WEBVTT - How Stella Got Her Groove Back 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.560 On the be Dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.240 have women in um? Are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:12.200 and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:17.120 start changing it with the bel Cast. Hello, and welcome 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.560 to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte, my 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.200 name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast. It 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.079 is you don't wait? I want to Actually let's start 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.200 this episode with a quick call out because I went 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.960 I went to our Wikipedia page to see what number 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.920 episode this was going to be, and our Wikipedia page 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:42.519 it's so stopped updating it. It's been left in June. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:48.760 It's just June. She whiz. I know, So I feel lost, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.319 but we do have Wait, let me figure out their 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:58.320 Twitter handle? Oh yes, yes, who who very generously made 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.560 five hundred charts. Yeah, so it's on Twitter. Their handle 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.200 is without Guerrillas. But it truly is really fascinating. We 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.399 reposted it to our social media. But it kind of 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.600 just breaks down every aspect of our show, like truly 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.240 every aspect of like how has Caitlin rated movies? How 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.600 has Jamie rated movies? What is the breakdown of like 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.560 directors by gender and by race, and just basically a 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.640 really interesting look at what we've covered so far that 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.240 was genuinely helpful to us. So shout out truly some 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:34.319 like incredible work that is genuinely like informing and helping 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.560 our shows. So yeah, thank you you and um but 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.520 you know Wikipedia, I don't know who who We genuinely 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.080 we never knew who was keeping our Wikipedia page up 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.040 to date. But thank you for all of the work 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.160 that you did. And I think it's a beautiful tribute 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:56.560 to our show all the way through June. Incredible. Anyways, 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.640 Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. This is 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.440 the Bectel Cast, in which we examine film through an 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:09.079 intersectional feminist lens, one movie at a time, and we 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.359 use the Bechtel test simply as a way to initiate 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:19.960 a larger conversation about representation. But Jamie, what's the Bechtel Test? Okay, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.600 I do know the answer, Okay, I'm ready. It is 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.840 a media metric originally created by queer cartoonist Alice in Bechdel, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:31.040 sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, that requires that a 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.560 piece of media do the following, and we have altered 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.359 it slightly for the purpose of our show. Um so 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.880 two named characters of a marginalized gender must talk to 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.720 each other about something other than a man for two 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.960 lines of dialogue. It doesn't usually happen in a movie. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.600 Not enough, not enough? Have you seen Austin Powers? Sorry, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:03:00.000 I have our Wikipedia page up and just pulling from 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.560 you know, Uh, there's a lot of movies in which 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.720 it doesn't pass. We use this as a jumping off 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.000 point for discussion. We don't spend the whole show trying 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.280 to figure out if it passes the Backtel test. Imagine 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:14.560 how boring that would be. I think, I think someday 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.040 we're gonna pivot to that. That would be a fun 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.880 April Fools episode is just going through a scriptic line 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.800 by line that is like the Shoshank redemption and be like, 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.560 what about this exchange? About this one? Nope, between two 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:33.920 men still know Well, today's episode I think, well, you know, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.160 not to spoil anything, but I think it's gonna fair 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:41.360 okay ish as far as Bechtel test specifically goes. But 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.720 there's a lot to talk about because the movie is 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.040 how Stella got her groove back and a popular request, 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.000 a popular request, and of course we have a guest 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:56.120 joining us. She is a comedian. She is one of 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.400 the co hosts of Love About Town podcast, she's host 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:06.360 of Complexify on Vice, and she is our first ever 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:16.360 fourth time guest of the Bechtel Cast. It is can smoke. Hello, Hello. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:18.800 That makes me so happy. I did not. It was 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.800 the only four guest second other guests. You have a guest, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.360 kiss my ass. I have a fourth timer. Next time 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.599 I'm on, I get a smoking jacket. That's how this 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.880 ship works. We talked about that. We talked about that 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.400 last two year. We did. It's important that they know 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:43.320 there's a jacket on the way. I feel validated and 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.040 I don't know why I vindicated, but I'm going to 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.080 go with that too. Oh yeah, you should. You should 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.360 feel those things. Congratulations, it's so good to see you. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.719 It's good to see you too. Man. This is not 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.360 important to the podcast at all, but I do love 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.159 your sweatshirt very much. It is when Bong ho one 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.599 for best picture. Right. Yes, yes, it's a quick quick 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.479 shout out. Caitlin and I were just talking about it. Uh. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.520 This was a sweatshirt made by one of our favorite companies, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.120 Super Hockey. It was a collaboration they did with Karen Hahn, 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.720 who's like this amazing writer who is so funny and yeah, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.880 so they just made a Bong June Host sweatshirt and 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:26.600 it's my prize possessions. It's really good. Um, and that 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.920 does a little bit to foreshadow and upcoming episode we're 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.520 doing on Parasite. I certainly choose outfits based on foreshadowing future, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.880 very strategic stuff going on here. Find all my t 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:45.640 shirts are flashbacks to past episode, because past episodes, because 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.320 I have several Josie and the Pussycats t shirts, I 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.680 have several Titanic shirts. I have several Paddington shirts. I 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.200 have several Star Wars shirts. I have Draassic Park shirt. 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.039 I have a several Back to the Future shirts. I 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:03.039 have an Indiana Joe shirt. I'm really just I have 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.279 too many graphic teas about a lot of toxic movies. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.360 Not all of them are toxic movies, but too many 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.000 of them are. Among us doesn't have a shirt or 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.720 two referencing a toxic movie. I thought that you were 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.080 saying that the shirt you were wearing at this moment 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.280 was a reference, and I was like, deep deep blue, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.960 See she's just wearing a blue T shirt. But I 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:29.000 was just like, oh, what is okay? Sorry, that's makes 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.640 you think, you know, maybe it is though, could be 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:39.040 could be the color. We're overdue for that episode. So yeah, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.159 um it's okay. So Cannie, what is your relationship with 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.840 How Stella Got her groove back? So everyone in my 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.560 life saw it when I was early teens or no, 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.440 like late childhood whatever you call that, tweens. Yes, everyone 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.000 in my life was seeing it when I was a 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.279 tween and Mike cousin moved down to St. Thomas. I 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.680 think after reading the book, uh, not watching the movie, 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.279 my mom went on this very dramatic vacation where she 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.679 bought several bathing suits for it. She went to St. Thomas. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.920 Uh So it was like a big thing that people 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.880 were talking about, and any time anyone dated a younger man, 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.160 it was like, oh, she's getting her groove back. So 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.800 this I didn't see it until this year, but it 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.760 was part of my world for twenty years before that. Sure, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.360 have you read the book at all? I have not 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.120 read the book. I am so interested in reading it 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.679 based on the background that we discussed before this recording happened, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.560 which we'll talk about a little bit later. Have you 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.880 read the book? I haven't read the book. I as 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.560 you know, I never read books. Well, this is this 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.440 is the this is the part where were we at 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.640 the box book cast famously remind our listeners that we 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.920 do not read the books books. I still think. I'm 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.680 I still carry so much trauma from how mad people 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.320 were after the Lord of the Rings episode, Like, we're 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.160 not a book podcast. I don't know what to say. 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.679 People were furious at us. A few people were furious 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.720 at us too for the Practical Magic episode. There was 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.000 a book. Just write that book. There is a book. 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.800 Who do we have to do an episode every week? 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.080 We can't be reading a full We don't have to. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.320 There's a free podcast. We don't like to take it 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.880 or leave it. Oh my god, it stresses me out. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.040 So it stresses me out so much. So just so 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.760 you know, we didn't read the book, did not read it. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.559 But I agree that they're rewatching the movie. Maybe want 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:44.000 to read the book, Jamie. What is your relationship with 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.760 the movie? Uh, this is I think I have this 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.320 experience with the number of movies we've covered before. I've 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.560 seen this movie, but I saw it like on TV, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.600 like tv as or T n T in chunks and 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.480 I never like really sat down and watched this movie 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.880 and really, um like took it all in at once. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.880 So um, this was my first time really like giving 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.400 this movie my full attention. I knew I was like 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.760 five when it came out, so I did, so I 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.760 don't remember. I know a lot of people like my mom. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.400 I saw it. I texted her, I was like, did 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.480 you see how Stell got her groove? Actually was like, oh, yeah, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.000 it was a bit. It was a night out with friend. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.880 I was like, okay, yeah, just loves a rom com 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.720 and this is you know, we're in the golden age 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.960 of rom coms here. So yeah, this was my first 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.559 time kind of really seeing it with full attention, and 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.280 I really loved it it really. I mean, I'm easily 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.200 emotionally manipulated, and this movie did take full advantage of 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:47.360 that at many points. But I love I loved watching it. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:52.720 Was It's such a fun, different, cool movie. What about you, Caitlin. Um, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.520 I had never seen this movie before prepping for this episode. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.559 I'll chalk it up to if you take the even 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:06.800 diagram of romantic movies, either like romantic comedies or romantic dramas, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.400 because this movie kind of falls somewhere in the middle 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.720 of that. It. Yeah, it switches tones at different moments. Yeah, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.560 for sure. That on like one circle of the Venn 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:23.200 diagram and then movies that Caitlin tends to watch and enjoy. Um, 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:29.920 there's very little overlap its Titanic Titanic center. Yes, and 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:38.360 it's maybe like Mulan Rouge and Before Sunrise and then 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:43.199 every other romantic drama or romantic movie really of any kind. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.160 Um is you know, I just probably haven't seen it 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.880 or don't care about it. So I had not seen 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.320 this movie, so I didn't really know what to expect. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.640 There's a lot to unpack, there's a lot to talk about. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.880 I can't wait. It's there's some goofy. There's some really 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:05.559 silly scenes that I can't wait to describe, and I'm 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.480 very excited, can't wait, can't wait? Should we just should 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.400 we dive into the recap and go from there? Yeah, 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.040 a lot happens in this Maybe a lot happens, and 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.240 yet there's sort of not a plot. Caitlyn thinks it's 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:23.040 too long. It's too it is too it's two hours long. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.800 It is I'm going to agree for a rob camp 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.840 for what yet? Condense all this? Yeah, it's definitely weighs 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.360 to tighten the story. Make it ninety minutes. I don't 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:39.000 know why it was two hours. Okay. So we meet Stella. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.439 That's Angela Bassett. Of course we see her at work. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:48.760 She does something with stocks or money or business. And 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:54.079 then and then the twist Victor Garber. Victor Garber is there, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.839 and really how Stella got her groove back comes out 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:03.840 in weren't you just in Titanic the year before this? Victor? 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.680 And he's like, yeah, He's like, I sure was any 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:14.040 questions if a movie involves water, the ocean, the planned 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.400 trip that goes awry, he doesn't even need to be 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:23.880 near the water, he just has, but he's there in spirit. Ye. Yes. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.520 The point is Stella has kind of like an important 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.800 high stress job and she's very good at it. Then 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.360 we meet Stella's sisters. Angela played by Susanne Douglas, who 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.240 I'm not super familiar with her or her work, um, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.400 But her other sister is Vanessa played by Regina King. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:46.640 Sach a funny Regina King performance. Yes, she's been doing 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:51.320 this for so long, she's so good big the other sister. Wow. 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.000 I mean you'll get to this with the recap, but 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:58.560 what a bit okay? She is worth noting that she 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.680 is highly gregnant in this film. She is Greek at 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:08.440 with twins, with two Greg's two little Greg's swimming around 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:14.000 in there. Um okay. So her sisters, especially Angela, is 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.920 trying to set Stella up with a man and Stella 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.600 is like, I'm okay, I'm good. We also learned that 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.280 Stella has an eleven year old son named Quincy, and 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.720 he goes off to spend a couple of weeks with 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.880 his dad, Stella's ex husband, Walter. And while he's gone, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:35.840 Stella sees a commercial for Jamaican tourism and which she 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.679 kind of like projects herself into the commercial and then 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.360 she's like, fuck it, I'm gonna call my best friend 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.440 Delilah played by Whoopie Goldberg, and she's like, let's go 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.440 to Jamaica and Delilah is like yes. So then cut 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:54.600 to their in Jamaica and I think it's their first 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.800 morning there. Uh. Stella is at a restaurant having breakfast 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.760 and suddenly Tay Diggs is there and he approaches her 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.920 and he's like, hello, good morning. My name is Winston Shakespeare. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.640 And she's like, okay, great name, great name, great name. Um, 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.160 which she's like, your name is fake. And he's like, well, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.760 what if Shakespeare was black? We don't know, which is 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.440 a very popular theory and it comes up all the time. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.640 It came out like this. There was another like wave 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.400 of that this past year. Oh really wait, I haven't 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:31.400 heard this before. Maybe this year. It's it's often discussed 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.120 that Shakespeare is black and that Beethoven is black. Maybe 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.120 that's what happened this year. I think the Beethoven one 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.960 came out this year. The Shakespeare thing I remember just 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.280 generally as a thing. It's a washing that he he 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.160 was part black. Maybe the shack he wrote the Sonnet 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.720 about was part black. It's oh interesting, I'm gonna have 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.160 to do some reading on this. Hell yeah. In any case, Uh, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:59.520 Winston is hot. Um big, very important, exact, really important 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.360 that we know that Winston is hot. I did write 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.400 that down. I was like, I just need to say 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.880 Taye Diggs, damn. That's all that. That's the note. He 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.160 looks great. This is like his career making role, right, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.200 This was like his big breakout role, his first feature 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.440 I think I think like he had already done in 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:21.040 rent On Broadway or something before this, yeah, mostly stage. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.560 Oh yeah, and then that's how he had met Idina Menzel, 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.480 right right right. Um. Also, I should say that my 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:33.760 first year of being on Twitter, which was like two, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:38.000 I spent the entire first year just trying to tweet 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:45.520 at ta Diggs to get him to follow me, because 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:51.080 he follows everybody. He follows more people than follow him. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.040 He has like some celebrities are just like what is 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.560 the strategy there? There were like articles written about it. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.440 I don't know if anyone remembers this, but like people 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.240 were righting and like commenting all the time about how 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.880 like people are like what is Taate Diggs doing on Twitter? 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.880 He just will follow anybody. He just so he was 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.200 following tons and tons of people and they weren't you 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.240 know that some of them were people with like no 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.160 other followers. Like he was just following anybody. So I 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.680 was like, I need him to follow me. So I 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.080 was just constantly tweeting either at him or about him, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.200 trying to get him to follow me, and it never happened. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.840 He's to this day, Wow, he only follows people who 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.920 like don't care. Yeah, I was trying too hard. I 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.400 guess he could have just set still. And now I'm like, 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.520 just Tate Diggs follow he doesn't he there's no way 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:45.560 that tatg s fellows me. But you never know that's true. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:51.240 I think I think we should listeners. Please help us 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:55.520 all get followed me Cannie Jamie. We all need to 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.200 be followed by Tay Diggs and we need your help, 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.880 so please. There's also so there's another Ta. I just 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:07.040 there's I saw Ta Diggs recently on television because I 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.320 shamefully watched Selling Sunset, and Ta Diggs is a very 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.280 present force on It's like a Netflix reality show about 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.760 this group of horrible women who sell real estate in 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.720 like better off of Sunset. So it's just like full 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.760 like remove your brain from your head TV. I I 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.919 enjoy it time to time. It's very silly, um, but 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.240 Taye Diggs is on the show buying a house in 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.040 the first season, and everyone's like his The central plot 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.320 of a whole episode is is Tate Diggs gonna buy 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.800 this really nice house? And then I forget if he does. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.639 But then in the next season and the next season, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.000 Tay Diggs is not physically there, but is present because 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.920 he seems to have had such a big, outsized influence 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.040 on season one of Selling Sunset that in season two 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:59.400 or possibly three, his ex girlfriend or his current girlfriend 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.240 at the time, I don't remember. All of a sudden, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.760 she's a cast member of Selling Sunset. I don't know 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.760 why t Diggs has as an influence over what happens 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:13.240 on Selling but permeated that show more than you'd think. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:18.480 He's a mystery that t Digs. Anyways, I'm a big fan. Yeah, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.800 good grief. Okay. So the point is that in the story, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:32.680 he is attractive, and he is twenty years old and 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:37.040 Stella is forty, and they figured this out right away 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.520 because he starts to hit on her and she's like, 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.840 how old are you even and he's like, I'm twenty 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.639 and she's like, cool, I am twice your age. Also 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:50.760 an amazing example of like, so infrequently do women get 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.600 to play their own age on screen, and Angela Bassett 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.760 is permitted to play her age in this movie. It's 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.200 I think that's so rare in awesome. Meanwhile, Tay Digs 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.119 is a little older than his character. I think he 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.600 was seven seven when he when this movie comes out 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.760 at least I think so. Anyway, he is not bothered 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.639 by the age difference, and he invites her to this 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:21.800 like pajama disco party that's happening that night, and she's like, um, thanks, 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.600 but no thanks. But then she goes to the dance 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.720 and they danced together all night, but she doesn't spend 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.560 the night with him. And Delilah WHOOPI Goldberg again. It 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.440 was like, Stella, why didn't you have sex with him? 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.960 Like what are you doing? You silly so and so? 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.879 And Stella is like, I don't know. He's like twenty 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.399 years younger than me. I don't know what I'm doing. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.040 And then the next day, Stella takes a dip in 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:53.879 the pool and Winston's like, Hi, I'm here again. We 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:59.280 got a bushemy test this movie. Yeah, although have you 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.280 seen pictures of a young Steve Bush? I feel like, yes, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:08.080 I had, And You're like, okay, I'm listening. I get it. Yes, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:13.080 mr man who's followed me to a pool? Yes, Well, 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.280 in the movie when she's like this pool scene, Danny 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.919 Glover was in the movie and all of his scenes 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.960 get cut, but remember the part where she's like help me. 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.040 There's this like old man over there trying to hit 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.520 on me. That's Danny Glover did not know, but they 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.520 cut everything except for that kind of like wide shot 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.960 where you can't even tell it. It's also because he's 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.320 like in old makeup. They like aged him up to 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.159 make him look older, um, so you can't tell that 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.199 it's him. But anyway, they cut all of his scenes. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.800 So she's like, this old guy is trying to hit 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.399 on me, and he's like, well, so am I And 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:52.800 she's like, what you're trying like someone doesn't like you 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.240 just danced with this man for six hours in a row. 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.399 When he when you arrived at the pajama party, he 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.399 stared directly at your breast for a while before looking 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.359 into your face to talk to you. And you're like, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:10.480 but you're attracted to me? What? It's so rom calm now, 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.119 it's so nineties rom calm. We're like the female leaders 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:19.760 like momum mum me. It's like duh, yes, right, even 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.000 though I mean when they met, he like comes over 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.440 to her and he's like, let's have breakfast together. You're 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.880 so beautiful party with me. Yeah, in the moment they meet, 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:33.040 but she is like not aware that he is hitting 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.520 on her because she's like, wait, you want to be 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:43.080 intimate with me? And he's like yeah, and she's like okay. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:49.000 So then cut too. They're in her hotel room and 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.440 she okay, I don't know how to describe this for 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.680 play that happens, but it's like it's awkward at first, 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.360 and then he thinks she's like in her bed, all 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.040 under the covers, lying completely still, so then he takes 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:08.840 off all of his clothes but surprised she's behind him, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.760 so she like jumps on him, and then they're like 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.240 and then a weird scene, but you're like, it's hot, 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.760 but it's weird. Yes, it's goofy, and then they and 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.920 then they have sex. But then and I was getting 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.159 a little confused by this because it seems like he 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.880 kind of blows her off, or she interprets it as 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.840 being blown off because he very suddenly gets a job 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.200 and he's like not available to hang out with her 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.240 the rest of this vacation. I mean, I mean I 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.840 I kind of interpreted it where she didn't believe that 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.480 he had gotten the job, and so she's like, I'm 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.600 being blown off and he made up an excuse to 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.040 not hang out with me. Yeah, that's what I thought. 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.880 She thought, Yeah, okay, it was like an insecurity thing. 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:55.640 But he did get a job. But he did get 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:57.600 a job. Yeah, he wasn't lying. I think she assumed 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.000 that he was making up an excuse to blow her off. 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:04.120 But I do have a quick question. She's staying at 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:08.560 a resort. Why is he at the resort? Great question, 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.360 Like he's there for breakfast and he's not working there. 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.080 He's just he has a hat, like he lives with 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:18.800 his family kind of close. Why is he there? Why 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:20.879 is he there? I thought that too. I did not 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.760 think that. Well, he does say at one point like 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.040 I'm here trying to get a job. So I don't 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.680 know if he's just sort of lingering by the resort 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.719 because he ends up getting a job in the kitchen 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.359 is like a chef. They're like, well, you seem to 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.200 be here a lot, so would you like a job? 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.480 That seems like something my mom would suggest though, like 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.200 for how to get a job, Well, you just going 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:48.080 there hanging out. See what happens the bound to do something? 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.760 You're there, So I mean that's how a lot of 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.280 comedy clubs like they're like, oh, well, if you want 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:55.920 to get booked here. You just have to spend your 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.719 entire life here and then we'll maybe think about booking you. 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.760 Maybe there's a guy named Josh that you got to 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.239 see him. He makes people laugh so much, so we're 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:09.840 gonna book him. But not you remember comedy, Okay? Um? 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.320 So anyway, she's like she's pissed that that. She thinks 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.200 like she's being blown off, and she goes back home 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.800 to San Francisco, where she gets fired from her job. 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.400 She's like, no, what am I gonna do? But then 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:27.399 she gets a call from Winston and he's like, I 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.240 miss you. Come back to Jamaica, and and then cut 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:35.399 to she's back, very unclear of I was like, I 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.800 was like, is it summer? Like it's okay that Quincy 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:43.520 is Quincy skipping school to the time of this movie. 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.080 The timing of this movie is not clear because she's like, hey, 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.479 I told Quincy maybe we'd go down for the summer. 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.240 Wait when was he with his dad? How long is 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.240 their relationship before They're like, we'll get to that stuff. 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:57.600 But it feels like this feels all very fast. In California, 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:01.560 you can't tell the weather, but what right, especially because 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.040 like and yeah, we'll get to this too. But like 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.359 he moves in with her at one point and it's like, 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:11.680 but you've only been hanging out for two nonconsecutive weeks, Like, yeah, 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:15.280 I don't know anyway, So she so she returns to Jamaica, 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.120 this time with her son and niece, so she's hanging 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.119 out with Winston. He introduced Stella to his parents, but 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.880 it doesn't go well, like his mom comments on Stella's age, 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.439 calls her desperate stuff like that, um, And then Stella 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:34.120 gets word that Delilah is having a medical emergency due 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:38.320 to cancer, which Stella didn't know Delilah had, So Stella 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:43.240 returns to the US. Delilah dies, Um, Winston shows up 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.439 at the funeral, and then he moves in with Stella 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:51.480 like they're now they're living together again. The timeline is 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:56.359 very unclear because because you get some idea of time 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:58.840 when you find out that Whoopie Goldberg has been in 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:03.840 the hospital for two weeks, but then you're like, well, what, 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.480 they don't live in the same place, so I don't know, 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:12.240 like you, it's very unclear, right, yeah, for sure, But 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.720 he's living with her now, and some issues arise in 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:21.359 their relationship. The age gap is weighing on Stella in particular. 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.920 Winston is kind of self conscious about not being as 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:29.040 financially secure as she is, and Stella is just kind 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.119 of overall feeling sort of aimless about her life and 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.680 her career. And then Winston asks Stella to marry him, 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.840 and she does not give an answer, and a week 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.919 or so passes and he's like, well, clearly I'm not 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.280 the man you want, so I'm just gonna I'm gonna 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.159 go back to Jamaica and go to medical school. So 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.080 he packs his things up and heads to the airport. 0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:56.560 But Stella beats him to the airport. We don't know 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.720 how good driver. There's a little okay, she's a jet. 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:05.320 There's a little throw away line from the radio broadcast 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.840 where we so we see Winston in the cab and 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.600 on the radio it's like, well, the one oh one 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.480 is is there's so much traffic, so if you're going 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.040 to the airport, good luck. But the two eighties, the 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:22.080 coast is clear, So apparently that lets the audience know 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:27.560 that Stella took that highway instead, and that's how she 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:32.399 beats him to the airport, because when he enters, she's 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.720 already there. She's looking around frantically and then they spot 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:40.000 each other and then she's like, yes, I will marry you, 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.200 and then they kiss and that's the end of the movie. 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.919 They're gonna live happily ever after. In my head, I'm like, 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:51.440 it's not gonna work out back the stress of him 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.080 being younger plus going through medical school. Also, are they 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:58.479 just given out admission into Stanford Medical? Like she's just like, 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.639 oh my god. What she was like, just go to 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:06.600 Stanford And she's like, Stanford has a medal school school, right, 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.359 why don't you just go there? No application, no waiting process, 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:15.400 no interviews. That's like a what That is a testament 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.359 to the power of Angela Bassett because when she said it, 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.920 I'm like, oh, yeah, why didn't he think of that 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:25.760 when that is objectively so ridiculous. Yeah, we're just like, oh, yeah, 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.480 that's what he'll do. Howevard's got a medical school there. 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.560 That was I was as because I forgot if they 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.800 get together at the end or not. And so after 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.800 they broke up, just when he's like, I'm going to 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.600 go to middle school school, I was sitting next to 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.560 my boyfriend and I was like, but there's doctors in 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:48.880 America don't go like and Angela Basset felt the same way, 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:54.240 because that's what Stella says. Well, let's take a quick 0:28:54.240 --> 0:29:03.280 break and then we'll come back to discuss and we're back. 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:11.440 Uh where where to begin with? I feel like, so okay, 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.560 just to I guess contextualize when this movie came out, 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.800 I feel like this movie falls squarely in kind of 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:21.160 the golden age of rom com movies, where it's like 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.480 the nineties into the mid two thousand's. It's kind of 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.920 a ten year period where problematic rom coms are just 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:32.240 several times a year. There are many actresses associated with 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:36.880 the genre, but this is, like I now, especially after 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:41.120 rewatching it, I think for all of the silly things 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:44.080 that we're going to talk about, of which there are many, 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.719 I think it's one of the best, and it's one 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.880 of the most like grounded, interested in its main characters, 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.240 interested in subverting what you kind of think about this 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.880 genre while also doing a lot of silly things associated 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:04.320 with this genre. Agree yeah, Like there's she sets boundaries 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.800 in this movie in a way that I'm like, hell yeah, 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:08.880 Like I don't feel like a lot of characters in 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.320 rom coms are like, actually, I don't like you talk 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.520 to me like this and this is a clear issue 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.920 and let's have a discussion about it. It's like, for 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.440 some reason I made up in my head that you're 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.200 cheating on me, and now we're fighting. Like the a 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.680 lot of the disagreements that they have seemed justified in like, uh, 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:29.480 we set boundaries, oh, misunderstanding sort of way. Yeah. I 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.479 love that she That's like one of the best things 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.760 that you you never see if you see a woman 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.760 in a round com set a boundary, it's almost as like, 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:40.920 I feel like it's framed as like a challenge to 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.440 cross it, and it's no means yes situation which we 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.560 see in round comms all the time of like stay 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.640 away from me, Titanic, stay away from me, and then 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.920 he's shows up and then she's like, you're right, I 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:58.360 love you, and I don't know. I like that Stella. 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:00.760 By and large, there's a few moments where you're like, 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:05.280 what happened there? Uh? But I like that Stella is 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.800 I mean, not just setting boundaries with Winston, kind of 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:13.080 setting boundaries with everyone. She sets boundaries with her sisters, 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:18.719 especially Angela deserves it, who deserves it? But even Angela 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.880 kind of has that moment of like they have an 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.840 actual discussion and Angela I was, I was like, is 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:27.120 she going to be like a shrewd character? But then 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.200 she has a moment of they have a moment of 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.280 understanding and apology, and you can sort of understand why 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:37.480 Angela's worried about Stella, but also it's like, why are 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:43.320 you behaving so rudely? But yeah, she sets boundaries that 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.520 should not be revolutionary and around calm, but it is, 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.880 especially because I mean, I don't know still even how 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:55.480 much I would classify this as a rum calm, because 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.640 I mean there are humorous starts this one. Yeah, and 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.280 it takes a little bit of a tonal shift, especially 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:06.200 when Whoopie Goldberg dies. Okay, that did not need to 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.720 happen at all, not at all. I think that, well, 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.960 I think it happens because this is kind of loosely 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:18.720 autobiographical for Terry McMillan, which we'll talk about more. But um, 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:23.640 she mentions in some interview that I watched that around 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.920 this time in her life her best friend died, so 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.600 I think she just incorporated that into this story, but 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:35.200 doesn't make sense for what else happens. In the movie, 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:41.400 I don't know, maybe not, but I mean a lot 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.640 of rom coms there's like a very kind of tried 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:49.160 and true structure where it's like either um, they're usually 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.320 very hetero. So it's like the man and the woman 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:55.320 can't be together because they start out hating each other, 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.880 or they're starting to fall in love, but one of 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.960 them has lied to the other one about something very 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.800 significant and they'll have to come clean by you know, 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:07.880 the end of the second act, and what is that 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:12.000 going to mean for their relationship? So these are the formulas. 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:16.360 So this this movie doesn't fall into that formula at all. 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.760 It's more just like here, here's a woman who knows 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:23.200 what she wants, who's already very established in her life 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.640 because she's forty, she's a mother, and she has her 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:34.240 ship together. And then along comes Winston Shakespeare who is 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:40.120 just too hot to ignore and and he like worships her, 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.479 and she's just like, Okay, you know what I deserve this. 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:48.160 I deserve someone who likes me and who cares about me. 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:52.560 And even though do they have anything in common, they don't. 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:58.160 They don't, but you know, they mostly get along and 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:01.360 they're very attracted to each other here. So that's why 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:08.120 they're together. I guess, yeah, I mean, whether they are, 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:10.640 I mean, it's it's one of those things where I 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:15.239 think it speaks to how ingrained this kind of format is, 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.520 where it's like, even if you pretty much know it 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.960 doesn't make sense and a breakup between them is probably 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.480 healthier for both of them, and they basically almost make 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.680 the practical decision. You would be so upset of that 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:33.239 and kiss at the end because it's a movie, but 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.960 like realistically this would um most likely not work out. 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.279 But I under I mean again, it's like going into 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.680 the autobiographical stuff, which I guess we should just sort 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:48.400 of address at the top. So, um, this movie was 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.640 based on a novel by Terry McMillan, who we have 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.040 discussed on the show before because she's also the author 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.640 and co screenwriter of Waiting to Exhale. She is and 0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:03.000 I con of this era and now she's still writing. 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.440 She has like some fun quotes that I want to 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.400 go to for an interview she did this year. Um, 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.880 But why her personal life is relevant to this is 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.880 because a lot of it is pulled from her own 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:20.480 life directly, where she went on a vacation in her 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.680 early forties, met a man who was twenty year in 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.799 his early twenties and they got married and so like 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.799 she lived out the full house, Della got her groove 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:33.719 up back narrative at least, and and you know in 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:38.799 n this is reflective of her full experience where they 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.520 get married and Terry McMillan got married to what was 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.759 his name, his name Jonathan Plumber, Jonathan Plummer. So they 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.800 do get married and as of nine they are married 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:55.279 and it's all good, and later on it became and 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.719 I guess, I guess like I only feel comfortable talking 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.759 about this because she was very public about discussing it 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.520 and even as of this year, was like, yeah, no regrets. 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:09.080 But so it turned out that their relationship was kind 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:14.840 of built on a lot of asterisks in that he 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.000 was a gay man and that he married her to 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.440 get I mean it was she said, and then he 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.960 sort of said it was to get a green card. 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:29.319 So their marriage fell apart in the early to mid 0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:33.800 two thousands, Terry McMillan went, there's two different Oprah episodes 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:38.000 about it. It's all very of the era where Caitlin 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.520 and I both watched through the interviews where the first episode, 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.680 she goes on Oprah and she's like, I feel so betrayed. 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.399 I feel like, what is happening? This is so, this 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.520 is like horrible, which, yeah, that sounds like a very 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:52.000 interest experience. Yeah, but she goes on Oprah to be 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:55.160 like what the fuck? And then like five years after that, 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:59.600 she and Christopher or not Christopher Plumber. Oh my god, Monathan, 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.600 I would love Christopher Flummer just you know, when you're 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:08.480 like trying so hard not to make a mistake and 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.720 then you just make it. Um the sound of music, 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:15.200 How Stella Gotta Grow Back right there, one after the other, 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.359 boom boom, his biggest legacy, it was got The love 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:21.200 story between Terry McMillan and Christopher Plummer didn't end well. Um, 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.920 So she and her ex husband Jonathan Plummer go on 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:30.000 Oprah like five is years after that in and everything 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.680 is kind of cool. But they discussed their experience to 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:36.839 hear both perspectives, and that's kind of like a wrap on, 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.120 you know, because How Stella Gotta Grow Back is so autobiographical. 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.040 I guess that's how it really would have ended. But 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:48.000 this movie was made in and we didn't know what 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.839 Terry McMillan would come to know it a later time, right. 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.520 But that said Terry McMillan, I know we discussed her 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:59.359 on the Waiting to Xcale episode, but she's bucking awesome. Um. 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:04.000 She's an iconic black writer who also made the jump 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.640 into adapting her own work, which I feel like is 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:11.600 very rare. She she adapts it with and we all 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:13.919 I'm going to just breathe through it because we talked 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:18.560 about it on the other episode. She partners with Ron Bass, 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.640 who is like kind of a controversial white male screenwriter 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.440 who I don't I mean, make of him what you will. 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.440 I guess He's written a lot, He's co written a 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:33.200 lot of wonderful movies. He seems often paired with a 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:37.080 first time or less experienced screenwriter, but he is very 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:40.279 for us, straight says hat white guy. He is very 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:47.000 often writing on projects that are about marginalized communities, which 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.720 I don't know, I mean. He co wrote rain Man, 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.840 He adapted The Joy Luck Club with Amy Tan who 0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.200 was the original and who is the author of the novel, 0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:00.640 and then he adapted Waiting the Exhale and Stella got 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:04.799 her groove back with Terry McMillan, there's also like a 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.759 side controversy where there's it's speculated that all of his 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:13.239 screenplays are sort of written by his female assistance. That's 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:17.759 the whole thing. He seems somewhat controversial, but there's not 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.239 a ton written about him. I wasn't really able to 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:25.839 land anywhere. It's all a little sus to me. Terry 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.960 McMillan at least liked him enough to collaborate with him 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.960 a second time. This is the second collaboration, so I 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:38.040 don't know, let's ignore him. Terry McMillan is awesome. Yeah, 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.600 this is like partially based on her life. Yes, just 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.080 kind of two piggyback a little bit more on her 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.040 and her kind of like legacy and stuff, and that 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.080 we can kind of get back more into the specifics 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:56.120 of Stella. I was reading an article from The Guardian 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.719 entitled it was just sort of like um kind of 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:03.080 profiling Hurts and titled novelist Terry McMillan on Love, Death 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:08.960 and Dirty Secrets. They describe the Terry McMillan affect uh quote, 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:12.680 a phrase some used to describe the publishing industry discovering 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:17.319 how starved for relatable stories Black women are or were 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:22.240 which is like very I mean, Terry McMillan has written 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:26.680 like a few of only a small handful of movies 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.960 about like that celebrate like black womanhood and that like 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:35.239 celebrate black female friendship. And again like I mean we 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.200 talked about this on the Set It Off episode where 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.879 there's only like as far as like kind of more 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:43.279 mainstream movies go there, there's like a Girl's Trip, there's 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.520 waiting to exhale as far as like an ensemble cast 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:51.520 of black women like and their story, like there's just 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.560 so little so um yeah, I mean and and and 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.920 Terry McMillan and her work has like contributed to what 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:02.640 little there is is are is like cinematic stories, so 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.000 we are we are grateful for that. Um but yeah, 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.279 I mean it does. It goes to show how how 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.200 few of these types of stories there are. You know, 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:17.279 audiences want more and studios keep just not making enough. 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.279 I will say HBO makes stories for black women in 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.759 a way that I'm like, guys, look how well these 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.080 shows are doing for HBO. Just like I'm not even 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.640 asking you to be good people, just make a good 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:33.600 financial decision, Like all the black women I know watch TV, 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.520 if they watch movies, They go out, they do things, 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:38.640 they give money to black stuff. All you have to 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.200 do is make black stuff. Some of it is not good, 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.080 but we are still going to buy it, just like 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.560 it makes good economic sense because we're like, yes, that 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:48.640 is me, thank you, thank you. I don't have to 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.640 mentally put myself in the body of a blonde, thin, 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.480 white woman who's younger than me to have a story. 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.480 Thank you, Okay, please give this to me. Yeah, And 0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.400 that's only I feel like that's been in pretty recent 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:05.160 years to things secure and yeah, and prior to that, 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.160 it was just like, well, let's give another you know, 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:12.680 white blonde person a show. Yeah, there's a lot of 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.480 Terry McMillan in the screenplay. It's hard to not bring 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:19.160 her up every two seconds. But she also speaks to 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.839 another thing that I think how Stella got a group 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:27.640 that kind of deviates from your cookie cutter romantic movie 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.560 from the late nineties um which is addressing an age 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.640 gap in text at all, especially an age gap where 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:40.440 the woman in the relationship is older. She spoke about 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.520 this in an interview this year where she just says, quote, 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.360 nobody talked about it back then, meaning age gaps and 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.399 she's like, at the time, for women dating a younger 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:54.400 man felt like a dirty secret. And so she's like, directly, 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:56.680 I mean, not only because it sounds like she got 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.840 a fair amount of blowback about an age gap in 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.799 her her own life, but also because it's like, well, 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.560 if she was feeling this way, she guessed correctly that 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.799 other women were feeling this way, and she'd never seen 0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:11.680 it addressed in a in a large way that doesn't 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:15.480 bring a lot of that examines it without like casting shame. 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:20.600 I don't know, it's awesome. Well, let's let's let's talk 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:24.040 about this, the age gap in this movie, and kind 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.320 of I mean, we've talked at length on the podcast 0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:31.839 about double standards when it comes to just kind of 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:36.279 romance across the board, for like hetero relationships in particular, 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:41.759 where it is deemed as being socially acceptable or more 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:46.359 socially acceptable for an older man to date a far 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:52.720 younger woman, whereas, uh, if an older woman is dating 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.719 a younger man, a lot of people take a lot 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.600 of issue with it for reasons that are of course 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:03.480 rooted in setism and agism. You know, society not finding 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:08.520 value in older women, society having rigid beauty standards that 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:14.400 glorify youth and demonize the natural process of aging. Uh, 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.400 you know, just reasons like that. And so in the 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:22.120 movie we see you know it's it's Stella is forty, 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:27.040 Winston is twenty. He has just finished his like four 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:31.239 year college degree in biology. He's kind of gearing up 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.520 to maybe go to med school, but he also doesn't 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:36.040 know if that's what he wants. So that's where he's 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:41.160 at in his life. Whereas Stella is established in her career, 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.880 which she does get fired from later, but at the 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.800 beginning of that, I will say, is like and I 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.520 think it's also seen in Waiting to Exhale, there's this 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.960 of the nineties. There's this like respectable black woman and 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.640 like she's got to be hyper competent, and they really 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.600 like she's on the phone with like three different people. 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.120 She's like telling a white assistant that she needs to 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:05.799 go do this and that and the other. It is 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:10.399 this competency porn that like informs how I was like, Oh, 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:11.799 this is how I'm going to be when I'm forty. 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:13.560 Oh my god, that's like this is what being an 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:17.359 adult is. Uh yeah, it's I'm happy that we're moving 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.080 away from that because that's very hard to both achieve 0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:24.879 and maintain. But sure, yeah, yeah, but it needs it 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.480 was nice to see that when I was growing up. 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:31.160 Sure yeah. And and like it is like an unfair standard. Yeah, 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:35.279 because like you know, black women can be mediocre to 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.719 like they don't have to be like they don't have 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.960 to be these like rich awesome stockbrokers, can be semi 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.879 unemployed comedians. Yes, we can do it all. Just show 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:48.959 us doing all the things. Yes, thank you, Oh my god, 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.399 that that scene. I was I mean I was back 0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:55.640 and forth on that because I totally see what you're 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.800 saying there. I And but this is also the most 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.200 I've ever seen a one and do her job and 0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:05.360 us understand what her job is in a romance movie, 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.480 where usually it's like, Hi, I'm a curator. Don't ask 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:11.560 me why I'm interested in this or how I got 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.440 this job. I'm a curator. I'm a baker, and it's 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.400 like you don't know what their passion is and you 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.040 don't know, Yeah I don't, but but that that there 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.880 are two that's a it's a double edged sword where 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.480 I hadn't even considered that they're bringing it up, not 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.960 for no reason, and yeah, and I think there's a 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:32.520 whole other conversation to be had about her career and 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:37.800 her interests in making furniture. Um, so I won't dive 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:39.960 into that too much yet. So back to the kind 0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:44.560 of age gap thing where so Winston approaches her. There's 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.719 never any like I'm reminded of like an episode of 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:51.600 thirty Rock, where like Tina Fay starts dating a much 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:55.280 younger man but they're both lying about their age because 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.440 it's like, oh no, so she's pretending to be like 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.120 thirty even though she's like thirty eight or something, and 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:06.320 he's pretending to be even though he's twenty. So there's 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:08.920 nothing like that in this story and how Stella got 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:12.680 her grow back. They are both extremely upfront about their 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:17.600 age right off the bat. Winston doesn't seem to have 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.359 an issue with it at all. He learns how old 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.960 she is, and he does say some stuff that he 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.439 thinks is a compliment, and it's not a compliment because 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:29.160 he's like, you're forty. You're too hot to be forty, 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.880 because forty year old people look like shit, is what 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:36.799 he's Yeah, he's like, I've never seen a forty year 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.520 old woman look as beautiful as you, and it's like, 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:42.120 I know you think you're complimenting her, but that's not 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:45.680 a compliment. Um anyway, you don't need to tear down 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.520 every other forty or your old woman that's ever existed 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:52.719 in the process, right um. In any case, they're both 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.399 made aware of each other's age right off the bat, 0:47:55.600 --> 0:48:00.840 and it is something that um Stella especially struggles. She's 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.600 getting flak from nearly everybody in her life about it. 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:09.839 Her sister, especially Angela, is like, you cradle Robert. Delilah 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.800 teases her about it, although Delilah is also like, police 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.680 have sex with him immediately. Yeah, she's very supportive in 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:21.920 a short term sense. At first she's supportive of a fling, 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:25.239 and then when it becomes a relationship, she dies. We 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:32.680 don't really know, because she dies, it kills her. I do, 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.239 I do kind of. I mean I think that I 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:37.720 don't know. There's good parts of how this is handled 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.359 in bad parts. I feel like the fact that the 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:44.680 age gap is discussed so much, taking the autobiographical elements 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:48.120 out of it and just viewing strictly as story. The 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.560 fact to me that they are constantly talking about the 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.360 age gap has a lot to do with the gender 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:58.720 dynamics at play here, because we see in movies all 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:03.280 the time, uh, male lead who has a much younger 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:06.240 who has a twenty year age gap or more with 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.279 a female love interest, and most of the time it's 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.680 not even addressed, or if it is addressed, it's addressed 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:16.120 through a joke or some kind of like whatever. But 0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:20.799 it's like it's a non issue. Where in those relationships 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.400 as well, age gap is like for sure. I mean, 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.880 I'm like, I'm like, how does Leonardo DiCaprio connect with 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:30.760 his girlfriends? I don't know, what do they talk about? 0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:34.520 What did they there's such a I feel like we've 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:36.400 maybe brought it up before. But there's a really funny 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:40.920 clip of Leonardo DiCaprio knowing exactly what happens in season 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.320 one of Euphoria, and it's fully because he only dates 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:47.839 twenty two year olds that watch Euphoria. But he's like, yeah, 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:51.359 as it as Euphoria season one, episode five famously said, 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:55.000 I'm like, oh, your girlfriends are so young. Um, He's like, 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.640 my girlfriend was born the year Titanic came out, And 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:03.279 you're like often times, in any case, we're I'm not 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:06.919 here to like cast a ton of judgment on relationships 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:10.520 with age gaps. What I'm saying is that it does 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:15.040 feel very intentional, that it's when there is an older 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.640 woman and a younger man that it has brought up 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:21.160 constantly and brought up to shame her versus I think 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.840 when you we see it in the reverse, it's like hell, yeah, dude, 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:27.440 Like look what you did. So that's like a really 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:31.200 real thing where we've seen it in like pop culture 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.359 a ton where it's like they're kind of like mother 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:38.839 than like they're cougars, they're like predators, they're blah blah 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:43.879 blah town. Do you guys think that she would be 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:46.480 as villainized and do you think that some of the 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.160 plot points of this would go away if he happened 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.719 to be a rich twenty year old Oh, Because like 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:54.960 the thing that initiates some of their fights is like 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.520 what he can afford, what he can't afford, what he's 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.160 had access to, what he has had access to. Like 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:03.759 when she's on the phone talking to wi Be Goldberg, 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:06.160 when she goes down to Jamaica a second time, she's like, 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.719 he hasn't really done anything, and he hasn't traveled anywhere. 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.759 Should we just be dating rich twenty year olds, I guess, 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:15.279 is my question. It makes you think there is kind 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:18.600 of a class thing. But also like he's the son 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:22.319 of a surgeon, so he's not actually poor. He just 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:26.120 like isn't making any of his own money really at 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:31.800 this point. So it's yeah, I don't it's weird. Yeah, okay, 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.200 I'm not sure. I just want an excuse I have 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:38.000 this man on a lot now, I'm kidding. I No, 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.120 I mean that is like a class is I mean, 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:44.960 can you you already started discussing it? But like class 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:48.759 is a thing in this movie that it isn't. It's 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:52.319 only brought up kind of in one scene, kind of 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:57.760 where scene I really like where Stella is talking about 0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:00.720 why does she work in the job she wants? And 0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:03.719 it's not because it's something she was passionate about. She 0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:08.600 was passionate about furniture question mark. But that did feel 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.200 so tacked on. You're like, okay, sure, yeah, she likes furniture. 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:16.320 I've ever seen a passion for furniture in a romantic 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:21.200 movie before, so I guess that's new groundbreaking. Yeah, but 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:24.000 I like the scene where she's talking about, well, I 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:26.239 didn't take this job because I felt passionately about it. 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:30.000 I took it because, like my mom was passionate about 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:33.680 me being lifted out of poverty. And that is a 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:37.920 really powerful, potent conversation that is really only kind of 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:42.759 addressed through the furniture storyline, but it is. It's like 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:47.000 she's she has I mean, look at her house. Yeah, 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:51.000 that's a nice she has money, and my apartment could 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:54.320 fit in her furniture studio, and I'm just like, wow, okay, 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.200 cocoo coockoo coo, you just have my apartment to sitting 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.959 behind your house unused. You haven't been back there in years? 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:05.800 Is okay? Interesting? Okay, Yeah, there's uh, poor people don't 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.279 really come into play in this movie at all, which 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:12.040 is kind of to me. Compounded and the fact that 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.560 it takes place at or a lot of it takes 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:19.319 place at a like resort, which are famously exploitative, like 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:25.480 take from poor people and so yeah, class this genre 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:31.960 just doesn't like to acknowledge poor people. Yeah, really, like, 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:34.719 for all the things that this movie does, right, that 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:36.800 is not one of them. Yeah. The closest thing I 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.799 think would be like Regina King needs to borrow three 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:44.440 hundred dollars because she has a job, but it's a 0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:46.920 lower paying job and she doesn't seem to be earning 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:50.400 enough to make ends meet. But she drives an ambulance, 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:53.360 which those are some of the funniest parts of the movie. 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:57.240 Someone's being loaded into the ambulance clearly having a medical 0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:59.839 emergency and they're like, come on, let's go, and she's like, 0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:04.520 in a minute, I'm on the phone because she didn't 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.680 get you so funny all the time, she's been funny. 0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:11.080 She can do funny everywhere. But yeah, they do kind 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:14.439 of like they don't even address it. But when when 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:18.359 Stella goes and meets Winston's parents and she's trying to 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:21.080 be nice because she since is the situation is awkward, 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.160 She's like, oh, can I help with anything, and the 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:26.520 mom very quickly asserts the workers can do that. It 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.520 was just like this weird thing that's like no, no, no no, 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.920 we're wealthy, like and it seems like she was playing 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:34.839 with class in that moment too, because I don't think 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.960 she knows that Stella is like a wealthy person. It 0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:41.320 was just like it was this weird like, let's constantly 0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:44.920 shift the dynamics so that you are not comfortable and 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:48.640 then the rest of that scene is Winston's mom being like, 0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:55.520 you pathetic piece of ship dating my son, which brings 0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:59.000 us back to the the age gap thing where like, yeah, Jamie, 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.000 you were saying, we're not here to like shame people 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:06.040 in relationships that have an age gap. No, And in fact, 0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:09.200 it's like, I'm fully supportive of that. They should like 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.520 if this is a relationship they want they like each other, 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:16.279 like yeah, yeah, who are their families and friends to 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.920 be like this isn't okay? It's just the I think 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:21.400 it's just the amount of discussion that's had about it 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:26.120 that is, but that it's like it's indicative, and yeah, 0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:28.960 it gets talked about a lot in this movie, but 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:34.320 that's only because it is very much mirroring how society 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:38.600 feels about this dynamic of the older woman and the 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:42.959 younger man, and like Stella has been conditioned to think 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.319 like this isn't okay, Like what am I doing? And 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:48.759 then Winston's just like I don't give a ship like 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:54.600 I love you, um so, but yeah, it's just it is. Yeah, 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.520 it's just interesting. It's kind of just worth noting that 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:02.200 so much of their conversations or about there's a when 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:04.000 he's in the pool. He was like, say it a 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.239 three million times that way, I never have to hear 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:08.600 it again about how you're twenty years older than me. 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.360 Like he keeps trying to get her to get it 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:13.759 out of her system because he's like, I don't care 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.799 as much as you do, and she's like, ah, but yeah, 0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:18.880 it's only because like she is a product of her 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:23.399 environment of like living in a society where people don't 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:28.840 deem it acceptable for older women to be romantic prospects 0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:32.279 or to be sexually viable, even though Angela Bassett is 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:38.520 the most beautiful woman on the planet, Like I want, okay, 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.520 I have six years to get to like she's forty, right, 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.120 Like someone's like, you look good for forty, she looks 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:47.080 good for all time, And I have six years to 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:48.880 get to that level if I'm going to meet Like 0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:51.719 my mental projection of what forty looks like it is 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:55.800 in fury. I just Angela Bassett to me all time. 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:59.640 Like if I if I would write a movie about myself, 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:02.640 I would cast Angela Bassett as me today. I just 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.799 she's If you had the choice, you'd be like, yes, 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:07.839 Angela Bassett, I wanted to look like I can punch 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:10.800 someone in the face, like with barely moving my fans, 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.640 She's got the best, Like I just I love her 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:18.800 so much. Okay, skin is flawless. Her arms, her arms, 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:21.480 her arms, shoulder combination puts some Michelle Obama to shame. 0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:29.000 And it's glorious. Everyone in this movie is unconscionably beautiful. 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:36.160 Like it's just it's it's rude, It's just it's yeah, 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:39.520 Like it's also I kept getting confused because I'm like 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:42.880 Angela Bassett and then also a character named Angela, how 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:46.800 dare you like, I don't do that? That's rude, passive aggressive. 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:49.600 But also I'm like, I guess you know, Terry McMillan 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:51.440 didn't know Angela Bassett was going to be in it, 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.960 but she should have should have. Yeah, the way that 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:58.080 people react, I mean, it's especially that scene with with 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:02.160 Winston's mother where that was a scene I didn't like, 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:07.840 where I know that Winston's mom is reflecting the judgment 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:11.280 of society at large on relationships where there's an older 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:13.840 woman and a younger man. But I also I didn't 0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:18.080 like how anyone handled that scene really because in my head, 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:21.080 and I mean, I'm like, I who am I to 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:23.880 tell Stella what she should have done. But it's like 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.440 Stella has a young son herself, and I felt like 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.760 there was a meeting ground in that conversation where she's like, Okay, 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.040 I understand why you would worry about your son. I 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:35.160 also have a young son, but like, please consider that 0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:37.440 your son is an adult and is making choice and like, 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:40.520 but the framing of his mother is just kind of 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:44.480 like truly like a one line of dialogue shrew like character. 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:48.360 And then we don't even she's never discussed again, Like 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:52.760 it never comes up again. Who's paying for his medical school? 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:56.200 I just like, did they cut him off? After that? 0:58:56.320 --> 0:59:00.440 It doesn't seem like it. And then after Winston, his 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:04.480 mom completely rails against Stella. She's like outside and she's 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:06.640 like I've never been more humiliated in my life. And 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:10.680 Winston's like, don't you think you might be overreacting? And 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:13.360 she's like, no, she said all these things to me 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:16.800 and then granted, like a few seconds later, he's like, yeah, 0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:20.080 that was out of line. I'm sorry, Like but he's 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:23.480 just like, I'm you're overreacting and it's like, um no, 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:27.040 she's not. Uh let's take another quick break, and then 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:35.200 we will come right back for a more discussion. Well, 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:38.680 something I just wanted to bring up briefly because just 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:44.000 for fear of sounding hypocritical, because depending on when this 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:48.320 episode gets released, we will either have just released or 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:51.360 are about to release an episode on the movie ghost World. 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:56.080 And in that movie, there's a relationship between a an 0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:59.880 eighteen year old girl and a forty one year old man, 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.240 and I think is how those ages break down and 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:06.480 and the age gap is brought up more than which 1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:08.800 I mean to give it the smallest amount of credit, 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:12.080 at least the age gap is addressed. Where did in 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:15.520 that kind of relationship It wouldn't even be referenced, right 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:18.960 And then so in that episode, we took a big 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:23.240 issue with the fact that, like, this sexual relationship happens 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:27.920 between this very young woman and an older man, whereas 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:31.320 on this episode, I'm like, yes, Stella, get it, go 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:34.439 have sex of day digs who cares at these twenty 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:36.520 years younger than you? And I think that has a 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.880 lot to do with So if you're like Caitlin, you're 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.880 being a hypocrite. But in my defense, um, I feel 1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:44.720 like it has a lot to do with how each 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:50.120 of these movies frame those relationships because the the age 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:52.520 gap in the kind of the ages of these characters 1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:55.760 are all pretty similar between these two movies, but the 1:00:55.800 --> 1:01:00.280 circumstances are different enough. Where thora Birch's character is still 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:03.880 a teenager, she's only just graduated high school, she's still 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:08.360 taking a high school art class, whereas Winston is not 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:11.480 a teenager. He's a few years older and more mature. 1:01:12.000 --> 1:01:15.760 He has finished college, he's in his twenties. So I know, 1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:18.200 I mean, I'm I feel conflicted about this because like, 1:01:18.240 --> 1:01:20.640 on one hand, I'm like, yeah, Stella, like, go have 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:23.840 sex with Ta Diggs, And then I'm like Steve BOUSHEMI 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:28.240 get away from Thora Birch. Yeah, I think definitely, everyone 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:29.800 go back to that episode if you want to hear 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.200 more about it. I feel the same thing. I mean, 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:34.680 I don't know. I think this movie, by and large, 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.600 I agree that Diggs is not fully mature, but is 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:43.880 more mature than thora Birch's character, and ghost World putting 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.000 one against the other I don't think really makes sense 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:50.520 because they're really different relationships, yeah, and really different characters 1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:54.040 who are in different stages of life. But in any case, yes, 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:57.400 there's a lot that I like. I I do like 1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:01.880 that this movie addresses his age gaps and kind of 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:04.160 I mean in some that you could view as kind 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:06.800 of dismissive of the younger person, where it's like there's 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:09.440 Coco pups in my bed, he wants to watch the 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.680 Lion King here. There were a couple of things that 1:02:11.800 --> 1:02:14.200 I was like, this doesn't feel consistent where it was 1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:16.439 like the Coco pups in the bed. During the call 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:18.480 when he's like you should come back to Jamaica, He's 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:21.240 very serious until this weird it felt tacked on thing 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:23.480 where he's like and can you bring junk food? Like 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:27.840 the cocoa puss, Like all that stuff just makes it like, okay, 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:29.960 you guys wanted to emphasize that he was young, but 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:33.960 like that that felt very tacked on for sure. Yeah. 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:37.120 That that like I was like, what, he's an adult, 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:40.200 he has a job, he has a biology degree. Why 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:42.280 isn't it And it's like, I mean, who among us 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:48.320 doesn't want us sometimes the Lion King? That's fair, I thought. 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:51.160 The best the best way this was tackled was in 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:54.120 the movie theater scene where he wanted to see kind 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:56.520 of I guess like a movie that skewed very young 1:02:56.840 --> 1:02:59.720 that was like she didn't she didn't think was good. 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:05.280 And then they run into her gregnant sister and her 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:09.400 gregnant sisters like Judge has been in friends and they're like, oh, 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:12.000 did you like that? The ending was so sad, and 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:15.640 Stella was embarrassed to be like I saw this movie 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:22.040 for teenagers and they were like, oh, Stella, that's wild 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:25.600 to me that. Yeah, you know, like who would be like, oh, 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:29.600 actually I didn't see like I didn't see Schindler's List. 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:31.840 I saw my big fact Greek wedding. And then people 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:35.960 are like, wow, what's wrong with you? Like how you fall? 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:40.720 Young people see serious movies and older people see movies 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:44.960 that are fun. Yeah, I think it was. It was 1:03:45.040 --> 1:03:47.440 like it was just that they went to a comedy 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:51.160 and then her sister Angela was like, oh you saw 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:56.040 a comedy. Also, that scene is so weird because there's 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:59.320 this guy whose name either his name is Judge or 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:02.440 his jaw is that he's a Judge. I'm not sure, 1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:09.720 but he's Judge Red Judge Reinald is there. This is 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:13.280 the guy who Angela had previously tried to set Stella 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:16.080 up with before, who had called her. But then you know, 1:04:16.120 --> 1:04:18.040 it all fizzles out when she starts having sex with 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:21.360 Tay Digs. But he's there and he seems to be 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:25.000 with another woman on a date. But he's like, Stella, 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:29.680 let's get together sometime, let's go running, and and she's 1:04:29.920 --> 1:04:33.600 his date is framed to seem very frigid, but I'm like, no, 1:04:33.840 --> 1:04:38.360 she's totally right. Like he's he's asking another one out 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:40.560 in front of her when he's on a date with 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:45.919 this this other woman. Weird. Um, yes, weird. There's there's 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:48.760 a few other really silly scenes to me, the four 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:52.240 play scene where like Winston like tries to flirt with 1:04:52.280 --> 1:04:54.560 her by like putting ice on her back, and then 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:56.840 Stella like freaks out and he's like, oh, I'm going 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:58.840 to go to the bathroom. And then when he comes back, 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:01.960 he sees what I guess she had like deliberately like 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:04.040 made it so it looked like she was lying in 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:07.720 the bed all covered up completely still, and he's like, well, 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:10.640 I better take off my clothes then, and then she 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:13.560 pounces on him from behind and then it's like all 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:16.880 flirty again. I was like, I'm not sure whose four 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.920 plague goes like this and if it's effective and if 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:22.120 it works for you, fine, but I was just like, 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:26.439 what is happening. I definitely felt that is a thing 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:29.160 that he read in a book or a magazine, like, oh, 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:32.440 you gotta try this sex move, women love it. And 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:34.520 when he did that, and she's like, I swear to 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:38.680 God you ever in your life. Also, this is a 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:41.280 question that you guys probably asked later, But like, I 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:44.520 know very few twenty year olds now who would have 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:47.640 the confidence to be like, Hey, you're a lady and 1:05:47.720 --> 1:05:49.880 I like looking at you, and we should hang out 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:53.960 more even though you're a stranger, and I will continue 1:05:54.080 --> 1:05:55.720 to hit on you even when you say you're not 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.120 sure about the relationship. I feel like the twenty year 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:00.000 old guys I know right now have a hard time 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:03.840 even with the first part of that. I have never 1:06:03.880 --> 1:06:08.360 spoken to a twenty year old since I was like two, 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:10.880 So I'm I don't know how they are right now. 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:13.959 I don't know what they're like. There's I mean, I think, yeah, 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:18.000 for this, it's tough because it's like I want to 1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:21.280 say one thing, but it's like I also, you also 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:24.920 need to contextualize it very carefully, because I do believe 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:27.760 for this relationship to make sense in the movie, you 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:31.800 have to have some sort of suspension of disbelief. But 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:34.600 when I say that, I'm not saying that relationships with 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:38.120 age gap require suspension of disbelief. It's just how this 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:41.760 one is sometimes presented to you that you're just like, what, 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:44.480 like things like why is he at this resort all 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:47.720 the time? Is that even allowed? It's like there's just 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:50.320 a lot of little things you need to suspend in 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:52.640 order for it to work where And there's kind of 1:06:52.680 --> 1:06:56.160 like an equally loaded discussion that I've found around this 1:06:56.200 --> 1:07:00.160 movie of this movie has on Rotten Tomatoes, which just 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:04.240 fully ridiculous. Um, and you can just I mean, we've 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:05.959 talked about it all the time, but there's so many 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:09.240 corny white guye reviews of this movie that are just like, 1:07:09.520 --> 1:07:13.800 I don't understand. It's not I want to see this good. Yeah, 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:15.960 it must be bad since it wasn't made for me. 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:19.800 It's the it's kind of the typical bullshit there. But 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:23.720 I saw a lot of reviews even current. Um, there's 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:26.480 like an A V Club article about this when on 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:29.840 the twentie anniversary two years ago, referring to it as 1:07:29.920 --> 1:07:33.440 like a romantic fantasy, And I feel like fantasy is 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:37.760 a loaded term because it is fantastic plot wise that 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:40.800 this relationship works out. But I feel like the implication 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:43.520 there is that it's a fantasy for an older woman 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:47.560 to be cared about and desired and loved by a 1:07:47.680 --> 1:07:51.000 younger man. So I don't like the way the word 1:07:51.120 --> 1:07:54.640 fantasy is deployed in this movie, even though I fully 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:56.920 don't think their relationship is going to work for the 1:07:56.960 --> 1:08:01.520 reasons illustrated in the movie. But that's that's why these 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:04.800 two people I don't think would be in a relationship 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:08.400 that would function. Not every relationship with an age gap 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:11.440 like this, Yeah, you know, it's confused. It's more to me, 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:14.560 it's like, what are they compatible about. They don't seem 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:16.640 to have anything in common. They don't seem to have 1:08:16.720 --> 1:08:21.800 that much chemistry. Like, yes, they're both extremely attractive, but like, 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:25.360 actually when they're on maybe maybe I just don't know 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:27.360 how to read chemistry on screen. But I'm just like, 1:08:27.400 --> 1:08:32.360 do they even like what? I don't know? Um, But 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:34.960 the more important, I mean, they just they don't know 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:38.880 common interests. What are their interests besides making furniture for 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:41.160 Stella and having sex with each other and having sex 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:43.680 with each other? So I think sex. I guess I 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:47.480 would have just liked to see both of their characters 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:52.480 developed a bit more interest in terms of like what 1:08:52.479 --> 1:08:56.960 what about them is compatible, which would really help me. 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:59.320 I would I would be rooting for them more if 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:03.639 that were the case. Yeah, but either way, I'm still like, yeah, like, 1:09:03.800 --> 1:09:06.519 get into that shower, Stella with all of your clothes 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:10.879 on while Digs is naked. That I was like, wow, 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:13.800 so a she Angela Bassett is one of the few 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:16.679 people who can look good while wet, like while coming 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:18.960 out of water and not looking like a dog that's 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:20.960 been like hit in the face. That's how most people 1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:22.840 look when they are wet. She looks great when she 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:25.400 does it, so that's crazy. Second thing, she decides to 1:09:25.439 --> 1:09:27.320 go to Jamaica, Like the next day they go to Jamaica. 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:30.639 The type of braids that she have takes like ten 1:09:30.800 --> 1:09:33.280 hours to do. So I'm like, bitch, what are you 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:36.479 talking about. That's not realistic at all to me, and 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:38.240 that She's just like, yes, I will get my hair 1:09:38.320 --> 1:09:42.280 wet and okay, I right now have braids. These things 1:09:42.400 --> 1:09:45.320 hold water like. You wouldn't believe that she's gonna fucking 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:47.680 a shower. And then be carried into her bed and 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:51.760 then funk. They're like, her bed is soaking wet. There's 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:55.120 water everywhere, there's a pool from the bathroom to her. 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:58.720 It's a mess. There was not a towel in sight. 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:01.080 I just this is the thing that I could not 1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:04.920 disbelieve she suld. We see her get her hair wet 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:08.560 like three different times in the movie. She's always underwater. 1:10:09.920 --> 1:10:16.840 Very Wet movie. Yes, I think that is how people 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:21.439 describe this moving forward her groove the Very Wet Movie. Yes. 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:23.599 I mean the poster is her in front of the 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:29.280 beach um exactly after she goes into the shower with him, 1:10:29.439 --> 1:10:31.800 which and she's also wearing all of her clothes. She's 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:33.760 like wearing a sweater and she's like, I'm just going 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:35.840 to step into the shower with you and we're going 1:10:35.880 --> 1:10:38.640 to kiss, and then it cuts to like them in 1:10:38.800 --> 1:10:42.000 bed and he's like, I think the implication is like 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:45.519 he has fucked her so good that she's crying because 1:10:45.520 --> 1:10:49.320 there's like tears coming out of her. Oh. I thought 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:52.120 she was crying because she was confused. I think it 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:55.960 is like a last time we had like that, because 1:10:56.080 --> 1:10:58.400 I've ever done this in a relationship where you know, 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:01.760 this is the last time where you're like, this isn't 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:03.720 gonna work. We both know it's not gonna work. We're 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:07.120 gonna take this one last evening together. And then it's 1:11:07.600 --> 1:11:09.920 like I took it as a like, well that was 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:14.880 the last of it. Cry that that makes way more sense. Yeah, 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:17.960 I know she is crying because she's sad because they 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:24.599 she's like, we have nothing in common. Yeah. So when 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:27.600 I do think that this is to Caitlin's point that 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:30.400 they don't develop these characters enough. I think one thing 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:32.760 that a lot of black movies in the nineties have 1:11:32.880 --> 1:11:36.640 to deal with is that you're trying to be respectable 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:39.439 to the point where like, what are her flaws? Like 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:42.760 that she likes work. It like they're very much so 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:44.920 trying to make her like Nope, she's not like a 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:46.200 single mom in the way that you think of a 1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:48.639 black single mom. No, no, no, she's very professional. Okay, 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:52.479 she's also dedicated. She's also athletic. She's got good God, 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:55.960 we need to know she's athletic, and she has a passion. 1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:58.240 Maybe she needs to return to it. But like that, 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:00.920 but like she can't have some of those depths of 1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:04.720 character because she's so busy trying to like or the like, 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:06.920 the people who wrote it, whatever, are so busy trying 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:11.360 to make her seem perfect and unassailable, right, And I 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:14.720 feel like that probably stems from black filmmakers trying to 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:19.280 correct some of the damage that's been done regarding representation 1:12:19.320 --> 1:12:22.559 of black people in movies prior to this, because like, 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:26.280 before this, it was, I mean, it was a lot 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:30.960 of really racist archetypal characters like you know, the Mammy's 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:34.360 and the Bucks and like really horrible and really damaging, 1:12:34.960 --> 1:12:39.480 reductive troops like that. It was also black exploitation films 1:12:39.520 --> 1:12:44.840 and those characters. It was black characters who were in 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:50.240 movies with predominantly white casts who were there playing characters 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:53.799 who were criminals or pimps or you know, just again 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:58.960 all the reductive, racist representations or just an absence or 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:02.719 a lack of black characters and media. So I feel 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:08.080 like black filmmakers in more recent decades have had the 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:12.200 burden of trying to repair some of that damage that 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:17.240 was done, of course by mostly white filmmakers with really 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:21.960 positive representations of black characters in their movies. And I 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:24.519 feel like it just kind of lent itself to some 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:29.040 black characters who were almost too perfect, who had no 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:33.840 flaws and tons of wealth and awesome jobs, like the 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:38.960 model minority trope. Like of yeah, because I feel like, 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:42.280 I mean, there's so much from this generation of entertainment 1:13:42.320 --> 1:13:44.800 that I mean that was I feel like, I mean, 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:48.080 aside from Bill Cosby, Like that's a lot of what 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:51.599 previously a lot of the conversation around the Cosby Show 1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:54.320 was was was like the first or one of the 1:13:54.439 --> 1:14:02.000 first major black sitcoms that was popular across everywhere, but 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:05.080 it was pulling from a lot of model minority like 1:14:05.120 --> 1:14:08.679 this is a very wealthy, you know, class privileged family. 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:12.920 But then that means like, then you just have the 1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:16.960 like characters who don't end up being that well developed 1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:20.599 or who feel just a little bit more kind of 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:25.200 stock character without any flaws because like which I understand 1:14:25.280 --> 1:14:28.880 like wanting to write characters that way, especially based on 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:33.559 like the poor representation that had been seen in movies 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:36.519 prior to that. But yeah, and then it just means like, Okay, well, 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:45.599 then Angela Bassett is perfect. Have any flaws? Did you guys? 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:48.280 This is a very specific reference, but there's an SNL 1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:51.960 skit where they try to make a Barbie they make 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:55.559 an Asian barbie, and they like are trying so much 1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:58.800 not to fall into stereotypes that they're like, she has 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:03.760 a chef's hat and a dog. That's it. We're not 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:06.680 saying she's a cook though, We're not saying what her 1:15:06.720 --> 1:15:10.600 likes and interest are because we don't want. Like, I 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:14.040 haven't seen that, but that sounds pretty funny. It's like 1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:16.800 a barbie developed by a focus group to like not 1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:21.200 offend anyone. It's just she has a chef's head. That 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:29.120 that's the doll. That what you will, that's funny. I mean, 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:33.360 it's like it's it's such a frustrating thing to feel 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:35.720 like this movie is hung up on, but like, in 1:15:35.880 --> 1:15:37.920 context of the time it comes up, I feel like 1:15:37.960 --> 1:15:43.000 it does line up pretty cleanly with I mean, not 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:45.479 just the genre it's then, but like a lot of 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:50.000 the common tropes around black characters in the genre of 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:53.320 the time. Yeah, including I mean, including the other Terry 1:15:53.360 --> 1:15:58.200 McMillan m adaptation we've covered, right, I mean, I will 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:01.040 say I like this movie. I saw it for the 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:04.320 first time this year with a bottle of wine and 1:16:04.400 --> 1:16:08.679 a lot of cheese, and it was perfect as God intended. Yes, 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:11.800 as a mid thirties lady. This is it was right 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:14.880 a shot straight to the I don't know basketball, but 1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:17.280 like you get it, like a three point from that line, 1:16:18.000 --> 1:16:21.400 nothing but net shot. It was made for me. But yeah, 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:24.040 it does have I'm like she she doesn't like get 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:28.320 mad or like have a problem of any Okay, right, 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:31.400 I mean there are there issues with in the relationship, 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:35.599 but even so, the relationship is based on what like 1:16:35.640 --> 1:16:37.680 what are they what are they like? What do they 1:16:37.680 --> 1:16:42.880 have in common? Anyway? Yeah, man, it does seem and 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:45.920 and I do appreciate that he kind of realizes that 1:16:45.960 --> 1:16:48.000 at some point and then we still get our kind 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:52.559 of irrational happy ending um, but he also kind of realizes, like, 1:16:53.200 --> 1:16:57.280 oh right, like I what am I doing? You know, 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:01.120 It's like I've really inserted myself in Stella's life, and 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:05.760 like what, I don't know, it's it's I do like that. Well, 1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:08.200 I do think, you know, all the characters are undeveloped 1:17:08.200 --> 1:17:10.840 to varying degrees. I don't know why I'm defending this 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:13.400 movie so much. I really like it, Like they're less 1:17:13.520 --> 1:17:16.840 underdeveloped than a lot of characters in this genre, because 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:20.920 like this is just the undeveloped genre where Winston. Okay, 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:23.200 A choice that I thought in this movie that was 1:17:23.320 --> 1:17:27.880 really cool is you get like a female gaye cinematography 1:17:27.920 --> 1:17:32.000 approach to Taye Digs at first, though not for the 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:37.240 whole movie where it's not making the like how I mean, 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:40.600 like how Megan Fox and how many like you know, 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:43.640 conventionally attractive women are treated on screen, where it's just 1:17:43.680 --> 1:17:45.479 like assumed, this is how we're gonna look at her. 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:48.479 Where I feel like the cinematography choices in this movie 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:51.559 are cool because we are seeing him through Stella's eyes, 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:54.880 So at first she's barely listening to what he's saying. 1:17:54.960 --> 1:17:58.040 He's talking about medical school, but it's a slow pan 1:17:58.160 --> 1:18:01.080 on his body. But once she gets to know him, 1:18:01.320 --> 1:18:03.680 you don't really get those shots anymore because that's not 1:18:03.720 --> 1:18:05.680 how she's seeing him anymore. She's seeing him as a 1:18:05.680 --> 1:18:09.240 whole person and like there is more to him than 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:12.200 I mean, and there's like he's certainly not He is 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:14.559 kind of like a spoiler rich kid who's figuring out 1:18:14.600 --> 1:18:17.040 his ship in a lot of ways, to the point 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:19.120 where I mean, who can afford to just hang out 1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:22.599 at a resort, like you know, yeah, those meals are 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:25.840 not cheap, No, I'm just like, and then he's always like, 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:28.160 I have no money. I'm like until you text your mom, 1:18:28.320 --> 1:18:31.320 Like what he bought her like this heavy piece, like 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:36.000 this big piece of like equipment for her furniture workshop. 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:40.280 He also buys her an engagement ring, likes he pays 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:42.559 for that meal at that restaurant that he offers to 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:45.560 pay for, which was probably upward like easily over a 1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:49.000 hundred dollars, Like he seems like he gets a stipend 1:18:49.000 --> 1:18:52.840 from his parents or that's my that's my guess. That's 1:18:52.840 --> 1:18:54.920 the only thing that explains it to me, which and 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:57.559 I get why, like is also like I'm not totally 1:18:57.600 --> 1:19:00.840 comfortable with that, Like it all makes sense, but I 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:04.000 like that Winston. I think Winston is given a little 1:19:04.040 --> 1:19:08.080 more depth and like layers to who he is and 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:11.120 the way Stella sees him and grows to see him 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:17.120 has more layers than most romantic movie couples. Yeah, um, 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:20.080 quick note about the female gaze to just going back 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:22.800 to that really quickly. The way that this movie and 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:26.839 a lot of movies kind of frame the female gaze 1:19:26.920 --> 1:19:29.080 or like the idea of the female gaze, which you know, 1:19:29.120 --> 1:19:32.800 we acknowledge how heteronormative, like the male gaze and the 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:37.640 female gaze is anyway her like Stella seeing just like 1:19:37.760 --> 1:19:41.559 looking at Tay Digs's character, and her eyes are lingering 1:19:41.640 --> 1:19:46.280 on his arms and his lips, whereas like the male 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:49.760 gaze in most movies is like tits and ass. So 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:55.240 even like the like the kind of female counterpart quote 1:19:55.320 --> 1:19:59.360 unquote of a gazey shot is still like more respectful. 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:04.120 It's like, oh, his lips and his like his shoulders, 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:08.960 and then it's it's a more intellectualized gaze. Then the 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:13.240 reverse it at least involves his face, you know, like 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:21.040 he's not a headless woman of Hollywood. Um, yeah, yeah, 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.800 I mean it's I like, I I really like how 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:28.960 this movie handles female gaze because sometimes it's like when 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:31.160 it's kind of a one to one of like, oh 1:20:31.280 --> 1:20:33.040 you don't like the male gaze, well then just have 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:35.559 the opposite, and it's like, well that's really what I 1:20:35.600 --> 1:20:39.240 asked for, um, And I feel like this movie chose 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:43.640 that line pretty well. Where Like it's just it's fucking cinematography. 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:46.280 Like in theory, if you're doing it right, it should 1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:48.880 be reflective and tell you something about what's going on 1:20:48.920 --> 1:20:53.879 in the movie, not just like catering to the bassist 1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:57.560 aspects of your audience. Like, so in that way, I 1:20:57.600 --> 1:20:59.800 feel like this is successful because we're seeing him through 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:06.640 Della's eyes. So yeah, because I have about Whoopi Goldberg 1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:10.920 and how she they kill her in the movie, I 1:21:12.640 --> 1:21:16.720 don't like it. I I don't know. And I was 1:21:16.800 --> 1:21:19.880 curious about this because I don't want to if this 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:22.200 is if this is an aspect that was taken from 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:24.640 Terry McMillan's life, I don't want to minimize that in 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:27.760 any way. I wasn't able to find any information on 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:31.840 whether Delilah's character isn't any way pulled from her experience. 1:21:32.640 --> 1:21:36.479 So I'll just say that because I would hate to 1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:39.680 find out that and that's so disrespectful. But if it 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:42.320 is a story choice, I don't like it. It is 1:21:42.400 --> 1:21:44.719 so I think that that's like one of the lazier 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:47.320 things that this movie does is brings in what Whoppi 1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:52.840 Goldberg to be the best friend and have, like even 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:56.400 for the best friend, have more to do than you know. 1:21:56.520 --> 1:22:00.640 It is normal, right, you get that. But then and 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:04.120 it is four shadowed in the movie because when she 1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:06.880 says on the first trip to Jamaica, like she's kind 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:09.400 of just saying vaguely ominous stuff. I'm like, oh, no, 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:13.880 they're gonna She's gonna die, that's why. And and I'm like, 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:16.200 it's like sitting next to my boyfriend being like, they're 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:18.960 going to kill Whoopie Goldberg to teach Angela Bassett that 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:21.240 she needs to live in the moment. And that's literally 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:24.639 what happens. And they kill Whoopi Goldberg to teach Angela 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:26.880 Bassett she has to be in the moment. Why do that? 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:31.040 Don't do that? I like Wippi Goldberg a lot. She's great. 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:34.160 I yes, I love I do. I do appreciate that 1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:38.280 the movie does dedicate real estate to both uh Stella's 1:22:38.320 --> 1:22:42.400 relationship with Whoopie Goldberg's character and Stella's relationship to her 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:45.320 two sisters. I feel like a lot of romantic movies 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:48.640 I'm thinking of like The Notebook, where it's like, do 1:22:48.680 --> 1:22:51.840 we meet any of Rachel mcgadam's friends or hear them talk? 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:54.959 Like you're just told they exist and they're in the background. 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:57.320 Sometimes Yeah, there's like that movie is just like so 1:22:57.439 --> 1:23:00.600 hyper focused on the on the romance, whereas like we 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:03.679 see like and then also like with with Stella's son 1:23:04.160 --> 1:23:07.960 and like we meet her ex husband that dynamic, which 1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:11.080 is like that too. I love that scene. It was 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:14.679 like her worst fear of, like having to show everyone 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:17.160 this thing that she does have some shame around and 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:21.559 everyone was flipping cool except Angela, Like everybody, yeah, They're 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:23.760 all like, hey, what's up, dude. Yeah, even her ex 1:23:23.840 --> 1:23:26.479 husband is cool with it. Her ex husband and Tay 1:23:26.560 --> 1:23:28.960 Diggs have that little seed together at that Diggs kind 1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:31.120 of pushes back and it's like, why are you giving 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:33.240 me advice? Doesn't seem like it worked out too well 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:37.160 for you? Like that was great, very sweet. I really 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:42.680 loved that. Okay, a couple things I just want to 1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:47.799 say real fast. Um, just Taye Diggs and his Jamaican 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:55.840 accent inconsistent, inconsistent, Yes, some and some scenes. I'm like, 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:57.880 that sounds really authentic. I think he did a good 1:23:57.960 --> 1:24:01.919 job there. I mean, I'm by no means next Jamaican accent, 1:24:02.560 --> 1:24:04.720 but it was also inconsistent enough that I was like, 1:24:04.960 --> 1:24:10.240 that sounded very Irish then not Jamaican. Um, so I'm 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:12.439 not sure that he's doing a good job all the time. 1:24:13.439 --> 1:24:16.080 It seems to be. I I looked up some it 1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.679 seems to be a pretty popular opinion that the accent 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:23.320 is U is perhaps good. God, I think that you know, 1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:26.320 you can be a great actor and probably just maybe 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:30.799 not do an accent in a role. See keianu Reeves, 1:24:30.880 --> 1:24:33.920 see Brad Pitt. There's a lot of actors that we 1:24:34.040 --> 1:24:39.920 love who just have never done an accent successfully well, 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:43.160 but then they're there. Are actors like a friend of 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:48.439 the show, are King Alfred Molina who masters all the accent. 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:53.160 He does every noone even knows he's British. He's British, 1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:59.240 He's British. Rash what yeah, that makes him that? I 1:24:59.280 --> 1:25:01.479 get it now, Jamie. I was questioning this for a 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:03.559 long time. Now that you tell me that is British, 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:08.560 I'm into it. It's a game changer, it really um. 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:11.559 I like that white people are cast in this movie 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:16.200 the way that black people are cast in most mainstream 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:19.280 Hollywood movies, and that they are barely there. They're mostly 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:22.240 in the background. They have very few lines of dialogue. 1:25:22.240 --> 1:25:24.799 I think Victor Garber is the only white person who 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:35.880 says anything which name and lines of dialogue um isaac visibility. Also, 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:40.000 Victor Garber is not credited in the credits of this movie, 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:43.800 he's not. And then I checked on Wikipedia and it 1:25:43.800 --> 1:25:46.439 says Victor Garber uncredited. I'm like, damn, the year after 1:25:46.479 --> 1:25:53.679 Titanic uncredited this business. I think it's worth just briefly 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:55.960 noting that they're okay. So they're two characters named Jack 1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:59.880 and Buddy, who um Delilah Whippi. Goldberg's character is like 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:03.960 trying to hook her and Stella up with, and they 1:26:04.080 --> 1:26:06.960 their whole thing is like, look how unappealing they are. 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.040 But the things that are done to make them seem 1:26:09.080 --> 1:26:12.439 unappealing is that one of them has a stutter and 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:15.600 the other one is kind of chubby, So just some 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:20.160 needless body and speech impediment shaming. So, you know, not great, 1:26:20.160 --> 1:26:23.160 but yeah, for a movie coming out in night, there 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:25.559 weren't that. I mean, that was kind of the only 1:26:25.600 --> 1:26:29.559 like really sort of like reductive thing that I noticed. 1:26:30.520 --> 1:26:34.760 I like, the Buddy had enough confidence to take all 1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:38.120 of his clothes off at that pajama party, Like I 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:41.880 was honestly scandals. I was like, if I was invited 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:43.880 to a party and then everyone's tips came out, I 1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:46.720 would be furious that I was not warned that this 1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:51.960 was a tip they should have been a written that 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:54.840 I might. Yeah, you have to tell me. I have 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:56.800 to get the tips ready if I'm supposed to just 1:26:57.040 --> 1:27:00.160 throw them out there, you know. So that I was like, Ow, 1:27:00.240 --> 1:27:03.439 he's you know what, he loves himself and he loves 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:05.719 his body, and I like that that to being show. 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:10.839 Yeah that's true. Um Any does anyone have anything else 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:15.120 they want to say about the movie? Let's see. Yeah, 1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:18.880 Justice for the Lilah. I like that we knew what 1:27:19.600 --> 1:27:22.559 just going off of your common and about how we like, 1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:25.840 not only do we know Stella support system, we also 1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:29.040 know at least a little bit about them. Um and 1:27:29.080 --> 1:27:31.960 the movie in ways that it's just like every movie 1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:34.200 could do this. We see what people all burg at 1:27:34.240 --> 1:27:38.400 her job and you're like, I know something about her. Wow. 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:43.479 Her job is to stuff Calvin Klein mannequins who are 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:46.160 wearing underwear, make them seem like they have bigger dicks. 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:50.880 She's a high paid mannequins stylist. Baby, and I that's 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:54.559 a fun, rich person job in a movie. Love it? 1:27:54.960 --> 1:27:59.880 Um Oh. This movie was directed by I wanted to 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:02.479 bring up some behind the scenes stuff. This movie was 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:06.240 directed by a black director, Kevin Rodney Sullivan. Who I 1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:07.960 had a lot of fun learning about because he's had 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:09.720 kind of like a fun career where he started as 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:14.880 a child actor and then he grew into a writer director. 1:28:14.960 --> 1:28:18.080 He has mostly been directing TV, but like he's directed 1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:21.280 every big TV show. He directed Thirty Rock episodes, he 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:24.400 directed Modern Family episodes. He's directed and c I. Yes, 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.320 he's directed How to Get Away with Murder, He's directed Riverdale. 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:31.120 He's like a big shot TV director now and and 1:28:31.280 --> 1:28:34.760 directed this movie. So he's great. Another person I had 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:36.400 a lot of fun learning about was the editor of 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:41.920 this movie, a black editor named George Bowers, who I 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:44.240 recommend you you just kind of dig into his life 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:46.080 because he was also a filmmaker and he sounds like 1:28:46.120 --> 1:28:50.439 he was a really cool experimental filmmaker as well. Um, so, 1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:54.960 there is not a ton of women behind the scenes 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:57.680 of this movie. Aside from Terry McMillan getting the co 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:00.960 writing credit. There's a female produced, sir. There's a couple 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:04.519 of female producers, if I remember correctly, there's a few. 1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:06.680 I just I don't know. I was honestly like, I 1:29:06.720 --> 1:29:09.720 wish that a black woman had been the director of 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:14.400 this That said Kevin Rodney Sullivan seems really cool. And 1:29:14.720 --> 1:29:17.559 there's I saw. All I'm looking at is I'm seeing 1:29:17.600 --> 1:29:22.360 one producer credit and it's a lady named deb Brush Wendler. Yes. Um, 1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:25.280 and then I'm seeing a couple. Um. Terry McMillan was 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:31.679 also an executive producer, as was Jennifer Ogdenden. Um, don't 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:33.680 know how to say it. Um So a couple of 1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:38.120 executive producers are women's good? Yeah? Um so yeah, I 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:40.880 think just taking a look at the behind the scenes 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:43.759 stuff is good. This movie was reviewed in a very 1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:49.799 pointed way because there were simply very few, uh black 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:53.320 reviewers and female reviewers that we're working at this time. 1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:55.840 So it's just kind of the classic like this movie 1:29:55.880 --> 1:29:59.599 isn't about me. I don't get it. No stars kind 1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:03.280 of thing. Not no stars, but like it's just very 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:06.840 passive aggressive reviews. Um, I don't know. Yeah, I think 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:09.200 that's all I got. I really like this movie. My 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:14.200 favorite exchange is when Stella and Winston first meat and 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:17.639 he's just as good morning, and she replies with are 1:30:17.680 --> 1:30:21.679 you a rapper? Like that's the first thing she says. 1:30:22.360 --> 1:30:24.639 You're like, I'm trying to get from a to be here, 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:29.200 but I just can't like okay, I mean maybe she's like, okay, 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:33.519 a subcategory someone that would be eating at a resort alone. Yeah, 1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:37.200 is that? I'm like, what, Like, he doesn't necessarily I mean, 1:30:37.240 --> 1:30:39.360 what does a rapper look like? But he doesn't necessarily 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:43.200 look like a rapper. No, he's just eating at a 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:46.479 resort alone. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. But 1:30:46.520 --> 1:30:48.920 that's a weird as I would be like, cool, so 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:51.000 you don't want me to bother you, okay, but like 1:30:51.080 --> 1:30:53.519 that would be the end of the Wow, that's a 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:55.960 weird ass thing for you to say. Okay, But she 1:30:56.040 --> 1:30:58.600 doesn't even say like hello or good morning back. She 1:30:58.760 --> 1:31:00.719 just he was like, good morning, are you a rapper? 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:08.120 Like it's just like uh no, um I will I 1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:12.439 I deeply love and this is something. It's something so 1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.920 nineties and like embedded in my heart. A sex scene 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:19.240 where there are gauzy white curtains fluttering in the wind. 1:31:19.520 --> 1:31:22.719 I think it's so important. I love it so much, 1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:25.439 where they payan to them and they're just gently moving 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:27.679 and like only one is because that's where the fan 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:31.160 that the designer is like pointed at the Yeah, oh 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:33.320 it's I don't even know if these ones were esteemed. 1:31:33.400 --> 1:31:35.880 Sometimes you can still see the wrinkles from where they 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:38.559 took it out of the packaging. But man, the gauze 1:31:39.160 --> 1:31:43.799 perfect very really adds a layer of sexy to the 1:31:43.880 --> 1:31:47.479 to the scene Caitlyn, I just I just want that 1:31:47.840 --> 1:31:49.920 she has such good sex that she cries. That made 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:55.240 me laugh so much. I just like, why is she crying? 1:31:55.360 --> 1:32:02.400 I don't understand human emotion? Okay um. I guess my 1:32:02.479 --> 1:32:07.160 final thought would be that this feels pretty tropy for 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:09.360 like any kind of romantic movie. But at the beginning 1:32:09.400 --> 1:32:12.840 of the movie, Stella is like, I don't care about 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:15.160 meeting a man. I don't need a man. Uh, this 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:17.760 is actually an exchange I really like where she and 1:32:17.800 --> 1:32:20.880 her sisters are getting pedicures or they're they're at a spa. 1:32:21.439 --> 1:32:24.559 They're talking and then like they annoy her, so Stella says, 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:27.320 don't talk to me for the next two hours five 1:32:27.360 --> 1:32:30.720 seconds pass and then Angela, her sister, is like, you 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:36.320 need a husband and your son needs a father. He's like, whoa, 1:32:41.240 --> 1:32:44.800 and then Stella says. Stella says, had one got rid 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:47.960 of him? So glad I did. And then she's like, also, like, 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:51.120 my son has a father. His name is Walter if 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:55.080 you remember him, you know him? Yeah, And then and 1:32:55.080 --> 1:32:57.840 then she's like, you know, just because Kennedy, which is 1:32:57.880 --> 1:33:01.559 an Angela's husband, just because Kennedy produces, directs and stars 1:33:01.560 --> 1:33:04.439 and all three acts of your drama, don't fool yourself. 1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:07.679 Every woman doesn't need that kind of guidance. So she's 1:33:07.680 --> 1:33:11.800 basically saying like, I don't need a man, and that's great, 1:33:12.000 --> 1:33:16.400 but that is also like rom calm code for she's 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:20.120 going to end up with a man by the end 1:33:20.960 --> 1:33:23.519 without question. Well, yeah, I guess it's I guess we 1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:26.800 haven't brother. Yeah, there's definitely I think because of the 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:30.440 time in the genre, there's definitely echoes of like IROLLI 1:33:30.840 --> 1:33:34.800 like nineties girl power, where it's like I don't need 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:40.280 a man, I just need a man, Like you're just like, ok, 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:42.640 I just haven't met Tay Digs yet and looked at 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:45.160 his arms. And suddenly as soon as that happened and 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:52.559 I find out he's not a rapper, then I also 1:33:52.880 --> 1:33:54.880 when the movie ended, I was just like that. I 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:59.400 was like, what a confusing day for Quincy her Son 1:33:59.800 --> 1:34:02.480 the because he has just been told like say goodbye, 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:05.519 You're never going to see this man again and then 1:34:05.960 --> 1:34:09.639 guess what, he's your stepfather and he lives with us. 1:34:09.920 --> 1:34:13.400 Good night, Like oh my gosh, yeah, I wouldn't trust 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:17.200 adults after that messy I know. Yeah, that's like all 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:19.760 in the span of like however long it takes her 1:34:19.800 --> 1:34:23.280 to drive to and from the airport, they didn't act. 1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:25.839 Remember how he just left to move back to Jamaica. 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:29.760 Well he's back and we're getting married. Yeah, and then 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:32.160 she would be like, oh, you misunderstood, like she could 1:34:32.200 --> 1:34:33.880 just like gaslight him into being a no, no, no, 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:38.720 you misunderstood. He is actually your stepfather. Now Quincy has 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:41.000 to get his groove back in like the sixth grade 1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:45.680 or however, I do love that as a movie in 1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:47.560 the way that they did like a fuller house and 1:34:47.640 --> 1:34:51.000 a girl's world, just like how with like the kid 1:34:51.080 --> 1:34:54.120 gets his groove back. Yeah, he's such a sweet character. 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:57.040 He is. And he makes her breakfast. So we see 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:01.880 a young boy cook a young nurturing son. Yeah, and 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:03.800 he's like, I want to do something and he tells him. 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:06.000 He's like he's like, mom, I just want you to 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:09.720 have fun while I'm gone, and like he really did. Oh. 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:11.800 I just love their relationship and I like that you 1:35:11.840 --> 1:35:16.160 do get to see uh, and that like a a mother, 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:20.639 like is a character who is like romantically viable because 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:22.720 like I think a lot of movies will be like, oh, 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:26.920 you have a kid, well then see uh yeah, I 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:30.519 mean forty year old woman being romantically virable, viable, a 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:34.040 mother being romantically violent. Like, there's so many I don't know. 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:36.200 I'm just going to defend this movie to the end 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:38.559 of time. Scene between them at the airport at the 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:43.080 beginning made me, Karry, I loved it where he's just like, now, Mom, 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:45.960 I want you to take care of yourself and I 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:48.040 care about you and you're the best mom ever. And 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:50.720 she's like, I'm going to go to Jamaica. You're like, 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:53.840 all right, I guess I'm gonna go and get dicked 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:57.640 by Tay Digs. That's what It's what my that's what 1:35:57.800 --> 1:36:02.240 my son was on. He's also very cool with their relationship. 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:09.200 Um okay, Well, does the movie pass the Bechdel test? Definitely, 1:36:09.840 --> 1:36:12.960 and it's thanks to like the writing being careful to 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:19.400 include her sisters and Delilah. It does pass the duvern 1:36:19.400 --> 1:36:27.960 A test, obviously far more handily than most movies. Movie. Yeah, 1:36:29.160 --> 1:36:31.960 shall shall we rate it on our nipple scale, Yes, 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:35.760 let's shall zero to five nipples, based on its representation 1:36:35.800 --> 1:36:42.639 of women, and also just an overall examination of intersectional feminism. Um, 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:48.160 I would give this film contextualizing it knowing that it 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:53.200 is like a romantic movie, and based on that it 1:36:53.400 --> 1:36:57.280 is going to be centered around a romantic relationship and 1:36:57.280 --> 1:37:01.280 in this case it's a hetero romantic relationship ship. Knowing 1:37:01.320 --> 1:37:03.840 all of that, I think I would give it a 1:37:04.560 --> 1:37:07.760 three and a half or a four. Like just the 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:11.880 fact that you have you see representation of an older 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:18.719 woman being like worshiped and respected by this far younger man. Again, 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:23.840 it's something that society was not deeming as acceptable. It's 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:27.320 something that other characters were not deeming as acceptable. But 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:29.320 Sell was just like, fuck it, I'm going to get 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:31.720 my groove back. Okay, this and then this is how 1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:33.719 And I didn't even know that I didn't have my groove, 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:35.920 but I'm going to get it back. And and it's 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:40.400 Winston Shakespeare is gonna give it to me. Um, And 1:37:40.800 --> 1:37:44.120 so that and just yeah, like the the exploration of 1:37:44.160 --> 1:37:48.840 her relationships with her sisters and her friend Delilah and 1:37:48.880 --> 1:37:53.800 her son and different things to to characterize her the 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:57.280 fact that maybe we could have gotten a better understanding 1:37:57.280 --> 1:37:59.680 of why they're in love with each other and like 1:37:59.800 --> 1:38:02.679 what they're compatible about. But again, that's I mean, that's 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:04.920 like we said, it's pretty standard for the genre. We 1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:06.800 we don't know why these people are ever in love 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:08.759 except that they are close to each other and they're 1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:12.240 both conventionally attractive. But it's like, do we ever really know, 1:38:12.439 --> 1:38:16.559 like why j Lo and Matthew McConaughey were in love. No, 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:20.839 they were just hot and around each other. It's implicit, 1:38:20.920 --> 1:38:24.280 it's it's inherent to the genre. It's just hot and 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:27.479 around or my least favorite twizt I knew you and 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:30.680 I was a child, therefore I have to marry you 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:37.920 on yes, yes, yes, so yeah, Sorry, I was on 1:38:37.960 --> 1:38:40.280 my nipple. Rating. Um, I'll give it, you know what 1:38:40.560 --> 1:38:45.200 I'll give it. I think I'll do like a A 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:49.400 three and a half or four. I don't know what's 1:38:49.400 --> 1:38:51.920 everyone else gonna do. I need other people's influence here. 1:38:52.560 --> 1:38:57.040 I'm gonna do probably. I will fully admit this is 1:38:57.120 --> 1:39:01.639 partially just I'm rating with my emotions, but I want 1:39:01.640 --> 1:39:05.559 to give it a four. I just feel like this 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:10.120 for the reasons we've discussed this movie doesn't do everything right, 1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:14.040 but there's so much about this movie that is First 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:16.800 of all, I mean, if we're talking about subversions in 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:20.120 the drama or to the genre, this story is pretty 1:39:20.160 --> 1:39:24.720 engaging and like makes sense more often than not, which 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:27.960 is not something you usually get. I also, oh, something 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:31.479 we didn't talk about is like this kind of one 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:36.280 of the big inciting incidents in in this movie is 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:40.920 that Stella wants to like she's not embarrassed or like 1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:45.040 ashamed of self care and like practicing self care, and 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:47.360 that I mean, that's a whole the whole practice of 1:39:47.360 --> 1:39:50.280 self care can get kind of insidious and capitalism steeped. 1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:52.760 We won't go there, but on the surface level, I 1:39:52.760 --> 1:39:55.160 think it is really nice that the first time we 1:39:55.240 --> 1:39:58.559 see Stella not at work, she is, you know, like 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:02.880 having a relaxing day her sisters, and this whole trip 1:40:03.040 --> 1:40:07.360 with Wapie Goldberg is self care and like readdefining herself 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:12.240 and just seeing women, especially not young women and especially 1:40:12.280 --> 1:40:16.080 a black woman like prioritizing herself and being like, you 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:18.080 know what, I like even though and I thought it 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:19.840 was kind of a cool detail that she says she 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:21.519 wants to do it and then she's like, no, I 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:23.320 don't want to, and then her friend is like, no, 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:27.080 we're gonna go. Like that felt really cool. Um, you 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:30.679 just don't see movies like that very much, where it's 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:33.439 like a woman who's very for the most part like 1:40:33.479 --> 1:40:36.200 without shame, being like I deserve this, like I'm going 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:40.120 to take care of myself, and you know, the internalized 1:40:40.320 --> 1:40:43.760 shame and back and forth that comes with that is 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:45.799 a very real thing. And I like that it's addressed, 1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:48.280 but at its heart, like this is a story of 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:53.400 like self care and prioritizing yourself and recognizing that you 1:40:53.400 --> 1:40:57.080 can have responsibilities in life and not totally lose sight 1:40:57.120 --> 1:41:00.559 of who you are. And I don't get your girl, yes, 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:05.000 ge'ts your good. That's where the word groove comes into play. 1:41:05.160 --> 1:41:08.439 And I just I found that to be very soothing 1:41:08.600 --> 1:41:11.760 and wonderful and nice to see in a movie for 1:41:11.840 --> 1:41:15.719 all of the goofy problems that we um discussed, so 1:41:16.520 --> 1:41:20.240 kind of for that alone, it's going to get for 1:41:20.240 --> 1:41:23.120 for me. And and you just don't have many black 1:41:23.240 --> 1:41:26.200 romance movies. And I like Terry McMillan, I like that 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:28.519 this is based on a true story, even though it 1:41:28.640 --> 1:41:32.800 ends not like the movie, and yeah, I really like 1:41:32.840 --> 1:41:36.040 this movie. So I want to give two nipples to Stella, 1:41:36.800 --> 1:41:41.960 one nipple to Delilah r I p and I'll give 1:41:42.160 --> 1:41:46.679 one nipple to what was the niece's name. The niece 1:41:46.720 --> 1:41:50.040 I was like, why is she here? Also tells whose 1:41:50.120 --> 1:41:52.400 kid was that I think it's I think it's Regina 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:57.280 King's daughter. I was. I just it wasn't clear to 1:41:57.320 --> 1:41:59.800 me which sister's kid that one. Yeah, that makes sense. 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:02.360 That's a legitimate question that I never thought about. And 1:42:02.400 --> 1:42:04.720 she doesn't come back, but I'm like, there she is 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:10.120 because Regina King. Sorry, there's a jackhammer happening behind me. Um. 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:14.040 Regina King refers to like waiting on what I think 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:18.000 is a child support check from like her ex partner, 1:42:18.720 --> 1:42:21.840 and her name is Chantelle, if I'm not mistaken, Chante. 1:42:22.000 --> 1:42:24.519 I think it's Yeah, I think she is Regina King's daughter. 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:27.160 Like one line that she gets, I thought she was 1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:29.880 very engaging and funny for the one scene that she 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:35.120 is in. So she gets my fourth nipple. Good for her. 1:42:36.000 --> 1:42:38.320 She said, Okay, it's really funny because it's the two 1:42:38.400 --> 1:42:42.400 kids talking in the pool. Quincy is like, oh yeah, 1:42:42.479 --> 1:42:47.439 like Winston's a lot younger than my mom, and and 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:50.680 Shantell is like, well, how young And he's like not 1:42:50.760 --> 1:42:53.439 quite thirty, which is like a decade off of how 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:56.400 old he actually is. But then Shantell says, oh, that's 1:42:56.439 --> 1:43:01.639 not young, because thirty is not young. Everybody like, um, 1:43:01.840 --> 1:43:04.720 so yeah, that was very funny. Um okay, so yeah, 1:43:04.760 --> 1:43:07.479 I'll give it four nipples as well. Most of my 1:43:07.520 --> 1:43:11.280 gripes with the movie are more like screenwriting based, you know, 1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:14.360 like it could have been a half hour shorter. You know, 1:43:14.400 --> 1:43:18.320 there was some weird tonal shifts that I couldn't quite 1:43:18.680 --> 1:43:24.120 make sense of. Um that I love Ta Diggs is accent. 1:43:24.200 --> 1:43:26.720 I give one of my nipples to him trying to 1:43:26.840 --> 1:43:29.920 do to make an accent. I'll give to to Stella, 1:43:30.000 --> 1:43:33.120 and I'll give one to Regina King. I am going 1:43:33.160 --> 1:43:36.360 to give it four nipples. One to the scene in 1:43:36.400 --> 1:43:40.480 the shower where Ta Diggs but is very prominent. Angela 1:43:41.160 --> 1:43:43.680 gets to be dressed the whole time. Um, so I'm 1:43:43.680 --> 1:43:46.640 going to give one nipple to that scene in particular, 1:43:47.360 --> 1:43:50.919 One to Regina King because she deserves everything in the world. 1:43:51.520 --> 1:43:55.680 One to will Be Goldberg because she's very funny in 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:58.360 this way. That's like, hell, yeah, I hope that that's 1:43:58.400 --> 1:44:01.920 the type of friend relationships I continue to have well 1:44:02.080 --> 1:44:05.040 until my third forties. And hope. I mean, I don't 1:44:05.040 --> 1:44:06.479 want to die and I don't want my friends to do. 1:44:06.680 --> 1:44:09.280 But you get it. I want a good relationship with 1:44:09.320 --> 1:44:12.080 my friends. That is what that nipples for. And I'm 1:44:12.120 --> 1:44:16.920 going to say the fourth nipple two. Every time they 1:44:17.000 --> 1:44:20.799 yell as a group at Angela, the sister who's a jerk, 1:44:21.280 --> 1:44:23.479 I loved it. I enjoyed it so much. When they 1:44:23.520 --> 1:44:26.760 would be like shut up, Angela and everyone's like, yeah, 1:44:26.800 --> 1:44:30.080 you should. We don't like you. It's like, yes, you 1:44:30.120 --> 1:44:33.720 suck and your whole family knows it. Yeah. Stilla goes 1:44:33.800 --> 1:44:36.439 over to her house to be like, you disrespected my 1:44:36.479 --> 1:44:39.160 boyfriend yesterday and I need you to apologize, and then 1:44:39.160 --> 1:44:41.240 she does. She's like, I didn't mean to be rude, 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:44.360 Like I'm just looking out for you. Aren't you worried 1:44:44.360 --> 1:44:47.559 about this? I liked that you get resolution there. Yeah, 1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:49.680 and so it's like, of course I'm worried about this, 1:44:49.760 --> 1:44:52.040 but like, you just need to be supportive. I'll be 1:44:52.120 --> 1:44:55.040 the worrior here. So yeah, I did. I like that 1:44:55.120 --> 1:44:59.880 little arc Canice thank you so much for being here 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:05.240 for being our again first ever fourth time guest listeners. 1:45:05.320 --> 1:45:08.600 Check out our Back to the Future episode on the 1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:13.679 Matreon Oreo Royal episode on the main feed, as well 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:16.280 as an episode that is what did we name it? 1:45:16.280 --> 1:45:23.280 It's like um something something in a discussion with Cannie Mobley. Anyway, 1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:26.600 she'll be back for her jacket. You'll be back for 1:45:26.640 --> 1:45:29.160 your jacket, I do. I I mean, if you guys 1:45:29.600 --> 1:45:33.080 happen to have a velvet smoking jacket, I would never 1:45:33.160 --> 1:45:37.519 turn it down, just so you know we you'll see it, 1:45:37.560 --> 1:45:42.200 You'll get it. Um where can people follow you online? 1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:44.599 What would you like to plug? So you can follow 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:47.719 me online on all of the platforms at Kennie Mobley. 1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:50.559 I just even made a TikTok because they said that 1:45:50.600 --> 1:45:53.400 I had to. And it has no videos because I 1:45:53.439 --> 1:45:56.200 don't know how to use that app. So either look out. 1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:59.719 I will one day have one. Uh, it's gonna be great. 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:04.040 And I have my podcast which is called Love about Town. 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Alright, bye bye bye