1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Thanks again for tuning into another episode of school Stories. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Today's guest had a ten year NFL career as a 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, including his first five seasons with your Minnesota Vikings. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: He was the fiery force from Boston College. Please enjoy 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: today's conversation with the one and only Chris hovan Well, 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Chris hovan Is, it's great to catch up with you. 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. It's been quite a while since 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: we last caught up with you, so if you'd give 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: the fans a quick update and how you're doing these 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: days and what's you up to. 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: Well, it's good to good to talk to you, gentlemen. 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on the show today. 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: Life simple nowadays, Uh, you know, living, uh live in Tampa, Florida. 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: Let's you know. 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: I played for the Bucks for five years and uh 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: after that, I couldn't find. 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: A reason to leave. 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: And uh my wife's from Tampa, and uh so you know, 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: right now we're situated in Tampa right now. 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: I do high school coaching, I do real estate. 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 3: I invest a lot too by myself, and got four kids. 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 3: I got an eighteen year old who's in Alabama. He's 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: on a scholarship to play hockey there. 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Wait to play hockey in Alabama. 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,639 Speaker 2: I know, it's pretty crazy, right, that's. 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: All hockey in Alabama. 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 4: That one doesn't just roll off the lip. He's playing 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 4: hockey in Alabama. I was like, what what, Well. 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: It's crazy because now all the SEC teams are starting 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: to get teams like Auburn, LSU, Georgia Tech because they 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: see all the money that they're making up north, so 32 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: they're gonna be like, wait, we want to cut it 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: that so but yeah, so he's in Alabama, he's a freshman, 34 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 3: he's starting. And I got twin seventeen year old girls. 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: One's gonna go to John Carroll, which is a D 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: three school in Ohio. She's gonna play volleyball there. My 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: other daughter is gonna either go to USF or Alabama. 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: She's not really decided yet. She's a cheerleader. 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: And then I got a twelve year old who just 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: started playing tackle football. My boy. So I got four 41 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: healthy kids, lovely wife. I mean, you know, everything's quiet, quite, 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: it's good for me. 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 4: Do you give them any advice? What advice do you 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 4: find yourself? Being the old man and just saying back 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 4: in our day, blah blah, blah blah. 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I hate to go to football terminology, 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: but probably like the best thing I've ever learned was 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: from Money Kiffen, and not only deals with on the field, 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: but it deals with off the field. And Money always 50 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: taught me good, bad, move on, and I've taken that 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: to my life because there's been a lot of good 52 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: I've done. There's been some bad things I've done, but 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: it's always moving on. And if you have that mentality, 54 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you had a great player or 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: a bad play. It's always the next play. And it 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: doesn't matter if you know you had a C on 57 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 3: your test today, you can always raise that up to 58 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: a B or inn A. So you know that philosophy 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: has always stayed with me, and it's stayed with my 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 3: kids too. 61 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: You connected with Money just stay on Miney Kiffing for 62 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: a minute ago because obviously he had he had his 63 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: time up here, But then you caught up with him 64 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay and with the head coach John Gruden, 65 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: and he also had assistant coaches like Mike Tomlin, Raheem Morris. 66 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: What was it about Moni? You said he gave you 67 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: some great life advice and he seemed to have that 68 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of personality that just made you feel really good. 69 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: I mean, this was this was a man who genuinely 70 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: loved football. You know. I can remember coming down to Tampa. 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: My my, my first my first week, right, and uh 72 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: so I'm like, you know, I gotta get in there. 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: I get extra conditioning, should show up at like five 74 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning or something like that. And then 75 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: you know that they had what was called a player's lounge, 76 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: which is like a dorm bedroom, and uh. 77 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: So we went in there. 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: I turned the lights on Monie sleeping on the couch 79 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm like, this is this is this 80 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: is mini camp guy, this is not training camp. And 81 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: he like looks at me all crazy. I'm like, oh 82 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: my god. I'm like I just woke up the defensive coordinator. 83 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my gosh. I turned the lights off 84 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: and I ran out. But that's not about you, Like Moni. 85 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: Moni was in few with football like his his passion 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: and energy. I can't remember that first coaching staff when 87 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: I came down of Tampa and it was the who's 88 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 3: who it was, Mike Tomlin, Rod Marinelli, Minnie Kiffin. Uh 89 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: Raheem Morris. I mean this this, I mean, now that 90 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: I look back at it, you're like, wow. I mean 91 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: you look at the tree that that Moni has created 92 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: throughout all the years. I mean, Joe Barry was on 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: that staff too, and it was just it was amazing 94 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: how his tree just infiltrated the league. And it's still 95 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: it's still a lot right now. Yeah. 96 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 4: Well, I was fortunate enough to play for Moni here 97 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 4: for a couple of years with Tony Dungee, so that 98 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 4: you know that tree just uh, Monni was kind of 99 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: the He was the crazy Professor is what we used 100 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: to call him, because you know, the hair was always 101 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 4: going all over the place and he and you know, 102 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 4: the other thing that was great too is how much 103 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 4: things have changed. I was not as a rookie. I 104 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: was not allowed to ask questions and meetings. I had 105 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 4: to write them all down and save him for after 106 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: the meeting was over, and as soon as the meeting 107 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: was over where he'd walk out. 108 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: Okay, So okay, it is. 109 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: Exactly right, exactly right. 110 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: What about your own personal football journey, Chris, I mean 111 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: it started in Ohio. You think of Ohio, you think 112 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: of you know, being the hotbed of football high school 113 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: football and what that you know, Friday night lights were like. 114 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: And when did you first start playing and when did 115 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: you know you had a chance to kind of move 116 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: on to the next levels, including obviously the ultimate in 117 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: the NFL. 118 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I went to a school 119 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: in Cleveland called all Right and yeah, they're they're very 120 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: dominant throughout the years, not so much, not so much now, 121 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: but when I was playing and before me, like they 122 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: won tenn state championships, we won a national championship. So 123 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: I was I was going to a foot football pedigree school. 124 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: But the only problem was I wasn't mature enough to play. 125 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: You know, I had the talent, but I didn't I 126 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: didn't want to buy in, like going into the weight 127 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: room and doing all that extra stuff like that thought. 128 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: I thought I could just rely on my talent all alone. 129 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: But that's not the case. So I didn't start to 130 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: my senior year in high school because I had a 131 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: guy in front of me. Well both the guys, one 132 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: went to Michigan and one went to Wisconsin. So I 133 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: had to like get you know, wait, wait my time. 134 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: So I knew at that time my senior year because 135 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: my dad was a truck driver, my mom was a secretary. 136 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: So I knew I wasn't going to college. That was 137 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: just that was the fact, slefe because they couldn't afford it. 138 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 3: So I had to make a decision then and there, 139 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: you know, are you gonna go after and get a 140 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: scholarship or you can go to the military. It was 141 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: pretty It was pretty simple. So I spent that whole 142 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: off season I bought I bought a bench, I bought 143 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 3: the weights. I put in my basement and so I 144 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: would like I would I would literally I would lift 145 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: twice a day. I would lift a school. Then I 146 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: would come home and lift again. And I did that 147 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: for four or five months straight. When my friends would 148 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: go out to parties, I'd be like, no, I gotta 149 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: stay home and do this and this and this, and 150 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: I would just sit there and train, and I would 151 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: train and train because my best friends were starters on 152 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: the team, and I was really getting sick of watching 153 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: them play and making all the play. So I was like, 154 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: you know, you know, Chris, you gotta make a change 155 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: in your life right now. So it made a change. 156 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: I was like at the time, I was like two 157 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: twenty five. I talked to my strength coach and he 158 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: put me on a diet where I had to drink 159 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: a gallon of milk a day and he eat two 160 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: pounds of beef. Oh my god, So that was that was. 161 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: That was every day. 162 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: So I'd have like on my way to school, I 163 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: drink like a half gallon of milk and eat a 164 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: roast beef sandwich and then and then I go and 165 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: then they had breakfast that ignations whatever be. Then I 166 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: have lunch, I have another roastbeef sandwich, and then I 167 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: come home and I have like two or three burgers. 168 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: Well the way packed down really quick. 169 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, so yeah, you should have been there for ever. 170 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever heard the story about 171 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 4: Everett Lindsay where the guys, but it meant being like 172 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 4: a thousand bucks. He getting drink a gallon of milk 173 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: in five minutes, and he sat down, he sat down 174 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: in the locker er in Dennis Ryan's room and just 175 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 4: he got it done. 176 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ever. 177 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: And then oh my god. And then I'm trying to 178 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: remember it was we had another guy that did it 179 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: for buttermilk, but it was five grand, and I didn't 180 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 4: quite get it done it didn't, So you ended up 181 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: in Boston College. And so from going from zero to 182 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: Boston College, that's a pretty big deal. Tell us about that. 183 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I started my senior year, I had 184 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: like twelve sacks in the first three games. So next 185 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: thing I know, we go to church every morning on Sunday, 186 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: and next thing I know, I have all these recruits 187 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: on my doorstep. So I'm like, okay, you know, my 188 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: dad's like, you know, you finally arrived. So through the process, 189 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 3: we get to recruiting and Boston College came in first, 190 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: and you know, you get to your visits and you 191 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: get that dead period and you get to visit again. 192 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: So I visited Boston College and Ohio State. So we're 193 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: sitting there and watching TV with my mom. We're watching 194 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: a bowl game and I was like, you know what, 195 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: ignacious jesuit. I went to a Catholic, Catholic grade school. 196 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: Boston College is jesuit. They said they're gonna give me 197 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: a chance to start right away. This has got to 198 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: be it. So I told my mom, I commit that. 199 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: You know, we're on the spot right there. Got it 200 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: to BC. The defensive line coach Jerry as an Arrow 201 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: coach college everywhere. I was my defensive line coach. And uh, 202 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: he's like, he's like, he's like, I'm only going to 203 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: start to you if I have to. I'm like, okay, 204 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: I'm like all right, I'm like I and bottom of 205 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: my breath and like you whatever, I'm starting to like 206 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: swearing in so and I go out there and uh, 207 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: you know, eventually I beat the guy out, went on, 208 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: became a freshman All American, started off four years Big 209 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: East All American my senior year, and you know, I 210 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: mean just it was just it was always a hard work, 211 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: you know. I mean that's what That's what always propelled me. 212 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: Was always a hard work. Was like you know, after 213 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: a lift, we go run and then I go back 214 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: in you're the lift. It was always that. It just 215 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: wasn't enough. When when you're young, you always think the 216 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: more is better, it's really not. But I mean that 217 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: was my mentality. I really had no choices. I was 218 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: so set on going to the NFL. 219 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: It's amazing how football is kind of the people in 220 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 4: football that have been around you your entire career. And 221 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: you mentioned Monti Kiffin and the coaches and that you 222 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 4: played with and four Uh, in Tampa. But you're at BC. 223 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 4: There was a your senior year, there was a freshman 224 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: dB called Brian Flora named Brian Flores. Excuse me, people 225 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 4: like Mike uh stalin colin A. But what do you 226 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: do you remember anything at all about Flores that stood 227 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: out to you. 228 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: Remember he liked to hit, so I do that. 229 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's hard to get get a corner 230 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 3: on an island that wants to come up and blast 231 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: run it back. But just like you know, back in 232 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: the day we had Willy Green, Willie Green was no joke. 233 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 3: Willy Green went first round to the Cleveland Browns. So 234 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: you know, Brian would always stick his head in there. 235 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: And that's the one thing I respected about Brian. He 236 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: was no nonsense. He he was always on the details, 237 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: he was always in the playbook, always. 238 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: You know, communicating on the field. 239 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: He was a leader on the field. He may not 240 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: have been a captain when I was there, but you 241 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: could you could tell, like the tellings of what's going 242 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: to become with him, you could tell he was going 243 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: to be a coach. 244 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: Your opportunity then in the NFL came about with the 245 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings drafting you number twenty five overall, how much 246 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: communication did they have with you before the draft, and 247 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: was that kind of where you thought you might be 248 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: going in the draft that year? 249 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: I had zero communication with Minnesota. And I don't know 250 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: if that's Scott's stubble, not trying to show his hand, 251 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: but no, so I had I had a first round grade. 252 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: And you know they the two tests, they had the 253 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: blessed still in the national r and uh, the only 254 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: guy in front of me was Corey Simon from Florida State. 255 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: So you know, we get we get the draft day 256 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: and you know we're sitting there and like, you know, 257 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 3: I was talking to my brother. I'm like, do you 258 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: think I jumped you know, do you think I can 259 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: jump them? Do you think I know, go ahead of him. 260 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: He's like, no, it's not happening. I said, Okay. He's like, 261 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: he's like the one thing you want right now, Chris. 262 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: He's like, you want to get him off the board 263 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: as fast as you can. I said, oh okay. So 264 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: he's like so then Philly came in and picked him 265 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: at six. So no, I was a second ranked defensive 266 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: tackle off to that. So my brother was right, He's like, 267 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: get him off board, I said, okay. So I'm sitting 268 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: there and I thought it was I had initially I 269 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: had talked to Green Bay the whole the whole time, ironically, 270 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: and the problem was that, you know, Mark Chramura, I 271 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: decided to have a party, and so when they cut him, 272 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: then they took Bubba Franks. They had to fill a 273 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: need with the need. So after that pick, I'm like, 274 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: here we go. So then pick after pick after pick, 275 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: and then Carolina picks and I think they picked like 276 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: a defensive back or something. And then as soon as 277 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: that pick, I hear like the phone right, I'm like, what, 278 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: So it's a draft phone. I So I go to 279 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: the draft. I'm like, who's in the clock? Like Minnesota? 280 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 3: So I pick it up. It was Danny Green. He's like, hey, Chris, 281 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: I said, it's a Green. He's like yeah. 282 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, he's like, are you ready to become a Viking. 283 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, yeah, you know, I couldn't even get 284 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: anything out. 285 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: But then, you know, after that, you know. 286 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: I talked to Scott Studwell and after that I was 287 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: on a plane in Minneapolis, and it's pretty much a whirlwind. 288 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: You know, on draft day, you know, you're so excited 289 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: and you get down, your emotions are up and down. 290 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: You're like, why am I not good enough? And it's 291 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: just it's it was one of the craziest professional days 292 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: in my life. 293 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: So when you get here and you finally meet your 294 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: twin John Randall, what was that? 295 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: Like? It's ironic. You know, the guy who I emulated 296 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: like my whole career is the guy who I'm actually 297 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 3: get to play next to. I mean, who can say that. 298 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: Not many people can say that. And even though I 299 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: got one year with him, which was not enough in 300 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: my opinion, I learned so much from that man. Uh, 301 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: he is just a he's a he is He's got 302 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: so much knowledge about football, about just the intricacies of 303 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: you know, formations and lineman and how they're lining up 304 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: and what's the guy doing. And it was just all 305 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: this stuff and all this information. I was just trying 306 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: to encapsulate when he was talking to me. But it's 307 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: just it was but he talked to you in like 308 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: real terms. It wasn't like, you know, like big words 309 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: or anything like that, you know, but we were always 310 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: able to, you know, talk, and like I said, it 311 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: was a shame that, you know, the money situation had 312 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: to work out where he had to go to Seattle, 313 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: but I was really grateful, really grateful for the time 314 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: that we had together. 315 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: Again, we're talking to Chris Hovan. You mentioned you got 316 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: the phone call from head coach Denny Green on draft day. 317 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: You he was knowing kind of the player's coach. And 318 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: if you look back, what was your kind of quintessential 319 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: Denny Green coaching moment and and your how would you 320 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: describe your relationship with him as time went on? 321 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: I think you I think you put it right there. 322 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: I think he was a players coach, but the players 323 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: didn't take advantage of him, so there's there's a huge difference. 324 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: So then he was always fair. 325 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: Obviously he was more of an offensive coach, so be it, 326 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: he had the best talent on offense. But then he 327 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: was always fair. You know, practices, he wouldn't kill us, 328 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: but he would always make sure that we were getting 329 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: what we had to out of practice. He's very professional, 330 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: talk to you, like, looked you in the eye, and 331 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: that's what I really respect about Denny. And you know, 332 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: his passion for the game, you know, and you know, 333 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: you couldn't really seen on the sidelines of game day 334 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: but like during practice then he would have a lot 335 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: of passion and uh, I really respect and I you know, 336 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: it's it's a shame that he had he had to 337 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: leave his so early. 338 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: But he was a great man. 339 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: Another guy that was around that you probably got to 340 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 4: know was Paul Wiggins. And and you know, Paul passed 341 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 4: away recently, and it's kind of hard to let the 342 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: football world know, at least the Viking world to know 343 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: how important he really was and how just I mean 344 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: as a coach, as a just as a guy in 345 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 4: the building. I loved the game intense. Uh did you 346 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: get to know Paul? And and and what do you 347 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: you know, what do you what would you like everyone 348 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: to know about him? 349 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: You know, Paul, Paul is a great man. 350 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: I mean all played what what the fifties and sixties. Yeah, 351 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: so I mean this man is a this man is 352 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: an oracle of this league. 353 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: He really is. He Paul. 354 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 3: Would you know we would have our meetings for defensive 355 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: line and stuff like that, but I would actually go 356 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: up to Paul's office at least once or twice a 357 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: week and we would sit there and we would break 358 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: down the opponents. And it wasn't like I was trying 359 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: to like, oh, you know, my defensive line coach wasn't 360 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: good enough. But I had this vast knowledge upstairs that 361 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: all he does is watch film. He's gonna help me 362 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: break down an opponent. I utilize that to help me. 363 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: And we would sit there after lunch for about half 364 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: hour forty five minutes between you know, before next walk 365 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: through or next meeting, and we would sit there and 366 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: we would break down the opponent. And he would literally 367 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: have every type of tendency or weakness every offensive line had. 368 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: And I would sit there and I would write notes 369 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: the whole time, and I would listen. I would listen, 370 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: and at the end I would ask questions. But he 371 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: was such a valuable resource. I mean, you know, guys 372 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: like myself, John Randall, Lance, Johnstone, we'd all go up 373 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: there and we'd all ask for his opinion because I mean, 374 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: Paul was a man, and he's gonna be revered and 375 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: respected by this organization forever. 376 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 4: It is crazy how much information is out there. I 377 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: don't know if fans realizes, but you're handed basically a 378 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: book about the five offensive linemen that you're going to face, 379 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: where where they're from, where they grew up, who they're 380 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 4: married to, the kids, and then every single tendency, weakness, strength, 381 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 4: all those things that those guys have. I mean, it's 382 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 4: incredibly detailed, isn't it. 383 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 3: It is? And then you know what you do with 384 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: that information is then you match it up to the 385 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: big picture. Right, So, now they bring a tight end 386 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: in the line of scrimmage, or they do this type 387 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: of formation, and if the backs off set, we know 388 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: the protection is going to slide away from the back, 389 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: or if they got three ride receivers by one, they're 390 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: going to slide the center away from the three wide receivers. 391 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: That's the type of information I was getting from Paul, 392 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: so that I could go in and I could look 393 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: at you know, Rod Marnelli always just tell me this, 394 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: see a little, see a lot. So when we break 395 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: the huddle, I'd look at the I'd look at the 396 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: offensive line and their stances. Then I'd take a peek 397 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 3: at the formation. So I saw what I had to 398 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: see in front of me. So now I'm taking a 399 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: little bit more and I'm trying to get a bigger 400 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: picture of what their tendency can be. And that can 401 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 3: either either be run, pass or screen depending on that 402 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: depending on how they're in their stances, depending on the formation, 403 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 3: depending on if the quarterbacks on their center or if 404 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: he's going to do RPO. There's so much that goes 405 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: into this. And this is a defense. This is a 406 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 3: nose tackle, talking to you, this isn't a linebacker. This 407 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: is a nose tackle. And even when I got down 408 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 3: to Tampa, the first thing I did was, you know, 409 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: I sat down with Derek. I'm like, Derek, we need 410 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: to go over all these tendencies. How do you want 411 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: me to hold this double team up? How do you 412 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: want me to chase this? You know, do you want 413 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 3: to be in front? Do you want to being back? 414 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 3: It's all these nuances that if you if you're not 415 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 3: if you're not on your wheels, then you're not playing fast. 416 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: If you're not playing fast, boom, you're gone. 417 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Think about Paul Wigan two to reiterate what you were 418 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: talking about, Chris Hovan. But you know, Paul Wigan still 419 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: was breaking down film into his eighties. I mean, he 420 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: just loved the game. He played with the you know, 421 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: maybe the greatest running back of all time with Jim Brown, 422 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Chief Stanford University, you name it, 423 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: and he did it all, and you did it with 424 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: such grace and humility. And it's great to hear a 425 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: former someone who really appreciated every knowledge, every piece of 426 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: knowledge that he imparted to you. 427 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: Now, he was, you know, he's a he's a substantial figure. 428 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: And you know, I remember, like when I was a rookie, 429 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 3: he's like Hearen, He's like, I want to talk to you. 430 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. 431 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: So we go up to his office and stuff like that, 432 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm still trying to find my way. 433 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to. 434 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: Put all these passporst moves on and stuff. He's like, listen, 435 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: he's like, Chris, you're doing too much. I said, okay. 436 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: I said, all right, mister Wigan, tell me what I 437 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: need to do. He's like, slow it down. I'm like okay. 438 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: He's like, pick two of your best moves right now, 439 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 3: and he's like, let's work on these right now. Because 440 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: you know, you're come in. You know, you're trying to 441 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: will the coaches and you're trying to win every drill 442 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 3: and all this kind of stuff. But sometimes you just 443 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: got to take a step back and just know what 444 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: got you there. And he was able to slow me down. 445 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: He's like, all right, let's just work on this today, 446 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: this day, and if we need to throw in another 447 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: tool during the process, we can do that. And that 448 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: was a great thing. He was a great teacher. He 449 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: was a great teacher. He took his time with you 450 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 3: and he explained everything to you. It wasn't like do this, 451 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 3: do that, Why aren't you doing this? Why? 452 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: He would explain, I want you to do this because 453 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: this guy's doing this too. 454 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: Because and as a player, you always want those answers. 455 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: You don't want to be told what to do. Yeah, 456 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: you want to be told what to do. When you're 457 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 3: doing a drill, I get it. This is how I 458 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: want my drill done. But when you're explaining the game 459 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: and you're explaining your opponent, there's a little bit more 460 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 3: that goes into it. And that's what Paul provided. 461 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 4: And that's it's good too that Paul was. 462 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: He was always here. 463 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 4: So when when the when Denny leaves and then Mike 464 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 4: Tyst takes over, Yeah, just a doubt, totally different locker room, 465 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 4: totally different. 466 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: Every time, my God, tell me about. 467 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: The story behind the story. You did have some characters 468 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: in that locker room. I know you were close with 469 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: the superstar Mike Morris. You had a lot of fun 470 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: with the Jim Cleinsaucer, including on a radio show where 471 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: we got to bleep you guys out pretty much every 472 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: ten seconds. But it was superstar goodness. What talk about 473 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: a character you can book man at Winter Park? What 474 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: was going on? Uh with that with that group? 475 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: Talk about a guy who really helped my career because 476 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: you know, people we were doing those stupid lifts, you know, 477 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 3: with the resistance and stuff like that. Oh yeah, okay, 478 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: so you know I got I got tired of that. 479 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: So I'm like, I can't get any better by this 480 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: resistance stuff. I'm like, I'm I'm used to power clean 481 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: squads bench you know, you know Rocky Let's hit the wait, 482 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: you know. So you know, I just wasn't really happy 483 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 3: with it. So you know, I I had to go 484 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: upstairs and like, we need to change this stuff. And 485 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 3: we were able to change it. You know, not ever 486 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: what was was happy with me, but you know that 487 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: helped us get that transition because when we were doing 488 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 3: that resistance stuff, you know, myself and Matt Burke and 489 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 3: a couple other guys used to go over Mike's house 490 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: right after the lift, and Mike would take us through 491 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: terror workouts. 492 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm talking about good. 493 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: Mornings, dead lifts, squads, we can talk about heavy. We're 494 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: talking about heavy and uh, you know, I never forget 495 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: one time I went over there and uh, I just 496 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 3: hear like people like screaming in his basements. That's where 497 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: his uh his weight room was. Yeah, I'm all there, 498 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: you go. So I hear people screaming. So I walk 499 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 3: in and I see this guy. He's like six', four 500 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 3: probably three, hundred and he's pressing three fifteen over his 501 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: head for like Eight And i'm, like what the you, 502 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 3: Know i'm, like who the hell is this? Guy And mike's, like, 503 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: oh that's Brock. Lesner oh, Man And i'm like where 504 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: did they make this guy? From i'm not really. Sure 505 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: he's putting three fifteen over hiss had like a, gorilla 506 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 3: like it was. Nothing AND i was Like, mike who 507 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 3: was just Sid he's like he's the Next he's the 508 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: next big thing IN. Wwe i'm, Like, god help anybody. Else, 509 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: guy go and get this. 510 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: Guy, man did you crush over when he cried out 511 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: for the? Vikings were you there when that. 512 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: Happened, yeah so he tried out AND i think it 513 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: was more of a public city son to. Signed and uh, 514 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: so you know he. Had we get the training, camp 515 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: and So brock. 516 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: Wants to be my. ROOMMATE i was, like, okay let, 517 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: Me i'll bet my. ROOMMATE i have no big. 518 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: Deal and we get to like two and a half 519 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: weeks in and a lot of the guys come up 520 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: and be, like, hey we're gonna come you, know come 521 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: by and hate your. Boy today said that's not a good. 522 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: Idea i'm, like, no we're gonna come. 523 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: By you, know he's you, know he's got to pay 524 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: his dues and make the. Team i'm, like, guys it's 525 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: not a good. Idea you don't you don't know who 526 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 3: this guy. Is like, whatever we, like we'll be. Over 527 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: i'm like, Okay i'm like. Whatever So i'm in bed and, 528 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 3: UH i hear all the. Guys we're in the. DORMS 529 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: i hear all the guys coming down the hall AND 530 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: i Told brock and My brocker they come next THING i, Know, 531 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 3: Like brock gets, up he only has a thong on 532 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: opens the. Door he's, Like i'll take every one of, 533 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: you like you know bleeds on right. 534 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: Now i've never seen people run so fast in their. 535 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: Life he's, like come, On he's, like he's, Like i'm 536 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: here right. Now take every one of you and they 537 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 3: all ran into the rooms and locked the. 538 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 4: Door one of one of your other, Teammates Kevin, williams 539 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 4: semi finalist uh for The hall Of. Fame uh tell, Us, 540 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 4: uh tell us a little bit About kevin and and 541 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 4: just your experience with him as a. 542 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: Teammate an absolute, monster a guy that was designed to 543 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: play the three technique Like Warren Sapp kevin. Was he 544 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: had great, Size kevi had great, hands great, acceleration smart 545 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: rands of the. BALL i, mean if anybody should be 546 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 3: in The hall Of, fame you, know it should Be Kevin, 547 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 3: WILLIAMS i tell you. Him and especially when he when 548 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 3: he is matched up With patty Gave Kevin moore those 549 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: one on ones And kevin could dominate a. 550 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: GUARD i mean that's just the way it. 551 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: Is he. Was he was so. 552 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: Good he. 553 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: Was he was a great guy, too you, know would 554 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: sit there and talk and he was a country board 555 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 3: from An. Arkansas great. Families actually his brothers are bigger than. Him, 556 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 3: yeah brothers are. GIGANTIC i, KNOW i was, like, wow you, 557 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: know poor. Mom So i'm, like but you, know his 558 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: his family is. AWESOME i, mean you, Know kevin is 559 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: a great. Guy i'm glad he got inducted to The 560 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: ring Of. Honor you, know he deserves everything that he's worked. 561 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: For and you, Know kevin was was a guy that 562 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: actually he would work. Too he wasn't the guy that 563 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: took plays. Off and you, know if we were one 564 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 3: on ones and you, know guys, like, hey then we step, 565 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: Up kevin will step up again. 566 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: An extra one on. 567 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: One SO i have nothing of but praise For kevin 568 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 3: AND I i really truly hope that he gets he 569 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: gets in The hall Of. 570 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: Fame christmas WERE i kind of went things down here 571 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: in the next couple of. Minutes was it hard to kind 572 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: of give up the life in THE? Nfl did you 573 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: kind of know what was your? TIME i, mean obviously 574 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: people would be talking to you about, it and someone 575 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: had to knock you on the shoulder to, say look 576 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: AT i, mean it's it's you spent a lot of 577 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: years in this, League you've earned your. Stripes what was that? 578 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: Transition, Like, YEAH i really hurt my back WHEN i 579 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: was In Saint louis and uh that was the year, 580 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: eleven and so you, KNOW i go down to uh 581 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 3: Doctor James, andrews AND i see their spye. Guy SO 582 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 3: i needed to get, like you, KNOW i need to get, 583 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: surgery but you, KNOW i won't lambing nect to, me 584 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: which are non. Invasive and the, guy you, know we're 585 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: we're in the. Office his name Was Mark, giuvannini and he's, 586 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: like he's, like, Listen he's, like you can fix. You he's, 587 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: like but if you you, know if you, play you keep, 588 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: playing and he's, like you take another. 589 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 2: Hit i'mn'a have to put these in your. 590 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: Back and they were. 591 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: RIOTS i look at my. 592 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: WIFE i, said that's. 593 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: IT i, SAID i, said that's. 594 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: IT i got. BABY i, GO i can't put these 595 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: in my. BODY i, said you, know IF i could 596 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 3: do some sort of invasive AND i can work, out 597 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: keep my core strong and all that kind of, STUFF 598 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 3: i can't put these in my. BACK i. CAN'T i, 599 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: said this is. It she was, like that's, It. Chris she's, 600 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 3: like you, know she's, like you give everything. Ahead and 601 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 3: so it was, easy it was easy for me to 602 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: walk away from that. Standpoint but it. Was it was 603 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 3: hard because you're such in a routine every year of 604 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: going to training camp and this and that and, that 605 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: so you kind of find yourself lost for a little. 606 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: Bit BUT i was able to be around like great, 607 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: people SO i was able just to you, know transition 608 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: to high school, coaching and THEN i was able to 609 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: go to the US saf to, coach and THEN i 610 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: was able to work on The Derrick brooks for the 611 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: Temph Bay. Storm And i've been working high school coaches 612 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: around here somewhere on football and h it's, good you. 613 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: KNOW i, Mean i've been able to be around my 614 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: kids and then watch them grow. 615 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: Up so you, Know i'm really. 616 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: Blest. 617 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 4: Guys you what what advice would you have for a 618 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: high school parent with the young you, know with the 619 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: younger kids that are playing football and you, know it's 620 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 4: a different world now, obviously AND i l and the whole, 621 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 4: thing but you're, there you're in the middle of. It 622 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 4: what uh what would you what advice would you? 623 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: Give, Okay so. 624 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 3: The advice THAT i you, know the ADVICE i give 625 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: the parents, is you, know keep them off their, phones 626 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: keep them off their. iPads you know my, son you, 627 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: KNOW i you, know my. Son he's, twelve so you, 628 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 3: know he's got a phone and iPad. Too but he 629 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 3: goes and he works, out you, know at a. PLACE i, 630 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: said you, know it's tick for. Tech you, know you, 631 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 3: KNOW i believe in motivation and the reward, system And 632 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: i've always believed in being positive with my. Son you, 633 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 3: know he'll come off the fielding like, THAT i had 634 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: a horrible. 635 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: Game i'm, like, no you. 636 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: DIDN'T i, said you did good in this and. THIS i, 637 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: said we need to work on these things so it's 638 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 3: not always putting them down and, say, okay so you're you're. 639 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: HERE i, said it's always, progress not. PERFECTION i, said you, 640 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: know if it was, perfection you shouldn't be playing. ANYMORE i, 641 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: said this gives us a chance to always get. BETTER i, 642 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: go that's how you gotta look at, It, BUD i, 643 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: said remember, good, bad move on. Right he's, like, Yeah, 644 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 3: Dad i'm, like all, right let's get it next. Time 645 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: and then that's what you should. Do just, encourage you, 646 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: know don't point out the, negatives point out what you 647 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: can do to help the negatives be. 648 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: Positives that's a great lesson to end on for, Sure. 649 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: Chris and it's been great catching up with, You Chris. 650 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Holevan thanks for coming on and sharing your school stories 651 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: with us and the fans today and it sounds like 652 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: you're doing great and take care of, yourself my. 653 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: Friend thanks, guys all, right see you Ho. 654 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: Man thanks again To chris for joining the show, today 655 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 4: and thank you fans for tuning into another edition Of Skull. 656 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: Stories be sure to check out all of our content 657 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: via the audio tab on bikings dot. 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