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Speaker 1: who's consciously manipulating his image. And so that becomes that

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Speaker 1: kind of performative masculinity becomes dominant in the United States,

426
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Speaker 1: and it probably would have looked pretty weird to the

427
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Speaker 1: actual guys they were imitating, the dudes on the frontier, who,

428
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: more than anything, probably would have been like, boy, it

429
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: would be nice to have a desk job rather than

430
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Speaker 1: freezing to death in the middle of Iowa alone, Like, yeah,

431
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Speaker 1: just get back there for everyone's dick sake. Yeah. Um.

432
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Speaker 1: So yeah, this is these earlier kind of Victorian attitudes

433
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Speaker 1: towards Christianity that had been dominant in that period start

434
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Speaker 1: to feel a feminate um to a lot of men

435
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Speaker 1: in this period. There's derision at the womanly virtues they

436
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Speaker 1: felt had dominated their religion. There's this idea that the

437
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Speaker 1: dominant image of Christ was like feminine because he wanted

438
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Speaker 1: to feed people and like help them and heal them,

439
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: and that's like girl shit, rather than like going out

440
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Speaker 1: and kicking in heads and and punching people like, that's

441
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Speaker 1: the Jesus that people want, that white dudes want't this period,

442
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: it's like a lepers some pumpkin lily bullshit. That is

443
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Speaker 1: some pumpkin lily bullshit. You need to get yourself a

444
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Speaker 1: six gun Jesus Christ. So Kristen Dumaz argues that to

445
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Speaker 1: do this, in order to like remake Christianity in a

446
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: militant warlike image, they had to revive old pre war

447
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Speaker 1: Southern ideals about what white Christian masculinity represented. And so

448
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: they kind of go back to the South pre Civil

449
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Speaker 1: War to this idea that the man's jobs that have

450
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Speaker 1: sanctified aggression in order to maintain order. So men in

451
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: the pre war South existed to protect white men, existed

452
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Speaker 1: to protect white women and children from the danger of

453
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Speaker 1: slave uprisings, which they did with guns. Right. That's the

454
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Speaker 1: idea that gets kind of reincorporated into the American mainstream

455
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Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, and this new kind of

456
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Speaker 1: much more aggressive strain of Christian masculinity becomes known as

457
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Speaker 1: muscular Christianity. It's Jesus on H G H. Basically, you know, yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan up that christ a little bit you know,

459
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: which is like not the hot Jesus that we all

460
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Speaker 1: know and love. You know, Jesus is hot because he's

461
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Speaker 1: just like hipster you know, who took off his skinny

462
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Speaker 1: jeans and you're like, oh my god, you should eat more.

463
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: But he only can afford Roman because he's you know,

464
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: just as a podcast or whatever. Oh Jesus would absolutely

465
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: have a podcast today and it would be this one.

466
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay a little bit. So as this is

467
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: where I announced to the listeners that I am the

468
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Speaker 1: son of God. It's a three parter about how Robert

469
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Speaker 1: is Jesus. Yeah, that's that's that's Sophie's just not even listening.

470
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: So we're going to get away with a lot here,

471
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Speaker 1: Francesco um So as this is all happening, there's all

472
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: been a lot of scenes setting um in winter set, Iowa.

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Speaker 1: On nineteen o seven, Mary and Clyde Morrison had a baby.

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Speaker 1: They named this baby Marian Robert Morrison. And this is

475
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Speaker 1: the kid that's going to grow up to be John

476
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: Wayne Maran Mary And oh yeah, wow, you think that's

477
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: going to go good for him? In in in elementary school.

478
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a very masculine name, not a very masculine name. Look,

479
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: you go into first grade as a boy with the

480
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: first name Mary in today, you're gonna take some ship.

481
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: Right in nineteen oh seven, you're gonna take a lot more.

482
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot rougher. Um this is that

483
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: is part of the story that we're building to. Um. So,

484
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Speaker 1: Marian Morrison is born in a house in Winterset, Iowa.

485
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: The house is a museum today, although we don't know

486
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: that it was the house he was actually born in.

487
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Our entire source that it was is like an old

488
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: dude who told a biography or he remembered hearing about

489
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: a baby being born there. Um so maybe not around

490
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: here anyway, that'll be fifty Yeah. That that's like a

491
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of John Wayne's legacy where they're like, look, it

492
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: might have been this house. So we're gonna put a

493
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: museum up here with pictures of Trump and it too.

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Speaker 1: Fuck you, it's winter Set, Iowa. We have done nothing else,

495
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: you know. Huh. Um. Now we do know he was

496
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: born in winter Set, so at least there's that. We

497
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: have a birth announcement from the local paper which read

498
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Speaker 1: a thirteen pound son arrived at the Homely Morrison Monday. Yeah,

499
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: that's a that's two babies. That is two babies and

500
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Speaker 1: one baby. You must have ripped. I'm sorry, that's my

501
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: mind like perennium. Yeah, me too, girl, that's that's that's yeah,

502
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: that's that couldn't have been easy. That's way too big

503
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: for a baby. That's a massive baby, massive by seven

504
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: eat two other babies as much. She might have eaten

505
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: a couple of babies in there. They were triplets. And

506
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: he ate that's such a big baby. And he will

507
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: he will grow up. He's a huge guy. Like he

508
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: as an adult, he's about he's six three, so he's

509
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: like six three and half an inch or something like that,

510
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: So he's about my height. But he's also like really

511
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Speaker 1: really broad. I think he weighs probably like two fifties

512
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: something like that. As a girl, like, he's just a

513
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: huge motherfucker's Yeah, he's a door and he he comes

514
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: out as a certified chowed you know, um, just just

515
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: hardcore Brandon, Yeah, right on that shoulder. So winter Set

516
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: was a small city of less than three thousand people.

517
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: In many ways, it would have resembled at the time

518
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Marian was born, the current right wing vision of like

519
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: Paradise soda pop cost fifteen cents. The only religions represented

520
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: in town where Methodist, Catholic, and Baptist. Basically everybody was white.

521
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: There were two black citizens who had names and we're

522
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Speaker 1: on the city country or the city rolls. There was

523
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Speaker 1: a third black man who lived in the city, but

524
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: everyone just called him Inward John, only they did not

525
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: use Inward, they used the you know, uh, he lived

526
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Speaker 1: in a shack and was not included in the town census.

527
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: So that is that is the kind of town that

528
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Speaker 1: John Wayne is born into. Christ Uh existence of that man,

529
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: oh boy, Yeah, I don't know what was going on

530
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: with that dude, but it can't have been easy, Like

531
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: how do you not avoid dying every single day as

532
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the only black man in that town? Yeah, I mean

533
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: I have you have to assume living kind of on

534
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: the outskirts of town, but not being represented in the census,

535
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: he had some role he played that was like picking

536
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: up scrap or something, where as long as he's stuck

537
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: to his area, it was you know that that would

538
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: be my assumption. But I don't probably found him from

539
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: another town, brought him there to just make them feel superior,

540
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: to have somebody to do a slurezze. Someone who looked

541
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: down there knows that, yeah, it's it's it can't be

542
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: a good story, right, whatever the truth is, it cannot

543
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: possibly be good. We need that John's story later on.

544
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: But anyway, this is about Marian. So yeah, that dude

545
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: earned the name John. At least that has to have

546
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: been his name. Um. So, one pretty good BuzzFeed article

547
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: that I found on John Wayne describes Marian's parents as

548
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: quote an implacable woman married to a sweet ne'er do well.

549
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Now that's a little bit too friendly, and that that's

550
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: broadly in line. So biographer Scott i'man kind of describes her. Similarly,

551
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: Biographer Richard Douglas Jensen describes Marian's mother is straight up abusive. Um,

552
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: probably physically abusive and definitely mentally abusive. That does seem

553
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: to be pretty accurate. Both Morrison's were part of what

554
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: biographer Scott i'man describes as a nervous middle class of

555
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: early early twentieth century America. These are the people we

556
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier on in the episode. These like

557
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: folks who they're now doing these kind of more emasculating jobs.

558
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: They're they're potentially having more like kind of wealth than

559
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: Americans had before. But also there's this endless series of

560
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: recessions and great depressions and ship that occurs in the

561
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. So this sort

562
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: of prosperity and this kind of easier life is married

563
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: to the fact that, like everything can fall out from

564
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: under you at any time because there's a run on

565
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: the bank or whatever. So they're they're nervous right there

566
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: there on paper, doing better than their ancestors, but they

567
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: feel no sense of actual security. So she's they're just

568
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: kind of like whittling her husband down to a little

569
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: nub about like, how come you ain't got no more

570
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: callouses on your hands? Huh, Yes, that's exactly what's happening, Pumpkin,

571
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: Lily pussy like that. Yeah, yeah, I think you've got

572
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: her voice exactly. I mean, I liked I just like

573
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: blaming the woman in this case. No, but it's look,

574
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: we need some female villains, and for every male villain,

575
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's some of them have a lot of

576
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: mom issues, and I think those moms deserve credit. What's

577
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: very progressive about this story, Francesca is that normally when

578
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: we have a bastard and you go into their upbringing,

579
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: it's like mom was super sweet and supportive, but then

580
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: she like dies suddenly, and like their dad's beating the

581
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: shit out of him, or like Hitler's dad, where he

582
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: beats the ship out of him, but then he dies

583
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: and it throws the family in the chaos. Here Clyde,

584
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: he's kind of an alcoholic, but he's a sweet dude.

585
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Nobody ever says anything bad about Clyde. He's a nice guy.

586
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Mama is a terrible person. It sounds like we're building

587
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: to what a bad mom she is. Yes, maybe she

588
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: was just angry at how big he was. Um, she

589
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: can't poop right, I mean absolutely not, never the same,

590
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: never the same, never the same. It's time for the

591
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: first You know who else can't poop? Right, Francesco, I

592
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: was hoping you would do that one. The products and

593
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: services that support this podcast, not not a single one

594
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Speaker 1: of them, all horrible, horrible stomach problems, potentially fatal. That's everyone.

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Speaker 1: We let's sponsor our podcasts. Are you actively dying? If not,

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Speaker 1: you can't sponsor this show. That's that's the rule. That way,

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00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: If you don't like an advertiser on the show. You'll

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Speaker 1: know they're not long for this world. And that's the behind.

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Speaker 1: The bastards guarantee got us the boredom out. That's what

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Speaker 1: you got. You gotta buy now, you gotta buy now,

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Speaker 1: you gotta give all Right, here's ads. We're back. So

602
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about Clyde Morrison, John Wayne's dad, although John

603
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Wayne is just merrying at this point. So Clyde fucking Clyde. Uh,

604
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, born too late to conquer the frontier. He's

605
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: got a series of shitty desk jobs. He'd attended college

606
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: on a football scholarship, but he didn't do great and

607
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: he wound up getting a job as a pharmacist. Um.

608
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: He's a really nice guy. He's known as like people

609
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: will say, if he had four bits in his pocket,

610
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: he'd buy a beer with one and give the rest

611
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: to you so that you could like sit and talk.

612
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 1: Um this guy, he's a nice guy. Um. He's also

613
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: kind of a pushover and his wife is very ambitious

614
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: and hard charging. She was if not straight out abusive

615
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: as Jensen claims, then everyone seems to agree pretty casually.

616
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Kind of crue when his when Marion's younger brother was born,

617
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: she decided, and his younger brother's named Robert. He's born

618
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: when Marrion's about three. She decides she likes his younger

619
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: brother better, and she gives him Marion's name. Because Marion's

620
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: middle name had initially been Robert, so she takes his

621
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Speaker 1: his name, and she gives it to his younger brother,

622
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: and she gives him a new middle name, Mitchell Um.

623
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Speaker 1: In the book John Wayne The Life and Legend, Scott

624
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: i'man explains all of this sloppy switching happened in earl Ham,

625
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: where the family moved to nineteen ten, and where Marion's

626
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: younger brother, Robert, was born in December nineteen eleven. Using

627
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: a child's name is the p and and now you

628
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: see it, now you don't. Shell game was only the

629
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: beginning of Marion's ragged childhood. What probably happened is that

630
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: his mother, a formidably strong willed, read borderline unpleasant woman

631
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: born Mary Brown in eighteen eighty five and Lincoln, Nebraska,

632
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: simply appropriated the older boys middle name for the preferred

633
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: new arrival. So she takes his name because she likes

634
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: his little brother better, like which is Rother the most

635
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: redeeming part of his name. Robert, thank you for saying that. Yeah,

636
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: gives it. Mitchell, what a ship name. You're never gonna

637
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: be nothing but an eminem's Mary and Mitchell, Mary and Mitchell.

638
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: Get down here, Mary and Mitchell Morrison. That's what it

639
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: stands for. Now, Robert, you can come over here. You

640
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: don't got to do chores today. Yeah, that's more or

641
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: less what goes on. So Molly Morrison was famed for

642
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: her frequent rages, where again Clyde's pretty retiring. So as

643
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: he grows up, Marian comes to vastly prefer hanging out

644
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: with his dad while his brother Robert becomes a mama's boy,

645
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: which suited Mama just fine because she only likes her

646
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: little boy. So winter Set, Iowa, to this day has

647
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: not really gotten over John Wayne, but he gets over

648
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: his hometown basically immediately right the family moves to Nebraska

649
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: when he's like three or four, and he later tells

650
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: an interviewer, just about all I remember about winter Set

651
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: is riding horses, playing football, and the time I thought

652
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: I discovered electricity. And there's more to that quote, but

653
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read it because it's funnier if

654
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't. So Marian's really need to know more about

655
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: when he thought he discovered it's it's not as funny.

656
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: He's just letting your imagination go. He's like, when I

657
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: actively tried to kill myself because my mom was driving

658
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: me nuts. Yeah, I mean essentially, yes, And I stood

659
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: out in a storm. Yeah, I mean you you have

660
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: literally grasped it. Yes, Okay, Okay, I like it. I

661
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: like the interview something out. Yeah, it's cute kids stuff. Right,

662
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: He's just a kid at this point. So his early

663
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: life is very unstable. The family moves constantly. They've moved

664
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: like a bunch of times by the time he's seven

665
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: or eight, which is not super common for this period. Right.

666
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: You know my early life, we moved a bunch, but

667
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: like you had cars, you know, it wasn't hard. Right. Um,

668
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: So he's moving in a period of time where that's

669
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: a real trauma. Uh. Clyde is bad with money. He

670
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: declares bankruptcy, he loses his pharmacy. Um, he's like moving

671
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: around taking up ship jobs. Uh. This pattern repeats itself

672
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: a couple of times until in nineteen thirteen, when Marian

673
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: is six, the family moves to des Moines with Molly's

674
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: fit to live with Molly's family while Clyde tries to

675
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: get back on his feet. So they're living in des Moines.

676
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Nineteen fourteen comes around, World War One kicks off, you

677
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: know over in Europa stand yes, make more men, Make

678
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: more men. Oh yeah, well that's gonna have an impact

679
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: on the story. But if initially the US hasn't involved

680
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: in World War One, although guys like Teddy Roosevelt Shure

681
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: want us to be. And while this is all kind

682
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: of building up, Clyde's father, uh, you know, Marian's grandpa

683
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: buys a parcel of land in California and asks if

684
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: his son wouldn't mind like working it. Um like, hey,

685
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: you guys, wanna nothing else has worked? Want to try

686
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: farming in California? Uh? So Clyde has no experience doing this,

687
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: he's not particularly apt for farm life, but he's like, sure,

688
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: we'll give it a shot. So the family moves across

689
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: the country to live with their grandparents and try to

690
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: make it go with a farm. So here's the problem, Francesca.

691
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: The place where Clyde Sr. Purchases eighty acres is Palmdale, California.

692
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: You ever been to Palmdale, I don't think so. No.

693
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: So it is right next to the Mojave. It gets

694
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: about four inches of rain in a good year, which

695
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: is slightly more than Portland's got the day before I

696
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: wrote this episode. So most things do not grow well

697
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: in palm Dale. If you are able to divert tremendous

698
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: water resources from elsewhere in the state, you can make

699
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: a pretty good go of avocado farming there right now.

700
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: That was not really happening at this point, and it's not.

701
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: It's not a good place for agriculture. And the specific

702
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: thing they try to grow there initially is corn, which

703
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: does not do well in a climate like this. No. Yeah,

704
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: Palmdale's where I'm I'm looking at it. All the poppies

705
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: are people, you know, there's definitely unsers go and take

706
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: photos of themselves on the poppies. It's beautiful. It's a

707
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: lovely part of the part of the state. Grow there. Yeah,

708
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: I think you could grow opium there if you wanted to,

709
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: but um, you know, it's not a great place to

710
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: be a farmer unless you're being a very specific kind

711
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: of farmer. And they decided to grow corn, and again,

712
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: like Ukraine, is one of the countries in the world

713
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: that grows the most corn. Think of the climate of

714
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: Ukraine versus a town right on the edge of the Mojave.

715
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: You know. Um, So the Morrisons start trying to grow

716
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: ship and their whole plot is kind of a land scam.

717
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: There was some rules with the government where if they

718
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: could develop all eighty acres, the government would give them

719
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: another five hundred something acres. So it's they're they're trying

720
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: to like game the government to to to make it rich.

721
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: But they are going to have to be better at

722
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: farming than they wind up being to do that. So

723
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: the only house on the property is what John Wayne

724
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: later later called a glorified shack. It was unpowered, unheeded,

725
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: and it had no running water. Uh yeah. Marian later

726
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: called the terrain as barren deserted country. Um. But he

727
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: and his dad set to work trying to make the

728
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: desert bloom. So while they're struggling to farm, Muscular Christianity

729
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: in the United States is reaching its apex. When World

730
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: War One kicks off, Teddy Roosevelt himself repeatedly urged the

731
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: US to get involved, right like, we're just being a

732
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of girls. If we don't get

733
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: involved in this war and feed our sons to machine guns.

734
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: Um and Woodrow Wilson, who gets to be the president,

735
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: campaigns on not doing that. He's like, it seems like

736
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: a bad idea World War One. Maybe we should stay

737
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: out of that. Obviously, he's not going to stick to

738
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: his guns. Um So, Teddy Roosevelt and him are kind

739
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: of having this big public spat over whether or not

740
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: the US should get involved. Um and and and Teddy

741
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: is not the only one really pushing the United States

742
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: for involvement. There's a whole culture that grows up on

743
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: the right wing urging intervention in World War One. And

744
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read another quote from Jesus and John Wayne here.

745
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Former professional baseball player Billy Sunday preached this new muscular

746
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: Christianity with unrivaled zeal Wanting nothing to do with the

747
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 1: sissy lily livered piety, Sunday preferred to pack his old

748
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: muscle loading gospel gun with ipocac, buttermilk, rough on, rats, rock, salt,

749
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: and whatever else came in handy and let it fly.

750
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: In the spring of nineteen seventeen, with America's injury into

751
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: the First World War, Sunday's militancy went beyond metaphor. He

752
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: had no time for pacifists or draft dodgers, God forsaken months,

753
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: or apparently for nuance of any kind. And these days

754
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: all our patriots or traitors to your country and the

755
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: cause of Jesus Christ. An evangelist for war, Sunday was

756
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: known to leap atop his pulpit waiving the American flag.

757
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: Now I read that quote because this is a guy

758
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: who's prominence in the US right way. When John Wayne

759
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: is a kid. Later on, our boy Marion is going

760
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: to grow up to become this man. You know, essentially,

761
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: this is what he does during Vietnam. Um causes the

762
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: problem when you conflate nation building with like Jesus and religion.

763
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: This is the problem when you when you have like

764
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: ch shin settler colonialism is when you've stopped settling, when

765
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: you've stopped killing one set of people, you are existentially

766
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: like in a crossroads, your bankrupt. You're like, who I am?

767
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: You know anything to do? If we're not killing people? Yeah? Right?

768
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: And then you think and then you think that Jesus

769
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: and your God just wants you to kill more people

770
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: and that will then prove yourself. Yeah. It's like it's

771
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: like you know, you you, you know, you have these

772
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: guys who like work their whole life at some sort

773
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: of horrible financial industry job and they're able to retire,

774
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't get to do anymore.

775
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: But then once they retire, one of two things happens.

776
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: They either die immediately because they don't have anything to do,

777
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: or they get real into cryptocurrency. Um, and we're in

778
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: America's like cryptocurrency phase, our first one right here, right

779
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: that that's what World War one is is like board

780
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: apes for for the United States. It's the other way

781
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: for us to chase those highs. Yeah, it's like our

782
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: midlife crisis. Yeah. So um yeah, our boy marian Um

783
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: at this point, he's a little kid with a girl's

784
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: first name, which causes him a lot of problems. So

785
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: he goes to a public school. Uh, there are no

786
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: busses back then, so he has to ride a horse

787
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: miles every day to and from class. And today this

788
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: would make you the toughest son of a bit in

789
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: second grade. But this is rural California in nineteen fourteen,

790
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: so it's not an uncommon thing to be doing. Um,

791
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: but he does get mocked constantly because again his name

792
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: is Marian. Other kids asked him why his mom didn't

793
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: send him to school in skirts biographer Scott i'man rights.

794
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: Not surprisingly, in later years he didn't particularly like to

795
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: talk about his childhood. His last wife said that the

796
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: stories came out only in fragments during their twenty years together.

797
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Mainly he felt unloved by his mother and was quietly

798
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: distressed by his father's ineffectuality. So kind of a sympathetic

799
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: kid at this point. A little bit yeah, a little

800
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: bit of um, you know, making of a mass shooter. Yeah, yeah,

801
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: you can see a few places this to go right.

802
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: So a lot of negative left wing coverage of John

803
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: Wayne will note his upbringing in suburban Glendale, which is

804
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: where he winds up after this, and that he's like

805
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: a surf bomb as a young man, to kind of

806
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: make the case that his cowboy mystique was all a lie.

807
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't really think that's fair, because again, he does

808
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: spend years on a farm in the middle of nowhere

809
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: in a pretty rugged terrain, like riding a horse to

810
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: and from school every day. One of his jobs on

811
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: the farm is to stand in the field with a

812
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: rifle looking for snakes while his dad works the field,

813
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: because like, if his dad gets bitten by a snake

814
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the desert, he's going to die.

815
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: So this is actually like the source of a lot

816
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: of trauma for John Wayne because he's he's standing out

817
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: there with a gun trying to shoot spot and shoot

818
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: snakes in time to stop his dad from getting bitten.

819
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: And he just constantly has these fucking nightmares when he

820
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: goes to sleep at night of like being too late

821
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: and his dad getting bitten by a snake. Um, that's

822
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot to put on like a seven year old kid.

823
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: His mom would never let him live that one down.

824
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: But like I'm also imagining a kid who's all so

825
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: bored to tears standing there absolutely and then just imagining

826
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, hordes of Indians on the plane,

827
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, just coming over the mountain, and like just

828
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: very in his imagination. He definitely is, And he spends

829
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: when he's like riding his horse to and from school

830
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: and ship, he spends a lot of time imagining cowboy

831
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: fights and being attacked by bandits and ship which you

832
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: get very normal ship for a seven year old or

833
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: whatever in this situation. Um, And he notes that like

834
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: even though he has all these nightmares, he he never

835
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: talks about it, Like he's he's constantly dreaming about like

836
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: thousands of snakes coming to attack him and his dad. Um.

837
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: But he he doesn't feel like he can say anything,

838
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: like you're not allowed to talk about being afraid of

839
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: things as a young man in this period, so he

840
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: just kind of keeps it bottled up inside. Now being

841
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: a kid. Um. Yeah, like I said, he's he's got

842
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: all these different fantasies and stuff, and it seems like

843
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: some of the happier moments in his childhood at this

844
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: period are the time he spends on a horse kind

845
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: of lost in fantasies, riding to and from school. And

846
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: at least according to Scott, i'man he loves this horse. Uh.

847
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: Jinny is her name, um, and she's his, she's his, his, his,

848
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: his buddy out there. But she's also got some sort

849
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: of chronic stomach illness that makes it impossible for her

850
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: to put on weight. So no matter how well the

851
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: Morrison's feed her, she looks like she's starving. Now, if

852
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: you know California Francesca, you know, it's full of people

853
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: who are bad at minding their own damn business. And

854
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: a neighbor calls the Humane Society to claim that Marian

855
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: is abusing this horse. Wow, that's like the next door

856
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: of the early ninety it's just like a skinny horse.

857
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: This little kid in this little horse. I feel like

858
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: he's not feeding it enough. Yeah, so Scott, i'man rights

859
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: Marian stoutly insisted he was always feeding his horse, that

860
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: he carried oats for the horse, even on their daily

861
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 1: commute to and from school. His teacher and his parents

862
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: stood up for him. The county vet examined the horse

863
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: and diagnosed the wasting disease, but a sense of outrage

864
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: over being falsely accused never left him. I learned you

865
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: can't always judge up her Sonora situation by the way

866
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: it appears on the surface. He remembered, you have to

867
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: look deeply into things before you're in a position to

868
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: make a proper decision. So they tried to cancel him.

869
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: Try to cancel him. Cancel culture came for John Wayne

870
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,479
Speaker 1: because of his ragged ass horse of some nosy lib

871
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: was like, that horse needs more food. Shut the funk. Up,

872
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: and he does have his he has his old yellow

873
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: moment because this horse never gets better and they have

874
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: to shoot it. Yeah, you know, it's what happened to

875
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: horse that I do not know. Possibly, although I kind

876
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: of I would. I think maybe his dad would be

877
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: the kind of dude to not put that on his kids.

878
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: I don't really know. Um, horse, Maryan, you're shooting your horse.

879
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: You're shooting your best friend, Jenny. Shoot your best friend Jenny.

880
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: Then we're eating her because we're poorous shit. So, despite

881
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: trying very hard, Clyde and Marian are terrible at farming

882
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: um and the hundred and eighteen degree summers very quickly

883
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: forced Clyde's ailing parents to flee for the cooler climates

884
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. When they leave, they tell their son like, hey,

885
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: we made a bad call with this farm. You guys

886
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: should probably get the funk out of here too, write like,

887
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like Palm Dale going anywhere good? Maybe move

888
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: to l A. It's it seems like it'll always be

889
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: affordable and a good place to live. Citrus trees at

890
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: this point, but citrus trees at this point. Yeah, there's

891
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: like forty people there, So Clyde tries for a little

892
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: while more to farm this this plot of land. But

893
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: when the horse dies, Marian has to walk or hitch

894
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: my hike like an eight mile round trip to school

895
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: every day. Um. It's just a brutal way for a

896
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: kid to live, Like, he's got to get up hours

897
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: before he starts this hike to do his chores because

898
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: you know it's a farm. Um. But he's also he

899
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: does really well in school. Still, he's a good student,

900
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: and he distracts himself self from the realities of his

901
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: life by obsessively reading and rereading catalogs, particularly Sears catalogs,

902
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: and just like underlining all the things he's going to

903
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: buy one day when he somehow gets money. Um. Classic

904
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: poor kids shit. Uh, pretty pretty normal behavior. So after

905
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: about two years, his parents can barely stand to be

906
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: in the same room as each other. Farming kind of

907
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: destroys the marriage and they have no money. All of

908
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: their crops keep getting eaten by jack rabbits, so like

909
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: a lot of Meanwhile, what's Robert doing, Rombers just like

910
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: sitting there and like fucking useless pieces of ship. Robert Morrison, motherfucker. Yeah,

911
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: maybe we should call him John Lame. Um. So they

912
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: decide farming is not gonna work, and like a whole

913
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: bunch of Armenians are going to do a few years

914
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: from this point, the Morrison's leave home and they move

915
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: to Glendale, California. Um, now, well, yeah, I like we

916
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: got the brand mall over there. You've got you. You

917
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: have the pets coffee that sells one in every other

918
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: city is the tantalizing Turkish coffee blend. But in Glenda

919
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: Dale they call it, uh something else without the word.

920
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: I think that's just the tantalizing blend because you you

921
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: don't want to have Turkish in the name of a

922
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: coffee that you're selling in little Armenia. Not really a

923
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: good call Armenia. It's it is, it is. It is

924
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: verging on the size of regular Armenia. Now it's a big,

925
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: big place. I love Lyndale. Actually it's very pretty, very

926
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: nice town. Um, and today it is like a sizeable

927
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: Like it's not a small city. I mean, obviously, like

928
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: all of Los Angeles is a bunch of separate cities,

929
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: but also kind of one big gas city. Um, that's

930
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: not really the case. When the Morrison's moved to Glendale,

931
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: it is kind of like it's separate little town on

932
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: the outskirts of Los Angeles. I think it's like eight

933
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: thousand people, um, which is way it's kind of like

934
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: like Octopole in population. In a couple of years after

935
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: they moved there, like it, it blows up big time, right, Um.

936
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: But at this point it's kind of a sleepy suburb. Um.

937
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: So Marian is nine when they moved to the Los

938
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: Angeles burbs. Uh. And you know, at this point he

939
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: has finally made it more or less to the city

940
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: that's going to make him famous. Uh. So they move in,

941
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: they get used to l a life. They get a dog,

942
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: an Airdale they named Big Duke. Um. The name of

943
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: this dog is borrowed from the movie Dog of a

944
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: fake cowboy named Tom Mix, who is like one of

945
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: the most popular cowboys of the day we'll be talking

946
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: about in a bit. And maryan he's like Marian's idol. So,

947
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: like you know, obviously, as a little kid in this period,

948
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: he's watching cowboy movies every chance he gets. And Tom

949
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: mixes the big cowboy. Um. And so his Tom Mix

950
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: and then Duke was the name of the big dog

951
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: of the dog in the Cowboy movie. And then Duke

952
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: becomes John Wayne's nickname. That's right, that's how this is

953
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: how this happens. So his dog, Big Duke, has a

954
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: habit of chasing fire engines. Incredibly stereotypical upbringing this kid has,

955
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: so Marian winds up chasing after his dog a lot,

956
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: and often to the fire station. And so local firefighters

957
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: start to know this kid and his dog and they

958
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: kind of adopt them. They realize like his family super poor,

959
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: so they'll give him milk and they'll say like, oh, hey,

960
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: this is for like your cat at home, but really

961
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: it's for the family because they're too poor to buy milk. Um.

962
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: Very nice firefighters, and they'll they'll hang out with Marian

963
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: and because his dogs Big Duke, and is apparently quite

964
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: a personality as a dog, they just start calling both

965
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: of them Duke and eventually start calling Mary and little

966
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: Duke um. And that's how he gets his nickname. That's

967
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: how he became becomes the Duke is These firefighters start

968
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: nicknaming him based on his dog manly Men. Yeah, renamed

969
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: the Manliest Man. They did from Maryan and he he

970
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: as soon as these firefighters give him a nickname, he

971
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: stops going by Marian and starts going by Duke and

972
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: he will all his life. That's what his friends call

973
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: him is thank God. Yeah, I mean absolutely you would

974
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: pick Duke over Mary It. Yeah, it's like, oh, you

975
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: can just pick a name. You could just have a name,

976
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: like you can make it anything you want. Huh. Yeah,

977
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: welcome to Hollywood, kid. I was kind of surprised because,

978
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, you hear his nickname is the Duke, and

979
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: you figure it's generally when someone has a nickname that's

980
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: hyper masculine, you assume there's a very sad story about

981
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: how they picked it for themselves. And no, this is

982
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: actually kind of a sweet story. He got adopted by firefighters.

983
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: That's nice. Yeah, no, and it's actually cute. I mean,

984
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: the real Duke was the dog. But the real Duke

985
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: was the dog. He is nickname. He is like Indiana

986
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: Jones named for the dog, little Duke, Little Duke. So

987
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: you know, the Morrison's bounced around a handful of small

988
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: homes in their early years in l A. Clyde is

989
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: never able to keep a job well enough to build up,

990
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of savings necessary to stay in

991
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: a place for long. He keeps on giving people with

992
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: him and drinking. I don't want to go home to

993
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: my wife. Yeah, that is a big part of it.

994
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: Um so. And yeah, he's from a pretty young age,

995
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: Like the time he's nine, his dad can't afford to

996
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: buy him clothes, so he has to get jobs in

997
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: order to like keep himself in clothing. Um. Again, not

998
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: an easy childhood, although not out of step with a

999
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: lot of kids in this period. Again, these are not

1000
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: like he's not like the only kid with this upbringing

1001
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Right, everybody's trying to fucking poor, you know.

1002
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: Um So, he's tinned. By the time the United States

1003
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: makes the decision to get into w W one. Um.

1004
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: Obviously Roosevelt big advocate of World War One being a

1005
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: thing for the US to get involved in. Um, everyone's

1006
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: very excited. The muscular Christianity side crowd is super into

1007
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: the war when it starts, But it does not go

1008
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: the way Americans had hoped, as europe had already learned.

1009
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: Modern warfare is a pretty nasty thing. Old West style

1010
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: heroism gets you mowed down in rows by machine gun fire.

1011
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: A hundred and sixteen thousand Americans will die in the

1012
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: war in just like a year's time. Uh. And one

1013
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: of these Americans is Quentin Roosevelt, the President's son, which

1014
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: really fucks him up forever. Um might have been a

1015
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: bad call, Teddy, damn back then when presidents actually say

1016
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: their kids to war. Three of his sons, I think

1017
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: will fight in World War One. He was. He was not.

1018
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: He was a lot of things, but he was not

1019
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: about this at least he was not a hypocrite like

1020
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: and he actually tries desperately to to fight himself. He

1021
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: attempts to like raise a volunteer regiment and go fight

1022
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: in World War One. But the president at the President

1023
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: Wilson is like, Teddy, you are a former US president.

1024
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: You're not going to go fight in World War One. Like,

1025
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I'm not going to let you do that.

1026
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: That's that's nuts. We'll send your kids, Yeah, we'll send

1027
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: you kids. Um. And the fact that World War One

1028
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: is this it just kind of ends as this horrible

1029
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: meat grinder um as it began, does a lot of

1030
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: damage to the concepts of muscular Christianity, just kind of like,

1031
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's versions of this going on in Europe

1032
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: that get torn apart in the fields of Flanders and whatnot.

1033
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Christin Cobbs Dumez rites. When the war came to a close,

1034
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: no amount of patriotism could obscure the fact that it

1035
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: had been fought at great cost and with little apparent gain.

1036
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: Roosevelt model of masculinity had been found Wanting the war,

1037
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: it seemed, had presented Americans with the horror of having

1038
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: myths about blood and fire and mutilation and blindness come true.

1039
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: For liberal Protestant internationalists, the disillusionment was especially Keen. Sherwood Eddie,

1040
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: a leading Liberal Protestant proponent of the war, expressed dismay

1041
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: at his pro war activism. I believed it was a

1042
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: war to end war, to protect womanhood, to destroy militarism

1043
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: and autocracy, and to make a new world fit for

1044
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: heroes to live in. He confessed, the carnage and horrors

1045
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: of warfare put an end to all that. So one

1046
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: of the things that happens here, this muscular Christian movement

1047
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: that gets us into World War one splinters because a

1048
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: chunk of the US folks who want to get into

1049
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: World War one are liberals who are like, maybe if

1050
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: we do this war, it will put an end to

1051
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: like these autocratic dictatorships that have been doing all this

1052
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: horrible ship around the world for years and engaging in

1053
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: constant brinksmanship with each other, and the other chunk of

1054
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: it is just dudes who are like masculinity is all

1055
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: about fighting, and they kind of split at this point,

1056
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: and one of those chunks is going to become the

1057
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: conservatives we know and are actively preparing to fight today.

1058
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: You know. Um good times. No, I was just gonna say,

1059
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, yeah, that's the part of going

1060
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: to war is the death part. Like that's the part

1061
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: of the muscular We must always be fighting. God is

1062
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: on our side, Like oh maybe maybe God's not ours,

1063
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe he's not on any side. It's not real.

1064
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I know. But it's just like what did

1065
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: you think was going to happen? Um, I mean, it's

1066
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: it's a hard lesson. We never really learned the lesson.

1067
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: I guess it was learned for a while and then

1068
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: there was like deep isolationism in the in the country,

1069
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: and um, World War two obviously it installed our intervention there. Um,

1070
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: we never learned any of the right lessons, which is like,

1071
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: don't don't trust anyone who tells you any of the

1072
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: who don't trust anyone who makes violence seem like a

1073
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: way to learn anything. Um, it's it's it's a it's

1074
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: an occasionally necessary thing, but it doesn't make you into

1075
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: anything other than a traumatized person. Yeah, You're dick will

1076
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: not grow. Your dick does not grow. Um, but it

1077
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: might get blown off by shrapnel. Um, like in the

1078
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: classic anti war song the Wang pre Bang, which is

1079
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: about us involvement in LAO. Pretty good song anyway. Uh

1080
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: so you know what else? Will blow your testicles off?

1081
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh wait, Sophie, are we is that good? Should we do? That?

1082
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: Is that how we leave into an ad break? Sumping

1083
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: was one thing, but blowing testicles off if you want

1084
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: to get gelded by white hot shrapnel. Um, listen to

1085
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: these ads. God, I hope it's a fucking Washington stap,

1086
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: So do I, Sophie, God hear it? Uh we're back.

1087
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: So you know all this this this kind of collapse

1088
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: of one of the things that happens. We've talked about

1089
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: how kind of the Christian muscular Christianity splinters after World

1090
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: War One, the one chunk of it kind of turns

1091
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: into super capitalist and business oriented, right being ra rai

1092
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: imperialism in war didn't really work out for us. What

1093
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: if we make Jesus into a businessman, you know, like

1094
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: a like a two fisted businessman. And we've talked about

1095
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: this in a couple of episodes, including Our two Partner

1096
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: and how they're all the rich eight Christianity. Um. And

1097
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: while this is worth noting because of what comes next,

1098
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that any of this really this is

1099
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: all happening in the background when Marian as a kid.

1100
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 1: I don't know that he. I think he certainly must

1101
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: be taking some of this in through osmosis, especially a

1102
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: lot of these more militant attitudes towards Christianity, which are

1103
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: reflected in the movies he's watching. Um, because he he

1104
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: loves himself some cowboy movies. UM. And he does grow

1105
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: up kind of obsessed with the nascent film industry in

1106
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. There's only a couple of studios in Glendale,

1107
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: but they're shooting a bunch of cowboy movie is where

1108
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: he lives, because it's kind of the outskirts of town

1109
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: at this point. So he spent a lot of watching

1110
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah, exactly. He's way into this stuff. Um.

1111
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: He's also super into sports, pretty normal stuff. His parents

1112
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: marriage gets worse and worse. His mother increasingly attacks and

1113
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: at least mentally abuses both him and his dad. Biographer

1114
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: Richard Jensen writes in When the Legend Became Fact The

1115
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: True Life of John Wayne Quote, Marion's dysfunctional parents filled

1116
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: the Morrison home with strife. Marian became a neurotic kid,

1117
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: unable to sleep normally without nightmares. Like all children growing

1118
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: up in a household filled with abuse, he internalized the

1119
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: strain of the abuse and blamed himself for their unhappiness.

1120
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: The movies where his respite from reality. Marian dreamed of

1121
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: being a cowboy, of being a sword wielding pirate, of

1122
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: being a movie star. So it all feels fairly I mean,

1123
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: is is hard, but fairly normal, fairly normal, not an

1124
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: uncommon tale, right, Um No, it's not like he's he's

1125
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: very much much embodies. I think there's some degrees to

1126
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: which it's abnormal. I think like the kind of scale.

1127
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: Like one of the things that's weird is shortly after this,

1128
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: his parents divorce, which is abnormal, and his his mom

1129
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: takes Robert and he stays with his dad. Um, and

1130
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: that is god. Robert was not kid out of here

1131
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: Molly is coming back around in the third installation, Mark

1132
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: my words, people, Robert knows, but I don't Molly's gonna

1133
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: come crawling back asking for money. You just wait, I

1134
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: mean probably right, Um, definitely when when John Wayne gets rich. Right,

1135
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: remember how good I was to you. I only dropped

1136
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: you a few times on purpose. I gave you that

1137
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: whole new name. So Mitchell Marian spends as much time

1138
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: away from his house as he possibly can, because it

1139
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: sucks there, Jensen continues. Duke was a rambunctious kid, athletic

1140
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: and imaginative. He was also restless. He stayed away from

1141
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: home as much as possible. He learned to be rough

1142
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: and tumbled. He learned to smoke cigarettes and taste alcohol.

1143
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: Years later, when Duke was diagnosed with lung cancer, he

1144
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: admitted to his family he'd smoked since I was just

1145
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: a kid. So it's like a chain smoking ten year

1146
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: old in Glendale, California. You know, story as old as time. Um,

1147
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: watching the movie sets, just just just pulling on a

1148
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: Marlborough watching people shoot at Cowboy Flick downtown. I'm just

1149
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: the Duke, my trusty dog. So once it's probably his

1150
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: dog's got a cigarette too, you have to assume. Um. Now.

1151
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: Once he hits high school, Marion develops an interest in

1152
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: theater and drama, but his chief obsession is sports of

1153
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: all kinds. The broad gist of his next few years

1154
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: is that he gets a football scholarship to play for

1155
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: the University of Southern California. Most Wayne bios will claim

1156
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: that he was a star player who enjoyed body surfing

1157
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: in his spare time. Um, he gets into surfing, but

1158
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: like poor people surfing where you're just kind of like

1159
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: throwing yourself into a wave and getting pushed to shore.

1160
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: Good old body surfing. Yeah, bodies serving, which sounds fun. Uh,

1161
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: he's real into the ladies. Uh. Since he was very tall,

1162
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: he grows up again to be huge, and he's muscular

1163
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: and athletic. As a young man, he's considered very handsome. Um.

1164
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: This is also the period, you know, the time when

1165
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: he is a teenager and a young man is when

1166
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: like you got your flapper era, women are starting to

1167
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: get liberated. There's a lot more girls are willing to

1168
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: like go out on dates, and casual sex starts to

1169
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: become a thing in mainstream American culture in a way

1170
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: it really hadn't been for a while. Um, and he

1171
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: comes of age during that period of time. He also

1172
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: becomes an alcoholic pretty early on. He's famous for drinking

1173
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: until he passes out at parties. Uh. He develops a

1174
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: passion for drag racing, and for the rest of his

1175
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: life he would drive so fast it frightened everyone in

1176
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: the car with him. Um. And was usually drunk while driving. Um. Yeah,

1177
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: that's forever He's getting up to be like just an

1178
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: average college douche bag, just a normal dude in the twenties. Yeah,

1179
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: just drunk, driving, puke and at parties hitting on girls

1180
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: body surfing um. Which. Tragically, he has a body serving

1181
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: accident that injures his shoulder and that cuts his football

1182
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: career short. That's at least the traditional narrative of why

1183
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: his football career fails. It may not be entirely true. Um.

1184
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: There are some prominent people who doubt that he failed

1185
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: at football because he heard himself, and one of them

1186
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: was would He Strode Wood. He was the first black

1187
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: action movie star in US film history. He was also

1188
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: a former professional football player with the Rams, which are

1189
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: a Los Angeles team at this point. Uh. And it

1190
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: was his opinion that Duke was always bad at football.

1191
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: He was not a good runner, and he probably wouldn't

1192
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: have succeeded at football. Now there's some debate about whether

1193
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: or not Strode is accurate in this assessment, because wood

1194
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: he Strode fucking hated John Wayne, and he had a

1195
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: good reason to hate John Wayne. The two starred in

1196
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: The Man Who Shot Liberty Valets together in nineteen sixty one.

1197
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: Uh and Strode was apparently shocked by how much of

1198
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: a bully John Wayne was to the cast and crew.

1199
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: He claims that Wayne Wayne like made a particular show

1200
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: of mocking Woody in front of everyone else for not

1201
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: being athletic. And again, Woody is a professional athlete. Um

1202
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,959
Speaker 1: like John Way, it's very funny that he would choose

1203
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: to do this blade for the ramps. So yeah, so

1204
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: it's clearly his own insecurity. Insecurity, yeah, or like maybe

1205
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: he just ran funny, Maybe he did run. He did

1206
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 1: run Funny. Jensen, his biographer, analyzes his running a bunch

1207
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: and it's like he did kind of run funny. I mean, yeah,

1208
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: you're you were meant for a horse kid. Yeah. And

1209
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: part of it is like one of the things that

1210
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: this shoulder injury he has, he kind of winds up,

1211
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: always stooped a little bit forward to one side, which

1212
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: gives him this kind of this awkward uneven gate. But

1213
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: that's part of what makes him so iconic. Yeah, yeah,

1214
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: this like gangster sort of lean and he kind of

1215
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: strides into these gunfights. It's it's a very distinctive walk.

1216
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: Um somebody surfing accident, Yeah, it's It's worth noting probably

1217
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: a lot of racism is also involved, because think John

1218
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Wayne is insecure about the fact that Woody Strode is

1219
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: a real athlete and also is just a white supremacist

1220
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: um and apparently on the man who shot Liberty Valance. Um.

1221
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: Wayne's taunting of Strode is bad enough that Jimmy Stewart

1222
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: has to take him aside and be like, dude, you

1223
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: gotta fucking cool off here, or Strode is going to

1224
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: beat your ass. Like this isn't okay. My money is

1225
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: on Strode on the big fellaw cut that out. He's

1226
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: a real football player. You know, we're not in Palm

1227
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: Dale anymore, oh, Jimmy. But like and and also he

1228
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: must have been older, because this is I don't know

1229
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: when it was like, yeah, he's like shot something. Yeah,

1230
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: that is kind of like the height of his career.

1231
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, um exactly, come on, John Wayne anyway, So

1232
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: whatever the truth is about why he gives up on

1233
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: his hoop dreams, that's what you call wanting to play football, right,

1234
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: So she's saying yes. So Marian decides to look for

1235
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: work in the film industry, which is splouting in the

1236
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. He gets a job with Fox Film working

1237
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: as a prop man, and this was the site of

1238
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: his first clearly documented example of being a huge dick. Right,

1239
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: this is where we have our heel turn for John Wayne.

1240
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: And he's firmly a band in the on the props team,

1241
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: on the prop team. So he gets his first gig

1242
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: in the film industry because of that famous cowboy actor

1243
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: Tom Mix. Uh. Now Tom is at this point in

1244
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: time in the late twenties, Tom is like the biggest

1245
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: star in the country. He is making as a cowboy

1246
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: movie star. He is making seventeen thousand dollars a week.

1247
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: So that's like pretty damn good money today. You know,

1248
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: like you're pretty rich if you're making that today. This

1249
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: is like nineteen fucking twenties something like he is crazy.

1250
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 1: That is all of the money in the United States.

1251
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: Tom Mix is getting for baby very handsome time. He

1252
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: was a good looking guy. He was a real ass cowboy.

1253
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: Tom Mix had been not just like that. He had

1254
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: farmed and ship. He had been as a younger man,

1255
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: was a marshal in the Old West who got into gunfights. Um,

1256
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: so he was not like it was not acting for

1257
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: Tom Mix. He had done some stuff. Um. Yeah, and

1258
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: he's Maryan's like obviously Marian idolizes this dude. Um. So

1259
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: the two meet, like they contrive a meeting and they

1260
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: hang out briefly while Duke is in college. Um, and

1261
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 1: Mix is impressed by marrying enough that he calls George Marshall,

1262
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: a film director, and he gets Mary in that first

1263
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: prop job on his first movie. How doubt did he

1264
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: manufacture that meeting? That's so hard. It's not like it

1265
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: is like today celebrities there's this wall between them and

1266
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. For a bunch of back

1267
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: in those days, it was not uncommon like they just

1268
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: be walking around town filming like celebrity. M Yeah, I

1269
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: just walked up to him and ship, you know, Um,

1270
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't his heart. He might have seen him on

1271
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: set at this point. Yeah, And he's, he's, he's. They're

1272
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: kind of in and around the same areas, and yeah,

1273
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: they wind up talking and mix does him a real So, like,

1274
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: that's a pretty cool thing to do for a kid,

1275
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: is just to be like, you got some potential kid,

1276
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: Why I'll get you a prop job. Maybe that'll help

1277
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: you move into the industry. Um. Now, most sources you

1278
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: will find, like casual sources will say, like, this is

1279
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: a job that didn't pay well, it was menial, shitty work.

1280
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: That is not true. Biographer Scott i'man will point out

1281
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: that this was crucial and why he was successful later

1282
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: because he's a very diligent and skilled prop man. Working

1283
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: in props teaches him how things look on screen. He

1284
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: learns how to like like because he thinks a lot

1285
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: about how does this not just like does this look right?

1286
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: But will this look right on camera? Um, which is

1287
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: an important thing for an actor to be thinking about.

1288
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: If you're going to be a successful actor, you always

1289
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: need to be thinking about how does shi it look

1290
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: when it's filmed as opposed to you know, how does

1291
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: it just like look in the real world. Um. And

1292
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: because of the skills he builds as a prop man,

1293
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: he's going to be a lot more successful as an

1294
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,879
Speaker 1: actor and eventually a director in the future. And Jensen,

1295
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: his other biographer, points out that he was really well paid.

1296
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: He's getting thirty five dollars a week at a time

1297
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: when a lot of people didn't make that in a

1298
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: month um as a college gig. So this is a

1299
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: really good job that Tom Mix had set him up with.

1300
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: Most people would consider this a huge solid but for

1301
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: the rest of his life, Duke would claim that Tom

1302
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: Mixed promised him an on screen job as a cowboy

1303
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: and then screwed him with the prop job. This is

1304
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: an obvious lie. For one thing, Tom Mix had a

1305
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: group of actual cowboys that he had with him on

1306
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: the set at any given time to do stunts and

1307
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: ship people that like, knew how to ride and knew

1308
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: how to rope, and we're real good at all the

1309
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: cowboys stuff. He was not known for just hiring random

1310
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: people to his crew, because he had folks he was.

1311
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: He was the top of the game. He didn't just

1312
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: pick up college kids. You know, Marion watched snakes, Robert, Okay,

1313
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: that's real world experience. He didn't know how to lasso,

1314
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, ship at it um that is that is

1315
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: something people will point out he sucked at lasso It

1316
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: so um, he sucked at one of the main things,

1317
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: that one of the big right, And that's part of

1318
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: why Jensen will be like, there's no way Tom Mix

1319
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: wanted to give this kid a job as a major

1320
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: on screen cowboy. He didn't know how to do any

1321
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 1: of that ship and Tom Mix had a crew of

1322
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: people he'd been working with for years. It seems like

1323
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: entitlement and like also sort of like ego of a

1324
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: movie star in development. Yes, it seems like what has

1325
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: happened is that Tom Mix did this kid an incredible

1326
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: solid and got him a good paying industry job, and

1327
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: then Duke spent the rest of his life hating his

1328
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: hero for it. Why Here's what Jen Synthora rises. The

1329
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: story is interesting because it is the first glimpse into

1330
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: Duke's little known narcissistic streak and propensity for viewing himself

1331
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: as the victim. It is the first time we see

1332
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: Duke's propensity for viewing his glasses half empty rather than

1333
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: half full, his penchant for thinking himself as lucky, perhaps

1334
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: as unlucky. Perhaps Duke believed after spending an entire year

1335
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: among the sons of privilege in college that he was

1336
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: entitled to special treatment. Perhaps it is a tale born

1337
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: of public relations. When Duke was cast in his first

1338
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: starring role in The Big Trail, he told every reporter

1339
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 1: who would listen that he'd beaten out Tom Mix for

1340
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: the role. Now this was again a lie, right, Uh.

1341
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: Mix wasn't even working with the same studio. And it

1342
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: said that when John, like when Maryan got his first

1343
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: like on camera gigs, he winds up on set with

1344
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: Tom Mix and he like confronts him about the fact

1345
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: that Mix screwed him out of a job, and Mix,

1346
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: being an actual cowboy quote, stared at the ungrateful young

1347
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: duke with a glare so cold that the chill was palpable.

1348
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: It's just like the funk are you saying? Like yeah,

1349
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: best response the two never talk against. That's what you

1350
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: did to your hero, This dude who does like that's

1351
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: like imagine that happening to anyone today. I still getting

1352
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: you a gig in the industry just because of a

1353
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: casual conversation like but also like a little bit of respect,

1354
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: like like I would I am such a like sort

1355
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: of like grateful, sick of fan I'd be like, oh, yes,

1356
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: give me and I'll take anything. I would never stop

1357
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: saying nice shit about mix, you know, but not John Wayne. Um.

1358
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: So he starts working as a prop boy and he

1359
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: serves as an extra like for side, Cash and Ship,

1360
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: just because the film needs it and because he wants

1361
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: to get on screen. His first role on screen is

1362
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: probably an anonymous Yale football player. There's some debate about this. Uh,

1363
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: He's uncredited and at least thirteen more roles over the

1364
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: next few years. Uh. During this period of time, while

1365
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: he's propping it up, um, he gets married to a

1366
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: young woman named Josephine Sands s A E. N Z.

1367
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: She's the daughter of a Spanish diplomat. All of his

1368
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: wives are going to be Hispanic or Latin American. Um

1369
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: Marian describes this as love at first sight, but he

1370
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: also slept around on her from the beginning. His justification

1371
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: before Christianity kind of well, it's even it's shadier than that,

1372
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: is that like, she's Catholic, right, and she can't fuck

1373
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: until marriage. So he he decides it's okay for me

1374
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: to sleep around prior to marriage because she can't have

1375
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: sex with me prior to marriage. Obviously, I need to

1376
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: have sex, so this is fine. That's why he dated

1377
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: like Catholic like Latina's Well I don't know about that. Um. Yeah,

1378
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: so he uh, he does this, Uh, he cheats around

1379
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,799
Speaker 1: on her constantly. Um. And then when they get married,

1380
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: it turns out she doesn't have much of a sex

1381
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: drive his words, right, we don't know anything about her

1382
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: attitude towards this, but he decides that because she doesn't

1383
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: have much of a sex drive, it's again okay for

1384
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: him to cheat on her constantly, even while he makes

1385
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 1: four children with her. Um. So John Wayne, you know,

1386
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: just John wayning it up. Although he's not John Wayne yet.

1387
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: He's about to become that though, because in nine Duke

1388
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: Morrison meets John Ford, the man who is going to

1389
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: make his career now. Ford was and still is a

1390
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: legendary director. A lot of most film nerds will agree

1391
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: he was a genius, like just one of these guys

1392
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: who helps invent the language of cinema in a lot

1393
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: of ways. Um. And Ford is also a hard son

1394
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 1: of a bitch. His dad had been a rum runner

1395
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: and a saloon owner. He was a proud Irish Catholic

1396
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: and a violent profoundly abusive man. John Wayne worked as

1397
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: his first worked as his prop man on a movie

1398
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: called Mother McCree, and his primary job to was to

1399
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: wrangle geese. During one particularly difficult scene, Ford decided to

1400
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: break the tension by mocking his newest employee, Duke. He

1401
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: asked this new kid if it was true he'd played

1402
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 1: football at USC. Marian says yes, and then Ford asks

1403
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 1: him to show the crew his technique. So Marian crouches

1404
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: down into position and for kicks his hands out from

1405
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: under him, so he falls forward on his face. Wow,

1406
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: that's just like the ship that goes down on a

1407
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:45,480
Speaker 1: John Ford set. And Marian just you know, toxic Hollywood

1408
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: very much so. And so you know, Marian, this is

1409
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 1: actually a very John Wayne moment, gets back in position

1410
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: and tells the director, why don't you try that again? Uh?

1411
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: And then when Ford tries it again, John Wayne kicks

1412
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: his austin the chest and knocks him down. Um. And

1413
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: this is apparently what starts their friendship. Now, oh, this

1414
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: may not be true, um. Jensen, his biographer, doubts this

1415
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: story is at least entirely true. For one thing, Ford

1416
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: and Wayne are the only people who ever told this

1417
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: story despite there being other folks on the set. Um,

1418
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: it's more likely that like Ford hit Wayne uh and

1419
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: maybe like you know, something happened there. But but this

1420
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: is just a little bit too perfectly masculine of a

1421
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood story to be real. Um. I imagine him just

1422
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: like covered with like geese ship to trying to not

1423
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 1: fun wrangling. But they had to create it. If Ford

1424
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: is any good at creating stars, Yeah, you have to

1425
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 1: build this kind of myth of these of these guys

1426
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: and their relationship, whatever the truth is. Shortly after this point,

1427
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 1: John Ford, who's a pretty powerful director at this point,

1428
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: brings unknown prop boy Duke Morrison into his inner circle.

1429
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: Now he doesn't put him in pictures, we'll talk about

1430
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,839
Speaker 1: that in a second, but he brings him in socially.

1431
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: And if the picture Jensen paints is accurate, this group

1432
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 1: that Duke starts hanging out with are quite quite a

1433
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: bunch of fellows. Quote. Duke insisted that he reveled in

1434
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: the masculine company affords drinking buddies. They formed a group

1435
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: called the Young Men's Purity, Total Abstinence and Yachting Association,

1436
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: whose goal was, in their words, the promuligation of the

1437
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: cause of alcoholism. They succeeded in their stated goal. Every

1438
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: member became a confirmed alcoholic of monumental proportions. The men

1439
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: often sailed on men's only cruises on Ford's yacht, the

1440
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: Rainer to mazat Land and stayed in the Belmar Hotel,

1441
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: a brothel. The owner had a pet python, and whenever

1442
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: someone passed out from drink, the python was placed on

1443
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: the supine drunkard's chest. Henry Fonda once passed out on

1444
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 1: the floor and awoke screaming in terror as he realized

1445
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: the snake at him in his clutches. So they're like

1446
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: sail into Mexico getting snake drunk, Like I like, I

1447
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: love this for them, Like everyone around them handed the

1448
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: ship it out of them. This is just must have

1449
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: been insufferable all the me too stories like these guys

1450
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: show up at the brothel and everyone's like shit, like yesh, shit,

1451
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: oh they're already drunk. They might not make it to sure.

1452
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 1: Fuck well, I mean that's I guess that's an easy

1453
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: job though, if they're already drunk and they're just kind

1454
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: of like you know, I mean, you know, what are

1455
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,839
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Arrive? Limptic with a python. You're like, Okay,

1456
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: they'll pay me anyway. Their Hollywood stars. Yeah, you just

1457
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: tell them you did it when they wake back up

1458
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: and they'll feel yeah it was great. Wow you were incredible.

1459
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you lasted forever. Oh my god. This is so

1460
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: Also it's like very and this is this is later

1461
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 1: but like it's very Kavanaugh. It's very like little Bretty

1462
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh in his day. Yeah, this is like, this is

1463
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: what all of these guys want to be because you know,

1464
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about the first era here. You know, with

1465
01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: these we're rotting Alcoholics Club, they're on yachts, they're out acoholics,

1466
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: all of them become famous. You know, this is like

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Speaker 1: the toxic masculine dream. And I hate all of these people, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're all they're all not not nice people. Marino movie

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Speaker 1: that I feel like Quentin Tarantino should have made in

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Speaker 1: terms of needs to still be a movie. Um Marino. Harra,

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Speaker 1: who was Ford's number one leading lady at this point.

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Speaker 1: Very Famous Star, claims that John Ford probably adopted Duke

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01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: because he was hot and Ford was super bisexual. Um.

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Speaker 1: It is unclear if this was true. Also, the term

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Speaker 1: bisexual gets used a lot by Jensen because his biography

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01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: is pretty old and he's not up on his terms.

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Speaker 1: Some people would just say that Ford was gay. It's

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Speaker 1: really unclear what the truth is. Ford was married and

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01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: he beat the ship out of his wife constantly and

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01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: in public. Um, that doesn't necessarily mean one thing or

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Speaker 1: the other about his sexuality. You can abuse your wife

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01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: and be bisexual. But it's worth noting that he pretty

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01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: much exclusively hung out with hot dudes. Um, who knows

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Speaker 1: what's going on there. Probably a few things are going

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: on there, you know. Now, this definitely has to be

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Speaker 1: a movie, and like you know, of course anyone can

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Speaker 1: beat there. No, obviously that doesn't say anything about sexuality,

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: but the performativeness of hitting a woman in public, there's

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 1: just a level of misogyny, which like, who is this

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Speaker 1: for for? For the idea of how abusive Ford is.

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Speaker 1: Men in the twenties are like that dude hits women

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01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot. That dude hits women a lot, and like

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: it is the twenties, you know, Um, it would not

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01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: be accurate to call John Ford a good friend to

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01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: to marry in the duke in this period. Jensen argues

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01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: that he quote continuously held duke back for years. Rather

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01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: than casting him in any of his many films, He

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Speaker 1: let Wayne struggle on as an extra and prop boy

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Speaker 1: for almost a decade, and it's alleged that he also

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Speaker 1: slandered marry into other directors when they considered casting him.

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01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: Interest so super controlling, very controlling, very much like I

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: want you around me, but I don't want to let

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Speaker 1: you get successful enough that you can leave me, you know, right,

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01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: good stuff, cool dude. So, after years of struggle, uh,

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01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: Marian Duke Morrison gets cast as a major character in

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01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: his first movie for the first time. Now. This is

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01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: called Words in Music in nineteen thirty nine. It's a

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01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: campus musical. It is not a good movie. Fox buries

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01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: it with a one day opening run in New York alone.

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01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: Very wisely, Uh. He goes by Marian, goes by his

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01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: nickname Duke in Hollywood, like his his screen name is

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01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: Duke Morrison rather than Marian Um. Certainly a good call.

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: The film makes no impact, but afterwards he gets another

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01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: prop job on another forward film, Born Reckless, and this

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01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: is where he comes under the eye of Rool Walsh,

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01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 1: who was in the process of casting for a western.

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: He had a clear idea of the kind of cowboy

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01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 1: actor he wanted. Quote a true replica of the pioneer type,

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01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: somewhat diffident with women, being unused to them, but a

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01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: bear cat among the men of the planes. So this

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01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: is like it's important for him to be big and tough,

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01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: but also awkward around women. Like that's what you want

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01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: in a male, Yeah, you don't want The masculine ideal

1524
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: at this point is not a guy who's a player.

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01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: It's a guy who's like attractive to women but kind

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01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: of uncomfortable around them because he spend so much time

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Speaker 1: in the woods, you know, doing manly stuff right, impenetrable, yes, um,

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01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: and a little bit you know that, a little bit unavailable,

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01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, because that's hot. Uh. So, oddly enough, this

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01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: fits Mary into a t He's a big guy, he's

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Speaker 1: clearly physically competent. He can at least portray the image

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Speaker 1: of hard one life experience, but he is awkward around women. Uh.

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Speaker 1: John Wayne would claim later that he never chased women.

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Speaker 1: This is a lie, but biographer Scott I am A

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01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: notes that his friends agree. Quote pushy Dame's really scared him, um,

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01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: which I think means like women who knew what they wanted. Yes,

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01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: he tends to go for inexperienced women. This is gonna

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01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: eventually lead to him marrying a teenager, so heads up

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01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: to where things are headed. But you know who won't

1540
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: well pity women slash women my age? Yeah, yeah, you

1541
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: don't wanna. You don't wanna marry people who can stand

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01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: up for themselves because they're as old as you and

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01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: have an understanding of what it means to an adult. Um.

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01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to get in on this. So all right,

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01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: you know that's probably a good point to end in

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01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: part one. We got a couple more to go. Francesco,

1547
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: what do you what do you? What do you? What

1548
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: do you got to plug here? Ah? Um? Yeah, everybody

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Speaker 1: check out the Bituation Room podcast um on where we

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts and we stream on YouTube and Twitch

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Speaker 1: and it's you know, news, comedy, all the things. Um,

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Speaker 1: not a lot of John Wayne. So if you need

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Speaker 1: a break from one of the two podcasts A Loud

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Speaker 1: under the biden Um Administration one of the two currently

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Speaker 1: Uh and remember, folks, if you hear about a podcast

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Speaker 1: other than this one, or the bituation Room, call the

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Speaker 1: to a podcast that can always read your book, Robert, Oh, no,

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Speaker 1: they cannot. They can listen to these two podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: they can watch reruns of Frasier. Everything else is illegal.

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Speaker 1: Cheers is not legal, absolutely not No, No, Frasier still legal.

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Speaker 1: Cheers very much banned. All right, God, I don't want

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