaker 3: But honestly, it means nothing.

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Speaker 2: I covered the Cubs and Mets in twenty fifteen. The

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Speaker 2: the Mets, and then in the postseason they lost four nothing.

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Speaker 3: It really doesn't matter now.

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Speaker 2: It helped them win the season series and then the

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Speaker 2: best record in baseball because of they went six to

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't meaningful at the time, But in.

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Speaker 2: Terms of a carryover effect, a lot of it really

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Speaker 4: And the Dodgers get Blake Snell in Game one, Yoshinobu

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Speaker 4: Yamamoto in Game two. I feel, Jesse that this is

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Speaker 4: time that the Dodgers starting staff has been all together

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Speaker 4: and all healthy. How much does that factor into the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of wild.

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Speaker 2: If you go back to early in the season, the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers had no starting pitching but plenty in the bullpen

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Speaker 2: before those guys kind of faltered and got hurt.

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Speaker 3: The Brewers, especially.

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Speaker 2: When they got healthy, had a ton in the starting

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Speaker 2: now they're a little thin there, but have this great bullpen.

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Speaker 3: It's reversed itself.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that they can just pitch Otani one

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Speaker 2: do crazy things with him, is telling to me, just

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Speaker 2: give him his one start and let him hit the

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Speaker 2: rest of the series because they have enough now with

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Find it fascinating that the Borer's strength is their pen,

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Speaker 2: the Dodger strength as their starting staff and let's see,

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Speaker 4: Joe Hey, O'tani not starting in at least the first

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Speaker 4: When you're talking about Otani, does that make you scratch

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of guys through four or six

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of rhyme or reason to it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he was slumping, then we're in trouble now. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like that guy that has a bad

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Speaker 2: I think that's the only way to look at this.

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Speaker 3: How long is he going to slump?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a hard man to keep down for long.

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Speaker 4: His countrymen and teammate Roki Sasaki. Jesse is this man

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Speaker 4: I swear he was gone for six months. Nobody knew

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Speaker 4: where he was. That two pitch pitcher has come up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you love about baseball, right, you never know?

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Speaker 2: And I know that they do not want to pitch

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Speaker 2: brilliant idea. I mean, I think it's a brilliant idea.

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Speaker 2: when you're kind of young and dumb, that's fun too.

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Speaker 2: You don't know any better, and I don't think Sasaki

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Speaker 3: So I love the move. It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: What to start. Contrasts from the time in which he

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Speaker 4: Muto to move on, Jesse, Let's brag on the Brewers

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Speaker 4: a little bit. The average joes they are not. What

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's going to get a ton of innings.

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Speaker 2: But that it doesn't mean he won't pitch in LA

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Speaker 2: I just think he's more comfortable at home. Sort of

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Speaker 3: I mean this was four innings too. It wasn't just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty twenty five All Star the mizz We'll see

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Speaker 4: what went wrong and what does their offseason look like.

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Speaker 4: Time now for Inside Dish with Jesse Rogers. And I know, Jesse,

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Speaker 4: you cover all thirty teams for ESPN, but you spend

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Speaker 4: Cubs and the White Sox in your home base of Chicago.

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Speaker 4: What went wrong with the Cubs in terms of the postseason,

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Speaker 4: if you will, And what does their offseason look like

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Speaker 4: in your estimation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of interesting a lot.

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Speaker 2: I actually think they reached their ceiling, like winning a

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Speaker 3: And I do think even though five of their nine.

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Speaker 2: Regular hitters hit under two hundred in the postseason, like

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Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. You're gonna have your good moments and

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Speaker 2: bad moments. Offensively, it was a good offense. It was

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Speaker 2: I actually think they were short on the mountain and

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Speaker 2: You can't use that excuse in the postseason. But they

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Speaker 2: But they had one pitcher who really can strike guys

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Speaker 3: So I feel like they hit their ceiling. But it

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Speaker 4: There we go, Jesse. I think I lost you there

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this about Kyle Tucker. Is Kyle

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: But it's not unlimited, and I think if there was

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Speaker 3: So I think the writings a little bit on the wall.

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Speaker 2: Not impossible, especially if he wanted a short term deal.

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Speaker 2: If he accepted the qualifying offer, all very doubtful. Most

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Cubs want to tie up thirty

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Speaker 3: Just doesn't make much business sense on the Cubs part.

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Speaker 3: And I just feel like Tucker's going to get a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very likely the one year that he was with

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Speaker 3: Only.

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Speaker 4: Jesse Rogers would show up to a barbecue in a

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Speaker 4: suit and time now to grill you, Jesse. The first

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Speaker 4: question is in regards to Justin Steele. Ryan wants to

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Speaker 4: know is he supposed to be ready by spring? What's

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Speaker 4: the big picture outlook for Justin?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be ready to take regular turns

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Speaker 2: in the rotation by spring, but certainly early in the season,

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Speaker 2: maybe May, if I'm remembering it correctly, So he'll be

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Speaker 2: a little bit behind everybody.

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Speaker 3: Else, but not too far.

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Speaker 2: And I think you can you can hope to consider

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Speaker 2: him as a major contributor in twenty twenty six, even

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Speaker 2: if it is in April.

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Speaker 4: First, Okay, all division winners Jesse Rodgers are advancing, of course, Toronto, Milwaukee, Seattle,

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Speaker 4: and Los Angeles. I would want you to rank the

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Speaker 4: home atmospheres of the four remaining teams standing. Let's start

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Speaker 4: with the American Leaguelet's start with Toronto.

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Speaker 3: I would put it at a six and a half.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: They're nice in Canada, though they're not gonna be streaming

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Speaker 2: the opponent's game like the regally crowd was with Freddy Peralta.

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Speaker 2: But it can get rockets for sure up there. Maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe more than six and a half. I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 2: I haven't been to a game in Toronto in a

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Speaker 2: few years. I shouldn't down you know, downgrade it, but

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Speaker 2: it's pretty darn good.

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Speaker 3: I'll put it that way, all right.

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Speaker 4: They're going to have the roof open tonight. I wonder

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Speaker 4: if that makes any sort of difference in terms of

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Speaker 4: that outcome. What about Seattle? Obviously Seattle, We're going to

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Speaker 4: get to Rob's question in just a second. Seattle, right

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Speaker 4: ranks Seattle than LA than Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Seattle is probably one among those three.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been just crazy there and it will

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Speaker 2: only take another take it to another level in the ALCS.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the Dodger fans, it can be

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Speaker 2: very good, it can be very good. But I will

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Speaker 2: say the Brewer fans reacted, I think, to what was

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Speaker 2: going on at really and brought it in Game five.

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Speaker 2: I put the Brewers and Dodgers similar. Dome open, dome

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Speaker 2: close can make a difference, certainly, but I think I

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Speaker 2: think most people would say Dodger Stadium can get going,

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Speaker 2: and and and fam Field as well.

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Speaker 3: But I'd put safeg above them. I'd put what happens

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Speaker 3: in Seattle above those two.

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Speaker 4: All right, it's gonna be interesting to see. I think

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Speaker 4: the Citizens Bank fans the most difficult place to go

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Speaker 4: into and play. Unfortunately, the Phillies have been kicked out.

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Speaker 4: All right, We're gonna have much more questions after this,

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Speaker 4: but one really quick one from rob What do you

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Speaker 4: think about the tactic of turning starters into relievers in

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Speaker 4: the postseason? Will we see more of this in the

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Speaker 4: coming years. We have about sixty seconds to answer this

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Speaker 4: one easy.

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Speaker 3: The answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: I mean unless you somehow have for healthy, ready to

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Speaker 2: go starters like the Dodgers have, only because they slow

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Speaker 2: played them. Even Doc Roberts said yesterday, Yeah, we could

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Speaker 2: have pitched Blake SNeW earlier in the year, but we didn't.

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Speaker 3: So the Dodgers are one thing.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see openers and folk innings and

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Speaker 2: just trying to get twenty seven outs. Hopefully the agents

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Speaker 2: catch up with it and say, hey, my guys pitching

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Speaker 2: inning two through four. Pay him in the playoffs for

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Speaker 2: what he does in the playoffs. So I think yes,

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Speaker 2: the answers, we're going to see more weird permutations of

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Speaker 2: how pitchers are used in the postseason unless you simply

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Speaker 2: have four decent.

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Speaker 3: Starters ready to rock and roll, and very few teams do.

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Speaker 4: Hey, for those of you still with us, we're glad

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Speaker 4: that you are still here. A couple of more questions

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Speaker 4: for Jesse Rodgers. This is a fair question, Jesse. I

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Speaker 4: wonder this too. Robert just has a simple one. David Ross.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that means for San Diego or

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Speaker 4: another open managerial spot.

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Speaker 2: What do you think It's funny because I do think

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Speaker 2: he'd be a decent fit in San Diego. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the sort of theme around Ross would be put him

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Speaker 2: with a veteran club or one that's ready to win

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Speaker 2: more than a rebuilding one, just for obvious reasons. He's

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Speaker 2: kind of that grizzled you know, Grandpa Ross, right, But

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Speaker 2: I think he learned a lot in his first gig.

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Speaker 2: There's a ton of openings. He's gonna end up somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt that Preller will interview him. I don't

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Speaker 2: doubt that the thinking, the common thinking is Baltimore, Atlanta

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Speaker 2: for sure, and now why not throw San Diego into

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Speaker 2: the mix. So I think Ross is the right guy

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Speaker 2: at the right time in a lot of ways, like

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Speaker 2: being out of the game and you know, coming back

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Speaker 2: into it with so many openings, I think, and he

548
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Speaker 2: didn't leave in it with a bad reputation at all.

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Speaker 3: So I do think he gets one of these gigs,

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Speaker 3: and San Diego would be intriguing for sure.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a quick question about Manny Ramier

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Speaker 4: or Manny Ramirez, Manny Machado. Do you think that there's

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Speaker 4: a Buck Show Walter Manny Machado reunion in San Diego.

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Speaker 4: We'll see what happens in San Diego. A lot of

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Speaker 4: managerial openings for all of you watching. We're gonna still

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Speaker 4: wait and see if Jesse Rogers comes back. Put some

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Speaker 4: questions in the chat here. I'll see if I can

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Speaker 4: answer any of these for you guys. It says it's over,

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Speaker 4: says the Orioles and Rays will bounce back, while either

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Speaker 4: the Yankees or Red Solacks will fall back and end

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Speaker 4: up in last place. That's an interesting take in terms

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Speaker 4: of it's over. Who were the free Phillies free agents

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Speaker 4: next year? A lot, Johnny Owen, Kyle Schwarber obviously the biggest,

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Speaker 4: probably free agents, Ranger Suarez the free agents of course

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Speaker 4: with the Philadelphia Phillies. Let's see, imagine if the Mets

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Speaker 4: get Kyle and the Phillies get Pete A. Lonzo. How

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Speaker 4: funny will that be? It would be that would certainly

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Speaker 4: shake up the NL East, If you will, Who else

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Speaker 4: do we have in the chat here as we wait

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Speaker 4: for Jesse to come back on, Johnny Owen, why would

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Speaker 4: anyone want to manage the Padres? Aj Preller just trades

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Speaker 4: the farm every deadline. That's not necessarily true, Johnny, because

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Speaker 4: one thing that aj Preller does is he spends money,

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Speaker 4: and he, much like Jerry Depoto in Seattle, is willing

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Speaker 4: to make moves. I mean, you can't fault the front

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Speaker 4: office and the ownership group for what they were able

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Speaker 4: to do with the San Diego Potters. They brought in

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Speaker 4: a tremendous amount of talent Allah Mason Miller to fortify

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Speaker 4: what was already a ridiculously good bullpen. I mean, San

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Speaker 4: Diego is a winnable team. This is a team that

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Speaker 4: obviously spends money. They can certainly compete with the Los

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Speaker 4: Angeles Dodgers in the n L West. I think San

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Speaker 4: Diego is a very desirable place to manage. A lot

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Speaker 4: of it depends, perhaps on the culture Jesse and I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I was answering a question, welcome back, my friend, Johnny.

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Speaker 4: No one asked, No, it's okay. Why would anybody Johnny

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Speaker 4: wants to know, why would anybody want to manage the Padres?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a desirable place. It just you know,

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Speaker 4: you have that's a team that spends money. I mean,

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Speaker 4: why why should why should managers want to go to

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Speaker 4: San Diego.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's one of thirty great jobs

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Speaker 2: that we have in this industry. It is San Diego,

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Speaker 2: nice place to live. They are trying to compete. Now

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Speaker 2: we'll see if they're going to continue to spend money.

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Speaker 2: But look, honey, have teams that don't spend money compete

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Speaker 2: as well. It's tough to be in the division with

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, but that's why you have three wildcards. You

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Speaker 2: got to win on the margins. If you're not going

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Speaker 2: to spend, you got to develop. That's what these smaller

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Speaker 2: markets like Milwaukee do. So it's desirable for a lot

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Speaker 2: of reasons. You still have tatist there, you still have

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Speaker 2: you know, a good core. Why not San Diego? H

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Speaker 2: A prewler doesn't meddle too much with his managers. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's a good job to have. It's just

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Speaker 2: tough to beat the Dodgers. But you have to think

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Speaker 2: about the wild card most years, and that's okay too.

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Speaker 2: So I don't see why not San Diego.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, have you been to San Diego. I'll take it.

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Speaker 4: Anybody want to hire me, I'll take it. That's gonna

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Speaker 4: do it. For this episode of Fair Territory with our

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Speaker 4: guest Jesse Rodgers, we appreciate your insight as always, best

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Speaker 4: of luck covering the NLCS. Thanks for being with us today. Guys,

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Speaker 4: I'm your host Alana Rizzo, Ken Rosenthal, and myself. We'll

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Speaker 4: be back on Wednesday a special episode of Fair Territory

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