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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our barat.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: you're wrong. I'm so fifty to fifty on that one.

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Speaker 1: That was the hardest choice I made, Anthony Jennings, Matt Wilson,

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Speaker 1: which guy is it? But it's the hardest choice of

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Speaker 1: all the stuff on the roster projection. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: toughest one. What was tougher for you?

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Speaker 2: It's the whole roster?

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Speaker 1: Okay, rights, go watch Savi, You're worthy.

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Speaker 2: We're back in studio today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just realized as I was walking in here. Morrell,

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Speaker 2: it's been a couple of weeks since we've been live

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Speaker 2: on the show. That's okay, it's been a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: And uh, it's good to be back back from vacation

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Speaker 2: and back to Patriots training camp.

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Speaker 1: And this is from vacation. First off, of congratulations and

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Speaker 1: all the pleasantries. Meanwhile, I am over here. I remain

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Speaker 1: married to the game another word for single. I'm married

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Speaker 1: to the game.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's me, it's Evan Lazar and me Evan Lazar,

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Speaker 2: Alex barth Morell behind the glass for you. At the

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Speaker 2: next hour or so, we're gonna talk Patriots Training Camp,

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Speaker 2: Day two. And on the one hand, I'm not I'm

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Speaker 2: not just saying this just because I'm carrying anyone. I

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Speaker 2: love training camp like this is. This is my favorite

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Speaker 2: time of year. I'm so jacked up that camp is

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Speaker 2: back and that we get to cover training camp and

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Speaker 2: cover the practice. This is the best access that we

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Speaker 2: get to the team all year long because we actually

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Speaker 2: get to watch practice, which is a ton of fun

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Speaker 2: and into something that I absolutely love doing. With that said, Alex,

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Speaker 2: I have to be honest, this is a huge tease

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Speaker 2: the first couple of days, this new five day acclamation period.

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Speaker 2: I totally understand it from the player's perspective. They totally

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Speaker 2: were in their right to ram up slowly and not

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Speaker 2: just get thrown right into padded practices on day one.

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Speaker 2: With that being said, it's a tease for the media,

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Speaker 2: it's a tease for us. We get out there, you know,

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Speaker 2: wide eyed and ready to go on day one yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and it's an extension of what they were doing in

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Speaker 2: the spring. It's really not live Live. You're not evaluating

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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, that's for sure, and it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a slow ramp up. But with that

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Speaker 2: being said, we're still going to talk about everything that

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Speaker 2: we saw, or most of the things that we saw,

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Speaker 2: and break it all down and probably overreact a little

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Speaker 2: bit too much to a few things here and there,

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Speaker 2: as we tend to do, but we try not to.

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Speaker 2: We try to tell you what's real, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's a big thing about this time of year two.

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Speaker 2: Not to get all my soapbox, but there's certain things

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Speaker 2: that are just training camp things, and then there's certain

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Speaker 2: things that actually have real football implications, and we try

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Speaker 2: our best on this show to separate those two things.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to give you things that are just

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Speaker 2: another run of the mill training camp practice and nothing

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Speaker 2: along those lines, my big opening take to camp two

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Speaker 2: is is that if there's anything to be really positive about.

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Speaker 2: Out of the first two days, it's that for the

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Speaker 2: healthy going into this camp. They're healthy. I think the

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Speaker 2: team in some ways, it's not quite as much buzz

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Speaker 2: a pep in the step. I think a combination of things.

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Speaker 2: good vibes right now. And I compared to the twenty

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Speaker 2: they wanted to go ultimately and the playoff game was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. And I just think

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Speaker 1: rejuvenation and energy, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: I think you're seeing already the impact a guy like

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. Sorry, a guy is just too sweaty. I need

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Speaker 1: to get off everything. This sweats a shower, I do,

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Speaker 1: I really do. Hot day human. I don't do well

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Speaker 2: We should have a media lockero.

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Speaker 1: No, we should, no, we should no, No, that's a

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut you off right there. You've seen, you're

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Speaker 1: seeing I think already the impact Bill O'Brien makes on

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Speaker 1: kind of a really low bar to be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's something that is important because

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Speaker 2: hundred web radio at Patriots dot com get that in

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Speaker 2: But mainly, when you're in the red zone, it's a

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Speaker 2: the defense just sitting there like really just ran like

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Speaker 2: it's the same play, right. So, I think that the

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Speaker 1: Being able to go to the easiest way to score.

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Speaker 2: Right, without being able to run the football, and on

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Speaker 2: more execution based things that they need to clean up

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Speaker 2: they obviously needed to clear, and I think they have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the perfect example. I was kind of flashing back

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Speaker 1: to last year because the offense wasn't great yesterday, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't great. I don't think it was as bad as

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Speaker 1: maybe some people portrayed. But it wasn't great. But I

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Speaker 1: remember last year they weren't great on the first day.

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Speaker 1: And my big takeaway was, and you know, I think

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be days the offense wins. There's gonna be

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Speaker 1: days the defense wins. And what you look for and

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Speaker 1: we didn't know what was to come at this time.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the first day of camp last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what you're looking for is all right, defense one today.

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Speaker 1: Is the offense going to come out with a sense

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Speaker 1: of urgency tomorrow because you want to see that competitive fire.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to come out with a sense of

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Speaker 1: urgency tomorrow and punch back essentially right and go punch

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Speaker 1: for punch because that's what you want to see. And again,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't perfect for the offense today, but they came

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Speaker 1: out and they went punch for punch. I thought there

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Speaker 1: were some really nice plays made by the offense today.

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Speaker 1: I thought you got a really good indication of what

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Speaker 1: passing game. And Evan you're gonna hate this. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: Was the opposite. Today was he had a good stretch

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't in that thing where and I'm the

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Speaker 1: So Mac did about ten for an interception, so whatever

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Speaker 2: Twenty he did.

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Speaker 1: He did that, He goes over. He had a laugh

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Speaker 1: it's you do want to see some contenditive fire, right.

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Speaker 2: But I want to talk about the interception because.

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Speaker 1: It was bad, plight, it was a really bad I want.

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Speaker 2: To talk about the interception, but I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to lead on them. Mac was the

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Speaker 2: to lead with, though, is that I saw in two

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Speaker 2: And both plays came not surprisingly, when they pushed the

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Speaker 2: The first one was the longest pass and probably the

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Speaker 2: Mac just throws where the safety isn't if the safety

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Speaker 2: which is a good thing. The Juju touchdown, Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: So it makes it a little bit easier for receivers

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Speaker 2: We're asking him to drive the ball in a window

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Speaker 2: Some people thought that in a game, he probably just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was you know, he tries to

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Speaker 2: Times so that there was a few coverage sacks. Yeah,

434
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Speaker 2: I say, I use air quotes for the people that

435
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Speaker 2: are just listening to the podcast. A coverage sacks today

436
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Speaker 2: that that happened, you know, they happened last year. It

437
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Speaker 2: seemed like every other dropback was a covered sack like

438
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Speaker 2: that that would happen all last season and a term

439
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Speaker 2: last summer. I should say during training camp. I don't

440
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Speaker 2: think that it happened. It was quite the same as bad,

441
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Speaker 2: I should say, so far in the first two days,

442
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Speaker 2: but it just seems to me. And look, you can

443
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Speaker 2: take this. If you want to take a negative slant

444
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Speaker 2: on this, it's that he's limited. He's limited. His scope

445
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Speaker 2: of what he's capable of doing is pretty limited. If

446
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Speaker 2: you want to take a positive take on it is

447
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Speaker 2: that I do think you can build an offense around

448
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Speaker 2: the things that I highlighted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, absolutely, I mean it's it's not I

450
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Speaker 1: almost don't want to say it's like the San Francisco

451
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Speaker 1: offense because then you go back to that, Oh my god,

452
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Speaker 1: it's Shanahan everything they did last year, but you're going

453
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Speaker 1: about it a different way. But I think the core

454
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Speaker 1: concepts are the same. It's it's a quick hitting, paint

455
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Speaker 1: by number matchup leverage based scheme and you don't have

456
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Speaker 1: the West Coast elements of it. You're doing it out

457
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Speaker 1: of more of a spread set. But I I mean

458
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Speaker 1: there's there's some overlap in there. Yeah, yeah, I agree,

459
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Speaker 1: And I also like, just on that line, I wonder

460
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Speaker 1: if that's what they were trying to go for last

461
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Speaker 1: year and they just went too far in the other di.

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Speaker 2: I think, and so I think they were. But I

463
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Speaker 2: think the main thing is is once they got into

464
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Speaker 2: the season and they kind of scrapped some of like

465
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Speaker 2: the under center, outside zone Shanahan McVeigh stuff, and they

466
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Speaker 2: got into more spread a lot of what they were

467
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Speaker 2: doing spread wise was really emphasizing the quarterback or the

468
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Speaker 2: receivers making plays. Like they just receivers just had to

469
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Speaker 2: win on their routes and the quarterback had to really

470
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Speaker 2: make some really good downfield throws for that offense to succeed.

471
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Speaker 2: And for better or worse, they don't really have receivers

472
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Speaker 2: that can create separation on their own, and they don't

473
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Speaker 2: have a play making quarterback in the sense of like

474
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Speaker 2: a Mahomes or an Allen or Herbert or some one

475
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Speaker 2: of those guys that can just run around and make plays.

476
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Speaker 2: So you gotta the scheme's got to help in some way,

477
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Speaker 2: shape or form. And that's where play action. That's where RPO,

478
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Speaker 2: that's where motion, that's where formations. Right, we've seen the

479
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Speaker 2: couple of these things where they're changing up formations and

480
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Speaker 2: motioning guys and putting guys like tight ends outside or

481
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Speaker 2: running backs inside and different guys in different spots like

482
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Speaker 2: that's that's how you can help try to get guys open,

483
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Speaker 2: get guys matchups that can be favorable because you don't

484
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Speaker 2: just have a guy that you can just run out

485
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Speaker 2: to the X receiver spot and have them just beat

486
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Speaker 2: the guy in front of them ten times in a

487
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Speaker 2: game like that, just they just don't have that player

488
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Speaker 2: on the roster. So I think that there's some bones

489
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Speaker 2: there that they're really building upon. I want to talk

490
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Speaker 2: a little bit about the receivers. Obviously everybody wants to

491
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Speaker 2: hear about the receivers. I talked a little bit about Juju.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, not like much to go crazy about,

493
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Speaker 2: but I thought today was a good day for Juju.

494
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Speaker 2: I thought he's getting a little bit better, building it

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Speaker 2: up slowly a little bit more and more. That throw

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Speaker 2: that I mentioned that the pass, the touchdown pass that

497
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Speaker 2: I had just kind of broke down. That was like,

498
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Speaker 2: if you could have told Bill Belichick and Macro and

499
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Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien back in March that they were gonna be

500
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Speaker 2: able to hit that exact throw, they would have been like, Yeah,

501
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Speaker 2: this is exactly why we signed Juju, Like it was

502
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Speaker 2: exactly what you drew up on the whiteboard when you

503
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Speaker 2: made the signing in March. So I think that's really optimistic.

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Speaker 2: That was probably the play that I said that should

505
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Speaker 2: make Patriots fans excited, because that's exactly why Juju is here.

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Speaker 2: He's been playing predominantly in the slot, I think, almost

507
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Speaker 2: exclusively in the slot. He's running, you know, a lot

508
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Speaker 2: of crossing routes, a lot of seams are skinny posts,

509
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Speaker 2: you know, and slants like that type of thing. And

510
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Speaker 2: he's gonna be one of those guys that's gonna win

511
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the field for this team. And

512
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Speaker 2: I was I thought it was interesting that Macro and

513
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Speaker 2: I wanted to get a little bit more into Macro.

514
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Speaker 2: Then we can have time for it today, but maybe

515
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Speaker 2: we can talk about it next time a little bit more.

516
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Speaker 2: He mentioned that Juju is not gonna be a far

517
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Speaker 2: departure from some of the other slot receivers that we've

518
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Speaker 2: seen here, and people were like, you're saying, he's, you know,

519
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Speaker 2: like Edelman or Welker, and I think he meant more Jacoby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well the other interesting thing, like on top of that,

521
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Speaker 1: I forget who was it Bill today? Somebody said today?

522
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Speaker 1: Was Bill or you know Mac was going to say.

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Speaker 1: Somebody said today that they were building things into the

524
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Speaker 1: offense that Juju used to succeed in Pittsburgh and in

525
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Speaker 1: Kansas City like things. So if you put those two together,

526
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Speaker 1: that's Shakobe Myers. That is just straight up he's gonna

527
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Speaker 1: be like slot receivers has been here. But also there's

528
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Speaker 1: gonna be elements that he succeeded with in Pittsburgh and

529
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Speaker 1: Kansas City. That's that big slot stuff that Jacoby Myers did.

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Speaker 1: That's that's curls, that's you know, direct ins things like that,

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Speaker 1: where it's just get to the intermediate, use your size

532
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Speaker 1: to create separation. And the difference being I think with

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Speaker 1: him and Jacoby is he's gonna be able to do

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Speaker 1: a little more after the catch.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, So once they can move that that play

536
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Speaker 2: action play that they hit the touchdown on today. Once

537
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Speaker 2: they can move back even further and now all of

538
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Speaker 2: a sudden he's catching that and then he's running with

539
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Speaker 2: it after the catch. That that's why he's here. That

540
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Speaker 2: that that design and that type of route and and

541
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Speaker 2: all that is exactly why they made this.

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Speaker 1: I will say, though, there were a few periods where

543
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Speaker 1: I thought Juju wasn't as targeted, and in those periods

544
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Speaker 1: it was Christian Zolz covering him. Christian I didn't notice

545
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Speaker 1: him a ton yesterday, and again they weren't. It was

546
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Speaker 1: all very heavy. I thought Christian sauce was very good.

547
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Speaker 2: We'll get the Christian sauce. I'm gonna do this is this.

548
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Speaker 1: Is a right. You actually did a rundown for the show.

549
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Speaker 1: I didn't run down to keep us on track because

550
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Speaker 1: I I'll get three podcasts and two radio shows to

551
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Speaker 1: nice Flex ninety eight five of the sports dot com.

552
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Speaker 1: I'll be on Patriots Beat, and uh, I'll be on

553
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Speaker 1: the radio.

554
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Speaker 2: We don't have time sports Patriots anyways. Just I'm gonna

555
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Speaker 2: compliments how much the wide receivers right now? So I

556
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Speaker 2: compliment to Juju. Yes, thought he looked good today, So

557
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Speaker 2: compliment Sandwich I gotta be negative down and then I'll

558
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Speaker 2: compliment somebody after.

559
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Speaker 1: It's a criticism, it's not negative criticism.

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Speaker 2: Thank you criticism. Taekwon Thornton, Taekwon Thornton, and everybody knows

561
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Speaker 2: that I I love me some speed.

562
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Speaker 1: I mean that at first me practicing ot as you

563
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Speaker 1: were ready to put.

564
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Speaker 2: I was ready. I was ready for the year to

565
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Speaker 2: break out. Now, the one caveat that I'm still going

566
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Speaker 2: to use, and everybody's gon out. You always do this, Evan,

567
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Speaker 2: and then the guy stinks and you just don't want

568
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Speaker 2: to say, I'm still using this caveat. I don't care.

569
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Speaker 2: The one caveat that I'm going to use is that

570
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Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton's area of the field is between the twenties.

571
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Speaker 2: He's not he's not a red zone player like he

572
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Speaker 2: just isn't okay, So let's let's throw that aside for

573
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Speaker 2: a second. He has I think kind of struggled in

574
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Speaker 2: these first two practices to get away from coverage. He's

575
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Speaker 2: been targeted only one time and the two practices and

576
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Speaker 2: the he was smothered on the route and the ball

577
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Speaker 2: sailed out of the back of the end zone. It

578
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: was almost essentially a throwaway. And then there was a

579
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Speaker 2: moment today And this is what's more troubling to me

580
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Speaker 2: than the lack of a separation, because I think in

581
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Speaker 2: between the twenties he'll separate. But the part that really

582
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Speaker 2: troubled me was a moment where he appeared to me,

583
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Speaker 2: and I'm saying this, like, you know, delicately, because I

584
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Speaker 2: don't know for one hundred percent sure, but appeared to

585
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Speaker 2: me like he ran the wrong route and he had

586
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Speaker 2: a little route like it looked like it was sort

587
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Speaker 2: of a converted style route where the corner was sitting

588
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Speaker 2: outside of him right the corner was outside of him

589
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Speaker 2: into the sideline, and instead of hitting the out and

590
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Speaker 2: then returning back into the middle of the field and

591
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Speaker 2: kind of sitting down right inside of the corner, he

592
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Speaker 2: kept running into coverage and and got himself into coverage

593
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Speaker 2: like he ran himself into the defender. And immediately after

594
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Speaker 2: the play, mac Jones ran over to him because it

595
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: was I think it was the last play of the sequence. Uh,

596
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: And mac Jones ran over to him and started correcting

597
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: him and saying instead of you know, running and then

598
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Speaker 2: and then continuing into the coverage like I want you

599
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: to come back in and get yourself into a better spot.

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Speaker 2: And he under like he took the teaching moment and

601
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Speaker 2: like he took the the critique. And now that's all

602
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: well and good. But I think the big thing is

603
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: for me is that this this came up on his

604
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: film last year, was some issues with route running and

605
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: some of it was technique based, some of it was

606
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: was processing based, right, which was this was process is

607
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: one technique, but overall he was not a very good

608
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Speaker 2: route runner as a rookie. And if he's not going

609
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: to develop that sort of part of his game, then

610
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Speaker 2: really all he is is a guy that can run fast,

611
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: and that's not what they need. Like, they really would

612
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: greatly benefit And I think this is why I talk

613
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: myself into it, is because they would greatly benefit from

614
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Speaker 2: a year or two breakout from Taekwon Thornton. And in

615
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Speaker 2: two days I have been a little bit skeptical of

616
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Speaker 2: that happening.

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Speaker 1: Well again, you talk about, yeah, the red zone is

618
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: not necessarily gonna be his area of expertise. But we've

619
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Speaker 1: talked about this in the wake of the DeAndre Hopkins

620
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: thing that all right, Well, somebody, whether it's Kendrick Bourne,

621
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Speaker 1: whether it's Taekwon Thornton. Somebody has to maybe it's DeVante Parker,

622
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Speaker 1: somebody hear jujus, but somebody has to emerge as that

623
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Speaker 1: true number one, that coverage dictating receiver. And I'm not

624
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Speaker 1: saying Thornton has to be at his best in the

625
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Speaker 1: red zone, but ideally that guy is going to play

626
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Speaker 1: at that level at any spot on the field. We

627
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: got the definition yesterday for Matt grow of a number

628
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: one five receiver right good at everything. And if Thornton's

629
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Speaker 1: not gonna be good in the red zone, I'm not

630
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Speaker 1: saying that means he can't be an umber one wide receiver,

631
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Speaker 1: but that really he's got to really be special in

632
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Speaker 1: between the twenties at that point to justify it. Last

633
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: year we saw some flashes of route running creativity in

634
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Speaker 1: the red zone. He had the touchdown against the Giants

635
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: in the preseason. Yeah, the one he caught from Zappi

636
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: and Cleveland, where again he breaks off, he sees the

637
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: quarterback moving out of the pocket, he breaks off, his

638
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: routy comes back, he gets himself open. So coming into this,

639
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, and he's not going to be

640
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: a red zone thread. That's not his game. But can

641
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: he build on that and just be a factor in

642
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: the red zone even if they're not right, I don't

643
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: need him to be their top option in the red zone.

644
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: He shouldn't be, Like we set off the top of

645
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: the show. They have Devonte Parker, they have Mike Asiki,

646
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: they have Hunter Henry. They have these guys that can

647
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: go up and climb the ladder and be competitive in

648
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: terms of vertical separation. But if Thornton's going to be

649
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: the guy I think we all think he needs to

650
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: be for this offense to maximize. He needs to be

651
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: a guy that is going to be when you're in

652
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: twelve personnel, is going to be one of your two

653
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: best options in the red zone. And not that he's

654
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: been terrible, but he hasn't poffed in the red zone

655
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: so far, and that's you kind of wanted to see

656
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: that from him.

657
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just ideed him to clean up the route running.

658
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: I think that's the main thing is that you gotta

659
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: be able to understand the complexities of the offense, like

660
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: the conversions and the option routes and things like that.

661
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: And that's not like truly an option route. It's more

662
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: like a conversion where they give the receivers the freedom

663
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: to Okay, if you have an out, but there's a corner,

664
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: a cover two corner just squatting waiting for you to

665
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: run an out, then what's the point of you running

666
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: that out right where we're gonna allow you to run

667
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: something that's a little bit more advantageous against that type

668
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: of coverage. The reason why I say all this isn't

669
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: to pick on him for one route. The main reason

670
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: why I say this is because that guy won't play

671
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: in this like Bill O'Brien's not gonna play the receiver

672
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: that doesn't know where he's going, right. It's just that's

673
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: not how they operate here. And he might be physically

674
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: really talented, and he might be really fast, and he

675
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: might be Why I am so bullish on him coming

676
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: into camp was because he's really the only true burner

677
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: in this group. Nobody else can run like him, even close?

678
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Uh not in that top group.

679
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: Well, well, maybe I think I know who you're talking about,

680
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna get sixt This is my compliment Sandwich.

681
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: All right, I was giving you an easy transition, but okay,

682
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: finish all.

683
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 2: Right, And that is that should be Taekwon is the

684
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: one guy that I feel like, Okay, this guy can

685
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: stretch the field, this guy can take the top off

686
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: whatever cliche you want to use, and they could really

687
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: use that to open up the middle of the field

688
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: for where they really want to throw the football, which

689
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: is to Juju and the tight ends and the backs

690
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. If they can't have a burner

691
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: out there, they're slow. They're a slow group. It's Devonte

692
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: Parker on the outside, it's Juju in the slot, it's

693
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: the two tight ends. It's not a very fast group.

694
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: And that does have concerns for me. Now, compliment sandwich time.

695
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: Yep.

696
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: The one guy. So the Patriots have been working in practice,

697
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: and we're talking a lot about the passing game because

698
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: there's no pads, so we're not we're not talking a

699
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: ton about the line of scrimmage. Yet the Patriots been

700
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: working in the passing game with a foursome at receiver

701
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: that you were not surprised by. It's right Juju, it's Parker,

702
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: it's Born, it's Thornton, it's the two tight ends.

703
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: And that was even pretty defined during a special teams

704
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: period today on the side field. It was Mac in

705
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: those fours the tight ends were doing, especially something Mac

706
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: in those four receivers, So there's not even a fifth

707
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: guy that's like started to like is behind them. But

708
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: in that group, it's those four and then.

709
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: And then you also have you know, the backs like

710
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: time on Comer and Mermandra Stevenson. For the most part,

711
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: the one guy that seems to be creeping into that

712
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: group and has been over there hasn't gotten a ton

713
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: of reps, got a little bit more late in the

714
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: in the practice today. But the one guy that's creeping

715
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: over to that side of the field with the ones

716
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: is Tomario Douglas. Yes, and that is encouraging for multiple reasons.

717
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: I think from a mental standpoint, it makes sense. He

718
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: worked with the Patriots at the Shrine Bowl. He's been

719
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: here all spring, he's been healthy and working all spring.

720
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: And in a rookie.

721
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: What happened to just say, the wind blew over?

722
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: It was very windy up there today. To Mario Douglas,

723
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: I think there's reason to be a little bit optimistic here.

724
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: And we all we both liked him coming in. I

725
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: mean we're a little bit biased because we saw him

726
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: out in Vegas, So I guess maybe it was kind

727
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: of one of our guys, so to speak. But he's

728
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: somebody that you will get a lot of these receivers

729
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: that they have. You mentioned all the guys that they

730
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: have that are really big guys. They're good guys that

731
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: that are gonna win with physicality. He's one of the

732
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: few guys that's got the that jitterbuggy. Yeah, you know,

733
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: he's well literally he's got four to four speed. He's

734
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: got some quickness to his game. He's got that more

735
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: of that like shifty, explosive game to him. Where they

736
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: have a lot of these like long striders like a

737
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: Devonte Parker or a Mikeasicki and Hunter Henry. He's someone

738
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: that brings a different flavor. And we also mentioned the

739
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: the gadget plays and things like that they could do

740
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: with them. The jet sweeps, the screen passes like that

741
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: type of stuff exists in his game as well. But

742
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: I've been encouraged by what we've seen underneath the defense,

743
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: like does little quick hitters does, And that's something that

744
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: we know that Brady used to really rely upon because

745
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: it just gets the ball out of the quarterback's hands.

746
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: And when you look at the tackle position and where

747
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: they're at right now. With that we've said, I've said

748
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: how many times I said mac jone is gonna have

749
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: to be his own best pass protector this year. A

750
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: guy like tomorrow Douglas's going to get in and out

751
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: of his first break quickly and then be able to

752
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: create after the catch. That's the kind of guy that's

753
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: going to eat in this offense. One more observation on

754
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: Douglas for me, Evan. I know you roll your eyes

755
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: at the listed weights and all of that, but he was.

756
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: Just because I know how the the uh what's not

757
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: what's the thing with the I know how it's made

758
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: behind the scenes.

759
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: How the sausages made. But like objectively here in shout

760
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: out to the Patriots for sending us to the Shrine Bowl.

761
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: That's why this stuff is so big. We saw him

762
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl. I saw him. I stood next

763
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: to him. I talked to him the set. He was

764
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: one seventy nine at the Shrine bul. He's won seventy nine.

765
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: He's now listed at one ninety two. Yeah, I tasked

766
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: that looks about right.

767
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: Do you think he gain weight?

768
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 1: I think he he looks much more muscular. He definitely, yeah,

769
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: than thirteen A lot I don't know if he okay,

770
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: but I'm saying like his his body type has changed. Yeah,

771
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: he was he was a twig. He was a bit

772
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: of a twig, and he got hurt at the Shrine Bowl.

773
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: And he's not a guy I'm looking at now, like

774
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: looking at him at the Shrine Bowl. The big question,

775
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: as it is with a lot of guys I think

776
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: we're even talking about this was Za Yeah at the time,

777
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: was is he going to hold up in the NFL? Right?

778
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: But but just like physically he's he gonna be able

779
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: to not not like hold up in that sense, but

780
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to take enough hits.

781
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

782
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: And I look at tomorrow Douglas. Now you like the

783
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: term rocked up, right, a guy that's just he's he's

784
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: got that. Now he's bigger, he's he's more built to

785
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: play in the NFL. Yeah, we got to see how

786
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: he the play strength and now he uses that for

787
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: leverage and press. But I think if they use him right,

788
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: he's not a guy that's gonna get pressed a lot. Yeah,

789
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: but he looks he looks the part. He looks bigger.

790
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: The way it changed, you can see it in his

791
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: body and He's not any less quick. He's not any

792
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: less fast with that extra mass on his frame. So

793
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: when you see that, that stands out. He just has a.

794
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: Totally different body type and skill set from the rest

795
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: of the group, and that makes him I think we're

796
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: we're talking. We're talking him up right now. But what

797
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: I the main point of all of this is he's

798
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: easily has the inside track to be the fifth receiver on.

799
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: I think he's the guy right now. Yeah, I mean

800
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: you called him, you called him Day three z A

801
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: leading into the draft, and that's kind of that's translated.

802
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: You're seeing a similar skill set. He's not as advanced

803
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: as a guy in Baltimore. I haven't I haven't like

804
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: gotten catch up on any of the other teams.

805
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: It makes me sick.

806
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Is he is he balling out?

807
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:35,479
Speaker 2: Of course?

808
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but they're not in pads yet.

809
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, sure, okay, But anyways, I'm excited about tomorrow Douglas.

810
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Like I said, we're talking about him making the team

811
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: as the fifth receiver. We're not talking about him being

812
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: the next Julian Edelman. We're just saying that he's somebody

813
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 2: that's popped. He's somebody that's working with the other regular

814
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: guys that been rather top guys in the offense, and

815
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: that's different. You know, guys like Kaishawn Boudi, Malik Cunningham,

816
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: Edilee They're they're all working on a different part of

817
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: the field. And tomorrow Douglas is with the starters, which

818
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: I think is really notable. Last thing I have on

819
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: the dock and on the offense that we got to

820
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: take this call because we've left Sorrey care on hold

821
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: for thirty minutes. Last thing I want to talk about

822
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: the offense. My biggest takeaway, I think if we're trying

823
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: to go big picture about the offense and where they're

824
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: headed schematically and all that kind of stuff, I think

825
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: that with the Hopkins sweepstakes, it allowed us to talk

826
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: so much about receivers and receiver talent and all that

827
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Ultimately, this offense is going to live

828
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: or die by their offensive line. I think they have

829
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: enough skill talent wise that Bill O'Brien will scheme it

830
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: up and they'll be able to move the football. Maybe

831
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: it will look a little bit like twenty twenty one

832
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: in that sense, and hopefully you get a little bit

833
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: better quarterback play than rookie Mack and that's where the

834
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: difference is. But this offensive line is it's the making,

835
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: it's the breaking point for the entire team, I honestly feel.

836
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: And there's no pads, there's there's no legal contact. So

837
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm waiting to see Riley Reef with the pads on

838
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: because once he can be physical with guys, and he

839
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: can bully guys, and he can get his hands on

840
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: people and things like that, it could totally change. But

841
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: foot speed wise, Riley Reef has been a little bit slow.

842
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: It's a little bit slow getting out to his landmarks.

843
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: He's had some trouble protecting his corner. Those are things

844
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: that you notice now. On the other side, Trent Brown

845
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: looks great. Trent Brown looks ready to go. He looks

846
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: like he's in good shape. I'm optimistic that that's headed

847
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: in the right direction. Right tackle to me is still

848
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: a worrisome spot. And look, I don't want to do

849
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: the whole thing again, but the frustrating part still remains

850
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: for me that we knew it. It was a weak

851
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: spot on the roster last It was a turnstyle last year.

852
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: Let's just be honest. It was a turnstyle last year.

853
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 2: They could have addressed it with a real, a real,

854
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: a real solution in free agency, Like this was a

855
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: really good free agency tackle clefts for the draft. Orlando Brown,

856
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: Caleb McGarry, Juwan Taylor missing with McGlinchey. So they had

857
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: some real guys that they could have signed. And I

858
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: think in the draft that I give them a little

859
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: bit of a passing the draft because they weren't going

860
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: to draft them over Christian Goanzalez.

861
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. But but even in like the second third round,

862
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: somebody on the drafted somebody.

863
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, what are your again, you're non padded

864
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: very early on all the all the caveats. What are

865
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: your early impressions of the Riley Reef at right tackle.

866
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: That's a tough name to say, Reef right tackle experience.

867
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: Well, it's first of all, and I look, I'm having

868
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: trouble with this one because you know me, I'm bad

869
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: at like approximating things like how long have you been

870
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: in the car? I'll say half an hour, it's been

871
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: three hours. I have no concept of that. But look,

872
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: the Matriots have some real behemos to tackle. Trent Brown's

873
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: six six three eighty Conor McDermott I think is like,

874
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: what six seven three thirty. Calvin Anderson's a big dude

875
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: as well. Riley Reef is listed at six six three ten.

876
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't look big to me, and maybe that's who

877
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: he's standing next to. He doesn't look small, but he

878
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: doesn't look big.

879
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: And I'm just worried about the foot speed.

880
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: Well, so that's the thing. I'm like, if he had size,

881
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: if even more size like that, you don't lose size

882
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: with age, right right, whereas some of the other stuff. Yeah,

883
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: like there was one today and look, I actually thought

884
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: Jeloanni Toebah had a really good day today all around.

885
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: He made a couple of plays, so he was sort

886
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: of locked in. But yeah, there was one today where

887
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: nothing against Stelanna Tobia. Speed's not his game. He's not

888
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: the fastest guy on the team. Jelanny Taya ran right

889
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: by him on the beach and that was you know

890
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: that that's a moment that you look at you say,

891
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: I don't know even with the pads, I don't know

892
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: about that one.

893
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: I think the main thing is is that it's not

894
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: just sing it off of two days in trading camp.

895
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: His foot speed was starting to decline last year. On film, He's.

896
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: Thirty four, Just just say what it is. He's thirty four.

897
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of thirty four year old tackles

898
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL.

899
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: But I just want to make sure it's clear that

900
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: I thought his play was declining from last season in

901
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: actual NFL games, and then he comes out here in

902
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: camp and it doesn't look so hot either. Now, maybe

903
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: they give it a couple of weeks. Calvin Anderson comes

904
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: off of NFI. Maybe he's somebody that they worked him

905
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 2: out at left tackle for most of the spring because

906
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: Trent Brown wasn't here. But maybe he actually ends up

907
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: being the right you know, right tackle solution. Maybe Connor

908
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: McDermott jumps him on the depth chart. Maybe City South

909
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: comes out of nowhere and is somebody that can make

910
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: a push for the right tackle spot. But that to me, offensively,

911
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: maybe even more so than the receivers at this point,

912
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: continues to be a worrisome situation. The one other thing

913
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: that was a little bit worried some I I want

914
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: to see tomorrow if he's back out there and if

915
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: he's fine, But Toy Montgomery did get a little bit

916
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: dinged up today. He that's his thing, like he's on

917
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: the track every single time. We see him every in

918
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: the spring, last year, in the summer, last year, in

919
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: the spring, this year, first two days of training camp

920
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: this year, he's looked the part of the of the

921
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: pass catching back to the Patriots need he has, but

922
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: he can't. He's gotta stay healthy. Yeah, and if he's

923
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: already getting dinged up, and I know you're you can

924
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: go on your whole thing about about the cornerback that

925
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: threw him the ball.

926
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: No, it's it's it's a shame because he did look

927
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: really good, and he looked good, you know, last year

928
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: he's got We'll see what happened today, Like he didn't.

929
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: I think it's encouraging. They didn't come right off the field.

930
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful it was just a tweak and just kind

931
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: of an awkward Yeah.

932
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: So he he he because after the play he ran

933
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: a few more routes, which he looked fine running the routes,

934
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: like in between plays, he's like shaking his leg and stuff.

935
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: And then he went over to the trainers and spent

936
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: the rest of the day with them, did some light jogging.

937
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: But if he's healthy, he's a game changer. Because you

938
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: mentioned him in that third down back he's been wrapping

939
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: a lot of wide receiver to he's listed as a

940
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver.

941
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: I just I know he's not the the I know

942
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: it's been a while since he's produced. And that's the

943
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: big thing with him. It's like, I'll believe it when

944
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: I see it in an actual game. And I also

945
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: know that he's not the most explosive guy, Like he's

946
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: not like this game breaking receiving back or a receiver

947
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: slash receiving back. But I think what's really unique about

948
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: him is what you just said is that he can

949
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: also play wide receiver. Yeah, and Bill O'Brien is one

950
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: of those guys that is just gonna f with defenses

951
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: with the guy.

952
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. You put like Evan, I

953
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: said this to you a month ago. You put him

954
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: in Mike Kasiki, both in the formation, both in the huddle. Yeah,

955
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: the defense has no idea. What's is it eleven? Is

956
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: it twelve? Is it ten? Is it right?

957
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: Are they running? Are they passing?

958
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: It can be so many things, and they.

959
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: Can be empty or they could be under center and

960
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: run the ball out of that and it's it's all

961
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: the same.

962
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: To them, exactly exactly so I think there's tremendous value

963
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: in time on comery on this offense, and I still

964
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: think he can play. It's not the same question as

965
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: can he be held, but it's kind of the same question.

966
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: How much do they put in the offense for him?

967
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: Because the thing about Toime Montgomery is that things you're

968
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna build the entire offense around him,

969
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: but you'd like to put in some things that feature

970
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: him and feature you know, take advantage of that versatility.

971
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: The problem is if you can't count on it be

972
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: on the field, are you installing stuff that suddenly you

973
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: can't use. I don't know that there's.

974
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: A guy maybe it's Pierre Strong, maybe.

975
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: But Pierre Strong, I don't know how much. He's never

976
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: played wide receiver. The guy I would go to is

977
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurd, but I haven't been super wild by what

978
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: I've seen from Jalen Hurt.

979
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: But he hasn't done anything else.

980
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: He's a little stiff, he can run a straight line.

981
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: But it's you know, how much of that stuff are

982
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: you gonna put in the playbook? Knowing are we gonna

983
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: be able to go back to this? Like if he

984
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: gets hurt now you're throwing out in tiere sections of

985
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: the playbook and then if it's and even if he

986
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: is out the al right, so you have you know,

987
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: maybe you build it in as the season goes on.

988
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's my question with him is not even

989
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: can they count on him? How much do they think

990
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: they can count on him? How much of a significant

991
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: role are they willing to give him in the big

992
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: picture element of the offense, knowing that his availability is

993
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: kind of up in the air, and I you know,

994
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: we'll see if he's out there tomorrow. If this is

995
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a significant injury, then I think

996
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: the question's answered. It's you know, maybe he starts he's

997
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: on IR or whatever like, and they go back to

998
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: it later when he comes back, they start putting it in.

999
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: But it is kind of a tough You want this

1000
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: guy to be a big part of your offense. But

1001
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: if you plan for him to be a big party

1002
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: your offense and he's not there, and he has such

1003
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: a unique skill set that you don't really have a backup.

1004
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: Right, I mean Bill Belichick's was asked what is his

1005
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: position and just said versatile.

1006
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: Well, so then there's the other layer of this it

1007
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: was reported today that the Patriots are may be setting

1008
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: up a meeting with Dalvin Cook.

1009
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a sad Okay, gotta stick

1010
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: on schedule. Let's get to Syrikira Surrika. I'm sorry to

1011
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: keep you on hold on. I hope you're saying your

1012
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: name correctly. But what do you got hey?

1013
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: You actually oh, SERGEI yeah, So to finally reach the

1014
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: best duel of the Patriots beat cool to say hi

1015
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 4: to Alex today the Hill.

1016
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: If you were the person whose hand I apologize shook

1017
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: somebody's hand and I think I have a firm handshake

1018
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: and somebody's like out my hand. So if that's you,

1019
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: I apologize, or whoever that was that they're listening. They

1020
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: said they listened to the show I apologize.

1021
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: Well, anyways, I'm talking about say in the running back step,

1022
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: I think it's not a great sign that Harry is

1023
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 4: strong and JJ allsplit reps with the one after Mandra

1024
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 4: and Ty We're out. Do you think Cook would be

1025
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: a real upgrade that allows Tie to maybe play more

1026
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: as a receiver, and like you said, maybe he doesn't

1027
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 4: get us injured.

1028
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, Sergeriya, and thanks for the

1029
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: call and for listening. So Dalvin Cook, I think that's

1030
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: a good transition. Yeah, set us up for it.

1031
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: Just to go back to the time Montgomery Port and

1032
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, how much of this stuff can you build

1033
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: in if you have a guy like Dalvin Cook who

1034
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: had like can I don't know that he has the

1035
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver background Toime Montgomery does, but I'd be comfortable

1036
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: giving him some of those slot responsibilities just based on

1037
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: his overall skill set and athleticism if you sign him,

1038
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: Because you got to figure out too how to get

1039
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: him and Romandra in the field at the same time

1040
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: without bring at twelve, you are twenty one without being

1041
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: in twenty one. I kept those mixed up. Yeah, but

1042
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: I want to say it right you you build that

1043
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: stuff in for Deavin Cook instead of Time Montgomery, and

1044
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: then Time Montgomery becomes the backup for that role and

1045
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: you're not relying on him as much. So I wonder

1046
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: if that would be part of the conversation with Dalvin Cook.

1047
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: So here's my two cents on Dalvin Cook. One, just

1048
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: along that line, I did go back and watch some

1049
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: of his twenty twenty one tape just to have it ready.

1050
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: You know I do that and got to be prepared,

1051
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: got to be prepared, and I was actually pleasantly surprised

1052
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: at how much Kevin O'Connell used him in the passing

1053
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: game as a receiver.

1054
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: They I'm actually looking for the snappers, and.

1055
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: So they ran. They have their the vikings and O'Connell

1056
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: KOC has their own empty package. Right that that Bill

1057
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: Brian's going to feature here, different different coaches, but just

1058
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: saying they both run empty, and Dalvin Cook did line

1059
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: up quite a bit as a receiver. Now, what they

1060
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: did with him as a receiver out of empty was

1061
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: they ran him on a lot of shallow drags and

1062
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: they just had him kind of run down the you know,

1063
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: run across the field and then they would just dump

1064
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: it to him and just create these catch and run opportunities.

1065
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: So essentially it's just like a long handoff, right, And

1066
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: that's still something that they could do if he does

1067
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: come here. The long story short on Dalvin Cook is that,

1068
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: as Macro said yesterday, there's a weird thing going on

1069
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: with the veteran market right now, especially at running back.

1070
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: But really there's a couple of really good players still available,

1071
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: like Ganick and Gockway to Davian Clowney, like, it's not

1072
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: just running backs. Marcus Peters just signed yeah, a couple

1073
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: of days ago. It's rare, as grow put it, that

1074
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: they're this many good players are still available this time

1075
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: of year. So in that sense, and we made the

1076
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: same argument with DeAndre Hopkins, it's a market deficiency that

1077
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook is still available on July twenty seventh. And

1078
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: when I say market deficiency, I mean the fact that

1079
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: they are not going to have to bake the braink

1080
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: bake wow, break the bank to pay him because that

1081
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: money is not out there for him. He's not going

1082
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: to make fifteen million dollars a year. He's not going

1083
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: to make twelve million dollars. I don't even think the

1084
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: money he's going to make six.

1085
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think the money is the issue with

1086
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook in the sense that he's not getting paid.

1087
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: He wants to reset his marketing. He wants to go

1088
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: somewhere where he can prove how good he is and

1089
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: is he going to come be a spellback here? So

1090
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: that's that's my main That's the big issue.

1091
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: It's double right, because one, he needs the opportunity to

1092
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: show what he can still do. And secondly, we know

1093
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: the Patriots and we know that they're going to tie

1094
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: his money up in incentives, and if he's not getting

1095
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: the touches to meet the incentives, then he's not going

1096
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: to make his money.

1097
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: So and that goes back to the point of you

1098
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: have to find for this to work. You have to

1099
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: find ways that him and remander on the field at

1100
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: the same time. That's basically what you have to do.

1101
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: Now.

1102
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: With all that said, because it sounds like I'm out

1103
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: on Dalvin Cook, I'm still there for the talent grab

1104
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: like I still think, oh that at some point you

1105
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: have to realize, yeah, it creates a redundancy. With Remondri's evenson,

1106
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: you are running the risk that Dalvin Cook is going

1107
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: to be like one hundred touches below his incentives in

1108
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: terms of your centives won't be tied up in touches.

1109
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: They'll probably be tied up in like snap counts and

1110
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: yards and touchdowns. And if he's he's probably not going

1111
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: to break the thresholds for a lot of his incentives,

1112
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: and so you run into the problem of maybe him

1113
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: being disgruntled because of that. Later on in the season,

1114
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that I think you have

1115
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: to be were concerned or just kind of like a

1116
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: little bit luke warm on the other last thing, I'll say,

1117
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: and I know you're gonna hate this with Alex, but

1118
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: the nerds do not like Dalvin Cook anymore.

1119
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: His analytics well, the nerds don't like running backs period, right.

1120
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 2: But even in relative to running backs, his efficiency last

1121
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: year in terms of the advanced metrics completely dropped off boo.

1122
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: So with that being said, I'm still here for the

1123
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 2: talent crab. I like talented football players on my football team.

1124
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: And if this is going to be your offense what

1125
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: we just described earlier action and you know, touch deep

1126
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: throws and quick hitters, and you're gonna have to run

1127
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: the ball, You're gonna have to be able to run

1128
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: the ball, and Remandre can't run the ball three hundred

1129
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: times again. So I'm for it, but I I don't

1130
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: think it happens, mainly because I think the Jets will

1131
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: offer him a much higher base salary. But I also

1132
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: am just not like I wouldn't be as upset about

1133
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: it as I was about DeAndre Hopkins.

1134
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Let me put you, Yeah, they don't need Cook like

1135
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how much better Cook makes them in

1136
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: the big picture. Yeah, he'd be a good player to have.

1137
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: But like Hopkins, I thought, was the guy that potentially

1138
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: alters the win total. I don't know the Cook. Maybe

1139
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: he makes it easier to win some already winnable games,

1140
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: and he makes some games that are gonna be tougher

1141
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: a little closer. But I'll give you this number on

1142
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: Cook though. This is interesting. So last year is a

1143
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: receiver lined up out why thirty six times? That was

1144
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: a career high. He lined up in the slot just

1145
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: eight times. He lined up in line forty nine times.

1146
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in line?

1147
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: Is that that like right behind the tackle thing?

1148
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he was standing up like he's not

1149
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: like Hannon the dirty line. It's like a wing position.

1150
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: But you could do that that, You could put him

1151
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: there and put Remandra in the backfield. That would work.

1152
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. They did that mostly, like I said, out empty,

1153
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: and the idea was to obviously run him through traffic

1154
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: and peaks and stuff like that and get him free

1155
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 2: on crossing routes. And he was pretty effective on those,

1156
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: Like he was able to catch the football a couple

1157
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: of times on third down and turn up field and

1158
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: get eight yards on third and seven like that type

1159
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: of stuff. He'd converted a couple of times that I

1160
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 2: remember seeing in some games. So I don't think he's

1161
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: He's not a pass catching back. It's not James White, right,

1162
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 2: He's not gonna come in here and catch sixty five passes.

1163
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: But I do think that he brings a little bit

1164
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: to the passing game, a little bit to the running game.

1165
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: Like I said, i'd sign him if but I wouldn't.

1166
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go out of my way to sign him.

1167
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: I would have gone out of my way to sign

1168
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: DeAndre exactly. Yeah, that's sort of how I feel about

1169
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: all right, let's talk about defense really quickly. A couple

1170
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: of defensive point I wanted to get to. The first

1171
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: one was Kyle Duger Ye, who's head. He's very good

1172
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: back to back days of interceptions. Now, I think he's

1173
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: had some really great coverage on the tight ends as well,

1174
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: just outside of the interceptions. The way that this looks

1175
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: to me and the way this sounds to me, I

1176
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: have never heard Bill Belichick. I shouldn't say never, but

1177
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: most of the time it's about a premium position, like

1178
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: when last year when he said, oh, let's wait and

1179
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: see what Lamark Jackson signs for.

1180
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1181
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick this morning said that players like Kyle Dugger

1182
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: go early in the draft and get paid a lot. Right,

1183
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: So the team season coming, the team knows that Kyle

1184
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: Dugger is going to be a big money contract type

1185
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 2: of guy. He's off to a great start in camp.

1186
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: It's two days, but he's off to a good start.

1187
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: This sounds and feels to me a lot like Jonathan

1188
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: Jones a few years ago, Shaq Mason a few years

1189
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: before that, have a good August, comes September first, we'll

1190
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: get an extension, right, And I think that if he

1191
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: continues to have a strong camp, I would almost I

1192
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 2: would put some money down that he's gonna get some

1193
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: money comes September. I think that they would make it

1194
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 2: work on an extension if he just goes out there

1195
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: and has a big month of August.

1196
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. Matt Gros said yesterday he was asked

1197
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: about just extensions in general, just the philosophy behind it,

1198
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: and he said that the tricky thing about extensions is

1199
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: you're working with an unknown you don't know the market

1200
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: because there's a whole season ahead both for the player

1201
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: and the team. Look, there's a number of different ways

1202
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: you can interpret that, but in the context of Kyle Duggar,

1203
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: his value is probably not going to go down because

1204
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: even if he has a blow, you know, below expectation season,

1205
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: which he's not going to, but even if he does,

1206
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: he still has two really strong years to point at

1207
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: and or three really strong years to point that and

1208
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: say this is the player I am. Whereas if he

1209
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 1: exceeds expectations, you're talking about it. It's not even about

1210
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: gauging the safety market. You're talking about a guy who's

1211
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: going to reset the safety market.

1212
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: I would say that it almost becomes like he almost

1213
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: becomes a defensive playmaker.

1214
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: It's like, I think you start getting into some some

1215
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: of that lower end top to lower end top tier

1216
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: is a bad way to put it, but like, yeah,

1217
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: lower number one cornerback money. Yeah yeah. So they I

1218
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: think they know, like his value is only gonna go up,

1219
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: or it's not only go to go up, but it's

1220
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: not gonna go down, right, his value is not going

1221
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: to go down at this point. So if they want

1222
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: to sign him, it's gonna be cheaper to sign him now.

1223
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: And there is a little bit of risk of course

1224
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: that comes with that, but with anybody, you take the

1225
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: risk that comes with that now rather than trying to

1226
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: sit down with him in March after he's had you know,

1227
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: some people think he could be an All Pro this

1228
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: year after he's had a borderline all Pro season. When

1229
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: he has all of these, you know, his agent's gonna

1230
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: go to a combine. He's gonna talk to people see

1231
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: what the value is when he has all these pencil

1232
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: off for sitting there, it's gonna be a lot easier

1233
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: to talk to him then, or a lot harder to

1234
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: talk to him then. So yeah, I mean, I think

1235
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense for them to get

1236
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: the deep sign. Now these in house and free agents

1237
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: come to market, We've seen that it gets, it gets pricey.

1238
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: J C. Jackson I think immediately priced himself out of

1239
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: New England when he hit the market. Joe Toney priced

1240
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: himself out of the New England and when he hit

1241
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: the open market. So again, I think that this is

1242
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: one of those things where and I honestly wouldn't be

1243
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: totally shocked if the Patriots actually said this. The Kyle

1244
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: Duggar coming into training camp like show out in camp

1245
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: have have this strong summer and we'll we'll talk again

1246
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: and they have that.

1247
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: Well we know they're already talking to guy because josh

1248
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: Ucha said today that his team has talked to the

1249
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: Patriots about an extension, Like and that could just be, hey, extension,

1250
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: all right, we can we can chat like it could

1251
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: be just setting up the talk, but like it's on

1252
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: their minds.

1253
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So Kyle Duger good football player. Yes, first impressions

1254
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: of Christian gonzales.

1255
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: Ca can play, can play, I said when we did

1256
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: our training camp previous show. And I think for him,

1257
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty comfortable, definitely more so than most

1258
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: rookies in terms of where he's at as a player. Individually.

1259
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: It's just a little for any guy coming in for

1260
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: a first overall pick, coming in any position, there's little

1261
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: nuances to the NFL game that players have to pick up,

1262
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: and as good as you are, sometimes that can take

1263
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. So for me watching him, it's all right.

1264
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: Is how long is the learning curve going to be

1265
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: until we're really talking about him? Is like locked in

1266
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: as an NFL player? Is it going to be the

1267
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: season is going to be a couple of months? Is

1268
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: it going to be you know by the end of camp,

1269
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: is he just going to come in and kind of

1270
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: get hit the ground role in the first few days

1271
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: and with the red zone work, it's tough to get

1272
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: a full picture of that. But like he there haven't

1273
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: There hasn't been once that I've looked, and again it's

1274
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: very limited sample size, but I know there's been one

1275
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: play and I've watched him quite a bit. Yeah that

1276
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: I've watched him and said, a rookie mistake. All right,

1277
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: he's got to figure that out. Like he's he's for

1278
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: and for a young guy too. They generally draft guys

1279
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: that are twenty three, twenty four years old. For a

1280
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: kid who just turned twenty one, he is a very

1281
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: mature player, and that's very exciting to see.

1282
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a great grasp of what they're doing. Defensively. Yeah,

1283
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: he's gotten beat a few times. He's a corner, he's

1284
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: gonna get beat. Yeah, that's the nature of the position.

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00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: He's gotten beat a few times. But all of it

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00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: is more I personally think, just physical. He'll get there

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00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: in terms of his ability to stay glue to guys

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00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: at the top of routes and anticipate things like that.

1289
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: As he matures and as he sees more reps in

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00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: the NFL. But what I'm really optimistic about is how

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00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: tied into what they're doing defensively from a schematic perspective,

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00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: he knows how to play to his leverage. You see

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00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: him in man coverage like sitting on the correct hip

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00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: at the receiver because he knows he's got the help inside.

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00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: You know, you see him walling off the routes that

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00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: he needs to be worried about, and not worried about

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: the routes worried the help is. That's something that a

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00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: lot of great corners, if you watch them play, That's

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00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: what makes them able to make so many great plays

1300
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: and suffocate receivers is that they know their leverage, they

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00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 2: know their assignment. And I think that he has a

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01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: really good grasp what they do. And he ran that

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01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: you know that switch that banjo with Miles Bryant yesterday

1304
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: where you know there was his receiver broke outside, Miles

1305
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: Bryant's receiver broke inside, and they just passed it off seamlessly.

1306
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: You know, those are the types of the high IQ plays,

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01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: and they had advanced kind of understanding and feel an

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01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: instinct for coverage. That is really really optimistic. I think

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01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: that he's he's as far along as a Patriots rookie,

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01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: like he's going to be a Day one outside corner.

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01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: He's gonna start Day one at outside corner against the

1312
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: Eagles in Week one, Like I don't have any hesitant.

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01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't really know the last time

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01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: they had a rookie where it felt like A that

1315
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: was gonna happen and B it should have like no

1316
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: offense to cold Strange, But Cole Strange was put in

1317
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: it as a starting left guard last year because they

1318
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: had nobody else to play there. Right, they have some

1319
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: other corners that theoretically could play over Christian Gonzalez Gonzales

1320
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: if it wasn't going well, and I don't think that

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01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: that's really going to be the case.

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01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: Really quickly, a little NFL breaking news real quick. Sure,

1323
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was carted off practice, know if his ankle

1324
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: or calf, but oh boy and INSINCENTI and I saw

1325
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: some people so unfortunate reality of camp.

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01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, really quickly as well, not just football wise, Jack Jones,

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01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: the fallout there definitely have seen him demoted to second

1328
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: team reps with in the secondary. So it's really gonna

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01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,479
Speaker 2: be at least for right now, until Jack Jones's legal

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01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: situation works itself out or doesn't. It's gonna be Christian

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: Gonzales and Jonathan Jones on the outside, and then it's

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: Miles Brian versus Marcus Jones for the slot role. How

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: do you feel about that? I really think that that's

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: still a really good group. I mean, obviously it's better

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01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: with with Jack and with Jonathan Jones back inside in

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: the slot, But I still think that that's a really

1337
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: strong group. And I think Jonathan Jones showed us last year. Okay,

1338
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: maybe he's not gonna be shadowing Justin Jefferson Stefan Diggs,

1339
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: Like you did need a little bit better player, and

1340
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: that's why Christian Gonzalez is here. But I still think

1341
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: he can play outside corner and I'm not like too

1342
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: concerned about him being outside again.

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01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, my question with Jack Jones is, you know, are

1344
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: they preparing for a potential suspension or something, or do

1345
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: they think that this is the best group they have,

1346
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: or like why is he getting fewer reps? I don't know.

1347
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: We're just not gonna know, and I don't think they

1348
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: does ask them but.

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01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 2: I think it has to be that they are preparing

1350
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: for not having him, whether it's a suspension, whether it's

1351
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: team mandated where they just say, until your legal situation

1352
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: saw resolves itself, we're not going to put you out there.

1353
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: Whatever the case may be, whatever the reasoning is, I'm

1354
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: not going to speculate, but I think that they are

1355
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: looking at it like we cannot get this defense ready

1356
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: by in rely on the fact that we're going to

1357
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: have Jack Jones out there and have him be a

1358
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: part of the nucleus of the defense and then get

1359
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: him stripped away and then you're in trouble. And now

1360
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: you're getting Jonathan Jones or Jalen Mills or someone like

1361
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: that ready to play corner. Like a week out, you know,

1362
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: Philly's coming on the bus and you're you're you're just

1363
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: starting to get those guys ready, like you don't want

1364
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: that to happen. So that that's a synopsis of the

1365
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 2: first two days of Patriots training camp. We'll be back

1366
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: next week on Thursday, probably around the same time. Three

1367
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: o'clock is about when we can the dust settles for

1368
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: us and we can get on the air. So around

1369
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 2: three o'clock next Thursday to break down another what will

1370
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: hopefully be a couple of padded practices at that point

1371
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: and we can really get in to the nitty gritty

1372
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: of training camp. But it's been a fun couple of days.

1373
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: It's good to see the team back out there, good

1374
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 2: to have some things to talk about. And we will

1375
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: definitely continue to monitor the Dalvin Cook situation. I think

1376
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: that that could heat up a little bit as well.

1377
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: I would think by the time we do the show

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01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: next week we have a resolution.

1379
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 2: Are you ready for another sweepstakes? Like DeAndre Hopkins, you.

1380
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: Feel to do it, Let's do it.

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01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 2: Let's do it all right? So until then, signing off

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01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: for Alex Barth Marine Behind the Glass, I'm Evan Lazar.

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01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening, Thanks so much for watching,

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01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: and we'll see you guys next week.

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01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,640
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1386
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