1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Guys, we are back normally, so we're normal from it's weird. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm her copying. I'm Carol Markowitz. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: The news continues to be weird, continues to be weird. 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: It just does not stop with the weirdness. But we're 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: not going to get into any topics we don't want 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: to talk about today. Although the news remains Epstein wall 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: to wall, I'm watching so many people fall down rabbit holes, 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: and on the flip side of it, every time one 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: of my friends who I trust otherwise posts something about Epstein, 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: I end up googling because I'm like, well, this can't 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: be right, And a lot of times it's not right 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: because it's like innuendo and questionable commentary. But we're going 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: to overall stay on the Epstein story. But we're not 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: going to talk about it every episode episode. 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I think that is wise. 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: We are wise. We are wise. 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: We do want to talk about broken promises in New 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: York City already. 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no money tree in the backyard of 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: New York City. 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Turns out free buses aren't free. 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: It's so weird, like I want everything else that's supposed 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: to be free. How come that's the free? 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Can we get the Dully parton Imagination Library to do 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Basic Economics by Thomas so Well to every politician in 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: the country, because that really good idea. Actually that maybe 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: that's my library. I will just send a copy of 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: Basic Economics to every man legislator in the country. 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: I mean donate use Mary Catherine's imaginary library. 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: No imaginary Catherine's Financial International Library, financial literacy, imagination library. 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Us on that one though. 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll workshop it. Yeah, it would be useful, except 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: nobody would read it. I'd have to read it aloud 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: and send them a podcast, right, I could do that too. Yeah. 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: So up in New York, Zornmmdani was trying to get 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: Kathy Hockel, the Governor of New York, to raise a 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: bunch of taxes so that he could pay for his 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: free stuff. 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: Right. 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: He wants to go to everyone in New York, and 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: she's like, nah, bro, I'm not I'm not sure I'm. 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: Going to do that, right, and I have an election 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: coming up? 44 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: Why would I do that? High earners who they want 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: to tax more even though they pay a substantial majority 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: percentage of taxes in New York. They're like, no, you 47 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, right, So mom. Donnie's like, well, what 48 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: else can I do? Now? It's going to fall in 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: the middle class. So here he is announcing this ultimatum 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: to New York City. Just what are we a month 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: into this experiment? Here we go take it away, Zorn. 52 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: At the heart of this path is a property tax increase. 53 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: This would effectively be a tax on working in middle 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: class New Yorkers who have a median income of one 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two thousand dollars. The second path also 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: requires us to raid our reserves. It would mean with 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: drawing nine hundred and eighty million dollars from our city's 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: Rainy Day Fund in fiscal year twenty twenty six and 59 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty nine million dollars from the Retiree 60 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: Health Benefit Trust in fiscal year twenty twenty seven. These 61 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: are steps that have been taken before, but only in 62 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: moments of extraordinary external crisis. Mayor Bloomberg's response the two 63 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: thousand and eight financial collapse and Mayor Deblasio's response to 64 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: the enormous revenue shortfall caused by the pandemic. We do 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: not want to have to turn to such drastic measures 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: to balance our budget. 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Can I say? Something you are the extraordinary crisis. 68 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, new York elected a socialist and cause an extraordinary crisis. 69 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: Where's where's this lack of funds coming from. It's because 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: you're one to send everything out the door, and New 71 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: York has never been particularly fiscally responsible to begin with. Yeah, 72 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: a couple people flagged, for instance, that forty percent of 73 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty seven billion that is in 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: the budget is fifty billion for the Department of Education. 75 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: This despite enrollment falling I think ten percent over the 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: last couple of years. 77 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: Just more money, more money, more money. Yeah, and it 78 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: makes no sense. So I think the same person you're quoting. 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: We got to find out who that is to give 80 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: them some credit. But they said that New York City's 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: budget is the same. Oh it's Ian Miller. He's still great. 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: He said, New York City's budget is bigger than Florida's, 83 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: and forty percent of it is going to the Department 84 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: of Education, even though enrollment fell. 85 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: Also, let's talk about the fact that New York's budget 86 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: is bigger than Florida. Right, that's a big deal. 87 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: I mean Florida's, you know, twenty plus million people and 88 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: New York city is seven and a half million. Why 89 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: can't you guys make it happen? 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: Also, Jordan Weisman reports that New York is expected to 91 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 1: spend forty two k per student in public schools. DC, 92 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: for perspective, spends twenty five to twenty six per student. 93 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: And we were already like in the upper echelons of spending. 94 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: Just for a moment, imagine what that could buy you 95 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: in a private school education. 96 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: Right, it's unbelievable. Florida actually spends around ten thousand a student. 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: So you can make it happen. And I've been, and 98 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: you can learn. 99 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, can I also learn on top of it? 100 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I've been in that New York City public school system. 101 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: It has it ties and lows. I'll tell you that 102 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, not sure it's worth thirty plus thousand dollars. 103 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: But so is this political jiu jitsu here where he 104 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: has a d chess plan that I don't see, where 105 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: he's going to charm everyone into giving him the money 106 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: he needs from elsewhere, and he's going to blame hocal 107 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: or he just thinks it's costless to impose this thing. 108 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: Because he sounds like the villain in this case. 109 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's because he's blaming someone else, but he's 110 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: going to be the one doing it. 111 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: He's like, don't force me to do this, but you're 112 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: forcing yourself by not making other decisions. 113 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe some spending cuts would be better. There's also 114 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people who point to the fact that 115 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: the budget shortfall matches exactly the amount that previous mayor 116 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: Eric Adams said it was going to cost to house 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: and support all the illegal immigrants they came in over 118 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: the last five years or so. So it's not a 119 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: surprise here it is here. Eric Adams said we can't 120 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: pay for this, this is going to be the budget shortfall, 121 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: and that budget shortfall is here. And I don't like 122 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: to give Eric Adams credit for that, because he was 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: hoping that the federal government would fill in that shortfall 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: and they didn't. And he never said let's stop this 125 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: illegal immigration to New York City. He just said, can 126 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: somebody help me pay for it please? And now he's 127 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: getting the blame for the shortfall that he told everybody 128 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: was coming. 129 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I just they always are looking for the bailout, right, 130 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: And I think the object for many liberal cities is 131 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: to run themselves into a ditch so far that there 132 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: is no way to grow yourself out of it or 133 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: to tax yourself out of it. And then they go, well, 134 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: let's just wait till democrats are in charge of the 135 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: federal government and then we'll have them mail us out. 136 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: That's the plan. 137 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the explicit plan, Although some people are fighting back. 138 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: In New York, Queen's Borough President Donovan Richards Junior says, 139 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: as I told Maryam Donnie this afternoon, a property tax 140 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: hike upwards of nine point five percent as considered as 141 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: a non starter under new circumstances. Should we consider balancing 142 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: our budget on the backs of working class New Yorkers, 143 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: especially seniors on fixed incomes and public sector workers who 144 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: keep our city running. So that's a lot of constituencies 145 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: jammed into that. 146 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: H oh yeah. 147 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: But by the way, wouldn't this robbing the piggybank of 148 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: pensions be on the backs of public employee union who 149 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: are one of his biggest supporters. 150 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: He's not doing this. That's where this comes down to. 151 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: You know, he's saying it, but he's not doing it. 152 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: I feel like it's bad to have yourself on video 153 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: saying this. But again, he has what I called with Obama. 154 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, Obama's not my cup of tea, but he 155 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: had a charisma cushion, which means you can get away 156 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: with some stuff. 157 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: I mean, not to mention the mainstream media and never 158 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: asking any tough questions or challenging you at all, and 159 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: com a theme on this show, loving you so so much. 160 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but this does seem like we're being set up 161 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: to pay for this eventually, Carol. 162 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why you can't elect Democrats. I mean, 163 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: their policies don't work. They don't they just do not work. 164 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: And now we're having this kind of reckoning where people are. 165 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: You know, Barack Obama is looking at California and being like, 166 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: you know, people don't really like tense cities of homeless people. Yeah, 167 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: this is your party, dude, This is where we are 168 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: because of your leadership. And you know, the idea that 169 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: the Democrats keep discovering that their policies are abject failures 170 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: and maybe they could just rename it every few years, 171 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: like eventually we just need to face facts that their 172 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: ideas are horrible and they don't work, and not saying 173 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: every one of our ideas is great, but they're better 174 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: than those ideas. 175 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: But I do think there is a need, as I 176 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: mentioned about basic economics, to basic economics get that some 177 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: of the things you think you're doing to help people 178 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: do not actually help them and indeed hurt them. A 179 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: couple of examples in Seattle, the gig worker law was 180 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: supposed to change life for Uber Eats drivers and door 181 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: dash drivers, and what it ended up doing was nothing 182 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: like that. A National Bureau of Economic Research study confirmed 183 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: and this is Joe Wallen tweeting this from partly from 184 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: an NPR report out in Seattle, so you know, not 185 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: exactly a right leaning bias. The NBER study confirmed what 186 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: the numbers already showed. Higher per delivery pay was completely 187 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: offset by fewer deliveries and lower tips. Active drivers saw 188 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: on zero net gain in monthly earnings. The local NPR 189 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: outlet reported this week that two years in, the results 190 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: are undeniable. Seattle is now the most expensive delivery market 191 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: in the country. Denver, Portland, and San Francisco cities without 192 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: these laws, saw delivery revenue grow twenty to forty percent. 193 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Seattle stagnated. This is because they jacked up delivery driver 194 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: pay to twenty six forty an hour, which meant everyone 195 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going to pay eighty seven fifty 196 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: for a delivery, yeah, topo plate. 197 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: But they made the minimum wage twenty six dollars. How 198 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: people didn't want to pay that. 199 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: It's just so obvious that these things have second order 200 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: effects that democrats never think about, even though they've been 201 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: studied over and over again. Virginia Democrats this week are 202 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: hiking the minimum wage here to I believe it's a 203 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 1: fourteen something in the beginning, and then fifteen in a 204 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: couple of years. And it will do what it does everywhere, 205 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: which is cut down on job opportunities for low skilled workers, 206 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: for young workers who might want to get a job 207 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: and then move up. It will not make things more affordable, 208 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: which is how they're touting it. It will just all 209 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: the costs will get passed on to us or every 210 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: single person that you wanted to have a job is 211 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: now going to be a kiosk. 212 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: Sorry, right right, that's really the thing that they're the 213 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: minimum wage as actually zero, and that's what they're going 214 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: to be paying the automated services that take over these jobs. 215 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: And it's going to be some unnamed rich person's fault 216 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: when that happens. But this is dealing with children. It's 217 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: like they're just like, but why don't we just make 218 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: the minimum wage of million dollars? It makes no sense 219 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: and it doesn't work, and it's long past the time 220 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: for them to know that. I you know, obviously rave 221 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: about Florida a lot on this show. But here are 222 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: some major corporations and this is my friend Jordan Shack 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: to compile this on Twitter that have relocated or expanded 224 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: to Florida recently, Amazon palents here in videos, Citadel Service now, 225 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: aren't invest Wave, Quantum and Vs. And Florida, he writes, 226 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: is now home to Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Sir Gabrin, Peter Thiel, 227 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: David Sachs, Jeff Bezos, Ken Griffin, et cetera. And Jordan 228 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: adds the free state of Florida is one giant boomtown. 229 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: It's really not an unforeseen consequence of the blue state 230 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: policies that don't function and don't keep capital there, and 231 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: they certainly don't keep jobs there. Because people want to 232 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 2: live somewhere that they could have normal, functioning governance. That's 233 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: what they're looking for. They're not looking for a right 234 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: wing paradise, They're looking for normal. 235 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: I saw by the way, and it was somewhat encouraging 236 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: that at least one person got mad enough at the 237 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: DC mayor about snow removal that she's going to run 238 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: for mayor against the incumbent mayor. And I thought, oh 239 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: my gosh, someone actually got mad enough. Someone did it 240 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Could it be the poop field 241 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: filled river that over the edge? Perhaps? 242 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll see how that one turns out. Hopefully, 243 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: when that person runs for office, they don't realize that 244 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 2: they have to tell people that they want to make 245 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: minimum wage twenty nine dollars and they stick to those principles, 246 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: it won't go well. 247 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: Stir them all go well. 248 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, had this great 249 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: story a long time ago when he was thinking about 250 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: running for mayor, and I'm talking like twenty five years ago, 251 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: that he was in the elevator of a Manhattan building 252 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 2: with a little old lady and she said, oh, are 253 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: you Rich Lowry? And he said I am. And she said, 254 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: aren't you thinking of running for mayor? And he said, yes, 255 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 2: I am. And she said, but you're going to support 256 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: rent control, right, And he was like, I couldn't tell 257 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: her no. In the elevator. So that's when I realized 258 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: I could not run for mayor. 259 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to tell people what they don't want 260 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: to hear. 261 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: Sometimes that's a little old lady in the elevator when 262 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: you haven't decided to run yet. Is the is the problem? 263 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: So yes, all right, We're going to take short break 264 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 2: and come right back with some television news. 265 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: Be right back. 266 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: We are back with more on Normally where a completely 267 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: made up, fake scandal is developing right now on X 268 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: and on your TV screens where Stephen Colbert, the host 269 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: of The Late Show, which has been canceled but he's 270 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: still on, leading to an angry bitter man being on 271 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: the television as a coality host ha ha ha. Anyway, 272 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: he planned to broadcast an interview with James tell Erico. 273 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: Now CBS, the network that airs the Late Show, pulled 274 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: this interview from its Monday night broadcast. They say that 275 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: their lawyers warned that if they aired that interview, it 276 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: would trigger the FCC's equal time rule, which requires broadcasters 277 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: to offer comparable air time to all the candidates in 278 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: a race. 279 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: To Hilaire says, right as the race is happening, which 280 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: is what's happening in Texas right now? 281 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: Right Colbert says he was told he couldn't air the interview, 282 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: and he even wasn't supposed to mention it on the air, 283 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: but he addressed it in public because he's just so 284 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: brave that way. 285 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: You know. 286 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: He is saying that CBS bowed to political pressure and 287 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: censored this interview, which is kind of ridiculous because the 288 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: person that would be not gaining the benefit of this 289 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: equal time is Jasmine Crockett, another Democrat. So it's not 290 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: like CBS heard from Donald Trump, which is what the 291 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: implication is, and was like, you need to get this 292 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: democrat off the air. No, there the problem is he 293 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: needed to give equal airtime to the other Democrat in 294 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: the race. And you know, the idea that this was 295 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: a banned interview is absolutely ridiculous. But Colbert is absolutely ridiculous, 296 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: and he has just become a political actress. Maybe he 297 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: was always a political activit, he was never a comedian. 298 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: And I hope that he gets to go follow his 299 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: real passion when the show is over. 300 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: I really do think there will be a never ending 301 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: stream of democratic fundraisers that he can m see. I 302 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: think that is his future. That's already what he's doing, right, 303 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: and not just on TV, but actually outside of that 304 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: as well. And this thing. I took like twelve to 305 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: eighteen hours on this thing before I decided how I 306 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: felt about it, because I was like, oh, if the 307 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: SEC did do this, like it does feel heavy handed, 308 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: and then it's like no, it all comes out that 309 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: CBS was like, we gave him a couple of options 310 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: for a leaks that we thought we could do this. 311 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: And I think somewhat cleverly, Colbert paints himself as this 312 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: brave truth teller. 313 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's just a free speech warrior. Mary Catherine laps. 314 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: The tall Rico interview onto YouTube. There's a bunch of 315 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: attention to it, giving tall Rico a bunch of donations 316 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: and attention right as this primary is kicking off, which 317 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: disadvantages Jasmine Crack, which is what I think establishment democrats 318 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: of want to do. Yeah, of whom he is one 319 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: want to do because Crockett is more of a liability 320 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: in a general election than tall Rico is. I don't 321 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: think either one of them is winning Texas. Yeah, but 322 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: she is a tougher cell than tell Rico, who at 323 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: least is like I'm a preacher. I stand in the 324 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: back of a pickup, right, Yeah, And she now has 325 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: come out and said, yeah, the administration didn't ban this. Now, 326 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: she's not the most reliable narrator either. 327 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: No, she certainly is not. 328 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: It just seem to me like this was a ginned 329 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: up thing. 330 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing is that you're absolutely right in 331 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: that they want to stop Jasmine Crockett, and this is 332 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: sort of the way to do that. Outlets like Vox, 333 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: for example, are covering this as if it were the 334 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: Trump administration stepping in and saying, no, you can't have 335 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: this interview happen, which again is not at all what 336 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: is happening here. And I think that they like this. 337 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: They wanted to be a story of the democrats in 338 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 2: Texas are really putting up a fight against that Donald Trump. 339 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: It's like, it's not at all what it's about now. 340 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: And we shall see what comes of this. But I 341 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: do think it's it's instructional for everyone who consumes modern 342 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: media to watch that story Unfeld and go, wait a second, 343 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: this is not at all what was presented to be 344 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: in the first hour of this story. Twelve twenty four 345 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: hours later. 346 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: But they're not going to correct this. So like the 347 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: Vox story, which you know, Vox bills itself as like 348 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: they explain our website, They explained things to you. One 349 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: time they explained that there was a bridge from Gaza 350 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 2: to the West Bank and no such bridge. A classic, 351 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: but a classic of the thank you so much for 352 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: letting us in on that information. But here is like, 353 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: what's the context? President Donald Trump is long headed out 354 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: for America's late night hosts, most notably as administration intervened 355 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: last year to briefly force the comedian Jimmy Kimmel, who 356 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: hosts a c Jimmy Kimmel Liive off the air for 357 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: Kimmel's comments regarding the shooting death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Sidebar. 358 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: Kimmel lied about the shooting death about Charlie Kirk. It 359 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: wasn't that they didn't like what he was saying. He 360 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: was actually lying. But also Trump celebrated TBS's decision last 361 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: year to cancel Colbert's Late Show. And why does it matter, 362 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: Vox says the FEC's newfound passion for equal time rules. 363 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: Is it transparently partisan? Again? Not at all? What happened 364 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: here it's just wrong. Get that you want to be partisan. 365 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: I get that you want to have a position thought, 366 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: you want to be right. I hate being wrong. 367 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: I know, Well, this is the thing that gets me. 368 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: And I'm going slightly on a tangent here, but this 369 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: is the thing that gets me about reporting about shooters 370 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: or criminals who happened to be trans. Just tell me 371 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: the truth. Tell me the truth. Don't tell me that 372 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: two women shot up public spaces this week because two 373 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: women did not. Yeah, right, that's not what happened. So 374 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: I need to know what actually happened. And sometimes, in 375 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: this modern need it's very hard to get to the 376 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: bottom of it, very. 377 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 2: Like two different articles about the trans shooter didn't in 378 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: a Rhode Island didn't mention that the person was trans 379 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: and instead said that he had two names. 380 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: Like, what is that interesting? A person with two names? 381 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, CNN, they are not doing too hot. I will 382 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: reduce some stats. Greg Price on Twitter writes absolutely hysterical 383 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: that reruns of Hannity at two am are now getting 384 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: more viewers than every single show on CNN. At what 385 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: point do they hang it up? At what point is 386 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: there no more CNN? Because these numbers are embarrassing. I 387 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 2: mean ms NOW, which is what MSNBC is now called 388 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: now Now, is doing far better than CNN, and it 389 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: really I guess people really want the insane lunatic asylum 390 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: that MSNBC is and has been, and CNN is just 391 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: not cutting it. I don't understand what they can do 392 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: to make their situation better because they are just disliked overall. 393 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a problem of all major media coverage, right, 394 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: as if you tailor yourself to the far side of 395 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: each ideological end, you'll get a lot of clicks, right, 396 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: And CNN did try that for years. Washington Post did 397 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: try that for years to the left right, and it 398 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: they couldn't hang on once the Biden administration came along 399 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: because then it was like, well, who do we fight Now? 400 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: We like this guy, We're going to cover up for 401 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: this guy. And it just doesn't bring you the same 402 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: kind of hate clicks as you used to get, particularly 403 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: when you're in competition with ms NOW. Who's going to 404 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: be more hate clickie? I guess right, I. 405 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: Mean Fox is just eating everybody's lunch, continues to and 406 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: I have to say, like, you know, for all the 407 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: like people like to be in their silos, and I 408 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: know that they do that. The top show is The Five, 409 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: which is a lighter show and not so much tearing 410 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: into the other side, and I just think it's not 411 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 2: quite the super right wingy show that people might expect. 412 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: Number two is Jesse Waters, which is more like that. 413 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like he does it with a smile, 414 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: but still. And then number three is Gutfeld comedy show basically, 415 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: and number four is Special Report with Brett Bhaer, which 416 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: is straight news. 417 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: So for the Five's part, Jessica Tarlov gives as good 418 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: as she gets. Oh yeah, on that panel, she's very 419 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: prepared and she will go to war. So she puts 420 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: in the work for the other side of those arguments. 421 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, all right. Also in television news, Mehdi 422 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: Hassan one of the just the most. I just dislike 423 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 2: him very very much. I just find him to be 424 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: not only not great at his job, but also just 425 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: says crazy things. During the pandemic, he said, you know, 426 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: we have to basically mask forever, and who cares what 427 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: these conservatives say? Put the kids back in masks. And 428 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: he said also like we have to pack the Supreme 429 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 2: Court and just he says very outlandish things, and then 430 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: it's kind of taken seriously, which I don't think he 431 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: should be. But anyway, he was interviewing Jennifer Welch, who's 432 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: another person I just don't think should be taken seriously 433 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: at all. She's insane, anti a Trump leftist who has 434 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: become popular. Anyway, they start. 435 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: She's a reality show star turned an interior decorator turned 436 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: podcaster who they think is the lib Joe Rogan. Although 437 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: we've always pointed out Joe Rogan was a man of 438 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: the West. 439 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: Joe Rogan continues to be the lib Joe Rogan. 440 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: Yes, she's just. 441 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: So angry and nasty. But they medi has Son and 442 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: Jennifer Welch, who, by the way, her face does not 443 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: move at all. They go into why does Scott Jennings 444 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: have such an annoying face? Like, ma'am sir, both of you, no, really, 445 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: and then they talk about masculinity and how people talk 446 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: about masculinity a lot, and Meddie Hassan calls Scott Jennings 447 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: the most loathsome man on cable news. Scott Jennings, Scott 448 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: Jennings is the most loathsome man on cable news. I 449 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: couldn't help myself. I said, you're mad because you're not 450 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: a man and also not on cable news. 451 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just there's I know there's a market for this. 452 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: I know there's a market for just being mean to people. 453 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: And also it is telling with people left of center 454 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: how allergic they are to one person effectively countering their messages. 455 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: They flip out. And I used to get this when 456 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: I was on CNN panel. So it'll be nine people 457 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: on the panel who disagree with me. Yeah, and dare 458 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: people would tweet me like how dare how dare you exist? 459 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: Is like how dare you exist? Why would they allow 460 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: you to speak? I want to hear ten people who 461 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: agree with me. Yeah, yeah, they have some problems. 462 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: If these are your you know, superstars, good luck with that. 463 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 2: The left, I find them both deeply unlikable and I 464 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: do not think they will be appealing to the middle. Again, 465 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: the people I named on Fox, they might you might 466 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: not agree with them, you might find them too far right. Whatever, 467 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: They're all doing it with a smile. They're not talking 468 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: about how annoying somebody's face is. On the opposite side, well, 469 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: Gutfeld might occasionally well, okay, fine, that's comedy. All right, 470 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: We'll take a short break and come back with some 471 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: more Virginia redistricting. It's not going so great over there, 472 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: be right back. 473 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: Oh right, who's ready for some more redistricting news. This 474 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: is important, of course, because a bunch of states are 475 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: trying to redistrict to add to the numbers of various 476 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: parties before the twenty twenty six election. So all of 477 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: these lawsuits and all this redistricting is happening as we speak. 478 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: In some states, you might know which district you're in 479 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: or who's running for it until much later into twenty 480 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: twenty six. Virginia has become one of those states, they 481 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: claim in retaliation for Texas's mid decade redistricting. Now, Republicans 482 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: had a sort of rationale for their redistricting, which was 483 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: the census robbed a bunch of red states and districts 484 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: and population in twenty twenty when it was run badly, 485 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: Democrats were awarded seats they should not have gotten. So 486 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: we're going to do a little correction on this and 487 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: redistrict So Texas does that, and then a bunch of 488 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: lefty states who I underestimated and thought they had gone 489 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: as far as they could, and they had not, and 490 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: so California was like, oh no, we'll do more. So 491 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: California does more for Democrats to try to rebalance this 492 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: situation and take back their advantage. And then Virginia in 493 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, it's quote unquote moderate governor Democrat Abigail Spamberger, 494 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: and both of the houses of the Legislature are now 495 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: run by Democrats. So they say, you know what, this 496 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: five to six split of congressional districts between Republicans and 497 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: Democrats here not working for us. What we would like 498 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: is ten one, like ten to one, ten Democrats to 499 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: one Republican for a state that is basically a slightly 500 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: bluer than red state. And the way they're doing this 501 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: is drawing a bunch of districts that snake out of 502 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: northern Virginia, where there's a ton of blue population and 503 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: into more rural areas. So basically, everybody who wants to 504 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: be a congressman can live up in northern Virginia in 505 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: the DC area, never leave and keep winning those congressional 506 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: districts because they never have to like talk to the 507 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: central Virginia or rural Virginia. You know, Republicans real flat 508 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: footed on this. Yeah, there was a lawsuit. It went 509 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: to the Virginia Supreme Court, and the Virginia Supreme Court 510 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: was like, even though Democrats broke a bunch of rules 511 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: to get this thing on the ballot, we're not going 512 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: to rule on the merits until after you guys vote. 513 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 2: Isn't there like a whole concern among Democrats that the 514 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: Texas redistricting was an affront to democracy. 515 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's not an issue anymore, because this 516 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: is this is. 517 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: The good german I see, I see right, when. 518 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: You do the good gerrymandering, you can break all the 519 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: rules and violate the Virginia State Constitution temporarily to get 520 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,239 Speaker 1: yourself a bunch of new seats. So they didn't give 521 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: people enough notice that this was happening. That's on purpose. 522 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: So energized Democrat activists will go out and vote. No 523 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: one else will. It's going to be on the ballot 524 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: and like starts voting on March six, vote no, by 525 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: the way, by April twenty first, and it turns out 526 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: that a bunch of people in Virginia legislature wrote themselves 527 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: their own districts. 528 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: Nice. 529 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the new York Times for you for democracy. 530 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: They actually were naming them for these people, like quite 531 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: openly in the discussions, like Mary Cactine's district. No, they weren't. 532 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: They were like, so this will be Dan Helmer's district, 533 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: and this will be Shannon Taylor's district. And even some 534 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Democrats in Virginia were like, ah, we probably shouldn't be 535 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: referring to them like that. Well, The New York Times 536 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: has caught up and says huh, an architect of Virginia's 537 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: aggressive redistricting scheme, will announce on Wednesday that he intends 538 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: to run for one of the newly drawn Democratic seats himself. 539 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: Dan Helmer, a four term state delegate who played a 540 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: key behind the scenes role in last October's surprise move 541 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: to redraw Virginia's congressional maps, is entering the race for 542 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: the lobster shaped seventh congressional district, the lobsters shaped that 543 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: they all created for him. It's quite an audacious thing 544 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: they're doing here, and Democrats are very excited and they're 545 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: probably excited to go vote, and Republicans are not as 546 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: engaged right now. Although there is an effort to counter this. 547 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: I do think It helps that The New York Times 548 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: is noticing how obviously backroom deal corrupt, right like when 549 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: you name the districts after people. 550 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's not democracy. Maybe do you think this 551 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: is ultimately to push Republican voters out of the state, 552 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: Because I mean, my thought, of course is are you 553 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: staying Mary Catherine? 554 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: Are you I don't know it. Look, I was already 555 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: basically disenfranchised by living in this area to begin with. 556 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: But I do think truly the people who live in 557 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: central and southern and southwestern Virginia and over in western 558 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: Virginia north towards West Virginia deserve congressional leaders who have 559 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: to occasionally leave northern Virginia. The idea that you would 560 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 1: never be able to you don't have to do that 561 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: to win is bad. The idea that you would split 562 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: these very very similar districts into five congressional districts, yeah, 563 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: is wild to me. But look, jerrymandering is never pretty. 564 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: It's rarely noble. I don't think it's ever been noble. 565 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: It's part of the game, and they're playing to win 566 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: here and they're playing in some real shady ways. But 567 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: I do appreciate the New York Times occasionally telling the 568 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: truth about. 569 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: It, very very occasionally. 570 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: But one more Virginia point for you and for media bias. 571 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: The New York Times had a profile on Abigail Spamberger 572 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: the other day, and of course it didn't have anything 573 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: like really tough in it or any tough questions for her, 574 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: but it did have a quote and some like really 575 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: glorified coverage of her CIA stent because she was an 576 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: intel operative. And one of the quotes where she illustrated 577 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: how awesome she was at this job is that she says, well, 578 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: when you talk to somebody, you want to seem trustworthy. 579 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: And I thought team, huh, that's a there's a politician 580 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: for you, strategically seeming trustworthy. Yeah, thanks, com Patty. 581 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: Be trustworthy, but okay, we'll take it. 582 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 583 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for joining us on normally Normally airs 584 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get 585 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: your podcasts. Get in touch with us at normally theepod 586 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. 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