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Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 1: and speaker.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer,

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Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love

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Speaker 2: our careers and our families.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about

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Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

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Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals.

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Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This

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Speaker 1: episode is airing in early June of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking some of our favorite productivity hacks.

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Speaker 1: We'll also be doing a brief AI discussion that seems

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Speaker 1: obligatory these days, So Sarah, we first, we'll start with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of highlights from May, which was a

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Speaker 1: bit of a full month for both of us that,

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Speaker 1: as often is, tell us a little bit about Mira

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Speaker 1: of all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think I had mentioned on a prior

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Speaker 2: episode that Josh and I decided to do a little

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Speaker 2: couple's only twentieth anniversary celebration, and I had gotten a

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Speaker 2: bug in my ear to check out Mirror of All,

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Speaker 2: which is one of those all inclusive kind of spa

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Speaker 2: but just lots of outdoor activities and it's all inclusive,

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Speaker 2: which is not something I've ever done outside of a

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Speaker 2: cruise situation. And I also was determined to try to

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Speaker 2: do this using credit card points because I had learned

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Speaker 2: about someone else doing that on a prior podcast, and

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Speaker 2: quite honestly, Mirror Ball is really pricey if you don't

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Speaker 2: do it that way. And I booked it, part of

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Speaker 2: me was like, is this really gonna work? Like is

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Speaker 2: this I don't know? When I get there and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're a points person, well you can stay in like

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Speaker 2: the basement or something. But no, it was amazing. Like

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Speaker 2: we went. I was like any other guest. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: many of the people were also there on credit card points,

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Speaker 2: and it was actually a fantastic trip. It felt like

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Speaker 2: an adults only sleepaway camp, I guess, with the types

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Speaker 2: of activities that I enjoy, like Bloate's class and hiking,

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Speaker 2: and there's yoga, there's a beautiful spa. We got massages,

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Speaker 2: I did do archery as a nod towards my husband's preference,

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Speaker 2: and that was actually pretty fun. So yeah, if you

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Speaker 2: have any questions, feel free to write me on my

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Speaker 2: website or something, because I would recommend it. I had

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Speaker 2: a great time, and I did manage to book this

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Speaker 2: trip on Chase Points that I transferred to Hyatt. So, Laura,

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Speaker 2: you also had a kind of a noteworthy event in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to my twenty fifth college reunion. It

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Speaker 1: particularly on Saturday, there's always this giant parade and that's

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Speaker 1: And it was funny looking at people and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Some people it's a little bit more recognizable than others,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you should go. You should go. Reunions are a

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Speaker 1: But it occurred to me as we were doing this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm just a really fast, like verbal processor,

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Speaker 1: What about you, Well, I was just wondering about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like maybe it's like because I'm like a very fast writer,

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Speaker 2: think there's a little bit of a cyclical feedback loop there.

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Speaker 1: somebody we were talking about substack. People like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I guess these days, who knows, everyone can write

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Speaker 2: Laura, how dare you?

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard that you've outsourced all of your substack

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Speaker 1: Have it at all, nothing nothing, every Laura Vandercamer writing

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Speaker 2: So but I feel like the common denominator with all this,

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Speaker 1: our list of our favorite productivity hacks. Well, we are back.

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Speaker 1: We are talking productivity hacks. We mentioned that not being

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Speaker 1: to make life in general seem to take less time.

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Speaker 1: But the first one I wanted to talk about is

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Speaker 1: force prioritization. Sometimes people get excited about their fifty item

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Speaker 1: fifty things. You will do like five of them. But

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Speaker 1: so you know if something goes wrong, you're still on track.

437
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Speaker 1: I think this is another one of my truly favorites,

438
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Speaker 1: because I feel like anyone can create a perfect schedule,

439
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Speaker 1: but the real time management masters create resilience schedules where

440
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Speaker 1: you still get done what you want to get done

441
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Speaker 1: even when life happens. In sort of the ninety five

442
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Speaker 1: percent confidence interval of the stuff that will happen.

443
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the way my calendar looks, it

444
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Speaker 2: doesn't look like I have a lot of slack, But

445
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Speaker 2: I think I have a pretty finely honed sense of

446
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: like where the pop off valves are and like kind

447
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Speaker 2: of how far I can push things without it becoming

448
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Speaker 2: super stressful. And that's like an art because if you're

449
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Speaker 2: bad at it, you can lead to missing deadlines entirely,

450
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Speaker 2: or putting out really subpar work, or just stressing yourself

451
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Speaker 2: out to the max. And I never get to that point.

452
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Speaker 2: So I guess I think there's like a happy medium here,

453
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Speaker 2: because some people are like, oh, I need to have

454
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Speaker 2: a whole we have to have these scripts done like

455
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Speaker 2: three weeks in advance, and like Laura and I do

456
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: not tend to do that. And sometimes it's actually more

457
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 2: fun from a content creation standpoint to be creating your

458
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: content fairly close to when it's going to be released.

459
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: It just feels fresher. There's something a little bit more

460
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Speaker 2: rewarding about writing a blog post, at least for me,

461
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Speaker 2: that like I'm know I'm going to hit published, versus

462
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Speaker 2: writing a post that I might publish in a week

463
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Speaker 2: or something like that, but I don't know. There's still

464
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Speaker 2: I think Laura's point there is like knowing the limits

465
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Speaker 2: and then having really good pop off valves. I know

466
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Speaker 2: I can always finish off on the weekends, and sometimes

467
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Speaker 2: I do, and I've actually learned to be much more

468
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Speaker 2: at peace with when that happens, because it's probably because

469
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Speaker 2: I needed to do something non work during the week

470
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Speaker 2: and time is swappable and that's okay.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm curious with this at work. I think

472
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Speaker 1: you also have a pretty good sense of what you

473
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Speaker 1: do when time does appear, Like if you have a

474
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Speaker 1: patient no show, like you have actually thought this through,

475
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Speaker 1: which is hi, I don't know for sure will be there,

476
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Speaker 1: but in the course of say three full patient days,

477
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Speaker 1: the odds that somebody doesn't show up is reasonable. Am

478
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Speaker 1: I correct? There?

479
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Speaker 2: Correct? Again, there's sort of like a hierarchy because like, yes,

480
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Speaker 2: if someone doesn't show up, I also might have some

481
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Speaker 2: urgent message to deal with. But like if the star

482
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Speaker 2: is a ligne and someone doesn't show and my inbox

483
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: is empty, like there is nothing stopping me from drafting

484
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Speaker 2: a podcast script, so I might do that, and I

485
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Speaker 2: would have in mind that this is the most urgent

486
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Speaker 2: thing because I didn't get to it the day before

487
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Speaker 2: because a kid broke a finger again and I had

488
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Speaker 2: to go to Ortho or whatever it was. So yes,

489
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Speaker 2: I do have in my mind like and I probably

490
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Speaker 2: wouldn't put something like that on a daily list necessarily,

491
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Speaker 2: although I might, because the thought would be either I

492
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Speaker 2: have time during the clinical day, or I do it

493
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Speaker 2: at lunch, or I do it after work. At this point,

494
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Speaker 2: I'm also of the with the ages of my kids,

495
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Speaker 2: sometimes I can stay at work a little bit longer

496
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Speaker 2: to get either work work done or my own work done.

497
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Speaker 2: And like, I have also recognized that freedom which probably

498
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Speaker 2: existed for a lot longer than I actually took advantage

499
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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, actually using the time you have available

501
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: to you is a probably good productivity hack too. We're

502
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Speaker 1: going to take one more quick ad break and then

503
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Speaker 1: we'll be back with a little bit more productivity and

504
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Speaker 1: then some thoughts on using AI. Well, we are back

505
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Speaker 1: talking productivity. We have a few household productivity teps too.

506
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Speaker 1: Maybe you have some. I don't think I have some.

507
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Speaker 1: This is just a little one. But I don't like

508
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Speaker 1: the idea of prepping a whole week's worth of meals

509
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Speaker 1: ahead of time. But one thing I have found is

510
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: helpful is like boiling a bunch of eggs on Sunday,

511
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Speaker 1: So especially if you are already in the kitchen doing

512
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Speaker 1: something like you're cooking Sunday dinner, just boiling water on

513
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Speaker 1: the stove, putting some eggs in there, because now you

514
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Speaker 1: have the basic protein for a bunch of breakfasts in

515
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Speaker 1: the course of the week. And it's just really modular,

516
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Speaker 1: like you have a hard boiled egg, add a cheese

517
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: stick and a piece of fruit and while you have

518
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: breakfast or yogurt or something, and you have breakfast, and

519
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: it makes that morning meal easy and yet also reasonably

520
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Speaker 1: healthy and didn't take any additional time. So that's kind

521
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Speaker 1: of a fun getting ready on Sunday hack. We wash

522
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Speaker 1: everything in cold water and the laundry. I read sometimes

523
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Speaker 1: about people sorting by lights and darks and all these

524
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Speaker 1: sorts of things. I'm just like, no, but you save.

525
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Speaker 2: It by people like you tend to try to do well.

526
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: We sort by people. But that's because then you don't

527
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Speaker 1: have to sort afterwards.

528
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Speaker 2: Yes, but that's a hack.

529
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is a heck. Oh well, yeah, no, it

530
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: gets curl everyone's laundry and together. I mean, especially like

531
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Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense to do four loads of

532
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Speaker 1: combined laundry versus if you have four people in your

533
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Speaker 1: household versus like four individual loads, right, I mean, that's

534
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Speaker 1: just doesn't like you're not saving any time, but you

535
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: are losing time on the end when you had to

536
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Speaker 1: sort through the four different sets of stuff, Whereas if

537
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Speaker 1: it's just one person's you can just shove that stuff

538
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Speaker 1: back in that person's room, and if they are over

539
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: the age of about six or seven, they can put

540
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Speaker 1: it in their drawers by themselves. Like it's not the

541
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Speaker 1: person doing laundryes problems. So that's a hack there, for sure.

542
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Speaker 1: I'm always curious about this. The dishes one. So we

543
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Speaker 1: have a lot of people in our house, and dishes

544
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Speaker 1: are never an issue, like they don't stack up. And

545
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Speaker 1: I've been trying to understand why this is because I

546
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Speaker 1: keep reading about this and various books about people's low

547
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Speaker 1: points or like when they realize that house was a

548
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Speaker 1: disaster and something need to change. It's always that there's

549
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Speaker 1: dishes everywhere, And I thought, I don't know, we use

550
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: a spray dish soap and like a scrubbrush. But that

551
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: means you can just wash one dish. So if somebody

552
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Speaker 1: makes one dish, they have to scrub that one dish

553
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Speaker 1: and put it away and have it be done, and

554
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: so nothing's stacking up right Like after a meal, you

555
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Speaker 1: quickly do the dishes.

556
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Speaker 2: I think this is a dishwasher issue. So like if

557
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Speaker 2: no one unloads the dishwasher, one unloads the dishes, then

558
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Speaker 2: you've just eaten a meal with seven people in your family,

559
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Speaker 2: and you have a meal's worth of dishes, which would

560
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Speaker 2: almost fill the dishwasher, I can imagine. But you have

561
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Speaker 2: a full dishwasher, and then you feel like over what

562
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying, we do this because we're I'm like ruthless,

563
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, I love the dishwasher. I'm like, so privileged

564
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Speaker 2: dishwashers exist in this world, and I will use mine

565
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Speaker 2: to the fullest extent. But I think that's how people

566
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: get behind. Like I don't think it's the scrubbing cooking stuff,

567
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: although I guess that too. Like here, you eat dinner,

568
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Speaker 2: you're tired, you just leave everything. I'm really against the

569
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Speaker 2: sink as like this mid this is actually a slight

570
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Speaker 2: battleground in our house because certain people might think the

571
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Speaker 2: sink is an acceptable place to put your dirty plate

572
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Speaker 2: when you're done eating, and I'm like, no, no, it

573
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Speaker 2: goes in the dishwasher.

574
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Speaker 1: It does.

575
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Speaker 2: Gosh, there's no like, this is not a halfway house.

576
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Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't take any extra effort to put it

577
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: in the dishwasher versus the sink. It's just that somebody

578
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: else is going to have to then put it in

579
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Speaker 1: the dishwasher, you know, like Laura. Yes, So the dishwasher

580
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: gets run overnight, it gets emptied in the morning, and

581
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Speaker 1: you never deviate from that schedule like you might think, oh,

582
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: the dishwasher is only sixty percent full, like we don't

583
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Speaker 1: need to run it, but that's where you would wind

584
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Speaker 1: up behind. So no, you run it every night, empty

585
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: it every morning, and then yeah.

586
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Speaker 2: Sometimes run it twice. You tend to like wash our

587
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: like pots in the dishwasher too, like if I cook,

588
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: most of them are like safe to go in there.

589
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's why when you said once every night,

590
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, or multiple times. And we do have like

591
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: a pretty efficient dishwasher like our water and the frequently.

592
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

593
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, And my mom would always go off about how

594
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Speaker 2: the dishwasher is actually more efficient than washing dishes by hands,

595
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I freely make use of my dishwasher.

596
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Speaker 1: I would also say that emptying the dishwasher does not

597
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Speaker 1: take much time. I mean, especially if your kitchen is

598
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Speaker 1: well organized. I mean maybe if time it goes randomly.

599
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Speaker 2: It's like six minutes. It's holding laundry can be like

600
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Speaker 2: a whole TV episode for us, for our family because

601
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Speaker 2: we don't use your hack because we're unable to for

602
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Speaker 2: some reason. But the dishwasher is like six minutes.

603
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't like doing it. I really don't

604
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: like emptying the dishwasher, but every time I do it,

605
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: it's like within the time that my eggs are like

606
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: scrambling on the stove in the morning if I'm the

607
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: one emptying. So not a problem, not a problem, Just

608
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Speaker 1: do it. I think our last one is more philosophical,

609
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: which is as we were saying, good enough is good enough.

610
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: You don't need to get worked up about things, don't

611
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: get worked up about transitions. Just think through what needs

612
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: to happen and then do it. I mean, I always

613
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Speaker 1: amaze when I read stories of people are like overwhelmed

614
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: because there is a soccer game and a swim meet

615
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: on the same day. It's like, oh no, well, we

616
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: just deal.

617
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Speaker 2: With it, right, you just deal with it and I'll

618
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: throw up plug in there for like remember that, like

619
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: you don't have to always do everything. Like sometimes a

620
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: great efficiency hack is like, ooh, this is a job

621
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Speaker 2: for someone else. I was in the middle of finishing

622
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: my book manuscript stuff and they were like, oh, we

623
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Speaker 2: need all of the sources like formatted in this specific way.

624
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: And I was like, do you know anyone who can

625
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Speaker 2: do that for me? Like I had the list of things,

626
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: like it was kind of easy to like look up,

627
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: but like to be like, oh, which page was this on,

628
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: and like who was the publisher? I was like, can

629
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Speaker 2: you find someone?

630
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Speaker 1: And they did.

631
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Speaker 2: They were like, yes, this person will do it for

632
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Speaker 2: like X amount per hour and it was some reasonable amount.

633
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I love you so much. I hired

634
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Speaker 2: this person. They were thrilled to do it. I was

635
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: thrilled she did it, and I saved a lot of angst.

636
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that would have been something you would have

637
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: been unhappy about trying to shove into your life for sure. Yes. Yeah.

638
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: And also just that little bits of time can be used.

639
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking of this the other night

640
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: when we had a double band concert because two of

641
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Speaker 1: my kids play in the middle school band, and like,

642
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: the fifth and sixth grade concert was at six thirty,

643
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Speaker 1: in the seventh and eighth grade concert was at seven thirty,

644
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Speaker 1: and so it was just a long evening by the

645
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Speaker 1: time we got through everything. So I was gone from

646
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Speaker 1: about five forty five to nine thirty is what we

647
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Speaker 1: wound up being after I brought a bunch of people home,

648
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: but I go about at like ten forty five. Like

649
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: I was still able to read for thirty minutes in

650
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Speaker 1: the evening. And somebody would look at that and be like, oh,

651
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: the whole evening is shot. No, it's not shot. Like

652
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Speaker 1: I still got time to do the things I wanted

653
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Speaker 1: to do, Like I got to read my book for

654
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and in this very full evening, So little

655
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: bits of time can be used, and I think seeing

656
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: that makes life feel a lot better. Speaking of things

657
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: that may or may not make life easier, we thought

658
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: we had to do an obligatory AI discussion since.

659
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: And now we're already thirty minutes into the episode and

660
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: haven't gotten to AI. On our list of productivity tips,

661
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: what's wrong with us, Laura.

662
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, partly it's that I don't use it hardly

663
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, I must use it when I

664
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: type things in search engines and answers come up, but

665
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm not using it for much other than that. I

666
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: know there are use cases. I've had people that have

667
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: kept time logs for me also feed their time logs

668
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: into one of the AI things to ask Claude, what

669
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: do you think of this? And Claude will give you answers.

670
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: And I find it somewhat like going to a fortune teller,

671
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: because if it's something you sort of agree with and

672
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: think is helpful, you'll be like, oh, yeah, that was great,

673
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: and then you kind of ignore the stuff that isn't

674
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: as helpful. But sometimes it's good to have a sounding board.

675
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: And obviously I sometimes do that for people, but I

676
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: am limited. So I'm glad that people can feed their

677
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: time logs into various things and learn what they can.

678
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: I also know that some people are giving access to

679
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: given my inbox, given my calendar, given my ongoing projects,

680
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: about what should my top three priorities be for today,

681
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: which is an interesting question. I feel like you should

682
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: know that, Like I feel like you should be on

683
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: top of your stuff to know what is most important

684
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: to you in pursuit of your goals. But again, you

685
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: and I Sarah may be better at understanding what's important

686
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: for us, then maybe some people do. And so if

687
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: you find it as helpful to ask, given all this stuff,

688
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: what I should be focusing on, then that might be

689
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: a reasonable use case. Oof.

690
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: See I use AI way more than you, and I

691
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: hate that use case, Like okay for me, for other people, listen,

692
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: you do you like this is a world where you

693
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: should do you and figure out what works. But I

694
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: do not want AI telling me my daily priorities. Like

695
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: I think there's a little something scary about that, Like

696
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: I'm the kind.

697
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: Of person you're gonna do this, this, this, and feed

698
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: the robot right, going to do what's on.

699
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: My list, And I'm not giving my autonomy of what

700
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: goes on my list to anyone other than my brain. Now,

701
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: I love AI for like quantitative. So if AI wanted

702
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: to like show me my list, or I'm gonna feed

703
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: you the timelog and you're gonna show it to me

704
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: in different graphical interfaces and tell me how many hours

705
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: I spend on this and how many hours I spend

706
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: on that, and give me a graph of my sleeping

707
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: against my mood that I've put in. Like, I think

708
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: it's awesome for that kind of like analytical thing. I

709
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 2: have used it for, Like I use it for travel planning,

710
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: like not tell me what to do, but like tell

711
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: me some options of what to do so I can

712
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: like start looking because certain places you might not even

713
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: have a place to start or understand the geographical landscapes.

714
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: I've used it for nutrition and fitness ideas because I

715
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: feel like it's just so low stakes and it is

716
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: kind of quantitative in a way. I have used it

717
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: for casual financial modeling, so again not making like oh

718
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: I retired because Chad told me that I could, Like, no,

719
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: let's not go crazy, but hey, I've saved up this,

720
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: and let's make some assumptions and give me some interesting

721
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: graphs as to what could happen and what happens if

722
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: we cut our income to this in ten years, and

723
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: it will kind of show its work so you can

724
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: get a sense of whether what it's doing is making sense.

725
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: But like having it calculate and ask the questions is

726
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: a lot easier than doing that on your own. All

727
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: the financial professionals are gonna come at me because this

728
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: is a terrible idea. And I am not suggesting that

729
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: anyone make any decisions. This is just your personal use

730
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: and interesting exploration. What else do I use it for?

731
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: I mean those are the main things.

732
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: Well, open evidence, right, you use that? Oh?

733
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: I use open evidence every single day. Now. I have

734
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: two screens, and half the time my second screen at

735
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: work is pulled up to open evidence. Open evidence is

736
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: like chat gubut, but with PubMed as their resources and

737
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: some other websites, and I mean it is a fantastic Listen,

738
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: you have to be careful with any of these things.

739
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: There's still the possibility for hallucination. I would never just

740
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: ask it like a patient question then just like take

741
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: its answer at face value. But it gives you the sources,

742
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: and I would have struggled to find the sources in

743
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: the way that it's able to find the sources. And

744
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: it even it has helped in pretty complex cases to

745
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: identify papers that I wouldn't have found on my own

746
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: just using pubmeds. So I've found it really helpful in

747
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: clinical practice. And then for like basic questions. So normally,

748
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 2: if I wanted to like check the dosing of something.

749
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: I'd have to go to up to date, and then

750
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: you have to click on the med and you have

751
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: to click on the use case, and oh it's a

752
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: pediatric patient. It's like six clicks and it's annoying. But

753
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: instead I can just type in like starting dose of

754
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: this med and it will just spit it out and

755
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: show the sources, and it's like, oh my gosh, this

756
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: is so much more efficient. So yeah, I use open

757
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: evidence like every day.

758
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Awesome. Awesome. Well there's a great use case right there

759
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: for making your physicians more efficient so they can spend

760
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: more of their time actually interacting with patients. So today's question,

761
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: A listener writes that I like the idea of toad time.

762
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: Remember this is time out.

763
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: So we forgot one thing. We forgot one thing on

764
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: the AI discussion. I think both of us dessert we

765
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: sort of mentioned it previously, but neither of us have

766
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: written a single word of our content with AI, and like,

767
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't think we plan to, So I just think

768
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: that needs to be said. I feel like I'm starting

769
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: to see it come into my inbox and into newsletters

770
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: that sound suspiciously flat all of a sudden and even

771
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: like podcasts which I'm like, are they reading something? And

772
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: speeches in everyday life, which I'm like, I don't think

773
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: you wrote that, and I'm not into it.

774
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

775
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't want to end our AI discussion without

776
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: a brief note that we continue to write in our

777
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: own voices and are going to protect that fiercely.

778
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, So on to todtime I'm out to

779
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Alyssa asked about she has a four year old, a

780
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: two year old and a dog and getting out of

781
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: the door feels like a hassle. Plus there's very limited

782
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: time after dinner and before the two year old bedtime,

783
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: and dishes need to be done in there, which is

784
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: going to be an all dishes episode. Maybe AI can

785
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: take over our dishes. Any suggestions in there?

786
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 2: So?

787
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: I had a few. I did a blog post about

788
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: this pretty recently too. One is make sure shoes, jackets, bugspray,

789
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 1: et cetera. By the door. Bugspray could be on the porch,

790
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: so you're doing it outside so it's easy, like very

791
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: velcrow shoes. Slip on shoes. Again, if your four year

792
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: old can do this themselves, you're even better off then.

793
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: So if you're only having to deal with one kid

794
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: doing this. If you have two adults in your family

795
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: who are around at dinner time, one adult can do

796
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: the dishes while the other takes the kids outside, and

797
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: then the parent doing dishes can join you later as

798
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: soon as they finish with said dishes if you are

799
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: still out there. Because again limited expectations when you have

800
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: little kids. If there is only one of you and

801
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: you are trying to do dishes, I would suggest trying

802
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: not to make many dishes, Like think about how easy

803
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: can my dinner be in terms of dishes, so like

804
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: sheep pan dinners, one pot dinners, because then you're just

805
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: loading your plates in the dishwasher and your silverware, maybe

806
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: putting the spatula in the top rack, and then you've

807
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: got one pot to clean, and then you could do

808
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: it either very quickly or we don't like to leave

809
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: things in the sink. But if we are trying to

810
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: get outside with the four year old and two year old,

811
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: maybe you're just doing the dish after they go to bed. Anyway,

812
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: like one dish, it's not going to be that big

813
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: a deal. Keep your expectations low for your time outside,

814
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: even if it's very brief. It might still be fun.

815
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: Keeping the kids contained is sometimes easier. So if you

816
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: put this as like I'm walking the dog in your mind,

817
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: like put the kids in a double stroller and you're

818
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: walking the dog with that, and then everyone is like

819
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: dog's on a leash, kids in the stroller, No one's

820
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: running off. It's just a much more relaxed way to

821
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: experience the outdoors. Or obviously if you have a fenced

822
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: in yard, you could let them run around and they

823
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: are all three of them, the dog and the children too.

824
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing is like,

825
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: if your kids are little, being at home is not

826
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: going to be any better, Like it's not going to

827
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: be so easy to be home. So yeah, it's gonna

828
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: be kind of a pain outside. But then at least

829
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: you've got some time outside and maybe gamify it for

830
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: yourself if that helps you, like, oh, let's see how

831
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: many dates per week I can get outside. Then for

832
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: certain people, if they feel like they're checking something off

833
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: a list for themselves, it like adds a little element

834
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: of like ooh, gold Star went outside tonight, because again,

835
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: you'd be watching those toddlers anyway, so.

836
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're with you, and so you have to keep

837
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: them contained indoors or outside where everyone is in a

838
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: slightly better mood, at least in my experience, if the

839
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: weather is nice. All right. Love of the week son

840
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: is peanut butter crackers. I just went on a two

841
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: day trip for a speech, and I always pack several

842
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: of these, like six pack of ritz peanut butter crackers.

843
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: It's about like two hundred calories, so substantial enough that

844
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: you can have it as like a real snack or

845
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: even a substitute light meal. But because they're easy to transport,

846
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: it also it just removes a lot of the worry

847
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: of like will I be able to find something to eat?

848
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: Like if I get into my hotel late, I don't

849
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: have to worry about finding something because I have all

850
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: these peanut butter crackers. Or if it's a tight connection

851
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: to the airport in the morning, I have my peanut

852
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: butter crackers. If I have a limited window of time

853
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: between two events and I'm going to be hungry, but

854
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I've got my peanut butter crackers. So it just removes

855
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot of that worry, which I think is just

856
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: helpful when you're trying to go in the things you're doing.

857
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: It's an emergency snack.

858
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: It's an emergency snack. Yeah it's but you don't want

859
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: to have like an emergency snack that's like fifty calories

860
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: because that doesn't work.

861
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, my emergency snack is like a cliff

862
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Builder bar. They have like twenty grams of protein, and

863
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: like I'll usually have it in my bag for three

864
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: weeks until some reason that I it's not like I

865
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: like them that much, which is good. I wouldn't eat

866
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: it randomly, but like if I need it, Wow, what

867
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing to have one hand. So I'll just

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Speaker 2: use that as my love of the week.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I like the peanut butter crackers. They're reasonable, but

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Speaker 1: you don't like them so much.

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Speaker 2: Like it's not like your favorite candy. You're not going

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Speaker 2: to recreationally eat it.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not eating them at home. No no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not like sitting there eating them at my desk,

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Speaker 1: like if I have access to all the other foods

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Speaker 1: in my fridge. No. No, it's very much a transport snack.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, emergency snack emergency.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a productivity hat.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well that's my love of the week. Cliff

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Speaker 2: Builder Bars twenty grams of proteiners.

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Speaker 1: Loo. Okay, love it all right? Well, this has been

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Speaker 1: best of both worlds. We've been talking productivity hacks, a

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Speaker 1: little bit on a I, a little bit on toad time.

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Speaker 1: We will be back next week with more on making

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Speaker 1: work and life fit together.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

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Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join

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Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life

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Speaker 1: work together.