WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 7/27: Observations from Two Days of Training Camp

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our barat.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>you're wrong. I'm so fifty to fifty on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the hardest choice I made, Anthony Jennings, Matt Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>which guy is it? But it's the hardest choice of

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff on the roster projection. Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>toughest one. What was tougher for you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the whole roster?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, rights, go watch Savi, You're worthy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back in studio today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I just realized as I was walking in here. Morrell,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a couple of weeks since we've been live

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. That's okay, it's been a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, it's good to be back back from vacation

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<v Speaker 2>and back to Patriots training camp.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is from vacation. First off, of congratulations and

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<v Speaker 1>all the pleasantries. Meanwhile, I am over here. I remain

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<v Speaker 1>married to the game another word for single. I'm married

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<v Speaker 1>to the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's me, it's Evan Lazar and me Evan Lazar,

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<v Speaker 2>Alex barth Morell behind the glass for you. At the

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<v Speaker 2>next hour or so, we're gonna talk Patriots Training Camp,

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<v Speaker 2>Day two. And on the one hand, I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not just saying this just because I'm carrying anyone. I

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<v Speaker 2>love training camp like this is. This is my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>time of year. I'm so jacked up that camp is

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<v Speaker 2>back and that we get to cover training camp and

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<v Speaker 2>cover the practice. This is the best access that we

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<v Speaker 2>get to the team all year long because we actually

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<v Speaker 2>get to watch practice, which is a ton of fun

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<v Speaker 2>and into something that I absolutely love doing. With that said, Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be honest, this is a huge tease

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<v Speaker 2>the first couple of days, this new five day acclamation period.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally understand it from the player's perspective. They totally

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<v Speaker 2>were in their right to ram up slowly and not

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<v Speaker 2>just get thrown right into padded practices on day one.

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<v Speaker 2>With that being said, it's a tease for the media,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a tease for us. We get out there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wide eyed and ready to go on day one yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's an extension of what they were doing in

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<v Speaker 2>the spring. It's really not live Live. You're not evaluating

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<v Speaker 2>the line of scrimmage, that's for sure, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a slow ramp up. But with that

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<v Speaker 2>being said, we're still going to talk about everything that

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<v Speaker 2>we saw, or most of the things that we saw,

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<v Speaker 2>and break it all down and probably overreact a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too much to a few things here and there,

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<v Speaker 2>as we tend to do, but we try not to.

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<v Speaker 2>We try to tell you what's real, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big thing about this time of year two.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to get all my soapbox, but there's certain things

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<v Speaker 2>that are just training camp things, and then there's certain

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<v Speaker 2>things that actually have real football implications, and we try

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<v Speaker 2>our best on this show to separate those two things.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to give you things that are just

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<v Speaker 2>another run of the mill training camp practice and nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to really free out about or to be over the

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<v Speaker 2>top excited about either, but try to keep it even

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<v Speaker 2>keeled and talk about the things that actually matter. So

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<v Speaker 2>along those lines, my big opening take to camp two

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<v Speaker 2>days in, because we're not in pads yet and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really have a huge opening take in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the competitive portions of practice just yet. My opening take

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<v Speaker 2>is is that if there's anything to be really positive about.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the first two days, it's that for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, outside of Mike on Wennie and Calvin Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>and Cody Davis shout out Cody Davis, the Patriots are

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<v Speaker 2>healthy going into this camp. They're healthy. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>team in some ways, it's not quite as much buzz

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<v Speaker 2>as the twenty twenty one training camp where you had

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<v Speaker 2>the free agency spending spree, you had Mac Jones in

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<v Speaker 2>the first round, and there was a ton of buzz

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<v Speaker 2>coming into that season. But there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a pep in the step. I think a combination of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Brien of course, being back for the offensive players

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<v Speaker 2>is huge, the retention and the defensive players and what

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<v Speaker 2>they're building over there on the defensive side of the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is bringing a lot of optimism to that

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<v Speaker 2>side of things. They're healthy, there's some good there's some

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<v Speaker 2>good juju no pun intended. And last but not least,

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<v Speaker 2>the guys that are healthy outside of those three guys

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned off the top, they all passed the conditioning

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<v Speaker 2>tests and they're all out there, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that's really positive and it's something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>always happen. Sometimes you start camp and there's eight guys

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<v Speaker 2>on pup. Sometimes you start camp and some big names

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<v Speaker 2>didn't failed the conditioning test and aren't aren't working out

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<v Speaker 2>with the team and the rest of the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the roster. So I think there's some good the good mojo,

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<v Speaker 2>good vibes right now. And I compared to the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, that team, even though they didn't get where

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to go ultimately and the playoff game was

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<v Speaker 2>a dud, won ten games that made the playoffs. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that would be a pretty successful season. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how this goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree with you. And I just think

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<v Speaker 1>even on top of that, like you mentioned, everybody, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody came in healthy. We'll talk about the injury today,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think holds some significance, but it's there's even

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<v Speaker 1>within the practice themselves. I think there's that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>rejuvenation and energy, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're seeing already the impact a guy like

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<v Speaker 1>Bill O'Brien. Sorry, a guy is just too sweaty. I need

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<v Speaker 1>to get off everything. This sweats a shower, I do,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do. Hot day human. I don't do well

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<v Speaker 1>in the humidity.

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<v Speaker 2>We should have a media lockero.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we should, no, we should no, No, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna cut you off right there. You've seen, you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing I think already the impact Bill O'Brien makes on

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<v Speaker 1>just the way the offense operates. And I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a really low bar to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not like everybody knows where to line up, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>knows when they should be inter out of the formation,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows what the play call is. There's really only

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<v Speaker 1>been two instances so far through two days that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a bit of miscommunication. Tracey McSorley had to call

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<v Speaker 1>a time out right out of the on day one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't remember his macro's appy one of them today, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, it was mac Jones and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who was wrong in this instance, but mac Jones and

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<v Speaker 1>JJ Taylor. There was a moment as they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get lined up where there was a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>indecision about where JJ Taylor should be in the formation.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's it through two days. That's it. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even like there's been other fringe moments. They are

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<v Speaker 1>operating succinctly, and that's great to see right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that that's something that is important because

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<v Speaker 2>when you read the tweets from practice, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>again I'm not trying to like pick on anybody that

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<v Speaker 2>does the practice stats and does the two We all

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<v Speaker 2>do it. It's that's our job. Our job is to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what happened out at practice. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>read the tweets and you read some of the ups

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<v Speaker 2>and downs that the offense has had and quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>the results as they work in the red zone here

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<v Speaker 2>predominantly in the first couple of days of practice, the

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<v Speaker 2>results for the Patriots offense hasn't always been there. It

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't always been great. And by the way, you can

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<v Speaker 2>join the fun at eight five to five PATS five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred web radio at Patriots dot com get that in

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<v Speaker 2>there as well. It hasn't always been great. Mac Jones

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<v Speaker 2>has thrown an interception to Kyle Dugger on back to

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<v Speaker 2>back days. On the very first pass of training camp

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<v Speaker 2>and competitive drills, Mac Jones threw an interception to Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>Dugger in the back of the end zone on the

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<v Speaker 2>pass intended for MIKEASICKI so some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>you read in some of the stuff that you see

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be negative about the offense. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's important what you just outlined right there that

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<v Speaker 2>this type of negative is a lot different than the

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<v Speaker 2>type of negative we were talking about last summer. This

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<v Speaker 2>is just getting timing down, getting guys kind of in

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<v Speaker 2>the proper places in the pecking order. I think is

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<v Speaker 2>still a work in progress of where exactly Mac is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be looking in certain situations and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>But mainly, when you're in the red zone, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>condensed area. There was a portion of practice today where

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<v Speaker 2>Mac had a little bit of a streak in completions

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<v Speaker 2>where I think they ran the same play three times

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<v Speaker 2>in a row, and he basically made the same throw

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<v Speaker 2>three times in a row, and by the third time,

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<v Speaker 2>the defense just sitting there like really just ran like

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same play, right. So, I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>combination of the tight spacing of the red zone, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you're throwing a new offensive systemat guys, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of new key pieces like Juju and Mike Kasiki,

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<v Speaker 2>and day one, Day two, you're already working in the

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<v Speaker 2>hardest area of the field to score right. That that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a lot without.

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<v Speaker 1>Being able to go to the easiest way to score.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, without being able to run the football, and on

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<v Speaker 2>top of without being able to run the football. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>also say that they're not really adding quite yet very

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<v Speaker 2>many bells and whistles either. It's not like they're running

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of mister records. Yeah, it's pretty basic route concepts,

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<v Speaker 2>just things that you goal line, red zone style concepts

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<v Speaker 2>in the passing game. So I know that that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a cop out for the offense or trying to

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<v Speaker 2>sugarcoat what's going on offensively, but I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>long way of saying that we are far far away

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<v Speaker 2>from the dysfunk that we saw last year. This is

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<v Speaker 2>more execution based things that they need to clean up

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm confident they will clean up than a broken

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<v Speaker 2>system and a dysfunctional situation. And not like as much

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<v Speaker 2>as that bar is low, that is a bar that

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<v Speaker 2>they obviously needed to clear, and I think they have

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<v Speaker 2>cleared in this early stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the perfect example. I was kind of flashing back

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<v Speaker 1>to last year because the offense wasn't great yesterday, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't great. I don't think it was as bad as

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some people portrayed. But it wasn't great. But I

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<v Speaker 1>remember last year they weren't great on the first day.

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<v Speaker 1>And my big takeaway was, and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is true. Yeah, throughout a training camp, even a

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<v Speaker 1>great team that's great on both sides of the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be days the offense wins. There's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>days the defense wins. And what you look for and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know what was to come at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the first day of camp last year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're looking for is all right, defense one today.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the offense going to come out with a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of urgency tomorrow because you want to see that competitive fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they going to come out with a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>urgency tomorrow and punch back essentially right and go punch

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<v Speaker 1>for punch because that's what you want to see. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't perfect for the offense today, but they came

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<v Speaker 1>out and they went punch for punch. I thought there

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<v Speaker 1>were some really nice plays made by the offense today.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you got a really good indication of what

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<v Speaker 1>at least part of their identity should be in the

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<v Speaker 1>passing game. And Evan you're gonna hate this. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna say it. They're gonna be a jump

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<v Speaker 1>ball team. They're gonna their offense gonna feature a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fifty to fifty stuff. Seven of the and not

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<v Speaker 1>that all these guys are gonna make the team, but

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<v Speaker 1>seven of the nine receivers they currently have under contractor

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<v Speaker 1>over six foot. Four of the nine are currently over

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<v Speaker 1>six to two. That's not including six to five Hunter Henry.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not including six to six Mike Kasiki. And you

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<v Speaker 1>saw today Mac Jones first touchdown pass back shoulder fade

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<v Speaker 1>where DeVante Parker goes up, made a good play, not

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<v Speaker 1>that us you know, he's much taller than Marcus Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>but went up, jumped, caught the ball, got the feet

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<v Speaker 1>down on the sideline, made the catch. You saw Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Kisiki a little bit later in practice go up and

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<v Speaker 1>climb the ladder. There was a linebacker lurking in zone,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in between Mac and Gasicki, and Mac put

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<v Speaker 1>it up where the linebacker couldn't get it. Uh, Gasiki

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<v Speaker 1>has to go up and get it. And he goes

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<v Speaker 1>up and gets it. And I think that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>some of what they need to do right and in.

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<v Speaker 2>The red zone that's something that everybody does.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean part of, but they haven't. They've been very

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<v Speaker 1>small receiver. The point being they haven't been able to

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<v Speaker 1>do that in recent years in the red zone. Between

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<v Speaker 1>the twenties whatever. I think you're seeing that that is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be more. It's not gonna be everything. It

0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.000
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be everything, but that is gonna be more. If

0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it was gonna be everything, I think they would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a little more aggressive in DeAndre Hopkins because there's

0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.720
<v Speaker 1>nobody better at that than DeAndre Hopkins. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is gonna be more of their identity this year

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<v Speaker 1>than it's been in the past. The other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>stood out to me about the offense and even within

0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the struggles, what can you take away? And this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be some people are gonna call the ultimate Homer take.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's relevant. Mac Jones rookie year in camp. Yeah,

0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.360
<v Speaker 1>he would be really good until he made his first

0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.760
<v Speaker 1>mistake whatever, whether it was interception, whether he took a

0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.960
<v Speaker 1>bad sack, what have you, and he just you could

0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.959
<v Speaker 1>tell it bugged him. He wasn't the same player after

0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.559
<v Speaker 1>he made that first mistake. This was throughout the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a little better later on, but like it was

0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.079
<v Speaker 1>a thing with him that first summer that mac Jones

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<v Speaker 1>is really good until he threw a pick and then

0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.960
<v Speaker 1>all bets are off, and then last summer it was

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<v Speaker 1>just all bad. We never got to see him like

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<v Speaker 1>recover from a mistake because there was never anything.

0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.400
<v Speaker 2>More than the wall coverage, sacks, sot.

0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Mac Jones comes out, first play at camp yesterday, throws

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<v Speaker 1>a pick. Oh boy, all right, here we go. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought from there he'd a pretty good day. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought from there for what it was, see and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a pretty good day. And then today it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the opposite. Today was he had a good stretch

0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and then he threw the pick to Kyle Duggar towards

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<v Speaker 2>the end, and I was like, oh, well, I would

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<v Speaker 2>have really written that that was a really good.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't in that thing where and I'm the

0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.000
<v Speaker 1>same with you. I think you take that out. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a really good day. Yeah, it wasn't in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense I mean that was one of the last passes.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't I think it might have been his last pass.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't get to see him have that like bounce

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<v Speaker 1>back on the field. But what does he do? Drop down?

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<v Speaker 1>Did ten push ups? Push the push up and then

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<v Speaker 1>he went over to Kyle Duggar and he tapped him up, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Marine, How many push ups did you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>in the Marines five thousand million?

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<v Speaker 1>Mike wasn't on there. Sorry, I gotta turn the right

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<v Speaker 1>button on. Depends on what I was doing for not

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<v Speaker 1>turning your mic on. How many push up would you

0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.840
<v Speaker 1>have to do? And twenty is the limit for like

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<v Speaker 1>a PFT test.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mac did about ten for an interception, so whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they can get like.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He did that, He goes over. He had a laugh

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<v Speaker 1>with Kyle dugger like it. I don't think it bothered

0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.240
<v Speaker 1>him Aton And there is another side of that, or

0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.959
<v Speaker 1>it's you do want to see some contenditive fire, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to talk about the interception because.

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<v Speaker 1>It was bad, plight, it was a really bad I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To talk about the interception, but I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to lead on them. Mac was the

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<v Speaker 2>first bullet point here on our agenda. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to lead with that. I think what I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to lead with, though, is that I saw in two

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<v Speaker 2>plays and we're working with such a small sample size

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<v Speaker 2>that just bear with me for the fact that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>literally talking about two plays you mentioned but where're at

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<v Speaker 2>But you mentioned high point and you kind of jump

0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.520
<v Speaker 2>ball fantastic hatches and something that this offense is going

0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.080
<v Speaker 2>to have to rely on. The plays that I really

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<v Speaker 2>thought today where I said, that's what this Patriots offense

0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.839
<v Speaker 2>needs to be, like, that's what this offense needs to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And both plays came not surprisingly, when they pushed the

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<v Speaker 2>ball to the high red zone and they gave the

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<v Speaker 2>offense a little bit more space to operate. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>working like inside the eight yard line for the first

0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:28.000
<v Speaker 2>two days of practice, almost almost exclusively, and then towards

0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.360
<v Speaker 2>the end of practice today they finally pushed the ball

0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.600
<v Speaker 2>to like the the fifteen and they gave the offense

0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.840
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more space to work in space to maneuver.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one was the longest pass and probably the

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<v Speaker 2>best throw that Mac has made so far, and camped

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<v Speaker 2>to Devonte Parker on the touchdown over I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was Christian Zalestee. That was the second one, the deep

0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.240
<v Speaker 2>crossing route. Okay, what happened on that play? He's under

0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.320
<v Speaker 2>center play action. He runs under center play action, hits

0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the back foot, has a nice step up in the

0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.200
<v Speaker 2>p because Riley Reef will talk about him in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>It steps up in the pocket and DeVante Parker and

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<v Speaker 2>Kendrick Bourne, they ran like a Yankee style concept where

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<v Speaker 2>you know what they intersect crossing routes in the in

0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the field. You know, one guy goes

0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.880
<v Speaker 2>one way, the other guy goes the other, and then

0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Mac just throws where the safety isn't if the safety

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<v Speaker 2>helps to pour and he throws to Parker and vice versa,

0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and Parker got open, he got behind Gonzales and Mac

0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.600
<v Speaker 2>dropped it in the bucket and for a really nice

0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.480
<v Speaker 2>touchdown pass about twenty yards that under center play action

0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.160
<v Speaker 2>with the with the shots off of it. That that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to be a part of this offense. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a part of an offense that Mac can

0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.680
<v Speaker 2>thrive in. That Mac can do really well in is

0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.520
<v Speaker 2>under center play action. Then they got to Juju, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that I think was a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>optimistic about today too. Was I thought today Juju looked

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<v Speaker 2>a lot better than yesterday and started making some plays

0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.040
<v Speaker 2>and you started feeling his presence out on the field,

0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.000
<v Speaker 2>which is a good thing. The Juju touchdown, Yeah, that

0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was gun action shotgun, but play action still they pull

0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.640
<v Speaker 2>cold strange, They get the linebackers to creep up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. He beats Marcus Jones to the inside on

0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.880
<v Speaker 2>like a little skinny post and Mac just dots him

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<v Speaker 2>with it in the back of the end zone. Touchdown.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, both involve play action, which I think is

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<v Speaker 2>not a coincidence, right. I think that's gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>be play action, RPO, some sort of way to alter

0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.120
<v Speaker 2>the defense. I think not only I don't know, not

0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.800
<v Speaker 2>necessarily think that that's as much about Mac as it

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<v Speaker 2>is about helping the playmakers get open. Yeah, because it

0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.360
<v Speaker 2>allows them to get isolated one on one matchups and

0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.440
<v Speaker 2>takes guys out of passing lanes and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it makes it a little bit easier for receivers

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<v Speaker 2>to get open, and I think that's a big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But those two throws, in terms of the style of

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<v Speaker 2>the throw, we're talking about a touch deep ball right,

0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.640
<v Speaker 2>a deep over rounte where he can loft it in

0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.280
<v Speaker 2>there and drop it in the bucket. And we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a a slant really a quick hitting kind of

0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.160
<v Speaker 2>slant style route where we're not asking him to drive

0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the football into an eighteen yard window on a deep dig,

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.879
<v Speaker 2>We're asking him to drive the ball in a window

0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.479
<v Speaker 2>on like a seven to nine yard slant. Right. So

0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.480
<v Speaker 2>those are the types of things that I think they're

0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:23.040
<v Speaker 2>going to have to build this offense around. The touch,

0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.800
<v Speaker 2>deep passes, the quick hitters over the middle of the field, like,

0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.800
<v Speaker 2>those are the things that mac Jones does well. Now,

0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.120
<v Speaker 2>can they build an entire offense around that just kind

0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.360
<v Speaker 2>of that style remains to be seen. I think they can,

0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.520
<v Speaker 2>and especially if you add in the fact that the

0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.280
<v Speaker 2>quick game had empty and things like that, where we're

0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.399
<v Speaker 2>really not talking about plays that are seven to ten

0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.160
<v Speaker 2>yards down the field. Now we're talking about like those

0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.960
<v Speaker 2>three to five yard dumpoffs and things like that. That's

0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:52.960
<v Speaker 2>going to be a part of this as well. And

0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you kind of bring that all together and that's your offense.

0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.280
<v Speaker 2>What can't be a part of this offense on any

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<v Speaker 2>level is the interception that we saw to Kyle Dugger.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't want to take anything away from Kyle Duger,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was like it's a designed rollout.

0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and some people and I guess you could give

0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 2>him this pass, but I try not to because I

0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like people think I'm a mac apologist enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, No, he should not have made that.

0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.879
<v Speaker 2>Some people thought that in a game, he probably just

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<v Speaker 2>would have been sacked instead of throwing a pick. But

0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he tried to make a play. It was maybe like

0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.399
<v Speaker 2>a fourth down situation or I don't know what, you know,

0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.399
<v Speaker 2>something like that right where he was just kind of

0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.080
<v Speaker 2>trying to make something happen, you know. But the main

0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.959
<v Speaker 2>thing is is that every single time we saw this

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<v Speaker 2>all last summer too, when they tried to install some

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<v Speaker 2>of the Shanahan stuff, any sort of moving pocket is

0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.359
<v Speaker 2>a disaster. It's he doesn't throw well on the move.

0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.720
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have the athleticism or the arm talent to

0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.520
<v Speaker 2>like throw across his body. Like that's a throw that

0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.720
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to make that Josh Allen can make.

0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.359
<v Speaker 2>We saw Josh Allen make it here last year. That's

0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.600
<v Speaker 2>not a throw that Mac Jones can make. And I

0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.560
<v Speaker 2>just want to take the things he does well. The

0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.080
<v Speaker 2>under center play action stuff, the inbreaking routes over the

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.280
<v Speaker 2>middle of the field, the quick hitters like those are

0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the things that he can win with his brain, win

0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.879
<v Speaker 2>with his touch and his accuracy and do well on

0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.760
<v Speaker 2>but all of the rolling pockets and the bootlegs and

0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like take those, throw them in the trash and set

0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.360
<v Speaker 2>the can on fire, right like this that's not that

0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.200
<v Speaker 2>cannot be in the playbook. It's just not good offense

0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.200
<v Speaker 2>for Mac Jones. It's not what he does well. And

0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I think every single time we see them try to

0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.040
<v Speaker 2>do it with him, it ends the same way, either

0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.720
<v Speaker 2>him taking the sack because he has no play to make,

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.639
<v Speaker 2>or him throwing an ill advised interception. There's like no

0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:42.520
<v Speaker 2>in between there.

0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was you know, he tries to

0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.960
<v Speaker 1>cut it back in and then I was he trying

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.920
<v Speaker 1>to throw the ball like there was nobody near Kyle

0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Duggar and he had Kyle dugger right between the numbers.

0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:54.960
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what that one was. Yeah, but

0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.159
<v Speaker 1>with the throw was like like, yeah, it was a

0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.600
<v Speaker 1>bad decision. And on those rollouts, it it doesn't help.

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think and this isn't again Mac made

0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a really bad play, but nobody got open. They congested

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.159
<v Speaker 1>everything that happened a couple of.

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Times so that there was a few coverage sacks. Yeah,

0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I say, I use air quotes for the people that

0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.200
<v Speaker 2>are just listening to the podcast. A coverage sacks today

0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that that happened, you know, they happened last year. It

0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.040
<v Speaker 2>seemed like every other dropback was a covered sack like

0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.880
<v Speaker 2>that that would happen all last season and a term

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.480
<v Speaker 2>last summer. I should say during training camp. I don't

0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 2>think that it happened. It was quite the same as bad,

0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I should say, so far in the first two days,

0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.800
<v Speaker 2>but it just seems to me. And look, you can

0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.080
<v Speaker 2>take this. If you want to take a negative slant

0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 2>on this, it's that he's limited. He's limited. His scope

0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.640
<v Speaker 2>of what he's capable of doing is pretty limited. If

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 2>you want to take a positive take on it is

0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.159
<v Speaker 2>that I do think you can build an offense around

0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:53.400
<v Speaker 2>the things that I highlighted.

0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh no, absolutely, I mean it's it's not I

0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 1>almost don't want to say it's like the San Francisco

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.360
<v Speaker 1>offense because then you go back to that, Oh my god,

0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.560
<v Speaker 1>it's Shanahan everything they did last year, but you're going

0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.320
<v Speaker 1>about it a different way. But I think the core

0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 1>concepts are the same. It's it's a quick hitting, paint

0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:15.280
<v Speaker 1>by number matchup leverage based scheme and you don't have

0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the West Coast elements of it. You're doing it out

0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.359
<v Speaker 1>of more of a spread set. But I I mean

0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.639
<v Speaker 1>there's there's some overlap in there. Yeah, yeah, I agree,

0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.640
<v Speaker 1>And I also like, just on that line, I wonder

0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 1>if that's what they were trying to go for last

0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:29.720
<v Speaker 1>year and they just went too far in the other di.

0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 2>I think, and so I think they were. But I

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.280
<v Speaker 2>think the main thing is is once they got into

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.119
<v Speaker 2>the season and they kind of scrapped some of like

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the under center, outside zone Shanahan McVeigh stuff, and they

0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>got into more spread a lot of what they were

0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 2>doing spread wise was really emphasizing the quarterback or the

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.719
<v Speaker 2>receivers making plays. Like they just receivers just had to

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>win on their routes and the quarterback had to really

0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 2>make some really good downfield throws for that offense to succeed.

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:06.480
<v Speaker 2>And for better or worse, they don't really have receivers

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.480
<v Speaker 2>that can create separation on their own, and they don't

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.919
<v Speaker 2>have a play making quarterback in the sense of like

0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.640
<v Speaker 2>a Mahomes or an Allen or Herbert or some one

0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.920
<v Speaker 2>of those guys that can just run around and make plays.

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.880
<v Speaker 2>So you gotta the scheme's got to help in some way,

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 2>shape or form. And that's where play action. That's where RPO,

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.119
<v Speaker 2>that's where motion, that's where formations. Right, we've seen the

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:31.560
<v Speaker 2>couple of these things where they're changing up formations and

0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 2>motioning guys and putting guys like tight ends outside or

0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>running backs inside and different guys in different spots like

0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that's that's how you can help try to get guys open,

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 2>get guys matchups that can be favorable because you don't

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 2>just have a guy that you can just run out

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 2>to the X receiver spot and have them just beat

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 2>the guy in front of them ten times in a

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 2>game like that, just they just don't have that player

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.959
<v Speaker 2>on the roster. So I think that there's some bones

0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 2>there that they're really building upon. I want to talk

0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.800
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about the receivers. Obviously everybody wants to

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 2>hear about the receivers. I talked a little bit about Juju.

0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, not like much to go crazy about,

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 2>but I thought today was a good day for Juju.

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought he's getting a little bit better, building it

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.879
<v Speaker 2>up slowly a little bit more and more. That throw

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 2>that I mentioned that the pass, the touchdown pass that

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I had just kind of broke down. That was like,

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 2>if you could have told Bill Belichick and Macro and

0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Brien back in March that they were gonna be

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 2>able to hit that exact throw, they would have been like, Yeah,

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 2>this is exactly why we signed Juju, Like it was

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 2>exactly what you drew up on the whiteboard when you

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 2>made the signing in March. So I think that's really optimistic.

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>That was probably the play that I said that should

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 2>make Patriots fans excited, because that's exactly why Juju is here.

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.119
<v Speaker 2>He's been playing predominantly in the slot, I think, almost

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 2>exclusively in the slot. He's running, you know, a lot

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.919
<v Speaker 2>of crossing routes, a lot of seams are skinny posts,

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, and slants like that type of thing. And

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be one of those guys that's gonna win

0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.119
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the field for this team. And

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I was I thought it was interesting that Macro and

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get a little bit more into Macro.

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Then we can have time for it today, but maybe

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.680
<v Speaker 2>we can talk about it next time a little bit more.

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>He mentioned that Juju is not gonna be a far

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.880
<v Speaker 2>departure from some of the other slot receivers that we've

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.439
<v Speaker 2>seen here, and people were like, you're saying, he's, you know,

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 2>like Edelman or Welker, and I think he meant more Jacoby.

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well the other interesting thing, like on top of that,

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I forget who was it Bill today? Somebody said today?

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Was Bill or you know Mac was going to say.

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Somebody said today that they were building things into the

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>offense that Juju used to succeed in Pittsburgh and in

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Kansas City like things. So if you put those two together,

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.320
<v Speaker 1>that's Shakobe Myers. That is just straight up he's gonna

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.360
<v Speaker 1>be like slot receivers has been here. But also there's

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna be elements that he succeeded with in Pittsburgh and

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Kansas City. That's that big slot stuff that Jacoby Myers did.

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 1>That's that's curls, that's you know, direct ins things like that,

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>where it's just get to the intermediate, use your size

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to create separation. And the difference being I think with

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>him and Jacoby is he's gonna be able to do

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a little more after the catch.

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, So once they can move that that play

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 2>action play that they hit the touchdown on today. Once

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 2>they can move back even further and now all of

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 2>a sudden he's catching that and then he's running with

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:17.880
<v Speaker 2>it after the catch. That that's why he's here. That

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>that that design and that type of route and and

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 2>all that is exactly why they made this.

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I will say, though, there were a few periods where

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought Juju wasn't as targeted, and in those periods

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>it was Christian Zolz covering him. Christian I didn't notice

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>him a ton yesterday, and again they weren't. It was

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 1>all very heavy. I thought Christian sauce was very good.

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 2>We'll get the Christian sauce. I'm gonna do this is this.

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Is a right. You actually did a rundown for the show.

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't run down to keep us on track because

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I I'll get three podcasts and two radio shows to

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.679
<v Speaker 1>nice Flex ninety eight five of the sports dot com.

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll be on Patriots Beat, and uh, I'll be on

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the radio.

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>We don't have time sports Patriots anyways. Just I'm gonna

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>compliments how much the wide receivers right now? So I

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.959
<v Speaker 2>compliment to Juju. Yes, thought he looked good today, So

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>compliment Sandwich I gotta be negative down and then I'll

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>compliment somebody after.

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a criticism, it's not negative criticism.

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Thank you criticism. Taekwon Thornton, Taekwon Thornton, and everybody knows

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that I I love me some speed.

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean that at first me practicing ot as you

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 1>were ready to put.

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I was ready. I was ready for the year to

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.199
<v Speaker 2>break out. Now, the one caveat that I'm still going

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 2>to use, and everybody's gon out. You always do this, Evan,

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and then the guy stinks and you just don't want

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>to say, I'm still using this caveat. I don't care.

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 2>The one caveat that I'm going to use is that

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Taekwon Thornton's area of the field is between the twenties.

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 2>He's not he's not a red zone player like he

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 2>just isn't okay, So let's let's throw that aside for

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 2>a second. He has I think kind of struggled in

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 2>these first two practices to get away from coverage. He's

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>been targeted only one time and the two practices and

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>the he was smothered on the route and the ball

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 2>sailed out of the back of the end zone. It

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>was almost essentially a throwaway. And then there was a

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 2>moment today And this is what's more troubling to me

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 2>than the lack of a separation, because I think in

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 2>between the twenties he'll separate. But the part that really

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>troubled me was a moment where he appeared to me,

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 2>and I'm saying this, like, you know, delicately, because I

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know for one hundred percent sure, but appeared to

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>me like he ran the wrong route and he had

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>a little route like it looked like it was sort

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 2>of a converted style route where the corner was sitting

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 2>outside of him right the corner was outside of him

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>into the sideline, and instead of hitting the out and

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>then returning back into the middle of the field and

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 2>kind of sitting down right inside of the corner, he

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 2>kept running into coverage and and got himself into coverage

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>like he ran himself into the defender. And immediately after

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the play, mac Jones ran over to him because it

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 2>was I think it was the last play of the sequence. Uh,

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>And mac Jones ran over to him and started correcting

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 2>him and saying instead of you know, running and then

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>and then continuing into the coverage like I want you

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 2>to come back in and get yourself into a better spot.

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>And he under like he took the teaching moment and

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 2>like he took the the critique. And now that's all

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 2>well and good. But I think the big thing is

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>for me is that this this came up on his

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>film last year, was some issues with route running and

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>some of it was technique based, some of it was

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>was processing based, right, which was this was process is

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>one technique, but overall he was not a very good

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 2>route runner as a rookie. And if he's not going

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>to develop that sort of part of his game, then

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 2>really all he is is a guy that can run fast,

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>and that's not what they need. Like, they really would

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 2>greatly benefit And I think this is why I talk

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>myself into it, is because they would greatly benefit from

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>a year or two breakout from Taekwon Thornton. And in

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 2>two days I have been a little bit skeptical of

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>that happening.

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Well again, you talk about, yeah, the red zone is

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily gonna be his area of expertise. But we've

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>talked about this in the wake of the DeAndre Hopkins

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>thing that all right, Well, somebody, whether it's Kendrick Bourne,

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Taekwon Thornton. Somebody has to maybe it's DeVante Parker,

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody hear jujus, but somebody has to emerge as that

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>true number one, that coverage dictating receiver. And I'm not

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 1>saying Thornton has to be at his best in the

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>red zone, but ideally that guy is going to play

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>at that level at any spot on the field. We

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>got the definition yesterday for Matt grow of a number

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.719
<v Speaker 1>one five receiver right good at everything. And if Thornton's

0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be good in the red zone, I'm not

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>saying that means he can't be an umber one wide receiver,

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>but that really he's got to really be special in

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>between the twenties at that point to justify it. Last

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>year we saw some flashes of route running creativity in

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the red zone. He had the touchdown against the Giants

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>in the preseason. Yeah, the one he caught from Zappi

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>and Cleveland, where again he breaks off, he sees the

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>quarterback moving out of the pocket, he breaks off, his

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>routy comes back, he gets himself open. So coming into this,

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all right, and he's not going to be

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>a red zone thread. That's not his game. But can

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>he build on that and just be a factor in

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the red zone even if they're not right, I don't

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>need him to be their top option in the red zone.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>He shouldn't be, Like we set off the top of

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the show. They have Devonte Parker, they have Mike Asiki,

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>they have Hunter Henry. They have these guys that can

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>go up and climb the ladder and be competitive in

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>terms of vertical separation. But if Thornton's going to be

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy I think we all think he needs to

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>be for this offense to maximize. He needs to be

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>a guy that is going to be when you're in

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>twelve personnel, is going to be one of your two

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>best options in the red zone. And not that he's

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>been terrible, but he hasn't poffed in the red zone

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>so far, and that's you kind of wanted to see

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that from him.

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just ideed him to clean up the route running.

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the main thing is that you gotta

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>be able to understand the complexities of the offense, like

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 2>the conversions and the option routes and things like that.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 2>And that's not like truly an option route. It's more

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>like a conversion where they give the receivers the freedom

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to Okay, if you have an out, but there's a corner,

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 2>a cover two corner just squatting waiting for you to

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 2>run an out, then what's the point of you running

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>that out right where we're gonna allow you to run

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>something that's a little bit more advantageous against that type

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of coverage. The reason why I say all this isn't

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to pick on him for one route. The main reason

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 2>why I say this is because that guy won't play

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>in this like Bill O'Brien's not gonna play the receiver

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't know where he's going, right. It's just that's

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 2>not how they operate here. And he might be physically

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 2>really talented, and he might be really fast, and he

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>might be Why I am so bullish on him coming

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>into camp was because he's really the only true burner

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 2>in this group. Nobody else can run like him, even close?

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh not in that top group.

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, maybe I think I know who you're talking about,

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna get sixt This is my compliment Sandwich.

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>All right, I was giving you an easy transition, but okay,

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>finish all.

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.959
<v Speaker 2>Right, And that is that should be Taekwon is the

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>one guy that I feel like, Okay, this guy can

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>stretch the field, this guy can take the top off

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 2>whatever cliche you want to use, and they could really

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 2>use that to open up the middle of the field

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>for where they really want to throw the football, which

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>is to Juju and the tight ends and the backs

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>out of the backfield. If they can't have a burner

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>out there, they're slow. They're a slow group. It's Devonte

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Parker on the outside, it's Juju in the slot, it's

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>the two tight ends. It's not a very fast group.

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>And that does have concerns for me. Now, compliment sandwich time.

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>The one guy. So the Patriots have been working in practice,

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and we're talking a lot about the passing game because

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>there's no pads, so we're not we're not talking a

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 2>ton about the line of scrimmage. Yet the Patriots been

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>working in the passing game with a foursome at receiver

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 2>that you were not surprised by. It's right Juju, it's Parker,

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>it's Born, it's Thornton, it's the two tight ends.

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>And that was even pretty defined during a special teams

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>period today on the side field. It was Mac in

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>those fours the tight ends were doing, especially something Mac

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>in those four receivers, So there's not even a fifth

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>guy that's like started to like is behind them. But

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in that group, it's those four and then.

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>And then you also have you know, the backs like

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>time on Comer and Mermandra Stevenson. For the most part,

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 2>the one guy that seems to be creeping into that

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 2>group and has been over there hasn't gotten a ton

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>of reps, got a little bit more late in the

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>in the practice today. But the one guy that's creeping

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>over to that side of the field with the ones

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 2>is Tomario Douglas. Yes, and that is encouraging for multiple reasons.

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I think from a mental standpoint, it makes sense. He

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.719
<v Speaker 2>worked with the Patriots at the Shrine Bowl. He's been

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>here all spring, he's been healthy and working all spring.

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>And in a rookie.

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>What happened to just say, the wind blew over?

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>It was very windy up there today. To Mario Douglas,

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I think there's reason to be a little bit optimistic here.

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>And we all we both liked him coming in. I

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 2>mean we're a little bit biased because we saw him

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>out in Vegas, So I guess maybe it was kind

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 2>of one of our guys, so to speak. But he's

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 2>somebody that you will get a lot of these receivers

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 2>that they have. You mentioned all the guys that they

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>have that are really big guys. They're good guys that

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that are gonna win with physicality. He's one of the

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>few guys that's got the that jitterbuggy. Yeah, you know,

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 2>he's well literally he's got four to four speed. He's

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 2>got some quickness to his game. He's got that more

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 2>of that like shifty, explosive game to him. Where they

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of these like long striders like a

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:51.919
<v Speaker 2>Devonte Parker or a Mikeasicki and Hunter Henry. He's someone

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>that brings a different flavor. And we also mentioned the

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 2>the gadget plays and things like that they could do

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>with them. The jet sweeps, the screen passes like that

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>type of stuff exists in his game as well. But

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I've been encouraged by what we've seen underneath the defense,

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:09.439
<v Speaker 2>like does little quick hitters does, And that's something that

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 2>we know that Brady used to really rely upon because

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.760
<v Speaker 2>it just gets the ball out of the quarterback's hands.

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.439
<v Speaker 1>And when you look at the tackle position and where

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.399
<v Speaker 1>they're at right now. With that we've said, I've said

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>how many times I said mac jone is gonna have

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to be his own best pass protector this year. A

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>guy like tomorrow Douglas's going to get in and out

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>of his first break quickly and then be able to

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>create after the catch. That's the kind of guy that's

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>going to eat in this offense. One more observation on

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Douglas for me, Evan. I know you roll your eyes

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>at the listed weights and all of that, but he was.

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Just because I know how the the uh what's not

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 2>what's the thing with the I know how it's made

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes.

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 1>How the sausages made. But like objectively here in shout

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 1>out to the Patriots for sending us to the Shrine Bowl.

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:50.879
<v Speaker 1>That's why this stuff is so big. We saw him

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>at the Shrine Bowl. I saw him. I stood next

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>to him. I talked to him the set. He was

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>one seventy nine at the Shrine bul. He's won seventy nine.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>He's now listed at one ninety two. Yeah, I tasked

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>that looks about right.

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Do you think he gain weight?

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:07.479
<v Speaker 1>I think he he looks much more muscular. He definitely, yeah,

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.280
<v Speaker 1>than thirteen A lot I don't know if he okay,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying like his his body type has changed. Yeah,

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 1>he was he was a twig. He was a bit

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.399
<v Speaker 1>of a twig, and he got hurt at the Shrine Bowl.

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>And he's not a guy I'm looking at now, like

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>looking at him at the Shrine Bowl. The big question,

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>as it is with a lot of guys I think

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>we're even talking about this was Za Yeah at the time,

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>was is he going to hold up in the NFL? Right?

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>But but just like physically he's he gonna be able

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>to not not like hold up in that sense, but

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be able to take enough hits.

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>And I look at tomorrow Douglas. Now you like the

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 1>term rocked up, right, a guy that's just he's he's

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>got that. Now he's bigger, he's he's more built to

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>play in the NFL. Yeah, we got to see how

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>he the play strength and now he uses that for

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>leverage and press. But I think if they use him right,

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>he's not a guy that's gonna get pressed a lot. Yeah,

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>but he looks he looks the part. He looks bigger.

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 1>The way it changed, you can see it in his

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>body and He's not any less quick. He's not any

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>less fast with that extra mass on his frame. So

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>when you see that, that stands out. He just has a.

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Totally different body type and skill set from the rest

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 2>of the group, and that makes him I think we're

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.359
<v Speaker 2>we're talking. We're talking him up right now. But what

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I the main point of all of this is he's

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>easily has the inside track to be the fifth receiver on.

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I think he's the guy right now. Yeah, I mean

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>you called him, you called him Day three z A

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>leading into the draft, and that's kind of that's translated.

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>You're seeing a similar skill set. He's not as advanced

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 1>as a guy in Baltimore. I haven't I haven't like

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>gotten catch up on any of the other teams.

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 2>It makes me sick.

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Is he is he balling out?

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:35.479
<v Speaker 2>Of course?

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, but they're not in pads yet.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah sure, sure, okay, But anyways, I'm excited about tomorrow Douglas.

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, we're talking about him making the team

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>as the fifth receiver. We're not talking about him being

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the next Julian Edelman. We're just saying that he's somebody

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.720
<v Speaker 2>that's popped. He's somebody that's working with the other regular

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>guys that been rather top guys in the offense, and

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 2>that's different. You know, guys like Kaishawn Boudi, Malik Cunningham,

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Edilee They're they're all working on a different part of

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the field. And tomorrow Douglas is with the starters, which

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I think is really notable. Last thing I have on

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the dock and on the offense that we got to

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.839
<v Speaker 2>take this call because we've left Sorrey care on hold

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 2>for thirty minutes. Last thing I want to talk about

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 2>the offense. My biggest takeaway, I think if we're trying

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to go big picture about the offense and where they're

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 2>headed schematically and all that kind of stuff, I think

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 2>that with the Hopkins sweepstakes, it allowed us to talk

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>so much about receivers and receiver talent and all that

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. Ultimately, this offense is going to live

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 2>or die by their offensive line. I think they have

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 2>enough skill talent wise that Bill O'Brien will scheme it

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 2>up and they'll be able to move the football. Maybe

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>it will look a little bit like twenty twenty one

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 2>in that sense, and hopefully you get a little bit

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 2>better quarterback play than rookie Mack and that's where the

0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 2>difference is. But this offensive line is it's the making,

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 2>it's the breaking point for the entire team, I honestly feel.

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 2>And there's no pads, there's there's no legal contact. So

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting to see Riley Reef with the pads on

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 2>because once he can be physical with guys, and he

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>can bully guys, and he can get his hands on

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>people and things like that, it could totally change. But

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 2>foot speed wise, Riley Reef has been a little bit slow.

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit slow getting out to his landmarks.

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>He's had some trouble protecting his corner. Those are things

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:31.879
<v Speaker 2>that you notice now. On the other side, Trent Brown

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 2>looks great. Trent Brown looks ready to go. He looks

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 2>like he's in good shape. I'm optimistic that that's headed

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 2>in the right direction. Right tackle to me is still

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 2>a worrisome spot. And look, I don't want to do

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing again, but the frustrating part still remains

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 2>for me that we knew it. It was a weak

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>spot on the roster last It was a turnstyle last year.

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Let's just be honest. It was a turnstyle last year.

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.720
<v Speaker 2>They could have addressed it with a real, a real,

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 2>a real solution in free agency, Like this was a

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 2>really good free agency tackle clefts for the draft. Orlando Brown,

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Caleb McGarry, Juwan Taylor missing with McGlinchey. So they had

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>some real guys that they could have signed. And I

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 2>think in the draft that I give them a little

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>bit of a passing the draft because they weren't going

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>to draft them over Christian Goanzalez.

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But but even in like the second third round,

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:30.280
<v Speaker 1>somebody on the drafted somebody.

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So anyways, what are your again, you're non padded

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 2>very early on all the all the caveats. What are

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 2>your early impressions of the Riley Reef at right tackle.

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 2>That's a tough name to say, Reef right tackle experience.

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's first of all, and I look, I'm having

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 1>trouble with this one because you know me, I'm bad

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 1>at like approximating things like how long have you been

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>in the car? I'll say half an hour, it's been

0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>three hours. I have no concept of that. But look,

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the Matriots have some real behemos to tackle. Trent Brown's

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 1>six six three eighty Conor McDermott I think is like,

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:11.359
<v Speaker 1>what six seven three thirty. Calvin Anderson's a big dude

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>as well. Riley Reef is listed at six six three ten.

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't look big to me, and maybe that's who

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>he's standing next to. He doesn't look small, but he

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't look big.

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just worried about the foot speed.

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, so that's the thing. I'm like, if he had size,

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:33.280
<v Speaker 1>if even more size like that, you don't lose size

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 1>with age, right right, whereas some of the other stuff. Yeah,

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 1>like there was one today and look, I actually thought

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Jeloanni Toebah had a really good day today all around.

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 1>He made a couple of plays, so he was sort

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 1>of locked in. But yeah, there was one today where

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>nothing against Stelanna Tobia. Speed's not his game. He's not

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the fastest guy on the team. Jelanny Taya ran right

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 1>by him on the beach and that was you know

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that that's a moment that you look at you say,

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know even with the pads, I don't know

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 1>about that one.

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.879
<v Speaker 2>I think the main thing is is that it's not

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>just sing it off of two days in trading camp.

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>His foot speed was starting to decline last year. On film, He's.

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Thirty four, Just just say what it is. He's thirty four.

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>There's not a lot of thirty four year old tackles

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But I just want to make sure it's clear that

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I thought his play was declining from last season in

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 2>actual NFL games, and then he comes out here in

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 2>camp and it doesn't look so hot either. Now, maybe

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>they give it a couple of weeks. Calvin Anderson comes

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 2>off of NFI. Maybe he's somebody that they worked him

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.479
<v Speaker 2>out at left tackle for most of the spring because

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Trent Brown wasn't here. But maybe he actually ends up

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>being the right you know, right tackle solution. Maybe Connor

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.800
<v Speaker 2>McDermott jumps him on the depth chart. Maybe City South

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 2>comes out of nowhere and is somebody that can make

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 2>a push for the right tackle spot. But that to me, offensively,

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe even more so than the receivers at this point,

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 2>continues to be a worrisome situation. The one other thing

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that was a little bit worried some I I want

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 2>to see tomorrow if he's back out there and if

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 2>he's fine, But Toy Montgomery did get a little bit

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 2>dinged up today. He that's his thing, like he's on

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the track every single time. We see him every in

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the spring, last year, in the summer, last year, in

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:13.919
<v Speaker 2>the spring, this year, first two days of training camp

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 2>this year, he's looked the part of the of the

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>pass catching back to the Patriots need he has, but

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>he can't. He's gotta stay healthy. Yeah, and if he's

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 2>already getting dinged up, and I know you're you can

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 2>go on your whole thing about about the cornerback that

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 2>threw him the ball.

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.439
<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's it's a shame because he did look

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>really good, and he looked good, you know, last year

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>he's got We'll see what happened today, Like he didn't.

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 1>I think it's encouraging. They didn't come right off the field.

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm hopeful it was just a tweak and just kind

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 2>of an awkward Yeah.

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>So he he he because after the play he ran

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 1>a few more routes, which he looked fine running the routes,

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>like in between plays, he's like shaking his leg and stuff.

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 1>And then he went over to the trainers and spent

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the day with them, did some light jogging.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>But if he's healthy, he's a game changer. Because you

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 1>mentioned him in that third down back he's been wrapping

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of wide receiver to he's listed as a

0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver.

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I just I know he's not the the I know

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>it's been a while since he's produced. And that's the

0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 2>big thing with him. It's like, I'll believe it when

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I see it in an actual game. And I also

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 2>know that he's not the most explosive guy, Like he's

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 2>not like this game breaking receiving back or a receiver

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 2>slash receiving back. But I think what's really unique about

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 2>him is what you just said is that he can

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 2>also play wide receiver. Yeah, and Bill O'Brien is one

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>of those guys that is just gonna f with defenses

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:27.839
<v Speaker 2>with the guy.

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I'm saying. You put like Evan, I

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>said this to you a month ago. You put him

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>in Mike Kasiki, both in the formation, both in the huddle. Yeah,

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the defense has no idea. What's is it eleven? Is

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>it twelve? Is it ten? Is it right?

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Are they running? Are they passing?

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 1>It can be so many things, and they.

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Can be empty or they could be under center and

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 2>run the ball out of that and it's it's all

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 2>the same.

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 1>To them, exactly exactly so I think there's tremendous value

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>in time on comery on this offense, and I still

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>think he can play. It's not the same question as

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>can he be held, but it's kind of the same question.

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.439
<v Speaker 1>How much do they put in the offense for him?

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Because the thing about Toime Montgomery is that things you're

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and you're not gonna build the entire offense around him,

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 1>but you'd like to put in some things that feature

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 1>him and feature you know, take advantage of that versatility.

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 1>The problem is if you can't count on it be

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 1>on the field, are you installing stuff that suddenly you

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 1>can't use. I don't know that there's.

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 2>A guy maybe it's Pierre Strong, maybe.

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>But Pierre Strong, I don't know how much. He's never

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.400
<v Speaker 1>played wide receiver. The guy I would go to is

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Hurd, but I haven't been super wild by what

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I've seen from Jalen Hurt.

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 2>But he hasn't done anything else.

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 1>He's a little stiff, he can run a straight line.

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>But it's you know, how much of that stuff are

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 1>you gonna put in the playbook? Knowing are we gonna

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>be able to go back to this? Like if he

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 1>gets hurt now you're throwing out in tiere sections of

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the playbook and then if it's and even if he

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 1>is out the al right, so you have you know,

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe you build it in as the season goes on.

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's my question with him is not even

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 1>can they count on him? How much do they think

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>they can count on him? How much of a significant

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 1>role are they willing to give him in the big

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 1>picture element of the offense, knowing that his availability is

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of up in the air, and I you know,

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll see if he's out there tomorrow. If this is

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, if it's a significant injury, then I think

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 1>the question's answered. It's you know, maybe he starts he's

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>on IR or whatever like, and they go back to

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.319
<v Speaker 1>it later when he comes back, they start putting it in.

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>But it is kind of a tough You want this

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>guy to be a big part of your offense. But

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 1>if you plan for him to be a big party

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 1>your offense and he's not there, and he has such

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a unique skill set that you don't really have a backup.

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean Bill Belichick's was asked what is his

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>position and just said versatile.

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, so then there's the other layer of this it

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>was reported today that the Patriots are may be setting

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 1>up a meeting with Dalvin Cook.

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that in a sad Okay, gotta stick

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 2>on schedule. Let's get to Syrikira Surrika. I'm sorry to

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 2>keep you on hold on. I hope you're saying your

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:50.359
<v Speaker 2>name correctly. But what do you got hey?

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 4>You actually oh, SERGEI yeah, So to finally reach the

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 4>best duel of the Patriots beat cool to say hi

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:00.439
<v Speaker 4>to Alex today the Hill.

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>If you were the person whose hand I apologize shook

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody's hand and I think I have a firm handshake

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and somebody's like out my hand. So if that's you,

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I apologize, or whoever that was that they're listening. They

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>said they listened to the show I apologize.

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, anyways, I'm talking about say in the running back step,

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 4>I think it's not a great sign that Harry is

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:24.280
<v Speaker 4>strong and JJ allsplit reps with the one after Mandra

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 4>and Ty We're out. Do you think Cook would be

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 4>a real upgrade that allows Tie to maybe play more

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 4>as a receiver, and like you said, maybe he doesn't

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:32.760
<v Speaker 4>get us injured.

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good question, Sergeriya, and thanks for the

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 2>call and for listening. So Dalvin Cook, I think that's

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 2>a good transition. Yeah, set us up for it.

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Just to go back to the time Montgomery Port and

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, how much of this stuff can you build

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>in if you have a guy like Dalvin Cook who

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>had like can I don't know that he has the

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver background Toime Montgomery does, but I'd be comfortable

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>giving him some of those slot responsibilities just based on

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>his overall skill set and athleticism if you sign him,

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Because you got to figure out too how to get

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>him and Romandra in the field at the same time

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>without bring at twelve, you are twenty one without being

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:08.800
<v Speaker 1>in twenty one. I kept those mixed up. Yeah, but

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to say it right you you build that

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff in for Deavin Cook instead of Time Montgomery, and

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>then Time Montgomery becomes the backup for that role and

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 1>you're not relying on him as much. So I wonder

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>if that would be part of the conversation with Dalvin Cook.

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 2>So here's my two cents on Dalvin Cook. One, just

0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:28.840
<v Speaker 2>along that line, I did go back and watch some

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 2>of his twenty twenty one tape just to have it ready.

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:33.760
<v Speaker 2>You know I do that and got to be prepared,

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>got to be prepared, and I was actually pleasantly surprised

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 2>at how much Kevin O'Connell used him in the passing

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>game as a receiver.

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:43.799
<v Speaker 1>They I'm actually looking for the snappers, and.

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 2>So they ran. They have their the vikings and O'Connell

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>KOC has their own empty package. Right that that Bill

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Brian's going to feature here, different different coaches, but just

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 2>saying they both run empty, and Dalvin Cook did line

0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 2>up quite a bit as a receiver. Now, what they

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 2>did with him as a receiver out of empty was

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 2>they ran him on a lot of shallow drags and

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 2>they just had him kind of run down the you know,

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>run across the field and then they would just dump

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 2>it to him and just create these catch and run opportunities.

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 2>So essentially it's just like a long handoff, right, And

0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 2>that's still something that they could do if he does

0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 2>come here. The long story short on Dalvin Cook is that,

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 2>as Macro said yesterday, there's a weird thing going on

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>with the veteran market right now, especially at running back.

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:31.040
<v Speaker 2>But really there's a couple of really good players still available,

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:33.840
<v Speaker 2>like Ganick and Gockway to Davian Clowney, like, it's not

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.879
<v Speaker 2>just running backs. Marcus Peters just signed yeah, a couple

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of days ago. It's rare, as grow put it, that

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 2>they're this many good players are still available this time

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 2>of year. So in that sense, and we made the

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 2>same argument with DeAndre Hopkins, it's a market deficiency that

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Dalvin Cook is still available on July twenty seventh. And

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 2>when I say market deficiency, I mean the fact that

0:49:57.880 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 2>they are not going to have to bake the braink

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:04.359
<v Speaker 2>bake wow, break the bank to pay him because that

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 2>money is not out there for him. He's not going

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 2>to make fifteen million dollars a year. He's not going

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 2>to make twelve million dollars. I don't even think the

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:14.279
<v Speaker 2>money he's going to make six.

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think the money is the issue with

0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:18.919
<v Speaker 1>Dalvin Cook in the sense that he's not getting paid.

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 1>He wants to reset his marketing. He wants to go

0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:22.839
<v Speaker 1>somewhere where he can prove how good he is and

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 1>is he going to come be a spellback here? So

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>that's that's my main That's the big issue.

0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>It's double right, because one, he needs the opportunity to

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 2>show what he can still do. And secondly, we know

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots and we know that they're going to tie

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:36.600
<v Speaker 2>his money up in incentives, and if he's not getting

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.759
<v Speaker 2>the touches to meet the incentives, then he's not going

0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 2>to make his money.

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 1>So and that goes back to the point of you

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 1>have to find for this to work. You have to

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 1>find ways that him and remander on the field at

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the same time. That's basically what you have to do.

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 2>With all that said, because it sounds like I'm out

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:52.400
<v Speaker 2>on Dalvin Cook, I'm still there for the talent grab

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 2>like I still think, oh that at some point you

0:50:56.239 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 2>have to realize, yeah, it creates a redundancy. With Remondri's evenson,

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you are running the risk that Dalvin Cook is going

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to be like one hundred touches below his incentives in

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 2>terms of your centives won't be tied up in touches.

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 2>They'll probably be tied up in like snap counts and

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:15.120
<v Speaker 2>yards and touchdowns. And if he's he's probably not going

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 2>to break the thresholds for a lot of his incentives,

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and so you run into the problem of maybe him

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 2>being disgruntled because of that. Later on in the season,

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of things that I think you have

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to be were concerned or just kind of like a

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:32.839
<v Speaker 2>little bit luke warm on the other last thing, I'll say,

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 2>and I know you're gonna hate this with Alex, but

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the nerds do not like Dalvin Cook anymore.

0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 1>His analytics well, the nerds don't like running backs period, right.

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:43.959
<v Speaker 2>But even in relative to running backs, his efficiency last

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:47.400
<v Speaker 2>year in terms of the advanced metrics completely dropped off boo.

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:51.840
<v Speaker 2>So with that being said, I'm still here for the

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:55.399
<v Speaker 2>talent crab. I like talented football players on my football team.

0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 2>And if this is going to be your offense what

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:02.359
<v Speaker 2>we just described earlier action and you know, touch deep

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 2>throws and quick hitters, and you're gonna have to run

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 2>the ball, You're gonna have to be able to run

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:11.320
<v Speaker 2>the ball, and Remandre can't run the ball three hundred

0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 2>times again. So I'm for it, but I I don't

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 2>think it happens, mainly because I think the Jets will

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 2>offer him a much higher base salary. But I also

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:26.799
<v Speaker 2>am just not like I wouldn't be as upset about

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 2>it as I was about DeAndre Hopkins.

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Let me put you, Yeah, they don't need Cook like

0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much better Cook makes them in

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the big picture. Yeah, he'd be a good player to have.

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.320
<v Speaker 1>But like Hopkins, I thought, was the guy that potentially

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:39.959
<v Speaker 1>alters the win total. I don't know the Cook. Maybe

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 1>he makes it easier to win some already winnable games,

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and he makes some games that are gonna be tougher

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a little closer. But I'll give you this number on

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Cook though. This is interesting. So last year is a

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:51.759
<v Speaker 1>receiver lined up out why thirty six times? That was

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 1>a career high. He lined up in the slot just

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.640
<v Speaker 1>eight times. He lined up in line forty nine times.

0:52:57.920 --> 0:52:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so in line?

0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that that like right behind the tackle thing?

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like he was standing up like he's not

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 2>like Hannon the dirty line. It's like a wing position.

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 1>But you could do that that, You could put him

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>there and put Remandra in the backfield. That would work.

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They did that mostly, like I said, out empty,

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and the idea was to obviously run him through traffic

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and peaks and stuff like that and get him free

0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:23.720
<v Speaker 2>on crossing routes. And he was pretty effective on those,

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Like he was able to catch the football a couple

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.239
<v Speaker 2>of times on third down and turn up field and

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 2>get eight yards on third and seven like that type

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.279
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. He'd converted a couple of times that I

0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:36.439
<v Speaker 2>remember seeing in some games. So I don't think he's

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:38.799
<v Speaker 2>He's not a pass catching back. It's not James White, right,

0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:41.320
<v Speaker 2>He's not gonna come in here and catch sixty five passes.

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that he brings a little bit

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:45.799
<v Speaker 2>to the passing game, a little bit to the running game.

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, i'd sign him if but I wouldn't.

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't go out of my way to sign him.

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I would have gone out of my way to sign

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>DeAndre exactly. Yeah, that's sort of how I feel about

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 2>all right, let's talk about defense really quickly. A couple

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 2>of defensive point I wanted to get to. The first

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 2>one was Kyle Duger Ye, who's head. He's very good

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>back to back days of interceptions. Now, I think he's

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 2>had some really great coverage on the tight ends as well,

0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:15.280
<v Speaker 2>just outside of the interceptions. The way that this looks

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 2>to me and the way this sounds to me, I

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:22.880
<v Speaker 2>have never heard Bill Belichick. I shouldn't say never, but

0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 2>most of the time it's about a premium position, like

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.080
<v Speaker 2>when last year when he said, oh, let's wait and

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 2>see what Lamark Jackson signs for.

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Bill Belichick this morning said that players like Kyle Dugger

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.640
<v Speaker 2>go early in the draft and get paid a lot. Right,

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:41.080
<v Speaker 2>So the team season coming, the team knows that Kyle

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Dugger is going to be a big money contract type

0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.479
<v Speaker 2>of guy. He's off to a great start in camp.

0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 2>It's two days, but he's off to a good start.

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.560
<v Speaker 2>This sounds and feels to me a lot like Jonathan

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Jones a few years ago, Shaq Mason a few years

0:54:56.200 --> 0:55:02.799
<v Speaker 2>before that, have a good August, comes September first, we'll

0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:06.520
<v Speaker 2>get an extension, right, And I think that if he

0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 2>continues to have a strong camp, I would almost I

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:12.799
<v Speaker 2>would put some money down that he's gonna get some

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 2>money comes September. I think that they would make it

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:18.919
<v Speaker 2>work on an extension if he just goes out there

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 2>and has a big month of August.

0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting. Matt Gros said yesterday he was asked

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 1>about just extensions in general, just the philosophy behind it,

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and he said that the tricky thing about extensions is

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>you're working with an unknown you don't know the market

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 1>because there's a whole season ahead both for the player

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.839
<v Speaker 1>and the team. Look, there's a number of different ways

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:40.320
<v Speaker 1>you can interpret that, but in the context of Kyle Duggar,

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 1>his value is probably not going to go down because

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 1>even if he has a blow, you know, below expectation season,

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 1>which he's not going to, but even if he does,

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 1>he still has two really strong years to point at

0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and or three really strong years to point that and

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 1>say this is the player I am. Whereas if he

0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.240
<v Speaker 1>exceeds expectations, you're talking about it. It's not even about

0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:02.359
<v Speaker 1>gauging the safety market. You're talking about a guy who's

0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.280
<v Speaker 1>going to reset the safety market.

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 2>I would say that it almost becomes like he almost

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:08.560
<v Speaker 2>becomes a defensive playmaker.

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I think you start getting into some some

0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of that lower end top to lower end top tier

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:15.439
<v Speaker 1>is a bad way to put it, but like, yeah,

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 1>lower number one cornerback money. Yeah yeah. So they I

0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 1>think they know, like his value is only gonna go up,

0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>or it's not only go to go up, but it's

0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:27.840
<v Speaker 1>not gonna go down, right, his value is not going

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:29.439
<v Speaker 1>to go down at this point. So if they want

0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to sign him, it's gonna be cheaper to sign him now.

0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 1>And there is a little bit of risk of course

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.759
<v Speaker 1>that comes with that, but with anybody, you take the

0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:38.880
<v Speaker 1>risk that comes with that now rather than trying to

0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:41.560
<v Speaker 1>sit down with him in March after he's had you know,

0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 1>some people think he could be an All Pro this

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:45.480
<v Speaker 1>year after he's had a borderline all Pro season. When

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.919
<v Speaker 1>he has all of these, you know, his agent's gonna

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:49.399
<v Speaker 1>go to a combine. He's gonna talk to people see

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.240
<v Speaker 1>what the value is when he has all these pencil

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.320
<v Speaker 1>off for sitting there, it's gonna be a lot easier

0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to talk to him then, or a lot harder to

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 1>talk to him then. So yeah, I mean, I think

0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:58.200
<v Speaker 1>it makes a lot of sense for them to get

0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the deep sign. Now these in house and free agents

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:05.719
<v Speaker 1>come to market, We've seen that it gets, it gets pricey.

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 2>J C. Jackson I think immediately priced himself out of

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 2>New England when he hit the market. Joe Toney priced

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:14.400
<v Speaker 2>himself out of the New England and when he hit

0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:17.600
<v Speaker 2>the open market. So again, I think that this is

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where and I honestly wouldn't be

0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>totally shocked if the Patriots actually said this. The Kyle

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Duggar coming into training camp like show out in camp

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:33.480
<v Speaker 2>have have this strong summer and we'll we'll talk again

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and they have that.

0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Well we know they're already talking to guy because josh

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Ucha said today that his team has talked to the

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Patriots about an extension, Like and that could just be, hey, extension,

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 1>all right, we can we can chat like it could

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 1>be just setting up the talk, but like it's on

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 1>their minds.

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Kyle Duger good football player. Yes, first impressions

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:57.080
<v Speaker 2>of Christian gonzales.

0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Ca can play, can play, I said when we did

0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 1>our training camp previous show. And I think for him,

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm pretty comfortable, definitely more so than most

0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:08.480
<v Speaker 1>rookies in terms of where he's at as a player. Individually.

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 1>It's just a little for any guy coming in for

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:13.240
<v Speaker 1>a first overall pick, coming in any position, there's little

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.600
<v Speaker 1>nuances to the NFL game that players have to pick up,

0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and as good as you are, sometimes that can take

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:20.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. So for me watching him, it's all right.

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Is how long is the learning curve going to be

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.600
<v Speaker 1>until we're really talking about him? Is like locked in

0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 1>as an NFL player? Is it going to be the

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:28.040
<v Speaker 1>season is going to be a couple of months? Is

0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it going to be you know by the end of camp,

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:30.600
<v Speaker 1>is he just going to come in and kind of

0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:32.360
<v Speaker 1>get hit the ground role in the first few days

0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>and with the red zone work, it's tough to get

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a full picture of that. But like he there haven't

0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:38.960
<v Speaker 1>There hasn't been once that I've looked, and again it's

0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 1>very limited sample size, but I know there's been one

0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 1>play and I've watched him quite a bit. Yeah that

0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I've watched him and said, a rookie mistake. All right,

0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:48.240
<v Speaker 1>he's got to figure that out. Like he's he's for

0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and for a young guy too. They generally draft guys

0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that are twenty three, twenty four years old. For a

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.919
<v Speaker 1>kid who just turned twenty one, he is a very

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:58.560
<v Speaker 1>mature player, and that's very exciting to see.

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's got a great grasp of what they're doing. Defensively. Yeah,

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:02.960
<v Speaker 2>he's gotten beat a few times. He's a corner, he's

0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna get beat. Yeah, that's the nature of the position.

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.800
<v Speaker 2>He's gotten beat a few times. But all of it

0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 2>is more I personally think, just physical. He'll get there

0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:16.040
<v Speaker 2>in terms of his ability to stay glue to guys

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 2>at the top of routes and anticipate things like that.

0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.320
<v Speaker 2>As he matures and as he sees more reps in

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the NFL. But what I'm really optimistic about is how

0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:29.080
<v Speaker 2>tied into what they're doing defensively from a schematic perspective,

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 2>he knows how to play to his leverage. You see

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 2>him in man coverage like sitting on the correct hip

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 2>at the receiver because he knows he's got the help inside.

0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:40.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, you see him walling off the routes that

0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.400
<v Speaker 2>he needs to be worried about, and not worried about

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:46.520
<v Speaker 2>the routes worried the help is. That's something that a

0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of great corners, if you watch them play, That's

0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:53.280
<v Speaker 2>what makes them able to make so many great plays

0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and suffocate receivers is that they know their leverage, they

0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:00.040
<v Speaker 2>know their assignment. And I think that he has a

1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>really good grasp what they do. And he ran that

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.440
<v Speaker 2>you know that switch that banjo with Miles Bryant yesterday

1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:08.320
<v Speaker 2>where you know there was his receiver broke outside, Miles

1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Bryant's receiver broke inside, and they just passed it off seamlessly.

1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, those are the types of the high IQ plays,

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and they had advanced kind of understanding and feel an

1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:22.400
<v Speaker 2>instinct for coverage. That is really really optimistic. I think

1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:27.280
<v Speaker 2>that he's he's as far along as a Patriots rookie,

1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:29.400
<v Speaker 2>like he's going to be a Day one outside corner.

1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:32.840
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna start Day one at outside corner against the

1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Eagles in Week one, Like I don't have any hesitant.

1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't really know the last time

1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:41.920
<v Speaker 2>they had a rookie where it felt like A that

1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:44.000
<v Speaker 2>was gonna happen and B it should have like no

1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:46.240
<v Speaker 2>offense to cold Strange, But Cole Strange was put in

1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:48.320
<v Speaker 2>it as a starting left guard last year because they

1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:50.320
<v Speaker 2>had nobody else to play there. Right, they have some

1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:54.600
<v Speaker 2>other corners that theoretically could play over Christian Gonzalez Gonzales

1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:57.160
<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't going well, and I don't think that

1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that's really going to be the case.

1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Really quickly, a little NFL breaking news real quick. Sure,

1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow was carted off practice, know if his ankle

1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:08.919
<v Speaker 1>or calf, but oh boy and INSINCENTI and I saw

1:01:09.000 --> 1:01:13.840
<v Speaker 1>some people so unfortunate reality of camp.

1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really quickly as well, not just football wise, Jack Jones,

1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:24.040
<v Speaker 2>the fallout there definitely have seen him demoted to second

1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:28.240
<v Speaker 2>team reps with in the secondary. So it's really gonna

1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:31.479
<v Speaker 2>be at least for right now, until Jack Jones's legal

1:01:31.520 --> 1:01:34.720
<v Speaker 2>situation works itself out or doesn't. It's gonna be Christian

1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Gonzales and Jonathan Jones on the outside, and then it's

1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Miles Brian versus Marcus Jones for the slot role. How

1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.320
<v Speaker 2>do you feel about that? I really think that that's

1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:47.640
<v Speaker 2>still a really good group. I mean, obviously it's better

1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:51.000
<v Speaker 2>with with Jack and with Jonathan Jones back inside in

1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the slot, But I still think that that's a really

1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:57.800
<v Speaker 2>strong group. And I think Jonathan Jones showed us last year. Okay,

1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:02.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's not gonna be shadowing Justin Jefferson Stefan Diggs,

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Like you did need a little bit better player, and

1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:07.240
<v Speaker 2>that's why Christian Gonzalez is here. But I still think

1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:09.480
<v Speaker 2>he can play outside corner and I'm not like too

1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:11.200
<v Speaker 2>concerned about him being outside again.

1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my question with Jack Jones is, you know, are

1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:16.880
<v Speaker 1>they preparing for a potential suspension or something, or do

1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:18.760
<v Speaker 1>they think that this is the best group they have,

1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:22.960
<v Speaker 1>or like why is he getting fewer reps? I don't know.

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:25.680
<v Speaker 1>We're just not gonna know, and I don't think they

1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:26.800
<v Speaker 1>does ask them but.

1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it has to be that they are preparing

1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:34.400
<v Speaker 2>for not having him, whether it's a suspension, whether it's

1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:38.920
<v Speaker 2>team mandated where they just say, until your legal situation

1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:42.160
<v Speaker 2>saw resolves itself, we're not going to put you out there.

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Whatever the case may be, whatever the reasoning is, I'm

1:02:45.400 --> 1:02:47.680
<v Speaker 2>not going to speculate, but I think that they are

1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:51.600
<v Speaker 2>looking at it like we cannot get this defense ready

1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:55.000
<v Speaker 2>by in rely on the fact that we're going to

1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:57.520
<v Speaker 2>have Jack Jones out there and have him be a

1:02:57.560 --> 1:02:59.800
<v Speaker 2>part of the nucleus of the defense and then get

1:02:59.840 --> 1:03:02.640
<v Speaker 2>him stripped away and then you're in trouble. And now

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting Jonathan Jones or Jalen Mills or someone like

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<v Speaker 2>that ready to play corner. Like a week out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Philly's coming on the bus and you're you're you're just

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<v Speaker 2>starting to get those guys ready, like you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>that to happen. So that that's a synopsis of the

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<v Speaker 2>first two days of Patriots training camp. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>next week on Thursday, probably around the same time. Three

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock is about when we can the dust settles for

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<v Speaker 2>us and we can get on the air. So around

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<v Speaker 2>three o'clock next Thursday to break down another what will

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully be a couple of padded practices at that point

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<v Speaker 2>and we can really get in to the nitty gritty

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<v Speaker 2>of training camp. But it's been a fun couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to see the team back out there, good

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<v Speaker 2>to have some things to talk about. And we will

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<v Speaker 2>definitely continue to monitor the Dalvin Cook situation. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that could heat up a little bit as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think by the time we do the show

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<v Speaker 1>next week we have a resolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready for another sweepstakes? Like DeAndre Hopkins, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel to do it, Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it all right? So until then, signing off

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<v Speaker 2>for Alex Barth Marine Behind the Glass, I'm Evan Lazar.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for listening, Thanks so much for watching,

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